1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,744 --> 00:00:26,064 Speaker 1: is recorded on From Mamma Mia. 4 00:00:26,224 --> 00:00:28,944 Speaker 2: Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 5 00:00:29,344 --> 00:00:31,504 Speaker 1: I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodneck. 6 00:00:31,584 --> 00:00:34,064 Speaker 2: On the show. Today, we are taking a look at 7 00:00:34,064 --> 00:00:37,864 Speaker 2: the Emmy nominations for this year. Some people we were surprised, 8 00:00:37,944 --> 00:00:39,704 Speaker 2: I've been snubbed. We're also going to be looking at 9 00:00:39,704 --> 00:00:42,904 Speaker 2: some new nominees and haven't been nominated before. As well 10 00:00:42,984 --> 00:00:47,344 Speaker 2: as explaining the new phenomenon of Bratt Summer, that is 11 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:50,824 Speaker 2: Charlie XCX's new album. We are diving deep into that. 12 00:00:50,984 --> 00:00:53,784 Speaker 1: But first, but first, we have an update on Rebel 13 00:00:53,784 --> 00:00:56,744 Speaker 1: Wilson's very public legal battle around her new film The 14 00:00:56,824 --> 00:01:00,144 Speaker 1: dem So. That's an Australian musical comedy. It's the first 15 00:01:00,144 --> 00:01:03,144 Speaker 1: time she's directed, and last week a reporter that she 16 00:01:03,184 --> 00:01:06,544 Speaker 1: had put up a very intense Instagram but also potentially 17 00:01:06,624 --> 00:01:07,104 Speaker 1: very valid. 18 00:01:07,144 --> 00:01:09,224 Speaker 2: This is slowly becoming my Roman empire. 19 00:01:09,424 --> 00:01:11,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh go, I'm very invested in the twists and 20 00:01:11,784 --> 00:01:13,864 Speaker 1: turns of this story. So she put up a video 21 00:01:13,944 --> 00:01:17,224 Speaker 1: alleging that the producers of the movie, Amanda Ghost and 22 00:01:17,304 --> 00:01:21,504 Speaker 1: Gregor Cameron and executive producer Vince Holden had blocked the 23 00:01:21,544 --> 00:01:24,904 Speaker 1: movie from premiering at the Toronto Film Festival, which was 24 00:01:24,944 --> 00:01:26,624 Speaker 1: a big deal, and she went on to make a 25 00:01:26,704 --> 00:01:30,704 Speaker 1: number of allegations against the three people, everything from inappropriate 26 00:01:30,744 --> 00:01:34,224 Speaker 1: conduct on set to embezzlement. So that statement went out. 27 00:01:34,424 --> 00:01:36,984 Speaker 1: Then the three producers put out their own statement claiming 28 00:01:37,024 --> 00:01:40,344 Speaker 1: it wasn't true and defending themselves in that situation, and 29 00:01:40,384 --> 00:01:43,944 Speaker 1: they are now suing Rebel Wilson for defamation. So in 30 00:01:43,984 --> 00:01:46,864 Speaker 1: the documents from the lawsuit, the three producers involved in 31 00:01:46,864 --> 00:01:49,544 Speaker 1: the film say that Rebel's goal in several disputes was 32 00:01:49,584 --> 00:01:51,384 Speaker 1: to get credit for work she did not do and 33 00:01:51,424 --> 00:01:54,864 Speaker 1: to overshadow young up and coming artists who truly deserve 34 00:01:54,944 --> 00:01:58,584 Speaker 1: the credit. So basically they're saying that in the legal documents, 35 00:01:58,624 --> 00:02:00,984 Speaker 1: it's something to do with the fact that they're alleging 36 00:02:00,984 --> 00:02:03,144 Speaker 1: that she wanted a co writing credit and she wanted 37 00:02:03,144 --> 00:02:05,864 Speaker 1: the rights the movie. She's making different allegations. That's all 38 00:02:05,904 --> 00:02:08,624 Speaker 1: going through court at the moment. Both sides are saying 39 00:02:08,624 --> 00:02:11,264 Speaker 1: different things. We obviously don't know what happened, but a 40 00:02:11,344 --> 00:02:13,384 Speaker 1: number of people who worked on the film from the 41 00:02:13,464 --> 00:02:16,064 Speaker 1: crew and cast have been standing up for Rebel Wilson 42 00:02:16,344 --> 00:02:18,744 Speaker 1: and then after it came out that they were suing 43 00:02:18,784 --> 00:02:22,104 Speaker 1: her for defamation, Toronto Film Festival confirmed that the film 44 00:02:22,104 --> 00:02:25,104 Speaker 1: would be the closing night of the festival. So totally was. 45 00:02:25,144 --> 00:02:26,264 Speaker 2: Like, I'm making this money. 46 00:02:26,504 --> 00:02:28,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I guess that's good because there's a huge 47 00:02:28,464 --> 00:02:30,944 Speaker 1: astraining cast, a lot of new people or like comedians 48 00:02:30,944 --> 00:02:34,024 Speaker 1: Steph Tisdell, who I absolutely love in the movie. So 49 00:02:34,064 --> 00:02:35,544 Speaker 1: it's nice to know that their movie is going to 50 00:02:35,584 --> 00:02:37,944 Speaker 1: be seen this huge film festival and will keep you 51 00:02:37,984 --> 00:02:40,344 Speaker 1: posted what happens with this defamation case. 52 00:02:40,504 --> 00:02:42,224 Speaker 2: Like we said, I feel like this is the best 53 00:02:42,224 --> 00:02:51,224 Speaker 2: type of promo for any film. 54 00:02:51,344 --> 00:02:53,664 Speaker 1: So in the early hours of this morning in Australia, 55 00:02:53,864 --> 00:02:55,864 Speaker 1: the Emmy nominations were announced. 56 00:02:55,944 --> 00:02:58,104 Speaker 2: I feel like it's happened so fast, like we just 57 00:02:58,144 --> 00:02:59,944 Speaker 2: had the Emmys and now it's well. 58 00:03:00,024 --> 00:03:02,784 Speaker 1: I think because there's been changes because of many various 59 00:03:02,824 --> 00:03:04,624 Speaker 1: issues over the years have changed. 60 00:03:04,624 --> 00:03:07,584 Speaker 2: There was like a lot of years put together into one. 61 00:03:07,664 --> 00:03:09,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they had to move it over for we 62 00:03:09,304 --> 00:03:12,304 Speaker 1: won't get into that guys. So that's a whole long situation. 63 00:03:12,824 --> 00:03:15,264 Speaker 1: So there are two shows who are leading the Emmy's 64 00:03:15,344 --> 00:03:18,704 Speaker 1: nominations race this year. One is Shogun, who has twenty 65 00:03:18,704 --> 00:03:22,504 Speaker 1: five nominations. That's the most out of any series across 66 00:03:22,504 --> 00:03:24,304 Speaker 1: the board. If anyone hasn't watched that show, it's the 67 00:03:24,464 --> 00:03:27,664 Speaker 1: historical Japanese epic which you can watch on Disney Plus 68 00:03:27,824 --> 00:03:28,704 Speaker 1: now in Australia. 69 00:03:28,824 --> 00:03:30,664 Speaker 2: I need to watch that. I feel like whenever the 70 00:03:30,704 --> 00:03:33,184 Speaker 2: award shows come up, it just tells me what to watch. 71 00:03:33,384 --> 00:03:36,504 Speaker 1: Yes, that is the best takeaway from it. So they 72 00:03:36,504 --> 00:03:39,184 Speaker 1: have twenty five nominations, and then The Bear has come 73 00:03:39,184 --> 00:03:42,544 Speaker 1: in second with twenty three nominations. Obviously, the Bear was 74 00:03:42,584 --> 00:03:45,304 Speaker 1: the big winner the last few Awards season circuits, it's 75 00:03:45,504 --> 00:03:47,184 Speaker 1: they're probably going to take out quite a few awards 76 00:03:47,184 --> 00:03:50,384 Speaker 1: this year. Once again, that old controversy that goes around 77 00:03:50,424 --> 00:03:52,944 Speaker 1: every time with the Bear is that to everyone else 78 00:03:52,984 --> 00:03:55,504 Speaker 1: in the world who watches that show, it's clearly a drama, 79 00:03:55,784 --> 00:03:58,744 Speaker 1: Yet it is always in the comedy categories, and again 80 00:03:58,784 --> 00:04:01,304 Speaker 1: this year it's in the comedy category, which is making 81 00:04:01,304 --> 00:04:03,784 Speaker 1: me angry because Hacks is also in there along with 82 00:04:03,824 --> 00:04:07,424 Speaker 1: some other amazing shows Abbott Elementary that we love. Only 83 00:04:07,504 --> 00:04:11,864 Speaker 1: murders in the building. Yeahmy Kirby Enthusiasm, all these shows, 84 00:04:12,824 --> 00:04:17,024 Speaker 1: oh no, you're gonna say handle this, but mostly Hacks, 85 00:04:17,024 --> 00:04:19,064 Speaker 1: which I definitely feel is the best comedy on TV 86 00:04:19,464 --> 00:04:21,344 Speaker 1: at the moment, and it feels like the Bear is 87 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:22,144 Speaker 1: just gonna knock it out. 88 00:04:22,264 --> 00:04:22,744 Speaker 2: That's all the. 89 00:04:22,784 --> 00:04:23,544 Speaker 1: Lighting is that. 90 00:04:23,624 --> 00:04:26,904 Speaker 2: I love award shows when you know the competition is 91 00:04:26,944 --> 00:04:29,984 Speaker 2: so high, and yes, everything that's been nominated is worthy 92 00:04:29,984 --> 00:04:30,624 Speaker 2: of a nomination. 93 00:04:30,744 --> 00:04:32,824 Speaker 1: That is when it's fun, when it's unexpected. I would 94 00:04:32,864 --> 00:04:34,464 Speaker 1: just like everyone to be in the correct category. But 95 00:04:34,504 --> 00:04:36,344 Speaker 1: that's okay. Best Drama series and. 96 00:04:36,304 --> 00:04:38,824 Speaker 2: You don't find like intergenerational trauma funny. 97 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:41,264 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not really laughing during the Bear at all. 98 00:04:41,624 --> 00:04:44,664 Speaker 1: Best Drama Series is where the action has really heated up, 99 00:04:44,704 --> 00:04:47,264 Speaker 1: because that's kind of the very coveted award the Crowns 100 00:04:47,264 --> 00:04:49,264 Speaker 1: in there. I don't think they're going to do that well. 101 00:04:49,584 --> 00:04:52,464 Speaker 1: The Gilded Age was a nice little moment in their fallout. 102 00:04:52,624 --> 00:04:56,344 Speaker 1: It's very often that a post apocalyptic show very kind 103 00:04:56,384 --> 00:04:59,704 Speaker 1: of yeah, gets put into these awards categories. So that's exciting. 104 00:04:59,824 --> 00:05:02,064 Speaker 1: Mister and missus Smith has got a whole bunch of awards. 105 00:05:02,184 --> 00:05:04,064 Speaker 2: If they win, oh my god. 106 00:05:04,224 --> 00:05:06,504 Speaker 1: They might win something they've got a lot of nominations, 107 00:05:06,504 --> 00:05:09,344 Speaker 1: Three Body Problem, the Morning shows in there. One of 108 00:05:09,384 --> 00:05:12,424 Speaker 1: the most interesting things about an Awards nomination day is 109 00:05:12,424 --> 00:05:14,544 Speaker 1: going through who was left out, which I sometimes think 110 00:05:14,624 --> 00:05:17,384 Speaker 1: is even more interesting than who was nominated because there's 111 00:05:17,384 --> 00:05:18,864 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the race this year. Obviously 112 00:05:18,904 --> 00:05:21,304 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people now who move between film 113 00:05:21,304 --> 00:05:23,944 Speaker 1: and TV, which has skewered everything a little bit. But 114 00:05:24,064 --> 00:05:26,544 Speaker 1: there were a few really big names who were left out. 115 00:05:26,864 --> 00:05:29,544 Speaker 1: One is Emma Stone for The Curse, so that was 116 00:05:29,544 --> 00:05:31,504 Speaker 1: a bit of a wild show, but it gotten a 117 00:05:31,504 --> 00:05:33,624 Speaker 1: lot of interest, a lot of critical acclaim and also 118 00:05:33,704 --> 00:05:36,424 Speaker 1: Emma Stone, you know, coming fresh off winning an Oscar 119 00:05:36,624 --> 00:05:39,704 Speaker 1: and being so favored for her performance, really interesting that 120 00:05:39,784 --> 00:05:40,624 Speaker 1: she was left off. 121 00:05:40,664 --> 00:05:42,744 Speaker 2: I've never watched The Curse, but maybe she did a 122 00:05:42,824 --> 00:05:44,824 Speaker 2: Catherine Heigel where she didn't think the writing was good 123 00:05:44,904 --> 00:05:45,904 Speaker 2: enough it didn't nominate hers that. 124 00:05:46,104 --> 00:05:47,384 Speaker 1: I think she was a producer on the show, so 125 00:05:47,464 --> 00:05:49,904 Speaker 1: potentially not, but I love I love the rumor that 126 00:05:49,944 --> 00:05:53,384 Speaker 1: you're starting. Kate Winslet also left out. One was interesting 127 00:05:53,424 --> 00:05:56,784 Speaker 1: was Kelsey Grammar because he was a huge winner. I 128 00:05:56,784 --> 00:05:59,144 Speaker 1: think he's won something like six Emmys for Fraser and 129 00:05:59,144 --> 00:06:01,624 Speaker 1: then Fraser came back and it was just completely shut out. 130 00:06:01,664 --> 00:06:03,824 Speaker 1: So sometimes you can't go back, I think is what 131 00:06:03,864 --> 00:06:07,104 Speaker 1: we're looking for there, But yeah, you can't go back. Yeah, 132 00:06:07,304 --> 00:06:09,464 Speaker 1: so I believe it there. Yeah, it's kind of interesting 133 00:06:09,544 --> 00:06:11,544 Speaker 1: to be on a show that in its original one 134 00:06:11,824 --> 00:06:14,624 Speaker 1: was kind of like won every Emmy available, and then 135 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:16,544 Speaker 1: to bring it back and to have it not be 136 00:06:16,624 --> 00:06:19,904 Speaker 1: really nominated for any of the major awards is yeah, very. 137 00:06:19,744 --> 00:06:22,384 Speaker 2: Interesting, Kelsey Grammar because he would have felt like when 138 00:06:22,384 --> 00:06:24,704 Speaker 2: he first won all the Emmys for Frasier that that 139 00:06:24,824 --> 00:06:27,064 Speaker 2: was very much his era. Yeah, and now he's trying 140 00:06:27,064 --> 00:06:29,544 Speaker 2: to like step into a different era and trying to 141 00:06:29,584 --> 00:06:31,864 Speaker 2: be competitive with this whole new bunch of people. 142 00:06:31,664 --> 00:06:34,664 Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, saying voters, but they're kind of looking at 143 00:06:34,704 --> 00:06:36,224 Speaker 1: different things. And also, I guess you only had the 144 00:06:36,264 --> 00:06:38,344 Speaker 1: couple of shows that were on network TV at the time. 145 00:06:38,424 --> 00:06:40,664 Speaker 1: Now I've got all the streamers and the competition is 146 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:43,664 Speaker 1: just so much more fierce. One huge snub that really 147 00:06:43,744 --> 00:06:47,064 Speaker 1: hit me hard was Girls five ever, because they finally 148 00:06:47,064 --> 00:06:49,744 Speaker 1: moved on to Netflix, they got their new season. It 149 00:06:49,784 --> 00:06:52,824 Speaker 1: was a whole huge thing. It's been consistently called one 150 00:06:52,824 --> 00:06:55,104 Speaker 1: of the best comedies on TV for this new season, 151 00:06:55,264 --> 00:06:57,144 Speaker 1: like every critic has put on the top of their list. 152 00:06:57,384 --> 00:07:00,624 Speaker 1: Every time outlets like Entertainment Weekly, Variety, all those kind 153 00:07:00,624 --> 00:07:03,784 Speaker 1: of industry outlets talk about the best seasons of comedy 154 00:07:03,824 --> 00:07:06,424 Speaker 1: to see, they always say Girls five Ever and particularly 155 00:07:06,424 --> 00:07:08,064 Speaker 1: the cast. And I know they were doing a bit 156 00:07:08,064 --> 00:07:09,824 Speaker 1: of a campaign for Girls five Ever to get some 157 00:07:09,864 --> 00:07:12,384 Speaker 1: nomination to the cast or the writing or something. And 158 00:07:12,424 --> 00:07:15,944 Speaker 1: so the fact that it wasn't nominated in any categories nominated. 159 00:07:15,504 --> 00:07:16,944 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe because it's all women. 160 00:07:17,424 --> 00:07:20,344 Speaker 1: Well maybe, I mean people didn't really women. There's lots 161 00:07:20,344 --> 00:07:22,704 Speaker 1: of shows in this list that people haven't watched as much, 162 00:07:22,744 --> 00:07:25,184 Speaker 1: so it's not a ratings meant to be about ratings. 163 00:07:25,224 --> 00:07:26,584 Speaker 1: But anyway, that was a bit sad. Well. 164 00:07:26,624 --> 00:07:29,464 Speaker 2: I found really interesting about the nominations as seeing who 165 00:07:29,584 --> 00:07:33,904 Speaker 2: were the first time nominated. Ryan Gosling first time Emmy 166 00:07:33,984 --> 00:07:35,464 Speaker 2: nomination for SNL. 167 00:07:35,984 --> 00:07:38,784 Speaker 1: All right, I guess he never does TV's TV and 168 00:07:38,824 --> 00:07:39,904 Speaker 1: Emmy's only TV. 169 00:07:40,384 --> 00:07:42,344 Speaker 2: Like you see these big actors like Ryan Gosling and 170 00:07:42,344 --> 00:07:43,744 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, he's got all these If. 171 00:07:43,704 --> 00:07:45,304 Speaker 1: He turns off and walks through a carpet for his 172 00:07:45,464 --> 00:07:46,784 Speaker 1: SNL performance. 173 00:07:47,304 --> 00:07:50,784 Speaker 2: If he does another like Barbie Performance First Stage, Dakota 174 00:07:50,784 --> 00:07:55,344 Speaker 2: Fanning first nominee for Ripley, Jonathan Bailey for Fellow Travelers. 175 00:07:55,344 --> 00:07:58,384 Speaker 1: Oh, that show is. If anyone hasn't watched Fellow Travelers 176 00:07:58,464 --> 00:08:02,024 Speaker 1: on Paramount plus Matt Bomber, Yeah, yeah, it's so good. 177 00:08:02,144 --> 00:08:04,904 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Yeah, And we love Jonathan Bailey obviously. 178 00:08:04,984 --> 00:08:07,264 Speaker 2: Yes, Selena Gomer only murdered. 179 00:08:07,344 --> 00:08:08,224 Speaker 1: That's exciting for her. 180 00:08:08,224 --> 00:08:10,224 Speaker 2: I thought she would have been nominated for which is 181 00:08:10,384 --> 00:08:12,424 Speaker 2: Waverley Places not just for me? 182 00:08:12,544 --> 00:08:13,184 Speaker 1: Apparently not. 183 00:08:13,424 --> 00:08:16,824 Speaker 2: And Lily Gladstone for Under the Bridge. These are like 184 00:08:17,024 --> 00:08:19,664 Speaker 2: all people that I'm like so surprised because in my head, 185 00:08:19,704 --> 00:08:20,704 Speaker 2: I'm like, you've already gone to one. 186 00:08:20,744 --> 00:08:22,584 Speaker 1: Well, I guess with Alle Gladstone, like it feels like 187 00:08:22,584 --> 00:08:25,184 Speaker 1: she's been around forever because after Killers of the Flower 188 00:08:25,184 --> 00:08:27,424 Speaker 1: Moon and her Oscar buzz around that, but like she 189 00:08:27,544 --> 00:08:29,224 Speaker 1: was about to give up acting before she got the 190 00:08:29,264 --> 00:08:31,224 Speaker 1: call to be in that movie, so she hasn't really 191 00:08:31,264 --> 00:08:33,384 Speaker 1: got a long history of film and TV behind her. 192 00:08:33,384 --> 00:08:34,984 Speaker 1: We're just like at the beginning of her career, which 193 00:08:35,024 --> 00:08:37,304 Speaker 1: is very exciting. And I was a bit sad at 194 00:08:37,384 --> 00:08:39,824 Speaker 1: Riley Keo for that same show. Didn't get nominated, and 195 00:08:40,024 --> 00:08:41,624 Speaker 1: in fact that Under the Bridge didn't really get a 196 00:08:41,624 --> 00:08:43,904 Speaker 1: lot of nominations. I guess the critics were quite split, 197 00:08:43,944 --> 00:08:45,824 Speaker 1: but I thought if anyone was getting a nomination from 198 00:08:45,824 --> 00:08:46,824 Speaker 1: that show, it should have been her. 199 00:08:46,944 --> 00:08:50,184 Speaker 2: Also, Asia Naomi King has been nominated for her first 200 00:08:50,184 --> 00:08:53,624 Speaker 2: time Emmy for Lessons in Chemistry. Yes, and I loved 201 00:08:53,664 --> 00:08:55,904 Speaker 2: her in How to Get Away with Murder. I thought 202 00:08:55,904 --> 00:08:57,904 Speaker 2: she was brilliant in that, so I'm so happy to 203 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:01,384 Speaker 2: see her get nominated. We've got an article with all 204 00:09:01,384 --> 00:09:03,384 Speaker 2: of the nominations. I also want to point out that 205 00:09:03,744 --> 00:09:06,504 Speaker 2: this year feels the most diverse it's ever been in 206 00:09:06,584 --> 00:09:09,544 Speaker 2: terms of like queer representation and people of color representation. 207 00:09:09,624 --> 00:09:11,944 Speaker 2: I'm so excited for the actual awards. We will link 208 00:09:11,984 --> 00:09:14,184 Speaker 2: that in our show notes. After the break, we are 209 00:09:14,184 --> 00:09:16,784 Speaker 2: going to be talking about the resurgence of pop music, 210 00:09:16,824 --> 00:09:20,544 Speaker 2: which stars like Charlie XC, Sabrina Carpenter, and Chapel Roane. 211 00:09:20,584 --> 00:09:30,704 Speaker 2: They are dominating pop culture right now. Lanai have got 212 00:09:30,704 --> 00:09:31,864 Speaker 2: some news to you, Laura Running. 213 00:09:31,984 --> 00:09:32,824 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, what is it. 214 00:09:32,904 --> 00:09:35,664 Speaker 2: We are currently in the middle of Brat summer. 215 00:09:36,104 --> 00:09:38,104 Speaker 1: I mean we're not physically right now, because we're in 216 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:38,744 Speaker 1: Sydney winter. 217 00:09:38,944 --> 00:09:41,184 Speaker 2: It's in winter, but you know, we follow the US 218 00:09:41,824 --> 00:09:42,304 Speaker 2: we die. 219 00:09:42,504 --> 00:09:44,784 Speaker 1: I'm just picturing you being like Brat summer outside in 220 00:09:44,784 --> 00:09:49,344 Speaker 1: like the torrential crazy rain Brat summer and this horrifically 221 00:09:49,344 --> 00:09:51,384 Speaker 1: cold weather Sydney has been having. That's cute for you. 222 00:09:51,824 --> 00:09:52,464 Speaker 1: So if you. 223 00:09:52,424 --> 00:09:54,344 Speaker 2: Don't know what Brat summer is, don't worry. I'm going 224 00:09:54,344 --> 00:09:56,784 Speaker 2: to walk you through it. But it's basically following I 225 00:09:56,784 --> 00:10:00,824 Speaker 2: guess the resurgence of the it girl. I feel like 226 00:10:00,824 --> 00:10:03,584 Speaker 2: this happened when TikTok kind of really took off during COVID. 227 00:10:03,664 --> 00:10:05,704 Speaker 2: But if you remember, twenty twenty one was kind of 228 00:10:05,704 --> 00:10:09,944 Speaker 2: the era of a hot girl summer where every woman 229 00:10:10,064 --> 00:10:12,744 Speaker 2: was like, it's time to be like proud of our 230 00:10:12,784 --> 00:10:15,064 Speaker 2: bodies and the way we look. Everyone's a hot girl, 231 00:10:15,064 --> 00:10:17,464 Speaker 2: hot girl summer. It was very like Paris Hilton. And 232 00:10:17,504 --> 00:10:19,624 Speaker 2: then we had like kind of the clean girl aesthetic, 233 00:10:19,864 --> 00:10:22,224 Speaker 2: like the slick back bun and the lip and the 234 00:10:22,224 --> 00:10:25,784 Speaker 2: gold jewelry. And now we're in Brat's summer. So Brat Summer, 235 00:10:25,824 --> 00:10:27,984 Speaker 2: I would say, it's kind of the opposite of the 236 00:10:28,024 --> 00:10:32,624 Speaker 2: clean girl aesthetic. It's very like similar to rat girl. 237 00:10:34,664 --> 00:10:38,904 Speaker 2: It's very like no bra like drinking red wine, spilling 238 00:10:38,904 --> 00:10:41,704 Speaker 2: it all over the place, being a bit digity Friday night, 239 00:10:42,864 --> 00:10:45,064 Speaker 2: just like the girls. It's just one for the girls. 240 00:10:45,544 --> 00:10:49,184 Speaker 2: And Charlie XCX really took this off, so she released 241 00:10:49,184 --> 00:10:52,184 Speaker 2: an album called Brat. You would have definitely seen it everywhere. 242 00:10:52,464 --> 00:10:54,824 Speaker 2: I have black writing that just says brat, very low, 243 00:10:54,864 --> 00:10:57,104 Speaker 2: fight looks like a screenshot of a screenshot of a screenshot, 244 00:10:57,344 --> 00:11:00,744 Speaker 2: and the background is what she calls slime green and the. 245 00:11:00,704 --> 00:11:02,824 Speaker 1: Color of the season, the color of the season. 246 00:11:03,264 --> 00:11:07,504 Speaker 2: And that album became just viral in itself, like regardless 247 00:11:07,544 --> 00:11:09,944 Speaker 2: of the music in the album. It hit number two 248 00:11:10,024 --> 00:11:12,384 Speaker 2: in the year UK, hit number three in both Australia 249 00:11:12,424 --> 00:11:16,104 Speaker 2: and the US, and immediately her song three sixty went 250 00:11:16,224 --> 00:11:23,024 Speaker 2: viral across TikTok yeah, and that's when everyone started coining 251 00:11:23,024 --> 00:11:26,624 Speaker 2: the term brat summer. She then jumped onto that term 252 00:11:26,664 --> 00:11:30,184 Speaker 2: with the music video of three sixty. She had many 253 00:11:30,184 --> 00:11:33,944 Speaker 2: actresses and influences in it like Chloe seven Year, Emma Chamberlain, 254 00:11:34,104 --> 00:11:38,144 Speaker 2: Julia Fox, Gabriette and Rachel Senet. It is so good 255 00:11:38,184 --> 00:11:40,744 Speaker 2: and so funny. In the music video, they're first like 256 00:11:40,784 --> 00:11:43,264 Speaker 2: sitting around the table and their job is to fill 257 00:11:43,304 --> 00:11:46,664 Speaker 2: the prophecy of finding a new hot internet girl before 258 00:11:46,664 --> 00:11:48,784 Speaker 2: they land on the waitress who's serving them and they're like, 259 00:11:48,784 --> 00:11:51,504 Speaker 2: it's her, and then she goes into the music. So 260 00:11:52,224 --> 00:11:55,904 Speaker 2: for me, when I listened to the album Brat, with 261 00:11:56,024 --> 00:11:58,944 Speaker 2: all the commentary happening around it, I was really expecting 262 00:11:59,064 --> 00:12:04,944 Speaker 2: something so different. I was expecting something like challenging, experimental, 263 00:12:05,064 --> 00:12:07,064 Speaker 2: something we haven't heard before, because I feel like that's 264 00:12:07,064 --> 00:12:09,224 Speaker 2: what we are kind of leaning into Now's the society, 265 00:12:09,264 --> 00:12:12,744 Speaker 2: especially with Taylor Swift, We're always like dissecting lyrics, We're 266 00:12:12,744 --> 00:12:14,704 Speaker 2: trying to find songs that have a meaning to us. 267 00:12:15,144 --> 00:12:18,064 Speaker 2: This album is not like that. It's like everything I've 268 00:12:18,064 --> 00:12:20,824 Speaker 2: heard before. It's just really fun. It's just like a 269 00:12:20,864 --> 00:12:24,584 Speaker 2: really fun pop album. And I think what the album 270 00:12:24,664 --> 00:12:27,264 Speaker 2: is now doing is like showing women that they don't 271 00:12:27,304 --> 00:12:29,984 Speaker 2: always have to like have a reason for liking something. 272 00:12:30,024 --> 00:12:32,184 Speaker 2: You can just like something for the fun of it. 273 00:12:32,544 --> 00:12:35,984 Speaker 2: I saw a piece in The Guardian where Jennalis Zoe 274 00:12:35,984 --> 00:12:38,584 Speaker 2: Williams interviewed her sixteen year old step daughter and they 275 00:12:38,584 --> 00:12:41,904 Speaker 2: were kind of talking about the idea of pop recession 276 00:12:42,304 --> 00:12:44,744 Speaker 2: and how if you think of like big party songs 277 00:12:44,864 --> 00:12:47,184 Speaker 2: they always like, well, we released around two thousand and eight, 278 00:12:47,184 --> 00:12:49,184 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, and they made this connection on 279 00:12:49,664 --> 00:12:51,904 Speaker 2: when like the economy is down, people just want to 280 00:12:51,944 --> 00:12:54,104 Speaker 2: party and have fun and not having to think too 281 00:12:54,144 --> 00:12:56,344 Speaker 2: much about enjoying things. I just want to enjoy them. 282 00:12:56,864 --> 00:12:59,264 Speaker 2: And it feels like that's what's happening right now with 283 00:12:59,344 --> 00:13:03,264 Speaker 2: pop culture with like Sabrina Carpenter, Chapel Rowe and Charlie XCX. 284 00:13:03,544 --> 00:13:06,104 Speaker 2: These songs are like songs that are so similar to 285 00:13:06,104 --> 00:13:08,264 Speaker 2: pop songs we've heard in the past, like with leaning 286 00:13:08,264 --> 00:13:11,824 Speaker 2: into auto tune and leaning into like repetitive choruses, and 287 00:13:11,984 --> 00:13:14,864 Speaker 2: it's just still so much fun. And it's like these 288 00:13:14,904 --> 00:13:17,904 Speaker 2: women are creating not just like great music for everyone 289 00:13:17,944 --> 00:13:20,224 Speaker 2: to lave, but a full culture around them as well. 290 00:13:20,584 --> 00:13:22,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would totally agree with that. We always say 291 00:13:22,464 --> 00:13:24,384 Speaker 1: that the worst times in history is when the best 292 00:13:24,504 --> 00:13:27,224 Speaker 1: art is created. I think that's maybe going back to like, 293 00:13:27,304 --> 00:13:29,584 Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of years ago, not right now with 294 00:13:29,744 --> 00:13:33,864 Speaker 1: like Bratt, but you know, it still stands imagine. I 295 00:13:33,904 --> 00:13:35,384 Speaker 1: think it's for people who were like in the depths 296 00:13:35,384 --> 00:13:37,144 Speaker 1: of war and like painting and stuff. And there's also 297 00:13:37,224 --> 00:13:40,224 Speaker 1: Charlie XCX you know, just out there with Bratt Girls summer. 298 00:13:40,264 --> 00:13:42,544 Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting in terms of, like 299 00:13:42,624 --> 00:13:44,984 Speaker 1: there was so much hype around Taylor swifts new album, 300 00:13:44,984 --> 00:13:47,384 Speaker 1: and when that came out, people were, you know, getting 301 00:13:47,384 --> 00:13:49,904 Speaker 1: into like the sad songs and the complexity and basically 302 00:13:49,984 --> 00:13:52,144 Speaker 1: everyone was mostly looking for like which boys that she'd 303 00:13:52,224 --> 00:13:54,344 Speaker 1: named but she dated and that sort of stuff. But 304 00:13:54,384 --> 00:13:57,384 Speaker 1: there wasn't sort of like a frothy, feel good song 305 00:13:57,464 --> 00:14:00,184 Speaker 1: that people usually want from big pop releases, which is whine, 306 00:14:00,184 --> 00:14:02,024 Speaker 1: because her album was meant to be something else. So 307 00:14:02,064 --> 00:14:04,184 Speaker 1: I think that passed and everyone was like okay, like 308 00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:06,984 Speaker 1: looking for something. And I think that's why Chapel and 309 00:14:07,144 --> 00:14:09,344 Speaker 1: Charlie xx have kind of blown up in this way, 310 00:14:09,504 --> 00:14:11,504 Speaker 1: even though they've been a for such a long time. 311 00:14:11,904 --> 00:14:14,464 Speaker 1: It's like they just tapped into the right sound at 312 00:14:14,504 --> 00:14:16,504 Speaker 1: the right moment. But I also think with Charlie Xx, 313 00:14:16,584 --> 00:14:19,344 Speaker 1: like her role out was super interesting in terms of 314 00:14:19,384 --> 00:14:21,864 Speaker 1: like she wasn't just doing like the late night talk 315 00:14:21,904 --> 00:14:24,304 Speaker 1: show circuit or anything like that. It was more a 316 00:14:24,344 --> 00:14:27,024 Speaker 1: gorilla marketing, like she'd say to her fans like meet 317 00:14:27,024 --> 00:14:28,464 Speaker 1: me at this time, or like there's some sort of 318 00:14:28,464 --> 00:14:30,744 Speaker 1: secret code where you can go and and she did 319 00:14:30,784 --> 00:14:32,584 Speaker 1: like a pop up show and like a green. 320 00:14:33,624 --> 00:14:36,064 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like having like we talked about Addison Ray 321 00:14:36,304 --> 00:14:38,464 Speaker 2: like on the album and like her like she's just 322 00:14:38,504 --> 00:14:40,944 Speaker 2: like on TikTok, like doing her own marketing like Kim Kardashian. 323 00:14:41,104 --> 00:14:41,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 324 00:14:42,344 --> 00:14:44,664 Speaker 2: And it also just reminded me of like when we 325 00:14:44,664 --> 00:14:47,584 Speaker 2: were talking about Katy Perry and her new song and 326 00:14:47,664 --> 00:14:50,464 Speaker 2: how you can go into the song and dissect everything 327 00:14:50,464 --> 00:14:52,464 Speaker 2: that's wrong with it and like end up hating the song, 328 00:14:52,744 --> 00:14:54,424 Speaker 2: or you can just listen to it as a song, 329 00:14:54,504 --> 00:14:56,344 Speaker 2: like in a car and just really enjoy yourself. 330 00:14:56,344 --> 00:14:57,904 Speaker 1: Because, as we've always said, the more we listened to 331 00:14:57,984 --> 00:15:00,224 Speaker 1: Katie Perry's song, the more we liked it. We had 332 00:15:00,224 --> 00:15:01,704 Speaker 1: to play it in the studio as we were kind 333 00:15:01,744 --> 00:15:03,584 Speaker 1: of talking to it and we were both bopping along. 334 00:15:03,664 --> 00:15:06,144 Speaker 2: It's a good song song, So just let women enjoy 335 00:15:06,184 --> 00:15:08,904 Speaker 2: good things exactly. Thank you so much for listening to 336 00:15:08,904 --> 00:15:11,664 Speaker 2: The Spill today. If you love listening to us, I've 337 00:15:11,664 --> 00:15:14,144 Speaker 2: got a little insight for you. If you listen to 338 00:15:14,224 --> 00:15:16,584 Speaker 2: us on either Spotify or Apple or your podcast app, 339 00:15:16,704 --> 00:15:19,464 Speaker 2: you can actually follow the podcast. We know that a 340 00:15:19,504 --> 00:15:20,944 Speaker 2: lot of you guys listen to us. 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