1 00:00:10,745 --> 00:00:15,265 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mamma Mia podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,345 --> 00:00:18,385 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,465 --> 00:00:21,105 Speaker 1: is recorded on Hey you bis, I've got a question 4 00:00:21,185 --> 00:00:23,705 Speaker 1: for you. Have you ever loved an outfit in a 5 00:00:23,745 --> 00:00:27,665 Speaker 1: store window but thought, oh, I can't wear that? Interesting? 6 00:00:27,905 --> 00:00:30,865 Speaker 1: Lots of women think that they've aged out of certain 7 00:00:30,945 --> 00:00:34,985 Speaker 1: trends or even entire stores and brands. We see this 8 00:00:35,105 --> 00:00:37,545 Speaker 1: in the beauty world too, with some people believing they 9 00:00:37,545 --> 00:00:40,145 Speaker 1: can't pull off certain makeup trends or looks due to 10 00:00:40,185 --> 00:00:42,505 Speaker 1: their age, or don't like to shop in person at 11 00:00:42,545 --> 00:00:48,185 Speaker 1: particular stores, and I politely strongly disagree. I thought you 12 00:00:48,265 --> 00:00:50,305 Speaker 1: might like to listen to an episode of Nothing to 13 00:00:50,385 --> 00:00:53,345 Speaker 1: Wear where I speak to a fashion stylist about something 14 00:00:53,385 --> 00:00:56,985 Speaker 1: called ageless dressing, where she provides the formula to looking 15 00:00:57,065 --> 00:01:00,305 Speaker 1: stylish at any age, and her philosophy applies to beauty 16 00:01:00,345 --> 00:01:02,705 Speaker 1: as well. So have a listen, and I hope you enjoy. 17 00:01:05,185 --> 00:01:08,025 Speaker 1: Whoever said orange is the new pink but seriously deserved 18 00:01:08,145 --> 00:01:12,185 Speaker 1: laurels for spranged groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have to 19 00:01:12,265 --> 00:01:12,585 Speaker 1: do it. 20 00:01:12,665 --> 00:01:13,905 Speaker 2: You live for fashion. 21 00:01:14,705 --> 00:01:17,745 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 22 00:01:17,825 --> 00:01:21,905 Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell, 23 00:01:21,905 --> 00:01:24,705 Speaker 1: and every week I talk to an expert who helps 24 00:01:24,785 --> 00:01:26,505 Speaker 1: us work out how to get more out of the 25 00:01:26,505 --> 00:01:29,865 Speaker 1: clothes we already own and tells us exactly what is 26 00:01:29,985 --> 00:01:34,065 Speaker 1: and what isn't worth adding to our wardrobes. How often 27 00:01:34,105 --> 00:01:36,505 Speaker 1: have you seen an outfit in the window of a store, 28 00:01:36,865 --> 00:01:39,905 Speaker 1: loved it, but then you've thought, oh, I can't wear that. 29 00:01:40,625 --> 00:01:42,625 Speaker 1: It turns out a lot of women decide that they 30 00:01:42,665 --> 00:01:45,705 Speaker 1: have quote unquote aged out of a store or a 31 00:01:45,745 --> 00:01:48,945 Speaker 1: style and assume they can't wear certain trends because of 32 00:01:48,985 --> 00:01:51,945 Speaker 1: how old they are. This episode is going to go 33 00:01:52,065 --> 00:01:55,305 Speaker 1: against that belief because it's all in our heads. You 34 00:01:55,425 --> 00:01:57,705 Speaker 1: haven't aged out of an item, You just need to 35 00:01:57,745 --> 00:02:01,985 Speaker 1: style it for your personal style. Now joining me today 36 00:02:02,065 --> 00:02:05,825 Speaker 1: is stylist Sally McKinnon. She believes in ageless dressing and 37 00:02:05,865 --> 00:02:08,385 Speaker 1: between the two of us, we have the perfect formula 38 00:02:08,465 --> 00:02:12,905 Speaker 1: that lets you feel styling any age. Sally, Welcome to 39 00:02:12,945 --> 00:02:17,545 Speaker 1: the show. I requested your presence on this podcast, so 40 00:02:17,625 --> 00:02:18,905 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you. 41 00:02:19,305 --> 00:02:20,905 Speaker 2: Very pleased to be Herely. 42 00:02:20,865 --> 00:02:24,025 Speaker 1: Let's get started with the questions I ask everyone, Can 43 00:02:24,065 --> 00:02:26,545 Speaker 1: you describe your style? In three words. 44 00:02:27,105 --> 00:02:30,025 Speaker 2: Do you know this is such a hard question for 45 00:02:30,105 --> 00:02:32,905 Speaker 2: me to answer. I have given this a lot of 46 00:02:32,985 --> 00:02:35,865 Speaker 2: thought over quite some time, not just in preparation for 47 00:02:35,905 --> 00:02:38,905 Speaker 2: today's podcast, because I really am a bit of a 48 00:02:38,945 --> 00:02:43,745 Speaker 2: style chameleon. My style can literally change day to day, 49 00:02:43,785 --> 00:02:48,625 Speaker 2: week to week. However, I would say my style is modern, 50 00:02:49,065 --> 00:02:52,585 Speaker 2: curated and it's elevated. 51 00:02:52,505 --> 00:02:54,665 Speaker 1: Loving following you. I could not agree more. And I 52 00:02:54,665 --> 00:02:56,985 Speaker 1: think chameleon could be a word in of itself. You know, 53 00:02:57,065 --> 00:02:59,105 Speaker 1: it shows that you're a bit eclectic. 54 00:02:59,185 --> 00:03:01,945 Speaker 2: And a few people have used the word eclectic to 55 00:03:02,105 --> 00:03:04,425 Speaker 2: describe my style and I never would have used that 56 00:03:04,465 --> 00:03:06,785 Speaker 2: word because I always associate it with someone a little 57 00:03:06,785 --> 00:03:07,705 Speaker 2: bit crazy. 58 00:03:07,545 --> 00:03:09,585 Speaker 1: Yeah me too, or like thrown together but not in 59 00:03:09,705 --> 00:03:13,025 Speaker 1: a good way. Yeah yeah no, But chameleon is an 60 00:03:13,025 --> 00:03:16,225 Speaker 1: excellent one, and I love those words. Now. The fashion 61 00:03:16,385 --> 00:03:20,465 Speaker 1: theory is, we have a wardrobe full of clothes. Ninety 62 00:03:20,505 --> 00:03:22,945 Speaker 1: percent of the stuff we've worn a bit, sure, you know, 63 00:03:23,025 --> 00:03:25,425 Speaker 1: on occasion, but there's a ten percent that we just 64 00:03:25,505 --> 00:03:29,065 Speaker 1: wear over and over again, our trusty favorites. What's in 65 00:03:29,105 --> 00:03:29,945 Speaker 1: your ten percent? 66 00:03:30,185 --> 00:03:34,545 Speaker 2: My ten percent, without a doubt, would have to be blazers, 67 00:03:34,905 --> 00:03:39,025 Speaker 2: jeans and the last one probably if I was saying 68 00:03:39,185 --> 00:03:42,545 Speaker 2: right now, I'm loving a ballet flat, like a modern 69 00:03:42,705 --> 00:03:45,825 Speaker 2: ballet flat, but maybe a couple of months ago they 70 00:03:45,825 --> 00:03:49,305 Speaker 2: would be very on par with a pointed kitten heel. 71 00:03:49,425 --> 00:03:52,585 Speaker 2: So I love a kitten heel. So those three pieces, 72 00:03:52,625 --> 00:03:56,345 Speaker 2: the blazers, the interesting genes, the kitten heels are kind 73 00:03:56,385 --> 00:03:59,705 Speaker 2: of my signature style, and definitely that ten percent of 74 00:03:59,705 --> 00:04:00,985 Speaker 2: the wardrobe that I wear. 75 00:04:01,025 --> 00:04:03,545 Speaker 1: Today, we're doing things a little bit differently. We got 76 00:04:03,545 --> 00:04:07,065 Speaker 1: a dressing room dilemma from a listener. I am trying 77 00:04:07,105 --> 00:04:09,385 Speaker 1: on a bunch of outfits and I just don't know 78 00:04:09,465 --> 00:04:12,025 Speaker 1: if they are right for my age or if I'm 79 00:04:12,105 --> 00:04:15,145 Speaker 1: trying to be young again. I am in my late 80 00:04:15,225 --> 00:04:18,865 Speaker 1: forties and feel like I'm having an identity crisis. How 81 00:04:18,865 --> 00:04:21,825 Speaker 1: do I know what's right for me? So, Sally, as 82 00:04:21,825 --> 00:04:23,585 Speaker 1: a starist, I'm sure this comes up a lot when 83 00:04:23,625 --> 00:04:25,425 Speaker 1: you're working with clients, or I wonder if it does. 84 00:04:26,185 --> 00:04:28,705 Speaker 1: What do you think of that question? And the age 85 00:04:28,705 --> 00:04:32,425 Speaker 1: part particularly I find really interesting. So is this a 86 00:04:32,465 --> 00:04:34,185 Speaker 1: common thread you see with clients? 87 00:04:34,665 --> 00:04:40,505 Speaker 2: This is so commonly, It's very common amongst women of 88 00:04:40,785 --> 00:04:43,425 Speaker 2: a certain kind of age demographic, and we find that 89 00:04:43,585 --> 00:04:45,865 Speaker 2: as women kind of go throughout life and go from 90 00:04:45,905 --> 00:04:49,105 Speaker 2: decade to decade, so even from their twenties to thirties, 91 00:04:49,145 --> 00:04:53,065 Speaker 2: thirties to forties, forties to fifties, they do have this 92 00:04:53,545 --> 00:04:59,105 Speaker 2: identity crisis. It's particularly common for new mums. Yes, So 93 00:04:59,185 --> 00:05:02,665 Speaker 2: perhaps this particular listener is someone who might have a 94 00:05:02,705 --> 00:05:05,625 Speaker 2: young family and all of a sudden her lifestyle has 95 00:05:05,745 --> 00:05:09,825 Speaker 2: changed considerably. What she used to wear doesn't apply to 96 00:05:09,865 --> 00:05:13,545 Speaker 2: her current lifestyle. But also I think the older we get, 97 00:05:13,585 --> 00:05:15,905 Speaker 2: the more we start to question, which was kind of 98 00:05:15,945 --> 00:05:20,625 Speaker 2: her concern, well, how do I dress and how am 99 00:05:20,665 --> 00:05:23,185 Speaker 2: I supposed to look? Yes, And so I think that's 100 00:05:23,225 --> 00:05:27,545 Speaker 2: where the dilemma comes in. And it's a reasonable dilemma 101 00:05:27,585 --> 00:05:32,025 Speaker 2: because we are constantly bombarded as women with so much 102 00:05:32,705 --> 00:05:36,505 Speaker 2: in terms of fashion and trends. Add in social media, 103 00:05:36,985 --> 00:05:39,945 Speaker 2: it is highly highly confusion. So this is a really, 104 00:05:40,025 --> 00:05:42,945 Speaker 2: really common dilemma. So I would say that this listener, 105 00:05:43,345 --> 00:05:48,385 Speaker 2: you're not the only one. It's really common, and try 106 00:05:48,425 --> 00:05:50,625 Speaker 2: not to stress too much about it. 107 00:05:50,985 --> 00:05:53,025 Speaker 1: I think maybe she's overthinking it, but I agree it's 108 00:05:53,065 --> 00:05:55,305 Speaker 1: a common thing. Because I was actually shopping with a 109 00:05:55,305 --> 00:05:57,345 Speaker 1: girlfriend on Sunday and I saw something in the window 110 00:05:57,385 --> 00:05:58,825 Speaker 1: of a store. She goes, we can't go in there, 111 00:05:58,865 --> 00:06:02,625 Speaker 1: we're too old, And I thought, oh, that's interesting. I 112 00:06:02,665 --> 00:06:06,425 Speaker 1: myself have felt that through periods, particularly postpartum. This lovely 113 00:06:06,505 --> 00:06:09,025 Speaker 1: lady is saying, I'm trying on a bunch of outfits 114 00:06:09,065 --> 00:06:11,625 Speaker 1: and I don't know if they are right for my age. 115 00:06:11,705 --> 00:06:15,265 Speaker 1: So do you think it's that everyone on social media 116 00:06:15,265 --> 00:06:18,065 Speaker 1: and this is a generalization is twenty one? Do you 117 00:06:18,105 --> 00:06:19,345 Speaker 1: think it's marketing? 118 00:06:20,225 --> 00:06:22,545 Speaker 2: To be honestly, I think it's all of those things. 119 00:06:22,545 --> 00:06:25,665 Speaker 2: And I think one of the problems with the fashion world, 120 00:06:25,665 --> 00:06:28,465 Speaker 2: and this is worldwide, is that there's a real disconnect 121 00:06:28,585 --> 00:06:33,385 Speaker 2: between who the actual consumer is and the images that 122 00:06:33,545 --> 00:06:36,745 Speaker 2: as a consumer we see on their websites, on their 123 00:06:36,745 --> 00:06:40,265 Speaker 2: social media pages. So I don't know where this particular 124 00:06:40,305 --> 00:06:43,425 Speaker 2: woman was shopping, but I can guarantee she was drawn 125 00:06:43,465 --> 00:06:47,825 Speaker 2: towards something that she really loved the look of. She 126 00:06:47,945 --> 00:06:50,065 Speaker 2: probably put it on her body and looked in the 127 00:06:50,105 --> 00:06:53,985 Speaker 2: mirror and then started to question is this appropriate for 128 00:06:54,145 --> 00:06:58,465 Speaker 2: my age? And I guess if I was there with 129 00:06:58,505 --> 00:07:01,505 Speaker 2: her in the chain room, I would then ask her, well, 130 00:07:01,505 --> 00:07:04,825 Speaker 2: how do you plan to wear it? You know, because 131 00:07:04,825 --> 00:07:08,545 Speaker 2: it's not just about a single item. It's about the 132 00:07:08,545 --> 00:07:12,785 Speaker 2: hedge toe style, and I think that is what differentiates 133 00:07:12,905 --> 00:07:15,785 Speaker 2: someone maybe in their twenties to someone in their forties 134 00:07:15,825 --> 00:07:18,585 Speaker 2: or fifties or sixties. That you might have exactly the 135 00:07:18,585 --> 00:07:22,625 Speaker 2: same item, but you will wear it differently to suit you, 136 00:07:23,425 --> 00:07:27,425 Speaker 2: not necessarily suit your age, but to suit your personal style. 137 00:07:27,665 --> 00:07:30,185 Speaker 1: That's why I prefer Pinterest because I take screenshots and 138 00:07:30,185 --> 00:07:32,025 Speaker 1: then I cut the person's head off in my camera 139 00:07:32,065 --> 00:07:33,945 Speaker 1: roll because I don't want to know anything about them. 140 00:07:33,985 --> 00:07:35,705 Speaker 1: I just want to be inspired by the outfit. 141 00:07:36,065 --> 00:07:38,665 Speaker 2: Yeah, and quite a passion brands are doing that now 142 00:07:38,745 --> 00:07:41,705 Speaker 2: on their e comm You Creed just kind of see 143 00:07:41,785 --> 00:07:46,105 Speaker 2: a mouth down, so they're trying to disassociate the model, Yeah, 144 00:07:46,185 --> 00:07:46,785 Speaker 2: the clothing. 145 00:07:47,305 --> 00:07:49,305 Speaker 1: Sally, Let's say we're going to help this lovely lady. 146 00:07:49,905 --> 00:07:53,665 Speaker 1: We want her to find her ageless fashion style. What 147 00:07:53,745 --> 00:07:55,945 Speaker 1: do you think ageless fashion is. 148 00:07:57,785 --> 00:08:01,265 Speaker 2: It's such an interesting and obviously a very hot topic, 149 00:08:01,305 --> 00:08:04,705 Speaker 2: and I'm a big advocate for ageless style, and I 150 00:08:04,745 --> 00:08:08,585 Speaker 2: guess essentially what I think that means is ageless style 151 00:08:08,705 --> 00:08:13,185 Speaker 2: is really where wearing whatever you want and wearing whatever 152 00:08:13,345 --> 00:08:17,345 Speaker 2: makes you feel good, regardless of your age. So thinking 153 00:08:17,745 --> 00:08:21,905 Speaker 2: beyond all those stereotypes, all those silly saying like Mutton 154 00:08:21,945 --> 00:08:26,905 Speaker 2: dressed up as lamb and wearing whatever makes you feel 155 00:08:27,025 --> 00:08:30,305 Speaker 2: the best version of yourself, whatever that might be, whatever 156 00:08:30,345 --> 00:08:32,785 Speaker 2: your personal style is. And I think at the end 157 00:08:32,785 --> 00:08:35,985 Speaker 2: of the day, as we get older, we definitely do 158 00:08:36,545 --> 00:08:38,665 Speaker 2: learn to trust our instincts a lot more when it 159 00:08:38,705 --> 00:08:41,585 Speaker 2: comes to personal style, and we tend to get better 160 00:08:41,625 --> 00:08:44,505 Speaker 2: at shutting out the noise. But I still think for 161 00:08:44,585 --> 00:08:46,585 Speaker 2: a lot of women it is very, very hard, because 162 00:08:46,625 --> 00:08:50,145 Speaker 2: of all those factors we've already talked about, to trust 163 00:08:50,225 --> 00:08:54,985 Speaker 2: their instincts and wear what they genuinely feel best in. 164 00:08:55,385 --> 00:08:57,505 Speaker 1: That's it. I could not agree more. I mean, I'm 165 00:08:57,545 --> 00:09:01,065 Speaker 1: now forty two, and I only started wearing miniskirts and 166 00:09:01,185 --> 00:09:04,505 Speaker 1: shorter things in my forties because my legs aren't my 167 00:09:04,545 --> 00:09:06,225 Speaker 1: best part of my body. Do I hate them? No? 168 00:09:06,385 --> 00:09:09,105 Speaker 1: Do I think about them? No? But I'd told myself, oh, 169 00:09:09,145 --> 00:09:11,385 Speaker 1: I can't show my legs, And then I got into 170 00:09:11,385 --> 00:09:13,705 Speaker 1: my forties, I was like, who cares, No one's looking 171 00:09:13,705 --> 00:09:15,745 Speaker 1: at my legs. I like the dress. I feel great, 172 00:09:16,305 --> 00:09:19,025 Speaker 1: And so that came with age. But it's funny because oftentimes, 173 00:09:19,065 --> 00:09:21,305 Speaker 1: as we're saying it might be the other other way around. 174 00:09:21,305 --> 00:09:23,585 Speaker 1: You might have had confidence before and then you think, 175 00:09:23,625 --> 00:09:26,185 Speaker 1: ooh am I too old now I'm a mum, whatever 176 00:09:26,225 --> 00:09:28,785 Speaker 1: that may be. So we go through phases, don't we. 177 00:09:29,105 --> 00:09:31,385 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think also maybe Lee, you know, think 178 00:09:31,385 --> 00:09:33,905 Speaker 2: about the way that you're wearing that mini skirt in 179 00:09:33,945 --> 00:09:37,345 Speaker 2: your forty Yes, it's probably very different to how you 180 00:09:37,345 --> 00:09:40,065 Speaker 2: would have worn that miniskirt in your twenty Totally. 181 00:09:40,185 --> 00:09:42,585 Speaker 1: This is a kitten heel or a sandal. I mean, 182 00:09:42,625 --> 00:09:45,545 Speaker 1: I would not go near high stiletto yep, anything. 183 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:47,625 Speaker 2: You're probably not wearing it with a little crop top. 184 00:09:47,785 --> 00:09:50,625 Speaker 1: No, And that's it. And it's just because I like comfort, 185 00:09:50,625 --> 00:09:54,545 Speaker 1: because I'm tired. So do you think there are any 186 00:09:54,665 --> 00:09:58,065 Speaker 1: similarities between what the sixteen year olds are wearing today 187 00:09:58,185 --> 00:10:00,945 Speaker 1: versus the trends of say you and I? 188 00:10:00,945 --> 00:10:03,625 Speaker 2: I think the thing is that right now, in twenty 189 00:10:03,745 --> 00:10:08,825 Speaker 2: twenty four, we've never had so much at our disposal 190 00:10:08,865 --> 00:10:13,145 Speaker 2: in terms of choice and availability, whether it be online. 191 00:10:13,585 --> 00:10:16,745 Speaker 2: And we also I feel like there's never been less 192 00:10:16,785 --> 00:10:20,105 Speaker 2: almost differentiation between what the eighteen year olds and the 193 00:10:20,145 --> 00:10:23,225 Speaker 2: fifty eight year olds are wearing. Yes, I agree, So 194 00:10:23,785 --> 00:10:26,785 Speaker 2: gone all the days when you know teenagers dressed a 195 00:10:26,785 --> 00:10:29,985 Speaker 2: certain way and their mother's dressed another way. There's definitely 196 00:10:30,025 --> 00:10:34,425 Speaker 2: a lot more crossover between what's in a store in say, 197 00:10:34,545 --> 00:10:38,105 Speaker 2: somewhere that cater's for a teenage girl and somewhere that 198 00:10:38,225 --> 00:10:41,145 Speaker 2: cater's towards a fifty plus year old woman. Whether it's 199 00:10:41,145 --> 00:10:44,665 Speaker 2: a sneakers, you know, everyone's wearing sneakers. The youngsters will 200 00:10:44,705 --> 00:10:48,745 Speaker 2: be wearing that same sneaker, yeah, with their visible socks, 201 00:10:48,785 --> 00:10:52,505 Speaker 2: whereas a different generation. So it's just those little tweaks. 202 00:10:52,505 --> 00:10:57,025 Speaker 2: But honestly, there is very little difference between how the 203 00:10:57,105 --> 00:11:01,985 Speaker 2: generations are dressing. But each generation or each individual will 204 00:11:01,985 --> 00:11:04,505 Speaker 2: wear something in their own unique way. Yeah. 205 00:11:04,625 --> 00:11:06,385 Speaker 1: I agree. My mum's Nelly eighty, and every time I 206 00:11:06,425 --> 00:11:08,305 Speaker 1: pop out to her place, I go, oh, whoops, I 207 00:11:08,305 --> 00:11:11,585 Speaker 1: took those seed jeans home to it to borrow. You know, absolutely, 208 00:11:11,665 --> 00:11:14,225 Speaker 1: she's nailing ageless dressing. And when I take her shopping, 209 00:11:14,305 --> 00:11:15,945 Speaker 1: she goes, oh, I'm not going into that store. That's 210 00:11:15,985 --> 00:11:17,905 Speaker 1: an old lady's store, and I think I want to 211 00:11:17,945 --> 00:11:19,705 Speaker 1: be exactly like it at. 212 00:11:19,505 --> 00:11:22,225 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting that same kind of sentiment we 213 00:11:22,305 --> 00:11:24,265 Speaker 2: see that all the time with our clients, is that 214 00:11:24,305 --> 00:11:29,105 Speaker 2: we will take older clients into younger stores what's perceived 215 00:11:29,145 --> 00:11:33,345 Speaker 2: younger stores, and vice versa, our younger clients into somewhere 216 00:11:33,625 --> 00:11:36,705 Speaker 2: that they perceive as being, oh, that's an older lady store, 217 00:11:37,185 --> 00:11:39,545 Speaker 2: because it's about the item that you're going to choose 218 00:11:39,585 --> 00:11:41,385 Speaker 2: for them and then how they're going to style it. 219 00:11:41,625 --> 00:11:46,425 Speaker 2: So those preconceived notions about brands are even kind of disappearing. 220 00:11:46,465 --> 00:11:47,025 Speaker 2: I think. 221 00:11:58,585 --> 00:12:01,105 Speaker 1: I'm totally ageless and I love fashion, but I have felt, 222 00:12:01,265 --> 00:12:04,105 Speaker 1: let's say a little bit mature seeing all the two 223 00:12:04,185 --> 00:12:07,065 Speaker 1: thousands trends coming back, even some of the nineties trends, 224 00:12:07,065 --> 00:12:09,505 Speaker 1: because you know, I was there the first time. Is 225 00:12:09,505 --> 00:12:12,585 Speaker 1: it that fashion and trends are cyclical and it's just 226 00:12:12,625 --> 00:12:14,585 Speaker 1: that it kind of goes on to the next generation. 227 00:12:15,185 --> 00:12:18,665 Speaker 2: Absolutely they do. Yeah, you look at all the big 228 00:12:18,705 --> 00:12:21,545 Speaker 2: baggie jeans and the sneakers and the little crop top. 229 00:12:21,745 --> 00:12:23,905 Speaker 2: I'm ten years older than you, Lee, so that just 230 00:12:23,985 --> 00:12:30,505 Speaker 2: reminds me of my favorite girl band at the time, TLC. Yes, 231 00:12:30,625 --> 00:12:33,065 Speaker 2: But again, you know, you can look at like I'm 232 00:12:33,145 --> 00:12:36,545 Speaker 2: loving a baggie kind of slightly or won't say low rise, 233 00:12:36,625 --> 00:12:39,585 Speaker 2: but just slightly lower on my hips. Yeah, wide leg 234 00:12:39,745 --> 00:12:43,145 Speaker 2: to the floor. But I will then elevate it using 235 00:12:43,185 --> 00:12:45,265 Speaker 2: one of my words, and rather than wear it with 236 00:12:45,305 --> 00:12:48,905 Speaker 2: a sneaker, I'll wear it with a ballet flat or 237 00:12:48,905 --> 00:12:53,065 Speaker 2: a pointed pump and a blazer. So I'm still taking 238 00:12:53,105 --> 00:12:55,945 Speaker 2: whatever that trend is, or you know, the cycle that's 239 00:12:55,985 --> 00:12:59,545 Speaker 2: come back through, but I'm styling it very differently to 240 00:12:59,625 --> 00:13:01,025 Speaker 2: the young women in their twenties. 241 00:13:01,105 --> 00:13:04,065 Speaker 1: Yeah. Same, and they're probably thinking, Oh, this trend's so 242 00:13:04,185 --> 00:13:05,945 Speaker 1: cool and new, and we're like, oh, we did that 243 00:13:05,985 --> 00:13:08,865 Speaker 1: the first time. I know. So do you think ken 244 00:13:08,905 --> 00:13:13,025 Speaker 1: women in their forties and fifties confidently wear the same 245 00:13:13,065 --> 00:13:16,585 Speaker 1: outfits as their daughters. I know Mia swaps clothes with 246 00:13:16,665 --> 00:13:19,065 Speaker 1: her daughter all the time. What do you think about this. 247 00:13:19,345 --> 00:13:21,265 Speaker 1: I don't wear my whole mum's outfit, but I wear 248 00:13:21,305 --> 00:13:23,505 Speaker 1: a lot of my mum's clothes and hers she wears 249 00:13:23,545 --> 00:13:24,065 Speaker 1: a lot of mine. 250 00:13:24,385 --> 00:13:26,465 Speaker 2: That kind of comes back to what we talked about, 251 00:13:26,505 --> 00:13:31,305 Speaker 2: how really the difference between how the generations currently dress 252 00:13:31,705 --> 00:13:35,385 Speaker 2: isn't really perhaps as different as it used to be, 253 00:13:35,425 --> 00:13:37,225 Speaker 2: And that probably also has something to do with the 254 00:13:37,265 --> 00:13:40,105 Speaker 2: fact that we are actually here talking about ageless style. 255 00:13:40,705 --> 00:13:43,585 Speaker 2: You know, I'm sure you've probably seen memes or you know, 256 00:13:43,705 --> 00:13:46,225 Speaker 2: videos about the Golden girls back in the day, you know, 257 00:13:46,505 --> 00:13:48,385 Speaker 2: you know who were actually only supposed to be in 258 00:13:48,425 --> 00:13:51,585 Speaker 2: their mid forties. I know, the way a fifty year 259 00:13:51,625 --> 00:13:54,345 Speaker 2: old woman, I mean, I'm fifty two. People think I'm 260 00:13:54,385 --> 00:13:57,625 Speaker 2: younger all the time. And you know, a fifty two 261 00:13:57,905 --> 00:13:59,945 Speaker 2: year old woman today, or a sixty two or a 262 00:13:59,985 --> 00:14:02,465 Speaker 2: seventy two year old woman, it's not the same as 263 00:14:02,585 --> 00:14:04,985 Speaker 2: how we kind of pictured that same age group all 264 00:14:05,025 --> 00:14:08,905 Speaker 2: those years ago. So there's definitely lots of crossover. And yes, 265 00:14:08,945 --> 00:14:12,705 Speaker 2: I know Mia often swaps clothes or wears her daughter's 266 00:14:12,745 --> 00:14:15,385 Speaker 2: clothes or vice versa, but again I'm sure she just 267 00:14:15,425 --> 00:14:17,185 Speaker 2: wears them a little bit differently. 268 00:14:17,745 --> 00:14:20,785 Speaker 1: So, Sally, let's say you're helping this client in real life. 269 00:14:21,065 --> 00:14:23,465 Speaker 1: What advice are you giving her or what steps are 270 00:14:23,465 --> 00:14:25,465 Speaker 1: you taking or where are you going? What are you 271 00:14:25,625 --> 00:14:29,785 Speaker 1: doing to help her feel less daunted or worried about 272 00:14:30,065 --> 00:14:32,505 Speaker 1: dressing quote unquote age appropriately. 273 00:14:33,145 --> 00:14:35,585 Speaker 2: So first of all, it's really important to find out 274 00:14:35,625 --> 00:14:39,585 Speaker 2: what the actual day to day needs are of the client. 275 00:14:39,785 --> 00:14:42,665 Speaker 2: So what does their lifestyle look like. Are they working, 276 00:14:42,705 --> 00:14:45,065 Speaker 2: are they working from home? Are they in an office? 277 00:14:45,225 --> 00:14:48,025 Speaker 2: Are they in a corporate environment or a more casual environment. 278 00:14:48,105 --> 00:14:51,425 Speaker 2: Are they stay at home mum looking after kids? What 279 00:14:51,425 --> 00:14:54,345 Speaker 2: does their social life look like? So then you start 280 00:14:54,385 --> 00:14:57,185 Speaker 2: to think about, well, what clothes are actually going to 281 00:14:57,305 --> 00:15:00,865 Speaker 2: serve your life purpose? What clothing is going to be 282 00:15:00,985 --> 00:15:04,185 Speaker 2: functional for you every day? And I think what's happened 283 00:15:04,305 --> 00:15:06,985 Speaker 2: post pandemic is it because the workplace has become a 284 00:15:07,025 --> 00:15:09,865 Speaker 2: lot more casual. That's a really great thing for a 285 00:15:09,905 --> 00:15:12,545 Speaker 2: lot of people's budgets. So we're finding now rather than 286 00:15:12,945 --> 00:15:16,105 Speaker 2: shopping with clients to get a separate work wardrobe and 287 00:15:16,145 --> 00:15:19,625 Speaker 2: a separate weekend wardrobe, there's a lot more overlap emerging 288 00:15:20,705 --> 00:15:23,985 Speaker 2: educating the client and showing them through their clothing, how 289 00:15:24,145 --> 00:15:28,145 Speaker 2: they can put together a look that suits their everyday needs, 290 00:15:28,185 --> 00:15:30,785 Speaker 2: how they can dress something up, dress something down, how 291 00:15:30,825 --> 00:15:34,385 Speaker 2: they can elevate it, and how they can wear their 292 00:15:34,425 --> 00:15:39,025 Speaker 2: clothes in a way that makes them feel fantastic for 293 00:15:39,145 --> 00:15:42,105 Speaker 2: whatever their day to day purpose, whether that is. And 294 00:15:42,145 --> 00:15:44,905 Speaker 2: you'd be amazed how many women say this. They just 295 00:15:44,945 --> 00:15:47,385 Speaker 2: want to look good when they pick the kids up 296 00:15:47,425 --> 00:15:49,745 Speaker 2: from school. I don't want to be in their leggings, 297 00:15:49,825 --> 00:15:52,705 Speaker 2: but they want to just look like they've made an effort. Yeah, 298 00:15:52,745 --> 00:15:54,505 Speaker 2: sometimes it's just as simple as that. 299 00:15:54,825 --> 00:15:56,585 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. So many of us are busy. We 300 00:15:56,705 --> 00:15:59,265 Speaker 1: don't go on the Oscars red carpet. We're running around 301 00:15:59,345 --> 00:16:01,745 Speaker 1: doing chores and working kids. But we just want that 302 00:16:01,745 --> 00:16:05,225 Speaker 1: little bit of elevation comfort. But then like, oh that's 303 00:16:05,265 --> 00:16:07,545 Speaker 1: quite cool, Like it's hard to find, but it looks 304 00:16:07,625 --> 00:16:08,425 Speaker 1: very effortless. 305 00:16:08,905 --> 00:16:11,985 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do learn to listen to your gut and 306 00:16:12,065 --> 00:16:15,185 Speaker 2: trust your instinct, whether you're shopping or putting together an 307 00:16:15,185 --> 00:16:18,065 Speaker 2: outfit from your wardrobe. You know, look in the mirror, 308 00:16:18,385 --> 00:16:22,145 Speaker 2: take a photo, and if it feels right, regardless of 309 00:16:22,185 --> 00:16:24,545 Speaker 2: what anyone else says, it's probably right. 310 00:16:25,425 --> 00:16:29,025 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about fabrics, so this is 311 00:16:29,065 --> 00:16:31,705 Speaker 1: something that I've probably changed the most sence I've aged, 312 00:16:31,745 --> 00:16:33,785 Speaker 1: if you don't mind me asking about fabrics, because I 313 00:16:33,825 --> 00:16:36,385 Speaker 1: feel like I've always had a similar style, but I 314 00:16:36,545 --> 00:16:39,625 Speaker 1: was just not Maybe I wasn't as busy, there wasn't 315 00:16:39,625 --> 00:16:42,265 Speaker 1: as much wear and tear. So do you think as 316 00:16:42,305 --> 00:16:45,225 Speaker 1: we age, little tweaks into the types of fabrics that 317 00:16:45,265 --> 00:16:48,065 Speaker 1: we look for, how we care for our garments can change, 318 00:16:48,265 --> 00:16:49,185 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. 319 00:16:49,625 --> 00:16:51,345 Speaker 2: That's really interesting because I used. 320 00:16:51,265 --> 00:16:53,345 Speaker 1: To think, oh, white T shirt's a white T shirt whatever, 321 00:16:53,425 --> 00:16:55,305 Speaker 1: But now I'm like Oh, it's one hundred percent cotton. 322 00:16:55,345 --> 00:16:57,745 Speaker 1: It's breathable. I know how to launder it. 323 00:16:58,425 --> 00:17:02,905 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, definitely, natural fibers are going to feel more comfortable, 324 00:17:02,945 --> 00:17:05,665 Speaker 2: they're more breathable. So I guess if we are talking 325 00:17:05,705 --> 00:17:08,665 Speaker 2: about women of a certain age and going through a 326 00:17:08,705 --> 00:17:11,425 Speaker 2: certain time in life and maybe having hot flushes and 327 00:17:11,745 --> 00:17:15,785 Speaker 2: regulating different body temperatures, than obviously natural fibers are going 328 00:17:15,825 --> 00:17:18,905 Speaker 2: to be better. So, whether that's cotton, linens and silks 329 00:17:18,945 --> 00:17:21,145 Speaker 2: and things like that. But I'm also a big believer 330 00:17:21,345 --> 00:17:25,425 Speaker 2: just anyway, Lee, that when you're buying clothes, the way 331 00:17:25,545 --> 00:17:29,665 Speaker 2: a fabric looks and falls and drapes on your body 332 00:17:29,985 --> 00:17:34,345 Speaker 2: is actually really key. And you can buy something very inexpensive, 333 00:17:34,465 --> 00:17:36,025 Speaker 2: and I know that's going to be something we'll talk 334 00:17:36,065 --> 00:17:39,625 Speaker 2: about in a minute, but when it's a good cotton 335 00:17:40,065 --> 00:17:41,985 Speaker 2: or a good linen, or a blend of the two, 336 00:17:42,265 --> 00:17:44,985 Speaker 2: or a bit of a synthetic, I can tell you now, 337 00:17:45,065 --> 00:17:49,145 Speaker 2: if that item of clothing looks great on your body, 338 00:17:49,185 --> 00:17:51,265 Speaker 2: then it will look a lot more expensive than it 339 00:17:51,305 --> 00:17:54,345 Speaker 2: actually is. And I've also got another little theory with 340 00:17:54,545 --> 00:17:57,945 Speaker 2: clients who do need to shop on a budget. So 341 00:17:58,025 --> 00:18:00,425 Speaker 2: I think we always think, oh, the more we spend 342 00:18:00,465 --> 00:18:03,225 Speaker 2: on clothes, the more we need to be careful and 343 00:18:03,385 --> 00:18:06,345 Speaker 2: look after them and dry clean than bloody blah. But 344 00:18:06,425 --> 00:18:10,185 Speaker 2: I also say, hey, if you're buying budget, look after 345 00:18:10,265 --> 00:18:13,785 Speaker 2: them just as well, because that will prolong their wear 346 00:18:14,425 --> 00:18:17,065 Speaker 2: and it will make them look really good for a 347 00:18:17,145 --> 00:18:19,825 Speaker 2: much longer period of time. So don't be afraid if 348 00:18:19,825 --> 00:18:23,705 Speaker 2: it's applicable to get a synthetic blouse, dry clean. 349 00:18:23,625 --> 00:18:26,945 Speaker 1: Yes, or hand wash you affordable tea or knit or 350 00:18:26,985 --> 00:18:29,145 Speaker 1: whatever it is. Just because it was affordable doesn't mean 351 00:18:29,225 --> 00:18:31,265 Speaker 1: we want to trash it any faster. I love that 352 00:18:32,425 --> 00:18:35,305 Speaker 1: before we get into bougie and budget. What's your overall 353 00:18:35,985 --> 00:18:40,625 Speaker 1: message or advice for women who are worried about wearing 354 00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:42,865 Speaker 1: certain things at their age. I know you've said just 355 00:18:42,905 --> 00:18:45,625 Speaker 1: go with your gut, but something a bit more practical 356 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:47,305 Speaker 1: in that should they take a friend with them? Should 357 00:18:47,345 --> 00:18:48,785 Speaker 1: they not take a friend with them? 358 00:18:49,785 --> 00:18:54,065 Speaker 2: Look, it's very hard shopping with friends because a friend 359 00:18:54,945 --> 00:19:00,625 Speaker 2: can sometimes be almost a little bit too honest in 360 00:19:00,705 --> 00:19:03,985 Speaker 2: many ways, but also they're being a lot more subjective 361 00:19:04,025 --> 00:19:07,265 Speaker 2: with their advice. Yeah, the best way is to shop 362 00:19:07,385 --> 00:19:11,625 Speaker 2: by yourself and take photo yes in the change room, 363 00:19:12,305 --> 00:19:15,145 Speaker 2: even do what you said before Lee, actually cover your 364 00:19:15,185 --> 00:19:17,505 Speaker 2: face with the phone or top your head off so 365 00:19:17,585 --> 00:19:22,545 Speaker 2: that you really objectively looking at the item. But even 366 00:19:22,665 --> 00:19:25,745 Speaker 2: from there, rather than just putting on a top or 367 00:19:25,745 --> 00:19:28,345 Speaker 2: a jacket, style it from head to toe in the 368 00:19:28,425 --> 00:19:31,745 Speaker 2: store and see how it comes together as a collective outfit. 369 00:19:31,985 --> 00:19:34,105 Speaker 2: Your judgment of how something looks will be a lot 370 00:19:34,105 --> 00:19:34,745 Speaker 2: more accurate. 371 00:19:34,865 --> 00:19:37,425 Speaker 1: I really like putting together the whole outfit in the chain. Yeah, 372 00:19:37,705 --> 00:19:40,225 Speaker 1: or perhaps checking the returns policy and taking it home 373 00:19:40,265 --> 00:19:41,945 Speaker 1: and seeing the combos in your wardrobe. 374 00:19:42,065 --> 00:19:46,545 Speaker 2: Absolutely, always take things home if the returns policy allows 375 00:19:46,585 --> 00:19:48,065 Speaker 2: for you to go home, try it on in your 376 00:19:48,065 --> 00:19:51,705 Speaker 2: own home. I do that all the time online shopping. 377 00:19:51,745 --> 00:19:55,065 Speaker 2: I only buy online from stores that are free returns 378 00:19:55,625 --> 00:19:57,505 Speaker 2: because you do want to be able to bring it home, 379 00:19:57,665 --> 00:20:00,025 Speaker 2: tie it on with your wardrobe, mix and match, take 380 00:20:00,065 --> 00:20:02,905 Speaker 2: lots of photos, and have some time to process it. 381 00:20:02,945 --> 00:20:05,265 Speaker 2: And I think that's the problem. When we shop with friends, 382 00:20:05,785 --> 00:20:09,385 Speaker 2: there's a little bit of healthy kind of competition, but 383 00:20:09,425 --> 00:20:12,985 Speaker 2: there's also can be some unhealthy influence. 384 00:20:13,145 --> 00:20:31,905 Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, it's very expensive. How mud are these? Okay, 385 00:20:31,905 --> 00:20:33,585 Speaker 1: we're going to move on to bougie and budget, So 386 00:20:33,625 --> 00:20:38,705 Speaker 1: we're talking about ageless outfits, ageless fashion. So I found 387 00:20:38,705 --> 00:20:41,665 Speaker 1: this quite hard in that I actually found a few versions. 388 00:20:41,665 --> 00:20:45,025 Speaker 1: So what I've done, I've gone into an online store 389 00:20:45,065 --> 00:20:49,585 Speaker 1: that's for quote unquote young people and found a bougie 390 00:20:49,625 --> 00:20:52,865 Speaker 1: and a budget that I would very happily recommend for 391 00:20:52,985 --> 00:20:55,825 Speaker 1: my age group and my mum would probably wear. So 392 00:20:55,865 --> 00:20:58,665 Speaker 1: that's how I went about it. Tell me, Sally about 393 00:20:58,665 --> 00:21:01,105 Speaker 1: your budget and what you've chosen and why. 394 00:21:01,665 --> 00:21:05,745 Speaker 2: So I'm a big aware of any matching set. So 395 00:21:05,825 --> 00:21:09,145 Speaker 2: I love a good coord be it a suit, you know, 396 00:21:09,185 --> 00:21:12,585 Speaker 2: a jacket and trouser, jacket and skirt, or a good 397 00:21:12,665 --> 00:21:15,585 Speaker 2: co or you know, kind of softer blouse and pants. 398 00:21:15,625 --> 00:21:18,545 Speaker 2: So I went into Camilla and Mark last week to 399 00:21:18,625 --> 00:21:21,905 Speaker 2: check out their brand new drop, and my eye went 400 00:21:22,105 --> 00:21:26,905 Speaker 2: straight to this kind of torpie color, buttoned down collared 401 00:21:27,185 --> 00:21:33,345 Speaker 2: shirt and elastic size wasted, full fluid pants. 402 00:21:32,905 --> 00:21:37,545 Speaker 1: Heaven elastic on the waist. 403 00:21:36,385 --> 00:21:40,025 Speaker 2: Fabric beautiful with a nice kind of quite textured little 404 00:21:40,025 --> 00:21:43,465 Speaker 2: front pleat. And I tried it on and it's very fluid. 405 00:21:43,465 --> 00:21:46,665 Speaker 2: It's a little bit pajamay in styling, just to describe it. 406 00:21:47,145 --> 00:21:50,065 Speaker 2: But I put it on and I put my hands 407 00:21:50,105 --> 00:21:52,865 Speaker 2: in my pockets and my shoulders just relaxed, and I 408 00:21:53,025 --> 00:21:54,665 Speaker 2: just knew, yep, this is it. 409 00:21:54,825 --> 00:21:55,505 Speaker 1: Felt good. 410 00:21:55,825 --> 00:21:58,345 Speaker 2: Yep, I felt good. It came home with me. And 411 00:21:58,385 --> 00:22:00,425 Speaker 2: I don't really shop like that very much. I don't 412 00:22:00,465 --> 00:22:02,785 Speaker 2: really do that kind of shot man and so I 413 00:22:02,825 --> 00:22:06,385 Speaker 2: appreciate that Camilla and Mark is not budget when I 414 00:22:06,425 --> 00:22:10,465 Speaker 2: compare it to my bougie. I love this very budget. 415 00:22:10,945 --> 00:22:12,745 Speaker 1: We'll get there in a moment. But also Camilla or 416 00:22:12,785 --> 00:22:15,905 Speaker 1: Mark's quality and the fact that they're kind of classic coords. 417 00:22:16,065 --> 00:22:18,945 Speaker 1: You can work them in with new trans new seasons forever. 418 00:22:19,065 --> 00:22:21,825 Speaker 1: I approve, and don't worry. My budget's very budget, so 419 00:22:21,905 --> 00:22:24,225 Speaker 1: I'm covering you there. So I pretended I went to 420 00:22:24,265 --> 00:22:26,865 Speaker 1: Dottie online because I thought, oh, I can't shop in Dotty. 421 00:22:27,265 --> 00:22:28,665 Speaker 1: I didn't think that, but I think a lot of 422 00:22:28,665 --> 00:22:33,505 Speaker 1: women would. Dotti have the Sarah Soft cargo pant. It's 423 00:22:33,505 --> 00:22:37,345 Speaker 1: a cord available, but I like the pants elasticated waist. 424 00:22:37,585 --> 00:22:40,385 Speaker 1: The color I like is called warm Talk. They look 425 00:22:40,505 --> 00:22:43,505 Speaker 1: like a brushed silk. They're not silk for the price, 426 00:22:43,585 --> 00:22:48,865 Speaker 1: but they're just super stretchy, cumfy, wideish at the A call. 427 00:22:48,985 --> 00:22:50,505 Speaker 1: So you could do a sneaker. You can do a 428 00:22:50,545 --> 00:22:54,785 Speaker 1: sandorm yep, and they are sixty nine ninety five budgets. 429 00:22:54,985 --> 00:22:56,865 Speaker 1: I'd be a little bit sweaty. That would be a 430 00:22:56,905 --> 00:22:59,385 Speaker 1: really good aeroplane outfit. Yeah. I wouldn't wear that fabric, 431 00:22:59,385 --> 00:23:00,865 Speaker 1: probably in the height of summer, because I get a 432 00:23:00,865 --> 00:23:03,705 Speaker 1: bit shitzy. But they're really nice. So the Sarah Soft 433 00:23:03,745 --> 00:23:06,545 Speaker 1: Cargo pants from Dotty, which I haven't looked at. 434 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:08,705 Speaker 2: In years, I will have to check them out. 435 00:23:08,905 --> 00:23:12,385 Speaker 1: You will give me your bougie because I think it's 436 00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:14,225 Speaker 1: by one of my favorite designers of all time. 437 00:23:14,585 --> 00:23:16,865 Speaker 2: Yeah. I should also say the set that I'm talking 438 00:23:16,865 --> 00:23:19,505 Speaker 2: about from Camilla and Mark is called the Nevas Shirt 439 00:23:19,625 --> 00:23:21,865 Speaker 2: and the Nevas pant perfect. I'm going to tell you 440 00:23:21,905 --> 00:23:24,665 Speaker 2: the price. Yeah, go on. So they were three fifty each. 441 00:23:24,985 --> 00:23:26,265 Speaker 1: Oh that's not too bad. 442 00:23:26,585 --> 00:23:29,465 Speaker 2: I thought the same thing. I know, but I thought 443 00:23:29,465 --> 00:23:30,185 Speaker 2: the same thing. 444 00:23:30,425 --> 00:23:33,065 Speaker 1: But after having purchased a blazer at the start of winter, 445 00:23:33,105 --> 00:23:35,225 Speaker 1: which obviously blazers a little bit more boogie. But three 446 00:23:35,345 --> 00:23:37,505 Speaker 1: fifty each is good for the quality and reputation of 447 00:23:37,545 --> 00:23:38,065 Speaker 1: Camilla and. 448 00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:41,905 Speaker 2: Mark, agreed. So that's a seven hundred dollars investment. Okay, 449 00:23:42,425 --> 00:23:47,905 Speaker 2: And the bougie is from my favorite designer. Also New 450 00:23:47,985 --> 00:23:53,905 Speaker 2: York brand Tibby, Yes, tib I love, and they have 451 00:23:54,825 --> 00:23:59,025 Speaker 2: almost the identical set. It's called the Thomas Men's Wear 452 00:23:59,345 --> 00:24:00,785 Speaker 2: shirt and pant. 453 00:24:01,425 --> 00:24:02,185 Speaker 1: Don't tell me this. 454 00:24:02,665 --> 00:24:06,665 Speaker 2: The shirt in Australian dollars is eight hundred and fifty 455 00:24:06,705 --> 00:24:10,745 Speaker 2: dollars okay, and the pants are a thousand okay. 456 00:24:10,905 --> 00:24:13,225 Speaker 1: So that's why we went for Camilla remark. Yeah. 457 00:24:13,385 --> 00:24:16,465 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is essentially the same vibe, it's the 458 00:24:16,465 --> 00:24:21,905 Speaker 2: same aesthetic, it's the same functionality, but less way less 459 00:24:21,945 --> 00:24:24,865 Speaker 2: than half price. And that's before you add shipping from 460 00:24:24,905 --> 00:24:25,305 Speaker 2: the US. 461 00:24:25,425 --> 00:24:27,985 Speaker 1: Totally go there, No, we won't. Tivy is such a 462 00:24:28,145 --> 00:24:29,905 Speaker 1: I was gonna say fun. Probably not fun, but you 463 00:24:29,945 --> 00:24:33,065 Speaker 1: know modern twist on classic shapes and a bit you know, 464 00:24:33,305 --> 00:24:36,665 Speaker 1: architectural and structural and their account and they're designed to 465 00:24:36,705 --> 00:24:38,825 Speaker 1: give so many amazing styling tips. 466 00:24:39,105 --> 00:24:39,305 Speaker 2: Yeah. 467 00:24:39,465 --> 00:24:41,105 Speaker 1: And then you can get a lot of Tivvy on 468 00:24:41,185 --> 00:24:44,465 Speaker 1: secondhand sites. There's even a Facebook group I'm in. I'm 469 00:24:44,465 --> 00:24:47,425 Speaker 1: in the group with the spreadsheet. Yes, we'll have to 470 00:24:47,465 --> 00:24:50,545 Speaker 1: link all of this in the show notes were twins. Now, 471 00:24:50,585 --> 00:24:53,985 Speaker 1: my Bougie is still pretty affordable, but more expensive than 472 00:24:54,025 --> 00:24:57,305 Speaker 1: my budget. I went in virtually to Bardo, another store 473 00:24:57,345 --> 00:24:59,665 Speaker 1: I have not shopped in in my real life for many, 474 00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:02,585 Speaker 1: many years. I was really impressed. I don't even know 475 00:25:02,585 --> 00:25:06,345 Speaker 1: if there's Bardo's stores anymore. There's definitely online, but I 476 00:25:06,385 --> 00:25:09,225 Speaker 1: haven't seen a store, gosh for years. So I've got 477 00:25:09,225 --> 00:25:13,905 Speaker 1: two cheating. The Ana high waist pant in ten. It's 478 00:25:13,945 --> 00:25:17,865 Speaker 1: a very high waisted, almost like suiting. It's called the 479 00:25:17,945 --> 00:25:25,065 Speaker 1: tailoring pants. They have got invisible little zip pockets, high waisted, beautiful, 480 00:25:25,145 --> 00:25:28,545 Speaker 1: falls delightfully one hundred and forty nine dollars. And then 481 00:25:28,545 --> 00:25:30,425 Speaker 1: the other thing I just had to mention, I know 482 00:25:30,465 --> 00:25:34,785 Speaker 1: I'm cheating. Is expensive for Bado. Two hundred and thirty 483 00:25:34,865 --> 00:25:36,905 Speaker 1: nine dollars and ninety nine cents, So two hundred and 484 00:25:36,905 --> 00:25:38,865 Speaker 1: forty bucks for a denim skirt. 485 00:25:39,425 --> 00:25:39,785 Speaker 2: Wow. 486 00:25:40,065 --> 00:25:43,105 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called the Zeta denim midi skirt and dark. 487 00:25:43,385 --> 00:25:47,665 Speaker 1: It almost gives me sort of age vibes or did 488 00:25:47,705 --> 00:25:50,305 Speaker 1: you know that very high waisted, sort of pleated, almost 489 00:25:50,385 --> 00:25:52,785 Speaker 1: coarseting around the waist and then sort of out to 490 00:25:52,825 --> 00:25:55,785 Speaker 1: a soft pleat in an a line. It's beautiful. So 491 00:25:55,825 --> 00:25:58,025 Speaker 1: two hundred and forty dollars is a lot for Bado. 492 00:25:58,185 --> 00:26:00,865 Speaker 1: But you would see this skirt and you would think 493 00:26:00,865 --> 00:26:03,465 Speaker 1: it was very, very extensive and very high end. And 494 00:26:03,465 --> 00:26:04,865 Speaker 1: the way you could start it, you could do a 495 00:26:04,905 --> 00:26:06,665 Speaker 1: came in a heel, you could do a tee in 496 00:26:06,705 --> 00:26:10,305 Speaker 1: a tank or a sandal. I am considering it, but 497 00:26:10,345 --> 00:26:11,745 Speaker 1: I do want to go and try it on in 498 00:26:11,785 --> 00:26:13,825 Speaker 1: real life. And I just the waist is so feminine 499 00:26:13,865 --> 00:26:16,345 Speaker 1: and flattering, and it's that really beautiful dark indigo denim 500 00:26:16,385 --> 00:26:17,705 Speaker 1: that you can really sort of dress up. 501 00:26:17,865 --> 00:26:20,305 Speaker 2: Sounds amazing. And can I just say on that note 502 00:26:20,345 --> 00:26:24,465 Speaker 2: being denim, this is one thing that I often advise 503 00:26:25,025 --> 00:26:26,985 Speaker 2: people that denim is denim. 504 00:26:27,185 --> 00:26:30,665 Speaker 1: Agreed, You don't have to spend a million dollars no, yeah, 505 00:26:30,745 --> 00:26:31,225 Speaker 1: I agree. 506 00:26:31,265 --> 00:26:34,185 Speaker 2: We find something that's a little bit unique, like the 507 00:26:34,225 --> 00:26:36,345 Speaker 2: bar doo. Yeah, go for it. 508 00:26:36,385 --> 00:26:38,345 Speaker 1: I love it. Oh Sally, I'm so glad to have 509 00:26:38,345 --> 00:26:40,305 Speaker 1: finally chatted with you. I've followed you for so long. 510 00:26:40,345 --> 00:26:42,265 Speaker 1: I love all your advice. So we'll pop a link 511 00:26:42,305 --> 00:26:45,065 Speaker 1: to your Instagram in the show notes so everyone else 512 00:26:45,065 --> 00:26:46,985 Speaker 1: can enjoy your wonderful wisdom. 513 00:26:47,385 --> 00:26:49,545 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Legh. It's been an absolute pleasure 514 00:26:49,585 --> 00:26:50,185 Speaker 2: chatting with you. 515 00:26:50,465 --> 00:26:54,465 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for listening to Nothing to Wear 516 00:26:54,625 --> 00:26:56,985 Speaker 1: now listen. Don't forget to sign up to our newsletter. 517 00:26:57,025 --> 00:26:59,985 Speaker 1: It's wonderful, it's fabulous. It's called Nothing to Wear, and 518 00:27:00,025 --> 00:27:02,305 Speaker 1: it's free. There's a link in the show notes if 519 00:27:02,305 --> 00:27:04,865 Speaker 1: you don't already get it in your inbox. 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