Speaker 1: It was a funny thing.
Speaker 2: It was obviously the best day of my life the Aroostorp,
Speaker 2: and so to also experience such huge amounts of hate,
Speaker 2: which is what it was. There was varying levels, but
Speaker 2: there was a lot of just sort of blatant hate
Speaker 2: and it was a crazy thing to experience.
Speaker 3: Hia, It's free player, the executive producer of No Filter. Today,
Speaker 3: our host and my friend kateline Brook has very kindly
Speaker 3: vacated her seat because she felt I was the right
Speaker 3: person to sit down with today's guest. I first met
Speaker 3: British pop star Maizie Peters in twenty twenty two when
Speaker 3: she came to Australia supporting her friend and boss, said Cheron.
Speaker 3: I remember watching her perform and being instantly struck by
Speaker 3: how sharp and emotionally intelligent her songwriting was. The way
Speaker 3: she wrote about relationships and heartbreak felt so funny and
Speaker 3: specific and painfully relatable. Afterwards, I asked Mazie what inspired
Speaker 3: so many of her songs, and she said, completely deadpan men,
Speaker 3: average men, men who absolutely do not deserve the caliber
Speaker 3: of song being written about them.
Speaker 4: And yet somehow those men.
Speaker 3: Inspired The Good Witch, which is one of my favorite
Speaker 3: pop albums of the last few years. So today, to
Speaker 3: celebrate the release of Fluorescence, Maze's new album, I'm sitting
Speaker 3: down with a slightly different version of Mazie Peters, one
Speaker 3: who's in love, more settled and genuinely happy. In this conversation,
Speaker 3: we talk about heartbreak, songwriting, the pressure of turning your
Speaker 3: real life into art, that viral Taylor swift eras to
Speaker 3: a moment that brought her both enormous highs and brutal
Speaker 3: online scrutiny, and what it means to finally move on
Speaker 3: from mid Men. This is Maizie Peters. Okay, Mazie Peters. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 3: welcome to No Filter.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what a treat to have you here
Speaker 3: in the office. Luckily, actually there's an event going on
Speaker 3: at Muma mea down the road to half the office
Speaker 3: has gone because otherwise I think you'd have people.
Speaker 1: Crying at the door. Wow, I'm very excited.
Speaker 3: We did keep it on the download a little bit
Speaker 3: that you were coming here because we thought no one
Speaker 3: will go to the other event.
Speaker 1: That's really iconic that I had to be like a
Speaker 1: secret guest. Were you guys? I watch Australia last night
Speaker 1: and so you guys are.
Speaker 2: My first Australians on record to chat too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how are you feeling because it's a fair way.
Speaker 1: Well, it is a fair way.
Speaker 2: But the thing about me is that I am Australian,
Speaker 2: not in any way in reality, but in my heart.
Speaker 2: And so I really do feel like it's a homecoming,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I'm hum It's my hometown. All
Speaker 2: of Australia is my hometown. I'm not picky about the
Speaker 2: city and I just.
Speaker 1: Love being here.
Speaker 2: I love Australians, I love the place out of the country.
Speaker 1: I love of cities. I am just a fan. So
Speaker 1: it feels great to be back.
Speaker 3: Well, you are amongst friends because everyone is a fan
Speaker 3: of you here as well. We first were introduced to
Speaker 3: you when you came here with I'm going to say
Speaker 3: your boss Charan.
Speaker 4: Yes, Iran.
Speaker 3: Now, for people who don't know that that's your nickname
Speaker 3: for him, explain how that came about and who edged
Speaker 3: Charan actually is.
Speaker 1: So is it a nickname or is it his real name?
Speaker 1: We don't know. It's not for me to say.
Speaker 2: I do think that more people should should be saying
Speaker 2: ed Charan. I just think it's good for the world
Speaker 2: and for him and so but Ed and I haven't
Speaker 2: e shother for a long time.
Speaker 1: I've signed to his record label.
Speaker 2: It's called gingerbread Men, And yeah, we've been friends and
Speaker 2: colleagues and I've been his.
Speaker 1: Intern for oh wow, maybe six seven, seven years?
Speaker 3: Maybe long? Yeah, I know, don't you feel like you've
Speaker 3: done the work to get a promotion to be like
Speaker 3: on stuff?
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: But also, you know, he's his world's best boss, he's
Speaker 2: actually won it all seven years. And I'm just really
Speaker 2: honestly part of the company and trips like this. You know,
Speaker 2: he lets me come on trips like this and really
Speaker 2: spread the good word.
Speaker 1: So I am really lucky.
Speaker 4: In that respect.
Speaker 1: And I mean he did bring me to Australia.
Speaker 2: My first ever time in Australia was on his tour
Speaker 2: and we went, I mean it was amazing, went all
Speaker 2: around Australia and New Zealand and I got to play.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think at the time we played the
Speaker 2: biggest ticted show in Australia ever in Melbourne in at
Speaker 2: the MCG.
Speaker 1: Yeah at the MCG so.
Speaker 2: Like best instruction to Australia ever. I actually went from
Speaker 2: Ed Shearan Melbourne. No, I went from Ed Sheeran Sydney
Speaker 2: Show to Mardi Gras.
Speaker 4: Oh amazing in one ye was Latime of Year as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, three years ago.
Speaker 4: And funnily enough it's in the country now as well.
Speaker 2: Well do you Is that funny enough? Or is that
Speaker 2: a business trip? Is that what we call a work away?
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 3: It's like you do your your business conference is in Australia.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is actually a triannual business conference.
Speaker 1: It's just me and Ed Shapran.
Speaker 2: We're on sort of a team's made me every evening
Speaker 2: just going through our KPIs for the year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a one. We do that in Australia
Speaker 1: because it's our favorite place.
Speaker 3: So let's go back before it, when you were a
Speaker 3: little mazy b E, before ed b E, before little Maize.
Speaker 3: Now you're a twin. I am and I think? Are you?
Speaker 4: Are you a gem? And I twin?
Speaker 3: I am a.
Speaker 1: Gem and I twin? Are you a bit?
Speaker 3: We were like into the into the horoscopes?
Speaker 2: I definitely definitely a little bit woo.
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot. That should just be the
Speaker 1: headline of the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot, but I am into it
Speaker 2: in a casual way and obviously I am a gem
Speaker 2: and I twin, which I feel like was of course,
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit woo because that's kind of iconic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of have to be. And then you know,
Speaker 3: your last album was called The Good Wirch Tru true.
Speaker 3: You know, there's there's there's which within you talk to
Speaker 3: me about your childhood and growing up.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I obviously I am am a twin as
Speaker 2: you said, Ellen, and the two of us are my parents.
Speaker 1: And it's funny.
Speaker 2: I'm like, sorry, just trying to make a joke, but
Speaker 2: actually to be serious, No, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 2: I have really supportive, wonderful parents, and I grew up
Speaker 2: a lot in the British countryside, which was amazing.
Speaker 1: Lots of sort of drinking wkds and fields. I don't
Speaker 1: have of wahd's have reached Australia. Do you guys know
Speaker 1: what they are? Yeah, of course you do.
Speaker 2: Lots of WKD in the field and sort of like
Speaker 2: wearing heels to go out but then having to like
Speaker 2: put your boots on to go home because you couldn't
Speaker 2: wear your heels through the mud. And one bus It
Speaker 2: was very small town, which I think was good because
Speaker 2: it meant that I just spent all my time writing
Speaker 2: songs and being a busker and playing in pubs and
Speaker 2: ale festivals and apple pressing festivals and I mean talent competitions.
Speaker 2: I really did a lot of that from the age
Speaker 2: of like thirteen to sixteen seventeen. I would say, which
Speaker 2: was which was so good? And I'm so glad you
Speaker 2: did it. And my sister never I was used to
Speaker 2: try and make her be in a family band with me,
Speaker 2: and she didn't want to do it. And now I say, Ellen,
Speaker 2: look look what we could have been. Look who could
Speaker 2: have been sat here together together?
Speaker 3: And you often are in a podcast studio together now
Speaker 3: because you do one together exactly.
Speaker 2: So I've managed to bring her into the fold in
Speaker 2: a different in a different way. But yeah, we have
Speaker 2: a podcast together called twin Hood's been going. Uh maybe
Speaker 2: we've been doing it for over a year, but it's
Speaker 2: been public for about eight months. Yes, And the podcast
Speaker 2: studio is actually our house because we live together in
Speaker 2: London also with our boyfriends. There's all four of us
Speaker 2: in one flat and we do community of the living
Speaker 2: room and make it a podcast studio once or twice
Speaker 2: a week, and the boyfriends are sent upstairs really.
Speaker 3: Long, and I know you normally have a glass of wine,
Speaker 3: which I would have loved to have done for us,
Speaker 3: but it is early in the morning.
Speaker 2: No, so fair, and we don't. The glass of wine
Speaker 2: is sort of a special occasions. We had a lot
Speaker 2: to celebrate last episode we did, so the glass of
Speaker 2: wine came out.
Speaker 1: But it really is it's very much a family.
Speaker 2: Affair, quite literally, our producer Paul Kersey, who runs it
Speaker 2: with us, and it really is just the four of us.
Speaker 1: But it's so much fun.
Speaker 2: And I'm honestly seeing when I watch it back, because
Speaker 2: you just it's just feavursed dream and you forget everything
Speaker 2: you've said. And I watch it back and I giggle
Speaker 2: all the time. I'm constantly cracking up at my twin
Speaker 2: hundred jet.
Speaker 3: When did you sort of discover your talent for songwriting
Speaker 3: and for music?
Speaker 1: I guess maybe sort of twelve.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I discovered a talent, as I
Speaker 2: just really fell in love with it and so just
Speaker 2: did it constantly. From probably the age of about twelve.
Speaker 2: I was always writing as a kid. I was writing
Speaker 2: short stories and novels, and I was always almost entering
Speaker 2: the Guardian Short Story competition for children, and I never
Speaker 2: would actually enter it because it was I would start
Speaker 2: and write like a paragraph or two, and then I
Speaker 2: would get distracted.
Speaker 1: And then I.
Speaker 2: Discovered songs, which are very short stories with lots of repetition,
Speaker 2: and you're able to finish them in half an hour,
Speaker 2: an hour or two hours, and I think that medium.
Speaker 1: Sort of spoke to me more. And I was a
Speaker 1: huge lover of music.
Speaker 2: I mean, when I was a tween tween, I was
Speaker 2: really into Green Day at all time low my chemical romance.
Speaker 1: But then I also grew up on.
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift and Kelly Clarkson and Sarah Barryeliz and Ingrid Michaelson,
Speaker 2: and so I think I was always really into super
Speaker 2: lyrical stuff. And then when I started I borrowed my
Speaker 2: friend's guitar when I was twelve and started learning a
Speaker 2: few bits and started writing songs. And from there I
Speaker 2: really just I'm pretty sure I wrote a song every
Speaker 2: day for like three years. I would get home from
Speaker 2: school and open my laptop like I was at work
Speaker 2: and sit at my desk with my guitar and just
Speaker 2: write so many songs about things that were absolutely not
Speaker 2: happening to me. I was writing about my husband who
Speaker 2: had done me wrong, and I was throwing him in
Speaker 2: a creek. And I actually wrote that song. I didn't
Speaker 2: even play guitar at that point. I wrote it to
Speaker 2: the Cup Song, which for women of a certain time,
Speaker 2: I see some nodding.
Speaker 1: In the audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for women at a certain time, that was really
Speaker 2: important to us. And so I did write my first
Speaker 2: first song to the Cup Song, to the beat of
Speaker 2: the Cup Song, about throwing my husband in a river.
Speaker 2: And I was twelve, And that's what you call ahead
Speaker 2: of your time. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, and hopefully not
Speaker 2: a prophecy. No, hopefully not a profit see, but you know,
Speaker 2: maybe that's the way were yeah, metaphorically, And I have
Speaker 2: written songs since then about throwing men in bodies of water.
Speaker 2: Actually a German interview have brought that up to me
Speaker 2: the other week, and it was really something to ponder
Speaker 2: because I have done that since, So maybe there's there's
Speaker 2: something to that.
Speaker 4: How did ed finding you come about?
Speaker 2: So we worked with a couple of the same people.
Speaker 2: So at this point I was released. I've released a
Speaker 2: song or two and I was in the studio with
Speaker 2: so many different people in London. I was maybe seventeen
Speaker 2: eighteen nineteen and just doing songwriting sessions every day. I
Speaker 2: was writing, like I think I used to write down
Speaker 2: every song I'd written that year and twenty nineteen twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, I was probably writing seventy eighty songs every
Speaker 2: year in the in the studio with other writers, just
Speaker 2: really learning and creating and and experimenting. And in that
Speaker 2: time I was working with a few people that I
Speaker 2: was working with, and I think he heard about me
Speaker 2: and heard about my stuff through them. I also had
Speaker 2: just signed to Atlantic Records, which is also where he
Speaker 2: was signed, and so yeah, I think we were we
Speaker 2: were sort of crossing paths musically, and he had heard
Speaker 2: some of the stuff I'd done and reached out just
Speaker 2: wanting to work. And so I went up to his
Speaker 2: house and studio in twenty twenty, very early, just before COVID,
Speaker 2: and we wrote some songs together that ended up on
Speaker 2: my debut album, which was so cool, and yeah, just
Speaker 2: really got on and from there I signed to his
Speaker 2: label and we have worked together ever since. This my
Speaker 2: third album, launching to bread Man.
Speaker 3: And he is famously not online, has no phone. You
Speaker 3: are very very Internet literate. Do you feel like you're
Speaker 3: sometimes kind of explaining TikTok to a boomer?
Speaker 1: I did have a few years ago.
Speaker 2: I did make him do a be real with me,
Speaker 2: and that that was a lot for him. I think
Speaker 2: that's maybe even why he's not been on social media
Speaker 2: since it was it was too much once.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got him off.
Speaker 2: No, But you know the thing about it is that
Speaker 2: he is an iPad baby, which is obviously public.
Speaker 1: I'm not sharing that, but his.
Speaker 2: Fingers on the pulse. Like sometimes he's telling me things.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Ken, how do you know that?
Speaker 1: Like he has fingers on the pulse, especially musically. He
Speaker 1: loves music.
Speaker 2: He's always finding new artists and new music, and he's
Speaker 2: really really passionate about it. So he's sometimes he's sending
Speaker 2: his stuff I've not heard of, and yeah, that's just
Speaker 2: one of his many, many genius qualities. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess sometimes I am explaining a TikTok to him, but
Speaker 2: sometimes he's explaining a TikTok to me. And that's what
Speaker 2: we love about a multi generational relationship, which he would
Speaker 2: hate if I.
Speaker 3: Said now with working with Ed and writing with it.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is your boss, and when you are
Speaker 3: writing a song, you have to really get in the
Speaker 3: weeds of your feelings and your experiences. You don't normally
Speaker 3: in a workplace scenario, have to share that much about yourself,
Speaker 3: but you would with Is that strange or is that
Speaker 3: just now part of the course.
Speaker 1: I think so much of.
Speaker 2: My music and how I make music is with other
Speaker 2: people and whoever they are. If they're at or if
Speaker 2: they're another one of my favorite collaborators, then you often
Speaker 2: have a most of the time you have a relationship
Speaker 2: that is built upon that, and so there is a
Speaker 2: real trust. And also it sounds funny, but if you're
Speaker 2: another songwriter and we're writing a song together, there's this
Speaker 2: inherent understanding that we both know that sharing is part
Speaker 2: of the job.
Speaker 1: So it's different.
Speaker 2: If anything, sometimes it's easier to share with those people
Speaker 2: than with friends or family because it's sort of an
Speaker 2: understanding that there's a purpose for what you're saying and
Speaker 2: you're making something together, and so yeah, I think in
Speaker 2: a funny way, that's often why it's easier to be
Speaker 2: honest or easier to share things with people you've just
Speaker 2: met strangers. You might meet a stranger and you've never
Speaker 2: worked and you've never seen each other's faces, and within
Speaker 2: two hours you're like so when I was twelve, And
Speaker 2: I actually think that's kind of a great part of it.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of because you just feel like it's
Speaker 3: stripped away from the start. You just leave that at
Speaker 3: the door and go in and you.
Speaker 2: Just, yeah, you know what you're doing after the process,
Speaker 2: and it's part of what and we're all there to
Speaker 2: make something that feels honest or interesting or fun or unique,
Speaker 2: and yeah, that's and that's that's what we're there to do,
Speaker 2: and that's what we all love doing. So it depends,
Speaker 2: and some rooms feel easier to do that than other rooms,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: And I have so many wonderful co.
Speaker 2: Writers and collaborators and producers that I love to work
Speaker 2: with because I feel like they really leave me the
Speaker 2: space and the time in the room to say something
Speaker 2: honest or difficult or interesting, and those are the best
Speaker 2: people to work with.
Speaker 3: You are very honest in your songwriting. Does that come
Speaker 3: easy for you to share when it comes to actually
Speaker 3: sharing it publicly or do you have this moment before
Speaker 3: releasing a song or an album where you think I
Speaker 3: have I said too much.
Speaker 2: I think a crucial thing because people ask me this question,
Speaker 2: and I feel like a crucial thing that people need
Speaker 2: to know is that if you ask me to release
Speaker 2: the song at the time I wrote it, I probably
Speaker 2: would feel nervous and unsure and embarrassed and maybe like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to say this. But
Speaker 2: often by the time you're releasing a song, for me,
Speaker 2: at least it's at least I mean, it's probably at
Speaker 2: least six months old, probably older than that. There's songs
Speaker 2: on Fluorescence that aren't out yet that are going to
Speaker 2: be almost three years old by the time they come out,
Speaker 2: because the process is so long, and writing an album
Speaker 2: at least again, for me, I'm normally taking at least
Speaker 2: a year or so. And then sometimes there are songs
Speaker 2: from even before that which you really feel like have
Speaker 2: a place on the record. So by the time, in
Speaker 2: a really lovely way for me, by the time the
Speaker 2: album and the music coming out, I've really come to peace.
Speaker 1: With come to terms with whatever the song is about.
Speaker 2: Often and it feels like a part of my past,
Speaker 2: and the song then feels, if anything, quite separate from
Speaker 2: from whatever, from the reality that it's about it, then
Speaker 2: it's about my experience writing that song and working on
Speaker 2: that song. And then by the time the song comes out,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I mean then to me the song
Speaker 2: is number one really just other people's for them to
Speaker 2: enjoy and build their own memories on.
Speaker 1: But also for me.
Speaker 2: Then the song really becomes about playing it live and
Speaker 2: the fans and the shows and the moments. And it's
Speaker 2: by by that point I find that you know, sharing
Speaker 2: it is the is the easiest it's going to be
Speaker 2: because you're just looking forward to all of that and
Speaker 2: whatever it was about to me personally is sort of
Speaker 2: a part of the past.
Speaker 3: Because I read that you said you loved what Lucy
Speaker 3: Daker said in Night Shift about wanting a song in
Speaker 3: five years that she's written to feel like a cover.
Speaker 1: When, oh my god, that I did say that. Where
Speaker 1: did you find that?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've been I've spent my week in the world of
Speaker 3: Mazie Peters, So I love you know something that you
Speaker 3: haven't that you've said that I haven't reattena.
Speaker 2: So it's good when I say only really intelligent and
Speaker 2: important things and not although.
Speaker 4: Do you feel like that now when you sing someone.
Speaker 3: And I know The Good Witch is not five years
Speaker 3: old yet, but do you feel like you are singing
Speaker 3: almost covers off at least no longer.
Speaker 1: Go one hundred percent?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do love that early stak As line
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. So much of the Good Witch I
Speaker 2: feel like that about. I mean, and it's funny because
Speaker 2: some songs will become relevant again. I've definitely had that
Speaker 2: as well, but lots of song, I mean lost the
Speaker 2: breakup as a song from Goodwitch, and that song.
Speaker 1: To me is my favorite cover ever.
Speaker 2: It's I love singing that song nowadays because similar to
Speaker 2: what I was saying when I sing it, it really just
Speaker 2: makes me think of all the shows we played and
Speaker 2: all the fans I saw on the front row screaming
Speaker 2: it and.
Speaker 1: Doing Fallon for the first time.
Speaker 2: And I mean, we actually remember we were practicing that
Speaker 2: song in Australia in sound checks but without the pa
Speaker 2: on so one could hear it because we had to
Speaker 2: go straight from Australia and Asia to New York to
Speaker 2: play it on Jimmy Fallon and we'd never played it
Speaker 2: live before. So I also really remember practicing it and
Speaker 2: sound checks of shows I think we practice it in
Speaker 2: the Perth shows soundcheck without the paon and on all
Speaker 2: of those all of those memories become what lost the
Speaker 2: records about me, And that's why I love that song
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 3: Oh there's a lyric actually from The Good Witch that
Speaker 3: I love and I'm going to read out to you
Speaker 3: now because I want to explore it with you, which is,
Speaker 3: to me, it feels like the thesis of the Good Witch.
Speaker 3: But I love you can you can correct me on that,
Speaker 3: but it is about that that line when you say
Speaker 3: nobody actually happy and healthy has ever felt so desperate
Speaker 3: to prove it.
Speaker 1: Love Love, That's what I thought you were going to choose.
Speaker 1: So I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that line because I feel like that album
Speaker 3: is about knowing you weren't over it, but trying to
Speaker 3: convince yourself that it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I think in a really amazing way. I
Speaker 2: love that album because it's so it's it's a very
Speaker 2: dramatic and in lots of places quite angry album. I
Speaker 2: kind of I maybe not angry is the best word,
Speaker 2: but it's I described the album as being really frustrated
Speaker 2: and unwilling to accept the circumstances that you find yourself in.
Speaker 1: I think that The Good Witch to me was.
Speaker 2: Really about me disagreeing with what had happened to me
Speaker 2: and in that breakup and being like, this isn't this
Speaker 2: isn't what I want, This isn't the life that I want.
Speaker 1: This isn't the choice I wanted.
Speaker 2: And I'm upset about that, and I'm angry about that
Speaker 2: and I don't accept it.
Speaker 1: And that really is what all of that music.
Speaker 2: I think, among other things, is the place that musically
Speaker 2: stems from. And a reason that that feels cool now
Speaker 2: is that with my new record, Fluorescence, it really feels
Speaker 2: sort of like the opposite of that. It's actually an
Speaker 2: album a lot which is really centers around forgiveness and
Speaker 2: really accepting who you are and where you are. And
Speaker 2: I think the piece and the joy and yeah that
Speaker 2: that brings you and looking back and accepting memories for
Speaker 2: what they were and relationships for what they were. And
Speaker 2: I'm still twenty five, so I'm not to say that
Speaker 2: I am the leader on forgiveness and acceptance.
Speaker 1: Because I'm not.
Speaker 2: But I think that in relation to The Good Witch,
Speaker 2: that is why Fluorescence is able to have that feeling
Speaker 2: and stance because it came from such a different place,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: I see, something I always say about myself is when
Speaker 3: that sometimes I have enough self awareness to know that
Speaker 3: what I'm doing, like about what I'm doing right, but
Speaker 3: not enough to not do it. And I wondered if
Speaker 3: that resonated with you in terms of the Good Witch
Speaker 3: and the way that you wrote about not being able
Speaker 3: to get over or accept this moment, like you knew
Speaker 3: that you needed to, you had that self awareness to
Speaker 3: do that, but not enough to not do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely. I mean one hundred percent the lots
Speaker 1: of the music on that album.
Speaker 2: And I say this with love because I love the
Speaker 2: Good Wation and I love the music on the album,
Speaker 2: So I say this with love, but it's a little
Speaker 2: bit ridiculous, Like it is dramatic and insane and ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And I mean was about the situation that was so uh,
Speaker 2: what's the word I'm looking for here? About a situation
Speaker 2: that was in no way momentous enough to be the
Speaker 2: inspiration of a fifteen track album, like and I was
Speaker 2: self aware about that at the time as well. I
Speaker 2: knew that I know it now, but one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: And also as a songwriter. I think that's the joy
Speaker 2: of songwriting. That's actually what's so amazing about it is
Speaker 2: you're able to it's literally like magic.
Speaker 1: You're able to turn memories and moments in months.
Speaker 2: And weeks and years into this like beautiful, interesting, sweet, funny,
Speaker 2: lyrical body of work that so many people respond to
Speaker 2: and inspires them and make them dance and sing and
Speaker 2: laugh and cry.
Speaker 1: And that's that's definitely the point.
Speaker 2: It's it's in a funny way, it's sort of the
Speaker 2: inspiration is this is the smallest part of the record.
Speaker 1: And of the song. There's so much else in it
Speaker 1: that comes from me.
Speaker 2: And actually, sorry I'm rambling, but you've reminded me of
Speaker 2: something somebody asked me the other day. Do you ever
Speaker 2: send people the songs you write about them? Or are
Speaker 2: you ever worried about what they're going to say back
Speaker 2: to you? And I kind of was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't really write the songs for them. Even though
Speaker 2: a lot lots of my songs are about other people,
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, they're really about my experience
Speaker 2: and my feelings and.
Speaker 1: My interpretation or internalization of the event.
Speaker 2: I don't really write it for if I ever do
Speaker 2: write a song to send to somebody else. I probably
Speaker 2: have sent that song because I wrote it to do that,
Speaker 2: but that's quite rare. I'm way more often writing about
Speaker 2: my own life, my own experience, and my own feelings,
Speaker 2: and so I don't really feel the need to share
Speaker 2: it or to hear a response back. It's not really
Speaker 2: for that. It's it's very much for me, and it's
Speaker 2: my art that I'm proud on, and it's my music
Speaker 2: and my words and my melodies and my instrumentation, and
Speaker 2: it's not it's not really about somebody else.
Speaker 1: It's for me.
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard from someone that you've written about?
Speaker 4: Have they responded when you haven't necessarily sent it out?
Speaker 1: Do you know what somebody else asked me this the
Speaker 1: other day? I don't think I have. I guess maybe
Speaker 1: the songs aren't really inviting feedback.
Speaker 4: They're a full stop from you. Yeah, it's kind of a.
Speaker 1: Full stop from me.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I've never had anyone specifically reach out about
Speaker 2: a specific piece of music.
Speaker 4: Do you think that they know that it's about them?
Speaker 3: I feel like, for example, and this is going right back,
Speaker 3: that Kate's brother might have had an when you named
Speaker 3: the song.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's a good point I have.
Speaker 2: I have heard back from Kate's brother in that time.
Speaker 2: That's a good one, no, I mean, yeah, Kate's brother
Speaker 2: obviously is a real man. Shout out Kate's brother. And yeah,
Speaker 2: we obviously did converse. I mean, he's obviously a friend
Speaker 2: of mine. Yeah, and Kate's my best friend. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I have spoken to Kate's brother. That was quite clear
Speaker 2: that it was about him. Yeah, no, he named it.
Speaker 2: That's her real name, her real brother, and that he
Speaker 2: all the all the things in that song, like all
Speaker 2: the things I say about him are just him, I
Speaker 2: will say, Like the song was a joke song.
Speaker 1: It was we I.
Speaker 2: Had a joke with Kate that if I ever met
Speaker 2: her brother, I would fall in love with him, which
Speaker 2: is so funny now because I have since met her
Speaker 2: brother and we're.
Speaker 1: Not in love.
Speaker 2: It's definitely a plastronic pro ship. But it was like
Speaker 2: an inside joke. You have good friends and so, and
Speaker 2: after that joke had happened, after the Hallowe party where
Speaker 2: we had this big joke about it, I went to
Speaker 2: Sweden and I wrote the song really as a joke
Speaker 2: with my with my girl group chat and I was
Speaker 2: texting the chat like, Kate, tell me more things about
Speaker 2: your brother, like what does he like? Because I'm putting
Speaker 2: it in this funny song. And then lo and behold.
Speaker 2: I released the song and led a whole online campaign
Speaker 2: about how I was.
Speaker 1: In love with Kate's brother.
Speaker 2: But no, that was in fact lying for sport and
Speaker 2: it was a beautiful time.
Speaker 1: But no, Kate's brother obviously is.
Speaker 3: Fam After this break, Mazy gets candid about her thoughts
Speaker 3: on mailpop artists. Now, I love what you said before
Speaker 3: about the good witch not warranting fifteen songs written about
Speaker 3: this situation.
Speaker 4: Because I remember when I met you when you were
Speaker 4: here touring with.
Speaker 3: ED and you played a little showcase at Bondai Pavilion
Speaker 3: with the label here right. We had a little chat afterwards,
Speaker 3: and I asked you about your back catalog and what
Speaker 3: you know was the like number one thing that inspired
Speaker 3: your songwriting, and you told me that it was a
Speaker 3: series of mid men.
Speaker 1: Oh beautiful. Yeah, it's gonna see how times changed of
Speaker 1: that from me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love to hear you expand a little bit.
Speaker 2: Less.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go through the weeds of no, because I
Speaker 3: do feel like some seriously brilliant songs written by women
Speaker 3: by female pop stars are inspired by the midst of men.
Speaker 2: They are inspired by men that would not reach out
Speaker 2: their pinky finger to hold your pinky finger if you
Speaker 2: are lying on a railroad track and a train was
Speaker 2: approaching like that is the sort of men that these
Speaker 2: songs are inspired by. And more power to them, because
Speaker 2: you know, we get all two well tenmened version, and
Speaker 2: that's really important exactly what I was again, yes, no,
Speaker 2: And I think if you want me to expand upon
Speaker 2: that in a more intelligent way than what I said
Speaker 2: three years ago, which God knows there's no need, but
Speaker 2: I would say that a lot of my music, and
Speaker 2: a lot of my favorite artists music I think is
Speaker 2: is made. Maybe the simplest way would be a sort
Speaker 2: of an unrequited an unrequited love and unrequited feeling that
Speaker 2: you feelings.
Speaker 1: That you have somebody that if they're maybe not the
Speaker 1: saying back.
Speaker 2: To you, and there's a there is a lot of
Speaker 2: there is a lot of magic in that, I think.
Speaker 2: And I talk about this as a song on Fluorescence
Speaker 2: called Flat Earther, which I'm not gonna spoil, but it's
Speaker 2: a lot of that song is about actually the magic
Speaker 2: in an unrequited love and how much.
Speaker 1: You learn about yourself. And I think you learn about
Speaker 1: your own.
Speaker 2: Capacity for love and frustration and anger and and just
Speaker 2: deep feeling. And I do think that you learn about
Speaker 2: that when you're in love, obviously, and you learn about
Speaker 2: that when you're heartbroken, but maybe you can learn about
Speaker 2: that the most when you're in that sort of space
Speaker 2: in between all three.
Speaker 4: I do have a theory as well, okay, that.
Speaker 3: A lot of songs written by men are about the
Speaker 3: most extraordinary women in comparison.
Speaker 1: Well, I have a feelings on men of the music
Speaker 1: that I'm not.
Speaker 4: It's we're not filtering, so.
Speaker 1: Funny, No, but yeah, I obviously one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 2: I think that women are incredible and amazing. That's really
Speaker 2: all I have to say. And it's so good to
Speaker 2: chat with you. Noh, yeah, I agree in a big way.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the Eras tour. So how did that
Speaker 4: come about?
Speaker 1: Well, I've been a swifty for my whole entire life.
Speaker 3: Oh, I want to ask you, what was the album
Speaker 3: that made you a swifty?
Speaker 2: So hard to say, probably realistically the album I was.
Speaker 1: Hard?
Speaker 2: Do I say that I was about saying realistically the
Speaker 2: album was cognitively aware of would be maybe Speak Now.
Speaker 2: But then I think when you're so young, I mean
Speaker 2: I was. I think Debut tates Off. Debut came out
Speaker 2: in night two thousand and nine. I'm gonna say I
Speaker 2: think Felis was like twenty eleven. I'm really going for
Speaker 2: some guesses here. I know that nineteen eighty nine was
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, but.
Speaker 4: I think fourteen.
Speaker 1: Do you think twenty fifty.
Speaker 2: I don't think I think eighty nine was like fifteen
Speaker 2: or sixteen because I was I'm the year. I was
Speaker 2: born in two thousand, so I'm a year of the millennium,
Speaker 2: and I think I was like fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: When it came out.
Speaker 2: But I will say so I was probably too young
Speaker 2: at that the early albums, but I remember watching music videos,
Speaker 2: so like white Horse music video, I was definitely watching that.
Speaker 1: Obviously Loves Story music video. I was definitely watching that.
Speaker 2: And then I mean tear Drops of my Guitar as Song,
Speaker 2: all those songs I.
Speaker 1: Was watching the music videos of.
Speaker 2: So I mean maybe up into fifty since the beginning,
Speaker 2: but I would say probably Speak Now back to December
Speaker 2: was like a huge song for me.
Speaker 1: When I was at school.
Speaker 2: I remember going to my music practice rooms and playing
Speaker 2: back to December every lunchtime on my guitar, not even
Speaker 2: really learning it, just singing it, which is so sweet.
Speaker 2: And then I was I was locked in from then, really,
Speaker 2: but I was big time locked in for Red and
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine and all those things. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was so important to me when I was growing up.
Speaker 2: And then I, you know, fast forward ten years and
Speaker 2: I get a call for my manager and he says,
Speaker 2: what are you doing on August the nineteenth?
Speaker 1: What was I think?
Speaker 2: And I just think he's gonna say something really annoying
Speaker 2: that I have to do, so I'm like nothing, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: And I was also in a shop called new Look.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have these in Australia.
Speaker 4: Oh I don't.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, So I was in a new Look in
Speaker 2: the UK with my sister and London in Brighton, where
Speaker 2: we're sort of hometown and actually fun treat for no filters.
Speaker 1: Feels correct?
Speaker 2: Is that in that moment I was quite mad because
Speaker 2: I just found out that my sister had gone up
Speaker 2: several copsizes and had way bigger boobs than me, and
Speaker 2: that had never been true in our life, and I
Speaker 2: was like, how has this happened to me? What? Like?
Speaker 2: This was?
Speaker 1: How's this happened to me?
Speaker 2: So I was sort of in a grumpy mood outside
Speaker 2: the changing rooms of New Lark, waiting for her to
Speaker 2: try things on, and then my magic calls me when
Speaker 2: she's feeling out every yeah, and I was like, what
Speaker 2: the hell sort of to see my own feelings on that,
Speaker 2: and then my magicals and do you want to support
Speaker 2: to it was the years tall and I was obviously
Speaker 2: gagged and said yes please, And then I ran into
Speaker 2: the changing room and I said, Ellen, you will literally
Speaker 2: not believe what.
Speaker 1: Just happened you because that you know, everyone had to
Speaker 1: win that day and that's important.
Speaker 4: Tell me about the experience.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. I mean, it was a real dream
Speaker 2: come true. I've wanted to support half of my whole life.
Speaker 2: And obviously the Air's tour was such a feat of
Speaker 2: touring and stage whenship.
Speaker 4: Had you been to see it before you not?
Speaker 2: No, I'd actually never seen her life before that either,
Speaker 2: so that was pretty epic for me getting to see
Speaker 2: her life for the first time.
Speaker 1: And I'm on the on the show, but she was.
Speaker 2: The show is obviously unbelievable, and as a swifty as well,
Speaker 2: was just, I mean, the dream show for a fan,
Speaker 2: and I loved the whole thing. And I actually had
Speaker 2: purposefully not. I tried to stay away from too many
Speaker 2: spoilers online. I mean, obviously I've seen a couple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I obviously knew a couple. I knew to dive
Speaker 1: into the stage, but I didn't know the set list.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the running order. So that was so
Speaker 1: special and so cool.
Speaker 3: Well I think the setlist had changed when anyway, when
Speaker 3: you saw it, Yeah, yeah, definitely, but I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's so cool.
Speaker 2: And my parents were there, my friends were there all.
Speaker 2: I mean, my sister was actually in the pit because
Speaker 2: randomly she'd got tickets for that night, even though she
Speaker 2: hadn't known that I was the support that day.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy that's randomly tickets to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was there. Oh, everyone in my life
Speaker 2: was there. The show was amazing. It was like the
Speaker 2: greatest drugs ever. I actually, yeah, I've not done that
Speaker 2: many drugs, but I've done no drug better than the
Speaker 2: errors to all, and I can say.
Speaker 1: That, and I can say that to camera as well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 4: I can say that to camera too.
Speaker 1: We can clip that clip that yeah clip that I heard.
Speaker 4: You bought her some books? I did, What what do
Speaker 4: you buy Taylor Swift? Well?
Speaker 1: I went.
Speaker 2: I actually sent my her suite manager to Bricklyne Bookshop
Speaker 2: on the way and I was like, you need to
Speaker 2: get her some books as a person, and you have
Speaker 2: to go to this bookshop. Andy, So we bought her.
Speaker 2: I took it back from that purple one. And and
Speaker 2: what books did I buy out? You know, I need
Speaker 2: to go back and find the actual list, but from
Speaker 2: memory it was I think it was. It was a
Speaker 2: Wendy Cope poetry book is a British poet who I love.
Speaker 2: I think it was a Margaret Atwood short story's anthology
Speaker 2: called Lubird's Egg, I think. And then I probably bought
Speaker 2: her a Secretstory Better on a tart. And I also
Speaker 2: maybe bought her The Idiot by Elip Pitumann. I think
Speaker 2: I would have to check that for sure, but those
Speaker 2: definitely the first two and maybe the other two as well.
Speaker 3: There was the huge Eras moment for you where the
Speaker 3: clip went viral suggesting that you couldn't sing What did
Speaker 3: that feel like?
Speaker 4: In real time.
Speaker 2: So it's sort of a complex thing because there was
Speaker 2: a few different factors. I think, not publicly, not at
Speaker 2: the time, because didn't I didn't speak about it publicly
Speaker 2: really until now they're.
Speaker 1: Going into this album.
Speaker 2: Was that six months prior to that, I'd actually had
Speaker 2: real issues with my vocal courts. I had UH vocal pollups,
Speaker 2: which are like a medical condition on issue.
Speaker 3: And I had common with singers as well, Yeah fairly common.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fairly common with singers, but not good and dangerous.
Speaker 2: And there was a time when I was going to
Speaker 2: have to have surgery and be completely silent for like
Speaker 2: a month or two. And it was very scary at
Speaker 2: the time and was a real thing in my life.
Speaker 1: And that was six months before the Year's tour, and after.
Speaker 2: I'd just come off of the Wembley show for Good Witch,
Speaker 2: and so I had all of these issues and I
Speaker 2: had to work really hard to get my singing voice
Speaker 2: back and do a lot of vocal therapy and be
Speaker 2: very quiet. I sort of I didn't sing for months,
Speaker 2: I barely spoke, and that was all behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: but it meant that when I got back to touring
Speaker 2: the next year and I was doing nuh and colplay
Speaker 2: and the Year's tour. It was definitely on my mind,
Speaker 2: and so I think when that happened and I had
Speaker 2: such an influx of hate that was definitely a component
Speaker 2: of that that I obviously people didn't know about.
Speaker 1: That made it much harder me. And it was a
Speaker 1: funny thing.
Speaker 2: It was obviously the best day of my life, the Arestorp,
Speaker 2: and so to also experience such huge amounts of hate, which.
Speaker 1: Is what it was.
Speaker 2: It was. There was varying levels, but there was a
Speaker 2: lot of just sort of blatant hate, and it was
Speaker 2: a crazy thing to experience. I mean, it was for
Speaker 2: a human being to experience that much attention, that much
Speaker 2: high and then that much low and that much critique
Speaker 2: and thought it was it was so crazy. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like such a relatively unique experience. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: actually so I woke up the next day and I
Speaker 2: had to go to Birmingham to the snow Can show,
Speaker 2: and I woke up feeling literally hungover, even though I
Speaker 2: had not a drop of alcohol. And I posted that
Speaker 2: video day before. The ironic thing is I posted it
Speaker 2: because I thought it was good. Obviously I was proud
Speaker 2: of it. So I was like it's not like it
Speaker 2: went viral someone else.
Speaker 3: Posted to get And it was also that moment in
Speaker 3: the song where you're you know, declaring it's you know,
Speaker 3: I'm on the eras too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so ironic.
Speaker 2: It was. Yeah, it was a real moment of pride
Speaker 2: for me. But the clip had gone super viral in
Speaker 2: a way I didn't expect. And I went to Birmingham
Speaker 2: and yeah, I think it was just it was there
Speaker 2: was so much adrenaline and so much high and so
Speaker 2: much low. And I ended up doing the sound check
Speaker 2: for that show, for that Noah show that night, and
Speaker 2: I'd had all these issues my voice, so I had
Speaker 2: a lot of anxiety around losing my voice and doing
Speaker 2: shows where I'd lost my voice because I'd done so
Speaker 2: many shows with these poly ups I hadn't known about
Speaker 2: and it was very difficult. And so yeah, I ended
Speaker 2: up doing the sound check for that Noah show and
Speaker 2: all day I've been like, oh, I'm fine, I'm fine.
Speaker 2: And then I did the show and I just burst
Speaker 2: into tears and the soundcheck and but then got it together,
Speaker 2: did the show.
Speaker 1: The show was great. Life went on, and that's what's
Speaker 1: very important to say.
Speaker 2: Obviously, life doves go on and it feels like this
Speaker 2: massive thing and in reality, I mean, two thousand worst
Speaker 2: things are happening every single day than what.
Speaker 1: Happened to me. But I did then write about it.
Speaker 2: There's a song call Mary Janes that opens the album,
Speaker 2: and there's a lyric in Mary Janes about crying and
Speaker 2: crying in Birmingham, I say, in Birmingham Jesus Christ, which
Speaker 2: feels relevant.
Speaker 4: You responded at the time with the Taylor Swift lyric.
Speaker 1: I think I posted me and all my Instagram stour.
Speaker 1: But honestly I stand by that that was a good response.
Speaker 4: So did I do it again a flawless respond?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: I actually think I might have given you a round
Speaker 3: of applause when I saw your response. The Internet does
Speaker 3: have a way of taking a moment and really flattening
Speaker 3: it like that and not giving it any context. Which
Speaker 3: is it cathartic now to be able to give that context?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it was obviously a few years ago now,
Speaker 2: but I am pleased now with how I responded to
Speaker 2: it back then and reacted to it. I'm proud of myself,
Speaker 2: and I think even then I knew that it was
Speaker 2: often very little point in reacting or engaging with that.
Speaker 2: And also I was able to tther enough to be like,
Speaker 2: I just had the best day of my life.
Speaker 1: I was on the Airs tour like you are sending
Speaker 1: me a hate comment on TikTok.
Speaker 2: It's very incomparable experiences, and I was luckily, I was
Speaker 2: really able to hold onto no matter what people said.
Speaker 2: I was, well, you can't take away that I had
Speaker 2: the best day ever yesterday.
Speaker 1: And I lived my dream, literally.
Speaker 4: Lived my dream, and you know it. I remember when
Speaker 4: it happened to Alanna del Rey on SNL.
Speaker 2: It was and has all adventurous women do.
Speaker 1: On the internet. I love to be in my land
Speaker 1: at that very moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere. After this short break, I asked Mazie
Speaker 3: about her mystery boyfriend. Now, let's talk about fluorescence. I
Speaker 3: loved to so if the Good Witch felt like kind
Speaker 3: of survival and coming through something, what is fluorescence about?
Speaker 2: Well, fluorescence is means to blossom, to bloom, develop richly
Speaker 2: and fully.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I know that, and that's very much what the
Speaker 1: album is about. Really.
Speaker 2: I think it is about a journey into love, into happiness,
Speaker 2: into peace, and those are things that are quite hard
Speaker 2: to write about, I think, and as a result, it's
Speaker 2: rarer to get albums and music written about being happy
Speaker 2: or being content, and so that was very much something
Speaker 2: that I was not grappling with, but with the whole
Speaker 2: process of making Fluorescence, it was maybe it's probably it
Speaker 2: was a harder album maybe to finish and to write
Speaker 2: than Goodwich, because it's so easy to write songs that
Speaker 2: are really dramatic and an upset and so full of
Speaker 2: emotion that it's so close to the surface, and I
Speaker 2: think happiness is a much more complicated and quiet thing
Speaker 2: to write about them, It's quite hard to write songs
Speaker 2: about like little quiet moments. But that was very much
Speaker 2: my intensive with Fluorescence, and it was the life I've
Speaker 2: happened living and was living at the time in the
Speaker 2: making of and so I knew I really wanted the
Speaker 2: album to represent that, and it was sort of a
Speaker 2: challenge to myself to make an album that felt lighter
Speaker 2: and especially seeing as The Good Witch was so far
Speaker 2: from that, and I knew that my fan base loved that,
Speaker 2: and so it was sort of a cool challenge to
Speaker 2: make an album that felt very different to that and
Speaker 2: very true to who I am and how I was living.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like it's the first time you've written
Speaker 3: from a place of stability rather than chaos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely, because my first album, I was nineteen, enough.
Speaker 1: Said, and good Witch was written during a year.
Speaker 2: I was on tour, I mean more than I was not,
Speaker 2: and I was stealing away moments and I was sort
Speaker 2: of going through these heartbreaks, and yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: very chaotic time, which is why the music is chaotic
Speaker 2: in an amazing way. And Fluorescence was made really predominantly,
Speaker 2: I mean, it was started whilst I was on tour
Speaker 2: with that year.
Speaker 1: When I was on the Noah tour and Connan and
Speaker 1: Colplay and Taylor. It was kind of made in those gaps.
Speaker 2: But I was in a really happy, stable relationship and
Speaker 2: then I was really predominantly in London after that when
Speaker 2: I recorded them properly finished the album, and yeah, living
Speaker 2: a very much more stable, peaceful little life than good Witch.
Speaker 3: Has it been interesting for you writing about being in
Speaker 3: love when it was something that you were chasing in
Speaker 3: the past and we were dealing with more the flip
Speaker 3: side of it, the breakups.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: I was definitely interesting and I've sort of said throughout
Speaker 2: making the process, I knew I needed to have love
Speaker 2: songs on the album, but they're so hard to write.
Speaker 2: And I'm really proud of the ones on the album.
Speaker 2: They actually all feel maybe about four or five of them,
Speaker 2: and they all feel really important to the story of
Speaker 2: the album, but all feel really like one of one,
Speaker 2: like they're very specific to me and my relationship, and
Speaker 2: they all feel, yeah, like unique little stories and moments,
Speaker 2: and I'm really proud of all of them, and they're
Speaker 2: all quite different. They're not I think in writing this,
Speaker 2: people expect a love song to feel quite classic and
Speaker 2: quite earnest and broad and maybe because some of our
Speaker 2: the world's favorite love songs, and I love those two
Speaker 2: and I've definitely got some.
Speaker 1: Of those as well.
Speaker 2: But I actually think a lot of the love songs
Speaker 2: on this album, I mean, Vampire Time, my regards Mary
Speaker 2: Jane's are quite sort of wonky and unique and specific and.
Speaker 1: Personal to me. So I really love that.
Speaker 2: And actually there's a couple of love songs that didn't
Speaker 2: make Fluorescence the first version of the album that I
Speaker 2: really love and would love to make the deluxe for
Speaker 2: what that comes about. There's more that didn't unfortunately make
Speaker 2: the whole whole record because you.
Speaker 1: Can only do so many songs. But yeah, they're definitely
Speaker 1: harder to write.
Speaker 2: But I will say I found it interesting when I
Speaker 2: was writing love songs for Fluorescence, a lot of them
Speaker 2: felt very lighthearted, which was cool. I think again a
Speaker 2: preconception is a love song has to feel very earnest
Speaker 2: and heavy and deep. And actually the songs that I've
Speaker 2: really found myself gravitating towards were writing songs like my
Speaker 2: Regards that were really fun and sort of sexy and silly, yeah,
Speaker 2: and right and not super serious, which was so fun
Speaker 2: to do after making sort of and in a way
Speaker 2: that's again maybe a part of my music that will
Speaker 2: always retain remain and similar to good Witch, which is
Speaker 2: also not super serious that good Witch in a more
Speaker 2: sort of dramatic, insane way, And I think with Fluorescence,
Speaker 2: the fun is yeah, more lighthearted and sort of silly
Speaker 2: and sexy and yeah, sort of I describe it.
Speaker 1: It's like a sort of it's a ry smile, It's
Speaker 1: like an iraw raised.
Speaker 3: Was it interesting being able to share it in real
Speaker 3: time with the person who inspired mister.
Speaker 1: Mister emo emotion man y. Yeah, it was so sweet.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you're saying, do you are you
Speaker 2: sending people's songs? You write about them?
Speaker 1: And I what was I doing? Would I send them
Speaker 1: to him?
Speaker 2: No, I probably wasn't sending him songs, but I would
Speaker 2: play them to him when I got the demos back
Speaker 2: and we'd be driving and he would Yeah. Obviously he's
Speaker 2: my number one fan, so he loved them. And yeah,
Speaker 2: that was a really sweet, lovely thing to do and
Speaker 2: cool to immortalize your relationship and the moments of your
Speaker 2: relationship and and get to have.
Speaker 1: Them as a little sing along forever. That's so cool.
Speaker 3: And for listeners who are not familiar with why we
Speaker 3: are referring to your partner as mister Peters or emoji men,
Speaker 3: could you please explain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I really believe in the thesis of what
Speaker 2: is it private not secret? That's really my uh, the
Speaker 2: way I choose live my life. So that is how
Speaker 2: we my very sweet, respectful fans. And I refer to
Speaker 2: boyfriend on the internet because he is a private person.
Speaker 1: And I'm very very much of.
Speaker 2: The opinion that you know, I write music about us
Speaker 2: in our relationship, and I share that so willingly and
Speaker 2: I'm happy to talk about that.
Speaker 1: But I have.
Speaker 2: Pretty defined boundaries. I guess on my relationship and how
Speaker 2: much that I want to share and how much of
Speaker 2: our life that we want to share. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: as a very sweet compromise the fans, I basically never
Speaker 2: post a picture of him. I put an emojio over
Speaker 2: his face like famous people do with their babies.
Speaker 1: And it kind of stuffed that.
Speaker 2: I don't know why it started, and now it's become
Speaker 2: kind of a funny thing that I do. And there's,
Speaker 2: if anything, it's way better than me posting his actual face,
Speaker 2: Like it's way funnier. And so yeah, they called him
Speaker 2: emoji man for a bit.
Speaker 3: And have they been really respectful of it or is
Speaker 3: there like a people digging to find out who he is.
Speaker 1: For the most part really respectful. I think that's quite unusual.
Speaker 4: I find.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have, I really do have such an amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing fan base.
Speaker 2: They are so respectful, they are so understanding, they are
Speaker 2: so sweet as we supportive, they're so funny, Like, I
Speaker 2: really do have a really exceptional group of people that is.
Speaker 1: In my music.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like they are respecting this boundary because
Speaker 3: you are very giving with.
Speaker 4: What you do share with them.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a yeah, that's a lovely idea, that would
Speaker 2: be so great if that was the reason I think that.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of my familyse we've all grown
Speaker 2: up together, and I think and there's obviously new people
Speaker 2: joining all the time, which I love. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: like to think also maybe the music, and I like
Speaker 2: to think that the music and the way that I
Speaker 2: present online is you.
Speaker 1: Know, respectful and intelligent and.
Speaker 2: With enough nuance that I like to think that that's
Speaker 2: all the sort of people that I attract, and that
Speaker 2: then listening to music and buying into the project and
Speaker 2: so yeah, as a result, I do just have this
Speaker 2: amazing group of people that are really respectful and I
Speaker 2: mean I'll take you know, we'll be out and about
Speaker 2: in London and people will ask for a picture and
Speaker 2: people are so sweet to us both and really like
Speaker 2: sweet to him, and yeah, it's really lovely.
Speaker 4: That's really nice.
Speaker 3: So you don't you do feel like you can go
Speaker 3: out and about and be in a restaurant together and
Speaker 3: not feel like someone's going to oh, yeah, snap and
Speaker 3: say this is him, this is one man unveiled.
Speaker 1: I just we're just not that famous. Which is you
Speaker 1: false are Yeah, we're out about all the time.
Speaker 4: So this is a new era for you.
Speaker 3: This is this is you writing from a place of
Speaker 3: being in love and experiencing that, and you have now
Speaker 3: today we will say not today physically because we're here
Speaker 3: recording in advance, but today, when this episode comes out,
Speaker 3: this body of work will be out in the world.
Speaker 4: What do you want listeners to take from it?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the way I normally answer this
Speaker 2: question is it's really not for me to say what
Speaker 2: they take from it, And I would hope it's a lot,
Speaker 2: because there's fifteen songs. They're so varied and their inspiration
Speaker 2: and their genre and their feeling and their their tone.
Speaker 2: But kind of what I always say and what I
Speaker 2: feel most deeply is that I would love this album
Speaker 2: to mean to people what my favorite album means. So
Speaker 2: when Lord released Virgin, I loved that album.
Speaker 1: And I've been a fan of her for.
Speaker 2: You know, ten years, however long it's been, and you know,
Speaker 2: with the with Virgin, I felt like I was fifteen
Speaker 2: again and maybe even maybe my favorite law about Lord
Speaker 2: album and I listened to it all year. I listened
Speaker 2: to it in the summer I listened to on the
Speaker 2: automatic It's not on the train in the car. I
Speaker 2: played it when I was making dinner. I played it
Speaker 2: when I was walking to the overground, and it became
Speaker 2: such a huge part of my life, and I talked
Speaker 2: about it with my friends. I spoke about the lyrics
Speaker 2: and the production and what I thought it meant and
Speaker 2: how much I loved the title, and it just was
Speaker 2: a piece of music and art that stuck with me
Speaker 2: so so much. It's sort of I felt it so deeply,
Speaker 2: and I love it, and I would love it. Would
Speaker 2: just be my dream if that could be what fluorescence
Speaker 2: is to somebody else, that's like the ultimate dream.
Speaker 1: And you know that's a maybe, that's.
Speaker 2: A high high ass, it's a big ask, but that's
Speaker 2: I would love this. That's the one thing I say.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing I say is when I
Speaker 2: was a teenager and my first friend got her driver's
Speaker 2: license and she would drive us around, drive us.
Speaker 1: To school, drive us to the beach, whatever it was.
Speaker 2: We had certain albums that we would play in the car,
Speaker 2: you know, seventeen eighteen. And that's another thing which I'm like,
Speaker 2: if I can be the album that the girls put
Speaker 2: on on their way to school, on their way to
Speaker 2: whereverever it is, on the way to the hang which
Speaker 2: I think. I like to think the good which was,
Speaker 2: and I would like to think even more that fluorescence
Speaker 2: could be.
Speaker 3: When you and I think this is also interesting when
Speaker 3: you're playing old songs live, but you are in a long,
Speaker 3: happy relationship now with mister Peters. So when you're writing
Speaker 3: and you're looking back in the past and delving into that,
Speaker 3: how does that intersect your current relationship and that space
Speaker 3: And when you play, say, old songs live about past relationships,
Speaker 3: is that a thing or not a thing?
Speaker 2: I am lucky And also I was about to say
Speaker 2: I'm lucky, but also I just am with a good
Speaker 2: partner who is mature and understanding and respectful and knows
Speaker 2: that this is my work, this is what I do,
Speaker 2: this is my passion, and I've worked really hard to
Speaker 2: do it, and he would never want to stand in
Speaker 2: the way of that. I mean, he's really proud of me,
Speaker 2: and he loves my music. And you know, we joke.
Speaker 2: We'll joke about songs I write about the past and
Speaker 2: he'll say they're really they really flop that one, like
Speaker 2: they really could have been getting there my regards, but
Speaker 2: instead they're getting.
Speaker 1: Their uuu and that sucks for those boys.
Speaker 2: But no, I mean, and that's I mean as it
Speaker 2: should be. And I would encourage all women to be
Speaker 2: with somebody that supports them. And I wouldn't really stand
Speaker 2: for anything but that. I think that it's part of
Speaker 2: the job, as part of what I do. But if
Speaker 2: you're mature and.
Speaker 1: Thought, don't show if you are.
Speaker 2: If you're a mature person, then you can very much
Speaker 2: understand that songwriting and writing about the past and then
Speaker 2: living and being in the present a very different things.
Speaker 2: And I like to think that we have a really
Speaker 2: great understanding and.
Speaker 1: We have a really great understanding of that.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, Mazie Peters has moved on from Midmen.
Speaker 1: That's the headline. That's the mother freaking headline.
Speaker 3: Now, before I let you go, I'm going to ask you,
Speaker 3: because I know that you used to go busking, your
Speaker 3: dad would take you.
Speaker 4: I love I love the story how he'd stand like
Speaker 4: away from you, which is so like teenage girl being
Speaker 4: like dad like be there, Yeah, I need your support,
Speaker 4: but don't.
Speaker 1: But but don't crack my side. Yeah, so funny.
Speaker 4: So looking back at that girl, what would you tell
Speaker 4: her now.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't even know. She would be
Speaker 2: so mind blown. I think, to know everything that I've done,
Speaker 2: she would be mind blown.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got these shows. I mean, by when
Speaker 1: this comes.
Speaker 2: Out, I will have played these shows in Australia at
Speaker 2: the Forum and at the m More and I just
Speaker 2: it's so crazy that I'm just coming to Australia all
Speaker 2: this way around the world. And I mean those shows,
Speaker 2: but those shows sold really quickly and we had to
Speaker 2: put second nights on for both of them. And I mean,
Speaker 2: and I mean I've actually played even bigger shows here
Speaker 2: for Good Witch, and but that was amazing. But it
Speaker 2: was sort of even more amazing. She's taken this time off.
Speaker 2: I've not been hit. This is my first time back
Speaker 2: in two and a half years and two yeah, to
Speaker 2: have been away for all this time and been working
Speaker 2: on this album, and you know, everyone has that little
Speaker 2: feeling of a people going to care are people going
Speaker 2: to still be interested in this new album? People just
Speaker 2: you know, do they just like the Good Witch and
Speaker 2: that's just that? And are they interested in what I
Speaker 2: have to offer? And are they going to want to
Speaker 2: come to the show and to have that happen and
Speaker 2: be back here and be playing these shows this weekend,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I just I think back then, I just
Speaker 2: would not have believed that that that would happen. I
Speaker 2: don't know without that's maybe a boring answer, but I
Speaker 2: just would have not believed it. And I have so
Speaker 2: many goals and ambitions and dreams for the rest of
Speaker 2: my career. But also to be at this level and
Speaker 2: be playing those types of rooms and have the types
Speaker 2: of fans that want to come back and the album's
Speaker 2: not even out and they still want to come is
Speaker 2: so amazing and such a feat And I'm really proud
Speaker 2: of myself on.
Speaker 3: That well maze. You have proclaimed Australia as your hometown.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious because it is such a massive country. Yes,
Speaker 3: and all of it is my hometown. The whole thing
Speaker 3: is every single well Yeah, So that means you do
Speaker 3: have to keep coming back.
Speaker 1: And the thing about me is Rvey back, about me
Speaker 1: as Alvey Back. I'm here for two.
Speaker 2: Weeks, which is not long enough, but I yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: really hopeful. I've never been to the arias me just.
Speaker 1: Putting this into the asist so funny. I'm just on
Speaker 1: the fucker like yeah, okay, anyone wants to.
Speaker 2: Invite you to the Arias as I mean, as I
Speaker 2: guess I'd love to sing God God Forbid a nomination,
Speaker 2: but I'm really not asking for that universe, like I
Speaker 2: mean I am, but like I would actually just love
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: I just love to be part of the vibe.
Speaker 2: My like one of my best friends school gratuation's an
Speaker 2: artist here and she's like my sister.
Speaker 1: She's the best, the best of the best.
Speaker 2: And also, this is so funny what I have to do,
Speaker 2: but she's gonna have a new album coming out this
Speaker 2: year maybe or early next, I don't know. Don't come
Speaker 2: from me, Gretoraray fans, but it is so so incredible
Speaker 2: and it's her best work. She's the most incredible artist
Speaker 2: and like the best of Australia. And I'm manifesting like
Speaker 2: Gretoray Aria norm like Maje Peter's is her date for
Speaker 2: the Arias, Like that's sort of what I'm manifesting.
Speaker 1: So just putting that into the universe. And it's so
Speaker 1: funny that she has no idea.
Speaker 2: And it's going to come out in like four months,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's good to put that intoview to us,
Speaker 2: but I would, Yeah, that's my that's my dream.
Speaker 3: Well I hope that that comes true because I would
Speaker 3: love to party with you and Greta at the after party.
Speaker 2: You would, I mean all of the girls. Like, let
Speaker 2: imagine the power of the two of us. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's hardly worth thinking about. Also, I mean there's
Speaker 2: actually a lot of Autralian dreams I have also, Like
Speaker 2: Triple J Hot one hundred. I would love to be
Speaker 2: an entry on that, Like I think I have been
Speaker 2: over one hundred and fifty maybe or a hundred.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure not another rockstar made it.
Speaker 2: But if a song from Fluorescence can make the Triple
Speaker 2: J Hot one hundred, that would also mean a lot
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: Oh well, thank you for coming on No Filter, Mazie
Speaker 3: and coming into your office.
Speaker 4: It's, as I said, such a trait to have you here.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much amongst friends, amazing. Thank you so.
Speaker 3: Much to Maizie Peters for joining us here on No
Speaker 3: Filter and honestly, after spending time with her again for
Speaker 3: this conversation, I think what strikes me most is just
Speaker 3: tell self a where she is.
Speaker 4: There's something really special about and I.
Speaker 3: Who can look back at the chaos and heartbreak that
Speaker 3: inspired albums like The Good Witch, and then arrive at
Speaker 3: a body.
Speaker 1: Of work like Fluorescence.
Speaker 3: It feels softer and more grounded and genuinely hopeful, without
Speaker 3: losing any of that sharpness that made people fall in
Speaker 3: love with her music in the first place. Fluorescence is
Speaker 3: out now wherever you get your music, And if you
Speaker 3: enjoyed this episode, please make sure you follow no Filter
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Speaker 3: Imbrie Player filling in for Kate Langbrook, who will be
Speaker 3: back on Monday with another extraordinary story.