1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,624 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,824 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,864 --> 00:00:29,184 Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. 5 00:00:29,544 --> 00:00:32,424 Speaker 1: I'm Laura Brodnick and I'm Kissenia Lukish and. 6 00:00:32,504 --> 00:00:34,584 Speaker 2: Coming up on the show today, Well, one lady that 7 00:00:34,624 --> 00:00:36,184 Speaker 2: we have a lot to say about a lot of 8 00:00:36,184 --> 00:00:39,304 Speaker 2: different story threads happening around her at the moment. It's 9 00:00:39,304 --> 00:00:40,104 Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney. 10 00:00:40,344 --> 00:00:42,424 Speaker 1: I love Sydney Sweeney, but there is a lot going 11 00:00:42,464 --> 00:00:45,784 Speaker 1: on with her and some bathwater. 12 00:00:46,464 --> 00:00:49,144 Speaker 2: Yes, there's actually I mean, there's three things about Sidney 13 00:00:49,184 --> 00:00:52,504 Speaker 2: Sweeney we must urgently address on today's episode. There is 14 00:00:52,544 --> 00:00:56,544 Speaker 2: her very interesting new product. There is the demise of 15 00:00:56,584 --> 00:00:58,984 Speaker 2: her relationship, which we'll get into. And there's also some 16 00:00:59,184 --> 00:01:02,224 Speaker 2: very interesting comments that she's made about other women in 17 00:01:02,264 --> 00:01:04,984 Speaker 2: Hollywood where she's really double down. So we're going to 18 00:01:04,984 --> 00:01:06,784 Speaker 2: get into that, but first we have a bit of 19 00:01:06,784 --> 00:01:08,184 Speaker 2: a local gossip to get into. 20 00:01:10,464 --> 00:01:14,864 Speaker 1: The Logies Australia's Night of Nights. 21 00:01:15,064 --> 00:01:17,104 Speaker 2: I know people say that in like a silly way now, 22 00:01:17,144 --> 00:01:19,344 Speaker 2: but can I just say, growing up the Logies was 23 00:01:19,384 --> 00:01:21,264 Speaker 2: the biggest night of the year for me, Like I 24 00:01:21,304 --> 00:01:23,064 Speaker 2: would stay up late to watch it. It was the 25 00:01:23,104 --> 00:01:24,944 Speaker 2: most exciting thing because it was the only time you'd 26 00:01:24,944 --> 00:01:27,864 Speaker 2: see like all the stars from McLeod's Daughters and Blue 27 00:01:27,904 --> 00:01:30,544 Speaker 2: Heelers and Home and Away all the same room together. 28 00:01:30,664 --> 00:01:31,624 Speaker 2: Life changing, do. 29 00:01:31,584 --> 00:01:34,304 Speaker 1: You know what. There's been this discourse around it being 30 00:01:34,504 --> 00:01:37,584 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit cheesy, but I've only been 31 00:01:37,664 --> 00:01:41,224 Speaker 1: one year inside the room. I had a blast. 32 00:01:41,464 --> 00:01:42,904 Speaker 2: It's fun, right, I had. 33 00:01:43,064 --> 00:01:47,344 Speaker 1: So much fun, And yeah, it was like the after 34 00:01:47,424 --> 00:01:49,824 Speaker 1: parties were great, like it was a great night. So 35 00:01:49,904 --> 00:01:52,504 Speaker 1: I know, cops a lot of flak, but it really 36 00:01:52,584 --> 00:01:57,184 Speaker 1: is fun and look Australian TV, there are some really 37 00:01:57,224 --> 00:02:00,264 Speaker 1: great things out there. I think what we're really focusing 38 00:02:00,304 --> 00:02:04,744 Speaker 1: on here, though, is the backlash from a lot of 39 00:02:04,824 --> 00:02:07,864 Speaker 1: the Maths contestants not being in Vice. 40 00:02:08,104 --> 00:02:10,784 Speaker 2: Yes. So this week it was confirmed that the Logis 41 00:02:10,784 --> 00:02:13,264 Speaker 2: are going to take place on August third in Sydney. 42 00:02:13,344 --> 00:02:15,464 Speaker 2: Mark that and new calendars I got last year. I 43 00:02:15,464 --> 00:02:17,504 Speaker 2: had just come back from three weeks in Europe and 44 00:02:17,544 --> 00:02:20,144 Speaker 2: I went home and went directly to Logi's red carpet 45 00:02:20,424 --> 00:02:23,024 Speaker 2: with like no stops in between. And so last year's 46 00:02:23,144 --> 00:02:25,144 Speaker 2: is just I have no memory of being there. There's 47 00:02:25,224 --> 00:02:27,864 Speaker 2: videos of me being there, but I physically can't remember it. 48 00:02:27,904 --> 00:02:29,904 Speaker 2: So I'm like looking forward to this year and hopefully 49 00:02:29,904 --> 00:02:31,384 Speaker 2: going and remembering. 50 00:02:32,184 --> 00:02:35,544 Speaker 1: And Sampang, who you might know frohim, Have You Been 51 00:02:35,544 --> 00:02:38,304 Speaker 1: Paying Attention? He's hosting for the third year in a row. 52 00:02:38,464 --> 00:02:41,304 Speaker 2: I love Sampang hosting. I love his opening monologue, Like 53 00:02:41,344 --> 00:02:44,584 Speaker 2: he doesn't skewer the celebrities like American award shows do 54 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:46,784 Speaker 2: as much, but he's always got some fun commentary like 55 00:02:46,864 --> 00:02:47,984 Speaker 2: kind of sprinkled in there. 56 00:02:48,064 --> 00:02:50,424 Speaker 1: He's a funny guy. I actually, again, I was a 57 00:02:50,504 --> 00:02:53,144 Speaker 1: guest on Have You Been Paying Attention? And hey, like 58 00:02:53,824 --> 00:02:56,424 Speaker 1: he really like gave it to me and I was 59 00:02:57,264 --> 00:03:01,664 Speaker 1: love it. It was just so funny Sampang, I love it, 60 00:03:01,704 --> 00:03:03,584 Speaker 1: and I was like giving your back. It was very, 61 00:03:03,664 --> 00:03:05,184 Speaker 1: very enjoyable. I think he's great. 62 00:03:05,344 --> 00:03:06,544 Speaker 2: Yeah, good host. 63 00:03:07,064 --> 00:03:09,144 Speaker 1: But a lot of the back and forth has been 64 00:03:10,064 --> 00:03:14,784 Speaker 1: do these Maths Contestants, which is Channel nine's biggest show 65 00:03:15,904 --> 00:03:18,544 Speaker 1: in terms of bringing in dollars. It is the most 66 00:03:18,544 --> 00:03:22,064 Speaker 1: popular show on television, but a lot of the cast 67 00:03:22,144 --> 00:03:25,744 Speaker 1: members are not invited and they have something to say 68 00:03:25,744 --> 00:03:26,144 Speaker 1: about it. 69 00:03:26,264 --> 00:03:27,984 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what we're learning so off the back of 70 00:03:28,024 --> 00:03:31,544 Speaker 2: the logis date being announced Daily Mail. Who look, I 71 00:03:31,584 --> 00:03:33,704 Speaker 2: know sometimes they fabricate things, but a little bit of 72 00:03:33,704 --> 00:03:36,464 Speaker 2: this feels legit so that they can reveal that only 73 00:03:36,504 --> 00:03:39,064 Speaker 2: a few of this year's stars from merrit at First 74 00:03:39,064 --> 00:03:41,824 Speaker 2: Site are going to be attending the logis. And they 75 00:03:41,864 --> 00:03:45,904 Speaker 2: said that their sources said that contestants like Jamie Athena Ree, 76 00:03:46,064 --> 00:03:50,584 Speaker 2: Jeff Ryan, Carina, Elliott Beth and TJ would all be attending. 77 00:03:50,984 --> 00:03:53,664 Speaker 2: And the thinking behind that is is that apparently they're 78 00:03:53,704 --> 00:03:56,584 Speaker 2: the ones that have like stayed in good standing with 79 00:03:56,984 --> 00:04:00,104 Speaker 2: Channel nine through all of the shows, filming and everything 80 00:04:00,144 --> 00:04:02,824 Speaker 2: that happened afterwards. They have attended events, they like towed 81 00:04:02,864 --> 00:04:06,264 Speaker 2: the company line, and their reward allegedly is to be 82 00:04:06,344 --> 00:04:08,624 Speaker 2: the ones that are chosen and handpicked to go to 83 00:04:08,664 --> 00:04:12,144 Speaker 2: the Logis. And so that's this idea that a couple 84 00:04:12,224 --> 00:04:14,944 Speaker 2: of like the big names from this year will be 85 00:04:14,984 --> 00:04:17,064 Speaker 2: banned from the logis. This is something we saw happened 86 00:04:17,144 --> 00:04:19,584 Speaker 2: last year when only a few of the past participants 87 00:04:19,624 --> 00:04:22,944 Speaker 2: including Evelyn Ellis, Jules Robinson and Cameron Merchant were invited 88 00:04:22,944 --> 00:04:26,024 Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty four ceremony and then over the years, 89 00:04:26,064 --> 00:04:27,944 Speaker 2: a lot of other cast members who have been the 90 00:04:27,984 --> 00:04:30,184 Speaker 2: big names from Maths have been left off the list, 91 00:04:30,224 --> 00:04:31,864 Speaker 2: and it's only the ones who have kind of been 92 00:04:31,904 --> 00:04:35,224 Speaker 2: deemed the acceptable media personalities that get to go well. 93 00:04:35,264 --> 00:04:38,944 Speaker 1: Adleien did say that he's not invited. He's like, I'm 94 00:04:38,944 --> 00:04:41,384 Speaker 1: not surprised. I haven't spoken to anyone about it. 95 00:04:41,744 --> 00:04:44,064 Speaker 2: Yeah. He did an interview with Chatter and he said 96 00:04:44,104 --> 00:04:48,024 Speaker 2: that he's removed himself from anything Maths related, and then said, 97 00:04:48,184 --> 00:04:50,784 Speaker 2: I've removed myself from anything like that or TV related, 98 00:04:50,904 --> 00:04:53,944 Speaker 2: from Maths to insta, all things Maths on social as well. 99 00:04:54,264 --> 00:04:56,024 Speaker 2: Nor have I spoken to any of the cast but 100 00:04:56,104 --> 00:04:58,384 Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. So I have no clue I 101 00:04:58,424 --> 00:05:00,624 Speaker 2: haven't been invited. I mean, yeah, I'd go over the 102 00:05:00,664 --> 00:05:04,144 Speaker 2: social side to meet people for sure. So he's saying 103 00:05:04,184 --> 00:05:06,864 Speaker 2: he hasn't been invited. And then Marina, who spoke out 104 00:05:06,864 --> 00:05:09,984 Speaker 2: about the show since episode one, said that she also 105 00:05:10,064 --> 00:05:12,264 Speaker 2: has a been invited to the logis and said, I 106 00:05:12,264 --> 00:05:15,384 Speaker 2: haven't been invited, just as I've been excluded from every 107 00:05:15,424 --> 00:05:19,424 Speaker 2: event even during filming, that hasn't changed. Attending the logis 108 00:05:19,424 --> 00:05:21,904 Speaker 2: would be an honor and a privilege, though to be honest, 109 00:05:21,944 --> 00:05:24,024 Speaker 2: I prefer not to be seated at the table with 110 00:05:24,104 --> 00:05:27,464 Speaker 2: the Maths cast season twelve. I have no issue sharing 111 00:05:27,504 --> 00:05:29,544 Speaker 2: a room with them, but I won't waste my energy 112 00:05:29,584 --> 00:05:31,984 Speaker 2: on people who have unfairly shut me out. 113 00:05:32,104 --> 00:05:34,064 Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I need to just jump out. 114 00:05:34,264 --> 00:05:35,424 Speaker 2: I feel like I know what you're gonna. 115 00:05:35,184 --> 00:05:40,064 Speaker 1: Say, Honey. Channel nine have a number of tables, okay, 116 00:05:40,184 --> 00:05:44,384 Speaker 1: and they're going to put people at each table. You're 117 00:05:44,424 --> 00:05:48,904 Speaker 1: going to be on a maths table. No one cares, like, 118 00:05:49,424 --> 00:05:51,504 Speaker 1: I don't know. Sometimes I feel like the ego of 119 00:05:51,584 --> 00:05:55,224 Speaker 1: some of these people is just so delusional, like it's 120 00:05:55,264 --> 00:05:58,704 Speaker 1: still not a massive room here, yeah, and there are actions. 121 00:05:58,744 --> 00:06:00,504 Speaker 2: There's a lot of room between those tables. If you've 122 00:06:00,504 --> 00:06:02,464 Speaker 2: been to that event, like your practice. 123 00:06:02,144 --> 00:06:04,944 Speaker 1: And you would it's tight. Like the year that I went, 124 00:06:05,024 --> 00:06:08,384 Speaker 1: I was like right up nosebleed, like yeah, right up 125 00:06:08,424 --> 00:06:10,304 Speaker 1: the back. I think my back was to the staff, 126 00:06:10,704 --> 00:06:14,264 Speaker 1: like couldn't say anything. I was stoked. So yeah, I think, like, 127 00:06:15,064 --> 00:06:18,104 Speaker 1: just lower your expectations and even. 128 00:06:17,904 --> 00:06:19,864 Speaker 2: I think, and again I'm not public putting anything on 129 00:06:19,864 --> 00:06:22,384 Speaker 2: this woman, but I think that's where the conversation comes from, 130 00:06:22,504 --> 00:06:25,544 Speaker 2: is that so many of these math contestants either fight publicly, 131 00:06:25,624 --> 00:06:28,904 Speaker 2: they fight with different publications, and then they also kind 132 00:06:28,984 --> 00:06:31,744 Speaker 2: of infer that they might be fighting in the room 133 00:06:32,064 --> 00:06:34,024 Speaker 2: and you just can't fight at the logis That's what 134 00:06:34,024 --> 00:06:35,504 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say. If the cast of Home and Away 135 00:06:35,544 --> 00:06:37,864 Speaker 2: and Neighbors can keep their beef which is imagined but 136 00:06:37,944 --> 00:06:40,464 Speaker 2: still separate at these events, then you can't have the 137 00:06:40,504 --> 00:06:43,664 Speaker 2: MATHS cast coming in and like potentially causing a scene. 138 00:06:43,704 --> 00:06:47,424 Speaker 1: It's also like they are the epitome of a one 139 00:06:47,624 --> 00:06:51,184 Speaker 1: hit one day. You know, each season is a different cast. Yeah, right, 140 00:06:51,304 --> 00:06:54,304 Speaker 1: So it's not exactly like if you don't get invited 141 00:06:54,344 --> 00:06:57,344 Speaker 1: one year, you're definitely not going to go the next. 142 00:06:57,384 --> 00:06:59,664 Speaker 2: Unless you get cars something else. It also depends on 143 00:06:59,704 --> 00:07:01,624 Speaker 2: like the networks, like they get a certain number of 144 00:07:01,624 --> 00:07:04,544 Speaker 2: tables or different networks, and it depends on who's nominated, 145 00:07:04,544 --> 00:07:07,464 Speaker 2: who's one before, who's presenting, and so you do get 146 00:07:07,464 --> 00:07:09,464 Speaker 2: to pick. It's like with like the movies who are 147 00:07:09,504 --> 00:07:11,744 Speaker 2: nominated look at Me and drawing a parallel from the 148 00:07:11,744 --> 00:07:13,984 Speaker 2: logos to the oscars. The oscars when they get a 149 00:07:13,984 --> 00:07:16,424 Speaker 2: certain number of tickets for each nomination, and then it's 150 00:07:16,464 --> 00:07:18,944 Speaker 2: the people who own the studio who pick who's going. 151 00:07:18,824 --> 00:07:21,144 Speaker 1: Exactly so Channel nine will be allotted at a number 152 00:07:21,224 --> 00:07:23,224 Speaker 1: of tables. If you think about that number of talent 153 00:07:23,264 --> 00:07:25,904 Speaker 1: they have and the number of people that are on maps, 154 00:07:25,944 --> 00:07:27,984 Speaker 1: they're not going to be able to invite all of 155 00:07:28,024 --> 00:07:29,904 Speaker 1: them to have them all. 156 00:07:30,104 --> 00:07:33,264 Speaker 2: It does not work, oh no, And I understand that. 157 00:07:33,384 --> 00:07:35,504 Speaker 2: My only thinking on that is is that if you 158 00:07:35,584 --> 00:07:37,664 Speaker 2: kind of look at it from a numbers perspective, is 159 00:07:37,704 --> 00:07:40,544 Speaker 2: that the idea of this is to obviously celebrate all 160 00:07:40,544 --> 00:07:43,224 Speaker 2: these amazing AUSSI TV shows, but it's also for networks 161 00:07:43,224 --> 00:07:45,504 Speaker 2: to bring all their talent out and for the people 162 00:07:45,544 --> 00:07:48,344 Speaker 2: who made Australian TV in the last year to be 163 00:07:48,424 --> 00:07:51,264 Speaker 2: the ones who are celebrated. And whether you like the 164 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:53,464 Speaker 2: show or not, like the numbers don't lie that Married 165 00:07:53,504 --> 00:07:56,104 Speaker 2: at First Sight is the biggest show in Australia while 166 00:07:56,104 --> 00:07:59,024 Speaker 2: it's on, and that's very much due to these people 167 00:07:59,384 --> 00:08:03,344 Speaker 2: putting their lives on camera, having all their antiques, marrowing strangers. 168 00:08:03,624 --> 00:08:05,944 Speaker 2: So I just think it's kind of interesting that these 169 00:08:05,944 --> 00:08:08,464 Speaker 2: are the people who brought in the biggest TV ratings, 170 00:08:08,544 --> 00:08:11,064 Speaker 2: but they're the ones, because they're not seen a prestige, 171 00:08:11,184 --> 00:08:13,264 Speaker 2: who get barred from going to the event. That's to 172 00:08:13,344 --> 00:08:15,584 Speaker 2: celebrate TV. Well, that's really interesting. 173 00:08:15,744 --> 00:08:19,224 Speaker 1: I know where you're coming from. But also, let's bear 174 00:08:19,264 --> 00:08:22,744 Speaker 1: in mind this is airing on Channel seven. Yes, so 175 00:08:23,104 --> 00:08:25,984 Speaker 1: again Channel nine. While they will have their big talent there, 176 00:08:26,024 --> 00:08:28,624 Speaker 1: they may not be allotted as many tables, Like I 177 00:08:28,624 --> 00:08:32,504 Speaker 1: don't know what the exact layout is of it each year, yeah, 178 00:08:32,544 --> 00:08:36,144 Speaker 1: but you are allotted a specific number of tables and 179 00:08:36,504 --> 00:08:38,224 Speaker 1: it's just not going. 180 00:08:38,704 --> 00:08:41,064 Speaker 2: But I even think if it was on Channel nine, 181 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:43,024 Speaker 2: I still think all of the mass casts wouldn't be 182 00:08:43,024 --> 00:08:46,144 Speaker 2: invited because I think, I mean potentially, I don't know. 183 00:08:46,224 --> 00:08:48,344 Speaker 2: I'm not in the Channel nine executive rooms, but I 184 00:08:48,384 --> 00:08:51,384 Speaker 2: just think because things blow up after the show. Contestants 185 00:08:51,384 --> 00:08:53,184 Speaker 2: like Jackie you Go Rogan say like, this is what 186 00:08:53,184 --> 00:08:55,264 Speaker 2: it's happening behind the scenes, Yeah, this is what I 187 00:08:55,304 --> 00:08:58,424 Speaker 2: saw here. They like break social media rules. So potentially 188 00:08:58,464 --> 00:09:00,904 Speaker 2: it's a way for them to rain in contestants who 189 00:09:00,984 --> 00:09:03,104 Speaker 2: might misbehave or a wait for them to like build 190 00:09:03,184 --> 00:09:05,424 Speaker 2: up relationships with people they want to keep working with, 191 00:09:05,744 --> 00:09:07,824 Speaker 2: to shut others down so they kind of move away 192 00:09:07,864 --> 00:09:10,104 Speaker 2: and don't like bad mouth the show. I don't know, 193 00:09:10,104 --> 00:09:12,344 Speaker 2: I yeah, I think it's maybe the table thing, but 194 00:09:12,384 --> 00:09:13,704 Speaker 2: I think it's more like, who do we want to 195 00:09:13,744 --> 00:09:14,784 Speaker 2: attach our name to. 196 00:09:15,024 --> 00:09:17,624 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and if you're going to call out the 197 00:09:17,664 --> 00:09:21,344 Speaker 1: show for doing all of these different things, why would 198 00:09:21,424 --> 00:09:24,224 Speaker 1: you expect to be invited to something by them at 199 00:09:24,224 --> 00:09:26,744 Speaker 1: a later day like that? To me's delusion? 200 00:09:27,064 --> 00:09:28,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know. But I also just think it's 201 00:09:28,904 --> 00:09:32,104 Speaker 2: a bit rich for some Australian like TV and film 202 00:09:32,104 --> 00:09:33,464 Speaker 2: people to be like, oh no, we don't want the 203 00:09:33,464 --> 00:09:35,424 Speaker 2: massive people here because I'll cause a stir. And I 204 00:09:35,464 --> 00:09:37,504 Speaker 2: was like, I've been to this event. I've also been 205 00:09:37,544 --> 00:09:40,304 Speaker 2: to as of you been to many like Australian film 206 00:09:40,344 --> 00:09:42,824 Speaker 2: and TV events like you guys get super rowdy as 207 00:09:42,824 --> 00:09:46,424 Speaker 2: well parties those after parties. There's a reason that no 208 00:09:46,504 --> 00:09:49,104 Speaker 2: photos come out from those. Well and not just the logis, 209 00:09:49,144 --> 00:09:52,024 Speaker 2: but like all these kind of big after parties wouldn't. 210 00:09:51,704 --> 00:09:53,264 Speaker 1: Even let me because I was a journalist. 211 00:09:53,544 --> 00:09:56,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you can't speak of what you see here. 212 00:09:56,344 --> 00:09:57,304 Speaker 2: I don't worry, I won't. 213 00:09:57,864 --> 00:09:58,704 Speaker 1: We'll talk after. 214 00:09:59,064 --> 00:10:02,664 Speaker 2: Yeah. But what I'm just saying is obviously that's any industry. 215 00:10:02,664 --> 00:10:04,344 Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is it's not like for film 216 00:10:04,384 --> 00:10:07,344 Speaker 2: and TV people sit there politely talk about their craft 217 00:10:07,384 --> 00:10:09,504 Speaker 2: and go home like it's pretty. 218 00:10:09,344 --> 00:10:12,064 Speaker 1: Loose and that's just for you and that's what I love. Also, 219 00:10:12,104 --> 00:10:15,104 Speaker 1: I love about the logis is that exactly it? It's 220 00:10:15,144 --> 00:10:16,744 Speaker 1: supposed to be kind of fun, but I. 221 00:10:16,704 --> 00:10:18,504 Speaker 2: Just don't want people sitting that their halos being like, 222 00:10:18,584 --> 00:10:21,224 Speaker 2: we would never fight with anyone. It's like, yes, you would, 223 00:10:21,264 --> 00:10:24,584 Speaker 2: we know. Anyway, the logis August third. I'm excited and 224 00:10:24,624 --> 00:10:26,984 Speaker 2: maybe there'll be some maths people outside like just trying 225 00:10:26,984 --> 00:10:28,024 Speaker 2: to slip into the event. 226 00:10:29,904 --> 00:10:33,144 Speaker 1: Now, Sydney Sweeney is kind of like she's like the 227 00:10:33,184 --> 00:10:36,304 Speaker 1: Golden Girl at the moment. Yes, you know, she's had 228 00:10:36,344 --> 00:10:40,184 Speaker 1: her rom coms. We know her from Euphoria. She's twenty 229 00:10:40,224 --> 00:10:43,104 Speaker 1: seven years old. She's kind of got this Margot Robbie 230 00:10:43,104 --> 00:10:45,944 Speaker 1: thing going for her, bit of a sex symbol. And 231 00:10:46,304 --> 00:10:49,824 Speaker 1: at the end of last year she made this commercial 232 00:10:49,864 --> 00:10:53,104 Speaker 1: with this company called doctor Squatch. Now have you seen 233 00:10:53,104 --> 00:10:53,664 Speaker 1: this commercial? 234 00:10:53,824 --> 00:10:54,064 Speaker 2: Yes? 235 00:10:54,384 --> 00:10:57,784 Speaker 1: Okay, because we made it. Should we place the audio 236 00:10:57,824 --> 00:11:01,264 Speaker 1: from this? Hello, you dirty little boys? Are you interested 237 00:11:01,304 --> 00:11:02,904 Speaker 1: in my body? Watch? 238 00:11:03,944 --> 00:11:07,384 Speaker 2: Well you can't have it because this isn't from boys, 239 00:11:07,624 --> 00:11:08,544 Speaker 2: it's from men. 240 00:11:08,904 --> 00:11:12,744 Speaker 1: So it's like very much playing into like the sexuality 241 00:11:13,104 --> 00:11:15,744 Speaker 1: of you know, Sydney Sweeney in a bath with this 242 00:11:15,864 --> 00:11:20,064 Speaker 1: bar of soap. Now, apparently there was so much excitement 243 00:11:20,064 --> 00:11:24,904 Speaker 1: after this that they're now launching a limited edition Sydney 244 00:11:25,064 --> 00:11:31,304 Speaker 1: Sweeney bathwater soap and it's called Sydney's bath Water Bliss 245 00:11:32,064 --> 00:11:35,784 Speaker 1: and it's going to be available on June sixth of 246 00:11:35,824 --> 00:11:38,744 Speaker 1: this year. Now five thousand bars only, so. 247 00:11:38,784 --> 00:11:40,544 Speaker 2: This is really limited as a limited edition. 248 00:11:40,704 --> 00:11:44,144 Speaker 1: I wonder how many baths Sydney had to take to. 249 00:11:44,184 --> 00:11:47,224 Speaker 2: Fill to fill the demand, to fill the demand. 250 00:11:47,344 --> 00:11:47,784 Speaker 1: He's the thing. 251 00:11:47,864 --> 00:11:50,664 Speaker 2: I have some questions about the logistics of this bathwater soap. 252 00:11:50,904 --> 00:11:53,984 Speaker 2: So when Sydney Sweeney put up the big introduction post 253 00:11:54,064 --> 00:11:56,744 Speaker 2: for it, she said, you kept asking about my bath 254 00:11:56,824 --> 00:12:00,104 Speaker 2: water after this ad first question, who was asking that? 255 00:12:00,664 --> 00:12:03,744 Speaker 2: She looks hot as hell like I But who's messaging 256 00:12:03,784 --> 00:12:05,624 Speaker 2: her and saying whatever happened to that bathwater? 257 00:12:06,184 --> 00:12:07,184 Speaker 1: People like that? 258 00:12:07,424 --> 00:12:10,104 Speaker 2: No I know, but I am saying like, men are gross? 259 00:12:10,384 --> 00:12:12,384 Speaker 2: Oh no, I know what men on the internet ask for. 260 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:14,264 Speaker 2: When people say like they asked for feet picks, I'm like, 261 00:12:14,304 --> 00:12:16,144 Speaker 2: that's you should be lucky that's all they asked for. 262 00:12:16,224 --> 00:12:19,624 Speaker 1: Because the escalating I have been asked for fate picks. 263 00:12:19,704 --> 00:12:21,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, but isn't that like in this day and age, 264 00:12:21,544 --> 00:12:23,384 Speaker 2: the things you could be asked for, isn't that quite? 265 00:12:23,384 --> 00:12:25,584 Speaker 2: Like sweet and lovely? Like, oh just a little foot pick, 266 00:12:25,624 --> 00:12:27,544 Speaker 2: that's fine. Things can get much. 267 00:12:27,384 --> 00:12:31,264 Speaker 1: Work, yeah, like used punters or something. 268 00:12:31,384 --> 00:12:34,264 Speaker 2: Yeah, very Look it's not always. She does have so 269 00:12:34,344 --> 00:12:36,184 Speaker 2: flippant like you've all been asking about my bath water. 270 00:12:36,224 --> 00:12:37,904 Speaker 2: It's sounded like an influencer being like you've all been 271 00:12:37,904 --> 00:12:39,624 Speaker 2: asked about my lip combo, so here it does. And 272 00:12:39,624 --> 00:12:41,184 Speaker 2: she's like, you've all been asked about my bath water, 273 00:12:41,624 --> 00:12:45,264 Speaker 2: so here it is because she's saying it's my actual bathwater. 274 00:12:45,344 --> 00:12:47,264 Speaker 2: But my thought was for a second, like is she 275 00:12:47,304 --> 00:12:50,064 Speaker 2: saying it's the bath water from the actual ad? Because 276 00:12:50,064 --> 00:12:51,184 Speaker 2: I'm like, who the hell kept that? 277 00:12:51,464 --> 00:12:54,464 Speaker 1: No, I think she's just like I don't actually think 278 00:12:54,464 --> 00:12:55,904 Speaker 1: she's taking a bath in it to. 279 00:12:55,904 --> 00:12:58,704 Speaker 2: Be I don't think she has either. Don't Sidney Swingy 280 00:12:58,704 --> 00:12:59,064 Speaker 2: a liar? 281 00:12:59,224 --> 00:13:02,944 Speaker 1: But I but I believe she's She's like, I doubt it. 282 00:13:02,944 --> 00:13:05,504 Speaker 1: It's a marketing thing, it's a par thing. It's just 283 00:13:06,184 --> 00:13:08,544 Speaker 1: I think it's tongue in cheek. It's playing on her 284 00:13:08,624 --> 00:13:12,064 Speaker 1: sex symbol vibe, and she's obviously being paid a lot 285 00:13:12,144 --> 00:13:16,224 Speaker 1: of money by this company by Doctor Squatch, which every 286 00:13:16,264 --> 00:13:18,784 Speaker 1: time I read it, I keep thinking of doctor Snatch 287 00:13:18,864 --> 00:13:19,544 Speaker 1: for some reason. 288 00:13:19,664 --> 00:13:21,984 Speaker 2: Oh, it's if you think of a sasquatch, my favorite. 289 00:13:21,664 --> 00:13:26,704 Speaker 1: Creature, which is an interesting They double on tundra their 290 00:13:26,784 --> 00:13:29,584 Speaker 1: doctor Snatch, doctor Squatch. I don't know if we're allowed 291 00:13:29,624 --> 00:13:30,064 Speaker 1: to put that in. 292 00:13:31,024 --> 00:13:34,424 Speaker 2: That's a bit. So she's basically saying that she sat 293 00:13:34,624 --> 00:13:36,384 Speaker 2: in the bath water. She's a busy lady, probably had 294 00:13:36,384 --> 00:13:39,344 Speaker 2: her laptop, she was answering emails. She's saying, they've scooped 295 00:13:39,384 --> 00:13:41,664 Speaker 2: all the bath water out and packaged it up into 296 00:13:41,664 --> 00:13:42,544 Speaker 2: this soap. Is that right? 297 00:13:42,784 --> 00:13:45,304 Speaker 1: Yes? And it's you know, got some cocoa butter in there, 298 00:13:45,384 --> 00:13:48,144 Speaker 1: at the things in there, and I mean infect it, 299 00:13:48,184 --> 00:13:51,024 Speaker 1: throwing a bit of cocoa butter and fine, anything to 300 00:13:51,144 --> 00:13:54,264 Speaker 1: make a man bathe. At this point, like this is 301 00:13:54,424 --> 00:13:56,704 Speaker 1: kind of where this conversation is going, and a lot 302 00:13:56,784 --> 00:14:00,064 Speaker 1: of the comments are like, really, is this where we're at? 303 00:14:00,104 --> 00:14:00,744 Speaker 1: Like is this? 304 00:14:01,224 --> 00:14:03,384 Speaker 2: Oh my god? Let the girl sellow bathwater. It's fine. 305 00:14:03,504 --> 00:14:04,824 Speaker 2: She has to put it with creepy meat and her 306 00:14:04,904 --> 00:14:07,024 Speaker 2: dam's asking for weird stuff. She might as well make 307 00:14:07,064 --> 00:14:07,624 Speaker 2: some money off it. 308 00:14:07,744 --> 00:14:10,104 Speaker 1: So that the interesting thing is so it's been limited 309 00:14:10,104 --> 00:14:13,864 Speaker 1: to five thousand bars only and purchases must be eighteen 310 00:14:13,944 --> 00:14:18,024 Speaker 1: years older to buy. Oh that's clever, which I find 311 00:14:18,144 --> 00:14:19,824 Speaker 1: kind of creepy. It feels a bit o. 312 00:14:20,624 --> 00:14:22,584 Speaker 2: No, I know, but I think that's making it all 313 00:14:22,664 --> 00:14:24,544 Speaker 2: sound because I think we can safely go ahead and 314 00:14:24,624 --> 00:14:27,904 Speaker 2: say that these soaps do not contain any Sydney Sweeney bathway. 315 00:14:28,104 --> 00:14:30,664 Speaker 1: But you there's like a day claim we're on the bottom. 316 00:14:30,384 --> 00:14:32,824 Speaker 2: And if it does by the time you, I'm gonna 317 00:14:32,824 --> 00:14:33,864 Speaker 2: go out and alive here and say, I don't know 318 00:14:33,864 --> 00:14:35,984 Speaker 2: how you make soap, but I'm assuming there's some sort 319 00:14:36,024 --> 00:14:38,744 Speaker 2: of boiling, some sort of stirring that it has to cool. 320 00:14:39,184 --> 00:14:41,544 Speaker 2: All that sort of stuff. Any of her actual like 321 00:14:41,744 --> 00:14:44,384 Speaker 2: essence has been like boiled away in the making of 322 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:46,664 Speaker 2: the soap, so it's just regular soap at this stage. 323 00:14:46,664 --> 00:14:49,504 Speaker 2: But putting the eighteen plus disclaimer on it just makes 324 00:14:49,544 --> 00:14:51,704 Speaker 2: it feel a bit more erotic and sexy. It's such 325 00:14:51,744 --> 00:14:54,744 Speaker 2: good marketing. It reminds me of like the recent episode 326 00:14:54,784 --> 00:14:56,104 Speaker 2: you and I did, what we talked about the Kim 327 00:14:56,144 --> 00:14:59,304 Speaker 2: Kardashian pier snipple bra and the idea of that is 328 00:14:59,304 --> 00:15:01,664 Speaker 2: like they're not making money off the Pier Snipple Bra. 329 00:15:01,824 --> 00:15:03,664 Speaker 2: It's all just a bit of extra promo for all 330 00:15:03,704 --> 00:15:06,184 Speaker 2: the other stuff they sell, So they're hoping that people 331 00:15:06,224 --> 00:15:09,464 Speaker 2: who can't get this particular soap will just buy things 332 00:15:09,464 --> 00:15:12,584 Speaker 2: from this brand because it's adjacent to her sexy soap. 333 00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:15,424 Speaker 1: Look, I get that bag, honey. I'm sure she got 334 00:15:15,464 --> 00:15:17,344 Speaker 1: paid in absolute motter for it. 335 00:15:17,624 --> 00:15:19,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's leaning and she knows what she's doing. 336 00:15:19,744 --> 00:15:21,864 Speaker 2: She's leaning in. Can I just say, I freaking would 337 00:15:21,904 --> 00:15:24,024 Speaker 2: love some of that soap, just to see that's a 338 00:15:24,024 --> 00:15:26,184 Speaker 2: pr package. I'd be very excited about. You look qrrified. 339 00:15:26,464 --> 00:15:29,264 Speaker 1: I Like, I'm not really sound interested. 340 00:15:28,944 --> 00:15:30,144 Speaker 2: In, you know, want to see it. 341 00:15:30,144 --> 00:15:32,824 Speaker 1: I'm more interesting it is Nipplebra to be honest. 342 00:15:32,904 --> 00:15:34,224 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I would have loved that as well. 343 00:15:34,344 --> 00:15:36,264 Speaker 2: But I'm not on the skims pr list, nor am 344 00:15:36,304 --> 00:15:41,464 Speaker 2: I on the Doctor Snatch Doctor Scotch list. No one's 345 00:15:41,464 --> 00:15:43,504 Speaker 2: sending me anything, so that's a bit sad. But I 346 00:15:43,584 --> 00:15:44,224 Speaker 2: love to see it. 347 00:15:44,984 --> 00:15:48,544 Speaker 1: But the interesting conversation here is there has been a 348 00:15:48,584 --> 00:15:52,224 Speaker 1: little bit of conversation about Sydney Sweeney getting upset about 349 00:15:52,224 --> 00:15:57,904 Speaker 1: her over sexualization in Hollywood, which you know she's doing this, 350 00:15:58,024 --> 00:16:02,224 Speaker 1: which is obviously very geared, very heavily towards men and 351 00:16:02,264 --> 00:16:04,544 Speaker 1: the men that idolize her and see her as this 352 00:16:04,664 --> 00:16:07,984 Speaker 1: sex symbol. So she's leaning into that, but then also 353 00:16:08,064 --> 00:16:10,824 Speaker 1: criticizing the fact that people don't take her so seriously 354 00:16:10,904 --> 00:16:13,984 Speaker 1: as a producer. So there's that kind of Christism, which 355 00:16:14,024 --> 00:16:19,224 Speaker 1: I understand. However, that woman is well within her rights 356 00:16:19,304 --> 00:16:23,024 Speaker 1: to do whatever the hell she wants. Like, let's look 357 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:25,704 Speaker 1: at someone like Margot Robbie. I made this comparison before, 358 00:16:25,784 --> 00:16:29,064 Speaker 1: but you know, Margot Robbie was full frontal nude in 359 00:16:29,144 --> 00:16:31,384 Speaker 1: The Wolf of Wall Street and then she did, you know, 360 00:16:31,464 --> 00:16:33,144 Speaker 1: in the Big Short. She was in that bar, and 361 00:16:33,264 --> 00:16:36,144 Speaker 1: let's let Margot Robbie explain to you. Yeah, and has 362 00:16:36,184 --> 00:16:40,224 Speaker 1: then gone on using all of that to produce and 363 00:16:40,624 --> 00:16:44,024 Speaker 1: you know, star in some really wonderful movies, like including 364 00:16:44,064 --> 00:16:49,424 Speaker 1: a Tania Like she's used that to her advantage. And 365 00:16:49,504 --> 00:16:52,824 Speaker 1: I think that is kind of what Sidney Sweeney is 366 00:16:52,824 --> 00:16:56,264 Speaker 1: doing now, because I think producing is really her next 367 00:16:56,664 --> 00:17:00,904 Speaker 1: big goal. And she's saying that a lot of the 368 00:17:01,024 --> 00:17:05,224 Speaker 1: negativity that she receives is from women in Hollywood. And 369 00:17:05,424 --> 00:17:08,824 Speaker 1: what I think she's referencing particularly here is this producer 370 00:17:08,864 --> 00:17:12,224 Speaker 1: called Carol Baum, who made this remark about her about 371 00:17:12,264 --> 00:17:16,264 Speaker 1: a year ago. She teaches a producing class at USC 372 00:17:16,504 --> 00:17:19,184 Speaker 1: School of Cinematic Arts, and she added, I said to 373 00:17:19,224 --> 00:17:21,744 Speaker 1: my class, explain this girl to me. She's not pretty, 374 00:17:21,784 --> 00:17:25,984 Speaker 1: she can't act. Why is she so hot? And Carabaum 375 00:17:26,144 --> 00:17:30,824 Speaker 1: is an older producer, older woman, it kind of feels 376 00:17:30,864 --> 00:17:34,784 Speaker 1: a little bit like it's not really necessary to pull 377 00:17:34,904 --> 00:17:38,904 Speaker 1: down Sydney. It feels like attack me, Like she doesn't 378 00:17:38,904 --> 00:17:41,304 Speaker 1: need to be attacking her. Yeah, and I think I 379 00:17:41,504 --> 00:17:43,784 Speaker 1: understand that. I feel like that's kind of where she's 380 00:17:43,824 --> 00:17:47,024 Speaker 1: getting that from, is that people don't take her seriously 381 00:17:47,064 --> 00:17:49,984 Speaker 1: because she does these things. But maybe this is a 382 00:17:50,024 --> 00:17:53,184 Speaker 1: calculated move. I'm going to be doing this so so 383 00:17:53,224 --> 00:17:57,104 Speaker 1: that I can go produce and executive produce the movies 384 00:17:57,384 --> 00:17:59,424 Speaker 1: and projects that I want to do. 385 00:17:59,864 --> 00:18:02,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, It's an interesting thing with these like women in 386 00:18:02,664 --> 00:18:06,904 Speaker 2: Hollywood who are very conventionally attractive and beautiful but also 387 00:18:07,024 --> 00:18:08,984 Speaker 2: have this idea of like wanting to build their own 388 00:18:08,984 --> 00:18:11,424 Speaker 2: business within it, and how they it's almost like they 389 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,584 Speaker 2: sort of take from both sides in a way that 390 00:18:13,584 --> 00:18:16,304 Speaker 2: they're like very welcome to do it. Of course you would, 391 00:18:16,584 --> 00:18:18,704 Speaker 2: but it is an interesting one Margot Robbie have always 392 00:18:18,704 --> 00:18:21,624 Speaker 2: found interesting because there's a few actresses like i'd say Margo, 393 00:18:21,744 --> 00:18:24,024 Speaker 2: Robbie and Reese with this certain in particular come to 394 00:18:24,064 --> 00:18:26,984 Speaker 2: mind of women who have this very public persona as 395 00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:29,744 Speaker 2: like these beautiful, bubbly blondes who always look gorgeous on 396 00:18:29,744 --> 00:18:32,464 Speaker 2: a red carpet, but have gone into their career very 397 00:18:32,544 --> 00:18:35,744 Speaker 2: like business orientated. And I think for Margo Robbie, like 398 00:18:35,984 --> 00:18:37,824 Speaker 2: she always kind of has the last laugh in that 399 00:18:37,904 --> 00:18:40,664 Speaker 2: sense of like everyone was shitting on her for or 400 00:18:40,744 --> 00:18:43,864 Speaker 2: her chanel looks during awards seasons and things. But the 401 00:18:43,904 --> 00:18:46,824 Speaker 2: reason that she signs those big fashion contracts is because 402 00:18:46,864 --> 00:18:48,904 Speaker 2: she knows that she's going to be photographed on a 403 00:18:48,944 --> 00:18:51,744 Speaker 2: red carpet regardless, and she's going to get those headlines, 404 00:18:51,784 --> 00:18:54,384 Speaker 2: so she doesn't need to always have those big fashion moments. 405 00:18:54,584 --> 00:18:57,184 Speaker 2: But she took all that money and started her production company, 406 00:18:57,544 --> 00:19:00,064 Speaker 2: and then I find also like the projects that she 407 00:19:00,184 --> 00:19:03,504 Speaker 2: picks are very commercially minded, so like Saltburn, people at 408 00:19:03,504 --> 00:19:05,904 Speaker 2: like Margo Robbie hood produce that and obviously not the 409 00:19:05,944 --> 00:19:09,624 Speaker 2: most critically acclaimed movie, but very buzzy, very audience friendly 410 00:19:10,104 --> 00:19:12,664 Speaker 2: Bar that she produced was one of those ones where 411 00:19:12,704 --> 00:19:15,064 Speaker 2: it was both critically friendly and audience friendly, but at 412 00:19:15,064 --> 00:19:16,744 Speaker 2: the end of the day, it was about bringing people 413 00:19:16,744 --> 00:19:18,784 Speaker 2: into the cinema and like getting their money and even 414 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:20,864 Speaker 2: Sirens that we talked about last week with the really 415 00:19:20,864 --> 00:19:23,504 Speaker 2: honest review on Netflix, like Margo Robbie produced that she's 416 00:19:23,584 --> 00:19:26,664 Speaker 2: so smart. But at the same time, it's that idea 417 00:19:26,664 --> 00:19:28,624 Speaker 2: of like you kind of get a seat at the 418 00:19:28,624 --> 00:19:31,144 Speaker 2: table almost to get in these acting roles, which then 419 00:19:31,184 --> 00:19:34,064 Speaker 2: gives you the cachet to have these big production roles 420 00:19:34,384 --> 00:19:36,264 Speaker 2: because of how you look. And I think that's the 421 00:19:36,344 --> 00:19:38,064 Speaker 2: kind of interesting thing with Sidney Sweeney. 422 00:19:38,304 --> 00:19:42,504 Speaker 1: It's almost like she's using her sexuality and her beauty 423 00:19:42,544 --> 00:19:46,064 Speaker 1: and youth to get that seat at the table. But 424 00:19:46,144 --> 00:19:50,344 Speaker 1: that does not mean that she is stupid or doesn't 425 00:19:50,384 --> 00:19:51,424 Speaker 1: have a long term plan. 426 00:19:51,624 --> 00:19:53,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's into I don't know, I'm 427 00:19:53,624 --> 00:19:56,304 Speaker 2: a little fatigued with this conversation that's popped up over 428 00:19:56,304 --> 00:19:58,704 Speaker 2: the last couple of years around like this idea that 429 00:19:58,704 --> 00:20:02,144 Speaker 2: pretty women get held back, because the thing is you 430 00:20:02,384 --> 00:20:04,864 Speaker 2: not necessarily getting held back because you wouldn't have been 431 00:20:04,904 --> 00:20:06,624 Speaker 2: And this is obviously awful and I wish the world 432 00:20:06,624 --> 00:20:09,184 Speaker 2: didn't work this way. But it's like, you wouldn't be 433 00:20:09,224 --> 00:20:11,464 Speaker 2: on these TV shows if you didn't look a certain way. 434 00:20:11,864 --> 00:20:14,064 Speaker 2: You wouldn't be getting these big fashion contracts, in these 435 00:20:14,064 --> 00:20:16,624 Speaker 2: bathwater contracts if you didn't look a certain way. So 436 00:20:16,664 --> 00:20:18,624 Speaker 2: I'm kind of like, I feel like my attention is 437 00:20:18,744 --> 00:20:21,104 Speaker 2: going to be a little less on women who are 438 00:20:21,144 --> 00:20:23,544 Speaker 2: complaining that they have all this power and success, but 439 00:20:23,584 --> 00:20:25,944 Speaker 2: it's been a bit harder because they're beautiful, and instead 440 00:20:25,944 --> 00:20:27,784 Speaker 2: thinking about the women who didn't even get us seat 441 00:20:27,784 --> 00:20:30,064 Speaker 2: at the table because they don't look a certain way. 442 00:20:30,184 --> 00:20:31,424 Speaker 2: But again, I know that's a lot to put on 443 00:20:31,424 --> 00:20:33,584 Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney. And again, the reason she's asked is that 444 00:20:33,624 --> 00:20:36,344 Speaker 2: she did this big Sunday Times profile recently where she 445 00:20:36,424 --> 00:20:39,024 Speaker 2: was asked about a huge amount of things. She confirmed 446 00:20:39,024 --> 00:20:41,864 Speaker 2: that she's single, her relationship has broken up, which I 447 00:20:41,864 --> 00:20:43,944 Speaker 2: don't know. She seems very footloose in fancy free. I 448 00:20:43,984 --> 00:20:45,624 Speaker 2: like that for her as just saying she's only twenty seven, 449 00:20:45,624 --> 00:20:46,424 Speaker 2: which is crazy and. 450 00:20:46,384 --> 00:20:48,664 Speaker 1: He was forty one. Yeah, again one of these age 451 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:51,704 Speaker 1: gap relationships. Again, but like you're twenty seven, it's fine. 452 00:20:51,824 --> 00:20:53,864 Speaker 2: I know. The only kind of thing is I started. 453 00:20:53,624 --> 00:20:56,824 Speaker 1: Twenty When did I get married? I got married at 454 00:20:56,824 --> 00:20:57,424 Speaker 1: twenty six. 455 00:20:57,984 --> 00:21:00,064 Speaker 2: I think that's okay, that's not a bad thing. 456 00:21:00,344 --> 00:21:01,784 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that's quite young. 457 00:21:02,104 --> 00:21:04,664 Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, I guess now, well, people just live, like 458 00:21:04,824 --> 00:21:06,864 Speaker 2: I guess, different lifestyles. But I think you're okay. 459 00:21:06,904 --> 00:21:09,944 Speaker 1: I know. I mean, we've been together for like sixteen years. 460 00:21:10,184 --> 00:21:11,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we'll give you guys a pass. But 461 00:21:11,824 --> 00:21:13,864 Speaker 2: I went to a friend's wedding the day and she's 462 00:21:13,904 --> 00:21:15,184 Speaker 2: thirty four, and she's like, I feel like I'm a 463 00:21:15,224 --> 00:21:17,224 Speaker 2: child bride. I'm like, you are. This is so I 464 00:21:17,264 --> 00:21:20,984 Speaker 2: was like, if you thought this through, this feels really rush. 465 00:21:21,064 --> 00:21:23,624 Speaker 2: But anyway, in this same interview, because she gave those 466 00:21:23,624 --> 00:21:26,504 Speaker 2: comments to Vanity Fair over a year ago, after that 467 00:21:26,544 --> 00:21:29,104 Speaker 2: whole thing about the professor, who I should say, did 468 00:21:29,144 --> 00:21:31,144 Speaker 2: apologize those cities, Yes she did. 469 00:21:31,224 --> 00:21:31,664 Speaker 1: She did. 470 00:21:31,864 --> 00:21:34,024 Speaker 2: She said like they were obviously awful, saying that she 471 00:21:34,184 --> 00:21:37,024 Speaker 2: wasn't attractive or talented. But so I'm not giving her 472 00:21:37,064 --> 00:21:39,224 Speaker 2: a pass. But she said them like in a closed 473 00:21:39,344 --> 00:21:41,944 Speaker 2: room when she was giving a speech at a film event, 474 00:21:42,024 --> 00:21:43,624 Speaker 2: and I don't think she thought they would go as 475 00:21:43,664 --> 00:21:46,544 Speaker 2: global as they did. So then Sidney Sweeney did her 476 00:21:46,584 --> 00:21:49,224 Speaker 2: Vanity Fair piece and was asked about that, and she 477 00:21:49,384 --> 00:21:51,864 Speaker 2: basically said, like, I know there's this big story about 478 00:21:51,864 --> 00:21:54,704 Speaker 2: women in Hollywood supporting each other and being there for 479 00:21:54,784 --> 00:21:58,064 Speaker 2: each other, but that has absolutely not been my experience. 480 00:21:58,144 --> 00:22:00,104 Speaker 2: And a lot of actresses came out after that and 481 00:22:00,144 --> 00:22:03,104 Speaker 2: said that maybe she just hasn't experienced the right thing, 482 00:22:03,304 --> 00:22:06,144 Speaker 2: or that's not their experience. And I remember when I 483 00:22:06,184 --> 00:22:08,904 Speaker 2: interviewed Teresa Palmer for No Filter. I asked her about 484 00:22:08,944 --> 00:22:11,984 Speaker 2: it because she's a big kind of champion female friendships 485 00:22:12,064 --> 00:22:14,104 Speaker 2: behind the scenes in Hollywood all that sort of stuff, 486 00:22:14,184 --> 00:22:16,704 Speaker 2: and she was so visibly shocked. I could barely even 487 00:22:16,784 --> 00:22:19,584 Speaker 2: keep asking her about it. She was like, really taken aback. 488 00:22:19,944 --> 00:22:24,864 Speaker 1: Theresa Palmava is a very special person though she gives 489 00:22:24,904 --> 00:22:28,744 Speaker 1: off the most positive, beautiful vibes, and absolutely I think 490 00:22:28,784 --> 00:22:31,784 Speaker 1: she really is a champion for women. And I do 491 00:22:32,064 --> 00:22:37,424 Speaker 1: think that environmentally, it depends on the environment. Like if 492 00:22:37,424 --> 00:22:41,624 Speaker 1: you think about the classic like media office or like 493 00:22:41,744 --> 00:22:44,224 Speaker 1: magazine office, where there was like it was really caddy, 494 00:22:44,344 --> 00:22:47,064 Speaker 1: whereas and here I'm going to plug MoMA Maya. Here, 495 00:22:47,744 --> 00:22:51,464 Speaker 1: everybody's so freaking nice here, like it's all women and 496 00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:54,584 Speaker 1: everybody is so lovely and supportive, And I really do 497 00:22:54,624 --> 00:22:56,424 Speaker 1: think it's about the environment and the people that you 498 00:22:56,424 --> 00:22:59,904 Speaker 1: surround yourself with. And I think maybe she's had people 499 00:23:00,504 --> 00:23:04,064 Speaker 1: who have been jealous of her and have made it 500 00:23:04,104 --> 00:23:07,544 Speaker 1: hard for her. But yes, obviously she's got pretty privilege 501 00:23:07,544 --> 00:23:08,664 Speaker 1: and she's gorgeous and. 502 00:23:08,904 --> 00:23:11,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I don't I don't know, like it's 503 00:23:11,224 --> 00:23:13,504 Speaker 2: hard because I think maybe those two threads are separate. 504 00:23:13,504 --> 00:23:15,624 Speaker 2: Where she talks about being over sexualized, I think that's 505 00:23:15,664 --> 00:23:18,224 Speaker 2: almost kind of one thing, and then when she's talking 506 00:23:18,224 --> 00:23:20,824 Speaker 2: about women in Hollywood not being supportive and when behind 507 00:23:20,824 --> 00:23:23,304 Speaker 2: the scenes that's another, because that'd sanity fair thing. It's 508 00:23:23,424 --> 00:23:25,104 Speaker 2: interesting because that was a while ago and there was 509 00:23:25,184 --> 00:23:27,184 Speaker 2: a big kind of blow up around it, and I 510 00:23:27,224 --> 00:23:28,904 Speaker 2: thought at the time it was brave of her to say, 511 00:23:28,944 --> 00:23:31,584 Speaker 2: because that is, like, if Hollywood's a company, like, that's 512 00:23:31,624 --> 00:23:34,184 Speaker 2: not towing the company line, because everyone in Hollywood is like, 513 00:23:34,224 --> 00:23:36,104 Speaker 2: women support each other, we do this, we do that. 514 00:23:36,184 --> 00:23:39,184 Speaker 2: And so for someone who's like very powerful but still 515 00:23:39,224 --> 00:23:41,504 Speaker 2: coming up in the ranks to say that's not the case, 516 00:23:41,544 --> 00:23:43,744 Speaker 2: I thought it was quite brave. And then also to 517 00:23:43,864 --> 00:23:46,504 Speaker 2: double down on it again because in this Sunday Times 518 00:23:46,584 --> 00:23:48,624 Speaker 2: interview that's only been released in over the last couple 519 00:23:48,704 --> 00:23:51,464 Speaker 2: of days, she said that she wants to be taken 520 00:23:51,504 --> 00:23:54,144 Speaker 2: really seriously, she wants to be in the room, and 521 00:23:54,224 --> 00:23:55,944 Speaker 2: she has a really difficult time with that. And this 522 00:23:56,024 --> 00:23:57,984 Speaker 2: is a direct quote from her article where she says, 523 00:23:58,024 --> 00:24:00,584 Speaker 2: to be honest, I always find that it's women who 524 00:24:00,584 --> 00:24:02,784 Speaker 2: give me the hardest time. And she said that it 525 00:24:02,824 --> 00:24:06,664 Speaker 2: happens in the boardroom, at auditions and on sets, and 526 00:24:06,744 --> 00:24:08,464 Speaker 2: she's like, I see it all the time. They don't 527 00:24:08,504 --> 00:24:11,064 Speaker 2: think I'm right for the role because Cassie, who's her 528 00:24:11,144 --> 00:24:14,304 Speaker 2: character in Euphoria, was very sexualized, and that puts a 529 00:24:14,344 --> 00:24:16,824 Speaker 2: wall up for people, and I'm always having to explain 530 00:24:16,824 --> 00:24:17,784 Speaker 2: to them that I'm an actor. 531 00:24:18,224 --> 00:24:22,024 Speaker 1: I mean, how many actors actresses have been typecast? 532 00:24:22,664 --> 00:24:23,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 533 00:24:23,864 --> 00:24:27,144 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's unusual. I think it's sometimes 534 00:24:27,504 --> 00:24:30,704 Speaker 1: is very difficult for people to see, especially in a 535 00:24:30,784 --> 00:24:35,304 Speaker 1: role as iconic as what Cassie's role was in Euphoria, 536 00:24:36,104 --> 00:24:37,664 Speaker 1: despite the fact that these are supposed to be the 537 00:24:37,664 --> 00:24:41,384 Speaker 1: most creative minds in Hollywood. Sometimes they just can't see 538 00:24:41,424 --> 00:24:45,944 Speaker 1: past that. Yeah, So I understand that to a certain extent. 539 00:24:46,424 --> 00:24:49,664 Speaker 1: I really do. I actually think she's got a huge 540 00:24:49,664 --> 00:24:53,304 Speaker 1: future ahead of her. I think she's smart. I think 541 00:24:53,344 --> 00:24:56,104 Speaker 1: she's funny. I think she's had fun with this doctor 542 00:24:56,104 --> 00:25:01,544 Speaker 1: Squatch soap thing. You know, she's dropped her engagement. Like 543 00:25:01,744 --> 00:25:04,064 Speaker 1: she's got a number of really great movies coming up. 544 00:25:04,864 --> 00:25:08,624 Speaker 1: She's producing, executive producing. I think that she's got a 545 00:25:08,704 --> 00:25:10,304 Speaker 1: really big future. 546 00:25:10,544 --> 00:25:13,504 Speaker 2: She's so when you hear her speak, so it's obviously 547 00:25:13,504 --> 00:25:15,024 Speaker 2: I don't know her, so I don't know. So it's 548 00:25:15,064 --> 00:25:17,664 Speaker 2: either that she's very calculated or she's got a team 549 00:25:17,704 --> 00:25:20,064 Speaker 2: around her that's very calculated, and she listens to them 550 00:25:20,184 --> 00:25:22,504 Speaker 2: because I just love listening to her speak how everything 551 00:25:22,584 --> 00:25:25,144 Speaker 2: leads to something else. Like she'll say, yes, I know 552 00:25:25,224 --> 00:25:28,064 Speaker 2: Madam Webb was bad, but I made that movie so 553 00:25:28,104 --> 00:25:30,464 Speaker 2: the company would make Immaculate, which was the horror film 554 00:25:30,544 --> 00:25:32,864 Speaker 2: she wanted to produce and star in. And then like 555 00:25:32,904 --> 00:25:34,824 Speaker 2: someone will make a joke about her selling her Bathward 556 00:25:34,824 --> 00:25:37,024 Speaker 2: and she'll be like, yes, but it'll fund this other movie. 557 00:25:37,104 --> 00:25:39,904 Speaker 2: And then she got a lot of backlash for anyone 558 00:25:39,904 --> 00:25:41,824 Speaker 2: but you pressed to her, which was like her kind 559 00:25:41,824 --> 00:25:44,704 Speaker 2: of brainchild of her and Glen Powell pretending they're together, 560 00:25:44,744 --> 00:25:47,664 Speaker 2: obviously not being together, but her thinking on that was 561 00:25:47,704 --> 00:25:49,464 Speaker 2: like yeah, we pretend to be together. And then my 562 00:25:49,544 --> 00:25:52,544 Speaker 2: company who produced that movie made a huge amount of money, 563 00:25:52,904 --> 00:25:55,624 Speaker 2: and so she's very I. 564 00:25:55,664 --> 00:25:59,344 Speaker 1: Really hated that movie. I really like her and Glenn Powell. 565 00:25:59,584 --> 00:26:01,264 Speaker 1: I think that it's not a great movie, but I 566 00:26:01,464 --> 00:26:04,384 Speaker 1: like she couldn't finish it. Oh really, I thought it 567 00:26:04,424 --> 00:26:04,904 Speaker 1: was really well. 568 00:26:04,904 --> 00:26:06,504 Speaker 2: I would love to see them in something else. I 569 00:26:06,504 --> 00:26:08,464 Speaker 2: think that movie did a little bit of a disservice 570 00:26:08,544 --> 00:26:10,224 Speaker 2: to them as act. 571 00:26:10,824 --> 00:26:14,184 Speaker 1: It's not it was not good acting. Unfortunately, she can act, 572 00:26:14,304 --> 00:26:15,784 Speaker 1: she absolutely can. 573 00:26:15,984 --> 00:26:17,304 Speaker 2: Like I think she was too busy Do you think 574 00:26:17,344 --> 00:26:21,904 Speaker 2: she's just too busy producing? She forgot her character changes 575 00:26:21,984 --> 00:26:22,864 Speaker 2: like halfway through with. 576 00:26:22,824 --> 00:26:25,784 Speaker 1: The explanation, But again we're not talking about that. 577 00:26:25,824 --> 00:26:28,744 Speaker 2: But business very calculated. But she must be calculated enough 578 00:26:28,784 --> 00:26:31,344 Speaker 2: to know that she but putting this information out there 579 00:26:32,184 --> 00:26:34,304 Speaker 2: is not going to hurt her in a way or 580 00:26:34,344 --> 00:26:36,544 Speaker 2: potentially she's just because I know, like it can be 581 00:26:36,584 --> 00:26:38,264 Speaker 2: a bit of a red flag when you hear a 582 00:26:38,304 --> 00:26:40,904 Speaker 2: girl say that women are hard to work with. Women 583 00:26:40,904 --> 00:26:42,744 Speaker 2: are this? I don't like that, like all of a sudden, 584 00:26:42,824 --> 00:26:44,664 Speaker 2: like I think like we're kind of geared to like 585 00:26:44,744 --> 00:26:46,624 Speaker 2: our own red flags go up, and you're like will 586 00:26:46,704 --> 00:26:48,744 Speaker 2: you sound like the problem. Yeah, you sound like a 587 00:26:48,784 --> 00:26:51,424 Speaker 2: pick me gu Yeah, exactly, this idea so like, that's 588 00:26:51,464 --> 00:26:53,944 Speaker 2: my first thought when when I read these comments from 589 00:26:53,984 --> 00:26:55,944 Speaker 2: Sydney Sweening saying that women are the ones who give 590 00:26:55,984 --> 00:26:58,944 Speaker 2: her the hardest time and that this sisterhood in Hollywood 591 00:26:58,984 --> 00:27:01,464 Speaker 2: doesn't exist. But I also just think she's been in 592 00:27:01,504 --> 00:27:04,704 Speaker 2: the trenches for a while. Something must have happened, something 593 00:27:04,784 --> 00:27:07,464 Speaker 2: must have been her experience that's hit her so hard 594 00:27:07,784 --> 00:27:09,824 Speaker 2: that she thinks it's worth it to go out in 595 00:27:09,824 --> 00:27:12,824 Speaker 2: these interview and given unpopular opinion, it's my only thought. 596 00:27:13,024 --> 00:27:15,584 Speaker 1: Look, I've been in this industry since I was about 597 00:27:15,584 --> 00:27:20,944 Speaker 1: twenty four, modeling before that, and I can save the 598 00:27:20,984 --> 00:27:24,144 Speaker 1: times that I have had really difficult experiences. I would 599 00:27:24,184 --> 00:27:27,464 Speaker 1: say a lot of it has been older women as well. Yeah, 600 00:27:27,504 --> 00:27:32,944 Speaker 1: so I don't think it's that unusual a thing to happen. 601 00:27:33,064 --> 00:27:36,024 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, it just become unpopular to say because it 602 00:27:36,024 --> 00:27:39,584 Speaker 2: doesn't suit the girlhood women together, so still a band try. 603 00:27:39,584 --> 00:27:41,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then people got aholding into jealous. It's like 604 00:27:41,544 --> 00:27:44,664 Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of things. But I don't doubt 605 00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:47,344 Speaker 1: that she's had women in her life who have not 606 00:27:47,664 --> 00:27:51,664 Speaker 1: been supportive of her. But we cannot generalize that everyone's 607 00:27:51,824 --> 00:27:55,664 Speaker 1: like that, because I know that there are some great, supportive, 608 00:27:55,784 --> 00:28:00,304 Speaker 1: wonderful women, one of whom is sitting rights today. We 609 00:28:00,384 --> 00:28:03,944 Speaker 1: might hu, guys, there's two big mics in the way, 610 00:28:04,024 --> 00:28:05,864 Speaker 1: but my laptop. I can't get up right now. 611 00:28:06,664 --> 00:28:09,264 Speaker 2: That's all right. Physical affection can wait till afterwards. I 612 00:28:09,264 --> 00:28:10,944 Speaker 2: don't think she's got a huge amount backlash to this, 613 00:28:10,984 --> 00:28:12,664 Speaker 2: so I think it's fine. I just do hope that 614 00:28:12,704 --> 00:28:15,424 Speaker 2: like these waves that come after she does her interviews 615 00:28:15,464 --> 00:28:18,144 Speaker 2: don't knock this like truth telling out of hers. I've 616 00:28:18,144 --> 00:28:19,744 Speaker 2: got to say, even if I don't always agree with 617 00:28:19,784 --> 00:28:21,824 Speaker 2: what she says, I just want it so refreshing to 618 00:28:21,864 --> 00:28:25,144 Speaker 2: hear someone who I actually feel like, yeah, it's being 619 00:28:25,184 --> 00:28:27,784 Speaker 2: really honest, is not overly worried about how the industry 620 00:28:27,824 --> 00:28:30,304 Speaker 2: is going to perceive her, and just actually says what's happening. 621 00:28:30,624 --> 00:28:33,264 Speaker 2: That's so rare nowadays with how media trained everyone is. 622 00:28:33,664 --> 00:28:35,864 Speaker 1: Yes, I love I love someone who will just like 623 00:28:36,264 --> 00:28:37,304 Speaker 1: tell it like it is. 624 00:28:37,504 --> 00:28:39,904 Speaker 2: Yes, keep doing what you're doing, Sidney Suaiting, Well, we'll 625 00:28:39,944 --> 00:28:41,864 Speaker 2: link her full interview in the Sunday Times in the 626 00:28:41,904 --> 00:28:43,384 Speaker 2: show notes so you can have a full read and 627 00:28:43,424 --> 00:28:45,864 Speaker 2: see what she has to say about women in Hollywood 628 00:28:46,384 --> 00:28:49,024 Speaker 2: and breaking up her engagement. 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