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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Sees the YA Podcast. Busy and happy
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what
Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but
Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and
Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives They adore,
Speaker 1: the good, bad and ugly. The best and worst days
Speaker 1: will bear all the facets of seizing your YEA. I'm
Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 1: funentrepreneurs wapped the suits and heels to co found mattro
Speaker 1: Maidan and Matt Milk. Bar Cza is a series of
Speaker 1: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the
Speaker 1: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys experience this the same way
Speaker 1: I do, but I walk away from some episodes wanting
Speaker 1: to make lifelong friends with our guests, just to spend
Speaker 1: more time around their energy and ideas. Morgan Mitchell is
Speaker 1: absolutely one of those people who is both everything you'd
Speaker 1: expect of an Olympic athlete and nothing you'd expect of
Speaker 1: an Olympic athlete, all at the same time. Once you
Speaker 1: hear Morgan's incredible self awareness, determination and long time passion
Speaker 1: for sport, her success on the track makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: With a string of accolades under her belt starting from
Speaker 1: the tender age of six. Two decades later, at just
Speaker 1: twenty six years old, she is now preparing for her
Speaker 1: second Olympics in Tokyo, taking on a completely new focus,
Speaker 1: swapping from the four hundred meters to the eight hundred meters, which,
Speaker 1: as you'll hear, is nowhere near as similar as you
Speaker 1: might expect. What might surprise you, however, is her refreshingly
Speaker 1: balanced approach to running, which makes up but one part
Speaker 1: of her identity and goals in life. In fact, it's
Speaker 1: her commitment to maintaining interests and a busy schedule off
Speaker 1: the track that she credits for her success on it,
Speaker 1: encouraging all of us to remember that life is more
Speaker 1: than just your career. So you'll hear about her journey
Speaker 1: to the Rio Olympics in twenty sixteen, but you'll hear
Speaker 1: more about it's after party as well as that time
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil slid into her DMS, the James Cameron movie
Speaker 1: she featured in alongside Arnold Schwarzenegger, the other forms of
Speaker 1: training she does, including becoming an F forty five ambassador
Speaker 1: and their first Olympic athlete, and everything in between. I
Speaker 1: still don't really believe she's only twenty six with such
Speaker 1: a wise and solid head on her shoulders. I hope
Speaker 1: you guys have as much of a laugh as I did.
Speaker 1: Morgan Mitchell, welcome to Seize the AA.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you just came from training what legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the schedule appears pretty full up
Speaker 2: in the GC for a training camp, so I had
Speaker 2: to rush home straight out of the gym.
Speaker 3: But I'm here now, so I love that.
Speaker 1: You were like, I'm sorry, It's like, do I look
Speaker 1: fair all? I mean, I'm like, mate, I'm back five
Speaker 1: days deep in lockdown. Like you're talking to the ultimate
Speaker 1: swamp creature right now? Is totally fine. I put makeup
Speaker 1: on for you. I was like, this is a famous Olympian,
Speaker 1: you know, like you need to get out the goods.
Speaker 3: Well, I should have tried a little harder.
Speaker 1: No, you look amazing and you have an actual excuse.
Speaker 1: I've been doing no things this morning. So well, before
Speaker 1: we kick off, I start every episode by asking the
Speaker 1: guest what the most down to worth thing is about them,
Speaker 1: to kind of break through that often glossy surface that
Speaker 1: sometimes we get when guests are as well known as you,
Speaker 1: and for someone who's not only a hugely successful as
Speaker 1: the Olympian has started in a James Cameron film alongside
Speaker 1: Arnold Schwarzenegger, and mind you who has had Shaquille O'Neill
Speaker 1: slide into her DM before, we need some relatable material
Speaker 1: so you know, what's something relatable about you?
Speaker 3: Relatable? I tell you.
Speaker 2: I was asking my training partners in the car. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is the first question. I'm a
Speaker 2: bit nervous. And they both said, and I've heard it
Speaker 2: quite a lot, is that I'm actually really selfless and generous.
Speaker 1: That's a love Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then I was reflecting, I'm like, ahow, maybe
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit too selfful.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that would probably be the number one thing.
Speaker 2: And honestly, like I get that there's all that started
Speaker 2: or whatever of being an athlete, being on TV, but
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I'm just I think
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at just being down to earth and
Speaker 2: being myself because I have a very honest family.
Speaker 3: So I think it all just SEMs from that.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's such a nice one I had
Speaker 1: on my list, like if you were struggling, you know
Speaker 1: you like to get drunk naked. I used to be
Speaker 1: a lawyer, so I researched, like really get deep into
Speaker 1: the internet. I'm like, let me find some shit to
Speaker 1: pull off. But that was such a beautiful answer. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know me, well, I would love to get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better. So the first section
Speaker 1: is your wayta, which is where we trace back through
Speaker 1: all the chapters that you know, most people walk into
Speaker 1: your life at this one where you've got a really
Speaker 1: clear purpose and you know where you're going, You've got
Speaker 1: the Olympics ahead of you, but they forget often that
Speaker 1: you know, there have been probably many chapters of your
Speaker 1: life where you didn't know what direction you were going in,
Speaker 1: or you didn't know who you wanted to be. And
Speaker 1: I think we forget without going back through the story
Speaker 1: that all of us started as a child who had
Speaker 1: no idea of the world. So take us back to
Speaker 1: the very beginning. What were you like as a kid,
Speaker 1: What was your childhood like? Mixed race heritage as well,
Speaker 1: did you experience any racism as a child, and how
Speaker 1: did you know? I know your dad was a former
Speaker 1: basketball player. So is that where the sporting interest came in?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think as a kid like I was six
Speaker 2: around the time of the two thousand Olympics and obviously
Speaker 2: they are in Sydney, so I think then everyone was
Speaker 2: just super sporty, right or everyone just cared about it
Speaker 2: because it was coming to Australia. Originally, I wanted to
Speaker 2: be a gymnast and a ballerina, but I was the
Speaker 2: biggest tomboy. I still don't really understand why.
Speaker 1: That's amazing sand.
Speaker 2: But both my parents were great, Like Mum was into
Speaker 2: horse riding, Dad was into basketball, So we've always been
Speaker 2: quite sporty. But Mum was awesome in the fact that
Speaker 2: she had us try everything, so you know, like she
Speaker 2: took us to chess classes and then I'd be learning piano,
Speaker 2: and then she loved painting, so we paint with her,
Speaker 2: and then we you know, do all the different sports
Speaker 2: because she wanted us to figure out what it was
Speaker 2: that we loved. And I just don't know how I
Speaker 2: fell into the most basic sport, like I loved running,
Speaker 2: like called these things and I ended up running.
Speaker 3: The series.
Speaker 1: Mate, like you need you don't even have equipment. I
Speaker 1: caught a bowl like be interesting.
Speaker 2: I will say, like I've always been told I'm way
Speaker 2: better at ball sports because my sisters and I are
Speaker 2: plane at a prettyhig level with netball and basketball. But yeah,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I was like, no,
Speaker 2: running brings me so much joy, like the people you
Speaker 2: meet overseas, the experiences that you have, and just being
Speaker 2: able to run for yourself is a pretty good feeling,
Speaker 2: you know, as a kid, I was honestly, Mom would say,
Speaker 2: like my sisters would agree. I was pretty fair like
Speaker 2: I was, just you would have.
Speaker 3: Thought I was a brother.
Speaker 2: I would never wear skirts, never wear dresses. Nothing like
Speaker 2: that appealed to me. It was all about yeah, running,
Speaker 2: game boys and yu gi.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh my god.
Speaker 2: You know I had all these cards, like these Pokemon
Speaker 2: cards in my Dragon ball Z.
Speaker 3: I pulled them out maybe at the end of last year, Like.
Speaker 1: What, mate, you could sell those for so much money?
Speaker 3: I think I could.
Speaker 2: Everyone's saying like you could make so much money off
Speaker 2: of them, but I want to keep them just because
Speaker 2: it's funny. Like to me, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine you're playing Pokemon either.
Speaker 2: But I have two half brothers and whenever we visit them,
Speaker 2: they just forced us to play. But I was a
Speaker 2: huge game when I was a kid, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: just out of it and again fell in love with
Speaker 2: running somehow.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, well I love that. You know, being
Speaker 1: a kid is that time where you do kind of
Speaker 1: just play every sport and you don't have that layer
Speaker 1: of being fearful of looking silly, Like you know, as
Speaker 1: you become an adult, you get like I don't want
Speaker 1: to try that because like I might fall or I'll
Speaker 1: be bad at it. But as a kid, we kind
Speaker 1: of all explore everything and we don't care if we fall.
Speaker 1: And I love that so much. But many kids do
Speaker 1: kind of do athletics and netball, but not many of
Speaker 1: us go on to become Olympians. So was that always
Speaker 1: the plan? Like I read that at six was when
Speaker 1: the Olympics became your dream and you watch Kathy Freeman
Speaker 1: and that really lit a spark. Did you ever kind
Speaker 1: of consider any other career or from that moment, was
Speaker 1: it like this is what I want to actually be
Speaker 1: tay you?
Speaker 2: What's funny is like I remember when I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: I love running, I want to be an Olympian.
Speaker 3: When I was six.
Speaker 2: I remember writing it down because like we obviously had
Speaker 2: to do school projects around that time that had to
Speaker 2: be Olympic and it was just like in my heart,
Speaker 2: I knew I'm going to the Olympics. How crazy is that?
Speaker 2: Like I look back on it and I just think, how,
Speaker 2: like how did I know? Because then when I got
Speaker 2: to high school that was out the window. It was
Speaker 2: all about partying and drinking. That dream was long gone.
Speaker 2: It's just my favorite story to tell because I remember
Speaker 2: being in year twelve. I absolutely exhausted my sister's fake ID.
Speaker 3: It popped up on the news.
Speaker 2: This is back in twenty twelve, and they're like, oh
Speaker 2: Rio is the host city for the twenty sixteen Games.
Speaker 2: I'd been out of the sport for four years and
Speaker 2: I remember calling my coach, my first coach, Peter Burn,
Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, I'm back. I want to
Speaker 2: go to the Olympics in four years, and he kind
Speaker 2: of giggled. It was pretty funny. And honestly, we just
Speaker 2: got training that year. We made the World Juniors that
Speaker 2: year of like two months training, and then the wall
Speaker 2: just got rolling from there, you know, like it was
Speaker 2: just crazy that the dream was alive again. I don't know, really,
Speaker 2: it was caused from wanting to just party in Brazil.
Speaker 3: And then I get out.
Speaker 2: I actually I have to act like a professional athlete.
Speaker 2: I've learnt so much along the way, and here we are.
Speaker 1: Most people are just like, I'm going to do some
Speaker 1: contigu tour in Brazil and You're like, no, my way
Speaker 1: to get to Brazil is by being an Olympian, Like
Speaker 1: that's how I'm going to get there.
Speaker 2: And that was the thing, like growing up with a
Speaker 2: single mum, we couldn't afford everything, and I knew running
Speaker 2: would be the only way I could get out of
Speaker 2: the country and actually explore. So for me, it was
Speaker 2: like such a humbling experience knowing, Wow, we did that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I kind of knew my career path would
Speaker 2: always end up. I'd always end up in sport. But
Speaker 2: now that I'm older, now I'm kind of like, let's
Speaker 2: venture out. I want to try new things because it's
Speaker 2: not like I've done it all, but I kind of
Speaker 2: have almost done everything or made every team that you
Speaker 2: can make in track, and I just want to see
Speaker 2: what else I can do. And I'm thankful for mum
Speaker 2: because she got us to try everything. So it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, go try singing, go try acting, go try
Speaker 2: fashion design, which are all the things I'm interested in,
Speaker 2: and just see what you can make of it.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I think that's why you're such an interesting athlete,
Speaker 1: because you do often get that person who at six
Speaker 1: or Kathy Freeman then became an Olympian did track and
Speaker 1: field all through UNI didn't drink, didn't party, like, took
Speaker 1: it all so seriously, and like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know, my husband was Jana's Jana Pittman's training partner
Speaker 1: in the four hundred hurdles, so you probably have like
Speaker 1: a lot of friends in common, and he was in
Speaker 1: that camp. Like he didn't have alcohol until like he
Speaker 1: was such a late bloomer because you took it so seriously.
Speaker 1: But I think it's really healthy that you did go
Speaker 1: through a little break in high school, you know, like
Speaker 1: because you got to out of your system and you
Speaker 1: got to see like do I really want this? And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would assume that if
Speaker 1: you took a break, you wouldn't ever be able to
Speaker 1: come back to an elite level. But you did. You
Speaker 1: took a break and then you came back and went
Speaker 1: to the Olympics. That's amazing.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's funny, like I have a lot of my coach
Speaker 2: coaches a lot of younger kids, so they'd be like
Speaker 2: from eight to about fourteen fifteen years old, and they're
Speaker 2: all quite serious. But I'm like, guys, you don't get
Speaker 2: your childhood back, so don't feel guilty if you do
Speaker 2: want to go to a party over a race, or
Speaker 2: you know, if you do want to have a drink.
Speaker 2: I'm not your mum, I'm not encouraging.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: I was like, you'll know the difference between running well
Speaker 2: and not running well. I was like, you're fifteen, and
Speaker 2: I trying to like just get them to understand that
Speaker 2: it's not the be all and an end all right now,
Speaker 2: Like it might seem that way, but there's a lot
Speaker 2: more to life when you're a kid. It's like you
Speaker 2: don't even have to pay bills or worry about anything,
Speaker 2: so please.
Speaker 3: Lap it up. I enjoy that things change.
Speaker 2: And that's just the way I've always thought is like
Speaker 2: I don't know, You've always got so many different voices
Speaker 2: in your head telling you you can, you can't, you've
Speaker 2: been out of it for too long. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's my life, and
Speaker 2: if I apply myself the way I know how to,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get there. You know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not rocket science.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's not rocket science. It is so obvious,
Speaker 1: but it does seem to become a really difficult thing
Speaker 1: for us to accept that. Yeah, even outside of sport,
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of us believe if we
Speaker 1: take our foot off the pedal for two seconds, like
Speaker 1: we're going to get behind and like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: But actually, the healthiest people or the people who have
Speaker 1: the best energy and momentum are the ones who step
Speaker 1: away from what they do and then come back to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, sometimes you step away and you don't realize
Speaker 2: that there might be something else in store for you,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in everything happening for a reason.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I love you hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And sometimes I think what I've been what I've learned
Speaker 2: to accept is that like, the world's not all smiles
Speaker 2: and rainbows, right, you have to take the good with
Speaker 2: the bad, and that it's like okay to be sad,
Speaker 2: you know, and you've just got to roll with it
Speaker 2: and deal with it right then and there. And I
Speaker 2: think that's what's helped me kind of progress within my
Speaker 2: career as well, because I'm just like, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have bad days, Like right now, I'm coming back from
Speaker 2: an injury and it sucked. It was my first one
Speaker 2: ever in my whole career. But then I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: to go twenty six years without being injured is pretty impressive,
Speaker 2: and it means it meant for me that I could
Speaker 2: actually focus on other stuff away from the track, and
Speaker 2: I had other opportunities which were just as big. So
Speaker 2: I saw that as a blessing in disguise, and I
Speaker 2: used something that sucked to the best of my ability
Speaker 2: and to it into something else. So yeah, that's kind
Speaker 2: of what I try to teach the kids, is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have hard days, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: something better make come from it. Absolutely, you've got to
Speaker 2: just roll with it sometimes and do things that you love.
Speaker 1: I often say I love quotes because it's like my
Speaker 1: way of stealing what other people say better than.
Speaker 2: Me, but.
Speaker 1: Profound. So one of the ones that I love is beautiful.
Speaker 1: New beginnings are often disguised as painful ending. So if
Speaker 1: something feels really shit and it feels like that you
Speaker 1: know your world's crushing down around you, it's usually stuff's
Speaker 1: falling apart. So something better can fall together after. You
Speaker 1: just have to like keep focused on the positives and
Speaker 1: eventually they you know, you build back up.
Speaker 3: That's literally how I think, right.
Speaker 1: I love that you're speaking as if you're an eighty
Speaker 1: year old. You're like, you know my whole career wisdom.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how are you twenty six years old? You're amazing.
Speaker 2: I told my best mate, man, that's just next door.
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're having a thirtieth this year.
Speaker 3: For me, I'm basically there. Let's just get.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty two and I'm like, so spill your wisdom, like,
Speaker 1: let's have a one on one counseling session right now.
Speaker 1: But this is why, I mean, it's so cool that
Speaker 1: your first Olympics in Rio you were twenty one, Like
Speaker 1: most of us at twenty one are in some gunn
Speaker 1: are outside of train station with like Bacardi brases, which
Speaker 1: actually I know you also were doing in Rio, so
Speaker 1: that's balance for you.
Speaker 3: But I kind of got it out of the system,
Speaker 3: like we said.
Speaker 1: Right, it's more just efficiency, like get it out of
Speaker 1: the way early and then you'll you can settle down later.
Speaker 1: What was that like?
Speaker 3: It was so good at the time.
Speaker 2: I thought I knew everything at twenty one because I'd
Speaker 2: been in a sport for about four years by that
Speaker 2: point or whatever. I just thought, yeap, I can do
Speaker 2: everything on my own. I'm a big girl now this
Speaker 2: and the other. And now I'm reflecting, I'm like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: I was only twenty one and I was being treated
Speaker 2: like I had to do everything on my own and
Speaker 2: like I just had to know the answer to everything
Speaker 2: as an athlete. So you know, in Rio, I blew
Speaker 2: up in the SAMI and it was like the most
Speaker 2: heartbreak thing ever because I was in the shape of
Speaker 2: my life. My team and I got me to the
Speaker 2: best shape of my life, ready to peek, ready to pbe,
Speaker 2: hopefully make the final, and it all came crashing down.
Speaker 2: And then we came back in the relay and I
Speaker 2: run a cracking split. The team ran really well to
Speaker 2: make the final. We did alright in the final, and
Speaker 2: then I was reflecting, and I'm like, that's actually a
Speaker 2: lot of way for a twenty one year old in
Speaker 2: an individual sport. It ate away at me for about
Speaker 2: three good years straight. Oh it was shocking, and looking
Speaker 2: back now, I'm like, actually, I'm proud, Like how many
Speaker 2: twenty one year olds can handle that kind of pressure,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But then you do get
Speaker 2: the old freak that's like a seventeen year old will
Speaker 2: come out and.
Speaker 1: Win it maybe those assholes, like who were they?
Speaker 2: I'm looking back, it was just such a cool experience
Speaker 2: because I remember thinking I wanted this since I was
Speaker 2: six years old, and for it to finally happens just
Speaker 2: like the most insane feeling like I can't put my
Speaker 2: finger on it, and then like to finally be able
Speaker 2: to celebrate with some of my best mates in Rio,
Speaker 2: with my family after parties, meeting all some athletes, like
Speaker 2: everything about it was just so cool.
Speaker 1: I think you described it as it was like Christmas
Speaker 1: and Disneyland all in one of them, with Pokemon running around.
Speaker 1: But it's really interesting. I love speaking to athletes, particularly Olympians,
Speaker 1: because I think there's such a big emphasis in our
Speaker 1: society on success and progress and goals. But often as
Speaker 1: an athlete, you experience those concepts a lot earlier than
Speaker 1: other people might in their careers because of the nature of,
Speaker 1: you know, the sport that you're in. So many people
Speaker 1: don't have to confront their peak dream of their lifetime
Speaker 1: at twenty one, like they've often kind of lived a
Speaker 1: whole lifetime by then. But for you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen Nick go through that and feel like silver
Speaker 1: is failure, Like anything other than gold, and he can't
Speaker 1: he couldn't see that. Actually, everyone else in the world
Speaker 1: would kill to just be in that race. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: you struggle with that sort of winning and then peaking
Speaker 1: and then like achieving a dream so early and then
Speaker 1: how does anything measure up? But then also considering that
Speaker 1: something that is really successful still felt like a failure,
Speaker 1: Like how did that all play out for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty insane. Like at the time, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, it was the best experience ever. And
Speaker 2: I can say it now because I have had time
Speaker 2: to reflect on it, and I just thought, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I've just absolutely like screwed it up. This is my
Speaker 2: childhood dream and I couldn't even get it right and
Speaker 2: it's nothing like I thought it would play out in
Speaker 2: my head. But then you've got to realize It's like,
Speaker 2: especially in track and field, I don't think people understand
Speaker 2: how hard it is to win an Olympic medal in
Speaker 2: this sport, Like it is one of the hardest sports,
Speaker 2: I would say across the board to be on the
Speaker 2: world stage, because you have to get everything right and
Speaker 2: everyone can run like the depth is just crazy. But
Speaker 2: then when you do have your own personal goals and achievements.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, well, you know I wanted to go
Speaker 2: I wanted to run a PB and I almost did that,
Speaker 2: and sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you might fall you have to settle for it.
Speaker 2: But it's also like I come from a place where
Speaker 2: you've just got to be super grateful, right because things
Speaker 2: could be worse. I might not have ever qualified, or
Speaker 2: I could have been injured or sick or you know,
Speaker 2: it's just one of those things. Like I'm working closely
Speaker 2: with my psych now to understand that it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what anyone else thinks.
Speaker 3: You're here for you, not one other person. It does
Speaker 3: not matter.
Speaker 2: It's what you can do at the end of the
Speaker 2: day and what you want to achieve. And she's so
Speaker 2: good like if you fail or whatever, you pick yourself
Speaker 2: up and go again, right, Like there's always another opportunity.
Speaker 2: And that just made me realize, like this is just
Speaker 2: a journey. You know, You're gonna have highs and lows,
Speaker 2: and you've just got to roll with it. Obviously, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, everyone wants to break records
Speaker 2: and win, and that is the goal, but it's also
Speaker 2: like identifying that even to get to that point it's
Speaker 2: just such a huge achievement in itself because of all
Speaker 2: the sacrifices and hard work, which I think a lot
Speaker 2: of athletes forget to reflect on is like what you
Speaker 2: had to go through just to get to that point.
Speaker 2: It's an incredible achievement, right, And it's like in any job.
Speaker 1: I'd say, I'm so glad that you guys do work
Speaker 1: closely with psychologists because of that, because you can beat
Speaker 1: yourself up, like you become I imagine, such a perfectionist,
Speaker 1: like the only goal is win, and so when you
Speaker 1: don't win, it's like anything other than winning probably in
Speaker 1: the moment feels like, oh I failed, even though you're
Speaker 1: still number two in the world, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: still a huge achievement. You just have to switch your
Speaker 1: mindset towards. Like even making the Olympics is such a
Speaker 1: minority in the world of people who get to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a small club and it's like, wow,
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool, but I can make the ex.
Speaker 1: And like the other thing is when you do hit
Speaker 1: at twenty one, like such a high peak. I think
Speaker 1: often we see things and I get really fascinated by
Speaker 1: this in this podcast in general, often we see our
Speaker 1: goals is like a destination, and then it gets really
Speaker 1: hard if you reach the goal, because then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm here, Like what do I do now? And so
Speaker 1: when people attach all their happiness to certain things or
Speaker 1: certain arriving at a place, they don't enjoy the journey
Speaker 1: because you're always just kind of only trying to get
Speaker 1: to this one end goal. Oh and switching your mindset
Speaker 1: to oh, well that was just one chapter and now
Speaker 1: I've got to, you know, formulate a new chapter and
Speaker 1: a new goal. Talk us through like post your first Olympics,
Speaker 1: do you go straight into Okay, what's the next Olympics?
Speaker 1: And i'mlike, I think anyone outside athletics would think of
Speaker 1: you going from four hundred meters to eight hundred meters?
Speaker 1: It's like cool, she's a runner like normal. Nick was like,
Speaker 1: what the actual fuck happened to there? Like they are
Speaker 1: such He's like, that's like something from football to netball.
Speaker 1: They're like such different sports. So here's question. He's like,
Speaker 1: can you please ask Morgan why, like how did that happen?
Speaker 1: Was it because you wanted a new challenge? Like to
Speaker 1: the uninitiated in athletics. Talk us through that change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was pretty funny. So after real like,
Speaker 2: I just was so mentally exhausted, and then twenty seventeen
Speaker 2: came and then I just had pretty bad mental health
Speaker 2: is sh And then twenty eighteen came, I lost my whole.
Speaker 3: Team, like no one was really jelling.
Speaker 2: And that was my last major competition as a four
Speaker 2: hundred meter runer, and that was the Commonwealth Games in
Speaker 2: Gold Coast and I remember thinking like, I'm not enjoying
Speaker 2: the sport. I'm always sad. I don't even want to
Speaker 2: rock up to training. And in my head, I was
Speaker 2: like do I just want to quit or do I
Speaker 2: want to try something else?
Speaker 3: Like I had no.
Speaker 2: Coach, Like my best mame my training partner. He was
Speaker 2: helping formulate some sort of a program and then we
Speaker 2: trained together and hope for the best. And I'm trying
Speaker 2: to remember Commonwealth Games. An athlete that just listens to
Speaker 2: what the coach says. So when you don't have a coach,
Speaker 2: it was like, well, let's just go in and guess
Speaker 2: you know, you don't know if you don't.
Speaker 3: Tryn't run that well.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so I went away to Europe for about
Speaker 2: three months and I remember Luke Matthews. He got a
Speaker 2: bronze medal at the com Game from the eight hundred,
Speaker 2: and he was being coached by his mum. And I
Speaker 2: remember asking you just as just general question. I was like, hey, Liz,
Speaker 2: would you ever coach me over the eight hundred? And
Speaker 2: she kind of was like hell, She's like, yeah, random,
Speaker 2: you're a four hundred runner of but okay. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I was just asking when a way to Europe? Honestly,
Speaker 2: on like a three month bender. She started off at
Speaker 2: coach oiler if that's anything to go.
Speaker 1: By, Yeah, sure, so really health care kido.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I was watching all my friends compete on the
Speaker 2: European circuit and I remember just watching them and I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, all my friends are pee being breaking records.
Speaker 3: I knew then I didn't want to quit the sport.
Speaker 3: I wanted to try something else.
Speaker 2: And the reason I did move it was just like
Speaker 2: the comparisons to Kathy Freeman and oh she's a wasted talent,
Speaker 2: and it was just the outside external pressure that I
Speaker 2: just couldn't deal with anymore. And how hard I trained
Speaker 2: just to get to fifty one too. I was like, look,
Speaker 2: it's not worth it. I think I can actually make
Speaker 2: me something else. I don't want to do this anymore.
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, I got back from my Europe troop,
Speaker 2: like seriously, I was just not an athlete when I
Speaker 2: came home and I just said to Liz, well, we've
Speaker 2: got seven months to the World Champs. Let's see what
Speaker 2: we can do. And she remember saying, look, let's just
Speaker 2: try and get your fit. I don't think you might
Speaker 2: not get to World Champs and you need to be
Speaker 2: okay with that, but let's just see where we can
Speaker 2: go more. Aim for Tokyo. I don't remember going to it.
Speaker 2: We're making World Champs. It was already in my mind
Speaker 2: when I was on that flight from Europe to Australia.
Speaker 2: I don't care how overweight I was, how unfit I was,
Speaker 2: We'll go into Worlds And yeah, I made the announcement
Speaker 2: and it's just like wow, I'm really about to check
Speaker 2: myself on the deep end.
Speaker 3: With going from the four to the A, it's just
Speaker 3: completely different.
Speaker 2: You're going from sprinting to middle distance, a completely different
Speaker 2: style of running training.
Speaker 3: I went from fifteen.
Speaker 2: Kilometers a week max till about eighty kilometers of running
Speaker 2: per week. Yeah, it was insane and along the way
Speaker 2: there were so many people just bullying me, and it
Speaker 2: was kind of looking back now, it was funny.
Speaker 3: At the time, I was kind of focused, but I.
Speaker 2: Was also distracted by it because I started to believe
Speaker 2: what they said. But I just said to Liz mat
Speaker 2: we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it, We're gonna
Speaker 2: do it. And it was so funny. At Nationals we
Speaker 2: medled and then you know, a few months later, I'm
Speaker 2: on the World Unis team, and then I'm in a
Speaker 2: massive Diamond League Grace in London, and that's where I
Speaker 2: got the qualifier and nearly round under two minutes for
Speaker 2: the first time in the eight hundred and that's why. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was like, well, this is my event, We're in it,
Speaker 2: and we qualified for Worlds.
Speaker 3: My gosh, no.
Speaker 2: One will ever understand the sigh of relief. I remember
Speaker 2: going back to my hotel super happy, but I just cried.
Speaker 2: I was like, finally, like when I put my mind
Speaker 2: to something, it's like anyone, if you put your mind
Speaker 2: to it, the results will come. And yeah, so for
Speaker 2: me it was just like WHOA, I finally think I've
Speaker 2: found my purpose.
Speaker 3: Again with athletics. I don't want to quit.
Speaker 2: I understand that it's going to take a few years
Speaker 2: to get to my end goal, but I'm ready for it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it was an interesting journey. You put it perfectly.
Speaker 2: Going from the four to the eight is literally like
Speaker 2: going from football to network.
Speaker 3: It's so hard to transition.
Speaker 2: And I think Liz is such a good coach because
Speaker 2: she's patient and we just did it so well and
Speaker 2: we peaked perfectly, and she just said, if you do
Speaker 2: exactly as I say, we'll get there, and then we did.
Speaker 1: It's just comes back to what was saying before about
Speaker 1: that willingness to be a beginner, Like it's not easy.
Speaker 1: And I think probably because you did it, you forget
Speaker 1: how hard and intimidating that is. But it is so
Speaker 1: extraordinarily overwhelming to put yourself out there when the world
Speaker 1: is looking at you to go screw it. I'm really
Speaker 1: good at what I do, but I'm going to leave
Speaker 1: that behind and start something that I'm not good at
Speaker 1: because I've never done it before, and try it anyway.
Speaker 1: That takes so much balls.
Speaker 3: That's what that was.
Speaker 2: The thing is like a lot of my friends from overseas,
Speaker 2: all the elite athletes and girls I was running against
Speaker 2: were so encouraging, like it just honestly, I reckon. That's
Speaker 2: another thing that got me across the line because I thought, Wow,
Speaker 2: these chicks are like Olympic medalists, well run on holders
Speaker 2: or whatever, and they're sending me random messages just wishing
Speaker 2: me the best of luck. And for me, that was
Speaker 2: just so inspiring, Like they knew how hard it was
Speaker 2: to try and transition and they thought, yeah, this chick's
Speaker 2: got nuts, like set books on it.
Speaker 3: So for me that was super humbling.
Speaker 2: It's just like, Wow, you've got these armchair critics that
Speaker 2: just want to try and bring you down, and you've
Speaker 2: got some of the best athletes in the world rallying
Speaker 2: behind you. I think that's another thing that just kept
Speaker 2: me going. I thought, Wow, this sport's really really cool,
Speaker 2: Like you find some really good people in athletics.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's like a big family.
Speaker 1: Oh that's so nice. And that's also like one of
Speaker 1: the things I talk about. We're kind of mixing in
Speaker 1: the next section, which is NATA, and that's all the
Speaker 1: barriers or challenges that get in the way of your
Speaker 1: joy along the way. And I think self doubt is
Speaker 1: one of the biggest ones even if you're at the
Speaker 1: top of your game, but when you're at the start
Speaker 1: of a whole new journey, I can imagine doubting yourself
Speaker 1: comparing yourself to others, and not just self doubt but
Speaker 1: external doubt from critics who are like, she won't do this,
Speaker 1: Like that would be really tough to even wake up
Speaker 1: the next day and get back out on the track
Speaker 1: if you're not feeling like you're good straight away, because
Speaker 1: you'd come from a place where you were fast, so
Speaker 1: it'd be like so frustrating to go back to, you know,
Speaker 1: being new. So I think leaning on the right people
Speaker 1: around you is so important. But what else really got
Speaker 1: you through those kind of doubtful moments?
Speaker 2: I think, to be honest, like having a life outside
Speaker 2: of athletics, right because I remember thinking, Okay, I have
Speaker 2: a good team behind me that are supporting me. There's
Speaker 2: always going to be someone that doesn't like you for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, and you just need to accept it like
Speaker 2: it's a reflection of them. You know, if you're happy
Speaker 2: with yourself and someone's coming at you for no reason.
Speaker 3: It's not your fault. There's something that they are going through.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what I had to realize, and
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, I've still got my whole life to
Speaker 2: worry about. Am I really going to waste all my
Speaker 2: energy on this one person or you know, however many people,
Speaker 2: I was like nah. So for me, it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: get a hobby, do something else. When you're on the track,
Speaker 2: focus on it. But as soon as I step off
Speaker 2: the track, I'm like, I'm not a runner. I did
Speaker 2: not want to hear about athletics.
Speaker 3: I couldn't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I think that was a good thing. Is just
Speaker 2: having other interests in my life. That helped a lot
Speaker 2: because you'd come back to it and I'd be like,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just running. Like I know, people a
Speaker 2: lot of athletes might think, oh, you know, you're not
Speaker 2: focused enough you're on this, and I'm like, no, no,
Speaker 2: i am, but I'm not going to waste all my
Speaker 2: energy when it doesn't need to be wasted.
Speaker 3: Like you know. And I think that helped. And I
Speaker 3: think if you met my mum as well, you'd be like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: it all makes sense. She's like God's gift to this earth.
Speaker 1: Well, your God's give to this earth and she just
Speaker 1: made you so.
Speaker 3: You know what mums are like, They're just awesome, and
Speaker 3: that was a thing.
Speaker 2: I think it's just nice knowing that your parents and
Speaker 2: friends and family are always going to love you, whether
Speaker 2: you run fast or not. I think that's what helped
Speaker 2: get me through. And then working with Emma helped as well,
Speaker 2: because she really goes into the mind and she explains
Speaker 2: why we have self doubt and it stems from like
Speaker 2: the cave man days and all of this. So when
Speaker 2: she realized, oh, it's all just in my head, you're like, whatever,
Speaker 2: let's just get this ball rolling.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you get over it.
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Speaker 1: Now back to the show. I think you're also the
Speaker 1: most level headed athlete I've heard talk about Tokyo as well, Like,
Speaker 1: of course, it's devastating, and people outside of the sporting
Speaker 1: world probably don't quite grasp how much you are trying
Speaker 1: to peak at the exact date that the Olympics is
Speaker 1: meant to be on. But I heard you talk about
Speaker 1: on another podcast. You're just like I mean, yeah, it's devastating,
Speaker 1: and yeah we all had this one date that everything
Speaker 1: was backdated from. But you know, people are dying, Like
Speaker 1: it's a really tough time. There's got to be perspective
Speaker 1: that it's disappointing, there's uncertainty, but everyone in the world
Speaker 1: is facing that.
Speaker 3: So and like we still get to travel the world.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, obviously I'm not I decided not to,
Speaker 2: but like a lot of athletes can still travel the
Speaker 2: world and compete, like have some respect or like, you know,
Speaker 2: be grateful for what we've been given and the opportunities.
Speaker 2: Like you know, you hear of people's relatives, mum's dads
Speaker 2: or whatever, getting even just getting sick and being hospitalized,
Speaker 2: or even like hearing if people lose their sense of
Speaker 2: smell and taste.
Speaker 3: I wasn't really like complaining about an Olympics.
Speaker 2: So you can say that because it's like, I'm so
Speaker 2: grateful we can still run because a lot of people,
Speaker 2: like seeing my sister even last year, she suffered quite bad,
Speaker 2: like she lost her job and everything, and I've never
Speaker 2: seen her go through something.
Speaker 3: It was just a very dark time for it, and
Speaker 3: it broke my heart and I.
Speaker 2: Was a selfish one thinking oh, I've just got to
Speaker 2: run and I've got to train, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't there's no Olympics I should be there for.
Speaker 2: And that really put things into perspective for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just seem yeah, being an athlete, we're still human
Speaker 2: for sure, but we do need to realize like we've
Speaker 2: got it pretty good. Because in my head, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: if they can run an Olympics, run a Coachella, Jesus,
Speaker 2: where are the music? If you can organize what is
Speaker 2: it thirty thousand people to go athletes and officials.
Speaker 3: West Tomorrow Land.
Speaker 1: I love that you're just like most athletes only know
Speaker 1: the world of athletics and there's nothing else that exists
Speaker 1: in their field of vision. And you're just like, mate,
Speaker 1: where Coachella at?
Speaker 2: Like when you think about it, right, that's how like
Speaker 2: privileged we are as athletes. Like they're trying so hard
Speaker 2: to put this thing on.
Speaker 3: I'm sure a.
Speaker 2: Lot of music lovers want to go to the next
Speaker 2: festival like Austin City Limits or yeah, like Coachella or whatever.
Speaker 2: Are you sitting back like, well, it can be done, clearly, Apparently,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just yeah, I'm excited to go.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, Oh yeah, absolutely, But I think
Speaker 1: it's so refreshing that you just have other things going
Speaker 1: on in your world, and it's it's fascinating to look at,
Speaker 1: you know, all the other activities and ambassadorships and ways
Speaker 1: that you use your platform for things other than athletics.
Speaker 1: Even though that's why you're such a big role model,
Speaker 1: and even though you know, we're so impressed and fascinated
Speaker 1: by your skill and talent, it's just so healthy and
Speaker 1: amazing that, you know, outside of training, you're I think
Speaker 1: you're the first athlete to become an F forty five Ambassador,
Speaker 1: which is a cross discipline, Like that's a totally different
Speaker 1: kind of training, So that seems counterintuitive, but I love
Speaker 1: that you're like, no, we need to, Like, athletes can't
Speaker 1: only train on the track because your body is not
Speaker 1: going to get anything from just repeating the same thing
Speaker 1: over and over. So how do you sort of train
Speaker 1: and how does like how does forty five work into that?
Speaker 1: How to other forms of training? Like is it on
Speaker 1: the track? You know ninety percent of the time. What
Speaker 1: are the sort of quirkiest parts of life as an
Speaker 1: athlete that we wouldn't know, you know.
Speaker 2: I think if you can't tell when now, I get
Speaker 2: bored quite easily. No, but I've always just enjoyed sport,
Speaker 2: and I think for me, like my training, I'll be
Speaker 2: on the track maybe three days a week, jogging another
Speaker 2: three days a week, and then I'll have a rest day.
Speaker 3: But when i'm cross training, I try to cross train
Speaker 3: at least two to three days a week on top
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: And that'll be whether it's boxing, basketball, in the pool,
Speaker 2: on the elliptical. I mean, it's like I just need
Speaker 2: to keep moving, I need to keep breathing, and I
Speaker 2: need to have fun. So if I don't want to
Speaker 2: do the elliptical, I'll go and play forty minutes of basketball.
Speaker 2: Just get three on stream. We'll all just you know,
Speaker 2: have a shoot around. And then I found forty five
Speaker 2: was awesome because it's like, wow, forty five minutes, I'm in,
Speaker 2: I'm out. I love the community feel. You get to
Speaker 2: meet like people from all walks of life with different goals,
Speaker 2: and then they look at you like, oh, you're an athlete.
Speaker 3: But then I look at them.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but it's my job, Like I have to
Speaker 2: be doing this, and like I have to stay fit.
Speaker 2: You guys, this is like a choice, and you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like that is so admirable to me
Speaker 2: that people are like, yeah, I want.
Speaker 1: To get fit today, you choose this pain I have
Speaker 1: to be here.
Speaker 3: Like, to me, that's just huge. It's so impressive.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing I love about A forty five
Speaker 2: is like all the workouts are different, the community feel.
Speaker 3: It's just so much fun.
Speaker 2: You can pick whatever time you want to train and
Speaker 2: then yeah, you just get to meet so many cool
Speaker 2: people wherever you are as well, Like I'm going to
Speaker 2: the one tomorrow at Hope Island up here, and then
Speaker 2: they'll be in Burly Heads next week.
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's the coolest part for me.
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, I'm all about fun and just
Speaker 2: trying new things. And the quirkiest part of training is yeah,
Speaker 2: let's just keep it interesting.
Speaker 3: I'm on the track. We're very specific. I want to
Speaker 3: have my gym days, which are like maybe two days
Speaker 3: a week. It's very specific. But all of the other.
Speaker 2: Maintenance stuff, like all the cross training, I just think, oh,
Speaker 2: and I can't do anything. Let's just switch it up
Speaker 2: because it's all about just you know, staying fit. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that was cool. That was like when I got into
Speaker 2: the box and I was hitting that pretty hard and
Speaker 2: I got bored, and I was like, Okay, I want
Speaker 2: to be in the forty five gym at least twice
Speaker 2: a week doing one cardio, one strength because I feel
Speaker 2: like it really really helps me. And I just know
Speaker 2: when I'm in off season and I don't have to
Speaker 2: think about running, I'll just go straight to forty five
Speaker 2: three days a week and that's me done until i'm
Speaker 2: you know, summoned back to the track.
Speaker 1: That's actually what I love about forty five that you
Speaker 1: can never get bored because the class is never the same,
Speaker 1: so you're always like, even in the class itself, you
Speaker 1: only do an exercise for like forty five seconds, so
Speaker 1: you can't even get bored in each exercise because you're
Speaker 1: just about to die and then you're like, oh, next one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's such a laugh.
Speaker 2: Like We've got one of my best mates and we
Speaker 2: usually go to the Laudi alic One and it's just
Speaker 2: like a child like we're always bursting each other. For us,
Speaker 2: it's like a MENI Olympics every time you walk in one,
Speaker 2: because I always.
Speaker 1: Win but obvious, I mean, obviously.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. But two, it's just like we didn't
Speaker 2: even have to think. I love when you can just
Speaker 2: work out and not have to think about it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's just like, yeah, come in versus me, we hook
Speaker 3: up Apple Watches. It's all.
Speaker 1: Have you met Mark Wahlberg yet? Have you got to
Speaker 1: like to put that in the contract? I feel like
Speaker 1: you should. I feel like you should do it so
Speaker 1: that you could beat him and then be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I beat Mark Wahlberg like basketball.
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize. I honestly would love to Purson
Speaker 2: in one on one.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be so amazing. I would
Speaker 1: want that would take like more viewers away from the Olympics,
Speaker 1: like we all just be watching that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I honestly back myself.
Speaker 1: Inside a tip for any punters out there. Morgan backs
Speaker 1: herself just saying, what about when you're actually on the track,
Speaker 1: do you have any like superstitions or rituals, Like how
Speaker 1: often do you change your spikes? For anyone who doesn't
Speaker 1: actually know anything about athletics, like what's some of your
Speaker 1: day to day running secrets or you know, quirky things.
Speaker 2: That you do.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what's funny.
Speaker 2: This might be contradicting myself, but I don't really believe
Speaker 2: in superstitions. For me only because when we are on
Speaker 2: the circuit, obviously pre COVID, you're traveling every three to
Speaker 2: four days to different European countries to race, So the
Speaker 2: food's always different, the atmosphere is always different, the race
Speaker 2: is always different.
Speaker 3: Everything is different. So I'm just like, let's just roll
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not going to get into any strict regime
Speaker 2: because at some point it'll be thrown out and I
Speaker 2: don't want to crumble because of it. But what I
Speaker 2: finally realized is I always have to put my left
Speaker 2: shoe on first.
Speaker 3: So is that a superstition? It just feels really weird.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a ritual. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only thing.
Speaker 2: You always find me putting my left shoe on first,
Speaker 2: right when I just don't.
Speaker 3: Feel right what it is. But I've picked up on
Speaker 3: it because one time I was like, oh, I'm like,
Speaker 3: let's just try it. Not doing that do it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, screw all that stuff, But I have
Speaker 2: to put my left shoe on first, otherwise my wife
Speaker 2: just doesn't I don't know what.
Speaker 1: It is, spirals out of control?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but how did it come about?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. I always wonder, you know, when you're watch
Speaker 1: Nadal and he has to do his little steps onto
Speaker 1: the court and then he picks his weggie and then
Speaker 1: he picks his nose, and you're like, how did you
Speaker 1: figure out that that exact sequence? Like why the weggie
Speaker 1: before the nose? What if it was the other way around? Head, Like,
Speaker 1: how did you figure out that that was his order?
Speaker 1: Of those twenty five different things?
Speaker 3: Let's you on first, that's all I asked for.
Speaker 1: And what about being part of game changes? So I
Speaker 1: was actually really disappointed when I found out, and disappointed
Speaker 1: for you as well that you filmed like four years
Speaker 1: before it actually came out. So I'm sitting here going
Speaker 1: she was filmeding with Annie and like.
Speaker 3: Chin, Yeah, no, it was honestly what a ride.
Speaker 2: I honestly forget that it even happened now, Like so, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was straight after the Olympics. I flew to La
Speaker 2: to shoot for about four days. So this is back
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, and it started off as a small
Speaker 2: documentary that was the weirdest part like I remember Peter
Speaker 2: Siddle's wife had messaged.
Speaker 3: Me like, hey, you can't do it, will you do
Speaker 3: it it? Okay, that's a small Dolockoan.
Speaker 2: Why not? I'm free at that time. And then she
Speaker 2: mentioned James Cameron. I'm like, yeah, I'll definitely be there
Speaker 2: in LA.
Speaker 1: I love Titanic, so yes, I will be there.
Speaker 2: Literally, my mom was like, Morman, you loved that movie.
Speaker 2: It was mainly Selene Dear.
Speaker 1: Oh obviously have you watched her carpool karaoke with James Corden. No,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, go watch it. I'll send you the link.
Speaker 3: Dallas was my favorite.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, then you'll love Salene. So they end
Speaker 1: up at some theme park in Vegas on this boat
Speaker 1: like singing Titanic. Amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I remember that was twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. Didn't
Speaker 2: hear March and I'm like, oh, it's probably died down.
Speaker 2: But the trip to la was fun. Then they contact us,
Speaker 2: contacted us at the end of twenty seventeen. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: we want you in Canada for a premiere. We've found Arnold,
Speaker 2: We've found Serena, We've found Novac, Jackie Chan, Chris Paul
Speaker 2: and I'm like, hang away, do you have the right number?
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the f I was like, I was like,
Speaker 2: do I even still have a role? Want me in
Speaker 2: this movie? I was like, I won't be offended, don't
Speaker 2: feel bad. I don't have to be in it. Like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we want you to be a part of it. That's
Speaker 2: why it's taken so long to obviously get to this point.
Speaker 2: So we go to this Many premiere in Canada and
Speaker 2: that was fun. I got to meet everyone, go to
Speaker 2: meet James Cameron's wife. She's like the nicest person ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's is she the hurt Locker director? Or is
Speaker 1: that his ex wife?
Speaker 3: Oh? She's subject I know.
Speaker 1: I'm like I should have fat checked.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Like and then that was twenty eighteen, and then twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, by the way, we're going to be
Speaker 2: on Netflix iTunes and this is all just before the
Speaker 2: world and I was kind of like, like, I've.
Speaker 3: Got to run in America, Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I was like, this has never really been a massive
Speaker 2: dream of mine, but yes, I'll go.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, from there it just blew up.
Speaker 2: And honestly, it was like the what I want people
Speaker 2: to know is just like they were the most incredible
Speaker 2: team to work with from start to finish, and James
Speaker 2: Wilks putting that together, It's just incredible. What he did
Speaker 2: where it started to what it became in the end
Speaker 2: was just like, whoa, that's mind blowing, Like he's hard
Speaker 2: work and the passion he put into it obviously showed
Speaker 2: when you watched it, and with the help of having
Speaker 2: James Cameron like it's massive.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, it was just like such a cool, humbling experience.
Speaker 2: But then I remember thinking, Hollywood's fun. You do meet
Speaker 2: a lot of people and you kind of realize, maybe
Speaker 2: it's not where I want to be right now, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I think that's where it comes.
Speaker 2: You know, it stems back to the mum and my
Speaker 2: sisters just remained humble because you know, anyone can chew
Speaker 2: you up and spit you out. So I just thought, yeah,
Speaker 2: good night, let's go to Doha. We've got world chance
Speaker 2: to focus on. Don't want to get caught up in
Speaker 2: that lifestyle just yet.
Speaker 3: So that was good.
Speaker 1: But how incredible I meant? We are good friends with
Speaker 1: Sidel and Anna. Do you know we have a vegan
Speaker 1: cafe matcha milk bow. You guys, Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: our cafe.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we were watching the progression of the film
Speaker 1: very closely and it was just like mind blowing because
Speaker 1: none of us are actually vegan. We were just blown
Speaker 1: away by how the information that is actually really impactful
Speaker 1: is often packaged the wrong way and not communicated so
Speaker 1: that the masses and the mainstream don't consider going meet
Speaker 1: free a few days a week, which would also have it,
Speaker 1: you know, just as much change as less people going
Speaker 1: fully vegan. So this film was like combating that exact problem.
Speaker 1: It's not the stats that aren't persuasive, they're so persuasive,
Speaker 1: it's the way they're delivered. And you guys, and that project, like,
Speaker 1: it was such an impactful movie, and I think it
Speaker 1: inverted a lot of people's thinking who would never have
Speaker 1: considered that before because of the way you presented it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's how you start, right, It's
Speaker 2: like you don't want to force information down people's throats
Speaker 2: because no one likes that across any issue, right. But
Speaker 2: I was just like, at least just give it a
Speaker 2: crack or just try it, or you know, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not here to force anyone to do anything, because
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want that done to me, but that it
Speaker 2: was quite funny. A lot of my friends are like,
Speaker 2: I fucking hate you. I was like, you know, like
Speaker 2: even when we're out, they do want to try vegan
Speaker 2: cafes and restaurants, and I'm like, oh, that's actually pretty
Speaker 2: cool because I'm super chill. I We go to like
Speaker 2: meeting Wineko and I'll just get a salad. Like I'm
Speaker 2: not one to ruin the night out. I just want
Speaker 2: to hang with my friends. But it is nice knowing like,
Speaker 2: oh they're a little bit more mindful and accepting of it,
Speaker 2: Like oh, well, then that's job done.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's like step one. You can't just expect people to
Speaker 2: jump into the deep end and swim right. And I
Speaker 2: think that's what Game Changes did really well, is just
Speaker 2: to get people thinking. Some people did just want to
Speaker 2: go straight into it, so I'm just wanting to explore.
Speaker 2: And it was, ah, that's actually really cool that they
Speaker 2: got their point across. So yeah, kudas to James Cameron
Speaker 2: and team.
Speaker 1: I mean, they had great tools and they had the
Speaker 1: great Morgan Metell as part of it, which is obviously
Speaker 1: why everyone else said yes. I mean, let's be real,
Speaker 1: you you started at all? When did you go vegan?
Speaker 1: What was your kind of journey with plant based eating?
Speaker 3: Pretty funny at the end of twenty fourteen, And.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it was just an ex that tried every single
Speaker 2: diet under the sun. And he's like, hey, I never
Speaker 2: wanted to try it. I'm like, how old was I?
Speaker 2: I was like what nineteen twenty? Was like, I don't
Speaker 2: really want to do I don't want to do your
Speaker 2: kido diet, I don't want to do your high car
Speaker 2: bloke like I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't imagine you're tolerating just being like, mate,
Speaker 1: come on, let's just eat.
Speaker 3: Yeah. One day he comes in, he's like, we should
Speaker 3: go vegan. I just said yes.
Speaker 2: I was like sure, And I think I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was to shut him up or something deep
Speaker 2: within my sub one just clicked.
Speaker 3: But from that day on I just dropped everything and
Speaker 3: went vegan.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really weird.
Speaker 2: And then he started telling me the impact it had
Speaker 2: on the environment and the animals, and I think that's
Speaker 2: what broke my heart. You watch a few videos about
Speaker 2: the animals and I'm like, nah, I just but that
Speaker 2: is just you know, you start tearing up and it
Speaker 2: makes you really question like the choices you make in life.
Speaker 2: And for me, that was what got me across the line.
Speaker 2: And then I thought, oh, I'm still an athlete. I
Speaker 2: need to see a diet tissue if I want to
Speaker 2: take this seriously, because I had no idea what I
Speaker 2: was doing. Then I saw one out from Sids and Anna,
Speaker 2: and yeah, we's got the ball rolling and it seemed
Speaker 2: to work.
Speaker 3: Like I've been vegan ever since Time Flies though.
Speaker 1: I think that was what was so amazing about that
Speaker 1: film that there's a lot of information out there about,
Speaker 1: you know, why the environment will benefit why from an
Speaker 1: animal rights perspective, obviously vegan is the preferable lifestyle, but
Speaker 1: people don't actually think that from a performance aspect, like
Speaker 1: I think they think there's a sacrifice for athletes. But
Speaker 1: the fact that you are all elite athletes in this
Speaker 1: movie and it's still performing really well was like quite quite.
Speaker 1: I was going to say game changing, but obviously I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say that. I like it was really
Speaker 1: revolutionary because people were like, wow, you guys aren't slower
Speaker 1: or struggling to put on muscle mass, or you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're still and not even still, like in some
Speaker 1: cases people's performance improved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I think that was the other
Speaker 2: thing is like you obviously need the evidence, right, you
Speaker 2: can't just convince people without evidence.
Speaker 3: So it was nice even meeting some of those athletes.
Speaker 3: I thought, wow, I.
Speaker 2: Just feel like a little plug compared to some of them,
Speaker 2: like they put in I thought, that's just freaking amazing.
Speaker 2: But I always tell people, I'm like, if you want
Speaker 2: to go vegan, it's like anything. If you're seek you
Speaker 2: see a doctor. You want to get your teeth checked,
Speaker 2: You don't do it yourself and look in the mirror.
Speaker 3: You go to a dentist. So if you want to
Speaker 3: change a diet, so your diet t ship.
Speaker 2: Like, seek out the professionals, you know. But it just
Speaker 2: seems like you mentioned veganism, people just think it's dumb
Speaker 2: and stupid and you can't do it.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, if you want to change with anything,
Speaker 3: you go, And that's what I did. I want to
Speaker 3: go find someone that knows what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get help, get professionals on board.
Speaker 2: Because once you get the professional help, they give you
Speaker 2: all the information and then They tell you what you
Speaker 2: need to eat when you need to eat it. And
Speaker 2: I think that's why I ran so well in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen as well.
Speaker 3: With my dietitian. She was just like bang bang bang
Speaker 3: bang bang, stick to this and you'll be fine.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, ran my pbe made the Olympics and
Speaker 2: was undefeated that whole season.
Speaker 3: There you go, there, you go invest and you'll get
Speaker 3: the return.
Speaker 1: The proof is in the plants.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what though, now, Like I know that
Speaker 2: you run much milk, but I don't know if you
Speaker 2: have any fronteurs.
Speaker 3: Is that it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sorry guys, Yeah, I would love one a sushi train
Speaker 2: because I just don't think there are enough in Melbourne,
Speaker 2: but a vegan sushi train, like I would want a
Speaker 2: vision one. But when you think about it, because like
Speaker 2: I love sushi, I was just like, why are there
Speaker 2: any sushi trains?
Speaker 3: Or am I missing something? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think there are.
Speaker 3: You've got the blueprint, you've started a restaurant. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying I had, I just don't know it to start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like our big thing was looking at where those
Speaker 1: gaps were, Like what were the things that because all
Speaker 1: the kind of plant based or even vegetarian restaurants that
Speaker 1: already existed, not so much now, but when we first
Speaker 1: started in twenty sixteen were very woo woo hippie earth mother,
Speaker 1: which is amazing, but it's one category that's quite intimidating
Speaker 1: to certain parts of society that we also wanted to
Speaker 1: be able to access plant based eating. So we looked
Speaker 1: in like the gaps of like what's missing. Well, obviously
Speaker 1: sushi is a big gap, but breakfast like eggs, And
Speaker 1: that's why we made the vegan egg because we were like,
Speaker 1: you can't go out for breakfast and have breakfast if
Speaker 1: you can't eat eggs. Yeah, And I think it's areas
Speaker 1: like you know, when KFC opened next door, we were like, well,
Speaker 1: we need to obviously figure out some vegan fried chicken
Speaker 1: that actually tastes like chicken, actually has protein in it
Speaker 1: and isn't just Cashew's and you know, nutritionally not that great.
Speaker 1: And I think sushi is like the next step. It's like,
Speaker 1: what are things that are traditionally so meat based that
Speaker 1: no one can even kind of fathom how to do
Speaker 1: it otherwise?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's only one place in Sydney or I
Speaker 2: can get good sushi and I'm not I mean other
Speaker 2: than this year.
Speaker 3: I'm not usually in Sydney that often.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ida, if you as a book, sorry we've you know,
Speaker 2: we've just got off the track a bit.
Speaker 1: So guys, in three months time, when you see a
Speaker 1: vegan sushi train open, it's a joint Mitchell Davidson protect.
Speaker 3: To make sure you can get it rolling.
Speaker 1: Rolling. There's little train rolling, get it rolling. Or the
Speaker 1: last section, which is actually probably the easiest one for
Speaker 1: you and I love, we've actually already touched on it.
Speaker 1: It's play ta And this is the part where we
Speaker 1: separate people's identity from their work and find out what
Speaker 1: they do just for joy, which is usually a lot
Speaker 1: more difficult to get it out of them, particularly because
Speaker 1: I have the privilege of speaking to people who love
Speaker 1: their job, which means they often don't feel like they
Speaker 1: need anything outside. But I think, as we've talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, you're so much better at what you do
Speaker 1: when you take space away from it and let yourself
Speaker 1: just do things that make you forget what time it
Speaker 1: is and play. So other than Yu gi oh and Pokemon,
Speaker 1: what do you do? But this is the thing, right.
Speaker 1: So my podcast is called CZA because yeah is a
Speaker 1: juvenile word, and we take ourselves so seriously. You know,
Speaker 1: we've become really serious, boring adults and we lose it
Speaker 1: inner child. But I think being a big kid is
Speaker 1: what this section is about.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So things I like love to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like that's not productive. So I think we
Speaker 1: don't give ourselves time to waste time, if that makes sense,
Speaker 1: like watch TV or read a book, or do puzzles
Speaker 1: or just stuff that you do that's purely for joy.
Speaker 3: Well, don't judge anyone listening.
Speaker 1: We're all judging.
Speaker 3: So it's always been my dream to move to Spain
Speaker 3: at the end of my career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to disappear and get off social
Speaker 2: media and just like fully immerse myself in Spanish culture.
Speaker 2: So I'm learning Spanish. It's like I love watching Spanish
Speaker 2: TV shows and movies. That's like my number one thing
Speaker 2: at the moment. And then I love playing piano when
Speaker 2: I'm home and hours on the piano and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're so focused on it and just like
Speaker 2: playing songs that you forget that the world even exists.
Speaker 3: Yeah. My final thing is sudoku. I don't really want.
Speaker 1: To admit it, but it is no babe, you have
Speaker 1: no idea. If I wasn't wearing pajamas and I don't
Speaker 1: want to get up and show you my pajamas, I
Speaker 1: would go and get you all the sudoku books that
Speaker 1: are under my pillow.
Speaker 3: Really, oh my, how much fun?
Speaker 2: Is this?
Speaker 1: So much fun? Do you know what it is? So
Speaker 1: I think when people are struggling to figure out what
Speaker 1: their platia is, I try and like get them to
Speaker 1: think about when they forget what time it is. And
Speaker 1: the only things that pull your brain in that much
Speaker 1: that you forget, like you disconnect from when you are
Speaker 1: and where you are are things that require enough concentration
Speaker 1: like Sudoku, like your problem solving, that you can't be
Speaker 1: doing anything else at the same time. But they're not
Speaker 1: so hard that you get tired.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Literally, I love it. Like I always have a book
Speaker 2: in my bag when I'm traveling, like always.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, they're picking up.
Speaker 2: On it because now the books are getting prettier and
Speaker 2: they've got like different graphics, and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I need every book because because esthetically to me, they're
Speaker 2: so pleasing halfway through the first one, let me give
Speaker 2: me a break.
Speaker 1: But then sometimes I get to the point where, like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you just want to win, you just
Speaker 1: do an easy one. When you want a bit of
Speaker 1: a challenge, you do a medium one. And some days
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just want you know, I want my
Speaker 1: mind to be stretched myself, and I'll go straight to
Speaker 1: a hard one. But I'll get to the point where
Speaker 1: I just can't get any further and I'll throw the
Speaker 1: book and be like fuck this like and I'll go
Speaker 1: back to easy so I can finish it the.
Speaker 3: Back of the I'm just gonna have a peak.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the answer is just need.
Speaker 3: One number and then I'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do the exact same thing that it's like
Speaker 2: easy when you just don't a thing medium, when you do.
Speaker 3: A challenge, prove myself, I'm going to go straight to
Speaker 3: the elite lift. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never last on elite. I never last. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is I don't want it to be this hard,
Speaker 1: Like I want a challenge, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: feel like totally you know, a moron. Second last question,
Speaker 1: what are three interesting things about you that don't normally
Speaker 1: come up in conversation.
Speaker 3: Really interesting things.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have neffer t as a tattoo. I
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone loves it. I've attached on the inside of
Speaker 2: my lips. It surprises people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, also because they don't last right.
Speaker 2: Well they do apparently because mine's still there and I
Speaker 2: got it when I was nineteen. Let your teeth rubs,
Speaker 2: so do rub it not. I'm like, oh, if that's
Speaker 2: the case, let's just get yo. Now I'm stuck with YO.
Speaker 3: Show me.
Speaker 1: You always such a good one. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 2: I was at the dentisty the other day and he
Speaker 2: was like, what what is tattoo?
Speaker 3: This fixed?
Speaker 1: Just let me alone, don't look, don't judge, do your job.
Speaker 1: But you know what, because people think that they dissolve
Speaker 1: after six months, people think you got that recently, so
Speaker 1: we're all judging you as if you got it now.
Speaker 3: Literally, it didn't hurt at all. It was the weirdest feeling.
Speaker 3: It was just like, I don't even like, not even
Speaker 3: a scratch. Very interesting.
Speaker 2: Like if I had known that would be the pain,
Speaker 2: I definitely would have something.
Speaker 1: Else, which is good because you probably would have got
Speaker 1: like a full like character like a like a Pokemon
Speaker 1: on the inside, like a Bulbosare or something.
Speaker 2: That'd actually be better because I've got Yo with an
Speaker 2: exclamation mark, so people think it says yolo and the
Speaker 2: other O just rubbed off.
Speaker 3: If you it doesn't say Yolo, I'm dumb. I'm not
Speaker 3: that dumb.
Speaker 1: I'm Yo dumb. I'm not Yolo dumb like those levels
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, literally, I'm not.
Speaker 1: That should be in your bio on Instagram. Well that's
Speaker 1: a good one. What are two other random interesting facts?
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is interesting, but at the
Speaker 2: start of the year, I like literally broke like four
Speaker 2: of my toes what playing NERF guns. Then I smacked
Speaker 2: one on the side of the door, and then from
Speaker 2: running in shoes that were too small because I forgot
Speaker 2: some snakers, And I'm like, it's even interesting.
Speaker 3: It's just disgusting, But it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: You're an that you rely on having like non broken.
Speaker 2: Toes, Like yeah, like I said, I had never been injured,
Speaker 2: and then I get this achilles injury and break like
Speaker 2: four of my toes.
Speaker 1: Being also such an idiot that you broke them all separately.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like one fall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like when I had to tell my coach. The
Speaker 2: first time was playing with nerf Guds. She saw red.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I don't think I can run
Speaker 2: for a few days. And now all the toenails are.
Speaker 3: Falling off, so gross. Another interesting thing, actually I have
Speaker 3: nine there's nine of us.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I was thinking about it the other day.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is interesting about me? And every time
Speaker 2: I tell people that there's nine of us because obviously
Speaker 2: people and me ever really see Brittany my like.
Speaker 3: She's like my best friend, but she's my younger sister. Like, no,
Speaker 3: there's nine. There's what two boys and seven girls?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So Christmas you're like, actually broke?
Speaker 3: No, no, we all Yeah, one's like four in a chuka.
Speaker 3: Then there's us three chuca Yeah random, so random, right,
Speaker 3: But yeah, so there's nine of us, all like half.
Speaker 2: But then I had my two full sisters, Live and
Speaker 2: brit and we're all of your apart and I in
Speaker 2: the middle child. Wow.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. Oh well, last question, because I love
Speaker 1: quotes so much, as I mentioned, what's your favorite quote?
Speaker 3: My favorite quote is you don't know if you don't try.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That's so you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just like, oh, fuck it, let's just
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I love it. So this whole thing, like platia,
Speaker 1: the whole thing of figuring out what you love to do.
Speaker 1: Like so many people, particularly when I was a lawyer,
Speaker 1: so many people would be like, I just don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm passionate about. And I'd be like, well, what
Speaker 1: have you tried? And They'd be like, well, nothing except
Speaker 1: what I do. And I'm like, mate, you're not going
Speaker 1: to figure out what you're joyful and passionate about if
Speaker 1: you don't just try random shit. So I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what kind of law if you don't have me
Speaker 3: asking me?
Speaker 1: I did Mergen acquisitions, so really corporate like shares and
Speaker 1: yeah that's impressive. Just a lot of paper pushing.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah wow. How long did you do that?
Speaker 1: For four years?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? And then were you just like not
Speaker 3: want to try something else?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So it's such a long story, but there it was
Speaker 1: a total accident. I went to Africa, got a parasite,
Speaker 1: got really sick, couldn't drink coffee, discovered Matcher because I
Speaker 1: could have the caffeine, and then needed some for myself
Speaker 1: and my husband and I bought some. It arrived, it
Speaker 1: was two million serves too many for two people to
Speaker 1: consume by the due date, and so we started selling
Speaker 1: it and then it just took off and we got
Speaker 1: into urban outfitters in the US. I had to leave
Speaker 1: my job to be able to fulfill that order, and
Speaker 1: I went from like having a ten year plan to
Speaker 1: having not even a ten minute plan, just sort of
Speaker 1: being like, ah, trying to survive. And then a year
Speaker 1: after that where you started Match of Milk Bar, and
Speaker 1: then a year after that started the podcast and have
Speaker 1: just sort of been on this Like that's where CZA
Speaker 1: came from. The whole idea that people who are really
Speaker 1: unhappy with where they are, they'll inevitably reach a turning
Speaker 1: point and they've changed their life because it's too uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: But if you're just blah, like if you just got
Speaker 1: a good job, you get paid, you've got stability, you
Speaker 1: often don't ask any more questions. And that was me.
Speaker 1: I would never have left because I was like, I
Speaker 1: kind of like suits, I'm kind of Megan Markle. It's
Speaker 1: kind of fine. But by accident I realized, actually, I'm
Speaker 1: way more creative.
Speaker 3: And I'm that's so awesome.
Speaker 1: I love people and I love storytelling, and I would
Speaker 1: never have known that unless I just went and tried
Speaker 1: something different, which is why that quote for me is like,
Speaker 1: that's what this show is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, shout out to the parasite.
Speaker 1: Shout out to go and get a parasite and see
Speaker 1: what happens. You drink coffee now, and yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: also but I didn't for like six years. I had
Speaker 1: a drain of fatigue really badly, and so I had
Speaker 1: to quit alcohol, coffee, anything that was a real stimulant
Speaker 1: for your body, so like refined sugar. I had to
Speaker 1: just go and super super clean diet, lots of like
Speaker 1: naturalropathy like a puncture. Yeah, big health kick for like
Speaker 1: six years and then slowly sort of started to reintegrate
Speaker 1: normal things. Yeah rats, thanks man, says the Olympian.
Speaker 3: Honestly, when you really think about it, it's just running.
Speaker 1: Like anyone can do it, anyone cannot do it, or
Speaker 1: anyone anyone can run. That's true. Not everyone can run
Speaker 1: in the Olympics'.
Speaker 3: It's just too I love itak it down.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining and being such
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air. Like what an absolute legend.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh this has been so much fun, and we'll be
Speaker 1: following you so keenly in Tokyo, like partly for the running,
Speaker 1: partly for the after party. I just want to hear
Speaker 1: all about the party at the end.
Speaker 3: Mexico. Let's be honest, that's where it starts.
Speaker 1: Oh, you legend, Thank you so much, Thank you having
Speaker 1: new days Sarah again, I can't believe this woman is
Speaker 1: only twenty six and he's so relaxed and level headed
Speaker 1: about her incredible success on the world stage. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: getting to know her so much, and like I said
Speaker 1: at the beginning, truly hope I get to spend some
Speaker 1: more time with her in the future. And I hope
Speaker 1: she entertained you guys as much as she did for me.
Speaker 1: As always, please let her know what you enjoyed or
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