WEBVTT - Maisie Peters Has Moved On From Mid Men 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:00.680 It was a funny thing. 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.800 It was obviously the best day of my life the Aroostorp, 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:10.879 and so to also experience such huge amounts of hate, 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.160 which is what it was. There was varying levels, but 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.720 there was a lot of just sort of blatant hate 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:18.920 and it was a crazy thing to experience. 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.680 Hia, It's free player, the executive producer of No Filter. Today, 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.720 our host and my friend kateline Brook has very kindly 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.600 vacated her seat because she felt I was the right 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.040 person to sit down with today's guest. I first met 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:36.080 British pop star Maizie Peters in twenty twenty two when 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.360 she came to Australia supporting her friend and boss, said Cheron. 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.559 I remember watching her perform and being instantly struck by 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.000 how sharp and emotionally intelligent her songwriting was. The way 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.440 she wrote about relationships and heartbreak felt so funny and 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:56.120 specific and painfully relatable. Afterwards, I asked Mazie what inspired 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:00.360 so many of her songs, and she said, completely deadpan men, 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:05.720 average men, men who absolutely do not deserve the caliber 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.160 of song being written about them. 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.480 And yet somehow those men. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.680 Inspired The Good Witch, which is one of my favorite 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.120 pop albums of the last few years. So today, to 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:19.120 celebrate the release of Fluorescence, Maze's new album, I'm sitting 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.000 down with a slightly different version of Mazie Peters, one 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:28.400 who's in love, more settled and genuinely happy. In this conversation, 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:32.520 we talk about heartbreak, songwriting, the pressure of turning your 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.640 real life into art, that viral Taylor swift eras to 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.640 a moment that brought her both enormous highs and brutal 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.600 online scrutiny, and what it means to finally move on 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:49.960 from mid Men. This is Maizie Peters. Okay, Mazie Peters. Hello, Hello, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.120 welcome to No Filter. 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:51.960 Thank you so much. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.040 Oh my god, what a treat to have you here 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:58.000 in the office. Luckily, actually there's an event going on 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.360 at Muma mea down the road to half the office 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.600 has gone because otherwise I think you'd have people. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.680 Crying at the door. Wow, I'm very excited. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.480 We did keep it on the download a little bit 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:07.960 that you were coming here because we thought no one 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:08.960 will go to the other event. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:10.880 That's really iconic that I had to be like a 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.600 secret guest. Were you guys? I watch Australia last night 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:15.520 and so you guys are. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:20.520 My first Australians on record to chat too. 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.800 Yeah, and how are you feeling because it's a fair way. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:25.880 Well, it is a fair way. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.720 But the thing about me is that I am Australian, 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.600 not in any way in reality, but in my heart. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.480 And so I really do feel like it's a homecoming, 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.000 Like I feel like I'm hum It's my hometown. All 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:39.679 of Australia is my hometown. I'm not picky about the 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:40.880 city and I just. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:41.440 Love being here. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:45.040 I love Australians, I love the place out of the country. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.760 I love of cities. I am just a fan. So 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:47.760 it feels great to be back. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.679 Well, you are amongst friends because everyone is a fan 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.120 of you here as well. We first were introduced to 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:56.960 you when you came here with I'm going to say 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.440 your boss Charan. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:00.359 Yes, Iran. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.720 Now, for people who don't know that that's your nickname 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.320 for him, explain how that came about and who edged 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:08.520 Charan actually is. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.200 So is it a nickname or is it his real name? 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.760 We don't know. It's not for me to say. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.240 I do think that more people should should be saying 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.080 ed Charan. I just think it's good for the world 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.280 and for him and so but Ed and I haven't 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:24.000 e shother for a long time. 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:25.040 I've signed to his record label. 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.959 It's called gingerbread Men, And yeah, we've been friends and 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:30.560 colleagues and I've been his. 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:35.440 Intern for oh wow, maybe six seven, seven years? 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.520 Maybe long? Yeah, I know, don't you feel like you've 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.960 done the work to get a promotion to be like 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:43.440 on stuff? 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:44.800 I couldn't agree more. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.800 But also, you know, he's his world's best boss, he's 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.920 actually won it all seven years. And I'm just really 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.400 honestly part of the company and trips like this. You know, 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.839 he lets me come on trips like this and really 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:57.760 spread the good word. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:00.440 So I am really lucky. 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:00.840 In that respect. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:02.840 And I mean he did bring me to Australia. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:04.720 My first ever time in Australia was on his tour 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:08.760 and we went, I mean it was amazing, went all 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.520 around Australia and New Zealand and I got to play. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.360 I mean, I think at the time we played the 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:17.000 biggest ticted show in Australia ever in Melbourne in at 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:17.480 the MCG. 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.120 Yeah at the MCG so. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.880 Like best instruction to Australia ever. I actually went from 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.080 Ed Shearan Melbourne. No, I went from Ed Sheeran Sydney 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.600 Show to Mardi Gras. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.600 Oh amazing in one ye was Latime of Year as well. 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.039 Yeah, three years ago. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.960 And funnily enough it's in the country now as well. 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.520 Well do you Is that funny enough? Or is that 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.080 a business trip? Is that what we call a work away? 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.599 I don't like that. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:43.200 I love that. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.840 It's like you do your your business conference is in Australia. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.440 Yes, it is actually a triannual business conference. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:51.760 It's just me and Ed Shapran. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.120 We're on sort of a team's made me every evening 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.440 just going through our KPIs for the year. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:00.880 So yeah, it's a one. We do that in Australia 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:01.840 because it's our favorite place. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.680 So let's go back before it, when you were a 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:11.039 little mazy b E, before ed b E, before little Maize. 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.240 Now you're a twin. I am and I think? Are you? 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:16.560 Are you a gem? And I twin? 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:17.120 I am a. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.920 Gem and I twin? Are you a bit? 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.920 We were like into the into the horoscopes? 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.719 I definitely definitely a little bit woo. 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.000 I don't know a lot. That should just be the 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:29.920 headline of the whole thing. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.000 I don't know a lot, but I am into it 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.280 in a casual way and obviously I am a gem 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.839 and I twin, which I feel like was of course, 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:39.799 I'm a little bit woo because that's kind of iconic. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:41.839 Yeah, you kind of have to be. And then you know, 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.480 your last album was called The Good Wirch Tru true. 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:49.279 You know, there's there's there's which within you talk to 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:50.880 me about your childhood and growing up. 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.680 Oh well, I obviously I am am a twin as 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:59.320 you said, Ellen, and the two of us are my parents. 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:00.480 And it's funny. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:02.919 I'm like, sorry, just trying to make a joke, but 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.800 actually to be serious, No, it was, it was. 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:06.880 It was great. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.920 I have really supportive, wonderful parents, and I grew up 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.120 a lot in the British countryside, which was amazing. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:18.320 Lots of sort of drinking wkds and fields. I don't 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.960 have of wahd's have reached Australia. Do you guys know 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.280 what they are? Yeah, of course you do. 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.560 Lots of WKD in the field and sort of like 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.919 wearing heels to go out but then having to like 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.200 put your boots on to go home because you couldn't 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.279 wear your heels through the mud. And one bus It 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.360 was very small town, which I think was good because 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.520 it meant that I just spent all my time writing 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:43.400 songs and being a busker and playing in pubs and 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:50.520 ale festivals and apple pressing festivals and I mean talent competitions. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.240 I really did a lot of that from the age 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.680 of like thirteen to sixteen seventeen. I would say, which 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.599 was which was so good? And I'm so glad you 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.280 did it. And my sister never I was used to 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:01.560 try and make her be in a family band with me, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.600 and she didn't want to do it. And now I say, Ellen, 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:06.680 look look what we could have been. Look who could 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.000 have been sat here together together? 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.680 And you often are in a podcast studio together now 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:13.160 because you do one together exactly. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:14.680 So I've managed to bring her into the fold in 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.160 a different in a different way. But yeah, we have 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:20.120 a podcast together called twin Hood's been going. Uh maybe 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:21.960 we've been doing it for over a year, but it's 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.880 been public for about eight months. Yes, And the podcast 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.840 studio is actually our house because we live together in 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.040 London also with our boyfriends. There's all four of us 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.360 in one flat and we do community of the living 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.600 room and make it a podcast studio once or twice 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.400 a week, and the boyfriends are sent upstairs really. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:39.360 Long, and I know you normally have a glass of wine, 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:40.920 which I would have loved to have done for us, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:42.320 but it is early in the morning. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.320 No, so fair, and we don't. The glass of wine 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.080 is sort of a special occasions. We had a lot 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.280 to celebrate last episode we did, so the glass of 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:49.000 wine came out. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.000 But it really is it's very much a family. 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.960 Affair, quite literally, our producer Paul Kersey, who runs it 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.080 with us, and it really is just the four of us. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:58.600 But it's so much fun. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.880 And I'm honestly seeing when I watch it back, because 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:03.560 you just it's just feavursed dream and you forget everything 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.440 you've said. And I watch it back and I giggle 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.200 all the time. I'm constantly cracking up at my twin 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:07.840 hundred jet. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.840 When did you sort of discover your talent for songwriting 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:12.480 and for music? 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.760 I guess maybe sort of twelve. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.000 I don't know if I discovered a talent, as I 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:21.960 just really fell in love with it and so just 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:26.119 did it constantly. From probably the age of about twelve. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.480 I was always writing as a kid. I was writing 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.720 short stories and novels, and I was always almost entering 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.000 the Guardian Short Story competition for children, and I never 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.680 would actually enter it because it was I would start 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.079 and write like a paragraph or two, and then I 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:37.840 would get distracted. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:38.160 And then I. 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.760 Discovered songs, which are very short stories with lots of repetition, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.280 and you're able to finish them in half an hour, 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.400 an hour or two hours, and I think that medium. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.440 Sort of spoke to me more. And I was a 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.120 huge lover of music. 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.480 I mean, when I was a tween tween, I was 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.959 really into Green Day at all time low my chemical romance. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:59.559 But then I also grew up on. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:06.000 Taylor Swift and Kelly Clarkson and Sarah Barryeliz and Ingrid Michaelson, 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:08.600 and so I think I was always really into super 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.679 lyrical stuff. And then when I started I borrowed my 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.559 friend's guitar when I was twelve and started learning a 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.360 few bits and started writing songs. And from there I 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.800 really just I'm pretty sure I wrote a song every 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.480 day for like three years. I would get home from 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.440 school and open my laptop like I was at work 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:26.400 and sit at my desk with my guitar and just 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:30.120 write so many songs about things that were absolutely not 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.440 happening to me. I was writing about my husband who 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.240 had done me wrong, and I was throwing him in 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.360 a creek. And I actually wrote that song. I didn't 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.000 even play guitar at that point. I wrote it to 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.720 the Cup Song, which for women of a certain time, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:44.640 I see some nodding. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:45.000 In the audience. 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.680 Yeah, for women at a certain time, that was really 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.640 important to us. And so I did write my first 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.880 first song to the Cup Song, to the beat of 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:52.640 the Cup Song, about throwing my husband in a river. 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.160 And I was twelve, And that's what you call ahead 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.800 of your time. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, and hopefully not 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:02.360 a prophecy. No, hopefully not a profit see, but you know, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.400 maybe that's the way were yeah, metaphorically, And I have 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.920 written songs since then about throwing men in bodies of water. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.240 Actually a German interview have brought that up to me 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.280 the other week, and it was really something to ponder 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.199 because I have done that since, So maybe there's there's 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:16.840 something to that. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.479 How did ed finding you come about? 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:27.160 So we worked with a couple of the same people. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.560 So at this point I was released. I've released a 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.679 song or two and I was in the studio with 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.240 so many different people in London. I was maybe seventeen 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.360 eighteen nineteen and just doing songwriting sessions every day. I 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.120 was writing, like I think I used to write down 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:46.480 every song I'd written that year and twenty nineteen twenty twenty, 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:51.959 twenty eighteen, I was probably writing seventy eighty songs every 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.360 year in the in the studio with other writers, just 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:59.680 really learning and creating and and experimenting. And in that 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.079 time I was working with a few people that I 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.400 was working with, and I think he heard about me 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:04.880 and heard about my stuff through them. I also had 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.720 just signed to Atlantic Records, which is also where he 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:09.640 was signed, and so yeah, I think we were we 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.520 were sort of crossing paths musically, and he had heard 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.720 some of the stuff I'd done and reached out just 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.959 wanting to work. And so I went up to his 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.240 house and studio in twenty twenty, very early, just before COVID, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.720 and we wrote some songs together that ended up on 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.160 my debut album, which was so cool, and yeah, just 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.800 really got on and from there I signed to his 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.360 label and we have worked together ever since. This my 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.280 third album, launching to bread Man. 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:40.640 And he is famously not online, has no phone. You 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.079 are very very Internet literate. Do you feel like you're 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.880 sometimes kind of explaining TikTok to a boomer? 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.079 I did have a few years ago. 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:52.160 I did make him do a be real with me, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.200 and that that was a lot for him. I think 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:56.960 that's maybe even why he's not been on social media 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:58.240 since it was it was too much once. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:11:59.960 Yeah, I've got him off. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.480 No, But you know the thing about it is that 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.400 he is an iPad baby, which is obviously public. 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.360 I'm not sharing that, but his. 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.040 Fingers on the pulse. Like sometimes he's telling me things. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.000 I'm like, Ken, how do you know that? 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:15.120 Like he has fingers on the pulse, especially musically. He 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:15.960 loves music. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.600 He's always finding new artists and new music, and he's 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.360 really really passionate about it. So he's sometimes he's sending 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.000 his stuff I've not heard of, and yeah, that's just 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.000 one of his many, many genius qualities. But yeah, I 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:33.120 guess sometimes I am explaining a TikTok to him, but 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.400 sometimes he's explaining a TikTok to me. And that's what 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.280 we love about a multi generational relationship, which he would 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:38.800 hate if I. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:44.199 Said now with working with Ed and writing with it. 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.640 I mean, he is your boss, and when you are 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.480 writing a song, you have to really get in the 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:55.600 weeds of your feelings and your experiences. You don't normally 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.880 in a workplace scenario, have to share that much about yourself, 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.559 but you would with Is that strange or is that 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.520 just now part of the course. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:05.800 I think so much of. 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.240 My music and how I make music is with other 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.480 people and whoever they are. If they're at or if 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.959 they're another one of my favorite collaborators, then you often 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.600 have a most of the time you have a relationship 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.040 that is built upon that, and so there is a 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:25.839 real trust. And also it sounds funny, but if you're 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.200 another songwriter and we're writing a song together, there's this 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.040 inherent understanding that we both know that sharing is part 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:31.440 of the job. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:32.079 So it's different. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.679 If anything, sometimes it's easier to share with those people 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.679 than with friends or family because it's sort of an 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.120 understanding that there's a purpose for what you're saying and 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.880 you're making something together, and so yeah, I think in 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:46.440 a funny way, that's often why it's easier to be 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.760 honest or easier to share things with people you've just 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:52.000 met strangers. You might meet a stranger and you've never 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:53.960 worked and you've never seen each other's faces, and within 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.280 two hours you're like so when I was twelve, And 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:00.080 I actually think that's kind of a great part of it. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:02.400 And that's kind of because you just feel like it's 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.440 stripped away from the start. You just leave that at 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:05.720 the door and go in and you. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:07.960 Just, yeah, you know what you're doing after the process, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:09.960 and it's part of what and we're all there to 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.880 make something that feels honest or interesting or fun or unique, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.680 and yeah, that's and that's that's what we're there to do, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.640 and that's what we all love doing. So it depends, 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.080 and some rooms feel easier to do that than other rooms, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:26.440 for sure. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.600 And I have so many wonderful co. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.800 Writers and collaborators and producers that I love to work 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:32.480 with because I feel like they really leave me the 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.880 space and the time in the room to say something 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:39.480 honest or difficult or interesting, and those are the best 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:40.200 people to work with. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.600 You are very honest in your songwriting. Does that come 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.240 easy for you to share when it comes to actually 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.600 sharing it publicly or do you have this moment before 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.280 releasing a song or an album where you think I 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:55.520 have I said too much. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.720 I think a crucial thing because people ask me this question, 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.360 and I feel like a crucial thing that people need 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.400 to know is that if you ask me to release 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.720 the song at the time I wrote it, I probably 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:15.400 would feel nervous and unsure and embarrassed and maybe like, oh, 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:16.600 I don't know if I want to say this. But 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.400 often by the time you're releasing a song, for me, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.680 at least it's at least I mean, it's probably at 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.160 least six months old, probably older than that. There's songs 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.600 on Fluorescence that aren't out yet that are going to 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.680 be almost three years old by the time they come out, 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:32.720 because the process is so long, and writing an album 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.880 at least again, for me, I'm normally taking at least 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.760 a year or so. And then sometimes there are songs 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.960 from even before that which you really feel like have 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.160 a place on the record. So by the time, in 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.680 a really lovely way for me, by the time the 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:51.359 album and the music coming out, I've really come to peace. 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.800 With come to terms with whatever the song is about. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.640 Often and it feels like a part of my past, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.520 and the song then feels, if anything, quite separate from 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.680 from whatever, from the reality that it's about it, then 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.840 it's about my experience writing that song and working on 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.600 that song. And then by the time the song comes out, 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.680 oh my god, I mean then to me the song 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.800 is number one really just other people's for them to 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:14.960 enjoy and build their own memories on. 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.000 But also for me. 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.680 Then the song really becomes about playing it live and 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:21.800 the fans and the shows and the moments. And it's 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.720 by by that point I find that you know, sharing 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.560 it is the is the easiest it's going to be 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.760 because you're just looking forward to all of that and 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.480 whatever it was about to me personally is sort of 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:36.720 a part of the past. 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.160 Because I read that you said you loved what Lucy 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.960 Daker said in Night Shift about wanting a song in 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.080 five years that she's written to feel like a cover. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.320 When, oh my god, that I did say that. Where 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:52.120 did you find that? 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:52.880 I don't know. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.480 I've been I've spent my week in the world of 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.640 Mazie Peters, So I love you know something that you 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.680 haven't that you've said that I haven't reattena. 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.359 So it's good when I say only really intelligent and 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.600 important things and not although. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.640 Do you feel like that now when you sing someone. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.480 And I know The Good Witch is not five years 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.200 old yet, but do you feel like you are singing 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.000 almost covers off at least no longer. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:20.760 Go one hundred percent? 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:23.080 Yeah, and I do love that early stak As line 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:24.800 one hundred percent. So much of the Good Witch I 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.000 feel like that about. I mean, and it's funny because 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.080 some songs will become relevant again. I've definitely had that 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.480 as well, but lots of song, I mean lost the 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.680 breakup as a song from Goodwitch, and that song. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.320 To me is my favorite cover ever. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.520 It's I love singing that song nowadays because similar to 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.679 what I was saying when I sing it, it really just 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.480 makes me think of all the shows we played and 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.960 all the fans I saw on the front row screaming 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:49.600 it and. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:51.440 Doing Fallon for the first time. 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.520 And I mean, we actually remember we were practicing that 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:59.000 song in Australia in sound checks but without the pa 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:00.600 on so one could hear it because we had to 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.280 go straight from Australia and Asia to New York to 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.119