1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,384 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,424 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:26,504 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,544 --> 00:00:28,784 Speaker 1: to the Spill your daily pop culture thinks. 6 00:00:28,864 --> 00:00:31,424 Speaker 2: I'm Laura Brednik and I'm Concenu Lukitt. 7 00:00:31,424 --> 00:00:33,384 Speaker 1: And coming up on the show today, we have a 8 00:00:33,384 --> 00:00:36,424 Speaker 1: hot new romance that discuss Zoe Kravitz and Harry Styles, 9 00:00:36,464 --> 00:00:38,304 Speaker 1: although it's not all as it appears, so we're going 10 00:00:38,344 --> 00:00:41,944 Speaker 1: to get into that. Also, Serena Williams has launched a 11 00:00:42,064 --> 00:00:44,944 Speaker 1: very controversial new brand partnership, and we're going to get 12 00:00:44,944 --> 00:00:47,264 Speaker 1: into that because it is a complicated discussion, but we 13 00:00:47,304 --> 00:00:48,464 Speaker 1: can't shy away from it. 14 00:00:48,904 --> 00:00:52,144 Speaker 2: But first, but first, Okay, Laura, I saw this headline 15 00:00:52,184 --> 00:00:55,264 Speaker 2: immediately thought of you, and I thought Laura is going 16 00:00:55,344 --> 00:00:58,624 Speaker 2: to be so excited about this. There is going to 17 00:00:58,664 --> 00:01:03,584 Speaker 2: be a documentary about Gilmore Girls. Okay, that is not 18 00:01:03,624 --> 00:01:04,784 Speaker 2: the silence I was expecting. 19 00:01:04,904 --> 00:01:06,664 Speaker 1: I just I don't want to be a kill Joy, 20 00:01:06,704 --> 00:01:08,464 Speaker 1: even though that is my personal brand and I should 21 00:01:08,504 --> 00:01:09,864 Speaker 1: monetize that in some way. I don't want to be 22 00:01:09,904 --> 00:01:12,664 Speaker 1: a killed joy. But I did see this news this morning, 23 00:01:12,744 --> 00:01:16,744 Speaker 1: the Gilmore Girls documentary, and as much as I don't 24 00:01:16,784 --> 00:01:18,064 Speaker 1: mind that it's going to be in the world and 25 00:01:18,184 --> 00:01:21,224 Speaker 1: not saying other people can't watch it, I personally, as 26 00:01:21,304 --> 00:01:23,664 Speaker 1: one of the biggest Gilmore Girl fans in the world, 27 00:01:24,024 --> 00:01:25,024 Speaker 1: will not be watching it. 28 00:01:25,264 --> 00:01:27,744 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Well, I had all these things about 29 00:01:27,784 --> 00:01:29,184 Speaker 2: it because I was like, I've got to do all this, 30 00:01:29,304 --> 00:01:31,744 Speaker 2: you know, work for Laura to make sure she knows 31 00:01:31,744 --> 00:01:32,504 Speaker 2: that I'm across that. 32 00:01:32,904 --> 00:01:34,784 Speaker 1: Please, I want to know with you. 33 00:01:34,864 --> 00:01:38,384 Speaker 2: Okay. So it's the twenty fifth anniversary in October of 34 00:01:38,504 --> 00:01:42,344 Speaker 2: Gilmore Girls, which I'm sure you already know. The documentary 35 00:01:42,384 --> 00:01:46,424 Speaker 2: is going to be called Searching for Stars Hollow, Megna 36 00:01:46,544 --> 00:01:50,304 Speaker 2: Balakuma and Kevin Conrad Hannah are going to be the directors. 37 00:01:50,584 --> 00:01:52,984 Speaker 2: They've got one hundred hours of footage with all of 38 00:01:53,024 --> 00:01:56,184 Speaker 2: the cast. But Alexis Blodell doesn't seem to be in 39 00:01:56,224 --> 00:01:57,184 Speaker 2: it at this stage. 40 00:01:57,424 --> 00:02:01,904 Speaker 1: Yes, Alexis Blodell, who played Ruy Gilmore. She opted out 41 00:02:01,984 --> 00:02:04,704 Speaker 1: of The Handmaid's Tale final season except for one little 42 00:02:04,744 --> 00:02:07,064 Speaker 1: cameo her fan. She hasn't been working for a while. 43 00:02:07,464 --> 00:02:10,624 Speaker 1: And the rumor, which has kind of been substantiated and 44 00:02:10,664 --> 00:02:13,104 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why Again the Room Memel thinks 45 00:02:13,104 --> 00:02:16,104 Speaker 1: that another season of Gilmore Girls isn't being filmed is 46 00:02:16,104 --> 00:02:19,464 Speaker 1: because Alexis Bludell broke up with her husband, Vincent krassa 47 00:02:19,544 --> 00:02:21,864 Speaker 1: who people would know from Angel I kind of believe 48 00:02:21,864 --> 00:02:23,624 Speaker 1: those kids got married and had a son together, but 49 00:02:23,664 --> 00:02:25,824 Speaker 1: apparently they got divorced, and so she's taken a lot 50 00:02:25,824 --> 00:02:28,624 Speaker 1: of time off. But I think she there's potential that 51 00:02:28,664 --> 00:02:29,424 Speaker 1: she'll come back for this. 52 00:02:29,904 --> 00:02:34,264 Speaker 2: Hau, Why do you why does this not excite you? 53 00:02:34,304 --> 00:02:37,864 Speaker 2: Because I love like a you know, I love a documentary. 54 00:02:37,944 --> 00:02:39,904 Speaker 2: I love her behind the scenes, like I think I've 55 00:02:39,944 --> 00:02:43,264 Speaker 2: watched every single you know, behind the scenes of Lord 56 00:02:43,304 --> 00:02:47,784 Speaker 2: of the Rings or Making of This or Making of Friends, 57 00:02:47,784 --> 00:02:50,224 Speaker 2: Like I love that stuff. Like what is it about 58 00:02:50,224 --> 00:02:53,704 Speaker 2: it that isn't giving you like filling your cup? 59 00:02:54,104 --> 00:02:57,464 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's something so sacred about Gilmore Girls, 60 00:02:57,504 --> 00:03:00,384 Speaker 1: and I really want us to celebrate it. But I 61 00:03:00,424 --> 00:03:02,504 Speaker 1: think it was such a thing as picking over something 62 00:03:02,624 --> 00:03:05,584 Speaker 1: too much until like the carcass is just completely devoured. 63 00:03:05,624 --> 00:03:07,384 Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're in danger of doing 64 00:03:07,424 --> 00:03:09,704 Speaker 1: a little bit from Gilmore Girls. And again I say 65 00:03:09,704 --> 00:03:12,784 Speaker 1: this is the biggest Skillmore Girls fan. I've watched every episode, 66 00:03:13,144 --> 00:03:15,784 Speaker 1: not even joking, one hundred times at least, because I 67 00:03:15,824 --> 00:03:18,784 Speaker 1: watch it daily. When the new season came out Gilmore 68 00:03:18,784 --> 00:03:22,304 Speaker 1: Girls like the continuing season, I flew. I took time 69 00:03:22,344 --> 00:03:24,584 Speaker 1: off work. I flew to Queensland with my sisters so 70 00:03:24,624 --> 00:03:26,824 Speaker 1: we could all watch it together, and we watched it 71 00:03:26,864 --> 00:03:30,264 Speaker 1: through twice, once without talking so we could take it in, 72 00:03:30,304 --> 00:03:32,184 Speaker 1: and we watched it all through again talking, and we 73 00:03:32,344 --> 00:03:36,624 Speaker 1: themed all of our dinners and lunches around Gilmore Girl's food. 74 00:03:36,944 --> 00:03:39,424 Speaker 1: I've been to the set. I've touched Miss Patty's dance school. 75 00:03:39,424 --> 00:03:41,944 Speaker 1: I've touched the gazebo. I cried so much. I have 76 00:03:42,104 --> 00:03:44,544 Speaker 1: the mugs that were actually sold in Luke stein A, 77 00:03:44,744 --> 00:03:46,424 Speaker 1: not the fan mugs. I have that too, but I 78 00:03:46,464 --> 00:03:49,744 Speaker 1: have the actual mug. Like I love this series, but 79 00:03:49,824 --> 00:03:52,624 Speaker 1: I also think there has been so many behind the 80 00:03:52,664 --> 00:03:56,384 Speaker 1: scenes things released Luke on the show. The actor who 81 00:03:56,384 --> 00:03:58,184 Speaker 1: plays Luke on the show has a podcast where he 82 00:03:58,304 --> 00:04:02,104 Speaker 1: interviews people. Lauren Graham, who plays the lead Laura like Gilmore, 83 00:04:02,184 --> 00:04:04,384 Speaker 1: has written a book about it. Kelly Bishop, who plays 84 00:04:04,424 --> 00:04:06,304 Speaker 1: Elmy Gilmore, has written a book about it. And I've 85 00:04:06,304 --> 00:04:09,664 Speaker 1: read those books, and I've watched. All the creators and 86 00:04:09,664 --> 00:04:12,504 Speaker 1: directors in costumers all have their own Instagram series now 87 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:15,544 Speaker 1: where they do daily updates behind the scenes. I just 88 00:04:15,624 --> 00:04:18,424 Speaker 1: think I know too much about the making of the show, 89 00:04:18,464 --> 00:04:20,824 Speaker 1: and it's ruining the magic of the actual show. 90 00:04:21,184 --> 00:04:24,424 Speaker 2: Okay, so first of all, they need to interview you. 91 00:04:24,824 --> 00:04:28,304 Speaker 2: They actually do, because this is like I feel like 92 00:04:28,384 --> 00:04:31,504 Speaker 2: you know more than most people. So maybe it's it's 93 00:04:31,544 --> 00:04:35,224 Speaker 2: almost like there's just too much content out there of 94 00:04:35,264 --> 00:04:38,064 Speaker 2: the making off. But I feel like people do this 95 00:04:38,144 --> 00:04:41,904 Speaker 2: with when there's a big fandom behind a show, because 96 00:04:41,904 --> 00:04:45,944 Speaker 2: people keep wanting more, especially once you've watched something and 97 00:04:45,984 --> 00:04:47,984 Speaker 2: you know how you feel that thing, like if I 98 00:04:48,064 --> 00:04:50,744 Speaker 2: could forget that and do it all over again. 99 00:04:50,904 --> 00:04:52,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel like this. And again I'm not 100 00:04:52,624 --> 00:04:55,144 Speaker 1: saying other people can't watch it. I'm sure my family will, 101 00:04:55,184 --> 00:04:56,904 Speaker 1: and like maybe one day I will watch it because 102 00:04:56,944 --> 00:04:57,264 Speaker 1: I do. 103 00:04:57,504 --> 00:04:58,784 Speaker 2: You're definitely gonna watch it. 104 00:04:58,904 --> 00:05:01,064 Speaker 1: Well, I just feel like I don't want to ruin 105 00:05:01,104 --> 00:05:03,384 Speaker 1: the magic of this little town and stars Hollow and 106 00:05:03,424 --> 00:05:05,304 Speaker 1: I just feel like Gilmore Girls, one of the reasons 107 00:05:05,304 --> 00:05:06,904 Speaker 1: people love it is that it came at a time 108 00:05:06,984 --> 00:05:08,824 Speaker 1: or we didn't have access to all that, like I 109 00:05:08,824 --> 00:05:11,664 Speaker 1: would just watch it on it was originally on Tuesday Night. 110 00:05:11,704 --> 00:05:13,784 Speaker 1: I would watch it on Tuesday Night, my sisters and 111 00:05:13,784 --> 00:05:15,544 Speaker 1: my brother. He hates me saying this, but he watches 112 00:05:15,544 --> 00:05:17,304 Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls too. We all did as a family. We 113 00:05:17,384 --> 00:05:19,104 Speaker 1: would tape it on a VHS and we would watch 114 00:05:19,104 --> 00:05:21,384 Speaker 1: the episode over and over and over again until the 115 00:05:21,464 --> 00:05:24,784 Speaker 1: next episode came out. But we knew nothing about behind 116 00:05:24,784 --> 00:05:27,584 Speaker 1: the scenes or the characters, or the actors or anything 117 00:05:27,624 --> 00:05:29,064 Speaker 1: like that. It was in a little bubble. And I 118 00:05:29,064 --> 00:05:31,464 Speaker 1: think now we have too much access to behind the 119 00:05:31,504 --> 00:05:33,984 Speaker 1: scenes of our favorite shows to the point where and 120 00:05:34,024 --> 00:05:36,344 Speaker 1: I know not everyone has this problem, but I have 121 00:05:36,464 --> 00:05:39,504 Speaker 1: banned myself from interviewing anyone from my favorite shows. So 122 00:05:39,624 --> 00:05:42,464 Speaker 1: I've been offered so many interviews with Scott Patterson, who 123 00:05:42,464 --> 00:05:45,864 Speaker 1: plays Luke Dean's Absolutely Not. I've been offered interviews with 124 00:05:45,864 --> 00:05:50,144 Speaker 1: Alexis Bludell before Absolutely Not. And I've been asked to 125 00:05:50,184 --> 00:05:52,704 Speaker 1: interview Lauren Graham a few times, who played Laura le 126 00:05:53,304 --> 00:05:55,384 Speaker 1: And I did say, and this wasn't a joke, I 127 00:05:55,384 --> 00:05:57,184 Speaker 1: will quit my job before I talk to that woman. 128 00:05:57,544 --> 00:05:59,104 Speaker 1: It's because I can get a new job. I can't 129 00:05:59,104 --> 00:06:00,224 Speaker 1: get a new favorite TV show. 130 00:06:00,264 --> 00:06:02,784 Speaker 2: And I think it's also that whole adage of don't 131 00:06:02,784 --> 00:06:05,984 Speaker 2: ever meet your heroes. What if they're a bit mean 132 00:06:06,064 --> 00:06:08,104 Speaker 2: to you. Well that's the thing, well not mean, but 133 00:06:08,144 --> 00:06:10,984 Speaker 2: like what if it's not what you expected exactly? 134 00:06:11,024 --> 00:06:13,144 Speaker 1: And I just think once you have And this is 135 00:06:13,144 --> 00:06:14,784 Speaker 1: why I don't follow any of my favorite actors on 136 00:06:14,784 --> 00:06:17,184 Speaker 1: Instagram or anything either. I just think once you see 137 00:06:17,224 --> 00:06:19,944 Speaker 1: a person, not as a TV character where you are 138 00:06:19,984 --> 00:06:22,224 Speaker 1: supposed to live in their world. Movie actors are a 139 00:06:22,264 --> 00:06:24,384 Speaker 1: bit different because they're a different person every time, so 140 00:06:24,464 --> 00:06:27,864 Speaker 1: it's easier to suspend disbelief. But I think with movie characters, 141 00:06:27,904 --> 00:06:30,224 Speaker 1: even like if you have a great interview with them, 142 00:06:30,624 --> 00:06:33,264 Speaker 1: they are never that character to you again, that's lost forever. 143 00:06:33,384 --> 00:06:36,584 Speaker 1: They're always a person, is how I personally see it. 144 00:06:36,584 --> 00:06:38,424 Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think you shouldollow your favorite 145 00:06:38,424 --> 00:06:40,864 Speaker 1: actors on Instagram either. A boycott is what I'm saying. 146 00:06:40,944 --> 00:06:43,624 Speaker 2: I mean, I love her behind the scenes. Like often 147 00:06:43,664 --> 00:06:47,344 Speaker 2: when I watch shows, I will have IMDb up trivia 148 00:06:47,944 --> 00:06:50,224 Speaker 2: on my phone as I'm watching it. 149 00:06:50,704 --> 00:06:52,784 Speaker 1: That's ruining the world for you. You've got to experience 150 00:06:52,784 --> 00:06:54,424 Speaker 1: the world then you can go look up the stuff. 151 00:06:54,504 --> 00:06:57,224 Speaker 2: No, I love, I love listening and watching the trivia 152 00:06:57,584 --> 00:07:01,584 Speaker 2: and like seeing the behind the scenes and interviews like 153 00:07:01,704 --> 00:07:03,664 Speaker 2: I did it with and just like that, you know, 154 00:07:03,784 --> 00:07:06,504 Speaker 2: making of I love a documentary. 155 00:07:05,944 --> 00:07:07,704 Speaker 1: No, and again I do. I feel like people should 156 00:07:07,744 --> 00:07:09,224 Speaker 1: watch this, and I know they will, And there is 157 00:07:09,264 --> 00:07:11,424 Speaker 1: a huge appetite. Like I said, all the casts have 158 00:07:11,464 --> 00:07:14,544 Speaker 1: written books, there's so many podcasts, they still do so 159 00:07:14,704 --> 00:07:18,624 Speaker 1: many fan events and panels and interviews. It's still the 160 00:07:18,664 --> 00:07:20,424 Speaker 1: thing that they all get asked about. So there's a 161 00:07:20,504 --> 00:07:22,904 Speaker 1: huge audience appetite for it, and I think we should 162 00:07:22,944 --> 00:07:25,824 Speaker 1: celebrate it. But I just personally will not be watching 163 00:07:25,864 --> 00:07:26,544 Speaker 1: the documentary. 164 00:07:26,904 --> 00:07:27,824 Speaker 2: Okay, well, but. 165 00:07:27,784 --> 00:07:29,584 Speaker 1: I don't drink out of my Gilmore Girl's mug that 166 00:07:29,624 --> 00:07:30,544 Speaker 1: day in solidarity. 167 00:07:30,704 --> 00:07:33,144 Speaker 2: Well, we don't have a release date just yet, but 168 00:07:34,064 --> 00:07:36,104 Speaker 2: I won't keep Laura posted, but we will keep you 169 00:07:36,224 --> 00:07:37,024 Speaker 2: spillers posted. 170 00:07:37,184 --> 00:07:40,984 Speaker 1: Nana Nana so Zoe Kravitz. I mean, she's always living 171 00:07:40,984 --> 00:07:42,984 Speaker 1: on good life, but at the moment she's living a 172 00:07:43,024 --> 00:07:45,944 Speaker 1: particularly good life because she's on the press tour for 173 00:07:46,024 --> 00:07:48,504 Speaker 1: her new movie, Court Stealing, which I haven't seen yet 174 00:07:48,504 --> 00:07:50,144 Speaker 1: but i've heard is great and I'm very excited to 175 00:07:50,144 --> 00:07:52,784 Speaker 1: see it. And in the months leading up to this. 176 00:07:52,864 --> 00:07:55,424 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before on The Spill, is that 177 00:07:55,704 --> 00:07:59,144 Speaker 1: she's been very cozy on the press tour and red 178 00:07:59,144 --> 00:08:02,664 Speaker 1: carpets with her co star Austin Butler. And there's been 179 00:08:02,704 --> 00:08:05,504 Speaker 1: a few kind of sightings of them at after parties 180 00:08:05,584 --> 00:08:08,784 Speaker 1: and like matinees of you know, events, and all these 181 00:08:08,784 --> 00:08:10,864 Speaker 1: little kind of behind the scenes moments where people have 182 00:08:10,944 --> 00:08:14,424 Speaker 1: caught them hugging and whispering to each other, and the 183 00:08:14,544 --> 00:08:16,304 Speaker 1: rumor was that they were hooking. 184 00:08:16,184 --> 00:08:19,384 Speaker 2: Up and you know, being a bit cozy. And I 185 00:08:19,864 --> 00:08:23,144 Speaker 2: feel like Austin Butler also could very well be Zoe 186 00:08:23,224 --> 00:08:27,464 Speaker 2: Kravitz's type, because given her previous relationship with Channing Tatum, 187 00:08:28,144 --> 00:08:30,304 Speaker 2: I feel like they have the same energy. 188 00:08:30,544 --> 00:08:33,784 Speaker 1: Really, I find them completely different people, just because Austin 189 00:08:33,824 --> 00:08:36,584 Speaker 1: Butler is like, I'm a serious actor and I don't 190 00:08:36,624 --> 00:08:39,344 Speaker 1: know how to get into a role without becoming the 191 00:08:39,424 --> 00:08:42,464 Speaker 1: character and being a method actor, and Channing Tatum is 192 00:08:42,544 --> 00:08:44,384 Speaker 1: just a frat boy having a great time with a 193 00:08:44,384 --> 00:08:46,824 Speaker 1: great you know, business mind who's like there to make 194 00:08:46,864 --> 00:08:47,504 Speaker 1: a franchise. 195 00:08:47,624 --> 00:08:51,664 Speaker 2: I'm more talking about like looks wise, like vibes wise. 196 00:08:52,424 --> 00:08:54,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, but Austin Butler again like a kind of a 197 00:08:54,304 --> 00:08:56,624 Speaker 1: slight guy where his Channing Tatums is like beefy bro. 198 00:08:56,824 --> 00:08:58,664 Speaker 1: But anyway, the thing that the fun thing about Zoe 199 00:08:58,784 --> 00:09:00,784 Speaker 1: Kravitz is that you just never know which way she's 200 00:09:00,824 --> 00:09:03,424 Speaker 1: going to swing. She can go for Kyl Gosman, who's 201 00:09:03,464 --> 00:09:06,024 Speaker 1: more of a quiet, kind of serious artistic actor, her 202 00:09:06,064 --> 00:09:08,424 Speaker 1: ex husband who's also got a movie out now, and 203 00:09:08,424 --> 00:09:10,144 Speaker 1: I feel so bad for him because everyone's just calling 204 00:09:10,184 --> 00:09:13,024 Speaker 1: him Zoe Kravitz's ex husband, that poor boy. Or she 205 00:09:13,104 --> 00:09:16,104 Speaker 1: can swing towards Channing Tatum and now apparently people thought 206 00:09:16,104 --> 00:09:18,944 Speaker 1: she'd swung to Austin Butler. I just always got the 207 00:09:19,024 --> 00:09:21,784 Speaker 1: vibe that the way she talked about him was always 208 00:09:21,824 --> 00:09:23,504 Speaker 1: like a little bit cutting, but like in a kind 209 00:09:23,504 --> 00:09:25,704 Speaker 1: of like almost like a ribbing sister kind of way. 210 00:09:25,864 --> 00:09:28,024 Speaker 1: Like people on the press tour that they got asked 211 00:09:28,064 --> 00:09:29,624 Speaker 1: like what were their first thoughts of each other? And 212 00:09:29,664 --> 00:09:32,544 Speaker 1: She's like, Austin's funnier than I thought, He's more interesting 213 00:09:32,584 --> 00:09:34,224 Speaker 1: than I thought. He's more and I'm like, just say, 214 00:09:34,304 --> 00:09:36,184 Speaker 1: you thought he was an idiot before you met him. 215 00:09:36,304 --> 00:09:39,144 Speaker 2: I love that. I love those sort of undercutted compliments. 216 00:09:39,584 --> 00:09:43,224 Speaker 2: But we're wrong because there have been some sightings of 217 00:09:43,344 --> 00:09:47,424 Speaker 2: Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz walking arm in arm in Rome, 218 00:09:47,584 --> 00:09:50,264 Speaker 2: and now the rumor mill is just going nuts that 219 00:09:50,264 --> 00:09:53,224 Speaker 2: the two of them are together. So forget Austin Butler. 220 00:09:53,584 --> 00:09:54,984 Speaker 2: It is all about Harry's time. 221 00:09:55,544 --> 00:09:58,064 Speaker 1: He was a decoy. He was a red Harry. He 222 00:09:58,184 --> 00:10:00,104 Speaker 1: is just a poor boy trying to like lose his 223 00:10:00,224 --> 00:10:03,104 Speaker 1: elvis accent that's still plaguing him to this day. So 224 00:10:03,264 --> 00:10:06,824 Speaker 1: the photo of Zoe and Harry taken Italy, and yes, 225 00:10:06,904 --> 00:10:09,184 Speaker 1: I am trash because I've watched it many times. I've 226 00:10:09,224 --> 00:10:11,544 Speaker 1: zoomed in. I looked from all the angles to the 227 00:10:11,664 --> 00:10:14,304 Speaker 1: naked eye. They just kind of almost look like pals 228 00:10:14,544 --> 00:10:17,264 Speaker 1: because they're walking along. She kind of grips his arm 229 00:10:17,424 --> 00:10:20,784 Speaker 1: and then they kind of drop arms and they walk away, 230 00:10:20,944 --> 00:10:24,064 Speaker 1: and there's all these fan siding so having me trying 231 00:10:24,064 --> 00:10:26,704 Speaker 1: to hide it. They've just been strolling around the streets 232 00:10:26,744 --> 00:10:29,864 Speaker 1: of Rome together, not hiding it. Apparently, so many fans 233 00:10:29,864 --> 00:10:32,224 Speaker 1: have come up to them and asked for photos, and 234 00:10:32,264 --> 00:10:34,744 Speaker 1: every single fan has said that Harry Styles and this 235 00:10:34,784 --> 00:10:36,824 Speaker 1: is his thing. He always says no to a photo. 236 00:10:36,904 --> 00:10:39,024 Speaker 1: To a fan. He always says, do you mind if 237 00:10:39,024 --> 00:10:40,664 Speaker 1: I don't, because I'm just off line at the moment, 238 00:10:40,744 --> 00:10:42,904 Speaker 1: I'm not in that space. But he always takes their 239 00:10:42,944 --> 00:10:45,024 Speaker 1: hand and holds it as he tells them that so 240 00:10:45,064 --> 00:10:47,904 Speaker 1: that they don't walk away having a bad interaction with him. 241 00:10:48,264 --> 00:10:51,184 Speaker 1: And every fan who has had a handholding interaction with 242 00:10:51,264 --> 00:10:54,544 Speaker 1: Harry Styles, and there's been a few of them recently, 243 00:10:55,184 --> 00:10:58,424 Speaker 1: has said that Zoe has stood there very politely and 244 00:10:58,464 --> 00:11:01,184 Speaker 1: that they weren't engaging any sort of like it didn't 245 00:11:01,224 --> 00:11:03,824 Speaker 1: feel like a couple. But also that is what I 246 00:11:03,824 --> 00:11:05,584 Speaker 1: think you would do if you were trying to walk 247 00:11:05,624 --> 00:11:08,064 Speaker 1: around and be a couple without having people pap you 248 00:11:08,144 --> 00:11:09,064 Speaker 1: kissing or anything like that. 249 00:11:09,304 --> 00:11:12,344 Speaker 2: Okay, but this is a thing overnight. We saw a 250 00:11:12,424 --> 00:11:15,584 Speaker 2: Sauce has told People magazine, and I love a source 251 00:11:15,664 --> 00:11:19,264 Speaker 2: because who knows where that's come from. But multiple sources 252 00:11:19,304 --> 00:11:23,704 Speaker 2: apparently saw them kissing at the London premiere of Court Stealing. 253 00:11:24,104 --> 00:11:26,824 Speaker 2: So that is the latest on that one. So I 254 00:11:26,864 --> 00:11:29,584 Speaker 2: think there is actually more to this. It looks like 255 00:11:29,664 --> 00:11:32,664 Speaker 2: this is a legit couple. I think when the Austin 256 00:11:32,744 --> 00:11:35,864 Speaker 2: Butler and Zoe's stuff came out, everyone was kind of like, ah, 257 00:11:35,904 --> 00:11:39,464 Speaker 2: maybe it's probably just a pr move for the movie. 258 00:11:39,544 --> 00:11:42,784 Speaker 2: You know, they have to be together, Like this isn't legitimate, 259 00:11:43,104 --> 00:11:47,304 Speaker 2: but with Harry and Zoe, this one feels real. 260 00:11:47,584 --> 00:11:51,464 Speaker 1: Well, apparently he's been during the court stealing junkets. Again, 261 00:11:51,504 --> 00:11:53,064 Speaker 1: You and I do junkets all the time, But for 262 00:11:53,104 --> 00:11:54,744 Speaker 1: people who don't know, it's when you do all the 263 00:11:54,784 --> 00:11:56,944 Speaker 1: pre promo for a movie in the lead up to it, 264 00:11:57,024 --> 00:11:59,064 Speaker 1: So you have the people in the movie sit in 265 00:11:59,064 --> 00:12:01,424 Speaker 1: a hotel room for days with all the cameras and 266 00:12:01,504 --> 00:12:03,544 Speaker 1: lines and like a parade of journalists come in and 267 00:12:03,544 --> 00:12:06,064 Speaker 1: out into vetom. But what happens at a jun Kit 268 00:12:06,144 --> 00:12:07,904 Speaker 1: is that they kind of take over the whole hotel, 269 00:12:08,064 --> 00:12:10,584 Speaker 1: so there's like all these levels of security. They take 270 00:12:10,624 --> 00:12:12,784 Speaker 1: out all the rooms on the floor, all of their 271 00:12:12,824 --> 00:12:15,784 Speaker 1: teams stay there. They have makeup rooms and lighting rooms 272 00:12:15,784 --> 00:12:19,864 Speaker 1: and comms rooms and stuff. And apparently Harry Styles has 273 00:12:19,904 --> 00:12:22,304 Speaker 1: been hiding out at the hotel where they were doing 274 00:12:22,344 --> 00:12:26,304 Speaker 1: the court stealing junket, which does seem risky for if 275 00:12:26,344 --> 00:12:29,464 Speaker 1: you're having like a clandestine romance between two of the 276 00:12:29,504 --> 00:12:32,104 Speaker 1: most famous people in the world, does seem risky to 277 00:12:32,264 --> 00:12:36,384 Speaker 1: conduct that romance in a room filled with like different 278 00:12:36,384 --> 00:12:38,824 Speaker 1: people who work for them butt plus also filled with 279 00:12:38,904 --> 00:12:41,424 Speaker 1: every journalist you know, in the country, and people who 280 00:12:41,424 --> 00:12:43,144 Speaker 1: have been flowing in. But there's also a lot of 281 00:12:43,184 --> 00:12:44,824 Speaker 1: places to hide at a junket, there's a lot of 282 00:12:44,824 --> 00:12:47,384 Speaker 1: people moving around, there's a lot of like it's a hotel, 283 00:12:47,384 --> 00:12:49,384 Speaker 1: there's a lot of private rooms that you can book 284 00:12:49,424 --> 00:12:51,264 Speaker 1: out and have people not go into. So I actually 285 00:12:51,304 --> 00:12:52,384 Speaker 1: think it's the perfect cover. 286 00:12:52,584 --> 00:12:54,504 Speaker 2: And we also know that a lot of these big 287 00:12:54,504 --> 00:12:57,824 Speaker 2: hotels have like back entrances and you know, you can 288 00:12:57,864 --> 00:13:00,944 Speaker 2: go up the back way, you go through the laundry, 289 00:13:01,064 --> 00:13:04,144 Speaker 2: and like, I'm sure he's thought of all of that. Yeah, 290 00:13:04,184 --> 00:13:06,704 Speaker 2: but there has been a number of reports that he's 291 00:13:06,744 --> 00:13:09,184 Speaker 2: basically been following her around on this press. 292 00:13:08,944 --> 00:13:11,424 Speaker 1: Junk yet time at the moment, so I feel like 293 00:13:11,424 --> 00:13:13,384 Speaker 1: that's probably true because I feel like he's not working 294 00:13:13,424 --> 00:13:15,424 Speaker 1: in the factory to put out his sex toys, which 295 00:13:15,464 --> 00:13:18,424 Speaker 1: is his main release at the moment, and mine still 296 00:13:18,424 --> 00:13:19,024 Speaker 1: hasn't arrived. 297 00:13:19,104 --> 00:13:22,064 Speaker 2: Well not a special trial or maybe well, yeah, maybe 298 00:13:22,384 --> 00:13:25,224 Speaker 2: zhe will, Oh no, that's too naughty. 299 00:13:25,544 --> 00:13:28,024 Speaker 1: Yes, maybe I feel like Zoe Krawitz is the kind 300 00:13:28,064 --> 00:13:29,784 Speaker 1: of girl who give a very honest opinion of a 301 00:13:29,904 --> 00:13:32,864 Speaker 1: sex toy. But now the thing is so now everyone's like, 302 00:13:32,904 --> 00:13:35,784 Speaker 1: pretty sure they're dating, They're hanging out, all that sort 303 00:13:35,824 --> 00:13:38,064 Speaker 1: of stuff. He's been hiding in the bathroom of her 304 00:13:38,064 --> 00:13:40,704 Speaker 1: hotel room in the Junkart Hotel, which is very cute. 305 00:13:40,864 --> 00:13:43,784 Speaker 1: But now this idea has come up that Zoe Kravitz 306 00:13:43,784 --> 00:13:47,024 Speaker 1: has potentially upset all of her famous friends by dating him. 307 00:13:47,064 --> 00:13:49,824 Speaker 2: But why, I mean, Harry Styles has dated everyone. 308 00:13:49,944 --> 00:13:52,464 Speaker 1: Well, Zoe Kravitz and Taylor Swift are really good friends, 309 00:13:52,704 --> 00:13:55,104 Speaker 1: as evidenced by the fact that recently she had to 310 00:13:55,104 --> 00:13:57,264 Speaker 1: go and stay at Taylor's house with her mum during 311 00:13:57,264 --> 00:13:58,104 Speaker 1: the LA fires. 312 00:13:58,464 --> 00:14:00,744 Speaker 2: I love that story. Yeah, I love that story about 313 00:14:00,784 --> 00:14:03,464 Speaker 2: the snake. Yeah, yeah, and the whole bathroom that was 314 00:14:03,504 --> 00:14:04,744 Speaker 2: like my favorite day they lost. 315 00:14:04,544 --> 00:14:06,464 Speaker 1: To snake in Taylor Swift's house. But they've been friends 316 00:14:06,504 --> 00:14:09,144 Speaker 1: for a really long time, and obviously Harry Styles and 317 00:14:09,144 --> 00:14:12,224 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift dated for a while. I don't think Taylor 318 00:14:12,264 --> 00:14:13,624 Speaker 1: Swift would care. I'm just going to go out in 319 00:14:13,624 --> 00:14:15,744 Speaker 1: a limb not knowing any of these people personally that 320 00:14:15,824 --> 00:14:18,344 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's not going to care that Zoe Kravitz is 321 00:14:18,344 --> 00:14:21,384 Speaker 1: hooking up with her situation ship from many many years ago. 322 00:14:21,744 --> 00:14:23,984 Speaker 1: She'd probably been more likely to say like, hey, everyone 323 00:14:24,024 --> 00:14:27,024 Speaker 1: thinks that Harry Styles and I committed for Hicula manslaughter 324 00:14:27,104 --> 00:14:29,304 Speaker 1: because of all the lyrics in my songs, So just 325 00:14:29,344 --> 00:14:31,424 Speaker 1: watch out for that. But apart from that, go for 326 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:32,464 Speaker 1: Golden Date that man. 327 00:14:32,584 --> 00:14:35,304 Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like Hollywood as well is so incestuous. 328 00:14:35,424 --> 00:14:37,864 Speaker 2: If you actually did like a Venn diagram of who's 329 00:14:37,944 --> 00:14:41,304 Speaker 2: dated who, it would be like two degrees of separation. 330 00:14:41,464 --> 00:14:42,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all linked. 331 00:14:42,504 --> 00:14:46,664 Speaker 2: So I also I much prefer Harry Styles to Channing 332 00:14:46,704 --> 00:14:52,104 Speaker 2: Tatum for Zoe. But I have a personal gripe against Channing. Well, 333 00:14:52,144 --> 00:14:53,544 Speaker 2: I know, I know people are going to come for 334 00:14:53,624 --> 00:14:54,584 Speaker 2: me for this, and. 335 00:14:54,384 --> 00:14:55,104 Speaker 1: That's okay saying. 336 00:14:55,184 --> 00:14:57,904 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I just don't like his vibe. 337 00:14:58,024 --> 00:15:00,584 Speaker 1: I think that he got such a cool boy makeover 338 00:15:00,784 --> 00:15:03,304 Speaker 1: when he was engaged to Zoe Kravitz. Up until then, 339 00:15:03,344 --> 00:15:05,744 Speaker 1: he was always seen as this Hollywood doofist, which I 340 00:15:05,744 --> 00:15:08,384 Speaker 1: actually think is unfair to him because he started that 341 00:15:08,464 --> 00:15:10,864 Speaker 1: whole Magic Mike franchise. If you look at all the 342 00:15:10,904 --> 00:15:13,544 Speaker 1: leaked emails from Sony, he was the one like emailing 343 00:15:13,584 --> 00:15:15,424 Speaker 1: and maybe someone was gross writing for him, but it 344 00:15:15,464 --> 00:15:17,544 Speaker 1: does read like him. He was the one emailing with 345 00:15:17,584 --> 00:15:19,464 Speaker 1: the business plans. He was the one emailing about the 346 00:15:19,504 --> 00:15:22,504 Speaker 1: franchises and the ideas and stuff, like he knows how 347 00:15:22,504 --> 00:15:24,704 Speaker 1: to build a business. But he was always seen as 348 00:15:24,704 --> 00:15:27,384 Speaker 1: like a bit of an embarrassing, very non sexy, kind 349 00:15:27,424 --> 00:15:31,104 Speaker 1: of frat boy esque kind of person. But as soon 350 00:15:31,104 --> 00:15:34,144 Speaker 1: as he started dating Zoe Kravitz, he instantly got hotter. 351 00:15:34,464 --> 00:15:37,424 Speaker 1: He instantly was more appealing. He did that really wild 352 00:15:37,464 --> 00:15:39,664 Speaker 1: like photo shoot where he was half naked, and any 353 00:15:39,704 --> 00:15:41,424 Speaker 1: other time that would have been so embarrassing, but it 354 00:15:41,504 --> 00:15:44,184 Speaker 1: just was really hot. And as soon as they broke 355 00:15:44,304 --> 00:15:46,864 Speaker 1: up after he posted that photo of her sleeping, which 356 00:15:46,904 --> 00:15:49,104 Speaker 1: I do believe was a catalyst for their breakup, as 357 00:15:49,104 --> 00:15:51,184 Speaker 1: soon as they broke up, that hot factor just left 358 00:15:51,264 --> 00:15:52,744 Speaker 1: him again. It just fled his body. 359 00:15:52,944 --> 00:15:54,984 Speaker 2: Honestly, when I saw them at the Met Gala together, 360 00:15:55,744 --> 00:15:58,064 Speaker 2: my first thought was, oh, sooey, honey, you can do 361 00:15:58,144 --> 00:15:59,184 Speaker 2: so much better, I know. 362 00:15:59,304 --> 00:16:00,944 Speaker 1: But she does like she does love to do like 363 00:16:00,944 --> 00:16:04,544 Speaker 1: a like an outreach program for troubled Hollywood man and 364 00:16:04,704 --> 00:16:07,664 Speaker 1: like help them, help them be cool again and help 365 00:16:07,704 --> 00:16:09,704 Speaker 1: them like she's a good Samaraitan that way, And no 366 00:16:09,744 --> 00:16:12,184 Speaker 1: one talks about her charity work in that area. But 367 00:16:12,464 --> 00:16:14,704 Speaker 1: even in that photo of her like descending the met 368 00:16:14,704 --> 00:16:17,384 Speaker 1: Gala steps and her see through dress and Channing kind 369 00:16:17,424 --> 00:16:19,664 Speaker 1: of walking slightly behind her and like reaching out to 370 00:16:19,704 --> 00:16:21,744 Speaker 1: hold her hand. That is the hottest that man has 371 00:16:21,784 --> 00:16:28,824 Speaker 1: ever looked. I hated that, didn't like, No, I just have. 372 00:16:28,824 --> 00:16:31,784 Speaker 2: A it's a personal thing. And I just find him 373 00:16:31,904 --> 00:16:33,904 Speaker 2: a bit sort of like smarmy and. 374 00:16:34,064 --> 00:16:36,304 Speaker 1: Well, now that he's in his mid forties dating a 375 00:16:36,304 --> 00:16:42,224 Speaker 1: twenty year old, he's gone right back to be unattractive. Yeah, 376 00:16:42,384 --> 00:16:44,704 Speaker 1: so and now, I mean not that Harry Styles needed 377 00:16:44,704 --> 00:16:46,784 Speaker 1: the cool factor with Zoey Kravitz, but I do feel 378 00:16:46,824 --> 00:16:50,144 Speaker 1: it's also helping him. Like again, him strolling like confidently 379 00:16:50,184 --> 00:16:51,944 Speaker 1: through the streets of Rome with her hanging off his 380 00:16:52,064 --> 00:16:54,504 Speaker 1: arm and like trailing slightly behind him. That is the 381 00:16:54,544 --> 00:16:56,784 Speaker 1: hottest that man's looked for a while as well. So 382 00:16:57,184 --> 00:16:59,464 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm hoping we get that they're both 383 00:16:59,824 --> 00:17:02,784 Speaker 1: fairly private. I don't think they'll comment on it. I 384 00:17:02,824 --> 00:17:04,544 Speaker 1: think what they'll do is that they'll get to the 385 00:17:04,584 --> 00:17:07,224 Speaker 1: stage where they won't care if they get papped, and 386 00:17:07,264 --> 00:17:08,744 Speaker 1: they'll just kiss on the street and go out, but 387 00:17:08,784 --> 00:17:09,744 Speaker 1: they'll never address it. 388 00:17:10,024 --> 00:17:14,824 Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm looking forward to that moment. Okay, So 389 00:17:14,944 --> 00:17:17,824 Speaker 2: Serena Williams is in a little bit of hot water 390 00:17:18,384 --> 00:17:22,024 Speaker 2: after promoting something that a lot of people are a 391 00:17:22,064 --> 00:17:26,064 Speaker 2: little bit disappointed about. So over the weekend she was 392 00:17:26,104 --> 00:17:30,064 Speaker 2: talking to People magazine ahead of the US Open and 393 00:17:30,384 --> 00:17:33,984 Speaker 2: was talking about her fourteen kilo weight loss. Now, she 394 00:17:34,104 --> 00:17:37,984 Speaker 2: credited this weight loss to a US telehealth company called Roe, 395 00:17:38,264 --> 00:17:41,784 Speaker 2: which coincidentally, her husband Alexis o'hannian sits on the board 396 00:17:41,824 --> 00:17:45,384 Speaker 2: of and Roe promotes services for weight loss and is 397 00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:49,424 Speaker 2: known to promote GLP one agonis in the US. And 398 00:17:49,464 --> 00:17:51,544 Speaker 2: a lot of people are really upset about this because 399 00:17:51,584 --> 00:17:55,624 Speaker 2: Serena Williams is known as being athletic, incredible woman who 400 00:17:55,704 --> 00:17:57,584 Speaker 2: you know she won the Australian Open when she was 401 00:17:57,624 --> 00:17:58,864 Speaker 2: pregnant with her first child. 402 00:17:59,144 --> 00:18:01,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've going to say when I first saw that 403 00:18:01,944 --> 00:18:04,024 Speaker 1: she was taking part in this, and I read all 404 00:18:04,024 --> 00:18:06,424 Speaker 1: her words and I looked at all the information, but 405 00:18:06,504 --> 00:18:11,984 Speaker 1: I felt a real sense of just I mean, not surprised, 406 00:18:11,984 --> 00:18:13,544 Speaker 1: because I think this is the world we lived at 407 00:18:13,544 --> 00:18:16,544 Speaker 1: the moment, but I felt just like a devastating sadness 408 00:18:17,464 --> 00:18:19,984 Speaker 1: watching her do this. And it's not aimed at Serena 409 00:18:20,064 --> 00:18:22,064 Speaker 1: Williams in any way, And I do believe that they're like, 410 00:18:22,104 --> 00:18:23,504 Speaker 1: you should have a choice to do what you want 411 00:18:23,504 --> 00:18:26,424 Speaker 1: with your own body. And I do appreciate her coming 412 00:18:26,464 --> 00:18:31,144 Speaker 1: out and talking about using a particular medicine just because 413 00:18:31,424 --> 00:18:33,224 Speaker 1: part of the reason why she said she did it 414 00:18:33,304 --> 00:18:35,504 Speaker 1: is to relieve the stinger from other people in the 415 00:18:35,504 --> 00:18:38,144 Speaker 1: world who use that. But at the same time, I 416 00:18:38,184 --> 00:18:40,184 Speaker 1: don't think this is as simple as just saying like 417 00:18:40,344 --> 00:18:43,064 Speaker 1: it's one person's right to choose when it's wrapped up 418 00:18:43,544 --> 00:18:46,424 Speaker 1: in such a bigger issue, because the sadness here is 419 00:18:46,424 --> 00:18:49,104 Speaker 1: that Serena Williams is someone who is one of the 420 00:18:49,144 --> 00:18:52,624 Speaker 1: greatest athletes of all time and her body has just 421 00:18:52,704 --> 00:18:54,904 Speaker 1: defied the laws of nature over and over again with 422 00:18:54,984 --> 00:18:57,944 Speaker 1: what she's been able to achieve. But during her entire 423 00:18:58,024 --> 00:19:01,864 Speaker 1: career she faced this huge outpouring of very public abuse 424 00:19:01,904 --> 00:19:05,024 Speaker 1: around her body, where even at the height of her 425 00:19:05,264 --> 00:19:07,664 Speaker 1: athleticism and the height of her being a world champion, 426 00:19:08,104 --> 00:19:11,224 Speaker 1: people said her body was too big, it wasn't feminine enough, 427 00:19:11,704 --> 00:19:15,144 Speaker 1: that she couldn't be athlete because she looked a certain way. 428 00:19:15,224 --> 00:19:17,664 Speaker 1: She looked overweight, even though like looking at her it's 429 00:19:17,664 --> 00:19:21,104 Speaker 1: like all muscle and power. People would compare her to 430 00:19:21,144 --> 00:19:24,504 Speaker 1: different animals in a really derogatory way, so that marred 431 00:19:24,544 --> 00:19:27,744 Speaker 1: her entire career. And I can see now why she 432 00:19:27,784 --> 00:19:29,464 Speaker 1: wants to sort of talk on that. But at the 433 00:19:29,504 --> 00:19:33,704 Speaker 1: same time, she talks about the fact that in the 434 00:19:33,824 --> 00:19:36,544 Speaker 1: lead up to making this medical decision that she was 435 00:19:36,624 --> 00:19:41,544 Speaker 1: exercising up to five hours a day doing stair climbing, biking, running, 436 00:19:42,104 --> 00:19:44,584 Speaker 1: and she was doing all this activity. And I'm like, 437 00:19:44,624 --> 00:19:46,984 Speaker 1: if your body is at the state where it can 438 00:19:47,424 --> 00:19:51,224 Speaker 1: do five hours of activity at such a really high level, 439 00:19:51,664 --> 00:19:53,904 Speaker 1: that is an incredible feat. And I just find it 440 00:19:54,024 --> 00:19:56,464 Speaker 1: really disappointing that we can't look at a body and 441 00:19:56,504 --> 00:20:00,024 Speaker 1: celebrate that that that body was still seen as not 442 00:20:00,184 --> 00:20:03,624 Speaker 1: correct because it wasn't this smaller shape, and that the 443 00:20:03,664 --> 00:20:05,664 Speaker 1: greatest athlete in the world had to go and make 444 00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:08,744 Speaker 1: herself smaller. Yeah, you just find that really awful. 445 00:20:08,904 --> 00:20:11,664 Speaker 2: What I found really complic hated was the fact that 446 00:20:11,984 --> 00:20:15,904 Speaker 2: the reason row this company chose her. One of the 447 00:20:15,944 --> 00:20:18,184 Speaker 2: reasons is they say that they want to promote this 448 00:20:18,304 --> 00:20:21,344 Speaker 2: drug is like a lifestyle product as well. And the 449 00:20:21,464 --> 00:20:25,264 Speaker 2: problem also is that, you know, I understand that at 450 00:20:25,304 --> 00:20:28,824 Speaker 2: forty three years old. After two kids, your body changes. 451 00:20:29,184 --> 00:20:31,664 Speaker 2: This is something that happens to all women. You know, 452 00:20:32,064 --> 00:20:35,424 Speaker 2: my body has changed significantly since I had children. Once 453 00:20:35,464 --> 00:20:38,824 Speaker 2: you're in your forties, you started to become potentially perimenopausal. 454 00:20:38,944 --> 00:20:43,064 Speaker 2: So I understand that potentially that's what she's feeling. You know, 455 00:20:43,304 --> 00:20:46,024 Speaker 2: it's harder for her to lose weight, but for a 456 00:20:46,024 --> 00:20:48,024 Speaker 2: lot of women, it's harder to lose weight than when 457 00:20:48,064 --> 00:20:51,984 Speaker 2: you were twenty years old. But the problem is she 458 00:20:52,384 --> 00:20:56,304 Speaker 2: has spent her entire career being this strong woman, and 459 00:20:56,464 --> 00:20:58,504 Speaker 2: I kind of find it quite similar to like a 460 00:20:58,544 --> 00:21:00,504 Speaker 2: loon of Mayor. Like if someone like alone of Mayor 461 00:21:00,544 --> 00:21:03,624 Speaker 2: did something with these semi glue type products, that would 462 00:21:03,864 --> 00:21:07,384 Speaker 2: be quite disappointing to me as well, because it's about 463 00:21:07,384 --> 00:21:11,064 Speaker 2: that strength and power and celebrating a woman's body for 464 00:21:11,144 --> 00:21:17,744 Speaker 2: what it can do athletically, and promoting this product and 465 00:21:17,824 --> 00:21:19,944 Speaker 2: not just saying you're using it. I think she said 466 00:21:20,064 --> 00:21:22,784 Speaker 2: I was using it. That would be one thing, but 467 00:21:23,024 --> 00:21:27,504 Speaker 2: actively promoting it has created a lot of disappointment amongst 468 00:21:27,504 --> 00:21:28,184 Speaker 2: her fans. 469 00:21:29,024 --> 00:21:30,944 Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, is like you don't want 470 00:21:30,944 --> 00:21:32,824 Speaker 1: to be part of a pilm, which I don't think 471 00:21:32,824 --> 00:21:34,464 Speaker 1: we're doing here at all, and you don't want this 472 00:21:34,904 --> 00:21:37,864 Speaker 1: kind of stigma or abuse around people who take any 473 00:21:37,904 --> 00:21:41,424 Speaker 1: sort of medication. But I just find here that we're 474 00:21:41,464 --> 00:21:44,304 Speaker 1: pushing away a really important conversation and just replacing it 475 00:21:44,344 --> 00:21:47,704 Speaker 1: with another. Like at the moment, the whole conversation is 476 00:21:47,744 --> 00:21:49,864 Speaker 1: around like people should be able to take these medications. 477 00:21:49,944 --> 00:21:53,184 Speaker 1: There shouldn't be stigma all these sorts of things, And 478 00:21:53,464 --> 00:21:56,824 Speaker 1: we're kind of skating over the fact that it's only 479 00:21:56,864 --> 00:22:00,624 Speaker 1: becoming acceptable to have one very particular type of body. 480 00:22:01,024 --> 00:22:03,184 Speaker 1: And that's just not a visual effect, it's going to 481 00:22:03,224 --> 00:22:05,144 Speaker 1: have a huge flow and effect. Like we're now saying 482 00:22:05,184 --> 00:22:08,264 Speaker 1: that the most powerful athlete, the most successful athlete in 483 00:22:08,264 --> 00:22:11,264 Speaker 1: the world, wasn't good enough because her body wasn't smaller. 484 00:22:11,704 --> 00:22:14,944 Speaker 1: And I think that's making it even more impossible for 485 00:22:15,024 --> 00:22:17,904 Speaker 1: people who live in bigger bodies to survive in this world, 486 00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:21,704 Speaker 1: Like we're creating a world where you can't survive unless 487 00:22:21,704 --> 00:22:24,544 Speaker 1: you're skinny. And I think people might think that's dramatic, 488 00:22:24,584 --> 00:22:26,464 Speaker 1: But if you live in a bigger body and you 489 00:22:26,504 --> 00:22:28,984 Speaker 1: look at the statistics and you look at the conversation, 490 00:22:29,384 --> 00:22:30,984 Speaker 1: I don't mean to like bring the conversation down, but 491 00:22:31,024 --> 00:22:33,104 Speaker 1: We're in a pretty dangerous place because living in a 492 00:22:33,104 --> 00:22:36,104 Speaker 1: bigger body can mean that you lose job opportunities, It 493 00:22:36,104 --> 00:22:38,384 Speaker 1: can be that you lose money, It can mean that 494 00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:41,464 Speaker 1: you're unsafe being out in public spaces. It can mean 495 00:22:41,464 --> 00:22:44,984 Speaker 1: that you're denied health care or health services because of 496 00:22:45,024 --> 00:22:47,584 Speaker 1: the way you look. And that's becoming a big conversation 497 00:22:47,704 --> 00:22:51,064 Speaker 1: that's being diluted with this conversation of why don't you 498 00:22:51,064 --> 00:22:53,384 Speaker 1: just take this medicine and be smaller? And I think 499 00:22:53,384 --> 00:22:55,424 Speaker 1: that's a really dangerous place to be in and I 500 00:22:55,424 --> 00:22:57,624 Speaker 1: think like it shouldn't all be on Serena Williams, but 501 00:22:57,704 --> 00:22:59,184 Speaker 1: she has put it out there, and I think we 502 00:22:59,224 --> 00:23:00,624 Speaker 1: have to have a conversation around it. 503 00:23:00,744 --> 00:23:04,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we know about the benefits of this, 504 00:23:04,944 --> 00:23:08,584 Speaker 2: but there are also risks involved in taking these types 505 00:23:08,624 --> 00:23:11,024 Speaker 2: of drugs. So the data st just now that it's 506 00:23:11,024 --> 00:23:14,184 Speaker 2: about eight to ten percent of Americans using semi glue tides. 507 00:23:14,584 --> 00:23:17,784 Speaker 2: So in Australia, the TGA has approved a zepig for 508 00:23:17,824 --> 00:23:21,504 Speaker 2: the management of type two diabetes, while with Govi is 509 00:23:21,584 --> 00:23:26,824 Speaker 2: TGA approved for chronic weight management and Munjaro is also 510 00:23:26,944 --> 00:23:29,824 Speaker 2: registered in Australia for both type two diabetes and in 511 00:23:29,904 --> 00:23:33,544 Speaker 2: some adults chronic weight management. I think the other thing 512 00:23:33,584 --> 00:23:36,144 Speaker 2: that is confusing for a lot of people, and maybe 513 00:23:36,144 --> 00:23:40,784 Speaker 2: a bit jarring for Australians is the active promotion of 514 00:23:41,064 --> 00:23:45,584 Speaker 2: a drug and when you look at the images, you 515 00:23:45,624 --> 00:23:48,864 Speaker 2: see the video, we don't have that in Australia. You 516 00:23:48,944 --> 00:23:51,824 Speaker 2: can't do that is completely against the rules. And I 517 00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:53,744 Speaker 2: remember when I first moved to the US, one of 518 00:23:53,824 --> 00:23:58,104 Speaker 2: the biggest shocks to me was seeing different drugs promoted 519 00:23:59,024 --> 00:24:01,944 Speaker 2: as every second ad on TV. 520 00:24:02,264 --> 00:24:04,104 Speaker 1: And the kind of issue. And that's the thing I 521 00:24:04,144 --> 00:24:09,464 Speaker 1: think with celebrity endorsements around anything to do with medications 522 00:24:09,544 --> 00:24:12,544 Speaker 1: or lifestyle like that, is that you know, we're not 523 00:24:12,584 --> 00:24:14,664 Speaker 1: here to say what people should shouldn't take, like that's 524 00:24:14,664 --> 00:24:16,944 Speaker 1: between you and your doctors. But I think a discrepancy 525 00:24:16,984 --> 00:24:20,064 Speaker 1: that doesn't get talked about a lot is that celebrities 526 00:24:20,424 --> 00:24:24,544 Speaker 1: doing different heal things, taking different medications like in the 527 00:24:24,664 --> 00:24:27,624 Speaker 1: US and now in Australia a lot too, Like medical 528 00:24:27,664 --> 00:24:30,864 Speaker 1: access is so expensive and really hard to get, and 529 00:24:30,944 --> 00:24:34,424 Speaker 1: so if you're a celebrity or a multimillionaire like Serena 530 00:24:34,464 --> 00:24:37,784 Speaker 1: Williams is and you're doing something different with your health, 531 00:24:37,864 --> 00:24:39,904 Speaker 1: you have a team of doctors, and you have a 532 00:24:39,904 --> 00:24:42,784 Speaker 1: team of dietitians, and you have access to the very 533 00:24:42,784 --> 00:24:45,864 Speaker 1: best medical care to look after yourself while you go 534 00:24:45,944 --> 00:24:48,864 Speaker 1: through that, And average people don't have that, like some 535 00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:51,144 Speaker 1: of them can't afford a GP visit. So I think 536 00:24:51,224 --> 00:24:53,864 Speaker 1: also when we're talking about this, that part of it's 537 00:24:53,904 --> 00:24:56,784 Speaker 1: getting forgotten, and that's the celebrity side. I don't love. 538 00:24:56,864 --> 00:24:59,264 Speaker 1: I just think that if you're just watching a glossy ad, 539 00:24:59,384 --> 00:25:01,464 Speaker 1: or you're looking at a magazine headline, or you're sending 540 00:25:01,504 --> 00:25:04,384 Speaker 1: a clip on TikTok, you're not getting the full withth 541 00:25:04,424 --> 00:25:05,864 Speaker 1: of information that you would need. 542 00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:10,224 Speaker 2: Yeah, and alienating a portion of her fan base from you. 543 00:25:10,504 --> 00:25:14,064 Speaker 2: Where she came from, which was not a wealthy upbringing, 544 00:25:14,584 --> 00:25:19,864 Speaker 2: and healthcare in the States is notoriously expensive. We've got 545 00:25:19,864 --> 00:25:22,984 Speaker 2: issues here too, But you know the fact that this 546 00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:27,184 Speaker 2: is someone who has come from a underprivileged background and 547 00:25:27,304 --> 00:25:30,224 Speaker 2: fought her way and then now promoting something that is 548 00:25:30,344 --> 00:25:35,744 Speaker 2: extremely expensive is really alienating that audience. And many people 549 00:25:35,824 --> 00:25:38,344 Speaker 2: may say, why do we care. It's her body, she 550 00:25:38,384 --> 00:25:41,944 Speaker 2: can do what she likes, and yes she can, she 551 00:25:42,024 --> 00:25:45,344 Speaker 2: can absolutely do what she wants, but it does have 552 00:25:45,424 --> 00:25:46,384 Speaker 2: a knock on effect. 553 00:25:46,784 --> 00:25:48,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And I just think and I think we're 554 00:25:48,944 --> 00:25:51,504 Speaker 1: in this time at the moment where like people are 555 00:25:51,584 --> 00:25:54,664 Speaker 1: very fatigued by the fat acceptance movement and the body 556 00:25:54,664 --> 00:25:58,024 Speaker 1: image movement and all of those sorts of things, because 557 00:25:58,384 --> 00:26:01,424 Speaker 1: it felt like those movements were really on the rise 558 00:26:01,464 --> 00:26:03,544 Speaker 1: and real change were happening in the last couple of years, 559 00:26:03,584 --> 00:26:06,384 Speaker 1: particularly in the pop culture and entertainment and media space, 560 00:26:06,664 --> 00:26:08,304 Speaker 1: which is where a lot of us sort of look 561 00:26:08,424 --> 00:26:11,624 Speaker 1: to get a touch point of how the world is moving. 562 00:26:12,024 --> 00:26:14,624 Speaker 1: And the fact that all of those areas have regressed 563 00:26:15,184 --> 00:26:17,784 Speaker 1: now is a really disappointing thing. And like I said, 564 00:26:17,824 --> 00:26:19,624 Speaker 1: it makes it much more dangerous to live in a 565 00:26:19,624 --> 00:26:22,224 Speaker 1: bigger body. But I feel like at the moment, people 566 00:26:22,224 --> 00:26:24,424 Speaker 1: have a lot of fatigue with that conversation, and even 567 00:26:24,464 --> 00:26:27,824 Speaker 1: people who used to champion those topics are now like, Oh, 568 00:26:27,904 --> 00:26:29,984 Speaker 1: don't be a drag, don't talk about it, don't bring 569 00:26:30,024 --> 00:26:32,144 Speaker 1: it up. And I feel like that was the reaction 570 00:26:32,304 --> 00:26:35,104 Speaker 1: to a lot of the conversation around Serena Williams, was 571 00:26:35,144 --> 00:26:36,744 Speaker 1: that a lot of people were just like, I just 572 00:26:36,784 --> 00:26:38,024 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. I don't want to 573 00:26:38,024 --> 00:26:39,784 Speaker 1: have a conversation. I want to think about it. It makes 574 00:26:39,784 --> 00:26:42,064 Speaker 1: me feel bad and I'm bored with it. But I 575 00:26:42,104 --> 00:26:44,184 Speaker 1: think if you're one of those people who's saying you're 576 00:26:44,184 --> 00:26:46,424 Speaker 1: bored with it and people are being weird about the 577 00:26:46,464 --> 00:26:48,664 Speaker 1: conversation or anything like that, it's because you live in 578 00:26:48,664 --> 00:26:51,384 Speaker 1: a very, very privileged bubble that you get to turn 579 00:26:51,384 --> 00:26:55,344 Speaker 1: away from these conversations. And there's no easy answer for this, 580 00:26:55,384 --> 00:26:58,264 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, like, and there's no solution. It's 581 00:26:58,304 --> 00:27:00,424 Speaker 1: a messy conversation. But I think we have to sit 582 00:27:00,464 --> 00:27:03,264 Speaker 1: in a messy conversation to work through it, because pushing 583 00:27:03,264 --> 00:27:04,584 Speaker 1: it aside doesn't help anyone. 584 00:27:04,744 --> 00:27:07,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think this is necessarily an attack 585 00:27:07,624 --> 00:27:12,904 Speaker 2: on Serena Williams using a medication for herself. It is 586 00:27:13,024 --> 00:27:18,384 Speaker 2: part of a broader conversation on what this does and 587 00:27:18,584 --> 00:27:21,664 Speaker 2: how it affects people who look up to her as 588 00:27:21,704 --> 00:27:26,384 Speaker 2: a role model, and what it means for society in general. 589 00:27:27,104 --> 00:27:29,504 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the spill today. Guys, 590 00:27:29,704 --> 00:27:32,104 Speaker 2: if anything in today's EPP brought up anything for you, 591 00:27:32,344 --> 00:27:36,184 Speaker 2: we have some resources in the show notes. Don't forget 592 00:27:36,224 --> 00:27:39,344 Speaker 2: to follow this spill on TikTok and Instagram. We have 593 00:27:39,584 --> 00:27:42,304 Speaker 2: lots of fun stuff up there as well. This bill 594 00:27:42,424 --> 00:27:45,984 Speaker 2: is produced by Manisha Isswarren with sound production by Tina Mattalov. 595 00:27:46,424 --> 00:27:48,944 Speaker 2: We'll see you back here in your podcast feed for 596 00:27:49,024 --> 00:27:51,344 Speaker 2: all of the celeb headlines at eight am tomorrow with 597 00:27:51,424 --> 00:27:54,784 Speaker 2: Morning Tea, then back with another episode of the Spill 598 00:27:54,824 --> 00:27:58,704 Speaker 2: at three pm tomorrow. Bye Bye.