1 00:00:10,327 --> 00:00:13,047 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mom and MEA podcast. 2 00:00:13,727 --> 00:00:16,767 Speaker 2: Mama Mayer acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:16,807 --> 00:00:18,407 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:18,647 --> 00:00:21,967 Speaker 1: Hey, out Louders, it's meya popping into Ears on a Monday. 5 00:00:22,247 --> 00:00:25,687 Speaker 1: It's a pub holiday in a lot of states around Australia. 6 00:00:25,767 --> 00:00:28,807 Speaker 1: So instead of a regular episode today, we're going to 7 00:00:28,847 --> 00:00:31,127 Speaker 1: give you a little treat. If you've ever wondered what 8 00:00:31,207 --> 00:00:34,367 Speaker 1: Mum and MEA subscribers get. They get lots of things, 9 00:00:34,447 --> 00:00:39,767 Speaker 1: including free membership to our move fitness app, extra episodes 10 00:00:39,927 --> 00:00:43,367 Speaker 1: of No Filter and of course two extra episodes ab 11 00:00:43,367 --> 00:00:45,927 Speaker 1: out Loud every week. Today we're going to share one 12 00:00:45,927 --> 00:00:48,367 Speaker 1: of those episodes with you. It's a conversation that Jesse 13 00:00:49,047 --> 00:00:53,087 Speaker 1: Me and m Vernon had earlier this year about intuition. 14 00:00:53,607 --> 00:00:55,887 Speaker 1: It was hugely popular. Lots of people have wanted to 15 00:00:55,927 --> 00:00:58,167 Speaker 1: talk to us about this and it sparked a lot 16 00:00:58,247 --> 00:01:01,567 Speaker 1: of conversations among the out louders. Have a listen. 17 00:01:04,447 --> 00:01:05,087 Speaker 3: Hello. 18 00:01:05,687 --> 00:01:07,607 Speaker 4: We are very excited to be in your ears and 19 00:01:07,647 --> 00:01:11,287 Speaker 4: we have a special I would say guest, but. 20 00:01:11,287 --> 00:01:12,207 Speaker 3: You're more than a guest. 21 00:01:12,367 --> 00:01:12,687 Speaker 4: That's all. 22 00:01:12,767 --> 00:01:15,807 Speaker 3: Really, I'm just playing you. You don't leave, You're here 23 00:01:15,847 --> 00:01:18,167 Speaker 3: with me or and Jesse, but also and Vernam. 24 00:01:18,167 --> 00:01:19,607 Speaker 2: I'm here filling in for Holly today. 25 00:01:19,687 --> 00:01:20,807 Speaker 3: Ah, we are very excited. 26 00:01:21,607 --> 00:01:25,367 Speaker 4: I listened to a great podcast recently about intuition and 27 00:01:25,527 --> 00:01:28,207 Speaker 4: I've been desperate to speak to you both about it. 28 00:01:28,207 --> 00:01:30,207 Speaker 4: It was on Full Story and it was all about 29 00:01:30,247 --> 00:01:34,407 Speaker 4: the science behind your sense of intuition, and the host 30 00:01:34,607 --> 00:01:39,727 Speaker 4: interviewed a cognitive neuroscientist called Joel Pearson. He gave us 31 00:01:39,727 --> 00:01:41,687 Speaker 4: some rules as to when to trust your gut and 32 00:01:41,727 --> 00:01:44,887 Speaker 4: when not to. And he began with this story about 33 00:01:45,007 --> 00:01:48,767 Speaker 4: this guy who was climbing Everest and he was known 34 00:01:48,767 --> 00:01:51,087 Speaker 4: as having like an iron stomach, like he'd never get sick, 35 00:01:51,167 --> 00:01:53,367 Speaker 4: and he was just like he did these things all 36 00:01:53,407 --> 00:01:55,967 Speaker 4: the time. It was climbing Everest, and this was years 37 00:01:55,967 --> 00:01:58,127 Speaker 4: and years ago before everyone did it. He started to 38 00:01:58,167 --> 00:01:59,407 Speaker 4: feel really, really sick. 39 00:01:59,447 --> 00:02:01,887 Speaker 5: And he started to have doubts about pushing to the summit, 40 00:02:01,927 --> 00:02:04,967 Speaker 5: that it was perhaps too windy, they were too tired 41 00:02:05,087 --> 00:02:07,647 Speaker 5: and these different things. And as an inch their way 42 00:02:07,647 --> 00:02:09,727 Speaker 5: closer and close to that point of Noah Turn, when 43 00:02:09,767 --> 00:02:13,127 Speaker 5: the wind was howling up the mountain, he just got 44 00:02:13,127 --> 00:02:15,847 Speaker 5: this feeling. It became stronger and stronger until he said, no, 45 00:02:15,847 --> 00:02:16,247 Speaker 5: that something. 46 00:02:16,287 --> 00:02:16,967 Speaker 2: This is not right. 47 00:02:17,047 --> 00:02:19,167 Speaker 5: We're not going to do it. And he called He said, 48 00:02:19,167 --> 00:02:20,967 Speaker 5: I'm going to turn around and make my way back 49 00:02:20,967 --> 00:02:23,887 Speaker 5: to the camp. He convinced two of the others to 50 00:02:23,887 --> 00:02:26,207 Speaker 5: come back with him, but then another two said, no, 51 00:02:26,527 --> 00:02:28,367 Speaker 5: don't be silly, we're going to go to the summit. 52 00:02:28,407 --> 00:02:30,727 Speaker 5: We're going to make this thing. So the team split 53 00:02:30,887 --> 00:02:33,567 Speaker 5: and two of the individuals kept going, and the rest 54 00:02:33,567 --> 00:02:37,527 Speaker 5: turned around and started back climbing down the mountain. And 55 00:02:37,567 --> 00:02:39,687 Speaker 5: then I think about two hours later, they were still 56 00:02:39,687 --> 00:02:42,687 Speaker 5: climbing down and they heard noise and they looked up 57 00:02:42,727 --> 00:02:46,967 Speaker 5: and those two climbers came hurtling down and just missed them, 58 00:02:47,007 --> 00:02:49,327 Speaker 5: almost took John out as they were sort of down climbing, 59 00:02:49,407 --> 00:02:52,807 Speaker 5: so they'd fallen from the top and they unfortunately lost 60 00:02:52,847 --> 00:02:53,447 Speaker 5: their lives. 61 00:02:55,127 --> 00:02:59,407 Speaker 4: The point that Pearson is making is that all intuition 62 00:02:59,687 --> 00:03:04,967 Speaker 4: is is an unconscious understanding and gathering of information in 63 00:03:05,007 --> 00:03:08,087 Speaker 4: our environment that doesn't seem rational. 64 00:03:08,207 --> 00:03:08,407 Speaker 1: Right. 65 00:03:08,527 --> 00:03:12,327 Speaker 4: So Friggs, he was saying, you walk into a cafe, 66 00:03:13,527 --> 00:03:14,927 Speaker 4: and I don't know if you've ever had this, You 67 00:03:15,007 --> 00:03:16,447 Speaker 4: walk into a cafe and you go, nah, I don't 68 00:03:16,447 --> 00:03:17,927 Speaker 4: want to get my coffee from here and then you 69 00:03:17,967 --> 00:03:20,407 Speaker 4: go somewhere else, right, And he said you might even 70 00:03:20,407 --> 00:03:23,207 Speaker 4: not yes vibes or off. And he said, you might 71 00:03:23,207 --> 00:03:25,527 Speaker 4: not even have an answer. But what you've done is 72 00:03:25,607 --> 00:03:28,767 Speaker 4: you've smelt the smell of the coffee. You've seen the 73 00:03:28,767 --> 00:03:32,607 Speaker 4: fingers of the barista, you've heard the sounds in the kitchen. 74 00:03:32,647 --> 00:03:33,887 Speaker 3: You've picked up on an energy. 75 00:03:33,887 --> 00:03:35,407 Speaker 2: It's like a subconscious thing. 76 00:03:35,327 --> 00:03:40,527 Speaker 4: Completely exactly. And so it's something that you couldn't necessarily explain. 77 00:03:41,407 --> 00:03:43,727 Speaker 4: But if you're able to tune into your gut, and 78 00:03:43,767 --> 00:03:46,287 Speaker 4: he says that the research suggests some people are way 79 00:03:46,327 --> 00:03:48,567 Speaker 4: better at this than others. It's not an equal thing, 80 00:03:49,047 --> 00:03:51,087 Speaker 4: but if you are, it can give you a lot 81 00:03:51,087 --> 00:03:54,287 Speaker 4: of input, a lot of information about decisions to make. 82 00:03:54,327 --> 00:03:56,087 Speaker 3: Apparently women are better than men as well. 83 00:03:56,087 --> 00:03:59,247 Speaker 1: This is very true. I've often thought about something I 84 00:03:59,327 --> 00:04:01,967 Speaker 1: learned that said exactly what you've said, Jesse, which is 85 00:04:02,887 --> 00:04:07,327 Speaker 1: sometimes people are like, trust your gut or gut instincts. 86 00:04:07,807 --> 00:04:11,487 Speaker 1: It's not just woo woo, So it's actually the accumulated 87 00:04:11,927 --> 00:04:15,407 Speaker 1: wisdom of your whole life up until that point. And 88 00:04:15,567 --> 00:04:19,327 Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell talks about something called thin slicing, which is 89 00:04:19,527 --> 00:04:23,087 Speaker 1: when you make a very snap decision about something that 90 00:04:23,447 --> 00:04:27,767 Speaker 1: might seem impulsive, but is actually a very quick clicker 91 00:04:27,967 --> 00:04:31,847 Speaker 1: snapshot of the whole context of everything you know and 92 00:04:31,887 --> 00:04:32,607 Speaker 1: can see, and. 93 00:04:33,327 --> 00:04:34,607 Speaker 3: It's wisdom accumulated. 94 00:04:34,647 --> 00:04:37,247 Speaker 4: So people might say, oh, Maya has great intuition when 95 00:04:37,287 --> 00:04:40,967 Speaker 4: it comes to editorial sense. That's not wi wu. That's 96 00:04:41,007 --> 00:04:44,007 Speaker 4: a career that has compiled a lot of information. You 97 00:04:44,087 --> 00:04:46,607 Speaker 4: might even not be able to explain you're working out, 98 00:04:46,647 --> 00:04:48,527 Speaker 4: but what you're doing is going I know this works, 99 00:04:48,527 --> 00:04:50,887 Speaker 4: I know this doesn't work. So he says that your 100 00:04:50,887 --> 00:04:53,807 Speaker 4: intuition as well. You've got to have been doing something 101 00:04:53,887 --> 00:04:57,607 Speaker 4: for a while in order to have any real grasp 102 00:04:58,087 --> 00:04:58,367 Speaker 4: hon it. 103 00:04:58,767 --> 00:05:02,247 Speaker 1: But you know how, sometimes we say to kids when 104 00:05:02,287 --> 00:05:06,847 Speaker 1: we're talking about possible predators or situations, if something just 105 00:05:07,047 --> 00:05:09,527 Speaker 1: feels wrong, if you've got a funny feeling and you're 106 00:05:09,527 --> 00:05:15,047 Speaker 1: tummy about a person or about a situation, listen to it. 107 00:05:16,167 --> 00:05:18,727 Speaker 1: Do kids have that they don't necessarily have a lot 108 00:05:18,727 --> 00:05:19,727 Speaker 1: of life experience. 109 00:05:19,767 --> 00:05:22,927 Speaker 3: So there's a few things going on there. 110 00:05:23,087 --> 00:05:26,527 Speaker 4: The first is that he would say socially, there's a 111 00:05:26,567 --> 00:05:29,607 Speaker 4: lot of cues that we pick up on, which is 112 00:05:29,687 --> 00:05:32,647 Speaker 4: that the person might be speaking to in a way 113 00:05:32,647 --> 00:05:34,447 Speaker 4: you're not used to be to being spoken to while 114 00:05:34,447 --> 00:05:36,847 Speaker 4: they're trying to get you to come with them or 115 00:05:37,407 --> 00:05:37,767 Speaker 4: you know. 116 00:05:37,887 --> 00:05:39,807 Speaker 1: So it does tap into some wisdom that's. 117 00:05:39,767 --> 00:05:43,167 Speaker 4: Yeah, like reptilian almost, that's kind of like, oh, there's 118 00:05:43,167 --> 00:05:45,647 Speaker 4: some part of my brain that's my spidery senses are 119 00:05:45,687 --> 00:05:46,327 Speaker 4: going off here. 120 00:05:46,567 --> 00:05:47,807 Speaker 1: Do you have spider senses? 121 00:05:48,407 --> 00:05:50,887 Speaker 2: I don't think I do. I have always been a 122 00:05:50,927 --> 00:05:53,047 Speaker 2: bit of a skeptic when it came to people talking 123 00:05:53,087 --> 00:05:56,087 Speaker 2: about the intuition, just because I've had people in my 124 00:05:56,167 --> 00:05:58,287 Speaker 2: life who have been like, oh my god, I feel 125 00:05:58,287 --> 00:06:00,287 Speaker 2: like I'm my car's going to crash. I'm going to 126 00:06:00,567 --> 00:06:02,207 Speaker 2: get into a car crash, and I'm like, that is 127 00:06:02,407 --> 00:06:04,607 Speaker 2: too much, Like that's not an intuition. I don't think. 128 00:06:05,167 --> 00:06:09,087 Speaker 2: But I did have a big experience when I was eighteen, 129 00:06:09,087 --> 00:06:11,207 Speaker 2: so ten years ago that's kind of stuck with me. 130 00:06:11,327 --> 00:06:14,487 Speaker 2: I was in London by myself and I was at 131 00:06:14,527 --> 00:06:17,207 Speaker 2: a cinema. It was around ten pm when the movie ended, 132 00:06:17,247 --> 00:06:19,687 Speaker 2: and I had to walk back from a cinema back 133 00:06:19,727 --> 00:06:21,247 Speaker 2: to the house that I was staying in. It was 134 00:06:21,487 --> 00:06:24,647 Speaker 2: really dark, it was raining as well, and I just 135 00:06:25,447 --> 00:06:28,287 Speaker 2: felt like someone was following me. Yeah, and every time 136 00:06:28,287 --> 00:06:30,247 Speaker 2: I turned around, no one was there, and I turned 137 00:06:30,247 --> 00:06:32,047 Speaker 2: around probably three or four times. But I was also 138 00:06:32,087 --> 00:06:35,247 Speaker 2: walking like parallel to a bridge, where people could kind 139 00:06:35,247 --> 00:06:37,207 Speaker 2: of like duck in and out of the bridge if 140 00:06:37,207 --> 00:06:39,687 Speaker 2: they were really following me, so it was easy to hide. 141 00:06:40,047 --> 00:06:42,327 Speaker 2: And I just thought that I felt so stupid because 142 00:06:42,327 --> 00:06:46,007 Speaker 2: I just kept turning around. I went around a corner 143 00:06:46,047 --> 00:06:49,847 Speaker 2: and I just waited, and then I couldn't hear anyone. 144 00:06:50,007 --> 00:06:53,247 Speaker 2: So I went back into the street. And the minute 145 00:06:53,247 --> 00:06:55,887 Speaker 2: I turned back into the street, I was face to 146 00:06:55,967 --> 00:06:59,527 Speaker 2: face with this man. Oh wow, he was behind me 147 00:06:59,647 --> 00:07:01,447 Speaker 2: the whole time. He was actually much taller, so I 148 00:07:01,487 --> 00:07:04,487 Speaker 2: was like literally looking into his chest and he didn't move. 149 00:07:04,687 --> 00:07:07,487 Speaker 2: He was just like standing there, like my nose could 150 00:07:07,527 --> 00:07:11,567 Speaker 2: touch his chest basically, And I screamed and I ran 151 00:07:11,607 --> 00:07:14,767 Speaker 2: into a pub and I was just like to the bars, 152 00:07:14,807 --> 00:07:16,767 Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm staying here until like that 153 00:07:16,887 --> 00:07:18,367 Speaker 2: man leaves where I think it's safe. 154 00:07:18,407 --> 00:07:21,807 Speaker 4: So is that that is definitely intuition? 155 00:07:21,887 --> 00:07:22,767 Speaker 3: I think what's the difference. 156 00:07:22,807 --> 00:07:25,327 Speaker 1: So intuition makes something sound kind of woo woo, like 157 00:07:25,367 --> 00:07:28,647 Speaker 1: as if you can see the future, right, But gut instinct, 158 00:07:28,767 --> 00:07:30,767 Speaker 1: I think that it feels more tangible. 159 00:07:31,207 --> 00:07:34,047 Speaker 4: I think they're both right, because I think everyone knows 160 00:07:34,087 --> 00:07:37,007 Speaker 4: experience of standing in a room and let's say I'm 161 00:07:37,007 --> 00:07:40,927 Speaker 4: facing you both the experience of knowing someone else has 162 00:07:40,967 --> 00:07:42,527 Speaker 4: walked into the room, but you haven't turned around to 163 00:07:42,527 --> 00:07:45,047 Speaker 4: see them. You know, there's just an energy sometimes, and 164 00:07:45,087 --> 00:07:48,207 Speaker 4: it could be that you're unconsciously you've heard a sound, 165 00:07:48,327 --> 00:07:50,727 Speaker 4: you've smelt something like, it could be something you just 166 00:07:50,727 --> 00:07:52,727 Speaker 4: feel the energy in the room change for other people's 167 00:07:52,727 --> 00:07:57,247 Speaker 4: reactions exactly. So some part of your brain had picked 168 00:07:57,327 --> 00:08:00,047 Speaker 4: up that you weren't safe and that it wasn't a 169 00:08:00,087 --> 00:08:02,567 Speaker 4: safe situation, but also that there was someone else there. 170 00:08:03,087 --> 00:08:05,647 Speaker 4: And it's like a survival instinct, I suppose, and in 171 00:08:05,687 --> 00:08:09,567 Speaker 4: a lot of ways where we often ignore that or 172 00:08:09,607 --> 00:08:12,007 Speaker 4: we think that we're being silly or over the top. 173 00:08:12,407 --> 00:08:15,127 Speaker 1: I have two questions about this, and maybe they discussed 174 00:08:15,167 --> 00:08:17,767 Speaker 1: it on this podcast. The first is the effect of anxiety, 175 00:08:18,207 --> 00:08:21,687 Speaker 1: and the second is the effect of alcohol or drugs. 176 00:08:22,047 --> 00:08:24,287 Speaker 4: Yes, so they did talk about both of those things. 177 00:08:24,847 --> 00:08:28,207 Speaker 4: The anxiety thing. This has been my biggest question because 178 00:08:28,287 --> 00:08:30,887 Speaker 4: I wake up every day with the sense that something 179 00:08:30,927 --> 00:08:32,927 Speaker 4: bad's gonna happen. I wrote a whole book about it. 180 00:08:32,927 --> 00:08:35,887 Speaker 4: It's like I will go to bed. 181 00:08:35,727 --> 00:08:38,767 Speaker 3: And I'll go I've got that feeling my dad's gonna die. 182 00:08:38,887 --> 00:08:39,487 Speaker 3: I've got it. 183 00:08:39,647 --> 00:08:43,527 Speaker 4: You know, you just get bad or I'll think, oh, 184 00:08:43,647 --> 00:08:46,047 Speaker 4: something good's happened in my life, I think something bad 185 00:08:46,127 --> 00:08:50,247 Speaker 4: is gonna like And it's almost a superstitious anxiety thing 186 00:08:50,287 --> 00:08:51,967 Speaker 4: that you've lived with forever. It doesn't matter that the 187 00:08:51,967 --> 00:08:54,207 Speaker 4: bad thing never happens, it's just kind of always there. 188 00:08:54,767 --> 00:08:56,447 Speaker 4: And he said that you need to have the self 189 00:08:56,447 --> 00:09:00,647 Speaker 4: awareness that you're feeling anxious because it will completely interrupt 190 00:09:00,927 --> 00:09:03,407 Speaker 4: and kind of set you on the wrong path. 191 00:09:03,567 --> 00:09:06,007 Speaker 1: Yes, because I've had that a lot. Yeah, when I 192 00:09:06,127 --> 00:09:09,607 Speaker 1: was really scared of flying, you know, you read those 193 00:09:09,647 --> 00:09:11,887 Speaker 1: things about after plane crashes and someone will go, I 194 00:09:12,087 --> 00:09:14,207 Speaker 1: just had a feeling that I shouldn't get on that 195 00:09:14,287 --> 00:09:16,447 Speaker 1: plane and lo and behold, it fell out of the sky. 196 00:09:17,047 --> 00:09:20,327 Speaker 1: And so the problem is that every flight I would 197 00:09:20,327 --> 00:09:24,367 Speaker 1: feel that. And so, like, anxiety really affected my ability 198 00:09:24,407 --> 00:09:28,047 Speaker 1: to trust my instincts in every sense because they were 199 00:09:28,087 --> 00:09:31,487 Speaker 1: always telling me that every situation was dangerous and that 200 00:09:31,567 --> 00:09:35,247 Speaker 1: the worst possible thing was going to happen every single time. 201 00:09:35,567 --> 00:09:39,207 Speaker 1: So I did completely lose faith in. 202 00:09:39,407 --> 00:09:42,807 Speaker 4: And how do you undo that, because the thing about 203 00:09:42,847 --> 00:09:45,567 Speaker 4: anxiety is that you're you're completely convinced. And then we 204 00:09:45,647 --> 00:09:48,767 Speaker 4: do have this science of gut, science of instinct stuff 205 00:09:48,767 --> 00:09:51,687 Speaker 4: that's like follow it, trust it, you know, don't be 206 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:53,567 Speaker 4: talked out of it. But then you actually got some 207 00:09:53,647 --> 00:09:54,767 Speaker 4: help about flying, didn't you. 208 00:09:55,367 --> 00:09:58,367 Speaker 1: I did? But also I had medication to treat my anxiety, 209 00:09:58,447 --> 00:09:59,247 Speaker 1: and I guess. 210 00:09:59,007 --> 00:10:00,887 Speaker 4: Exposure therapy and the more you get on a plane 211 00:10:00,927 --> 00:10:02,687 Speaker 4: and it doesn't crash, yes. 212 00:10:02,927 --> 00:10:06,007 Speaker 1: No, a couple of things helped. What's hard to explain 213 00:10:06,007 --> 00:10:08,327 Speaker 1: about when you're scared of flying is that it's not 214 00:10:08,367 --> 00:10:11,607 Speaker 1: that you're scared plane is going to crash. You know 215 00:10:11,967 --> 00:10:15,407 Speaker 1: it's going to crash, like it's almost already crashed, and 216 00:10:15,007 --> 00:10:19,447 Speaker 1: you're in a state of being in the middle of 217 00:10:19,487 --> 00:10:22,847 Speaker 1: the crash at all times. Every time the plane would 218 00:10:22,887 --> 00:10:23,927 Speaker 1: touch down, I would be. 219 00:10:23,927 --> 00:10:27,447 Speaker 3: Like, oh, yeah, I. 220 00:10:27,407 --> 00:10:30,887 Speaker 1: Was so shocked. Yeah, the landing safely was the shock 221 00:10:31,047 --> 00:10:32,007 Speaker 1: every single time. 222 00:10:32,167 --> 00:10:33,607 Speaker 5: And that's one of the things that you know, people 223 00:10:34,007 --> 00:10:35,647 Speaker 5: have a fear of flying, they're about to get on 224 00:10:35,687 --> 00:10:39,767 Speaker 5: the plane and they're having that strong emotional response, They're 225 00:10:39,887 --> 00:10:43,167 Speaker 5: often going to confuse that with something like intuition or premonition. 226 00:10:43,687 --> 00:10:46,047 Speaker 5: I'm feeling this because something's going to happen to the plane, 227 00:10:46,687 --> 00:10:47,607 Speaker 5: and it's very tempting. 228 00:10:47,687 --> 00:10:47,927 Speaker 1: Right. 229 00:10:48,087 --> 00:10:51,687 Speaker 5: I've had ang bouts of anxiety, and the emotional feelings 230 00:10:51,727 --> 00:10:54,407 Speaker 5: can be very strong, and you start to think it's 231 00:10:54,447 --> 00:10:56,607 Speaker 5: so strong it must be there for a good reason, 232 00:10:56,647 --> 00:10:58,447 Speaker 5: and that reason must be something to do with things 233 00:10:58,487 --> 00:11:00,567 Speaker 5: out in the world, not because of me. So that 234 00:11:00,647 --> 00:11:03,807 Speaker 5: emotional thinking, that stress anxiety, is one I think people 235 00:11:03,807 --> 00:11:04,527 Speaker 5: will confuse. 236 00:11:04,847 --> 00:11:07,887 Speaker 1: I'm very poorous to energy. I'm terrible at being around 237 00:11:07,967 --> 00:11:10,847 Speaker 1: people who are on drugs. When I'm around people who are, 238 00:11:11,607 --> 00:11:12,727 Speaker 1: it's like I catch it. 239 00:11:13,287 --> 00:11:14,807 Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally understand that. 240 00:11:15,007 --> 00:11:18,887 Speaker 1: So I can't even go like big events, big parties 241 00:11:18,927 --> 00:11:22,367 Speaker 1: where there's lots of drugs. I can't even go near 242 00:11:22,407 --> 00:11:25,647 Speaker 1: them because I feel like I'm on the drugs. 243 00:11:25,727 --> 00:11:29,087 Speaker 4: Do you feel about it because of that skill to 244 00:11:29,127 --> 00:11:31,407 Speaker 4: a certain extent, do you feel like you have good 245 00:11:31,527 --> 00:11:33,807 Speaker 4: social intuition in terms of. 246 00:11:34,047 --> 00:11:36,247 Speaker 1: No, I've got the worst in the world. Really, I'm 247 00:11:36,287 --> 00:11:42,807 Speaker 1: the worst judge of character in the world, Like the worst. 248 00:11:43,127 --> 00:11:45,087 Speaker 3: How about you, M Do you think I'm like a 249 00:11:45,087 --> 00:11:45,687 Speaker 3: gold retreat? 250 00:11:45,767 --> 00:11:48,607 Speaker 4: You know, people, there are some people who say I 251 00:11:48,687 --> 00:11:50,887 Speaker 4: can tell in an instant whether someone's good or bad, 252 00:11:51,007 --> 00:11:51,447 Speaker 4: Like what do you. 253 00:11:51,367 --> 00:11:51,927 Speaker 3: Know your record? 254 00:11:51,967 --> 00:11:54,407 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell first fifteen seconds, I can tell. 255 00:11:54,487 --> 00:11:55,607 Speaker 1: Can you tell about someone? 256 00:11:55,847 --> 00:11:57,927 Speaker 2: It's their energy? Like I don't know how to explain it, 257 00:11:57,967 --> 00:11:59,687 Speaker 2: and I know I said I'm a skeptic, but it's that. 258 00:11:59,927 --> 00:12:03,287 Speaker 2: And it's also the anxiety I get when I'm talking 259 00:12:03,327 --> 00:12:03,887 Speaker 2: to them. 260 00:12:04,127 --> 00:12:05,047 Speaker 3: Because how your body. 261 00:12:05,687 --> 00:12:10,407 Speaker 2: Because I do think actually anxiety does help intuition, Like 262 00:12:10,447 --> 00:12:13,247 Speaker 2: that whole walk from the cinema back home, I was anxious. 263 00:12:13,327 --> 00:12:15,407 Speaker 2: It wasn't like I was like, oh, yeah, someone's probably following. 264 00:12:15,567 --> 00:12:17,167 Speaker 1: I was gonna say. I feel like that every time 265 00:12:17,207 --> 00:12:18,007 Speaker 1: I go anywhere. 266 00:12:18,087 --> 00:12:20,967 Speaker 2: And I think the reason that I feel like I 267 00:12:20,967 --> 00:12:23,207 Speaker 2: can switch and say it was an anxiety was intuition 268 00:12:23,367 --> 00:12:26,487 Speaker 2: was because I was proved right yeah, Whereas if there 269 00:12:26,567 --> 00:12:28,407 Speaker 2: wasn't a man there, I would have probably just told 270 00:12:28,407 --> 00:12:30,247 Speaker 2: the story as I just had this really anxious man. 271 00:12:30,367 --> 00:12:32,567 Speaker 1: Have you had other times when you've gone and you've gone, oh, 272 00:12:32,607 --> 00:12:34,727 Speaker 1: looking around and I feel like there's someone following me 273 00:12:34,807 --> 00:12:35,847 Speaker 1: and there never was. 274 00:12:36,127 --> 00:12:39,487 Speaker 2: I get it. Sometimes we're dating, like especially going on 275 00:12:39,567 --> 00:12:42,807 Speaker 2: first date, I think in a way where I think 276 00:12:42,927 --> 00:12:45,927 Speaker 2: I'm in a dangerous situation and I'm actually not, just 277 00:12:45,967 --> 00:12:47,967 Speaker 2: because I'm meeting someone for the first time and I 278 00:12:48,047 --> 00:12:50,207 Speaker 2: don't know who they are, and that's just more of 279 00:12:50,287 --> 00:12:51,887 Speaker 2: like i'd rather be safe than sorry. 280 00:12:51,967 --> 00:12:54,727 Speaker 1: That's also your reptilian brain protecting you, right. 281 00:12:54,687 --> 00:12:57,727 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it's also just like a single woman 282 00:12:57,727 --> 00:12:59,887 Speaker 2: who's alone with a man. So I think that's just 283 00:12:59,887 --> 00:13:02,607 Speaker 2: like what all women would feel. Like course, yeah, I. 284 00:13:02,527 --> 00:13:05,767 Speaker 4: Feel the social thing very much like I think I'm 285 00:13:05,967 --> 00:13:10,367 Speaker 4: very sensitive to walking into a dynamic. I sometimes if 286 00:13:10,407 --> 00:13:12,727 Speaker 4: there's people that I don't know whatever and being like, oh, 287 00:13:12,767 --> 00:13:13,727 Speaker 4: what has technomy? 288 00:13:14,007 --> 00:13:17,087 Speaker 2: Like what's going on? 289 00:13:17,567 --> 00:13:19,767 Speaker 4: There's nothing said, but it's like I can feel that, 290 00:13:19,887 --> 00:13:21,807 Speaker 4: I could see the body language, I can see this 291 00:13:21,887 --> 00:13:25,247 Speaker 4: partner doing this and blah like that. I can very 292 00:13:25,327 --> 00:13:28,687 Speaker 4: much tell. But my mum has a story of intuition, 293 00:13:28,847 --> 00:13:31,527 Speaker 4: which was that I think she was only maybe year 294 00:13:31,567 --> 00:13:33,887 Speaker 4: six or year seven. It was summer holidays and she 295 00:13:33,927 --> 00:13:36,927 Speaker 4: had a brother who was sick but like what they 296 00:13:36,927 --> 00:13:38,647 Speaker 4: thought was kind of like fluey. They didn't really know 297 00:13:38,687 --> 00:13:41,287 Speaker 4: what it was, but sick. He was twenty one. Something 298 00:13:41,327 --> 00:13:45,767 Speaker 4: happened the night before and he'd gone to hospital. It 299 00:13:45,927 --> 00:13:48,967 Speaker 4: seemed really over the top, right, She was in campsite, 300 00:13:48,967 --> 00:13:50,647 Speaker 4: and it was the summer holidays, and she went into 301 00:13:50,687 --> 00:13:52,567 Speaker 4: this toilet block and she was having a shower and 302 00:13:52,607 --> 00:13:54,727 Speaker 4: she says that she had a voice in her ear, 303 00:13:54,847 --> 00:13:57,047 Speaker 4: clear as anything, say Terry's died. 304 00:13:57,607 --> 00:13:59,247 Speaker 3: Terry's died. And she heard this. 305 00:13:59,287 --> 00:14:01,527 Speaker 4: Voice and she went, that's weird. And then she heard 306 00:14:01,567 --> 00:14:04,207 Speaker 4: over the PA system of the camp thing calling her 307 00:14:04,247 --> 00:14:08,607 Speaker 4: parents to the reception. And they called them and they said, Terry, 308 00:14:08,607 --> 00:14:11,327 Speaker 4: twenty one years old, no sign that he was about 309 00:14:11,367 --> 00:14:14,407 Speaker 4: to die, had died. And Mum has talked about it 310 00:14:14,487 --> 00:14:17,647 Speaker 4: since because she's not woo woo, but she's like there 311 00:14:17,647 --> 00:14:21,607 Speaker 4: were senses there. She could remember something she remembered months 312 00:14:21,647 --> 00:14:23,887 Speaker 4: and months before. A priest had looked at him. He 313 00:14:23,927 --> 00:14:26,127 Speaker 4: had something called Addison's disease, which they know a lot 314 00:14:26,127 --> 00:14:30,487 Speaker 4: more about now, but really weird symptoms like cravings of things. 315 00:14:30,487 --> 00:14:33,647 Speaker 4: He'd lost a bit of weight, really strange things. But 316 00:14:33,687 --> 00:14:36,287 Speaker 4: a priest looked at him and sort of mumbled, you 317 00:14:36,367 --> 00:14:38,327 Speaker 4: have a very sick boy. Like just had a sense 318 00:14:38,367 --> 00:14:40,967 Speaker 4: that something was not okay with him, but every doctor 319 00:14:40,967 --> 00:14:44,807 Speaker 4: had dismissed so rationally he was okay according to the 320 00:14:44,807 --> 00:14:48,647 Speaker 4: medical professionals, but something in Mum's brain was going something, 321 00:14:48,687 --> 00:14:49,047 Speaker 4: Suth to. 322 00:14:49,087 --> 00:14:50,167 Speaker 3: Terry, I just have this feeling. 323 00:14:50,327 --> 00:14:53,047 Speaker 1: She never had it since no, it's not something she 324 00:14:53,087 --> 00:14:55,047 Speaker 1: can do at will no. 325 00:14:54,487 --> 00:14:57,007 Speaker 4: No, and she's lost other people, but that it was 326 00:14:57,047 --> 00:15:01,767 Speaker 4: like this overpowering intuition that was like something has gone 327 00:15:01,807 --> 00:15:04,687 Speaker 4: wrong here and it was gnawing at her. But it's 328 00:15:04,687 --> 00:15:07,687 Speaker 4: interesting that it presented as a voice, like as something. 329 00:15:07,847 --> 00:15:10,167 Speaker 1: And also what could she have done? And I guess 330 00:15:10,167 --> 00:15:11,327 Speaker 1: she could have called him. 331 00:15:11,527 --> 00:15:12,487 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 332 00:15:12,527 --> 00:15:15,567 Speaker 2: Does she talk about like how she like didn't say 333 00:15:15,607 --> 00:15:17,327 Speaker 2: anything and does she wish she was? 334 00:15:17,527 --> 00:15:19,487 Speaker 4: It was literally like she got that and then it was, 335 00:15:19,727 --> 00:15:22,927 Speaker 4: you know, a minute later that it came over the 336 00:15:22,967 --> 00:15:25,527 Speaker 4: thing and she that's not something that would happen to 337 00:15:25,567 --> 00:15:27,167 Speaker 4: her all the time. And she's also and this is 338 00:15:27,207 --> 00:15:30,687 Speaker 4: interesting what you say, Am She's not someone who's highly anxious, 339 00:15:30,927 --> 00:15:33,367 Speaker 4: so I think she's probably able to tune in better 340 00:15:33,807 --> 00:15:37,007 Speaker 4: to when that does spike. Yeah, And I wonder if 341 00:15:37,047 --> 00:15:40,047 Speaker 4: you were terrified every time you walked home, if you 342 00:15:40,087 --> 00:15:43,207 Speaker 4: would have tuned into that. But if you're kind of like, oh, 343 00:15:43,247 --> 00:15:44,927 Speaker 4: this isn't how I normally feel, hang on, what am 344 00:15:44,967 --> 00:15:47,927 Speaker 4: I feeling like this? And then gave yourself that. 345 00:15:47,647 --> 00:15:50,847 Speaker 2: That's so true because I'm not usually an anxious person, 346 00:15:50,887 --> 00:15:53,287 Speaker 2: Like anxiety is not something I suffer from. So when 347 00:15:53,327 --> 00:15:56,087 Speaker 2: I do get anxious, I know this, like I know 348 00:15:56,127 --> 00:15:59,487 Speaker 2: there's a reason and like a reason, like I'm so sorry, 349 00:15:58,927 --> 00:16:02,327 Speaker 2: but yeah, it's crazy because if I do get scared 350 00:16:02,407 --> 00:16:05,167 Speaker 2: walking from home, I will like take another route or 351 00:16:05,167 --> 00:16:07,567 Speaker 2: something like I do have that like little feeling. 352 00:16:08,087 --> 00:16:11,567 Speaker 1: I would talk to a psychologists about this because like 353 00:16:11,607 --> 00:16:13,767 Speaker 1: I think I am a little bit psychic, but I 354 00:16:13,767 --> 00:16:16,687 Speaker 1: also my anxiety makes me panic about everything and think 355 00:16:16,687 --> 00:16:18,047 Speaker 1: the bad things is going to happen all the time, 356 00:16:18,127 --> 00:16:20,207 Speaker 1: so I find it very hard to distinguish. And she 357 00:16:20,287 --> 00:16:23,527 Speaker 1: was explaining to me that women in particular will dress 358 00:16:23,527 --> 00:16:26,767 Speaker 1: rehearse tragedy and catastrophe. 359 00:16:26,927 --> 00:16:29,127 Speaker 2: Dress, for has is such a crazy word, so. 360 00:16:29,087 --> 00:16:31,647 Speaker 1: That we can so that we feel like we're better prepared. 361 00:16:32,767 --> 00:16:36,167 Speaker 1: And that's just why women are often more interested in 362 00:16:36,207 --> 00:16:39,887 Speaker 1: talking about hypothetical situations and men I'm generalizing, but men 363 00:16:39,887 --> 00:16:43,927 Speaker 1: will just shut down, whereas the reason that And I 364 00:16:43,927 --> 00:16:46,407 Speaker 1: remember learning this in the early days of Mama Mea 365 00:16:46,527 --> 00:16:50,127 Speaker 1: where women would submit first person stories, which they still do, 366 00:16:50,167 --> 00:16:51,567 Speaker 1: but I was the one that was reading them. All 367 00:16:51,607 --> 00:16:54,447 Speaker 1: in those this woman who had told this story about 368 00:16:54,607 --> 00:16:58,047 Speaker 1: her child who had drowned in their family pool. I 369 00:16:58,207 --> 00:17:02,847 Speaker 1: was felt compelled to share this story with Jason, and 370 00:17:02,887 --> 00:17:05,887 Speaker 1: he physically was trying to hold my words at bay. 371 00:17:05,967 --> 00:17:08,647 Speaker 1: And he was like, don't tell me this, don't tell 372 00:17:08,687 --> 00:17:10,847 Speaker 1: me this, and I said, why not. It goes because 373 00:17:10,847 --> 00:17:13,247 Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do about it, so he can't 374 00:17:13,247 --> 00:17:16,007 Speaker 1: fix it, right, But I needed to tell him because 375 00:17:16,007 --> 00:17:18,007 Speaker 1: to me, and this is why women will often share 376 00:17:18,687 --> 00:17:23,007 Speaker 1: terrible stories, because we're trying to learn lessons from them 377 00:17:23,207 --> 00:17:27,207 Speaker 1: and prepare our tribe to prevent it happening again and 378 00:17:27,247 --> 00:17:28,007 Speaker 1: to protect them. 379 00:17:28,087 --> 00:17:30,167 Speaker 4: I've been having this chat recently with people because you'll 380 00:17:30,167 --> 00:17:32,447 Speaker 4: be told you know you get told you know your 381 00:17:32,447 --> 00:17:35,887 Speaker 4: baby best. So if you think there's anything wrong with 382 00:17:35,927 --> 00:17:38,367 Speaker 4: your baby, go with your gut, which is nine times 383 00:17:38,367 --> 00:17:38,967 Speaker 4: out of ten. 384 00:17:38,847 --> 00:17:40,367 Speaker 1: Good advice unless you've got health anxiers. 385 00:17:40,647 --> 00:17:44,127 Speaker 4: For one in tim who are anxious, don't tell them 386 00:17:44,127 --> 00:17:47,287 Speaker 4: that because they will feel post part of anxiety. I 387 00:17:47,327 --> 00:17:49,327 Speaker 4: think is a lot of I feel like there's something 388 00:17:49,367 --> 00:17:52,127 Speaker 4: wrong with my baby, yes, and so I'm going to 389 00:17:52,207 --> 00:17:54,927 Speaker 4: keep going until I find out what it is like. 390 00:17:54,967 --> 00:17:58,127 Speaker 1: I would imagine dropping my baby or like all these 391 00:17:58,207 --> 00:18:01,127 Speaker 1: terrible things happening. And I remember speaking to a psychologists 392 00:18:01,127 --> 00:18:04,807 Speaker 1: at the time and saying, I'm tortured by like imagining 393 00:18:04,847 --> 00:18:07,687 Speaker 1: that I'm finding my baby dead or whatever. And that's 394 00:18:07,727 --> 00:18:10,207 Speaker 1: when I learned about the dress rehearsing track thing that 395 00:18:10,287 --> 00:18:15,007 Speaker 1: it's like you're trying to protect yourself from it. 396 00:18:15,367 --> 00:18:17,527 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think it's also more than just protection. 397 00:18:17,527 --> 00:18:19,927 Speaker 2: But I think that's also why so many women are 398 00:18:19,927 --> 00:18:22,287 Speaker 2: interested in true crime, because it's not only about the 399 00:18:22,367 --> 00:18:25,367 Speaker 2: dress rehearsing, but it also validates the fears we already have, 400 00:18:26,127 --> 00:18:29,687 Speaker 2: and hearing that those stories are true makes us feel like, Okay, 401 00:18:29,727 --> 00:18:31,967 Speaker 2: we're not going crazy, Like there's a reason why we're 402 00:18:31,967 --> 00:18:33,967 Speaker 2: putting in all these measures to protect ourselves. 403 00:18:34,007 --> 00:18:37,287 Speaker 4: And then I wonder if that then informs the intuition, right, 404 00:18:37,327 --> 00:18:39,847 Speaker 4: because if you're talking about the thin slicing, it's like 405 00:18:40,487 --> 00:18:42,767 Speaker 4: I'm drawing on all the information I have. I have 406 00:18:42,967 --> 00:18:45,047 Speaker 4: been swimming in a swamp of true crime for years 407 00:18:45,047 --> 00:18:48,127 Speaker 4: and years, so it's all I can see. But the 408 00:18:48,167 --> 00:18:52,487 Speaker 4: other thing he said actually was about addiction anything addictive, right, 409 00:18:52,567 --> 00:18:57,367 Speaker 4: So gambling and phone news. He said male gamblers will 410 00:18:57,367 --> 00:19:00,487 Speaker 4: often say they have an intuition and they don't, like, 411 00:19:00,527 --> 00:19:01,047 Speaker 4: that's wrong. 412 00:19:01,167 --> 00:19:04,207 Speaker 1: If you think you're addictions, I'm going to win. I'm 413 00:19:04,247 --> 00:19:05,087 Speaker 1: going to win. I'm going to win. 414 00:19:05,167 --> 00:19:08,127 Speaker 4: Do they actually say that, Yes, So in all the research, 415 00:19:08,207 --> 00:19:11,127 Speaker 4: they would say when it comes to your bed, lie, oh, 416 00:19:11,167 --> 00:19:13,287 Speaker 4: I'm really lucky or whatever, and they're not. 417 00:19:13,367 --> 00:19:14,607 Speaker 3: It's just the way that they're. 418 00:19:14,447 --> 00:19:16,687 Speaker 2: Just betting so much money. Yeah, they're probably just making 419 00:19:16,687 --> 00:19:17,887 Speaker 2: it or the sense. 420 00:19:17,687 --> 00:19:18,247 Speaker 3: That you go. 421 00:19:18,527 --> 00:19:20,207 Speaker 4: You know, you'll sometimes like look at your phone or 422 00:19:20,247 --> 00:19:21,967 Speaker 4: whatever and you'll be like, I reckon, if I pick 423 00:19:22,007 --> 00:19:23,007 Speaker 4: that up, there'll be something. 424 00:19:22,767 --> 00:19:25,047 Speaker 3: Interesting on it. It's like, it's not you're just addicted 425 00:19:25,047 --> 00:19:25,447 Speaker 3: to your friend. 426 00:19:26,047 --> 00:19:28,887 Speaker 1: You know how you were talking before about the Mount 427 00:19:28,887 --> 00:19:32,047 Speaker 1: Everest guy. I know he wouldn't be drunk on Mount 428 00:19:32,047 --> 00:19:34,447 Speaker 1: Everest because that would be a very poor thing to do. 429 00:19:34,527 --> 00:19:37,327 Speaker 1: But what do you do about the fact that alcohol, 430 00:19:37,407 --> 00:19:39,447 Speaker 1: and that's why a lot of people take it is 431 00:19:39,487 --> 00:19:43,927 Speaker 1: to loosen their inhibitions. But aren't your inhibitions also protective 432 00:19:44,407 --> 00:19:48,887 Speaker 1: in a way, So don't you also reduce your connection 433 00:19:48,967 --> 00:19:49,967 Speaker 1: with your gut instinct? 434 00:19:50,567 --> 00:19:53,007 Speaker 4: Yeah, you absolutely would, and it's probably why you're so 435 00:19:53,087 --> 00:19:55,767 Speaker 4: much worse at assessing risk, right, That's why you get 436 00:19:55,807 --> 00:19:58,767 Speaker 4: behind a car after having drinks or whatever, and it's like, 437 00:19:58,807 --> 00:20:01,007 Speaker 4: this is, by all accounts, a terrible idea. 438 00:20:01,127 --> 00:20:02,767 Speaker 1: That's why I used to have to I decided I 439 00:20:02,767 --> 00:20:06,247 Speaker 1: had to stop drinking on dates because I mean, my 440 00:20:06,447 --> 00:20:09,207 Speaker 1: instincts aren't very good anyway, but it would blunt any 441 00:20:09,407 --> 00:20:11,607 Speaker 1: instincts that I had that you just spoke about. And 442 00:20:11,607 --> 00:20:13,607 Speaker 1: that's kind of the point of it, right, Yeah, it's 443 00:20:13,647 --> 00:20:16,087 Speaker 1: to make you less inhibited. 444 00:20:16,487 --> 00:20:18,887 Speaker 2: And whenever you drink on days, you always drink way 445 00:20:19,007 --> 00:20:21,247 Speaker 2: because you're competing with like a man, You're trying to 446 00:20:21,287 --> 00:20:24,047 Speaker 2: meet their level because you're both drinking the same amount, 447 00:20:24,087 --> 00:20:25,247 Speaker 2: and if you really like them, you want to get 448 00:20:25,247 --> 00:20:27,207 Speaker 2: more drinks because you want to hang out more. And 449 00:20:27,207 --> 00:20:29,247 Speaker 2: then I always realized that I drink way more on 450 00:20:29,327 --> 00:20:31,247 Speaker 2: days than I usually do with like my girlfriends. 451 00:20:31,247 --> 00:20:33,207 Speaker 4: That's so true, because every time they get up or 452 00:20:33,447 --> 00:20:35,447 Speaker 4: you're sitting there, it's like, oh, another one, another one, 453 00:20:35,487 --> 00:20:37,047 Speaker 4: and then you're like, I've had four and I can't 454 00:20:37,047 --> 00:20:37,927 Speaker 4: see on a date. 455 00:20:37,967 --> 00:20:40,047 Speaker 1: Have you ever had an instinct or you've been in 456 00:20:40,087 --> 00:20:43,447 Speaker 1: a car or just something, or you've just gone, oh, 457 00:20:43,567 --> 00:20:44,727 Speaker 1: I need to get out of here. 458 00:20:45,167 --> 00:20:48,967 Speaker 2: Oh, there's been a few dates where I've gotten a 459 00:20:49,007 --> 00:20:52,167 Speaker 2: weird feeling just about how you know when you're just 460 00:20:52,167 --> 00:20:55,047 Speaker 2: see in someone's eyes that like whatever you're telling them, 461 00:20:55,247 --> 00:20:58,847 Speaker 2: they're kind of analyzing it, and you can tell that 462 00:20:58,847 --> 00:21:01,447 Speaker 2: they're going to do something really weird. So I've always 463 00:21:01,447 --> 00:21:03,247 Speaker 2: been able to get myself out of those situations. I 464 00:21:03,247 --> 00:21:05,447 Speaker 2: always meet in the public place for a first date, 465 00:21:05,447 --> 00:21:07,887 Speaker 2: which I tell everyone, and I never let them see 466 00:21:07,927 --> 00:21:09,727 Speaker 2: where I live or drive me home or anything like. 467 00:21:09,767 --> 00:21:13,247 Speaker 2: Those are my rules for first dates. But it's so 468 00:21:13,327 --> 00:21:15,127 Speaker 2: weird because even like something can go wrong on the 469 00:21:15,127 --> 00:21:17,047 Speaker 2: second date, or the third date or the fifth date. 470 00:21:17,247 --> 00:21:20,247 Speaker 2: So after that, I've always just had to trust my 471 00:21:20,367 --> 00:21:22,567 Speaker 2: instinct yeah and go yeah. 472 00:21:23,727 --> 00:21:26,887 Speaker 1: Kids have terrible instincts. Like that's the whole point, right 473 00:21:26,887 --> 00:21:29,887 Speaker 1: that the way the human brain develops, your instincts and 474 00:21:29,927 --> 00:21:34,327 Speaker 1: your concept of consequence isn't developed until you're for minutes, 475 00:21:34,367 --> 00:21:36,967 Speaker 1: what in the early twenties. Sometimes, Yeah, like when I 476 00:21:36,967 --> 00:21:39,767 Speaker 1: think about the risks that I took as a teenager, 477 00:21:40,087 --> 00:21:41,687 Speaker 1: holy moly. 478 00:21:41,567 --> 00:21:44,207 Speaker 4: Well, your instincts really should get better as you get older, right, 479 00:21:44,207 --> 00:21:45,847 Speaker 4: because you've just got more involved, You've. 480 00:21:45,727 --> 00:21:49,247 Speaker 1: Got more accumulated risdom out louders, what do you think 481 00:21:49,767 --> 00:21:52,647 Speaker 1: about intuition. 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