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Speaker 2: I'm not doing this to myself anymore. I'm loving myself.

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Speaker 2: I'm nurturing myself. I'm supporting myself through my failures, and

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Speaker 2: I'm accepting me flaws it all. I think accountability, personal accountability,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the C's the YA Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing. We work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those found lives they adore the good,

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Speaker 1: all the facets of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson

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Speaker 1: or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned unentrepreneur who

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Speaker 1: swapped the suits and heels to co found Matcha Maiden

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Speaker 1: and matcha Milk Bar. C CYA is a series of

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Speaker 1: conversations on finding a life you love and exploring the

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Speaker 1: self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along the way. Hello,

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Speaker 1: lovely gighborhood. I'm so excited about today's guest. If you

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Speaker 1: follow me, you'll already know how much I admire her talents,

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Speaker 1: and if you follow her, those talents will need absolutely

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Speaker 1: no introduction. On the off chance you don't, however, you've

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Speaker 1: still probably seen her work without realizing it draped on

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Speaker 1: some of the nation's biggest names, although to be fair,

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Speaker 1: you do already know of Effie Kat's I'm honored to

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Speaker 1: share a bit more about the wonderful woman behind the

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Speaker 1: immaculately polished exterior. Although you'd never expect it, we have

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Speaker 1: perceived failure, and burnout, and yet she is one of

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Speaker 1: the most successful, hard working, trailblazing women in the business,

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Speaker 1: shaping our perception of style with her eponymous made to

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Speaker 1: measure label Efie Cats and it's ready to wear sister

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Speaker 1: Base brand. I love that Effie learned the trade in

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Speaker 1: her family's workroom, alongside her father and grandmother, who have

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Speaker 1: over forty years of experience in the industry, which you'll

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Speaker 1: of Efie from her first business, Zachary Label, which she

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Speaker 1: a story of its own with so many themes we

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Speaker 1: this woman, and I loved getting to know a little

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Speaker 1: part of going through people's path yea, And if you

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Speaker 1: don't have Efi Cats or Base in your wardrobe, get

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Speaker 1: on that. Stat links are in the show notes and

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Speaker 1: Effie Cats, Welcome to Ceza.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: I do not know how it has taken me this

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Speaker 1: long to have you on the show. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: admired you for so many years, totally look up to you,

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Speaker 1: love you to death. You're amazing. It is such an

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Speaker 2: Well, the feeling's mutual.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Before we get into your story, and

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Speaker 1: such a big, very immaculate social media and media presidence.

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Speaker 1: You are one of Australia's most beloved names in fashion

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Speaker 2: I think I can never match my socks, no way,

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Speaker 2: I don't know why that was the first thing that

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Speaker 1: I love that you've blown me away. I seriously, every

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Speaker 1: time I see you, I'm like, you were so immaculately

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Speaker 2: Those like you could give me lazy underwear from like

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Speaker 2: Agent Provocateur and I'd be like, no, give me my

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Speaker 2: I want my big dogs, my my five pack.

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Speaker 1: Your five pave such good value, such good value, affordable entree.

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Speaker 2: Patterns are not really my jam, but you know, but

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Speaker 3: I get what I am.

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Speaker 1: I get what I get. Lady of the People, you

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Speaker 1: this makes me extraordinarily happy. I am a granny undie girl.

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Speaker 1: But if I have to not be granny undie because

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Speaker 3: And then I'm picking them out. I'm like, nah, just

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Speaker 1: You're right, they are wegie prone. They are prone. This

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Speaker 2: know my army like cargo pants are the spy skirl

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Speaker 1: I wish I didn't throw mine now. Yeah, I know

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Speaker 1: nineties is back in a big really bad. You have

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Speaker 2: I was just saying to James. Actually, while we were

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Speaker 2: And my friend, this was like twenty seventeen, so before

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Speaker 2: Kim ever wore them like I bought them. My friend

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Speaker 2: was like, why are you wearing those? And I was like, mate,

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Speaker 2: these are cool. Yeah, And I'm telling you now they're

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Speaker 2: and behold they did.

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Speaker 1: Are they the ones you've been wearing.

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Speaker 2: So, okay, I do have one pair of potagers that

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Speaker 1: You've got jas.

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Speaker 3: Friend was like they from a server.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, honey, not all that.

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Speaker 2: My other pairs are from r C A trading shop.

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Speaker 2: No RCA fifteen bucks, yes, stop, all colors, lots of

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Speaker 2: What you hear. So my red ones that I water

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Speaker 2: Old?

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00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are we doing? Remember when you thought you

441
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: were old at like twenty two. It's like I'm getting

442
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 1: a lot at my god, No, it was a baby,

443
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,400
Speaker 1: but whatever. I didn't have like one.

444
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 2: Bit of botox in my face, but I didn't my god,

445
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

446
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 1: It's so interesting. We are so hard on ourselves to

447
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,479
Speaker 1: have it all together, but now looking at where you've

448
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 1: got to, it's like all those dots connect. Now you

449
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: had to go through all of that to get to

450
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: the Well.

451
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: It's funny. It's just like I used those skills from

452
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: those you know studies that I did, so like, you know,

453
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: I didn't have that much budget when I started out

454
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: with my brand, so I would shoot, you did the

455
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 2: photograph and the PR retouch everything, and then I knew

456
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 2: how to pr myself.

457
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: See, it's all meant to be. I always think the

458
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: dots will always connect, and you don't see it at

459
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 1: the time. You can only do it in so you.

460
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: Just have to trust exactly.

461
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: That's a big thing I've learned in my journey because

462
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 2: I felt like I was completely lost enough track and

463
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: I'd give myself anxiety and have these panic attacks. But

464
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 2: really it was all falling into place. So if there's

465
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: any advice I can give anyone, it's let it fall

466
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 2: into place and take the lessons that you're meant to

467
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: take from each piece of your journey.

468
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's my favorite. That's like the ultimate

469
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: theme of CZA is that you never really know where

470
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: it's going until it's like me, just actually just chill

471
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: the fuck.

472
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: To render to the journey. Not completely, but.

473
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: Okay, so twenty three year old f he starts Zachary

474
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: the label, which I don't know how many I can't

475
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: even tell you how many people. The first time some

476
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,400
Speaker 1: of my friends from like high school saw me, you're

477
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 1: tagging you and stuff, hanging out with you. They're like

478
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 1: every from Hungary, Like that was such a formative part

479
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: about growing up.

480
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: It was it was like the clubbing go to.

481
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: It was the clubbing go to. Oh my god, So

482
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: tell us about that chapter. Like you were so young

483
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: and you started your own business in fashion and up

484
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: against you know, the Manning cartels and the cook I like,

485
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: what was that? Like, what was that chapter? That was

486
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: five years I.

487
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: Think because we had a product that was so unique.

488
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: I identified a gap in the market and I went

489
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: for it. And I think because there was that gap

490
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: and me, you know, as my consumer, I was my consumer.

491
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: My friends with my consumer, you know, I knew exactly

492
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 2: what we wanted and it just took off, like you know,

493
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: but on the flip side, I had no idea how

494
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: to run a business.

495
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: You were like two years old, so it's probably fine.

496
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:56,239
Speaker 2: And I had no idea how to manufacture clothes. That

497
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: was a bit of a problem.

498
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: For a closed business owner, A little bit of a hiccup. Yeah.

499
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: So you know, obviously I had some background because my

500
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: dad was tailor, but stretch is a completely different beast.

501
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: YEA.

502
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 3: So basically, in.

503
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Speaker 2: Short, I'm going to give you like crash course right now,

504
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: love it. Stretch fabric will stretch x amount. If the

505
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: stitching does not stretch the same amount, there's a breaking point,

506
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: and that is what creates a faulty garment. So it

507
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: has been sewn in a particular way so that there

508
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: is no breaking point, right. A lot of machinists don't know.

509
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: So for us, you know, we started small. We started local,

510
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: and you know, we could sort of jump on issues

511
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: and fix them. Then we started because we physically could

512
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: not keep up with the demand here, so we moved

513
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 2: production offshore.

514
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Speaker 1: I can see like the trauma coming back to you.

515
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: We started in Thailand because that's where we produce our

516
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: suits in Bangkok.

517
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: Oh amazing.

518
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we had our own office there set up,

519
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 2: and then we would sort of outsource work and so

520
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: we started that. I remember one time my dad had

521
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: gone to kind of clear some things up because they

522
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: weren't stewing with the correct threat attention and he confused

523
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 2: them and they produced half of our range with the

524
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 2: fabric inside out.

525
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, great, amazing, great, pretty much killing it,

526
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: killing it. It was great.

527
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: Any issue you could imagine that could arise did arise,

528
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 2: And I literally learned how to make clothes on the

529
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 2: go through mistakes and extremely costly ones. At that's how

530
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: I learned.

531
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: But don't you think that's the way. Everyone like, that's

532
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: the best way to learn. I mean not by losing

533
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 1: well and then like all the times that things don't

534
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: work out save you from making a big your mistake.

535
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: Next time, we made those really really bigness.

536
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, they helped me.

537
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: Now it helps, But back then there were a lot

538
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 3: of sleepless nights.

539
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many, and people don't realize and tears. I

540
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: was in the fetal positions so many times in the bathroom,

541
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: locking myself and being like, how are we going to

542
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: get out of this? I don't know. Yeah, I can't

543
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 2: tell you, but I always say Zachary was like my

544
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: training wheels. So I ended up through that process making

545
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: the ultimate mistake because I got a business partner. And

546
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: I won't delve into that too deeply, but don't get

547
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: a business partner.

548
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: Short answer, So that was horrible.

549
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: Essentially, I was removed and then the business went into

550
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: administration before I was officially removed, so I went through

551
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: that whole process as well, lost all my money. I

552
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: spent five months just having a nervous breakdown and between

553
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: calls from accountants to lawyers to you know, it was

554
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: just in my bathrobe having a breakdown dealing with that.

555
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: So that was the sort of closing chapter of Zachary.

556
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: And then I was like, okay, well I've noticed another

557
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: gap in the market.

558
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: I love this.

559
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: This is like the phoenix coming from It's so funny.

560
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: Can I just say one of my friends had this

561
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: friend out with us once and he was.

562
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: Like telling me.

563
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: He was like and I was like, oh, okay.

564
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: George, yeah, cute, cute for you.

565
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then he was like no, no, I am.

566
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: He's like, you want to start a brand?

567
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: And I was like, this was before Zachary, right, so.

568
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah right. He was like it's going to be

569
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right, crazy right. And then I saw

570
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,479
Speaker 2: him sort of as we were creeping towards the end

571
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: of that cycle, and he's like, you're going to lose everything.

572
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: Oh by the way.

573
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 3: So I really tried to enjoy my after that, but

574
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: I did not.

575
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was like, but you are keep seeing

576
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 2: the phoenix. You are like the episodes my goosebumps. Yeah right.

577
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: He was like, you will rise from the ashes and

578
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be bigger and better. And I was like, I'm.

579
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: Losing it, gosh, but that is like this is I

580
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: love that you said, Zachar's your training wheels because I

581
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: think even when chapters come to an end, they happen

582
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: for a reason.

583
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I think the thing is people go

584
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: through stuff and they're like poor me, why me? And

585
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: it's just so not the right way to look at

586
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: things because you just get into this cycle of depression.

587
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: For me, I looked at it and I went, what

588
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: role did I play in this? Down to the business ana.

589
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: You shall not be change?

590
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: You know?

591
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: Why was I at that point in my life where

592
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: I felt the need to bring someone like that on?

593
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: Or you know what energy was I putting out to

594
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: attract someone like that? And I take full responsibility for

595
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: every part of that, and that gave me peace in

596
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: that process rather than blaming. And so I really during

597
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: that nervous breakdown period it was really introspective. You went

598
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: back to you, I went back to my roots, back

599
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: to your journaled. I actually did journal.

600
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: That is so interesting that you went back to that.

601
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, well, clearly we have some

602
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: character flaws that we need to smooth out.

603
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: Here are so reflective, I really am.

604
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: I love that and a curse?

605
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I agree, yeah.

606
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: Yes, so that's what I did. I was like, okay,

607
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 2: why And I was reading this book at the time,

608
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: and I recommend these books highly to anyone who's going through.

609
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: Really, I'm like, I need the name of this book.

610
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: It was called how to Heal Yourself When no One

611
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: Else can. Yes, And there is this exercise. It was

612
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: like I always refer back to this because it was

613
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: like the most profound, like it was a really profound

614
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: moment in my life. Or it asks you to list

615
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: what is preventing you from living your truest, deepest light.

616
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: I know it was dark, so I was like, you know,

617
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: it just frighten it all out, and I'm like, oh

618
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: my god, oh my god. One of them was I

619
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: am so mean to myself internally that if it was

620
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: anyone else, it would be considered abuse and it's true.

621
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: And I actually broke down crying when I did it

622
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: because I was like, I am, I am so hard

623
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: on myself and mean to myself. Yeah, mean to myself

624
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 2: because I don't give myself a break like.

625
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: Cove me some slash, now, come on stopping a shit blow.

626
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: I really was, and that's when I learned, you know what, No,

627
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this to myself anymore. I'm loving myself.

628
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm nurturing myself. I'm supporting myself through my failures, and

629
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: I'm accepting me flaws at all because I'm not going

630
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: into this next chapter like this. I still do at times,

631
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: but I really tried to be well rounded, to kind

632
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: of become a well rounded.

633
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: You are so well adjusted. That is insane and that

634
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: is so powerful. Just that just gives me goosebumps. That

635
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: you had the choice of how you were going to

636
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: approach a really shit situation.

637
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because yeah, everything really shifted from the

638
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: day that I wrote that. It was like I put

639
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: it out into the universe and it was really hard

640
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: seeing it in black and white in front of me.

641
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: But things just started to fall into place after that.

642
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: I think accountability personal accountability absolute anything you want to

643
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: do in life so important.

644
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: So true, and the idea that you can't control what

645
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: happens to you. The situation was shit, but you can

646
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: control your approach to that.

647
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: Why did it come into your life? You know?

648
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: What can you do better?

649
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: How do you need to change or evolve or you

650
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: know what? Is it?

651
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: Totally? And I love the quote for that, which is

652
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: that not all storms come to disrupt your life. Some

653
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: come to clear a path. Because this one obviously fucked up.

654
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: You know everything you had going, but to clear a path.

655
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: For what can you do? And you know what, It's

656
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: interesting because I never thought that I so I put

657
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: all my self worth into Zachary, and I thought Zachary

658
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: was the most amazing thing because I totally wrapped up

659
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: my self worth into that, right, and I didn't believe

660
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: that I personally was anything great. I was like, oh, no, no, no,

661
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: people don't care about me. They don't want to see me.

662
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: They want Zachary, you know. And at the time I

663
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: had a partner and he was like, no, you need

664
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: to put your self out there. People want to see you,

665
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: they want to connect with you. And I was like, no,

666
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: they don't. He was like yeah, we're gonna start taking

667
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: photos of you. And I was like, dude, no one

668
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: wants to see me in anything.

669
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 1: Trust me.

670
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: People any think I'm a try hard taking photos of

671
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: my you know, like, no, we can't do that. And

672
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: he was like, get up. You got no choice, you

673
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: got no money, you got nothing. You've got to sell

674
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: your product. You've got to connect with people. And I

675
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: had done some research at the time and I was

676
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: looking at like brand you know, social media pages and

677
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: pages of influencers and like they would have the same

678
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: amount of followers, or the brands might have more, but

679
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: the influencer pages had so much more interaction.

680
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: So I was like another girl.

681
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will make the brand me.

682
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: And then Effie Katz was borns was born. And I

683
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: also love that because I think you are not only

684
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: exactly your target market in terms of how knowing what

685
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: to create, but also you wearing your stuff, especially just

686
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: before it launches, is the cleverest marketing strategy. We see

687
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: you wearing stuff like just before it's live, and everyone's like,

688
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: where'd you get that from?

689
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: What is it?

690
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: You're like, well, I made it, it's me. And then

691
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: like a week later you're like, here's the link. It's

692
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: so clever.

693
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: Where we're trying to cut that timeline down now so

694
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: that when I wear something it's available straight away. That's

695
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: the next But.

696
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of cool. It's kind of like scarcity model

697
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: that it's like, oooh coming soon.

698
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 2: Well, my other passion really is like styling looks like

699
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 2: creating a piece, but bringing the whole thing together, hair, makeup, accessories.

700
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 2: I know, I'm like James, I need this new bag.

701
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: It just completes this.

702
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: Looks like it is important for my mental must have

703
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: this new Balenciaga bag. You don't understand. It elevates everything.

704
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: Because I saved money on my Rsea sunglasses. You see

705
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: exactly cool.

706
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: See the balance in the butget.

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721
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Speaker 1: interesting that you said it took a really long time,

722
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: because this is what a lot of founders struggle with,

723
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: is putting their face to the brand. It's really a

724
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: lot more comfortable to sit behind and let your product

725
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: or your service speak for itself, which is amazing, and

726
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: you want the business to be able to run without you,

727
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: but making a choice to put yourself forward because that

728
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: people buy into you. They do as a consumer, I

729
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: buy into the person more than I do totally the brand.

730
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: And if you moved inside of something wise, I go

731
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: with you, not the clothes.

732
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: It's the why. I mean, I watched this, I think

733
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 2: it was a ted talk and it was like your

734
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: why is so important, Like you know, you've got apple,

735
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: You've got Samsung, you got you know, and everyone's buying

736
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 2: Apple why because it's the why, it's the It's they're

737
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: selling a lifestyle, they're selling you. You know, this whole

738
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: package around this product. You want to be a part

739
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: of it.

740
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 4: You know.

741
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: It's so true. And I think, like the Heights, you

742
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: have taken the brand to buy, putting yourself as part

743
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: of it and making it like you're the embodiment of it.

744
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: But it also you represent your own brand so well

745
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: and you wear it and run, you know, you wear

746
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: it to events and stuff. That's what gives you that

747
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: extra thing. That's what makes it so different. It means

748
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: no one can replicate what you're doing because they can't

749
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: replicate you.

750
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, exactly, I mean genius, right, it's.

751
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: So no choice. But that whole thing about like Zachary,

752
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: being your whole identity, I think that's something all of

753
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: us identify with thought that a chapter of your life

754
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: becomes who you are and then you don't know how

755
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: to be on your person.

756
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's why I totally broke down was because

757
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: all my self worth was not with me. It was

758
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: in this brand and that's actually not healthy. And every

759
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: time I've been sort of let down. It's because I've

760
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: attached my self worth to a certain situation or an

761
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: outcome or something, you know what I mean, And it's

762
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: like and having this expectation around it, that's how you

763
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: get let down.

764
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: Not sustainable.

765
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: It's not sustainable.

766
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Those things will like chapters are meant to finish, they're

767
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: meant to evolve, and you won't know how to rebuild yourself.

768
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: So when you did sort of, I mean, one of

769
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: the other quotes that I really love is that the

770
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: comeback is always stronger than the setback, which it obviously

771
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: has been in your I think that.

772
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Speaker 2: I was like, it's funny because there's this duality in

773
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: me where there's this part of me that's like, yes,

774
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: I can do anything. If I put my mind to something,

775
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: I will achieve it. And then there's the other part

776
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: that's like, you suck, you're an impostor everyone's going to

777
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: figure it out, and.

778
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: It's like Clash of the Titans.

779
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: It's so true, do you know what? I think? Almost

780
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: everyone who's doing anything that's a little bit different or

781
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: that does require some sort of confidence also is plagued

782
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: by this side of their personality.

783
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: It's like everyone's going to figure out how much you suck,

784
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: and then.

785
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 3: No one's going to want to buy your stuff or

786
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 3: be in front of you. No one will, you know.

787
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, we know so common. It is so unbelievably common.

788
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: And that's why we talk about it so much on

789
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: the show because I I think it's easy to forget

790
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: anyone has it because the US that we project often

791
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 1: even the US that's plagued by anxiety and self doubt,

792
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: totally the US that's feeling good that day or that minute.

793
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 2: I want to get to the point where I can

794
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: express that part of myself on my social media.

795
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: I'll get there.

796
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm a work in progress.

797
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: Even the fact that you talk about it, Yeah, that

798
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: is already a huge step, because it's hard to even

799
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: say that you experience those feelings. Yeah, and I.

800
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: Feel like that in my experience. The more vulnerable I

801
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: make myself, I guess to people outside my really tight circle,

802
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: then people come for you and I'm just like, no,

803
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm just I can't.

804
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's right now. It's hard. But I also think

805
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: the more you do it, and the more you set

806
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: up the expectation that that's what you'll be talking about,

807
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: then the louder voice has become the ones who are like,

808
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: you change my life because you reminded me that I'm human.

809
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Those ones do it.

810
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: You know, I started doing that. I was talking about

811
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 2: my anxiety. I was like, you know, this is my vulnerability,

812
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: but I'm like taking charge of it and I'm going

813
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: to use it for good. And I remember this message

814
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: from a girl who thought she was sending it to

815
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Speaker 2: her friend. Oh my god, no, and she was like,

816
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: boo freakin' whoe.

817
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 3: No.

818
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: See but that's like the smallest mi But I'm sure

819
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Speaker 1: that's what all your brain.

820
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Speaker 2: Well it's funny because I replied and I was like, well,

821
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: actually people have responded, and I sent screenshots. I was like, look,

822
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: people have responded to me saying how meaningful this is

823
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 2: to them because I actually knew the girl really well, so.

824
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, acquaint acquaintance.

825
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah, look, I guess it's just

826
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: you know, you have so many positive things going on

827
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: in your life. I just don't understand why you can't

828
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: focus on those instead. Oh.

829
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: I was like, that is so difficult. I think that's

830
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: a huge combination of atol poppy syndrome. That be the

831
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: idea like everything is relative.

832
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: Everything is relative, and I think I think it is

833
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 2: important to share both. I guess for me, it's working

834
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: out how to share both in a way that's constructive.

835
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: And that doesn't invite that kind of Yeah, getting.

836
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: The introspective gal that I am, I was like, well,

837
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: maybe I'm not expressing it way, maybe I could do

838
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: it better. And then it was just like, oh, too hard.

839
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just not do that right now.

840
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: But it's so interesting that your brain thought those thoughts,

841
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: like maybe I should stop this all together because of

842
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: one person, when I'm sure the amount of positive messages

843
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: is you got as a ratio to the one negative one.

844
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: That seems funny.

845
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: It's always that one, isn't it.

846
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: It was probably one in hundreds. And that's the thing

847
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: about self doubt and imposter syndrome is that it's speak

848
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: so much louder than all your other thoughts about yourself.

849
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing was it was like, okay,

850
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: well I will focus on all the good things in

851
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: my life and I'm just gonna hone in on that.

852
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so how do you you know when you

853
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: were starting basically from scratch and again, like now, when

854
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: you say E Fiicats. Most people in Australia are like, yeah,

855
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: we know the amazing, amazing label, the amazing woman. But

856
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, at the beginning, you hadn't used your name

857
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: that often. It wasn't associated with you. Zachary was stood

858
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: on its own. You were starting from beginning.

859
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: Actually, my business partner said to me, we need to

860
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: take buy e Fiekats off the bio and I was like, oh,

861
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: and he's like, because it's an ethnic name and you

862
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: will alienate our Australian customer bank eat your words. So yeah,

863
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: that was my way of reclaiming my power back as well.

864
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: So I was like, I love, Actually, we are going

865
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: to make a brand around my ethnic name.

866
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: And people are gonna eat that up. Ah. But at

867
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: the beginning, when you you know, probably did have a

868
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: lot of those thoughts coming back in. You know, when

869
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: you launch something, you don't know that it's cool until

870
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: it's until it's cool totally. But you have to do

871
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: all the work you do in the meantime being like

872
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: are people gonna like it? Aren't? They like? How did

873
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: you get past the self doubt to actually start?

874
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: Never joys? I was broke, no joys.

875
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's good to not have a plan be.

876
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: And again one of my friends was like, why don't

877
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 2: you just go get a job, And I was like,

878
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: she's like, you don't need to be a rock star

879
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: all the time.

880
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, that's interesting advice.

881
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: It's not about being a rock star. It's about living

882
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 2: out my dream and my passion. And there's nothing wrong

883
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: with working for someone else. Don't get me wrong, nothing

884
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: at all. But for me, I'm a terrible employee.

885
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: Have you been an employee? Where did you work?

886
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: I actually worked a Q for years now. I was

887
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: great for you.

888
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: Stop that.

889
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: I kin't of imagine you in retail, but retail, I.

890
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 2: Actually worked for another boutique. Well.

891
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 3: I did learn a lot.

892
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: I won't say where. But my boss was very set

893
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: in her ways, didn't like taking on a lot of

894
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: I guess likes, and you know, we had some tense

895
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: conversations around like just things that weren't right, and I

896
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I don't like them, and I need

897
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: to be my own boss. No one's going to talk

898
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: to me like this.

899
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: But that's awesome because you also need to know yourself

900
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: total that kind of structure.

901
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: And I took that on as well, and I was like,

902
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: I will never be a boss like that.

903
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: Yes, So I've.

904
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 2: Carried that on into my yeah, yess yes, yeah, I'll

905
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: never be a boss like that. I will never ever

906
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: talk to people like that. So that can handy to.

907
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: And that comes back to your empathy thing as well,

908
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: that I think you do approach everything that you do

909
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: with a very human focused and even the way that

910
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: you like. I've seen you watch people put your clothes on,

911
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: including myself, and go from like you know, putting on

912
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: address to just feeling confident, and how you get so satisfied.

913
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: I do watching you get so excited when you know

914
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: someone feels a million dollars in something you created. Yeah,

915
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: like that. It shows the best feeling.

916
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 2: It's the best. I literally live for that feeling. That's

917
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: why if something is not quite right, I'm.

918
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: Like, I can't do it literally. So that was twenty thirteen.

919
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: Is that when Epacat's no.

920
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: Zachary I started in twenty and thirteen?

921
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: Oh sorry sorry? And then seventeen was the end of that. Yeah, well.

922
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: Finally in twenty eighteen March and then I started up.

923
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, but I had my things in yeah, yeah, okay,

924
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: it broke.

925
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 3: Down five months of nothing else. I had to clear

926
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: it because I'm one of.

927
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 2: Those if I'm going through something, I'm You're in it.

928
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm in it. Yeah yeah, and I feel things very deeply,

929
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: which again blessing the curse. But it was just lost

930
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: so many feels, so much.

931
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: There's a lot of feelings in this bar. I couldn't

932
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: do anything else.

933
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 3: But the minute it was done, I was like, let's

934
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: go yeah, yeah.

935
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And so how because the team now

936
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: you know what's your day to day and also like

937
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: what is the proudest achievement in everything since then that

938
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: you've done.

939
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: So if we're going to pin it down to something

940
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: that I've done, it would be definitely our Priceline Insurance special.

941
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: That was for those who don't know, that was the

942
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: Festival of You and it was about embracing you know,

943
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: different shapes, ages, ethnicities, you know, and we had the

944
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: most incredible lineup of women and everyone got their own

945
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 2: custom suit. It was just so so special because everything

946
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: was you know, made for each of you and everyone

947
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: was just I don't know, it was like there was

948
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: an energy in the air, right, It was like.

949
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: That was seeing everyone feel a million dollars.

950
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: In totally feel themselves and that was that was amazing

951
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: for me because that is my vision, that is what

952
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: I wanted, right. So with that niche in the market

953
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,479
Speaker 2: that I identified was suits, suits were starting to become

954
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: a really big thing overseas, and I was like, okay,

955
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: good Year, you know, colored suit, It's okay cool. No

956
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: one was doing it, no one was making it accessible retailers.

957
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: I think we're being really conservative. And everyone was like, oh,

958
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 2: do I make pink or do I make black? I

959
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: mean some more black. I'm going to make black, you know.

960
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: So it just they just went around and that's what

961
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 2: we did. But the other I guess the proudest thing

962
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: for me would be that I got myself out of that.

963
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was a phoenix.

964
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 2: It was dark. Yeah it was It was really dark,

965
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: and I honestly was like, that's it.

966
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: I'm done forever. Baire may work again, we'll be able

967
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: to cope with this.

968
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell we're going to do,

969
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: but this is it.

970
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you should be extremely proud, and

971
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: I think you're an amazing, amazing example of the fact

972
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: that you can start again, people can start again.

973
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: And or just start. Yeah, for the I had nothing, really,

974
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: I had nothing, you know, my social media pages were taken,

975
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 2: so I started from literal scratch. Yeah, I had like

976
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: six thousand followers. Yeah, and I started with that, And

977
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: I started at a time where Instagram was already so saturated. Yeah,

978
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, so I'm on. You know, it's grown so

979
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: much from from there, from that six thousand, So it's possible.

980
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: You just got to have a really strong why yeah,

981
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: a really strong why yeah, because and people just gravitate

982
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: to that, you know, you become atic totally.

983
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: And I just I think it's just so amazing to

984
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: see that you chose not to let one like hugely

985
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: dark period define the rest of your journey, like oh,

986
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: I'll never go into fashion again, or I'll never you know, yeah,

987
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: you've used all of those lessons for the better in

988
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: this chapter and gone on to like smash it thin.

989
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: Like for me, I have this process of like I'll

990
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: have a complete melt on emotionally, mentally, everything, and then

991
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: I'll just be like ready, right done, it's time.

992
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: We're done with that. You know. I love that, And

993
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: you also honor your process. Everyone has a weird process

994
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: around difficult times.

995
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 3: And I have that in small ways.

996
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: Now like something will happen, I'll have a complete meltdown

997
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 2: and I'm a mess for two weeks and James is.

998
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: Like, you're stronger than this, and I'm like, I know,

999
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 3: I am. This is my process and let me wallow.

1000
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm exactly the same.

1001
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: And then I come out like see yeah, yeady, I'm

1002
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: done out of my way.

1003
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1004
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: We had this comp of guys literally a couple of

1005
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: days ago. We canceled this episode because both of us

1006
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: were just like, come to it today, it's not my day.

1007
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: I just had so much anxiety.

1008
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 2: I was like I can't I can't speak.

1009
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and You're like, I'm so sorry I'm canceling. I'm like, babe,

1010
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: I freaking love it when people cancel. It's my favorite.

1011
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: I love it.

1012
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: I don't want to let you down, honey. I was

1013
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: so excited Breck today, I'm sorry. My anxiety is like.

1014
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: I was still in bed and I do have those days.

1015
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: And I think that's another important message, is like it's

1016
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: so okay to let yourself go through that and be

1017
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: kind to yourself. You know, I told you I was

1018
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: at home at my mum's house and she was like, no,

1019
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,959
Speaker 2: you will not let this girl down. You will do this, and.

1020
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: I was like, such a lawyer, I can't.

1021
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: Mom Oh, I was like, of all the people, you're

1022
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: saying this to me. I love a cancel. I love

1023
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: a cancel. I just had this whole afternoon for me

1024
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: to be a ball and you know, in the fetal

1025
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: position as a mess. It was great.

1026
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 2: And that's what because I had this tough you know,

1027
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: Mum was always like, yeah, are you really that sick?

1028
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: Though you know that sick?

1029
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1030
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: Love that.

1031
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 3: So it's also learning like.

1032
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: No, no, today, I'm prioritizing my mental health. I actually

1033
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: can't do this. So I really really can't. And you know,

1034
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: we reschedule.

1035
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: Life easy, absolutely, and then you're happier with the final product.

1036
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: Totally because it wouldn't have been like this, Yeah I'm

1037
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: on today.

1038
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: So if you had to say, like pick one huge

1039
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: goal or a achievement, like assuming you could make anything happen,

1040
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: you could dress anybody for any event, or create anything

1041
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: for anything with every cats or base, what would it

1042
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: be assuming that I'm going to have you back on

1043
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: in like five years and you're going to be like

1044
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: tick I did it. Oh, are you a big goals

1045
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: that are like that? Are you more like no? I today?

1046
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: See, I think the thing is it's not so much

1047
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: dressing people because I did do that early days, and

1048
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: it's as easy as just hiring the right pr in

1049
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: America that has the right connections. So I just don't

1050
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: view that as a goal anymore because I know that

1051
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 2: will come for us. It's like, okay, until we're ready

1052
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: to have you know, for efy Cats where majority locally produced,

1053
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: the suits made overseas, so we got to get our

1054
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: ducks in a row be for scale. We go into

1055
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: that and start seeding out product to you know, like

1056
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: we had Kylie Jenner wear our stuff back in all

1057
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,959
Speaker 2: that that's achievable. It's just having the back end ready

1058
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: to go to support it, because I don't want to

1059
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: have that same mistake. What I make with Efiicats is

1060
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: actually it's not the easiest product to produce with the stretch,

1061
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: And now that we're heading back into overseas territory, I'm

1062
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: actually loving nurturing the process and not going insanely quick

1063
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: that it's overwhelming, do you know.

1064
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: What I mean? Yes, Oh my gosh. We try and

1065
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: go way too fast.

1066
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: But everything yeah, right, I have these goals for both businesses.

1067
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: I know where I sort of where I want them

1068
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: to be. They're nowhere near where I want them to.

1069
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: Be, but doing great, but they're nowhere near.

1070
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: But it's giving me that mental challenge to push myself.

1071
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: You know. It's like financial targets or you know, do

1072
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: I want to be stocked here, or like you know

1073
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's hitting a percentage of sales in

1074
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: the US and it's like yes, like we're starting to

1075
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 2: dominate you stuff like that.

1076
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1077
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: That which is funny because when I had Zachary, it

1078
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: was all about like I want this and this and

1079
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: this person and that's going to be the mark of

1080
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: my success. And I just don't see it that way anymore.

1081
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: It's like it's dollars in the bank now, yeah, you

1082
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: know which is the rest will come and I don't

1083
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: care because I've done it before, I do it again.

1084
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: It's so interesting how much your relationship to success and

1085
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: how you define that changes over time. Completely so interesting.

1086
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,280
Speaker 2: Because I think when you go from having money yeah

1087
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: to having none, Yeah, you're like, oh god, having money

1088
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: was good, yeah, and say it's safety and right, you know,

1089
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: and it's like I took that for granted. I was like, yeah,

1090
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: we're making all this cash for whatever, you know I

1091
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: want Kylie Jenner. Yeah, And it's like, no, no, you

1092
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: need to because they're sustainable retailers that are struggling so

1093
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: much and you you don't realize how important it is

1094
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: to be thriving financially. I know that sounds silly, but like, no,

1095
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: it's a basic of bus round. I just didn't it

1096
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 2: was a given because it was like handed, no handed

1097
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: to me and I worked for it. But because the

1098
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 2: brand there was such a niche and that people took

1099
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: to it so quickly, I just took that for granted.

1100
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1101
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 2: So now it's yeah, yeah, and that's mine.

1102
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: That is so important. There's one part of business that's

1103
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: ideas creativity, but like the backbones of the business also

1104
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: need to totally stand up. But I think the other

1105
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: thing with the whole metrics of success is also the

1106
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: idea of measuring your life not only by success and

1107
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: not only by it by work. The other thing, which

1108
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: for a perfectionist like yourself, who loves your work and

1109
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: is so incredibly good at it and it is such

1110
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: a big part of your identity. I can imagine it's

1111
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: very difficult to have any kind of boundaries and time

1112
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: for what we call on the show play to ya,

1113
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: which is everything that's just for uoy. Yeah exactly. But

1114
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: I know you are now engaged to your beautiful freance.

1115
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: Are you going to make your own dress? Is that

1116
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: our wedding plans kind of in the ploty?

1117
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't make wedding dresses. That it's a

1118
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: completely different process. I know it's clothes, but it is

1119
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: you know, couture is like.

1120
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: A whole nother board art.

1121
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: It's a completely different process. And that's just not what

1122
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 2: I'm training in.

1123
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't want to.

1124
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: Know, and nor would I ever want to delve into that.

1125
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: It's also not what I'm personally passionate about. But I

1126
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: appreciate that process so much, and I think if I

1127
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: tried to make my wedding dress, I would be doing

1128
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: a disservice to that art form because it would be

1129
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 2: like me trying to do, you know, something that I've

1130
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: never studied. I don't know it at all. It's completely

1131
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: different process. And obviously we'll do our bridesmaid's stresses and

1132
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm kind of getting ideas. But yeah, my wedding dress.

1133
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: How's the flightning coming along?

1134
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 2: It's not it's not coming Okay, when what is the

1135
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: furthest date we can book this for? Yeah, so we

1136
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 2: have booked for November next year.

1137
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, so you have looked.

1138
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, eleven eleven was like eleven eleven hour. I was like,

1139
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 3: I'll take it.

1140
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: It's need I need that number.

1141
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: Eleven eleven.

1142
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: Oh that's so beautiful. How exciting. Yeah, And so in

1143
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: your you know, incredibly busy day to day life, what

1144
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: do you guys do just for fun? Is there anything

1145
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: that you do that's like not productive or achieving that's

1146
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: just for joy.

1147
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: So James and I both have such intense, like busy jobs.

1148
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: Our favorite thing is like nothing.

1149
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: Nothing, that's my favorite thing. That's my favorite activity, my

1150
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: favorite plati nothing.

1151
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: We have just baught a house. So we've recently hold

1152
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: the branding. Yeah, no, we're not. We're not even doing that.

1153
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: Like plans and permits. How don think we've submitted them.

1154
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 2: We're going to really soon and then we're going to start.

1155
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: But we're just so enjoying, like we have this process.

1156
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: We will get up in the morning, make breakfast, we'll

1157
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: tie up the house in theresense we're still doing something,

1158
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: but you're pottering, you're just pondering. We go to our

1159
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: organic grosser, buy our veggies, go to a butcher, get

1160
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: our mick, do all of that, and we have this

1161
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: like little nook in the couch right now, we're watching

1162
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: Stranger Things and we just like nestle in with our

1163
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 2: heater that's right next to It's the best blanket.

1164
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: It's the simple thing.

1165
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: My gods. Yeah, and that's it.

1166
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: I love that.

1167
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 2: I love doing that. I love doing nothing. I think

1168
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: we went through this period of like events, this, that

1169
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 2: and everything like so and now winter that tends to

1170
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: really slow down, which.

1171
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: Is great, great for the like extraverted introverts.

1172
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: Yes, but I'm like.

1173
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: Once i'm mentally, you know, give myself up, you know

1174
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: for something. I'm like, okay, winter, Yeah, I'm so ready

1175
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: for nothing. Over the next couple of months.

1176
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: We call it hiber eating on the.

1177
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: That's what we're doing.

1178
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: You've got to get your yay back somehow. And if

1179
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: you do have really intense jobs, then the playtime needs

1180
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: to be like chill as fine.

1181
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: My friends will try to make claims like should we

1182
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: do brunch on Sunday and like that's James Day. That's

1183
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: so good.

1184
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that so much. We're the same.

1185
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: We have like weekends are like like if we have something,

1186
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: it has to be Saturday because Sunday is like there

1187
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: no a point at all.

1188
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: Because James will be like you make plans on James

1189
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: on James.

1190
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 5: I love it.

1191
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: It's just I just wouldn't do it, but we dare.

1192
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: But you have to have a day like that. We're

1193
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: allocated for for like just nothing. Yeah. I love that

1194
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: and I love that. Do you get guilty?

1195
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: No? If I do nothing on a Saturday, I'm like

1196
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: you taking it really fast and start like but Sunday's fine, Yeah,

1197
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: but Sunday's fine.

1198
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same. It's really weird. What's that? What's

1199
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: that about?

1200
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like my mind's like Sunday is

1201
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: our day of rest. Yeah, I ress rest.

1202
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: Yes of the faith literally okay. Second last question. Three

1203
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: interesting things about you that don't normally come up in conversation,

1204
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: like middle names, weird habit.

1205
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 3: I have the worst middle name.

1206
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: This is really funny. Actually, so I do have middle name.

1207
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: It's hideous.

1208
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: Thanks Mom for following me.

1209
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: Where is it Voldemort?

1210
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 2: Well, we have recently named so when I'm in a

1211
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: really fowl moved that part of me has a name,

1212
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: a persona.

1213
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: Is it your middle name? Is that the persona? Stop it?

1214
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: What's her name?

1215
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: Patrice?

1216
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: Oh? I was gonna say Patricia was so James would

1217
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: be like, can Patrice.

1218
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 2: So?

1219
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: And she knows little and she's always with me? Her

1220
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: drunk persona is Patricia because Patricia is just an asshole.

1221
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: Patrice is the same. Oh my god, Betic would not

1222
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: have picked that. It's so funny.

1223
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: Like James and I had, we'd had a really big

1224
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: fight one day and I was completely in the wrong.

1225
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: Once come out of my rage blackout.

1226
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: He'd fallen asleep on the couch and I walked past

1227
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: him and I looked at him and I was like,

1228
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 2: I really should have gone from a hugging and apologize.

1229
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: And Patrice was like, we've taken this so far. We

1230
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: need to get all the way. Just come to us.

1231
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 3: He will come to us.

1232
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: Actually, Patrice was a real bitch when you got engaged,

1233
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: wasn't she?

1234
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: Buttrece was she on out of my town.

1235
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 2: She was like, you want to marry me?

1236
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: That story like, I was a bit.

1237
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't want people to think I'm horrible, but Trees

1238
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: is horrible, Patrece is horrible. It's not me.

1239
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: I love for Teres. I love that she's just you know,

1240
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: she sits there, just kind of in and out.

1241
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: Okay. So our housemate at the time was like, she's

1242
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 2: she was working at Vogue and she was like, oh,

1243
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: we've got an industry event and because it was around

1244
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: I think Sydney wasn't allowed to come to US borders. Yeah.

1245
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 2: She was like, because of the recent border closure, there

1246
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: are a lot of empty seats, so it's not really

1247
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: because I was like, oh, well, who would be there,

1248
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: and she was like, no, no, no, it's not like that.

1249
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 2: It's you know, kind of more of a you know,

1250
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: in the office.

1251
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: Kind of corporate property, corporati that's the word, yeah, corporate in.

1252
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: The office thing, and so you wouldn't really know anyone,

1253
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: but we need to feel seats, and I, oh, you

1254
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: were a seat filler in Vibes. I was like, okay.

1255
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: She was like could you because wow.

1256
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: So you were already shitty.

1257
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 3: I was like, look, it's Vogue.

1258
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: So I was like, hey, there's worse places to be,

1259
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: right absolutely, especially after you used to chop up your

1260
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: Vogue magazines exactly right.

1261
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 5: I am not coming to the just coming out at

1262
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 5: the center, the center, yeah, the center center of all

1263
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 5: my So naturally I was like, okay, well I must

1264
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 5: get hair and makeup done then, of.

1265
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: Course, and my friend had contacted me, and it would

1266
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: all make sense now because I said to James, if

1267
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: you ever posted me, to make sure I get my

1268
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:12,959
Speaker 2: nails done.

1269
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: So someone organized for the nails to be done.

1270
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 2: And make sure there's content. So everything makes sense now, right,

1271
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 2: So my friend contacted me and she was like, yeah,

1272
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 2: I need to get them done early though, so we'd

1273
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: have to do it early. And then it just happened

1274
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: to work out with my hair and makeup and everything

1275
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: for this What a coincident. And then James was like, oh,

1276
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 2: told me that his friend, who he's best friend, who

1277
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 2: I hadn't met, was in town, was meant to be

1278
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: in town for us to all go to the NGV.

1279
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: And then he was like, oh, so Lee's not he

1280
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 2: couldn't make it, but we'll still go. And I was like, oh, great,

1281
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: Lee's not here, let's not go.

1282
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, And only because.

1283
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: I was getting my makeup done, and I didn't want

1284
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: to wear a mask.

1285
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: And you had the event, yep, yep.

1286
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 2: Had the event. I was like, I need to look

1287
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 2: at Maculum.

1288
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: Going to this folk this fa that doesn't exist.

1289
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: So so he was like, noahll I paid for the

1290
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 2: tickets and I was like, oh, go on, James, how

1291
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: much were they? Like forty bucks for the I'll pay

1292
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: you for them.

1293
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: My makeup so much more express or.

1294
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 3: Yes, so shitty.

1295
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be there only for that reason.

1296
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: So I was like what my mask out?

1297
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: Had I my contour? Yeah?

1298
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: Everything?

1299
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, baby, and my nose contourur Like no, you.

1300
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: Know, I mean does he not understand? Can you not

1301
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: propose in some other way?

1302
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? But we met at the n GV. So that's

1303
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: where the poor guy wanted to propose.

1304
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am an asked you are and

1305
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: aren't you pre.

1306
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: That day?

1307
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1308
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Speaker 2: Not me, it was so I was like stumping around

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01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: and and then he's like, we'll get a glass water.

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01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: You can just lust water and just take constant zips

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01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: so you don't have to have that. So we get

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Speaker 2: the water and then we go to the exhibition and

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 2: they're like no water and here and I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, oh my god, so mad.

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Speaker 2: And then we're you know, walking through the exhibition. I'm

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01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 2: holding the mask and you know, security is and I'm

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01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 2: just like, oh, like.

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01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: Pressure now, I just don't want to make my make up.

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01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: For God's sakes, I don't have COVID right now.

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Speaker 1: See you're being really pleasant, really pleasant.

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Speaker 2: It was. Yeah, So we like zipped through it because

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01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't care about that.

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Speaker 3: I just want you to be happy and oh happy.

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01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: I just don't want to be here. Please just go, please,

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01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 3: I just want to go.

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01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 2: I'll be happy as soon as we leave.

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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: And he's like, fuck, this is really not going how

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01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: it would go.

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01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: And everything was on a time schedule. Yeah, of course, right,

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01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 2: so he's trying to store me it and I was

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01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 2: just like not having a bar.

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01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's strolling you because the atrographer.

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01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 2: Was setting up. So Eugene, who we work with, was

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01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: setting up.

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01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: Poor huge probably getting texts like hurry on literally.

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01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: Right, and I in my mind Patrice was like, push

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01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: this so far today? Why has he not told us

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01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: to fuck off?

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01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: Why have we not divorced before?

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 2: We should putting up with you? Because usually he would

1341
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 2: be like you know what.

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01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: Oh, because he was like, we need to smooth this

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01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: so far.

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01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we couldn't yell at me before her. Why

1345
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: is he taking all this? I don't know. But then

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01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 2: we get to the end of the exhibition so far

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01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: and he was like, why don't we just walk back through?

1348
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, right there, why would we Why.

1349
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: Would we walk back through?

1350
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: Are you trying to kill me?

1351
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: If I not been clear enough?

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01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: Jane's think it's better. So we exit the exhibition. We're

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01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 2: back into the main sort of.

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01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: The water wall fountain get near there, right and James

1355
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, look there's Eugene and I love Eugene.

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01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: But I was like, I just want.

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01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: To get go away. Can we talk outside? Can you

1358
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 3: come with us?

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01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: Walk and talk walking talk talk walking?

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01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: So I was like I don't know, and he was like, oh,

1361
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: you know, just working for MGV and it's a Sunday

1362
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 2: but not a bad gig. And I was like, no,

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01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 2: that's great, Like yeah, pretty much. And then James like

1364
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: I might take a picture of us, and I was like,

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01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: I was like, James is here to work, not take

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01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 2: photos of me today.

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01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: That's not I think I work And was.

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01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 3: Like good no, don't mind.

1369
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: And James like, why don't you stand over there the

1370
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: spot we met? Oh my, And I was like.

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01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: It's so cute and you were being so.

1372
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 2: James overheadlining.

1373
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: Because and I was like, we're not doing a photo there.

1374
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: I feel good today. I want to continue feeling good

1375
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: and that's not going to make me.

1376
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: I know my lighting, I know my angles.

1377
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm like no. And he was like, but you want

1378
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: a photo, right, And I was like outside, that's.

1379
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: Right front front line, yeah, yep, yep, the overthing.

1380
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 2: The overthing, yeah, whatever that's called.

1381
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: So he didn't bloody get to do it on the

1382
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: spot where you met, because you are a bitch. You

1383
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: ruined everything. That's one of my favorite stories.

1384
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 2: Ever thing, and you know, obviously presented it really nice.

1385
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 2: It was really nice.

1386
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1387
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 2: And they were all facts. I just left them out.

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01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: Yes, So he did it outside so while you were

1389
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 1: getting a photo, it's even better. Stop. Oh this is

1390
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: oh there's more yep. I remember now.

1391
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: So James is this thing where I'm like freaking out

1392
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 2: and he'll be like you will hold my arms and

1393
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 2: he'll be like, I love you just you.

1394
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:23,560
Speaker 1: Know, yep, yep. You are not the center of everything.

1395
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, newsflash, and I'm like what yep. So he's doing

1396
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 2: that and he's like, if I love you, and I

1397
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: was like, I know, but you jeans are right. I'm

1398
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: trying to like smile and not let it on the

1399
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: way like having a fight, having a fight, but you know,

1400
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: I'm being a nightmare, and like I just didn't want

1401
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 2: to get into it all. Like I was like, we

1402
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 2: can talk about this later. Eu. Jeane's right there and

1403
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 2: he's like if I love you, and I was like,

1404
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 2: I know, and I love you and I love you

1405
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 2: not right now.

1406
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: And he was trying to start the speech this poor man.

1407
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm surprised he went through with it, Babe, I'm surprised.

1408
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: And all your friends were waiting at the rest of yes.

1409
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 3: So he's just pulled out the ring and I've gone.

1410
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 2: I'm a seaword.

1411
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: Oh you ve a sem Patricia was a savarm And

1412
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, is that a years? Oh my god,

1413
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: that was your side. You are all time, what a legend.

1414
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: And I was like of course.

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01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 3: And then I was like I couldn't even cry because

1416
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 3: I was just like.

1417
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 1: I've been so mean.

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01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 3: Also, I just couldn't even register, like it's.

1419
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: The best story. Expecting it it's the best story.

1420
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: I knew it would sort of come, but I just

1421
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: didn't think then, oh my god, it's my story. And

1422
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 2: then I cried like twenty minutes later when everything like

1423
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: the Penny Drop was like, oh.

1424
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: My gosh and so beautiful.

1425
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 2: It was you know what it was?

1426
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: It was us? Yeah, like at least it was us.

1427
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: At least it was accurate us. And for trees, you know,

1428
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: you're a beautiful thropple. Congratulations to the Oh my god,

1429
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:25,879
Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite stories.

1430
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 2: Ever. If that's not relatable, I don't know what I

1431
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 2: should have been the starter.

1432
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: Apparently I was talking to.

1433
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: Some people and they were like, the worse the proposal,

1434
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: the better the marriage. And this is coming from women

1435
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: who have been married like fifteen twenty years.

1436
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, good, wicked, We're gone all the way, all

1437
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: the way, all the way, gal amazing. Very last question

1438
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: for you, what is your favorite quote? Oh? Oh, I

1439
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: know it's hard. So many saved in my I know

1440
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: it's a hard one. I always like struggle with this one,

1441
01:10:58,520 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: so I ask everyone else so I don't have to

1442
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: get anouncer because it's easier this too. Shell pass that's

1443
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: a good one.

1444
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: That's what immediately came to my mind. But it always does.

1445
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 2: And now every time something bad is happening, I'm like

1446
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,839
Speaker 2: this too, shell Pass. You say it always it always does. Yeah,

1447
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 2: it's always going to figure itself out somehow. So just

1448
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 2: calm your ship, yeah, and just deal with it. Good

1449
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 2: ones at the end of the world. So the end

1450
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: of the world's going to pass.

1451
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 1: Everyone needs just that little audio byte on repeat, just

1452
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: Effie like, no, it's gonna just get you ship together.

1453
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 4: Shell Pass mind you you know what immediately came to

1454
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 4: my head. I don't know why, but ben Cousin's tattoo.

1455
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that the stomach on? Oh yeah, something like

1456
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: kind of profounding, not profound.

1457
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: And then my brain was like, nah, that one.

1458
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: Your favorite code is ben Cousins.

1459
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 3: Again.

1460
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: If that's not.

1461
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 3: Relatable, I don't know what I know what is?

1462
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: My love?

1463
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining. This was absolutely wonderful.

1464
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 1: You're one of my favorite people in the business and

1465
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: so grateful to have had you on.

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:07,480
Speaker 2: Thank you for having.

1467
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: Me my gosh, I learned so much I didn't know

1468
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: about e Fie in this chat. I hope you guys

1469
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: enjoyed as much as I did. I adore how she

1470
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: holds her own in some of the most trailblazing outfits

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01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: on huge national stages, but can be open and vulnerable

1472
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: about many challenges internally to get there. She's one of

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01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: my very favorite people in the industry, and I'm so

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01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: glad we had her here today. Don't know why it

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01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: took me so long. Please, as always, shower her with

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01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: love and gratitude from the neighborhood and check out her

1477
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: work as always. Take a screenshot do it right now

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Speaker 1: of the episode and share it, tagging at evycats so

1479
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 1: we can keep growing the neighborhood, or check out at

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Speaker 1: base brand to shop up a storm again. Links are

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Speaker 1: in the show notes. In the meantime, I hope you

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: are all having a wonderful week and as seizing your yay.

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01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you've all been enjoying the SIK mini

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01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 1: series so far and learning how to take advance to

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01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: job the great Job Boom. We have one more episode

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Speaker 1: to come in that mini series with a couple of

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Speaker 1: normal Is there anything normal normal episodes in between, and

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01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: that is coming up soon. I hope you guys are

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01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: having an amazing week.