1 00:00:12,850 --> 00:00:15,570 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:17,970 --> 00:00:21,290 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and waters. 3 00:00:21,330 --> 00:00:39,570 Speaker 2: This podcast is recorded on the power of this sisterhood. 4 00:00:39,890 --> 00:00:43,410 Speaker 2: Isn't it glorious? Female friendships can really be the true 5 00:00:43,650 --> 00:00:47,170 Speaker 2: great loves of our lives. Lucy certainly felt it with 6 00:00:47,210 --> 00:00:48,090 Speaker 2: her bestie Holly. 7 00:00:48,530 --> 00:00:51,370 Speaker 1: I'd never really had a girlfriend like that before. And 8 00:00:52,290 --> 00:00:56,530 Speaker 1: there's something about female friendship that just like kills my 9 00:00:56,650 --> 00:01:00,170 Speaker 1: heart dead, Like it's just so special, and you know, 10 00:01:00,250 --> 00:01:04,570 Speaker 1: the relatability of everything. And I'd say, actually, soul sisters. 11 00:01:04,730 --> 00:01:07,850 Speaker 2: The best thing about a girlfriend. They're there through everything, 12 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:11,130 Speaker 2: the good times and the bad, all the hurt and 13 00:01:11,170 --> 00:01:15,450 Speaker 2: the harps, unless, of course they're the one who caused them. 14 00:01:15,850 --> 00:01:17,770 Speaker 1: The last thing that I ever said to her was 15 00:01:18,690 --> 00:01:21,410 Speaker 1: I know that you believe in karma. She just went 16 00:01:21,530 --> 00:01:24,210 Speaker 1: really silent, and then she hung up with me, and 17 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:24,610 Speaker 1: that was that. 18 00:01:34,610 --> 00:01:37,570 Speaker 2: I'm Georgia Love and this is everyone has an ex 19 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:40,050 Speaker 2: Come with me as we dive into a collection of 20 00:01:40,250 --> 00:01:44,690 Speaker 2: unconventional stories about relationships past through the eyes and the 21 00:01:44,690 --> 00:01:48,170 Speaker 2: hearts of the very people who lived them. Today, I'm 22 00:01:48,210 --> 00:01:52,050 Speaker 2: taking you back to nineteen ninety seven, the year Princess 23 00:01:52,130 --> 00:01:55,370 Speaker 2: Diana died, the very first Harry Potter book was published, 24 00:01:55,450 --> 00:01:59,610 Speaker 2: and Titanic happened the movie, not the sinking, and well 25 00:01:59,650 --> 00:02:03,410 Speaker 2: before Facebook, Instagram or any of the dating apps existed. 26 00:02:03,810 --> 00:02:06,890 Speaker 2: So when Lucy met Tony, it was well and truly 27 00:02:07,010 --> 00:02:08,250 Speaker 2: in the old fashioned way. 28 00:02:08,530 --> 00:02:10,450 Speaker 1: I grew up in the far North Coast but moved 29 00:02:10,450 --> 00:02:13,330 Speaker 1: down south to get an apprenticeship as a chef. All 30 00:02:13,330 --> 00:02:15,450 Speaker 1: I wanted to do is travel, So I thought, if 31 00:02:15,450 --> 00:02:18,410 Speaker 1: I can be a chef, I can use that to travel. 32 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:21,090 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I got myself an apprenticeship and every 33 00:02:21,130 --> 00:02:23,410 Speaker 1: Friday night him and his mates would come in for dinner, 34 00:02:23,970 --> 00:02:26,610 Speaker 1: and eventually we just started chatting and then one night 35 00:02:26,690 --> 00:02:31,250 Speaker 1: we went out for drinks. He was like so hot 36 00:02:31,330 --> 00:02:34,290 Speaker 1: and so funny and witty, and he just was like 37 00:02:34,410 --> 00:02:37,530 Speaker 1: unlike anyone I'd ever met before, and the feeling was 38 00:02:37,650 --> 00:02:40,250 Speaker 1: like very mutual. He was a year older than me, 39 00:02:40,610 --> 00:02:42,610 Speaker 1: but he was also an apprenticeship, so we kind of 40 00:02:42,690 --> 00:02:47,170 Speaker 1: clicked over that and talked about chefing and stuff and yeah, 41 00:02:47,210 --> 00:02:49,450 Speaker 1: and that night we just went out and just it 42 00:02:49,530 --> 00:02:52,370 Speaker 1: was just on. It was really cool, just like that 43 00:02:52,810 --> 00:02:55,730 Speaker 1: he was like, um, like any man I'd ever met before. 44 00:02:55,810 --> 00:02:59,930 Speaker 1: He was just we would talk light and dark, deep, 45 00:03:00,290 --> 00:03:02,930 Speaker 1: and you know, he was really funny and witty, and 46 00:03:03,650 --> 00:03:06,170 Speaker 1: we'd white stay up and watch Q and A. And 47 00:03:06,810 --> 00:03:09,690 Speaker 1: it felt like a really mature relationship to me, and 48 00:03:09,930 --> 00:03:13,050 Speaker 1: that is what grabbed me. But he could also be 49 00:03:13,370 --> 00:03:15,570 Speaker 1: a massive dicker like me, and we could take the 50 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:17,730 Speaker 1: piss out of each other and it was just a 51 00:03:17,810 --> 00:03:22,010 Speaker 1: really fun It was just exciting. It really excited me 52 00:03:22,050 --> 00:03:24,690 Speaker 1: being with him. We'd only been together for like six 53 00:03:24,730 --> 00:03:27,330 Speaker 1: months and we just started to move in and it 54 00:03:27,410 --> 00:03:29,770 Speaker 1: was perfect. We had this little home. We were like 55 00:03:29,810 --> 00:03:33,410 Speaker 1: all set up. My parents loved him, his parents loved me. 56 00:03:34,610 --> 00:03:36,970 Speaker 1: It was cool. He was like, obviously the first man 57 00:03:37,010 --> 00:03:41,890 Speaker 1: I'd ever lived with. So he was very domesticated, which 58 00:03:41,890 --> 00:03:43,690 Speaker 1: I was really impressed with. He would always put the 59 00:03:43,690 --> 00:03:47,250 Speaker 1: toilet seat down, like what, just little things like that. 60 00:03:47,370 --> 00:03:52,010 Speaker 1: I just thought he's emotionally mature, and that's for me, 61 00:03:52,170 --> 00:03:55,730 Speaker 1: was a big thing. Yeah, he was just yeah, really, 62 00:03:56,850 --> 00:03:59,250 Speaker 1: it was a really cool guy. It was a really 63 00:03:59,290 --> 00:04:03,090 Speaker 1: beautiful little love that we had. After about six months 64 00:04:03,090 --> 00:04:05,890 Speaker 1: of living together, I started getting restless at the restaurant 65 00:04:05,930 --> 00:04:08,650 Speaker 1: that I was at, so I applied for a role 66 00:04:09,570 --> 00:04:12,610 Speaker 1: in the city that was closest to us, and it 67 00:04:12,690 --> 00:04:15,450 Speaker 1: was like the top restaurant at the time, and I 68 00:04:15,490 --> 00:04:18,290 Speaker 1: got the job. So we moved into the city and 69 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:23,810 Speaker 1: started a new life. For me, it was a dream 70 00:04:23,850 --> 00:04:27,490 Speaker 1: come true. Like I was just a small country girl 71 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:31,570 Speaker 1: who had big dreams and I went for the big 72 00:04:31,610 --> 00:04:34,810 Speaker 1: one and I got it. And yeah, he was super supportive, 73 00:04:34,970 --> 00:04:38,530 Speaker 1: but he didn't want the relationship to suffer or to 74 00:04:38,610 --> 00:04:42,770 Speaker 1: lose the relationship, so he kind of followed me in 75 00:04:43,050 --> 00:04:46,490 Speaker 1: and yeah, he ended up getting a job at another 76 00:04:46,570 --> 00:04:49,970 Speaker 1: top hotel, and so yeah, we were kind of like 77 00:04:50,130 --> 00:04:54,210 Speaker 1: just cruising this insane wave. It was like, yeah, I 78 00:04:54,370 --> 00:04:57,450 Speaker 1: was so young and our dreams were so big, but 79 00:04:57,490 --> 00:05:01,730 Speaker 1: nothing could stop us. And it's just really good times. 80 00:05:02,650 --> 00:05:06,450 Speaker 2: And they really were good times. Anyone who's worked in hospitality, 81 00:05:06,530 --> 00:05:08,690 Speaker 2: particularly in their early twenties, well know. 82 00:05:09,410 --> 00:05:13,090 Speaker 1: You start working like say two two thirty and then 83 00:05:13,210 --> 00:05:16,290 Speaker 1: finish up service, clean up the kitchen, and by ten 84 00:05:16,330 --> 00:05:20,290 Speaker 1: ten thirty you ready to go, and there's nothing to 85 00:05:20,330 --> 00:05:23,130 Speaker 1: do at that time and you are wide awake, your 86 00:05:23,130 --> 00:05:26,770 Speaker 1: buzz from like the adrenaline of a bus service, and 87 00:05:26,810 --> 00:05:30,730 Speaker 1: so realistically, the only thing to do as a group 88 00:05:30,770 --> 00:05:32,490 Speaker 1: of people who will all work together is to go 89 00:05:32,570 --> 00:05:36,210 Speaker 1: to a pub or a bar and you start doing 90 00:05:36,250 --> 00:05:40,250 Speaker 1: that and then that just becomes the norm, and then 91 00:05:40,290 --> 00:05:42,130 Speaker 1: you don't start again till two o'clock the next day. 92 00:05:42,210 --> 00:05:44,490 Speaker 1: So going to bed early is not a problem. You're 93 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:48,690 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, let's keep going, let's whatever. And yeah, 94 00:05:48,970 --> 00:05:53,370 Speaker 1: you formed some really great relationships, really great friendships. We 95 00:05:53,490 --> 00:05:57,810 Speaker 1: both made new friends, and we got to a stage 96 00:05:57,810 --> 00:05:59,730 Speaker 1: where we were so comfortable with each other and so 97 00:05:59,970 --> 00:06:03,090 Speaker 1: happy with each other that we didn't really need to 98 00:06:04,370 --> 00:06:07,730 Speaker 1: look outwards, if that makes sense. We were just kind 99 00:06:07,770 --> 00:06:12,890 Speaker 1: of cozy in our home and our bond and all 100 00:06:12,890 --> 00:06:15,570 Speaker 1: the other noise around was just that it was just noise. 101 00:06:15,610 --> 00:06:20,290 Speaker 1: We didn't kind of if that makes sense, Like, I yeah, 102 00:06:20,330 --> 00:06:22,490 Speaker 1: you know, like there was a lot of with all 103 00:06:22,530 --> 00:06:25,210 Speaker 1: the partying and stuff, there was a lot of gossip. 104 00:06:25,250 --> 00:06:28,210 Speaker 1: I guess you could say. That would go around and 105 00:06:29,250 --> 00:06:31,330 Speaker 1: we would just laugh at it and get back to 106 00:06:31,370 --> 00:06:33,930 Speaker 1: our own thing. You know. People would describe us as 107 00:06:33,970 --> 00:06:38,970 Speaker 1: tight and probably unstoppable. I would say, just very in love, 108 00:06:39,530 --> 00:06:43,170 Speaker 1: you know, really in love with each other, and yeah, happy. 109 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:46,210 Speaker 1: We were just so happy. It was just so exciting, 110 00:06:46,330 --> 00:06:49,130 Speaker 1: and we both would meet up after work, we talk 111 00:06:49,170 --> 00:06:51,730 Speaker 1: about service, and then all of our friends would come 112 00:06:51,770 --> 00:06:55,170 Speaker 1: and then it would just get rowdy, and but I 113 00:06:55,210 --> 00:06:57,570 Speaker 1: would always look over and he would always be watching, 114 00:06:58,050 --> 00:07:01,490 Speaker 1: not a stalker, but just lovingly like you know, and 115 00:07:02,010 --> 00:07:05,330 Speaker 1: vice versa. It was like everyone knew that we were 116 00:07:05,410 --> 00:07:08,090 Speaker 1: in love. And he worked at this one and I 117 00:07:08,130 --> 00:07:11,810 Speaker 1: worked at that one, and just yeah, it was it 118 00:07:11,850 --> 00:07:15,330 Speaker 1: was just so cool, like, you know, it was a 119 00:07:15,370 --> 00:07:17,210 Speaker 1: life that I didn't actually dream that I would have, 120 00:07:17,810 --> 00:07:19,770 Speaker 1: and here it was. You know, it was a lot 121 00:07:19,770 --> 00:07:22,490 Speaker 1: of fun. There was a group of us. There was 122 00:07:22,530 --> 00:07:25,730 Speaker 1: probably like up to ten people, and a lot of 123 00:07:25,730 --> 00:07:28,170 Speaker 1: them I'm still friends with. There was one girl, Holly, 124 00:07:28,250 --> 00:07:32,290 Speaker 1: and she was she was so vibrant and she was, 125 00:07:32,690 --> 00:07:35,250 Speaker 1: I would say, a people magnet. So she was always 126 00:07:35,290 --> 00:07:37,170 Speaker 1: on the scene. And it wasn't even if she wasn't 127 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:39,210 Speaker 1: with us, she was with another group of hospay people, 128 00:07:39,930 --> 00:07:42,770 Speaker 1: but she was always around and she was always hooking 129 00:07:42,850 --> 00:07:46,050 Speaker 1: up with different dudes. It was this confidence that she exuded. 130 00:07:46,770 --> 00:07:49,290 Speaker 1: But I was like, she's cool, Like I want to 131 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:51,930 Speaker 1: hang around her. And she was a lot of fun. 132 00:07:52,730 --> 00:07:55,450 Speaker 1: She actually got an apprenticeship at the same restaurant, the 133 00:07:55,770 --> 00:08:00,370 Speaker 1: Shiny One that I was working at, and we just 134 00:08:00,690 --> 00:08:05,410 Speaker 1: clicked from day one. She brought this warmth about her. 135 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:10,370 Speaker 1: She was very, very confident, very beautiful, but not in 136 00:08:10,410 --> 00:08:14,930 Speaker 1: an obvious way. She yeah. So we just started hanging out, 137 00:08:14,970 --> 00:08:19,850 Speaker 1: and then over time we just became best mates. I'd say, 138 00:08:19,850 --> 00:08:24,050 Speaker 1: actually saw sisters, and you know, my family were obsessed 139 00:08:24,090 --> 00:08:28,370 Speaker 1: with her, and it was like I'd never really had 140 00:08:28,370 --> 00:08:32,530 Speaker 1: a girlfriend like that before. And there's something about female 141 00:08:32,530 --> 00:08:36,450 Speaker 1: friendship that just kills my heart dead, like it's just 142 00:08:36,490 --> 00:08:40,290 Speaker 1: so special, and you know, the relatability of everything, and 143 00:08:41,170 --> 00:08:43,250 Speaker 1: we just take the piss out of each other all 144 00:08:43,290 --> 00:08:46,250 Speaker 1: the time, and it was okay. It was just fun 145 00:08:46,370 --> 00:08:50,890 Speaker 1: and banterish, and she very quickly became one of my 146 00:08:50,930 --> 00:08:54,650 Speaker 1: best mates. She introduced me to so many other people. 147 00:08:55,610 --> 00:08:58,530 Speaker 1: She was from there, so she would take me horse 148 00:08:58,610 --> 00:09:03,130 Speaker 1: riding and would just show me new beaches and it 149 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:05,890 Speaker 1: was like we're the little girls that had found each 150 00:09:05,930 --> 00:09:11,490 Speaker 1: other and we were playful and fun, just so much fun. 151 00:09:12,250 --> 00:09:14,090 Speaker 1: Like I just loved being around her. She had the 152 00:09:14,130 --> 00:09:17,530 Speaker 1: personality that everyone just wanted to be around her. The 153 00:09:17,570 --> 00:09:20,410 Speaker 1: amount of times that we would be just close to 154 00:09:20,450 --> 00:09:23,610 Speaker 1: on the floor laughing, you know, just that joy, that 155 00:09:23,650 --> 00:09:26,810 Speaker 1: real joy. I think That's what got me the most 156 00:09:27,050 --> 00:09:29,770 Speaker 1: was the joy that she brought to me. All three 157 00:09:29,770 --> 00:09:32,050 Speaker 1: of us were like peas in the pot, same sense 158 00:09:32,090 --> 00:09:41,010 Speaker 1: of humor, same kind of outgoing nature. We loved anything active, snowboarding, bodyboarding, bodysurfing, riding, 159 00:09:41,050 --> 00:09:44,930 Speaker 1: pushes around the beach, skateboarding, like you name it, we 160 00:09:44,930 --> 00:09:48,130 Speaker 1: would into it. And the three of us did have 161 00:09:48,210 --> 00:09:52,490 Speaker 1: a lot of fun together. And mainly it was Tony 162 00:09:53,450 --> 00:09:55,930 Speaker 1: not mocking, but you know, taking the piss out of 163 00:09:55,970 --> 00:09:58,290 Speaker 1: her for all the dudes that she would sleep with. 164 00:09:59,090 --> 00:10:01,250 Speaker 1: She had a bit of a routine, I would say, 165 00:10:01,890 --> 00:10:05,410 Speaker 1: where she would massage guys with her own massage oil 166 00:10:06,290 --> 00:10:09,330 Speaker 1: and if she had that in a bag, you knew 167 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:11,410 Speaker 1: it was on. So, yeah, the three of us were 168 00:10:11,490 --> 00:10:14,850 Speaker 1: just really good mates. He definitely was the third Whell. 169 00:10:15,690 --> 00:10:19,330 Speaker 2: Lucy and Tony and now Holly just had the best life. 170 00:10:19,650 --> 00:10:22,410 Speaker 2: But after a few years, bigger and better jobs in 171 00:10:22,450 --> 00:10:24,450 Speaker 2: bigger and better cities came calling. 172 00:10:24,810 --> 00:10:26,970 Speaker 1: We'd actually moved to Sydney and we both started in 173 00:10:27,530 --> 00:10:32,890 Speaker 1: even better restaurants, and again we'd found a crew down 174 00:10:32,930 --> 00:10:36,650 Speaker 1: here that was fun and everything. But the whole thing 175 00:10:36,730 --> 00:10:40,170 Speaker 1: was that both Tony and I wanted to travel and 176 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:42,290 Speaker 1: he wanted to go to Canada for the snowboarding and 177 00:10:42,330 --> 00:10:46,970 Speaker 1: I was like, cool, I'm in. So we left our 178 00:10:47,050 --> 00:10:48,890 Speaker 1: little life and packed it all up and put into 179 00:10:48,930 --> 00:10:54,890 Speaker 1: a storage container and spent the first three months. We 180 00:10:54,930 --> 00:10:59,330 Speaker 1: flew into the East coast, bought a three point fifty 181 00:10:59,410 --> 00:11:05,810 Speaker 1: gmc hotted up car, and we drove from Toronto up 182 00:11:05,890 --> 00:11:10,930 Speaker 1: to Montreal and then across the coast to Whistler. I 183 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:13,730 Speaker 1: remember when we were on the plane and we like 184 00:11:13,930 --> 00:11:16,570 Speaker 1: looked at each other and we had the biggest grins 185 00:11:16,570 --> 00:11:19,130 Speaker 1: on our face, like we are actually doing this, Like 186 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:23,250 Speaker 1: we talked about it for so long, and we were 187 00:11:23,370 --> 00:11:26,130 Speaker 1: just like stoked to little kids, you know, just like 188 00:11:26,410 --> 00:11:31,370 Speaker 1: ah shit, we're here. We made a really tight group 189 00:11:31,450 --> 00:11:35,010 Speaker 1: of friends over there, another couple, and these were all 190 00:11:35,010 --> 00:11:36,610 Speaker 1: in the same restaurant that we worked at, the same 191 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:39,730 Speaker 1: restaurant together. There was about twelve of us and we 192 00:11:39,770 --> 00:11:45,170 Speaker 1: would yeah, just go snowboarding every day and cooking and 193 00:11:45,210 --> 00:11:49,770 Speaker 1: then partying, and then it was just on repeat. 194 00:11:50,290 --> 00:11:53,450 Speaker 2: Lucy and Tony did the whole travel, work party thing 195 00:11:53,570 --> 00:11:56,570 Speaker 2: for a year and loved every minute, but it was 196 00:11:56,650 --> 00:11:57,890 Speaker 2: never going to be forever. 197 00:11:58,570 --> 00:12:03,850 Speaker 1: My older sister announced that she was pregnant and I 198 00:12:04,090 --> 00:12:06,770 Speaker 1: very tight with my family and I didn't want to 199 00:12:06,770 --> 00:12:10,970 Speaker 1: miss the birth. He really wanted to stay, He really 200 00:12:11,050 --> 00:12:14,170 Speaker 1: wanted to go down through the States into Mexico, but 201 00:12:14,290 --> 00:12:17,210 Speaker 1: I was just I just wanted to be home. You know, 202 00:12:17,210 --> 00:12:19,490 Speaker 1: it had been a year, and like I said, I 203 00:12:19,930 --> 00:12:22,730 Speaker 1: did not want to miss the birth. And yeah, so 204 00:12:22,810 --> 00:12:26,290 Speaker 1: we moved back to the city that we met in 205 00:12:26,690 --> 00:12:32,170 Speaker 1: or first lived in, and basically caught up with all 206 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:37,010 Speaker 1: of our old friends and resumed life as it was 207 00:12:37,450 --> 00:12:43,290 Speaker 1: pre Canada. I took over a restaurant in the original 208 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:48,450 Speaker 1: town that we were at, and over time he eventually 209 00:12:48,490 --> 00:12:52,450 Speaker 1: became my soux chef, so second in charge, and then 210 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:56,770 Speaker 1: after a little while, Holly became my line chef, one 211 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:59,570 Speaker 1: of my line chefs, and so the three of us 212 00:12:59,610 --> 00:13:02,530 Speaker 1: were just back on dick as thieves. She'd been out 213 00:13:02,530 --> 00:13:06,090 Speaker 1: of town, so she'd come back and we just reformed 214 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:09,530 Speaker 1: that connection we'd had years ago, and man, we just 215 00:13:09,770 --> 00:13:12,450 Speaker 1: started having fun again and it was all great, but 216 00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:13,250 Speaker 1: it wasn't. 217 00:13:13,090 --> 00:13:14,170 Speaker 2: Exactly the same. 218 00:13:14,530 --> 00:13:18,050 Speaker 1: There was distinct shift in his attitude. I don't think 219 00:13:18,050 --> 00:13:20,770 Speaker 1: he wanted to be back where we were, but he didn't. 220 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:24,130 Speaker 1: He wasn't vocal about it. There was a bit of 221 00:13:24,130 --> 00:13:27,890 Speaker 1: a spark gone. And I do think we had worked 222 00:13:27,930 --> 00:13:29,890 Speaker 1: so hard to prove it to ourselves that we could 223 00:13:29,970 --> 00:13:34,370 Speaker 1: get over there, and we did it. And I think 224 00:13:34,930 --> 00:13:40,010 Speaker 1: he just wanted to keep traveling and I did too. 225 00:13:40,250 --> 00:13:43,330 Speaker 1: But again I was like, we've got a baby coming, 226 00:13:43,610 --> 00:13:50,850 Speaker 1: like this is huge, And yeah, he just wasn't hisself. 227 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:53,810 Speaker 1: It's hard to explain. He was just very he was 228 00:13:53,810 --> 00:13:57,130 Speaker 1: a bit more drawn back. He retreated to the pubs 229 00:13:57,170 --> 00:14:00,770 Speaker 1: to play the pokeis a lot, which was really concerning 230 00:14:00,770 --> 00:14:04,330 Speaker 1: for me. But I couldn't control it. I couldn't control him. 231 00:14:04,730 --> 00:14:07,290 Speaker 2: They'd been together for five years at this point, and 232 00:14:07,330 --> 00:14:09,330 Speaker 2: there was one big thing on Lucy's mind. 233 00:14:10,130 --> 00:14:13,690 Speaker 1: When we were first together, we'd always talked about having kids, 234 00:14:14,410 --> 00:14:17,570 Speaker 1: and he was always open to the idea of it. 235 00:14:18,610 --> 00:14:20,530 Speaker 1: But we were so young and we had other plans 236 00:14:20,610 --> 00:14:23,450 Speaker 1: to do, you know, we had other travels and adventures 237 00:14:23,490 --> 00:14:27,930 Speaker 1: to experience. But then over the course of when we 238 00:14:27,970 --> 00:14:32,370 Speaker 1: got back from Canada, it was a distinct shift in 239 00:14:33,570 --> 00:14:35,930 Speaker 1: what he wanted said he didn't want to bring kids 240 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:40,530 Speaker 1: into this world. I think maybe I pushed too hard. 241 00:14:41,850 --> 00:14:44,370 Speaker 1: I thought that if we just traveled some more, we 242 00:14:44,370 --> 00:14:47,210 Speaker 1: were still so young. If we traveled some more and 243 00:14:48,570 --> 00:14:50,810 Speaker 1: kind of got that travel bug out of his system, 244 00:14:51,050 --> 00:14:55,690 Speaker 1: maybe that would suffice. And I truly believed that it 245 00:14:55,730 --> 00:14:58,610 Speaker 1: was all going to be okay and that we were 246 00:14:58,610 --> 00:15:02,370 Speaker 1: going to stay together and make that family and have 247 00:15:02,450 --> 00:15:05,690 Speaker 1: that life by the house, you know, the whole dream 248 00:15:05,810 --> 00:15:09,250 Speaker 1: that you know a lot of women want. And I thought, 249 00:15:09,290 --> 00:15:10,610 Speaker 1: I think to myself, well, what am I going to 250 00:15:10,690 --> 00:15:14,570 Speaker 1: do with my life? There was definitely an undercurrent within 251 00:15:14,690 --> 00:15:19,050 Speaker 1: me that was swelling through me that I wanted to 252 00:15:19,170 --> 00:15:22,850 Speaker 1: travel by myself before I had a baby. And yeah, 253 00:15:22,850 --> 00:15:25,450 Speaker 1: I knew I wouldn't forgive myself if I didn't do it. 254 00:15:25,850 --> 00:15:28,210 Speaker 1: So that's when I kind of patched this idea to 255 00:15:29,610 --> 00:15:31,410 Speaker 1: do a little bit of around the world by myself 256 00:15:31,450 --> 00:15:35,010 Speaker 1: and then meet Tony over there after three months in 257 00:15:35,050 --> 00:15:40,810 Speaker 1: the UK. So I planned a trip to Mexico by myself. 258 00:15:41,370 --> 00:15:46,410 Speaker 1: Three months Mexico, Central America, New York, London. It was 259 00:15:46,450 --> 00:15:48,130 Speaker 1: decided that he would come and meet me in London. 260 00:15:48,370 --> 00:15:50,370 Speaker 1: We get our work visas we do to use there 261 00:15:51,170 --> 00:15:55,610 Speaker 1: take it from there. I always wanted to do some 262 00:15:55,690 --> 00:15:58,770 Speaker 1: kind of travel by myself, and I just I knew 263 00:15:58,770 --> 00:16:01,490 Speaker 1: that if I didn't get out of my system. I 264 00:16:01,530 --> 00:16:05,090 Speaker 1: would never forgive myself. It was just an important thing 265 00:16:05,130 --> 00:16:12,090 Speaker 1: for me to do. So what happened is he became 266 00:16:12,130 --> 00:16:16,530 Speaker 1: the head chef and Holly became his soux chef, and 267 00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:22,210 Speaker 1: we all thought that was an awesome plan, just because 268 00:16:22,210 --> 00:16:24,690 Speaker 1: they worked so well together and she knew what she 269 00:16:24,810 --> 00:16:28,450 Speaker 1: was doing and I could trust, you know that they'd 270 00:16:28,450 --> 00:16:31,370 Speaker 1: be fine. We'd been together about seven and a half 271 00:16:31,450 --> 00:16:34,930 Speaker 1: years at this point, and I was really worried about 272 00:16:34,930 --> 00:16:38,770 Speaker 1: how he was going to be because he'd never really 273 00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:44,970 Speaker 1: been alone. I said to her, please look after Tony 274 00:16:45,010 --> 00:16:47,850 Speaker 1: because I'm really worried about him, and she was like, 275 00:16:47,890 --> 00:16:50,330 Speaker 1: of course, of course, and then you know, we gave 276 00:16:50,330 --> 00:16:53,210 Speaker 1: our hugs and it was a hard goodbye because I 277 00:16:53,250 --> 00:16:54,970 Speaker 1: wasn't sure when I was going to see her again. 278 00:16:55,650 --> 00:16:59,330 Speaker 2: So off she went. But it didn't start out exactly 279 00:16:59,410 --> 00:16:59,970 Speaker 2: as planned. 280 00:17:01,050 --> 00:17:05,970 Speaker 1: I flew into Mexico City and I went to Wahaka, 281 00:17:06,010 --> 00:17:11,210 Speaker 1: which is silver jewelry town, beautiful, beautiful, and then went 282 00:17:11,250 --> 00:17:14,170 Speaker 1: down to Porco and then from there I made my 283 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:17,210 Speaker 1: way down to Porto Escondido, which is a little surfing village. 284 00:17:18,010 --> 00:17:23,530 Speaker 1: So it was mainly surfers, backpackers and locals and I 285 00:17:23,570 --> 00:17:27,570 Speaker 1: stayed in this hostel anyway. It was my third night there. 286 00:17:27,570 --> 00:17:31,170 Speaker 1: It was a Saturday night and there was a group 287 00:17:31,210 --> 00:17:35,690 Speaker 1: of English backpackers, the lads, and they wanted me to 288 00:17:35,690 --> 00:17:39,090 Speaker 1: go and watch the football and then the girls are like, yeah, 289 00:17:39,130 --> 00:17:43,450 Speaker 1: come on party, and I don't know what came over 290 00:17:43,570 --> 00:17:46,130 Speaker 1: me or what had happened. I was like, no, I'm 291 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:48,130 Speaker 1: just going to go to bed, which is not me. 292 00:17:49,130 --> 00:17:53,050 Speaker 1: So at seven point thirty on a Saturday night, I 293 00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:56,250 Speaker 1: went to bed. I woke up the next morning and 294 00:17:56,330 --> 00:17:59,530 Speaker 1: lent over to get my phone and I couldn't feel 295 00:17:59,570 --> 00:18:02,170 Speaker 1: anything on my bedside table and I was like, what 296 00:18:02,290 --> 00:18:06,210 Speaker 1: is going on? And I like opened my eyes and 297 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:08,490 Speaker 1: it was empty. And then I looked under my bed 298 00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:11,610 Speaker 1: when my backpack was and every single thing that I've 299 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:16,610 Speaker 1: when overseas with was gone. I was surprisingly calm. I 300 00:18:16,770 --> 00:18:19,290 Speaker 1: fell on my mom's birthday back in Australia, so I 301 00:18:19,290 --> 00:18:20,810 Speaker 1: was like, I can't call home. I don't want to 302 00:18:20,850 --> 00:18:24,530 Speaker 1: ruin her day. So Doris gave me five hundred paces, 303 00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:27,290 Speaker 1: the boys gave me beers, and the girls gave me 304 00:18:27,330 --> 00:18:30,530 Speaker 1: some clothes. Obviously, I phoned Tony and he was like, 305 00:18:30,530 --> 00:18:33,570 Speaker 1: you've got to come home, like that's crazy, and I'm like, look, 306 00:18:34,570 --> 00:18:38,530 Speaker 1: no one hurt me, it's just stuff. And I don't 307 00:18:38,570 --> 00:18:41,490 Speaker 1: want to ruin this trip because of one bad incident, 308 00:18:41,610 --> 00:18:43,850 Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I left it a couple of 309 00:18:43,890 --> 00:18:49,730 Speaker 1: days and then called the parents get home now. I's like, no, 310 00:18:49,770 --> 00:18:52,890 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, same thing with Tony. It's fine. 311 00:18:53,530 --> 00:18:56,650 Speaker 1: So I jumped on a bus back to Mexico City 312 00:18:57,050 --> 00:19:01,930 Speaker 1: with not a shred of IDA on me. They issued 313 00:19:01,970 --> 00:19:06,410 Speaker 1: me an emergency passport and I stayed in Porto for 314 00:19:07,170 --> 00:19:10,210 Speaker 1: I think close to four weeks, just because I had 315 00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:14,090 Speaker 1: to order stuff, you know, backpack, you know, clothes, everything. 316 00:19:15,010 --> 00:19:16,850 Speaker 1: And then when I was there, I met this girl 317 00:19:16,930 --> 00:19:19,930 Speaker 1: and we became really really good mates, and she ended 318 00:19:20,010 --> 00:19:23,770 Speaker 1: up coming with me down through Honduras and down to 319 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:29,090 Speaker 1: Costa Rica. And then the whole time though I was yearning, 320 00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:33,970 Speaker 1: really yearning Tony, and so I decided to skip New 321 00:19:34,050 --> 00:19:38,530 Speaker 1: York and go straight to London so that could like 322 00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:41,970 Speaker 1: speed up the time that he would get there. And 323 00:19:42,130 --> 00:19:46,810 Speaker 1: over the time that I was in Central America, I 324 00:19:46,890 --> 00:19:51,250 Speaker 1: recall like a distinct pulling back almost not as many emails, 325 00:19:51,370 --> 00:19:56,330 Speaker 1: not as many, and I put it down to him 326 00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:59,130 Speaker 1: just kind of trying to get on with his life 327 00:19:59,210 --> 00:20:02,450 Speaker 1: and stop because he would always tell me how much 328 00:20:02,490 --> 00:20:04,690 Speaker 1: he'd miss me and stuff. I got the job in 329 00:20:04,770 --> 00:20:08,730 Speaker 1: a bar, and I met beautiful people and we had, 330 00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:11,850 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of fun, but I just wanted 331 00:20:11,890 --> 00:20:15,730 Speaker 1: to be home with him, or him with me over here. 332 00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:19,130 Speaker 1: And one day I said, look, I think I'm just 333 00:20:19,130 --> 00:20:21,490 Speaker 1: going to come back and surprise you one day. And 334 00:20:21,490 --> 00:20:23,210 Speaker 1: he was like, don't do that. You know, I don't 335 00:20:23,250 --> 00:20:27,610 Speaker 1: like surprises. Do not do that. And I said, look, 336 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:29,770 Speaker 1: why aren't you excited about this. He's like, I can't 337 00:20:29,810 --> 00:20:31,050 Speaker 1: afford it. 338 00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:32,850 Speaker 2: It meaning coming to London. 339 00:20:34,730 --> 00:20:37,170 Speaker 1: It was just before Christmas, and I was like, I 340 00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:41,130 Speaker 1: can't do this anymore. I'd been a way around five months. 341 00:20:41,410 --> 00:20:43,890 Speaker 1: I was just missing him too much and I had 342 00:20:43,890 --> 00:20:46,130 Speaker 1: to go home and see him. So I jumped on 343 00:20:46,170 --> 00:20:50,250 Speaker 1: a plane and away I went. Yeah. So I remember 344 00:20:50,410 --> 00:20:55,130 Speaker 1: rocking up to our old flat and he opened the 345 00:20:55,130 --> 00:21:00,290 Speaker 1: door and he pulled me in and pushed me against 346 00:21:00,330 --> 00:21:02,250 Speaker 1: the wall in a way that he'd never done before, 347 00:21:02,930 --> 00:21:05,650 Speaker 1: like to hug me. And he just hugged me and 348 00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:10,090 Speaker 1: sobbed and sobbed and sobbed, and I've missed you so much. 349 00:21:11,010 --> 00:21:14,050 Speaker 1: I can't really remember much more about that except to 350 00:21:14,050 --> 00:21:19,330 Speaker 1: say that it was a weird hello for us. Anyway, 351 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:22,770 Speaker 1: went into the lund room and his mattress was on 352 00:21:22,810 --> 00:21:26,770 Speaker 1: the floor out there, and I was like what He's like, Oh, 353 00:21:26,770 --> 00:21:29,210 Speaker 1: I've just been watching TV out here. It's just easier. 354 00:21:30,610 --> 00:21:34,250 Speaker 1: And the place looked it was just a mess, and 355 00:21:34,290 --> 00:21:38,330 Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on? Like just all the 356 00:21:38,410 --> 00:21:43,330 Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle just weren't fitting. And so he 357 00:21:43,370 --> 00:21:46,530 Speaker 1: wouldn't kiss me, definitely was not going to have sex 358 00:21:46,570 --> 00:21:49,090 Speaker 1: with me. He just wanted to talk about my trip 359 00:21:49,210 --> 00:21:54,370 Speaker 1: the whole time, and I just was like, I don't understand. 360 00:21:54,490 --> 00:21:58,850 Speaker 1: Like in my mind, I was like it was like 361 00:21:58,890 --> 00:22:00,930 Speaker 1: there was a ghost in the house and he was 362 00:22:00,930 --> 00:22:03,730 Speaker 1: the ghost, Like he was just a shell of himself. 363 00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:10,130 Speaker 1: And I didn't I didn't know how to even approach 364 00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:13,370 Speaker 1: it because he was just so down. And so we 365 00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:17,010 Speaker 1: lasted like that for two days, and then one day 366 00:22:17,010 --> 00:22:20,570 Speaker 1: I went into the bathroom to find a find some 367 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:24,250 Speaker 1: moisturizing cream and I opened up the bathroom cabinet and 368 00:22:26,050 --> 00:22:31,290 Speaker 1: it was like my head rolled off my body and 369 00:22:32,010 --> 00:22:36,610 Speaker 1: I was blind, like it was like being bludgeoned. And 370 00:22:36,650 --> 00:22:46,650 Speaker 1: I saw one of Holly's massage oils. So I picked 371 00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:49,690 Speaker 1: it up really calmly, which for me at that time 372 00:22:49,850 --> 00:22:54,210 Speaker 1: was not a thing. And I walked out and I said, 373 00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:59,530 Speaker 1: you've been fucking holy haven't you? And he just burst 374 00:22:59,530 --> 00:23:05,090 Speaker 1: out crying and he's like, yeah, yeah, I have. I 375 00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:09,970 Speaker 1: knew straightaway there was no other scenario that that would 376 00:23:09,970 --> 00:23:13,730 Speaker 1: be in that shelf, you know, there was just no reason, 377 00:23:14,530 --> 00:23:16,530 Speaker 1: and I just knew. And then I'm like, oh, that's 378 00:23:16,530 --> 00:23:19,050 Speaker 1: why the mattress is out there. He doesn't want it 379 00:23:19,050 --> 00:23:21,610 Speaker 1: in the bedroom. That's why you won't kiss me. That's 380 00:23:21,610 --> 00:23:23,770 Speaker 1: why I went up sex with me. It was all 381 00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:29,610 Speaker 1: very like, oh, it's like the dominoes just crashing. I 382 00:23:29,650 --> 00:23:32,850 Speaker 1: said to him, had this been going on before I left? 383 00:23:33,650 --> 00:23:37,850 Speaker 1: And he swears no, but really only they would know. 384 00:23:38,490 --> 00:23:43,810 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll never know, but it's really doesn't matter. 385 00:23:43,850 --> 00:23:46,690 Speaker 1: It happened. And for two days it was back and forth, 386 00:23:46,770 --> 00:23:50,370 Speaker 1: me trying to understand what had happened and how and 387 00:23:50,370 --> 00:23:52,650 Speaker 1: when and why, And you know, when you're in it, 388 00:23:52,690 --> 00:23:56,050 Speaker 1: you want all those details, which are very bad for you, 389 00:23:56,610 --> 00:23:59,010 Speaker 1: but you just want to know as much as you can. 390 00:23:59,490 --> 00:24:01,130 Speaker 1: And it just got to the end of the two 391 00:24:01,210 --> 00:24:03,850 Speaker 1: days and he just said, look, we're going to be together, 392 00:24:04,570 --> 00:24:07,250 Speaker 1: and I'm going to move to NUSA, And that's kind 393 00:24:07,290 --> 00:24:11,490 Speaker 1: of it. She had moved to NUSA because she found 394 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:14,450 Speaker 1: out that I was coming home. Yeah, so I didn't 395 00:24:14,530 --> 00:24:19,530 Speaker 1: know that until I got home, and she'd changed her number, 396 00:24:20,490 --> 00:24:22,730 Speaker 1: so she was well aware that there was going to 397 00:24:22,810 --> 00:24:28,970 Speaker 1: be a very upset person coming back to Australia. So 398 00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:33,410 Speaker 1: I basically begged Tony to give me the number and 399 00:24:33,450 --> 00:24:36,610 Speaker 1: I said, I just I just need some form of closure. 400 00:24:36,610 --> 00:24:40,610 Speaker 1: I just need to speak to her. And so I 401 00:24:40,690 --> 00:24:46,090 Speaker 1: called her and I just said, what the fuck? How 402 00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:49,290 Speaker 1: could you do this? And she's like, but you guys 403 00:24:49,290 --> 00:24:50,970 Speaker 1: were in trouble for a long time. And I'm like, 404 00:24:50,970 --> 00:24:54,890 Speaker 1: but it was never your place to jump in and 405 00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:59,850 Speaker 1: take it. It was never your place. And she just said, 406 00:24:59,850 --> 00:25:03,650 Speaker 1: you know, it just happened, and you know all the bullshit. 407 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:07,570 Speaker 1: But I do remember the last thing that I ever 408 00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:11,090 Speaker 1: said to her was I know that you believe in karma. 409 00:25:11,890 --> 00:25:14,330 Speaker 1: She just went really silent, and then she hung over 410 00:25:14,330 --> 00:25:19,530 Speaker 1: with me, and that was that. It was brutal. I 411 00:25:19,650 --> 00:25:24,370 Speaker 1: left that day and I had my sister's car and 412 00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:28,290 Speaker 1: I sat in that driver's seat for thirty minutes, and 413 00:25:28,330 --> 00:25:30,850 Speaker 1: he was up at the balcony and I just looked 414 00:25:30,890 --> 00:25:33,730 Speaker 1: at him for thirty minutes, crying, and he just was 415 00:25:33,770 --> 00:25:38,770 Speaker 1: shaking his head and driving away. Obviously was I didn't 416 00:25:38,770 --> 00:25:40,010 Speaker 1: think that was going to be the last time I 417 00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:44,930 Speaker 1: saw him, but it was. I feel like that day 418 00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:48,810 Speaker 1: tilted my world on its axis just by one degree, 419 00:25:48,970 --> 00:25:51,050 Speaker 1: that nothing would ever be the same again for me. 420 00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:57,370 Speaker 1: I understand that we had had our problems, but what 421 00:25:57,450 --> 00:26:03,290 Speaker 1: I couldn't understand and I never will, was Holly being 422 00:26:03,330 --> 00:26:07,890 Speaker 1: able to do that, like literally allowing herself to do 423 00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:14,250 Speaker 1: that to her best mate. I retreated to my mom's 424 00:26:14,290 --> 00:26:20,490 Speaker 1: for six months, and I was a mess. I was 425 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:24,450 Speaker 1: drinking too much. I felt like I was going crazy 426 00:26:25,330 --> 00:26:29,450 Speaker 1: because Tony and Holly were both kind of playing it 427 00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:33,570 Speaker 1: off like it's just happened, just you know, and it 428 00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:37,090 Speaker 1: consumed me. It was just sucker punch after suck a punch. 429 00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:43,370 Speaker 1: It's like, you don't just lose one person, you lose two. 430 00:26:43,610 --> 00:26:49,930 Speaker 1: That I You're everything, and the whole in my heart 431 00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:55,530 Speaker 1: was just so big. It changed me for sure. It 432 00:26:55,650 --> 00:27:00,370 Speaker 1: consumed me for years, this feeling of how could you 433 00:27:00,450 --> 00:27:08,770 Speaker 1: do that? I truly felt like I had an arm amputated, 434 00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:12,690 Speaker 1: and I was learning to live without that arm. You know, 435 00:27:12,770 --> 00:27:17,690 Speaker 1: it's your best mate, you confident, you go too. And 436 00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:20,730 Speaker 1: there was that element, But then there was also the 437 00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:25,490 Speaker 1: element of the other arms missing too, and those arms 438 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:30,490 Speaker 1: are holding hands together like bad metaphor, but that's what 439 00:27:30,530 --> 00:27:32,890 Speaker 1: it was like. I'm like, they've got each other and 440 00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:35,650 Speaker 1: they're talking each other through all of this, or they're 441 00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:39,210 Speaker 1: ignoring it and pretending that nothing's wrong, and I'm here 442 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:43,730 Speaker 1: just cocooned in this bubble of pain. Like it was 443 00:27:44,050 --> 00:27:48,570 Speaker 1: truly truly painful, the heartache where you can feel it 444 00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:52,290 Speaker 1: in your chest. It was horrible and it stayed with 445 00:27:52,330 --> 00:27:55,330 Speaker 1: me for a very long time, lost a piece of me, 446 00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:59,010 Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to function without it. He 447 00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:02,530 Speaker 1: was all I knew. We got together in such formative years, 448 00:28:03,170 --> 00:28:07,730 Speaker 1: and we grew into adults together and not having him 449 00:28:08,330 --> 00:28:12,530 Speaker 1: part of my life and part of my family was 450 00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:17,290 Speaker 1: just truly devastating. And it's a pain that I never 451 00:28:17,490 --> 00:28:20,410 Speaker 1: ever want to feel again ever, And I would not 452 00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:24,410 Speaker 1: wish it on anyone. I mean, what happened. It's so cliched, 453 00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:29,090 Speaker 1: the friend and the partner, but until you truly walk it, 454 00:28:30,170 --> 00:28:35,090 Speaker 1: you can't describe to people. There are so many different layers. 455 00:28:35,370 --> 00:28:40,530 Speaker 1: You know, there's shame, there's embarrassment, there's hurt, there's jealousy. 456 00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:43,170 Speaker 1: You know, I was jealous of her for a long time. 457 00:28:44,050 --> 00:28:47,370 Speaker 1: The list is huge. When Tony and I were in Canada, 458 00:28:47,410 --> 00:28:50,810 Speaker 1: we traveled for a while with really good twin friends 459 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:54,370 Speaker 1: of our and they knew Tony very well. One night 460 00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:56,850 Speaker 1: we all cried and they were like, we just can't 461 00:28:56,890 --> 00:28:59,970 Speaker 1: believe he did this, you know, like we've lost a 462 00:29:00,010 --> 00:29:03,730 Speaker 1: really good friend too. And you know, breakups aren't just 463 00:29:04,330 --> 00:29:07,770 Speaker 1: about the individuals, you know, they're far reaching. And it 464 00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:14,170 Speaker 1: was sad. I have my sister and my mom and 465 00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:18,090 Speaker 1: the friends like the twins, but they weren't her, And 466 00:29:18,130 --> 00:29:20,010 Speaker 1: it's like the only person that I know would make 467 00:29:20,050 --> 00:29:24,490 Speaker 1: me feel better is her. So I did a lot 468 00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:30,170 Speaker 1: of crying alone. I also went through my laptop and 469 00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:33,170 Speaker 1: deleted every single picture I ever had of her. I 470 00:29:33,210 --> 00:29:36,890 Speaker 1: didn't want any evidence of her. I just And it's funny, 471 00:29:36,930 --> 00:29:39,210 Speaker 1: because I'm usually quite a nostalgic person. I keep everything, 472 00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:43,370 Speaker 1: you know, notes and letters and which there was heaps 473 00:29:43,410 --> 00:29:46,290 Speaker 1: of from her, but I just I didn't want any 474 00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:51,810 Speaker 1: reminders because the other thing that happened was I compared 475 00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:57,090 Speaker 1: myself to her so much that it became, I think 476 00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:58,730 Speaker 1: a little bit sick for me. 477 00:30:00,610 --> 00:30:03,770 Speaker 2: Lucy couldn't keep living like this. Tony and Holly were gone, 478 00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:06,650 Speaker 2: taken off to their new life together without so much 479 00:30:06,730 --> 00:30:09,410 Speaker 2: as a glance back. But there were too many ghosts 480 00:30:09,410 --> 00:30:12,890 Speaker 2: in Lucy's life and even her career, so she decided 481 00:30:12,930 --> 00:30:16,690 Speaker 2: to pack her bags and start afresh again, this time 482 00:30:16,930 --> 00:30:18,650 Speaker 2: leaving Cheffing behind for good. 483 00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:20,890 Speaker 1: It was never going to be an industry where I 484 00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:24,450 Speaker 1: could have children. For me personally, that wasn't the lifestyle 485 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:28,370 Speaker 1: I wanted to be living with children, and I made 486 00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:30,810 Speaker 1: a decision that before I was thirty, I was going 487 00:30:30,890 --> 00:30:33,410 Speaker 1: to get out. And it was twenty nine and a 488 00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:38,690 Speaker 1: half when I got out. After six months, my younger 489 00:30:38,770 --> 00:30:41,890 Speaker 1: sister and I decided to move to Sydney start fresh. 490 00:30:42,850 --> 00:30:46,290 Speaker 1: The friend that I made in Mexico got me a 491 00:30:46,370 --> 00:30:52,370 Speaker 1: job in her advertising agency, which was so good for 492 00:30:52,490 --> 00:30:55,210 Speaker 1: my self esteem. I moved into something that when my 493 00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:59,730 Speaker 1: brain was being used and I felt valued. So I 494 00:30:59,850 --> 00:31:02,210 Speaker 1: built this really cool little life in Sydney. Had a 495 00:31:02,210 --> 00:31:05,730 Speaker 1: great group of friends, very social, got at gigs all 496 00:31:05,730 --> 00:31:08,850 Speaker 1: the time, just do really cool stuff. And even though 497 00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:12,730 Speaker 1: I loved it, they were always there. They were always 498 00:31:12,770 --> 00:31:15,210 Speaker 1: sitting on my shoulder. I was always thinking about them, 499 00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:20,050 Speaker 1: and I would watch over the years on Facebook, and 500 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:24,890 Speaker 1: over time she stopped really posting about him or their marriage, 501 00:31:25,890 --> 00:31:28,450 Speaker 1: and I just put that down to him being very 502 00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:32,930 Speaker 1: not into social media. So the day that I found 503 00:31:32,970 --> 00:31:38,610 Speaker 1: out that they got married, I went onto her Facebook 504 00:31:38,650 --> 00:31:42,650 Speaker 1: page and saw their wedding photos. You ever get that 505 00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:46,530 Speaker 1: feeling where you feel like your heart's dropped into your stomach. Yeah, 506 00:31:46,570 --> 00:31:51,690 Speaker 1: it was gut wrenching. They got married on the eighth 507 00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:55,050 Speaker 1: of the eighth of the eighth, a very auspicious good 508 00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:57,690 Speaker 1: luck date, which at the time I was like, yeah, 509 00:31:57,730 --> 00:32:02,890 Speaker 1: she's trying to protect herself from karma. We as a 510 00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:06,610 Speaker 1: couple had our problems. That was ours, but I will 511 00:32:06,650 --> 00:32:12,250 Speaker 1: never get over the pain that she caused me. I'm 512 00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:17,250 Speaker 1: really big on female friendship and the power of sisterhood, 513 00:32:17,250 --> 00:32:20,010 Speaker 1: and I just I'll never get my head around it. 514 00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:23,170 Speaker 1: I never will, And unfortunately I'm never going to get 515 00:32:23,170 --> 00:32:26,490 Speaker 1: those answers because obviously I don't want anything to do 516 00:32:26,530 --> 00:32:29,890 Speaker 1: with them. I have thought over the years about reaching out, 517 00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:35,290 Speaker 1: and just because over time I did a lot of work, 518 00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:40,050 Speaker 1: obviously many therapists, and I was like, I need to 519 00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:42,570 Speaker 1: get to a place where I can forgive because I 520 00:32:42,570 --> 00:32:46,010 Speaker 1: don't want to hold onto this bitterness, because that's just 521 00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:49,290 Speaker 1: so unhealthy in my eyes. So I worked really, really, 522 00:32:49,290 --> 00:32:51,930 Speaker 1: really hard, and I got to a place where I 523 00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:54,690 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, they were obviously meant to 524 00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:58,330 Speaker 1: be together, and even though it sucked that I was 525 00:32:58,330 --> 00:33:02,530 Speaker 1: the conduit, at least they found each other. And I 526 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:05,730 Speaker 1: had thought, you know, several times reaching out to her 527 00:33:06,410 --> 00:33:08,450 Speaker 1: and just saying, look, I know it was really shitty 528 00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:11,850 Speaker 1: and it was a horrible time, but I hope that 529 00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:14,930 Speaker 1: you're really happy. I never did. I think I just 530 00:33:15,010 --> 00:33:18,410 Speaker 1: chickened out because I was I don't know. And then 531 00:33:18,450 --> 00:33:20,450 Speaker 1: you know, of course my girlfriends are like, why would 532 00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:22,370 Speaker 1: you do that? Just leave it in the past, Leave 533 00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:25,290 Speaker 1: in the past. But for someone who thinks the way 534 00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:30,490 Speaker 1: that I do, it's always there. It's always just you know, haunting, 535 00:33:30,770 --> 00:33:32,450 Speaker 1: like caspar just around the corner. 536 00:33:33,050 --> 00:33:36,330 Speaker 2: But as it does, life went on. Lucy moved on 537 00:33:36,490 --> 00:33:39,130 Speaker 2: and tried the best she could to forget and heal 538 00:33:39,410 --> 00:33:42,290 Speaker 2: from the trauma her partner and best friend had left 539 00:33:42,290 --> 00:33:45,690 Speaker 2: in their wake, and years went by without hearing a 540 00:33:45,730 --> 00:33:50,210 Speaker 2: thing about or from the ghost of her past until. 541 00:33:50,290 --> 00:33:55,810 Speaker 1: It was only in August last year. So twenty twenty three, 542 00:33:56,890 --> 00:34:01,130 Speaker 1: and one of the original original original girlfriends from the 543 00:34:01,170 --> 00:34:05,410 Speaker 1: first restaurant in the city called me and we're just 544 00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:08,250 Speaker 1: having a chat about another apprentice that we used to 545 00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:12,090 Speaker 1: work with, and it was all casual, and she said, oh, oh, 546 00:34:12,130 --> 00:34:15,250 Speaker 1: I've got some news, and I'm like, what's that. She goes, 547 00:34:15,930 --> 00:34:19,170 Speaker 1: Tony in Holly broke up and I was driving my 548 00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:22,570 Speaker 1: car and I thought I was just going to have 549 00:34:22,610 --> 00:34:28,890 Speaker 1: to slam on the brakes. I was so shocked, and 550 00:34:28,930 --> 00:34:33,970 Speaker 1: there was a part of me that was sad for them, 551 00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:37,770 Speaker 1: and a part of me that was, huh, maybe that's 552 00:34:37,810 --> 00:34:40,010 Speaker 1: the karma. I don't know how it happened or what happened. 553 00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:43,570 Speaker 1: And she's like, you okay, and I was just bawling 554 00:34:43,570 --> 00:34:46,690 Speaker 1: my eyes out and I said, I just can't you know. 555 00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:51,290 Speaker 1: For years I was waiting to hear this, and now 556 00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:57,250 Speaker 1: that it's here, I feel so confused about how I feel. 557 00:34:58,090 --> 00:35:00,690 Speaker 1: I am genuinely sad that they broke up because I 558 00:35:00,690 --> 00:35:04,010 Speaker 1: did think that they would last. And I said, you 559 00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:08,210 Speaker 1: know what happened and she said, yeah, So they spent 560 00:35:08,810 --> 00:35:12,290 Speaker 1: ten plus years in the minds both of them big money, 561 00:35:13,290 --> 00:35:17,410 Speaker 1: and he had gambled it all away. And then I 562 00:35:17,570 --> 00:35:20,690 Speaker 1: just got so sad, you know, so sad for him. 563 00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:26,050 Speaker 1: He'd be what forty eight this year, so his wife 564 00:35:26,050 --> 00:35:28,210 Speaker 1: has walked out at me him. He's got no house, 565 00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:31,970 Speaker 1: he's got a job, but no money. I'm like, you 566 00:35:32,010 --> 00:35:35,210 Speaker 1: don't work that hard for so long to have nothing. 567 00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:40,570 Speaker 1: And so that was in the August, and then in 568 00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:44,530 Speaker 1: February this year. It wasn't pre planned. I hadn't thought 569 00:35:44,530 --> 00:35:47,730 Speaker 1: about it, but I picked up my phone and I 570 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:50,570 Speaker 1: searched him through Messenger and I sent him a message 571 00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:55,810 Speaker 1: and I said, hey, Tony, I heard that you and 572 00:35:55,810 --> 00:35:58,890 Speaker 1: Holly had broken up, and I'm really sorry to hear that. 573 00:35:59,530 --> 00:36:05,450 Speaker 1: I really hope that you're okay. Lucy. Anyway, the next 574 00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:11,250 Speaker 1: day I got a message and it said, yeah, I 575 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:14,050 Speaker 1: heard you. You've gone through hard things too. Life's tough. Hey. 576 00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:18,210 Speaker 1: I said, I'm really sorry to hear that, but I 577 00:36:18,250 --> 00:36:23,210 Speaker 1: genuinely hope that you're okay. And he said, well, Lucy, 578 00:36:23,530 --> 00:36:27,490 Speaker 1: she was my best friend. And I was like, I 579 00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:30,290 Speaker 1: have no idea what that feels like. Oh my god, 580 00:36:30,290 --> 00:36:33,010 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. And he said, so, I guess we 581 00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:36,090 Speaker 1: should catch up for a beer sometime and I just 582 00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:38,130 Speaker 1: left it and we never spoke again. 583 00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:40,490 Speaker 2: But she did hear a one more thing. 584 00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:46,010 Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, I caught up with another of the friends. 585 00:36:46,610 --> 00:36:49,850 Speaker 1: We went out to dinner. She said, oh my god, 586 00:36:50,330 --> 00:36:52,370 Speaker 1: I got a bit of an update about the breakup. 587 00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:58,530 Speaker 1: And I'm like what, and she said, well, Tony was 588 00:36:58,570 --> 00:37:02,010 Speaker 1: speaking to my brother and told him that Holly had 589 00:37:02,010 --> 00:37:04,610 Speaker 1: actually been having an affair on him for a year 590 00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:09,570 Speaker 1: or two. He's not sure of the timeline. Holly picked 591 00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:11,970 Speaker 1: up all of her stuff one day when he was 592 00:37:11,970 --> 00:37:17,890 Speaker 1: at work, left and that was that. But the kicker 593 00:37:17,970 --> 00:37:21,450 Speaker 1: for me is that the guy that she had the 594 00:37:21,490 --> 00:37:26,450 Speaker 1: affair with like two weeks later dumped. I know it's 595 00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:30,570 Speaker 1: also messing and gross, but there's part of me that's like, girlfriend, 596 00:37:30,770 --> 00:37:34,890 Speaker 1: I told you, Carma will get you full circle. Feel 597 00:37:34,890 --> 00:37:37,690 Speaker 1: like I've got my closure. Now there's no weight on 598 00:37:37,810 --> 00:37:41,650 Speaker 1: me in terms of what happened. I really tried hard 599 00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:47,450 Speaker 1: to show some grace and forgive and reaching out to him, 600 00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:52,370 Speaker 1: and what he said just made me think, Wow, you 601 00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:57,570 Speaker 1: have not grown one iota, and nor has she clearly, 602 00:37:58,370 --> 00:38:03,330 Speaker 1: which is sad for them, But I mean that's where 603 00:38:03,330 --> 00:38:07,890 Speaker 1: it goes. I'd spent so many years picturing them being 604 00:38:07,930 --> 00:38:12,370 Speaker 1: so happy and almost having to ret that in my 605 00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:16,570 Speaker 1: brain just to put the picture right, if that makes sense. 606 00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:21,530 Speaker 1: She wasn't perfect, he wasn't perfect. You know, when you 607 00:38:21,570 --> 00:38:25,010 Speaker 1: break up to I think you idealize things. It's not 608 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:28,010 Speaker 1: actually like that, but I think your brain does it 609 00:38:28,090 --> 00:38:32,210 Speaker 1: because it's trying to hold onto some good memories. So yeah, 610 00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:35,690 Speaker 1: I mean, I just despair for both of them, to 611 00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:39,250 Speaker 1: be honest, there are some things that happened I'm like, oh, 612 00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:42,730 Speaker 1: she would crack up at that, or you know, certain 613 00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:45,730 Speaker 1: situations that I've been through, and I do miss her. 614 00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:50,370 Speaker 1: But maybe the way that she was supposed to evolve 615 00:38:50,410 --> 00:38:52,690 Speaker 1: as a person and the way that I was supposed 616 00:38:52,690 --> 00:38:56,250 Speaker 1: to evolve as a person just weren't aligned. And that's 617 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:59,530 Speaker 1: just that's just the way life goes. It was my 618 00:38:59,650 --> 00:39:03,730 Speaker 1: first friend break up. Like you know, you lose friends 619 00:39:03,730 --> 00:39:07,770 Speaker 1: through life for whatever reasons, and there that was pretty 620 00:39:07,810 --> 00:39:13,490 Speaker 1: brutal throughout this whole journey. It put a spotlight on 621 00:39:13,570 --> 00:39:17,690 Speaker 1: female friendship for me and how devastating it can be 622 00:39:17,730 --> 00:39:20,770 Speaker 1: when you lose them. It's an emotional relationship that you 623 00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:25,610 Speaker 1: have and it's emotional intimacy, and just because it's not 624 00:39:26,210 --> 00:39:30,210 Speaker 1: physical does not mean at all that it doesn't feel 625 00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:34,730 Speaker 1: the same way when you lose it. Breathing of her 626 00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:38,570 Speaker 1: it took me years, years because you know, you know, 627 00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:40,410 Speaker 1: back in the day we would talk about having kids 628 00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:43,010 Speaker 1: at the same time raising them to be like great 629 00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:46,970 Speaker 1: little humans, and it was just a given that we're 630 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:48,890 Speaker 1: going to be in our lives each other's lives forever, 631 00:39:49,570 --> 00:39:54,250 Speaker 1: which again went back to how you could do that, 632 00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:58,490 Speaker 1: you know, just you know, I could get back on 633 00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:02,410 Speaker 1: the circle of why and how, but it's all just 634 00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:08,930 Speaker 1: for me. One huge lesson for me. My lesson is 635 00:40:09,370 --> 00:40:16,570 Speaker 1: about being resilient and trying to accept that not everyone 636 00:40:17,770 --> 00:40:20,170 Speaker 1: will act or behave the way that you want them to, 637 00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:24,330 Speaker 1: and you have to make choices. I guess about who 638 00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:27,090 Speaker 1: you let into your life and who you don't. And 639 00:40:27,130 --> 00:40:30,450 Speaker 1: sometimes they just lessons that you don't see coming, really 640 00:40:31,290 --> 00:40:35,410 Speaker 1: just just life. I was very lucky in that when 641 00:40:35,410 --> 00:40:36,770 Speaker 1: I went to Sydney, I did have a good group 642 00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:39,010 Speaker 1: of friends around me, and they were fully aware of 643 00:40:39,090 --> 00:40:44,250 Speaker 1: the situation and they cuddled me and took me through 644 00:40:44,290 --> 00:40:48,530 Speaker 1: some pretty rough nights, and yeah, I mean, that's the 645 00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:52,290 Speaker 1: thing about heartbreak is when you're in it, this is 646 00:40:52,330 --> 00:40:55,410 Speaker 1: the forever. But when you walk through it, like walk 647 00:40:55,450 --> 00:40:58,290 Speaker 1: through the fire, and you get to the other end, 648 00:40:59,090 --> 00:41:02,410 Speaker 1: there is such a sense of oh, wow, like I 649 00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:06,730 Speaker 1: did it. It's satisfying in a weird way. You know. 650 00:41:06,850 --> 00:41:11,810 Speaker 1: It's like proving to yourself that yeah, I'm okay. I've 651 00:41:11,890 --> 00:41:15,970 Speaker 1: spent so long trying to get closure that I think 652 00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:19,850 Speaker 1: the more I think about it moving forward, it's just counterproductive. 653 00:41:20,490 --> 00:41:24,610 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I just that's the story. Let's just 654 00:41:24,850 --> 00:41:28,170 Speaker 1: move right on. And if anything, you know, I just 655 00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:33,650 Speaker 1: hope that for anyone that's listening really really knows, for 656 00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:36,570 Speaker 1: any heartbreak that you're going through, you're going to come 657 00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:38,290 Speaker 1: out of it and you're going to come out of 658 00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:41,770 Speaker 1: it stronger and better. And that's kind of what I 659 00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:46,090 Speaker 1: really hope people feel. Because it's possible, you just have 660 00:41:46,170 --> 00:41:47,690 Speaker 1: to really do some hard work. 661 00:41:49,930 --> 00:41:52,850 Speaker 2: Lucy did do the work, and life did move forward. 662 00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:56,770 Speaker 2: Not only that, but it became really wonderful were than 663 00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:57,930 Speaker 2: she ever imagined it. 664 00:41:57,930 --> 00:42:03,050 Speaker 1: Cooked moving to Sydney for a start, making a really 665 00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:07,290 Speaker 1: good bunch of friends, and exposing myself to a life 666 00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:09,530 Speaker 1: that I'd never lived before. I'd never lived in Sydney before, 667 00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:14,330 Speaker 1: so it was just fun and advertising is you know, 668 00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:18,530 Speaker 1: super social and fun and you know, going on photo 669 00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:21,730 Speaker 1: shoots and TV shoots and it was a really good 670 00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:25,850 Speaker 1: distraction for me, and that's what I needed. And then yeah, 671 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:31,170 Speaker 1: I met a boy and we very quickly settled down 672 00:42:31,730 --> 00:42:35,570 Speaker 1: and moved back to the city that it all started. 673 00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:39,890 Speaker 1: And yeah, I had our two little girls. So I 674 00:42:39,970 --> 00:42:44,170 Speaker 1: split from turning in two thousand and seven and didn't 675 00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:49,930 Speaker 1: meet my fella until twenty thirteen. So I was single 676 00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:53,010 Speaker 1: for quite a while. And it was in those years 677 00:42:53,090 --> 00:42:55,890 Speaker 1: that were really defining for me in terms of my 678 00:42:56,010 --> 00:43:00,690 Speaker 1: mental health and learning how to deal with everything that 679 00:43:00,730 --> 00:43:05,610 Speaker 1: had happened. Very formative, very formative. But you know, I 680 00:43:05,650 --> 00:43:09,490 Speaker 1: look at my girls and I always think I've got 681 00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:11,010 Speaker 1: so much to teach you. If you ever need it, 682 00:43:11,770 --> 00:43:14,850 Speaker 1: I've got like a suitcase full of it. Life is good. 683 00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:19,450 Speaker 1: Life is really good. So the fella and I split up, 684 00:43:19,930 --> 00:43:24,290 Speaker 1: which is fine, and the three of us have this 685 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:28,410 Speaker 1: beautiful of life. I own a home, we've got a pool, 686 00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:33,410 Speaker 1: we're close to the beach. Their healthy, happy, Their dad 687 00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:37,890 Speaker 1: and I and his wife are all good friends. And 688 00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:44,130 Speaker 1: I'm satisfied. All I've wanted to be was happy, and 689 00:43:45,330 --> 00:43:48,370 Speaker 1: I finally got there, and I look at those two 690 00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:51,690 Speaker 1: girls and I'm like, man, have I got some stories 691 00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:51,930 Speaker 1: for you? 692 00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:07,890 Speaker 2: Everyone has an EGGX is a Minti Media production and 693 00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:10,530 Speaker 2: proudly you're part of the Mum and Mea Network. Is 694 00:44:10,530 --> 00:44:13,850 Speaker 2: written and narrated by me Georgia Love and produced by 695 00:44:13,890 --> 00:44:16,490 Speaker 2: Linda Scott. If you have a story you'd like to share, 696 00:44:16,650 --> 00:44:20,570 Speaker 2: email podcast at momamea dot com dot au. 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