WEBVTT - Chef's Kiss

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and waters.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast is recorded on the power of this sisterhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it glorious? Female friendships can really be the true

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<v Speaker 2>great loves of our lives. Lucy certainly felt it with

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<v Speaker 2>her bestie Holly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd never really had a girlfriend like that before. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's something about female friendship that just like kills my

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<v Speaker 1>heart dead, Like it's just so special, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the relatability of everything. And I'd say, actually, soul sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>The best thing about a girlfriend. They're there through everything,

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<v Speaker 2>the good times and the bad, all the hurt and

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<v Speaker 2>the harps, unless, of course they're the one who caused them.

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<v Speaker 1>The last thing that I ever said to her was

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<v Speaker 1>I know that you believe in karma. She just went

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<v Speaker 1>really silent, and then she hung up with me, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Georgia Love and this is everyone has an ex

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<v Speaker 2>Come with me as we dive into a collection of

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<v Speaker 2>unconventional stories about relationships past through the eyes and the

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<v Speaker 2>hearts of the very people who lived them. Today, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>taking you back to nineteen ninety seven, the year Princess

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<v Speaker 2>Diana died, the very first Harry Potter book was published,

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<v Speaker 2>and Titanic happened the movie, not the sinking, and well

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<v Speaker 2>before Facebook, Instagram or any of the dating apps existed.

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<v Speaker 2>So when Lucy met Tony, it was well and truly

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<v Speaker 2>in the old fashioned way.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in the far North Coast but moved

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<v Speaker 1>down south to get an apprenticeship as a chef. All

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do is travel, So I thought, if

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<v Speaker 1>I can be a chef, I can use that to travel.

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<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, I got myself an apprenticeship and every

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night him and his mates would come in for dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually we just started chatting and then one night

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<v Speaker 1>we went out for drinks. He was like so hot

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<v Speaker 1>and so funny and witty, and he just was like

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<v Speaker 1>unlike anyone I'd ever met before, and the feeling was

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<v Speaker 1>like very mutual. He was a year older than me,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was also an apprenticeship, so we kind of

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<v Speaker 1>clicked over that and talked about chefing and stuff and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that night we just went out and just it

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<v Speaker 1>was just on. It was really cool, just like that

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, um, like any man I'd ever met before.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just we would talk light and dark, deep,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, he was really funny and witty, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd white stay up and watch Q and A. And

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like a really mature relationship to me, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is what grabbed me. But he could also be

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<v Speaker 1>a massive dicker like me, and we could take the

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<v Speaker 1>piss out of each other and it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>really fun It was just exciting. It really excited me

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<v Speaker 1>being with him. We'd only been together for like six

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<v Speaker 1>months and we just started to move in and it

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<v Speaker 1>was perfect. We had this little home. We were like

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<v Speaker 1>all set up. My parents loved him, his parents loved me.

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<v Speaker 1>It was cool. He was like, obviously the first man

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<v Speaker 1>I'd ever lived with. So he was very domesticated, which

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<v Speaker 1>I was really impressed with. He would always put the

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<v Speaker 1>toilet seat down, like what, just little things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought he's emotionally mature, and that's for me,

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<v Speaker 1>was a big thing. Yeah, he was just yeah, really,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a really cool guy. It was a really

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful little love that we had. After about six months

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<v Speaker 1>of living together, I started getting restless at the restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>that I was at, so I applied for a role

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<v Speaker 1>in the city that was closest to us, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the top restaurant at the time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got the job. So we moved into the city and

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<v Speaker 1>started a new life. For me, it was a dream

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<v Speaker 1>come true. Like I was just a small country girl

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<v Speaker 1>who had big dreams and I went for the big

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<v Speaker 1>one and I got it. And yeah, he was super supportive,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't want the relationship to suffer or to

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<v Speaker 1>lose the relationship, so he kind of followed me in

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, he ended up getting a job at another

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<v Speaker 1>top hotel, and so yeah, we were kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>just cruising this insane wave. It was like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>was so young and our dreams were so big, but

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<v Speaker 1>nothing could stop us. And it's just really good times.

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<v Speaker 2>And they really were good times. Anyone who's worked in hospitality,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in their early twenties, well know.

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<v Speaker 1>You start working like say two two thirty and then

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<v Speaker 1>finish up service, clean up the kitchen, and by ten

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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty you ready to go, and there's nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do at that time and you are wide awake, your

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<v Speaker 1>buzz from like the adrenaline of a bus service, and

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<v Speaker 1>so realistically, the only thing to do as a group

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<v Speaker 1>of people who will all work together is to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a pub or a bar and you start doing

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<v Speaker 1>that and then that just becomes the norm, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you don't start again till two o'clock the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>So going to bed early is not a problem. You're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, yeah, let's keep going, let's whatever. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you formed some really great relationships, really great friendships. We

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<v Speaker 1>both made new friends, and we got to a stage

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<v Speaker 1>where we were so comfortable with each other and so

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<v Speaker 1>happy with each other that we didn't really need to

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<v Speaker 1>look outwards, if that makes sense. We were just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of cozy in our home and our bond and all

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<v Speaker 1>the other noise around was just that it was just noise.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't kind of if that makes sense, Like, I yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like there was a lot of with all

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<v Speaker 1>the partying and stuff, there was a lot of gossip.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you could say. That would go around and

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<v Speaker 1>we would just laugh at it and get back to

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<v Speaker 1>our own thing. You know. People would describe us as

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<v Speaker 1>tight and probably unstoppable. I would say, just very in love,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, really in love with each other, and yeah, happy.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just so happy. It was just so exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>and we both would meet up after work, we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about service, and then all of our friends would come

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<v Speaker 1>and then it would just get rowdy, and but I

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<v Speaker 1>would always look over and he would always be watching,

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<v Speaker 1>not a stalker, but just lovingly like you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>vice versa. It was like everyone knew that we were

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<v Speaker 1>in love. And he worked at this one and I

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<v Speaker 1>worked at that one, and just yeah, it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was just so cool, like, you know, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>life that I didn't actually dream that I would have,

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<v Speaker 1>and here it was. You know, it was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of fun. There was a group of us. There was

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<v Speaker 1>probably like up to ten people, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them I'm still friends with. There was one girl, Holly,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was she was so vibrant and she was,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, a people magnet. So she was always

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene. And it wasn't even if she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>with us, she was with another group of hospay people,

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<v Speaker 1>but she was always around and she was always hooking

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<v Speaker 1>up with different dudes. It was this confidence that she exuded.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, she's cool, Like I want to

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<v Speaker 1>hang around her. And she was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>She actually got an apprenticeship at the same restaurant, the

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<v Speaker 1>Shiny One that I was working at, and we just

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<v Speaker 1>clicked from day one. She brought this warmth about her.

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<v Speaker 1>She was very, very confident, very beautiful, but not in

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<v Speaker 1>an obvious way. She yeah. So we just started hanging out,

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<v Speaker 1>and then over time we just became best mates. I'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>actually saw sisters, and you know, my family were obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with her, and it was like I'd never really had

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<v Speaker 1>a girlfriend like that before. And there's something about female

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<v Speaker 1>friendship that just kills my heart dead, like it's just

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<v Speaker 1>so special, and you know, the relatability of everything, and

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<v Speaker 1>we just take the piss out of each other all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and it was okay. It was just fun

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<v Speaker 1>and banterish, and she very quickly became one of my

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<v Speaker 1>best mates. She introduced me to so many other people.

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<v Speaker 1>She was from there, so she would take me horse

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<v Speaker 1>riding and would just show me new beaches and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like we're the little girls that had found each

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<v Speaker 1>other and we were playful and fun, just so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just loved being around her. She had the

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<v Speaker 1>personality that everyone just wanted to be around her. The

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<v Speaker 1>amount of times that we would be just close to

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor laughing, you know, just that joy, that

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<v Speaker 1>real joy. I think That's what got me the most

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<v Speaker 1>was the joy that she brought to me. All three

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<v Speaker 1>of us were like peas in the pot, same sense

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<v Speaker 1>of humor, same kind of outgoing nature. We loved anything active, snowboarding, bodyboarding, bodysurfing, riding,

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<v Speaker 1>pushes around the beach, skateboarding, like you name it, we

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<v Speaker 1>would into it. And the three of us did have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun together. And mainly it was Tony

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<v Speaker 1>not mocking, but you know, taking the piss out of

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<v Speaker 1>her for all the dudes that she would sleep with.

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<v Speaker 1>She had a bit of a routine, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>where she would massage guys with her own massage oil

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<v Speaker 1>and if she had that in a bag, you knew

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<v Speaker 1>it was on. So, yeah, the three of us were

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<v Speaker 1>just really good mates. He definitely was the third Whell.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy and Tony and now Holly just had the best life.

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<v Speaker 2>But after a few years, bigger and better jobs in

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<v Speaker 2>bigger and better cities came calling.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd actually moved to Sydney and we both started in

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<v Speaker 1>even better restaurants, and again we'd found a crew down

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<v Speaker 1>here that was fun and everything. But the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>was that both Tony and I wanted to travel and

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to go to Canada for the snowboarding and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, cool, I'm in. So we left our

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<v Speaker 1>little life and packed it all up and put into

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<v Speaker 1>a storage container and spent the first three months. We

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<v Speaker 1>flew into the East coast, bought a three point fifty

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<v Speaker 1>gmc hotted up car, and we drove from Toronto up

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<v Speaker 1>to Montreal and then across the coast to Whistler. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember when we were on the plane and we like

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<v Speaker 1>looked at each other and we had the biggest grins

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<v Speaker 1>on our face, like we are actually doing this, Like

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about it for so long, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>just like stoked to little kids, you know, just like

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<v Speaker 1>ah shit, we're here. We made a really tight group

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<v Speaker 1>of friends over there, another couple, and these were all

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<v Speaker 1>in the same restaurant that we worked at, the same

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<v Speaker 1>restaurant together. There was about twelve of us and we

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<v Speaker 1>would yeah, just go snowboarding every day and cooking and

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<v Speaker 1>then partying, and then it was just on repeat.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucy and Tony did the whole travel, work party thing

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<v Speaker 2>for a year and loved every minute, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>never going to be forever.

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<v Speaker 1>My older sister announced that she was pregnant and I

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<v Speaker 1>very tight with my family and I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>miss the birth. He really wanted to stay, He really

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go down through the States into Mexico, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was just I just wanted to be home. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it had been a year, and like I said, I

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<v Speaker 1>did not want to miss the birth. And yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>we moved back to the city that we met in

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<v Speaker 1>or first lived in, and basically caught up with all

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<v Speaker 1>of our old friends and resumed life as it was

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<v Speaker 1>pre Canada. I took over a restaurant in the original

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<v Speaker 1>town that we were at, and over time he eventually

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<v Speaker 1>became my soux chef, so second in charge, and then

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<v Speaker 1>after a little while, Holly became my line chef, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my line chefs, and so the three of us

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<v Speaker 1>were just back on dick as thieves. She'd been out

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<v Speaker 1>of town, so she'd come back and we just reformed

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<v Speaker 1>that connection we'd had years ago, and man, we just

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<v Speaker 1>started having fun again and it was all great, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 1>There was distinct shift in his attitude. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to be back where we were, but he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't vocal about it. There was a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a spark gone. And I do think we had worked

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<v Speaker 1>so hard to prove it to ourselves that we could

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<v Speaker 1>get over there, and we did it. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>he just wanted to keep traveling and I did too.

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<v Speaker 1>But again I was like, we've got a baby coming,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is huge, And yeah, he just wasn't hisself.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to explain. He was just very he was

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more drawn back. He retreated to the pubs

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<v Speaker 1>to play the pokeis a lot, which was really concerning

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<v Speaker 1>for me. But I couldn't control it. I couldn't control him.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd been together for five years at this point, and

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<v Speaker 2>there was one big thing on Lucy's mind.

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<v Speaker 1>When we were first together, we'd always talked about having kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was always open to the idea of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But we were so young and we had other plans

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<v Speaker 1>to do, you know, we had other travels and adventures

0:14:23.490 --> 0:14:27.930
<v Speaker 1>to experience. But then over the course of when we

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<v Speaker 1>got back from Canada, it was a distinct shift in

0:14:33.570 --> 0:14:35.930
<v Speaker 1>what he wanted said he didn't want to bring kids

0:14:35.930 --> 0:14:40.530
<v Speaker 1>into this world. I think maybe I pushed too hard.

0:14:41.850 --> 0:14:44.370
<v Speaker 1>I thought that if we just traveled some more, we

0:14:44.370 --> 0:14:47.210
<v Speaker 1>were still so young. If we traveled some more and

0:14:48.570 --> 0:14:50.810
<v Speaker 1>kind of got that travel bug out of his system,

0:14:51.050 --> 0:14:55.690
<v Speaker 1>maybe that would suffice. And I truly believed that it

0:14:55.730 --> 0:14:58.610
<v Speaker 1>was all going to be okay and that we were

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<v Speaker 1>going to stay together and make that family and have

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<v Speaker 1>that life by the house, you know, the whole dream

0:15:05.810 --> 0:15:09.250
<v Speaker 1>that you know a lot of women want. And I thought,

0:15:09.290 --> 0:15:10.610
<v Speaker 1>I think to myself, well, what am I going to

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<v Speaker 1>do with my life? There was definitely an undercurrent within

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<v Speaker 1>me that was swelling through me that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>travel by myself before I had a baby. And yeah,

0:15:22.850 --> 0:15:25.450
<v Speaker 1>I knew I wouldn't forgive myself if I didn't do it.

0:15:25.850 --> 0:15:28.210
<v Speaker 1>So that's when I kind of patched this idea to

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<v Speaker 1>do a little bit of around the world by myself

0:15:31.450 --> 0:15:35.010
<v Speaker 1>and then meet Tony over there after three months in

0:15:35.050 --> 0:15:40.810
<v Speaker 1>the UK. So I planned a trip to Mexico by myself.

0:15:41.370 --> 0:15:46.410
<v Speaker 1>Three months Mexico, Central America, New York, London. It was

0:15:46.450 --> 0:15:48.130
<v Speaker 1>decided that he would come and meet me in London.

0:15:48.370 --> 0:15:50.370
<v Speaker 1>We get our work visas we do to use there

0:15:51.170 --> 0:15:55.610
<v Speaker 1>take it from there. I always wanted to do some

0:15:55.690 --> 0:15:58.770
<v Speaker 1>kind of travel by myself, and I just I knew

0:15:58.770 --> 0:16:01.490
<v Speaker 1>that if I didn't get out of my system. I

0:16:01.530 --> 0:16:05.090
<v Speaker 1>would never forgive myself. It was just an important thing

0:16:05.130 --> 0:16:12.090
<v Speaker 1>for me to do. So what happened is he became

0:16:12.130 --> 0:16:16.530
<v Speaker 1>the head chef and Holly became his soux chef, and

0:16:18.210 --> 0:16:22.210
<v Speaker 1>we all thought that was an awesome plan, just because

0:16:22.210 --> 0:16:24.690
<v Speaker 1>they worked so well together and she knew what she

0:16:24.810 --> 0:16:28.450
<v Speaker 1>was doing and I could trust, you know that they'd

0:16:28.450 --> 0:16:31.370
<v Speaker 1>be fine. We'd been together about seven and a half

0:16:31.450 --> 0:16:34.930
<v Speaker 1>years at this point, and I was really worried about

0:16:34.930 --> 0:16:38.770
<v Speaker 1>how he was going to be because he'd never really

0:16:38.810 --> 0:16:44.970
<v Speaker 1>been alone. I said to her, please look after Tony

0:16:45.010 --> 0:16:47.850
<v Speaker 1>because I'm really worried about him, and she was like,

0:16:47.890 --> 0:16:50.330
<v Speaker 1>of course, of course, and then you know, we gave

0:16:50.330 --> 0:16:53.210
<v Speaker 1>our hugs and it was a hard goodbye because I

0:16:53.250 --> 0:16:54.970
<v Speaker 1>wasn't sure when I was going to see her again.

0:16:55.650 --> 0:16:59.330
<v Speaker 2>So off she went. But it didn't start out exactly

0:16:59.410 --> 0:16:59.970
<v Speaker 2>as planned.

0:17:01.050 --> 0:17:05.970
<v Speaker 1>I flew into Mexico City and I went to Wahaka,

0:17:06.010 --> 0:17:11.210
<v Speaker 1>which is silver jewelry town, beautiful, beautiful, and then went

0:17:11.250 --> 0:17:14.170
<v Speaker 1>down to Porco and then from there I made my

0:17:14.250 --> 0:17:17.210
<v Speaker 1>way down to Porto Escondido, which is a little surfing village.

0:17:18.010 --> 0:17:23.530
<v Speaker 1>So it was mainly surfers, backpackers and locals and I

0:17:23.570 --> 0:17:27.570
<v Speaker 1>stayed in this hostel anyway. It was my third night there.

0:17:27.570 --> 0:17:31.170
<v Speaker 1>It was a Saturday night and there was a group

0:17:31.210 --> 0:17:35.690
<v Speaker 1>of English backpackers, the lads, and they wanted me to

0:17:35.690 --> 0:17:39.090
<v Speaker 1>go and watch the football and then the girls are like, yeah,

0:17:39.130 --> 0:17:43.450
<v Speaker 1>come on party, and I don't know what came over

0:17:43.570 --> 0:17:46.130
<v Speaker 1>me or what had happened. I was like, no, I'm

0:17:46.170 --> 0:17:48.130
<v Speaker 1>just going to go to bed, which is not me.

0:17:49.130 --> 0:17:53.050
<v Speaker 1>So at seven point thirty on a Saturday night, I

0:17:53.130 --> 0:17:56.250
<v Speaker 1>went to bed. I woke up the next morning and

0:17:56.330 --> 0:17:59.530
<v Speaker 1>lent over to get my phone and I couldn't feel

0:17:59.570 --> 0:18:02.170
<v Speaker 1>anything on my bedside table and I was like, what

0:18:02.290 --> 0:18:06.210
<v Speaker 1>is going on? And I like opened my eyes and

0:18:06.250 --> 0:18:08.490
<v Speaker 1>it was empty. And then I looked under my bed

0:18:08.530 --> 0:18:11.610
<v Speaker 1>when my backpack was and every single thing that I've

0:18:11.690 --> 0:18:16.610
<v Speaker 1>when overseas with was gone. I was surprisingly calm. I

0:18:16.770 --> 0:18:19.290
<v Speaker 1>fell on my mom's birthday back in Australia, so I

0:18:19.290 --> 0:18:20.810
<v Speaker 1>was like, I can't call home. I don't want to

0:18:20.850 --> 0:18:24.530
<v Speaker 1>ruin her day. So Doris gave me five hundred paces,

0:18:25.010 --> 0:18:27.290
<v Speaker 1>the boys gave me beers, and the girls gave me

0:18:27.330 --> 0:18:30.530
<v Speaker 1>some clothes. Obviously, I phoned Tony and he was like,

0:18:30.530 --> 0:18:33.570
<v Speaker 1>you've got to come home, like that's crazy, and I'm like, look,

0:18:34.570 --> 0:18:38.530
<v Speaker 1>no one hurt me, it's just stuff. And I don't

0:18:38.570 --> 0:18:41.490
<v Speaker 1>want to ruin this trip because of one bad incident,

0:18:41.610 --> 0:18:43.850
<v Speaker 1>you know. So yeah, I left it a couple of

0:18:43.890 --> 0:18:49.730
<v Speaker 1>days and then called the parents get home now. I's like, no,

0:18:49.770 --> 0:18:52.890
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna you know, same thing with Tony. It's fine.

0:18:53.530 --> 0:18:56.650
<v Speaker 1>So I jumped on a bus back to Mexico City

0:18:57.050 --> 0:19:01.930
<v Speaker 1>with not a shred of IDA on me. They issued

0:19:01.970 --> 0:19:06.410
<v Speaker 1>me an emergency passport and I stayed in Porto for

0:19:07.170 --> 0:19:10.210
<v Speaker 1>I think close to four weeks, just because I had

0:19:10.250 --> 0:19:14.090
<v Speaker 1>to order stuff, you know, backpack, you know, clothes, everything.

0:19:15.010 --> 0:19:16.850
<v Speaker 1>And then when I was there, I met this girl

0:19:16.930 --> 0:19:19.930
<v Speaker 1>and we became really really good mates, and she ended

0:19:20.010 --> 0:19:23.770
<v Speaker 1>up coming with me down through Honduras and down to

0:19:23.810 --> 0:19:29.090
<v Speaker 1>Costa Rica. And then the whole time though I was yearning,

0:19:29.690 --> 0:19:33.970
<v Speaker 1>really yearning Tony, and so I decided to skip New

0:19:34.050 --> 0:19:38.530
<v Speaker 1>York and go straight to London so that could like

0:19:38.770 --> 0:19:41.970
<v Speaker 1>speed up the time that he would get there. And

0:19:42.130 --> 0:19:46.810
<v Speaker 1>over the time that I was in Central America, I

0:19:46.890 --> 0:19:51.250
<v Speaker 1>recall like a distinct pulling back almost not as many emails,

0:19:51.370 --> 0:19:56.330
<v Speaker 1>not as many, and I put it down to him

0:19:56.450 --> 0:19:59.130
<v Speaker 1>just kind of trying to get on with his life

0:19:59.210 --> 0:20:02.450
<v Speaker 1>and stop because he would always tell me how much

0:20:02.490 --> 0:20:04.690
<v Speaker 1>he'd miss me and stuff. I got the job in

0:20:04.770 --> 0:20:08.730
<v Speaker 1>a bar, and I met beautiful people and we had,

0:20:08.930 --> 0:20:11.850
<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of fun, but I just wanted

0:20:11.890 --> 0:20:15.730
<v Speaker 1>to be home with him, or him with me over here.

0:20:17.090 --> 0:20:19.130
<v Speaker 1>And one day I said, look, I think I'm just

0:20:19.130 --> 0:20:21.490
<v Speaker 1>going to come back and surprise you one day. And

0:20:21.490 --> 0:20:23.210
<v Speaker 1>he was like, don't do that. You know, I don't

0:20:23.250 --> 0:20:27.610
<v Speaker 1>like surprises. Do not do that. And I said, look,

0:20:28.010 --> 0:20:29.770
<v Speaker 1>why aren't you excited about this. He's like, I can't

0:20:29.810 --> 0:20:31.050
<v Speaker 1>afford it.

0:20:31.050 --> 0:20:32.850
<v Speaker 2>It meaning coming to London.

0:20:34.730 --> 0:20:37.170
<v Speaker 1>It was just before Christmas, and I was like, I

0:20:37.170 --> 0:20:41.130
<v Speaker 1>can't do this anymore. I'd been a way around five months.

0:20:41.410 --> 0:20:43.890
<v Speaker 1>I was just missing him too much and I had

0:20:43.890 --> 0:20:46.130
<v Speaker 1>to go home and see him. So I jumped on

0:20:46.170 --> 0:20:50.250
<v Speaker 1>a plane and away I went. Yeah. So I remember

0:20:50.410 --> 0:20:55.130
<v Speaker 1>rocking up to our old flat and he opened the

0:20:55.130 --> 0:21:00.290
<v Speaker 1>door and he pulled me in and pushed me against

0:21:00.330 --> 0:21:02.250
<v Speaker 1>the wall in a way that he'd never done before,

0:21:02.930 --> 0:21:05.650
<v Speaker 1>like to hug me. And he just hugged me and

0:21:05.690 --> 0:21:10.090
<v Speaker 1>sobbed and sobbed and sobbed, and I've missed you so much.

0:21:11.010 --> 0:21:14.050
<v Speaker 1>I can't really remember much more about that except to

0:21:14.050 --> 0:21:19.330
<v Speaker 1>say that it was a weird hello for us. Anyway,

0:21:19.650 --> 0:21:22.770
<v Speaker 1>went into the lund room and his mattress was on

0:21:22.810 --> 0:21:26.770
<v Speaker 1>the floor out there, and I was like what He's like, Oh,

0:21:26.770 --> 0:21:29.210
<v Speaker 1>I've just been watching TV out here. It's just easier.

0:21:30.610 --> 0:21:34.250
<v Speaker 1>And the place looked it was just a mess, and

0:21:34.290 --> 0:21:38.330
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what is going on? Like just all the

0:21:38.410 --> 0:21:43.330
<v Speaker 1>pieces of the puzzle just weren't fitting. And so he

0:21:43.370 --> 0:21:46.530
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't kiss me, definitely was not going to have sex

0:21:46.570 --> 0:21:49.090
<v Speaker 1>with me. He just wanted to talk about my trip

0:21:49.210 --> 0:21:54.370
<v Speaker 1>the whole time, and I just was like, I don't understand.

0:21:54.490 --> 0:21:58.850
<v Speaker 1>Like in my mind, I was like it was like

0:21:58.890 --> 0:22:00.930
<v Speaker 1>there was a ghost in the house and he was

0:22:00.930 --> 0:22:03.730
<v Speaker 1>the ghost, Like he was just a shell of himself.

0:22:03.770 --> 0:22:10.130
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't I didn't know how to even approach

0:22:10.210 --> 0:22:13.370
<v Speaker 1>it because he was just so down. And so we

0:22:13.490 --> 0:22:17.010
<v Speaker 1>lasted like that for two days, and then one day

0:22:17.010 --> 0:22:20.570
<v Speaker 1>I went into the bathroom to find a find some

0:22:20.570 --> 0:22:24.250
<v Speaker 1>moisturizing cream and I opened up the bathroom cabinet and

0:22:26.050 --> 0:22:31.290
<v Speaker 1>it was like my head rolled off my body and

0:22:32.010 --> 0:22:36.610
<v Speaker 1>I was blind, like it was like being bludgeoned. And

0:22:36.650 --> 0:22:46.650
<v Speaker 1>I saw one of Holly's massage oils. So I picked

0:22:46.650 --> 0:22:49.690
<v Speaker 1>it up really calmly, which for me at that time

0:22:49.850 --> 0:22:54.210
<v Speaker 1>was not a thing. And I walked out and I said,

0:22:55.210 --> 0:22:59.530
<v Speaker 1>you've been fucking holy haven't you? And he just burst

0:22:59.530 --> 0:23:05.090
<v Speaker 1>out crying and he's like, yeah, yeah, I have. I

0:23:05.130 --> 0:23:09.970
<v Speaker 1>knew straightaway there was no other scenario that that would

0:23:09.970 --> 0:23:13.730
<v Speaker 1>be in that shelf, you know, there was just no reason,

0:23:14.530 --> 0:23:16.530
<v Speaker 1>and I just knew. And then I'm like, oh, that's

0:23:16.530 --> 0:23:19.050
<v Speaker 1>why the mattress is out there. He doesn't want it

0:23:19.050 --> 0:23:21.610
<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom. That's why you won't kiss me. That's

0:23:21.610 --> 0:23:23.770
<v Speaker 1>why I went up sex with me. It was all

0:23:23.930 --> 0:23:29.610
<v Speaker 1>very like, oh, it's like the dominoes just crashing. I

0:23:29.650 --> 0:23:32.850
<v Speaker 1>said to him, had this been going on before I left?

0:23:33.650 --> 0:23:37.850
<v Speaker 1>And he swears no, but really only they would know.

0:23:38.490 --> 0:23:43.810
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'll never know, but it's really doesn't matter.

0:23:43.850 --> 0:23:46.690
<v Speaker 1>It happened. And for two days it was back and forth,

0:23:46.770 --> 0:23:50.370
<v Speaker 1>me trying to understand what had happened and how and

0:23:50.370 --> 0:23:52.650
<v Speaker 1>when and why, And you know, when you're in it,

0:23:52.690 --> 0:23:56.050
<v Speaker 1>you want all those details, which are very bad for you,

0:23:56.610 --> 0:23:59.010
<v Speaker 1>but you just want to know as much as you can.

0:23:59.490 --> 0:24:01.130
<v Speaker 1>And it just got to the end of the two

0:24:01.210 --> 0:24:03.850
<v Speaker 1>days and he just said, look, we're going to be together,

0:24:04.570 --> 0:24:07.250
<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to move to NUSA, And that's kind

0:24:07.290 --> 0:24:11.490
<v Speaker 1>of it. She had moved to NUSA because she found

0:24:11.490 --> 0:24:14.450
<v Speaker 1>out that I was coming home. Yeah, so I didn't

0:24:14.530 --> 0:24:19.530
<v Speaker 1>know that until I got home, and she'd changed her number,

0:24:20.490 --> 0:24:22.730
<v Speaker 1>so she was well aware that there was going to

0:24:22.810 --> 0:24:28.970
<v Speaker 1>be a very upset person coming back to Australia. So

0:24:29.170 --> 0:24:33.410
<v Speaker 1>I basically begged Tony to give me the number and

0:24:33.450 --> 0:24:36.610
<v Speaker 1>I said, I just I just need some form of closure.

0:24:36.610 --> 0:24:40.610
<v Speaker 1>I just need to speak to her. And so I

0:24:40.690 --> 0:24:46.090
<v Speaker 1>called her and I just said, what the fuck? How

0:24:46.090 --> 0:24:49.290
<v Speaker 1>could you do this? And she's like, but you guys

0:24:49.290 --> 0:24:50.970
<v Speaker 1>were in trouble for a long time. And I'm like,

0:24:50.970 --> 0:24:54.890
<v Speaker 1>but it was never your place to jump in and

0:24:55.610 --> 0:24:59.850
<v Speaker 1>take it. It was never your place. And she just said,

0:24:59.850 --> 0:25:03.650
<v Speaker 1>you know, it just happened, and you know all the bullshit.

0:25:05.210 --> 0:25:07.570
<v Speaker 1>But I do remember the last thing that I ever

0:25:07.610 --> 0:25:11.090
<v Speaker 1>said to her was I know that you believe in karma.

0:25:11.890 --> 0:25:14.330
<v Speaker 1>She just went really silent, and then she hung over

0:25:14.330 --> 0:25:19.530
<v Speaker 1>with me, and that was that. It was brutal. I

0:25:19.650 --> 0:25:24.370
<v Speaker 1>left that day and I had my sister's car and

0:25:24.450 --> 0:25:28.290
<v Speaker 1>I sat in that driver's seat for thirty minutes, and

0:25:28.330 --> 0:25:30.850
<v Speaker 1>he was up at the balcony and I just looked

0:25:30.890 --> 0:25:33.730
<v Speaker 1>at him for thirty minutes, crying, and he just was

0:25:33.770 --> 0:25:38.770
<v Speaker 1>shaking his head and driving away. Obviously was I didn't

0:25:38.770 --> 0:25:40.010
<v Speaker 1>think that was going to be the last time I

0:25:40.010 --> 0:25:44.930
<v Speaker 1>saw him, but it was. I feel like that day

0:25:45.730 --> 0:25:48.810
<v Speaker 1>tilted my world on its axis just by one degree,

0:25:48.970 --> 0:25:51.050
<v Speaker 1>that nothing would ever be the same again for me.

0:25:52.130 --> 0:25:57.370
<v Speaker 1>I understand that we had had our problems, but what

0:25:57.450 --> 0:26:03.290
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't understand and I never will, was Holly being

0:26:03.330 --> 0:26:07.890
<v Speaker 1>able to do that, like literally allowing herself to do

0:26:07.970 --> 0:26:14.250
<v Speaker 1>that to her best mate. I retreated to my mom's

0:26:14.290 --> 0:26:20.490
<v Speaker 1>for six months, and I was a mess. I was

0:26:20.610 --> 0:26:24.450
<v Speaker 1>drinking too much. I felt like I was going crazy

0:26:25.330 --> 0:26:29.450
<v Speaker 1>because Tony and Holly were both kind of playing it

0:26:29.490 --> 0:26:33.570
<v Speaker 1>off like it's just happened, just you know, and it

0:26:33.610 --> 0:26:37.090
<v Speaker 1>consumed me. It was just sucker punch after suck a punch.

0:26:37.970 --> 0:26:43.370
<v Speaker 1>It's like, you don't just lose one person, you lose two.

0:26:43.610 --> 0:26:49.930
<v Speaker 1>That I You're everything, and the whole in my heart

0:26:50.570 --> 0:26:55.530
<v Speaker 1>was just so big. It changed me for sure. It

0:26:55.650 --> 0:27:00.370
<v Speaker 1>consumed me for years, this feeling of how could you

0:27:00.450 --> 0:27:08.770
<v Speaker 1>do that? I truly felt like I had an arm amputated,

0:27:09.090 --> 0:27:12.690
<v Speaker 1>and I was learning to live without that arm. You know,

0:27:12.770 --> 0:27:17.690
<v Speaker 1>it's your best mate, you confident, you go too. And

0:27:17.770 --> 0:27:20.730
<v Speaker 1>there was that element, But then there was also the

0:27:20.810 --> 0:27:25.490
<v Speaker 1>element of the other arms missing too, and those arms

0:27:26.250 --> 0:27:30.490
<v Speaker 1>are holding hands together like bad metaphor, but that's what

0:27:30.530 --> 0:27:32.890
<v Speaker 1>it was like. I'm like, they've got each other and

0:27:32.930 --> 0:27:35.650
<v Speaker 1>they're talking each other through all of this, or they're

0:27:35.690 --> 0:27:39.210
<v Speaker 1>ignoring it and pretending that nothing's wrong, and I'm here

0:27:39.570 --> 0:27:43.730
<v Speaker 1>just cocooned in this bubble of pain. Like it was

0:27:44.050 --> 0:27:48.570
<v Speaker 1>truly truly painful, the heartache where you can feel it

0:27:48.570 --> 0:27:52.290
<v Speaker 1>in your chest. It was horrible and it stayed with

0:27:52.330 --> 0:27:55.330
<v Speaker 1>me for a very long time, lost a piece of me,

0:27:55.850 --> 0:27:59.010
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know how to function without it. He

0:27:59.210 --> 0:28:02.530
<v Speaker 1>was all I knew. We got together in such formative years,

0:28:03.170 --> 0:28:07.730
<v Speaker 1>and we grew into adults together and not having him

0:28:08.330 --> 0:28:12.530
<v Speaker 1>part of my life and part of my family was

0:28:12.570 --> 0:28:17.290
<v Speaker 1>just truly devastating. And it's a pain that I never

0:28:17.490 --> 0:28:20.410
<v Speaker 1>ever want to feel again ever, And I would not

0:28:20.450 --> 0:28:24.410
<v Speaker 1>wish it on anyone. I mean, what happened. It's so cliched,

0:28:25.130 --> 0:28:29.090
<v Speaker 1>the friend and the partner, but until you truly walk it,

0:28:30.170 --> 0:28:35.090
<v Speaker 1>you can't describe to people. There are so many different layers.

0:28:35.370 --> 0:28:40.530
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's shame, there's embarrassment, there's hurt, there's jealousy.

0:28:40.930 --> 0:28:43.170
<v Speaker 1>You know, I was jealous of her for a long time.

0:28:44.050 --> 0:28:47.370
<v Speaker 1>The list is huge. When Tony and I were in Canada,

0:28:47.410 --> 0:28:50.810
<v Speaker 1>we traveled for a while with really good twin friends

0:28:50.850 --> 0:28:54.370
<v Speaker 1>of our and they knew Tony very well. One night

0:28:54.450 --> 0:28:56.850
<v Speaker 1>we all cried and they were like, we just can't

0:28:56.890 --> 0:28:59.970
<v Speaker 1>believe he did this, you know, like we've lost a

0:29:00.010 --> 0:29:03.730
<v Speaker 1>really good friend too. And you know, breakups aren't just

0:29:04.330 --> 0:29:07.770
<v Speaker 1>about the individuals, you know, they're far reaching. And it

0:29:07.850 --> 0:29:14.170
<v Speaker 1>was sad. I have my sister and my mom and

0:29:14.210 --> 0:29:18.090
<v Speaker 1>the friends like the twins, but they weren't her, And

0:29:18.130 --> 0:29:20.010
<v Speaker 1>it's like the only person that I know would make

0:29:20.050 --> 0:29:24.490
<v Speaker 1>me feel better is her. So I did a lot

0:29:24.490 --> 0:29:30.170
<v Speaker 1>of crying alone. I also went through my laptop and

0:29:30.290 --> 0:29:33.170
<v Speaker 1>deleted every single picture I ever had of her. I

0:29:33.210 --> 0:29:36.890
<v Speaker 1>didn't want any evidence of her. I just And it's funny,

0:29:36.930 --> 0:29:39.210
<v Speaker 1>because I'm usually quite a nostalgic person. I keep everything,

0:29:39.570 --> 0:29:43.370
<v Speaker 1>you know, notes and letters and which there was heaps

0:29:43.410 --> 0:29:46.290
<v Speaker 1>of from her, but I just I didn't want any

0:29:46.330 --> 0:29:51.810
<v Speaker 1>reminders because the other thing that happened was I compared

0:29:51.810 --> 0:29:57.090
<v Speaker 1>myself to her so much that it became, I think

0:29:57.210 --> 0:29:58.730
<v Speaker 1>a little bit sick for me.

0:30:00.610 --> 0:30:03.770
<v Speaker 2>Lucy couldn't keep living like this. Tony and Holly were gone,

0:30:04.010 --> 0:30:06.650
<v Speaker 2>taken off to their new life together without so much

0:30:06.730 --> 0:30:09.410
<v Speaker 2>as a glance back. But there were too many ghosts

0:30:09.410 --> 0:30:12.890
<v Speaker 2>in Lucy's life and even her career, so she decided

0:30:12.930 --> 0:30:16.690
<v Speaker 2>to pack her bags and start afresh again, this time

0:30:16.930 --> 0:30:18.650
<v Speaker 2>leaving Cheffing behind for good.

0:30:19.010 --> 0:30:20.890
<v Speaker 1>It was never going to be an industry where I

0:30:20.930 --> 0:30:24.450
<v Speaker 1>could have children. For me personally, that wasn't the lifestyle

0:30:24.490 --> 0:30:28.370
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be living with children, and I made

0:30:28.410 --> 0:30:30.810
<v Speaker 1>a decision that before I was thirty, I was going

0:30:30.890 --> 0:30:33.410
<v Speaker 1>to get out. And it was twenty nine and a

0:30:33.450 --> 0:30:38.690
<v Speaker 1>half when I got out. After six months, my younger

0:30:38.770 --> 0:30:41.890
<v Speaker 1>sister and I decided to move to Sydney start fresh.

0:30:42.850 --> 0:30:46.290
<v Speaker 1>The friend that I made in Mexico got me a

0:30:46.370 --> 0:30:52.370
<v Speaker 1>job in her advertising agency, which was so good for

0:30:52.490 --> 0:30:55.210
<v Speaker 1>my self esteem. I moved into something that when my

0:30:55.210 --> 0:30:59.730
<v Speaker 1>brain was being used and I felt valued. So I

0:30:59.850 --> 0:31:02.210
<v Speaker 1>built this really cool little life in Sydney. Had a

0:31:02.210 --> 0:31:05.730
<v Speaker 1>great group of friends, very social, got at gigs all

0:31:05.730 --> 0:31:08.850
<v Speaker 1>the time, just do really cool stuff. And even though

0:31:08.850 --> 0:31:12.730
<v Speaker 1>I loved it, they were always there. They were always

0:31:12.770 --> 0:31:15.210
<v Speaker 1>sitting on my shoulder. I was always thinking about them,

0:31:16.730 --> 0:31:20.050
<v Speaker 1>and I would watch over the years on Facebook, and

0:31:20.250 --> 0:31:24.890
<v Speaker 1>over time she stopped really posting about him or their marriage,

0:31:25.890 --> 0:31:28.450
<v Speaker 1>and I just put that down to him being very

0:31:28.970 --> 0:31:32.930
<v Speaker 1>not into social media. So the day that I found

0:31:32.970 --> 0:31:38.610
<v Speaker 1>out that they got married, I went onto her Facebook

0:31:38.650 --> 0:31:42.650
<v Speaker 1>page and saw their wedding photos. You ever get that

0:31:42.690 --> 0:31:46.530
<v Speaker 1>feeling where you feel like your heart's dropped into your stomach. Yeah,

0:31:46.570 --> 0:31:51.690
<v Speaker 1>it was gut wrenching. They got married on the eighth

0:31:51.770 --> 0:31:55.050
<v Speaker 1>of the eighth of the eighth, a very auspicious good

0:31:55.130 --> 0:31:57.690
<v Speaker 1>luck date, which at the time I was like, yeah,

0:31:57.730 --> 0:32:02.890
<v Speaker 1>she's trying to protect herself from karma. We as a

0:32:02.930 --> 0:32:06.610
<v Speaker 1>couple had our problems. That was ours, but I will

0:32:06.650 --> 0:32:12.250
<v Speaker 1>never get over the pain that she caused me. I'm

0:32:12.570 --> 0:32:17.250
<v Speaker 1>really big on female friendship and the power of sisterhood,

0:32:17.250 --> 0:32:20.010
<v Speaker 1>and I just I'll never get my head around it.

0:32:20.250 --> 0:32:23.170
<v Speaker 1>I never will, And unfortunately I'm never going to get

0:32:23.170 --> 0:32:26.490
<v Speaker 1>those answers because obviously I don't want anything to do

0:32:26.530 --> 0:32:29.890
<v Speaker 1>with them. I have thought over the years about reaching out,

0:32:29.930 --> 0:32:35.290
<v Speaker 1>and just because over time I did a lot of work,

0:32:35.330 --> 0:32:40.050
<v Speaker 1>obviously many therapists, and I was like, I need to

0:32:40.050 --> 0:32:42.570
<v Speaker 1>get to a place where I can forgive because I

0:32:42.570 --> 0:32:46.010
<v Speaker 1>don't want to hold onto this bitterness, because that's just

0:32:46.130 --> 0:32:49.290
<v Speaker 1>so unhealthy in my eyes. So I worked really, really,

0:32:49.290 --> 0:32:51.930
<v Speaker 1>really hard, and I got to a place where I

0:32:51.970 --> 0:32:54.690
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know what, they were obviously meant to

0:32:54.690 --> 0:32:58.330
<v Speaker 1>be together, and even though it sucked that I was

0:32:58.330 --> 0:33:02.530
<v Speaker 1>the conduit, at least they found each other. And I

0:33:02.610 --> 0:33:05.730
<v Speaker 1>had thought, you know, several times reaching out to her

0:33:06.410 --> 0:33:08.450
<v Speaker 1>and just saying, look, I know it was really shitty

0:33:08.810 --> 0:33:11.850
<v Speaker 1>and it was a horrible time, but I hope that

0:33:11.890 --> 0:33:14.930
<v Speaker 1>you're really happy. I never did. I think I just

0:33:15.010 --> 0:33:18.410
<v Speaker 1>chickened out because I was I don't know. And then

0:33:18.450 --> 0:33:20.450
<v Speaker 1>you know, of course my girlfriends are like, why would

0:33:20.490 --> 0:33:22.370
<v Speaker 1>you do that? Just leave it in the past, Leave

0:33:22.450 --> 0:33:25.290
<v Speaker 1>in the past. But for someone who thinks the way

0:33:25.290 --> 0:33:30.490
<v Speaker 1>that I do, it's always there. It's always just you know, haunting,

0:33:30.770 --> 0:33:32.450
<v Speaker 1>like caspar just around the corner.

0:33:33.050 --> 0:33:36.330
<v Speaker 2>But as it does, life went on. Lucy moved on

0:33:36.490 --> 0:33:39.130
<v Speaker 2>and tried the best she could to forget and heal

0:33:39.410 --> 0:33:42.290
<v Speaker 2>from the trauma her partner and best friend had left

0:33:42.290 --> 0:33:45.690
<v Speaker 2>in their wake, and years went by without hearing a

0:33:45.730 --> 0:33:50.210
<v Speaker 2>thing about or from the ghost of her past until.

0:33:50.290 --> 0:33:55.810
<v Speaker 1>It was only in August last year. So twenty twenty three,

0:33:56.890 --> 0:34:01.130
<v Speaker 1>and one of the original original original girlfriends from the

0:34:01.170 --> 0:34:05.410
<v Speaker 1>first restaurant in the city called me and we're just

0:34:05.450 --> 0:34:08.250
<v Speaker 1>having a chat about another apprentice that we used to

0:34:08.250 --> 0:34:12.090
<v Speaker 1>work with, and it was all casual, and she said, oh, oh,

0:34:12.130 --> 0:34:15.250
<v Speaker 1>I've got some news, and I'm like, what's that. She goes,

0:34:15.930 --> 0:34:19.170
<v Speaker 1>Tony in Holly broke up and I was driving my

0:34:19.290 --> 0:34:22.570
<v Speaker 1>car and I thought I was just going to have

0:34:22.610 --> 0:34:28.890
<v Speaker 1>to slam on the brakes. I was so shocked, and

0:34:28.930 --> 0:34:33.970
<v Speaker 1>there was a part of me that was sad for them,

0:34:34.210 --> 0:34:37.770
<v Speaker 1>and a part of me that was, huh, maybe that's

0:34:37.810 --> 0:34:40.010
<v Speaker 1>the karma. I don't know how it happened or what happened.

0:34:41.290 --> 0:34:43.570
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, you okay, and I was just bawling

0:34:43.570 --> 0:34:46.690
<v Speaker 1>my eyes out and I said, I just can't you know.

0:34:46.970 --> 0:34:51.290
<v Speaker 1>For years I was waiting to hear this, and now

0:34:51.330 --> 0:34:57.250
<v Speaker 1>that it's here, I feel so confused about how I feel.

0:34:58.090 --> 0:35:00.690
<v Speaker 1>I am genuinely sad that they broke up because I

0:35:00.690 --> 0:35:04.010
<v Speaker 1>did think that they would last. And I said, you

0:35:04.050 --> 0:35:08.210
<v Speaker 1>know what happened and she said, yeah, So they spent

0:35:08.810 --> 0:35:12.290
<v Speaker 1>ten plus years in the minds both of them big money,

0:35:13.290 --> 0:35:17.410
<v Speaker 1>and he had gambled it all away. And then I

0:35:17.570 --> 0:35:20.690
<v Speaker 1>just got so sad, you know, so sad for him.

0:35:21.290 --> 0:35:26.050
<v Speaker 1>He'd be what forty eight this year, so his wife

0:35:26.050 --> 0:35:28.210
<v Speaker 1>has walked out at me him. He's got no house,

0:35:28.930 --> 0:35:31.970
<v Speaker 1>he's got a job, but no money. I'm like, you

0:35:32.010 --> 0:35:35.210
<v Speaker 1>don't work that hard for so long to have nothing.

0:35:36.530 --> 0:35:40.570
<v Speaker 1>And so that was in the August, and then in

0:35:40.570 --> 0:35:44.530
<v Speaker 1>February this year. It wasn't pre planned. I hadn't thought

0:35:44.530 --> 0:35:47.730
<v Speaker 1>about it, but I picked up my phone and I

0:35:47.810 --> 0:35:50.570
<v Speaker 1>searched him through Messenger and I sent him a message

0:35:51.490 --> 0:35:55.810
<v Speaker 1>and I said, hey, Tony, I heard that you and

0:35:55.810 --> 0:35:58.890
<v Speaker 1>Holly had broken up, and I'm really sorry to hear that.

0:35:59.530 --> 0:36:05.450
<v Speaker 1>I really hope that you're okay. Lucy. Anyway, the next

0:36:05.530 --> 0:36:11.250
<v Speaker 1>day I got a message and it said, yeah, I

0:36:11.290 --> 0:36:14.050
<v Speaker 1>heard you. You've gone through hard things too. Life's tough. Hey.

0:36:15.130 --> 0:36:18.210
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'm really sorry to hear that, but I

0:36:18.250 --> 0:36:23.210
<v Speaker 1>genuinely hope that you're okay. And he said, well, Lucy,

0:36:23.530 --> 0:36:27.490
<v Speaker 1>she was my best friend. And I was like, I

0:36:27.530 --> 0:36:30.290
<v Speaker 1>have no idea what that feels like. Oh my god,

0:36:30.290 --> 0:36:33.010
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. And he said, so, I guess we

0:36:33.050 --> 0:36:36.090
<v Speaker 1>should catch up for a beer sometime and I just

0:36:36.210 --> 0:36:38.130
<v Speaker 1>left it and we never spoke again.

0:36:38.570 --> 0:36:40.490
<v Speaker 2>But she did hear a one more thing.

0:36:40.890 --> 0:36:46.010
<v Speaker 1>Two weeks ago, I caught up with another of the friends.

0:36:46.610 --> 0:36:49.850
<v Speaker 1>We went out to dinner. She said, oh my god,

0:36:50.330 --> 0:36:52.370
<v Speaker 1>I got a bit of an update about the breakup.

0:36:52.970 --> 0:36:58.530
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like what, and she said, well, Tony was

0:36:58.570 --> 0:37:02.010
<v Speaker 1>speaking to my brother and told him that Holly had

0:37:02.010 --> 0:37:04.610
<v Speaker 1>actually been having an affair on him for a year

0:37:04.730 --> 0:37:09.570
<v Speaker 1>or two. He's not sure of the timeline. Holly picked

0:37:09.650 --> 0:37:11.970
<v Speaker 1>up all of her stuff one day when he was

0:37:11.970 --> 0:37:17.890
<v Speaker 1>at work, left and that was that. But the kicker

0:37:17.970 --> 0:37:21.450
<v Speaker 1>for me is that the guy that she had the

0:37:21.490 --> 0:37:26.450
<v Speaker 1>affair with like two weeks later dumped. I know it's

0:37:26.490 --> 0:37:30.570
<v Speaker 1>also messing and gross, but there's part of me that's like, girlfriend,

0:37:30.770 --> 0:37:34.890
<v Speaker 1>I told you, Carma will get you full circle. Feel

0:37:34.890 --> 0:37:37.690
<v Speaker 1>like I've got my closure. Now there's no weight on

0:37:37.810 --> 0:37:41.650
<v Speaker 1>me in terms of what happened. I really tried hard

0:37:41.730 --> 0:37:47.450
<v Speaker 1>to show some grace and forgive and reaching out to him,

0:37:47.490 --> 0:37:52.370
<v Speaker 1>and what he said just made me think, Wow, you

0:37:52.450 --> 0:37:57.570
<v Speaker 1>have not grown one iota, and nor has she clearly,

0:37:58.370 --> 0:38:03.330
<v Speaker 1>which is sad for them, But I mean that's where

0:38:03.330 --> 0:38:07.890
<v Speaker 1>it goes. I'd spent so many years picturing them being

0:38:07.930 --> 0:38:12.370
<v Speaker 1>so happy and almost having to ret that in my

0:38:12.370 --> 0:38:16.570
<v Speaker 1>brain just to put the picture right, if that makes sense.

0:38:17.570 --> 0:38:21.530
<v Speaker 1>She wasn't perfect, he wasn't perfect. You know, when you

0:38:21.570 --> 0:38:25.010
<v Speaker 1>break up to I think you idealize things. It's not

0:38:25.170 --> 0:38:28.010
<v Speaker 1>actually like that, but I think your brain does it

0:38:28.090 --> 0:38:32.210
<v Speaker 1>because it's trying to hold onto some good memories. So yeah,

0:38:32.330 --> 0:38:35.690
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just despair for both of them, to

0:38:35.730 --> 0:38:39.250
<v Speaker 1>be honest, there are some things that happened I'm like, oh,

0:38:39.290 --> 0:38:42.730
<v Speaker 1>she would crack up at that, or you know, certain

0:38:42.770 --> 0:38:45.730
<v Speaker 1>situations that I've been through, and I do miss her.

0:38:45.770 --> 0:38:50.370
<v Speaker 1>But maybe the way that she was supposed to evolve

0:38:50.410 --> 0:38:52.690
<v Speaker 1>as a person and the way that I was supposed

0:38:52.690 --> 0:38:56.250
<v Speaker 1>to evolve as a person just weren't aligned. And that's

0:38:56.370 --> 0:38:59.530
<v Speaker 1>just that's just the way life goes. It was my

0:38:59.650 --> 0:39:03.730
<v Speaker 1>first friend break up. Like you know, you lose friends

0:39:03.730 --> 0:39:07.770
<v Speaker 1>through life for whatever reasons, and there that was pretty

0:39:07.810 --> 0:39:13.490
<v Speaker 1>brutal throughout this whole journey. It put a spotlight on

0:39:13.570 --> 0:39:17.690
<v Speaker 1>female friendship for me and how devastating it can be

0:39:17.730 --> 0:39:20.770
<v Speaker 1>when you lose them. It's an emotional relationship that you

0:39:20.810 --> 0:39:25.610
<v Speaker 1>have and it's emotional intimacy, and just because it's not

0:39:26.210 --> 0:39:30.210
<v Speaker 1>physical does not mean at all that it doesn't feel

0:39:30.650 --> 0:39:34.730
<v Speaker 1>the same way when you lose it. Breathing of her

0:39:35.410 --> 0:39:38.570
<v Speaker 1>it took me years, years because you know, you know,

0:39:38.610 --> 0:39:40.410
<v Speaker 1>back in the day we would talk about having kids

0:39:40.490 --> 0:39:43.010
<v Speaker 1>at the same time raising them to be like great

0:39:43.010 --> 0:39:46.970
<v Speaker 1>little humans, and it was just a given that we're

0:39:47.010 --> 0:39:48.890
<v Speaker 1>going to be in our lives each other's lives forever,

0:39:49.570 --> 0:39:54.250
<v Speaker 1>which again went back to how you could do that,

0:39:54.930 --> 0:39:58.490
<v Speaker 1>you know, just you know, I could get back on

0:39:58.530 --> 0:40:02.410
<v Speaker 1>the circle of why and how, but it's all just

0:40:03.210 --> 0:40:08.930
<v Speaker 1>for me. One huge lesson for me. My lesson is

0:40:09.370 --> 0:40:16.570
<v Speaker 1>about being resilient and trying to accept that not everyone

0:40:17.770 --> 0:40:20.170
<v Speaker 1>will act or behave the way that you want them to,

0:40:21.050 --> 0:40:24.330
<v Speaker 1>and you have to make choices. I guess about who

0:40:24.330 --> 0:40:27.090
<v Speaker 1>you let into your life and who you don't. And

0:40:27.130 --> 0:40:30.450
<v Speaker 1>sometimes they just lessons that you don't see coming, really

0:40:31.290 --> 0:40:35.410
<v Speaker 1>just just life. I was very lucky in that when

0:40:35.410 --> 0:40:36.770
<v Speaker 1>I went to Sydney, I did have a good group

0:40:36.770 --> 0:40:39.010
<v Speaker 1>of friends around me, and they were fully aware of

0:40:39.090 --> 0:40:44.250
<v Speaker 1>the situation and they cuddled me and took me through

0:40:44.290 --> 0:40:48.530
<v Speaker 1>some pretty rough nights, and yeah, I mean, that's the

0:40:48.570 --> 0:40:52.290
<v Speaker 1>thing about heartbreak is when you're in it, this is

0:40:52.330 --> 0:40:55.410
<v Speaker 1>the forever. But when you walk through it, like walk

0:40:55.450 --> 0:40:58.290
<v Speaker 1>through the fire, and you get to the other end,

0:40:59.090 --> 0:41:02.410
<v Speaker 1>there is such a sense of oh, wow, like I

0:41:02.730 --> 0:41:06.730
<v Speaker 1>did it. It's satisfying in a weird way. You know.

0:41:06.850 --> 0:41:11.810
<v Speaker 1>It's like proving to yourself that yeah, I'm okay. I've

0:41:11.890 --> 0:41:15.970
<v Speaker 1>spent so long trying to get closure that I think

0:41:16.010 --> 0:41:19.850
<v Speaker 1>the more I think about it moving forward, it's just counterproductive.

0:41:20.490 --> 0:41:24.610
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, I just that's the story. Let's just

0:41:24.850 --> 0:41:28.170
<v Speaker 1>move right on. And if anything, you know, I just

0:41:28.370 --> 0:41:33.650
<v Speaker 1>hope that for anyone that's listening really really knows, for

0:41:33.690 --> 0:41:36.570
<v Speaker 1>any heartbreak that you're going through, you're going to come

0:41:36.570 --> 0:41:38.290
<v Speaker 1>out of it and you're going to come out of

0:41:38.330 --> 0:41:41.770
<v Speaker 1>it stronger and better. And that's kind of what I

0:41:41.810 --> 0:41:46.090
<v Speaker 1>really hope people feel. Because it's possible, you just have

0:41:46.170 --> 0:41:47.690
<v Speaker 1>to really do some hard work.

0:41:49.930 --> 0:41:52.850
<v Speaker 2>Lucy did do the work, and life did move forward.

0:41:53.450 --> 0:41:56.770
<v Speaker 2>Not only that, but it became really wonderful were than

0:41:56.850 --> 0:41:57.930
<v Speaker 2>she ever imagined it.

0:41:57.930 --> 0:42:03.050
<v Speaker 1>Cooked moving to Sydney for a start, making a really

0:42:03.090 --> 0:42:07.290
<v Speaker 1>good bunch of friends, and exposing myself to a life

0:42:07.290 --> 0:42:09.530
<v Speaker 1>that I'd never lived before. I'd never lived in Sydney before,

0:42:09.570 --> 0:42:14.330
<v Speaker 1>so it was just fun and advertising is you know,

0:42:14.530 --> 0:42:18.530
<v Speaker 1>super social and fun and you know, going on photo

0:42:18.530 --> 0:42:21.730
<v Speaker 1>shoots and TV shoots and it was a really good

0:42:21.770 --> 0:42:25.850
<v Speaker 1>distraction for me, and that's what I needed. And then yeah,

0:42:25.890 --> 0:42:31.170
<v Speaker 1>I met a boy and we very quickly settled down

0:42:31.730 --> 0:42:35.570
<v Speaker 1>and moved back to the city that it all started.

0:42:36.570 --> 0:42:39.890
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I had our two little girls. So I

0:42:39.970 --> 0:42:44.170
<v Speaker 1>split from turning in two thousand and seven and didn't

0:42:44.210 --> 0:42:49.930
<v Speaker 1>meet my fella until twenty thirteen. So I was single

0:42:49.970 --> 0:42:53.010
<v Speaker 1>for quite a while. And it was in those years

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<v Speaker 1>that were really defining for me in terms of my

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<v Speaker 1>mental health and learning how to deal with everything that

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<v Speaker 1>had happened. Very formative, very formative. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>look at my girls and I always think I've got

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<v Speaker 1>so much to teach you. If you ever need it,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got like a suitcase full of it. Life is good.

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<v Speaker 1>Life is really good. So the fella and I split up,

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<v Speaker 1>which is fine, and the three of us have this

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful of life. I own a home, we've got a pool,

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<v Speaker 1>we're close to the beach. Their healthy, happy, Their dad

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<v Speaker 1>and I and his wife are all good friends. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm satisfied. All I've wanted to be was happy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I finally got there, and I look at those two

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<v Speaker 1>girls and I'm like, man, have I got some stories

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<v Speaker 1>for you?

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