1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:20,744 Speaker 1: is recorded. 4 00:00:20,304 --> 00:00:27,944 Speaker 2: On from Mamma Mia. Welcome to The Spill, your daily 5 00:00:27,984 --> 00:00:31,424 Speaker 2: pop culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brednick 6 00:00:31,584 --> 00:00:34,624 Speaker 2: and on the show today we are talking about Miley's 7 00:00:34,744 --> 00:00:38,504 Speaker 2: new cover for w magazine, all the revelations I came 8 00:00:38,544 --> 00:00:41,304 Speaker 2: out of that and what everyone's talking about online. And 9 00:00:41,504 --> 00:00:45,144 Speaker 2: we have some more fallout from Northwest performing at the 10 00:00:45,224 --> 00:00:48,424 Speaker 2: Lion King concert. Some other Nabo babies are getting involved. 11 00:00:48,664 --> 00:00:51,544 Speaker 1: But first, some very important news for horror fans, which 12 00:00:51,584 --> 00:00:53,464 Speaker 1: I hope is everyone that listens to The Spill. 13 00:00:53,584 --> 00:00:57,864 Speaker 3: If you don't, well, good for you. You have great boundaries. 14 00:00:59,344 --> 00:01:01,664 Speaker 3: I was interested where that threat was going. It kind 15 00:01:01,704 --> 00:01:03,624 Speaker 3: of petered out at the end, but that's okay, work 16 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:07,104 Speaker 3: on that. So Bill Scarasgard, who was the star of 17 00:01:07,264 --> 00:01:09,664 Speaker 3: the IT movies. So the first one came out in 18 00:01:09,664 --> 00:01:12,424 Speaker 3: two thousand and se seventeen, then the sequel each chapter 19 00:01:12,504 --> 00:01:15,224 Speaker 3: two came out the year later, based on Stephen King's 20 00:01:15,224 --> 00:01:17,264 Speaker 3: best selling novel of the same name. There was also 21 00:01:17,344 --> 00:01:20,744 Speaker 3: a mini series with Tim Curry as Penny Wise, and 22 00:01:20,784 --> 00:01:21,824 Speaker 3: then the movies came out. 23 00:01:21,824 --> 00:01:24,104 Speaker 1: They were very successful, and a big part of that 24 00:01:24,184 --> 00:01:27,464 Speaker 1: success was Bill Scar's Guard as penny Wise the clown, 25 00:01:27,784 --> 00:01:30,024 Speaker 1: because you know, they redid his whole look and made 26 00:01:30,104 --> 00:01:33,704 Speaker 1: him this very old fashioned type of almost carnival style clown. 27 00:01:33,904 --> 00:01:36,384 Speaker 1: Those movies, the book, everything has had a very profound 28 00:01:36,424 --> 00:01:39,144 Speaker 1: effect on us and many other people. And so now 29 00:01:39,184 --> 00:01:41,904 Speaker 1: they're coming back with a prequel series. It's going to 30 00:01:41,984 --> 00:01:44,824 Speaker 1: show the origins of penny Wise, and it's just been 31 00:01:44,864 --> 00:01:48,424 Speaker 1: announced recently that Bill Scarr's Guard is going to start 32 00:01:48,544 --> 00:01:51,264 Speaker 1: and executive produce the series. So he's putting on the 33 00:01:51,304 --> 00:01:54,264 Speaker 1: penny Wise outfit once again. How does that make you feel? 34 00:01:54,304 --> 00:01:57,904 Speaker 2: It makes me feel really good. Why? Okay, So that's 35 00:01:57,904 --> 00:02:00,104 Speaker 2: why my threat wasn't as big at the beginning of 36 00:02:00,104 --> 00:02:03,504 Speaker 2: this episode because I am terrified of horror movies. I 37 00:02:03,544 --> 00:02:06,624 Speaker 2: don't watch a single horror movie by myself, really really 38 00:02:06,704 --> 00:02:09,744 Speaker 2: struggled alone exactly. That's why I don't everyone else. 39 00:02:09,784 --> 00:02:13,784 Speaker 1: She lives alone in a castle with a modlin don't 40 00:02:13,864 --> 00:02:14,864 Speaker 1: come for her, don't come. 41 00:02:15,104 --> 00:02:18,024 Speaker 2: Please try to swim across the moat. So I come 42 00:02:18,064 --> 00:02:19,504 Speaker 2: watch it by myself because I get scared and then 43 00:02:19,504 --> 00:02:22,424 Speaker 2: wig myself out because my imagination just goes haywire. And 44 00:02:22,464 --> 00:02:24,864 Speaker 2: for some reason, I can only watch horror movies with 45 00:02:25,064 --> 00:02:27,384 Speaker 2: someone else there because it feels like another level of protection. 46 00:02:27,904 --> 00:02:30,224 Speaker 2: So I've seen horror movies with you before, but you've 47 00:02:30,264 --> 00:02:32,464 Speaker 2: been there, So it's like a love prediction. 48 00:02:32,304 --> 00:02:35,264 Speaker 1: To horror movie premieeres dear skill listeners because she always 49 00:02:35,264 --> 00:02:37,264 Speaker 1: curls them in a ball and fry. Sometimes she gets 50 00:02:37,344 --> 00:02:38,824 Speaker 1: on the floor and covers her face. 51 00:02:38,944 --> 00:02:40,304 Speaker 2: No idea what's going on in the movie, but I 52 00:02:40,384 --> 00:02:43,264 Speaker 2: enjoy the experience. I enjoy seeing something on a TV 53 00:02:43,384 --> 00:02:45,704 Speaker 2: so far away can have that much of an impact 54 00:02:45,784 --> 00:02:48,784 Speaker 2: on me in the moment and physically. And so I 55 00:02:48,864 --> 00:02:52,144 Speaker 2: watched it, and I was gearing myself up because I 56 00:02:52,184 --> 00:02:53,584 Speaker 2: watched them mini series when I was little, and I 57 00:02:53,624 --> 00:02:55,264 Speaker 2: was like, that's scared the shit out of me. So 58 00:02:55,384 --> 00:02:56,824 Speaker 2: I was like, this will probably scare the shit at 59 00:02:56,824 --> 00:03:00,504 Speaker 2: me again. But then I saw Pennywise played by Bill Skarsguard. 60 00:03:00,544 --> 00:03:01,824 Speaker 1: I don't say what I think you're getting. 61 00:03:01,864 --> 00:03:05,104 Speaker 2: It bokes a different kind of feeling because Bill Scar's 62 00:03:05,104 --> 00:03:08,784 Speaker 2: guard is very attractive, and when I saw Pennywise on screen, 63 00:03:09,264 --> 00:03:10,984 Speaker 2: I didn't see the clown I saw Bill. 64 00:03:12,424 --> 00:03:15,784 Speaker 1: So you're attracted to the evil serial killer clown that 65 00:03:15,904 --> 00:03:17,504 Speaker 1: literally murders and eats children. 66 00:03:17,584 --> 00:03:19,104 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he has good reasons. 67 00:03:19,904 --> 00:03:22,784 Speaker 1: I mean I kind of agree, just because this movie 68 00:03:22,824 --> 00:03:24,784 Speaker 1: was really confusing for me as well, because I find 69 00:03:24,784 --> 00:03:28,064 Speaker 1: Pennywise terrifying. But every so often I was like, he's 70 00:03:28,184 --> 00:03:30,264 Speaker 1: kind of hot when Bill plays him. 71 00:03:30,384 --> 00:03:32,944 Speaker 2: This is when the movie clown. 72 00:03:34,304 --> 00:03:37,344 Speaker 1: We love a confident serial killing clown. When he came out, 73 00:03:37,464 --> 00:03:40,184 Speaker 1: the world in general was very confused because people were 74 00:03:40,184 --> 00:03:43,864 Speaker 1: really attracted to this killer saw. 75 00:03:43,744 --> 00:03:45,904 Speaker 2: And like, he's just like so charismatic and. 76 00:03:46,224 --> 00:03:48,064 Speaker 1: Even you could change him. 77 00:03:48,544 --> 00:03:50,384 Speaker 2: And in the interviews he does when he does the voice, 78 00:03:50,384 --> 00:03:52,384 Speaker 2: I'm like that he's so hot. 79 00:03:52,424 --> 00:03:55,544 Speaker 1: He's a hot human being. So, I mean, that's still 80 00:03:55,544 --> 00:03:56,864 Speaker 1: just being shot in everything. So it's not gonna be 81 00:03:56,864 --> 00:03:57,304 Speaker 1: out for a while. 82 00:03:57,304 --> 00:03:59,424 Speaker 2: It's still a horror I'm sure it's a horror series. 83 00:03:59,464 --> 00:04:00,784 Speaker 2: I want to say that right now. It's not going 84 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:02,984 Speaker 2: to be a sexy series about making it out to be. 85 00:04:03,544 --> 00:04:05,064 Speaker 2: But you can watch it, which every. 86 00:04:04,944 --> 00:04:05,384 Speaker 1: Way you like. 87 00:04:07,624 --> 00:04:14,184 Speaker 2: Bug and Barnas Flower sens pop culture issue. Miley Cyrus 88 00:04:14,224 --> 00:04:17,424 Speaker 2: has graced the cover of W magazine talking about her 89 00:04:17,504 --> 00:04:20,544 Speaker 2: first ever Grammy win, which was a huge day in 90 00:04:20,744 --> 00:04:23,944 Speaker 2: spiller Land for us. She also touched on a few 91 00:04:23,944 --> 00:04:26,904 Speaker 2: other things, including her friendship with Beyonce, which I'm so 92 00:04:26,944 --> 00:04:29,064 Speaker 2: glad she talked about because I didn't know. I thought 93 00:04:29,064 --> 00:04:32,144 Speaker 2: it was always transactional, like very professional, But then she said, no, 94 00:04:32,264 --> 00:04:33,984 Speaker 2: we text each other. I'm like, yes, that's all I needed. 95 00:04:34,024 --> 00:04:36,264 Speaker 2: I just needed a Miley Beyonce friendship. I love it. 96 00:04:36,424 --> 00:04:39,024 Speaker 1: Everyone who has a text with Beyonce says it very 97 00:04:39,024 --> 00:04:42,104 Speaker 1: publicly because it's Megan most Yeah, Megan Michle has said it, 98 00:04:42,184 --> 00:04:45,624 Speaker 1: Taylor Sift out there now Miley. It's like the one 99 00:04:45,704 --> 00:04:47,504 Speaker 1: kind of cool girl thing that's like under the trade. 100 00:04:47,584 --> 00:04:49,184 Speaker 2: I made it. I am a list of min and 101 00:04:49,264 --> 00:04:52,944 Speaker 2: I text Beyonce. She also talked a lot about her mother, 102 00:04:53,264 --> 00:04:55,104 Speaker 2: and she also talked about whether she wants to have 103 00:04:55,184 --> 00:04:57,104 Speaker 2: children and doesn't want to have children. The whole interview 104 00:04:57,104 --> 00:04:59,424 Speaker 2: is very in depth. I really employ you to read 105 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:02,024 Speaker 2: the whole thing. We will link it in our show notes. 106 00:05:02,304 --> 00:05:05,304 Speaker 2: But there was one certain quote, an answer to a 107 00:05:05,424 --> 00:05:08,304 Speaker 2: question that's kind of just been making the rounds on 108 00:05:08,384 --> 00:05:12,624 Speaker 2: Twitter and across other social platforms. She said, no shade, 109 00:05:12,824 --> 00:05:15,104 Speaker 2: but I've been doing this for twenty years, and this 110 00:05:15,144 --> 00:05:17,944 Speaker 2: is my first time actually been taking seriously at the 111 00:05:17,984 --> 00:05:21,184 Speaker 2: Grammys question mark. I've had a hard time figuring out 112 00:05:21,224 --> 00:05:23,544 Speaker 2: what the measurement is there, because if we want to 113 00:05:23,584 --> 00:05:27,184 Speaker 2: talk stats and numbers, then where the quasi? And if 114 00:05:27,184 --> 00:05:30,344 Speaker 2: you want to talk like impact on culture, then where 115 00:05:30,344 --> 00:05:33,744 Speaker 2: the quasi? This is not about arrogance. I am proud 116 00:05:33,744 --> 00:05:38,544 Speaker 2: of myself. So this quote has gone viral and it's 117 00:05:38,624 --> 00:05:41,504 Speaker 2: kind of split people into two camps. Even though she 118 00:05:41,544 --> 00:05:43,744 Speaker 2: called it out herself. She said, this is not about arrogance. 119 00:05:43,744 --> 00:05:46,144 Speaker 2: I'm proud of myself. But so many people are going 120 00:05:46,304 --> 00:05:49,624 Speaker 2: this is arrogant, and other people are going, this is confidence. 121 00:05:50,064 --> 00:05:52,504 Speaker 2: There was one tweet in particular that kind of hit me. 122 00:05:53,264 --> 00:05:55,704 Speaker 2: It said, I think it was the era of bangers 123 00:05:55,704 --> 00:05:58,904 Speaker 2: that spoiled everything. Her image took a big hit, and 124 00:05:59,064 --> 00:06:01,624 Speaker 2: just after that she wasn't consistent in her career. If 125 00:06:01,664 --> 00:06:05,184 Speaker 2: she had continued to maintain a smooth, drama free image 126 00:06:05,424 --> 00:06:08,544 Speaker 2: while producing successful albums, she would have ended up with 127 00:06:08,624 --> 00:06:12,784 Speaker 2: winning at least one. And that tweet in particular just 128 00:06:12,904 --> 00:06:16,544 Speaker 2: made me quite angry. I think even just having this 129 00:06:16,624 --> 00:06:20,544 Speaker 2: conversation about arrogance, verse confidence it's only ever had against 130 00:06:20,584 --> 00:06:24,384 Speaker 2: women of celebrity status, and no one will ever bring 131 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:26,104 Speaker 2: that up about a man. And even the fact that 132 00:06:26,144 --> 00:06:28,784 Speaker 2: Miley herself, in her quote had to say, this is 133 00:06:28,824 --> 00:06:30,824 Speaker 2: not about arrogance. I don't think a man has ever 134 00:06:30,944 --> 00:06:33,744 Speaker 2: uttered the word arrogant when talking about himself. And that 135 00:06:33,864 --> 00:06:35,184 Speaker 2: just made me really sad for her. 136 00:06:35,464 --> 00:06:37,624 Speaker 1: And she's also just saying what's been said about the 137 00:06:37,664 --> 00:06:40,344 Speaker 1: Grammys as an awards system and as an event for 138 00:06:40,344 --> 00:06:42,504 Speaker 1: such a long time. I mean, wasn't the weekend to 139 00:06:42,944 --> 00:06:44,824 Speaker 1: put out a press release saying that they wouldn't be 140 00:06:44,864 --> 00:06:48,104 Speaker 1: involved in the Grammys because of the dirty politics behind 141 00:06:48,144 --> 00:06:50,784 Speaker 1: the scenes and the paying people off and the who's 142 00:06:50,824 --> 00:06:52,864 Speaker 1: in with who, and it wasn't about the music. And 143 00:06:52,864 --> 00:06:55,744 Speaker 1: then obviously the last Grammys was dominated by that story 144 00:06:55,744 --> 00:06:58,904 Speaker 1: of Beyonce not winning Album of the Year, even though 145 00:06:58,944 --> 00:07:01,584 Speaker 1: like all the statistics of her very long career point 146 00:07:01,624 --> 00:07:03,504 Speaker 1: to the fact that she should have and jay Z 147 00:07:03,664 --> 00:07:06,584 Speaker 1: on stage saying like she should have won. But it's 148 00:07:06,624 --> 00:07:09,464 Speaker 1: the workings of this ceremony, and I think Miley Cyrus 149 00:07:09,544 --> 00:07:12,104 Speaker 1: is just tapping into saying, if you look at the numbers, 150 00:07:12,144 --> 00:07:14,384 Speaker 1: the fact that I've been in this industry for two decades, 151 00:07:14,824 --> 00:07:17,024 Speaker 1: how much my music is sold? What are you liked 152 00:07:17,184 --> 00:07:19,864 Speaker 1: or not? Like the cultural reverence of my video clips 153 00:07:19,864 --> 00:07:22,824 Speaker 1: and my music and I'm only winning this now. And 154 00:07:22,864 --> 00:07:26,304 Speaker 1: I think also that permeated the night of the Grammys 155 00:07:26,304 --> 00:07:27,984 Speaker 1: that she won, even from the moment she stepped on 156 00:07:27,984 --> 00:07:30,144 Speaker 1: the red carpet. She had like the glittery dress and 157 00:07:30,184 --> 00:07:32,384 Speaker 1: the big hair, which I loved, by the way. Yeah, 158 00:07:32,424 --> 00:07:34,344 Speaker 1: and then you know, she had all of her family 159 00:07:34,384 --> 00:07:36,144 Speaker 1: and her long term boyfriend at the table with her 160 00:07:36,184 --> 00:07:37,984 Speaker 1: and that was such a big thing. And then her 161 00:07:37,984 --> 00:07:40,704 Speaker 1: acceptance speech was really lovely. But then when she was 162 00:07:40,744 --> 00:07:43,464 Speaker 1: on stage singing and she's screaming out, I just want 163 00:07:43,464 --> 00:07:45,664 Speaker 1: my first Grammy and like you pant the crowd and 164 00:07:45,664 --> 00:07:47,544 Speaker 1: like Taylor Slif's the only one up on her feet 165 00:07:47,704 --> 00:07:49,624 Speaker 1: singing and clapping and dancing because she was doing that 166 00:07:49,664 --> 00:07:52,184 Speaker 1: for everyone. And then Miley sort of says to the crowd, 167 00:07:52,664 --> 00:07:54,904 Speaker 1: why you were pretending you don't know the words? Looking 168 00:07:54,904 --> 00:07:56,264 Speaker 1: at it in this light of what she had in 169 00:07:56,304 --> 00:07:58,104 Speaker 1: her head at the time, there was this idea of 170 00:07:58,144 --> 00:08:01,104 Speaker 1: her still thinking, even when she's won, even when she's performing, 171 00:08:01,144 --> 00:08:03,344 Speaker 1: that the musical community doesn't accept her. 172 00:08:03,984 --> 00:08:06,784 Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot she did all of that. And she 173 00:08:06,864 --> 00:08:08,864 Speaker 2: did say in the interview that she wanted to go 174 00:08:08,944 --> 00:08:11,224 Speaker 2: out on stage with the confidence of a kid, which 175 00:08:11,264 --> 00:08:15,224 Speaker 2: I think she did. She portrayed that beautifully. But yeah, 176 00:08:15,344 --> 00:08:17,424 Speaker 2: you're so right. It feels like the audience will not 177 00:08:17,504 --> 00:08:20,544 Speaker 2: receptive of that. And now the same thing's happening again 178 00:08:20,584 --> 00:08:22,464 Speaker 2: but with the public over social media. 179 00:08:22,784 --> 00:08:25,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and especially because she's talked about the fact 180 00:08:25,344 --> 00:08:27,104 Speaker 1: that she doesn't want a tour or do any of 181 00:08:27,104 --> 00:08:30,184 Speaker 1: that again. So the next music she releases is going 182 00:08:30,184 --> 00:08:32,584 Speaker 1: to have to be off just I guess, like the 183 00:08:32,704 --> 00:08:35,224 Speaker 1: music of the album and like whether it's critically acclaimed 184 00:08:35,224 --> 00:08:36,624 Speaker 1: if she's not going to go out and do these 185 00:08:36,624 --> 00:08:39,464 Speaker 1: big stadium tours to promote albums, which now is how 186 00:08:39,504 --> 00:08:42,424 Speaker 1: most artists make their money and hype up their music. 187 00:08:42,504 --> 00:08:44,504 Speaker 1: So but I think it's interesting because I think people 188 00:08:44,544 --> 00:08:46,744 Speaker 1: write her off of being so young, but like she said, 189 00:08:46,784 --> 00:08:48,584 Speaker 1: she's been around for twenty years. Obviously a lot of 190 00:08:48,624 --> 00:08:51,224 Speaker 1: that was Haena Montana time, but still like she's been 191 00:08:51,224 --> 00:08:52,904 Speaker 1: in the industry for a long time, so she's seen 192 00:08:52,944 --> 00:08:55,024 Speaker 1: some things and I think her perspective is very interesting. 193 00:08:55,504 --> 00:08:57,744 Speaker 2: So this year at the Grammys, we did a big 194 00:08:57,904 --> 00:09:01,224 Speaker 2: myth busting episode on how these awards are chosen. So 195 00:09:01,544 --> 00:09:04,224 Speaker 2: if you're part of the commentary online talking about Miley Cyrus, 196 00:09:04,264 --> 00:09:06,984 Speaker 2: i'd really employ you to listen to that episode in particular, 197 00:09:07,024 --> 00:09:09,784 Speaker 2: we'll link it in that show notes because there are 198 00:09:09,824 --> 00:09:13,384 Speaker 2: so much more like intricate details on how these awards 199 00:09:13,424 --> 00:09:15,504 Speaker 2: are getting chosen, Which is why these big celebrities like 200 00:09:15,584 --> 00:09:18,264 Speaker 2: Miley and jay Z can come at the Grammys with 201 00:09:18,304 --> 00:09:21,424 Speaker 2: these stats, because it's not just about how many listens 202 00:09:21,464 --> 00:09:23,664 Speaker 2: your songs got. It goes way more deeper into. 203 00:09:23,504 --> 00:09:41,024 Speaker 1: That you ever, well, last week, our lives were changed 204 00:09:41,064 --> 00:09:45,024 Speaker 1: forever across the world when Northwest, the eldest daughter of 205 00:09:45,104 --> 00:09:47,984 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian and Kanye West, took to the stage at 206 00:09:48,024 --> 00:09:51,464 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl to perform in the Lion Kings thirtieth 207 00:09:51,464 --> 00:09:54,344 Speaker 1: anniversary concept. Now, I think a lot of people you're 208 00:09:54,384 --> 00:09:57,024 Speaker 1: just looking shell shops. Remember, I think your life is 209 00:09:57,064 --> 00:09:57,744 Speaker 1: like pre. 210 00:09:57,784 --> 00:10:02,584 Speaker 2: Northwestern the Lion King Northwestern person. I just want to 211 00:10:02,584 --> 00:10:05,664 Speaker 2: apologize for getting so emotional. I got quite angry, you 212 00:10:05,704 --> 00:10:07,784 Speaker 2: got really in the last episode. But I feel like 213 00:10:07,904 --> 00:10:08,984 Speaker 2: I wasn't the only one. 214 00:10:08,904 --> 00:10:11,104 Speaker 1: No, and you spoke your truth, and that's fine. So 215 00:10:11,544 --> 00:10:15,904 Speaker 1: there's a few more. Hey, look, if you're gonna throw 216 00:10:15,944 --> 00:10:19,624 Speaker 1: down over something, that's a twenty eight year old woman. 217 00:10:21,064 --> 00:10:23,264 Speaker 1: So there's been a couple of myths around this, so 218 00:10:23,304 --> 00:10:24,904 Speaker 1: first we should get into that, because a lot of 219 00:10:24,944 --> 00:10:26,784 Speaker 1: people are thinking it was meant to be like a 220 00:10:26,824 --> 00:10:29,944 Speaker 1: stage production of The Lion King, like the Broadway show, 221 00:10:30,144 --> 00:10:32,184 Speaker 1: But it was meant to be just a televised concept, 222 00:10:32,224 --> 00:10:34,384 Speaker 1: which if you want to watch, the concert in full 223 00:10:34,704 --> 00:10:36,824 Speaker 1: will be coming to Disney Plus soon because I filmed 224 00:10:36,824 --> 00:10:39,584 Speaker 1: it over the two nights, so you'll be able. 225 00:10:39,344 --> 00:10:39,944 Speaker 2: To see it. 226 00:10:40,104 --> 00:10:42,544 Speaker 1: I want to see it because like The Lion King's 227 00:10:42,584 --> 00:10:44,704 Speaker 1: not my favorite Disney movie because Disney music's all I 228 00:10:44,744 --> 00:10:47,344 Speaker 1: listened to it. Not in my top ten, no please, 229 00:10:47,784 --> 00:10:51,264 Speaker 1: but I have been like listening to these bangers after this, 230 00:10:51,504 --> 00:10:53,344 Speaker 1: just because you know, brought up all this now stole 231 00:10:53,504 --> 00:10:56,544 Speaker 1: and can I say, like Northwester Stoli show not her fault. 232 00:10:56,784 --> 00:10:58,584 Speaker 1: But there are a huge amount of people who are 233 00:10:58,624 --> 00:11:01,264 Speaker 1: either in the original movie or the remake or the 234 00:11:01,304 --> 00:11:01,944 Speaker 1: stage show. 235 00:11:02,064 --> 00:11:03,864 Speaker 2: The amount of celebrities in. 236 00:11:03,704 --> 00:11:07,184 Speaker 1: This Nathan Lane, I teared up of him singing Jason 237 00:11:07,184 --> 00:11:10,464 Speaker 1: Weaver was in there, Jeremy Irons, Billy Eichner and all. 238 00:11:10,504 --> 00:11:12,704 Speaker 1: So this is a bit awkward is that Jennifer Hudson 239 00:11:12,784 --> 00:11:15,184 Speaker 1: was there as a special guest, and she and Northwest 240 00:11:15,384 --> 00:11:18,664 Speaker 1: were billed as the two special guests appearing side by side, 241 00:11:18,704 --> 00:11:22,264 Speaker 1: so equating their names together is not great. So that 242 00:11:22,424 --> 00:11:24,704 Speaker 1: all happened. It was meant to be like a celebration 243 00:11:24,784 --> 00:11:27,344 Speaker 1: of the music, not the actual show. And the backlash 244 00:11:27,464 --> 00:11:30,904 Speaker 1: against Northwest was so extreme. But it's not just that 245 00:11:30,984 --> 00:11:33,584 Speaker 1: her voice is terrible. After watching it, sometimes not terrible, 246 00:11:33,624 --> 00:11:35,904 Speaker 1: that's it. It's just not it's terrible. She can say 247 00:11:35,984 --> 00:11:39,224 Speaker 1: concept Broadway level. So the show has come out and 248 00:11:39,264 --> 00:11:42,664 Speaker 1: said that she, Northwest and Jeremy Irons were the only 249 00:11:42,704 --> 00:11:45,024 Speaker 1: two people who did their own wardrobe and chose their 250 00:11:45,024 --> 00:11:45,784 Speaker 1: own costumes. 251 00:11:45,944 --> 00:11:46,904 Speaker 2: That's not sense to me. 252 00:11:47,424 --> 00:11:49,584 Speaker 1: I feel like the Hipperson was in charge of costumes 253 00:11:49,624 --> 00:11:52,264 Speaker 1: really wants that out there. Jeremy Iron's fine, he was 254 00:11:52,304 --> 00:11:54,104 Speaker 1: the original voice of Scart. But I think one of 255 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:56,544 Speaker 1: the biggest problems is that north is wearing her own clothes, 256 00:11:56,584 --> 00:11:58,464 Speaker 1: and along with that, she's wearing a yellow hoodie and 257 00:11:58,464 --> 00:12:01,064 Speaker 1: oversized shirts and like just a fur headpiece, which is fine, 258 00:12:01,144 --> 00:12:04,064 Speaker 1: she's wearing massive fur slippers that she can't even walk in, 259 00:12:04,104 --> 00:12:06,664 Speaker 1: so when she's clumping around stage, she looks like she's 260 00:12:06,704 --> 00:12:09,024 Speaker 1: about to fall over, And like, give the kid a chance. 261 00:12:09,424 --> 00:12:11,584 Speaker 1: Why did she already the only person out there who 262 00:12:11,624 --> 00:12:13,664 Speaker 1: can't sing and who can't dance, and now her like 263 00:12:13,784 --> 00:12:18,104 Speaker 1: movement has been impeded by these huge furry slippers. But anyway, 264 00:12:18,224 --> 00:12:23,104 Speaker 1: more drama has come out since then, because yeah, exactly, well, 265 00:12:23,104 --> 00:12:24,984 Speaker 1: this is how a hugely long tail and it's made 266 00:12:25,024 --> 00:12:27,464 Speaker 1: like it was obviously the new cycle when it happened 267 00:12:27,504 --> 00:12:29,504 Speaker 1: last week, But since then there's been so many op 268 00:12:29,584 --> 00:12:32,064 Speaker 1: eds and think pieces and like big talk shows are 269 00:12:32,064 --> 00:12:34,424 Speaker 1: doing segments on it, and TV panels are debating it. 270 00:12:34,424 --> 00:12:36,504 Speaker 1: It's become this big worldwide thing. I guess because they 271 00:12:36,584 --> 00:12:38,104 Speaker 1: all like listened to this fill episode. 272 00:12:38,184 --> 00:12:40,864 Speaker 2: I stand by. We were the first to talk about this, 273 00:12:40,984 --> 00:12:42,344 Speaker 2: and then everyone else jumped on board. 274 00:12:42,424 --> 00:12:44,104 Speaker 1: There's no one in all these people are one hundred 275 00:12:44,144 --> 00:12:46,264 Speaker 1: percent legit. But what has come out is that there's 276 00:12:46,304 --> 00:12:48,504 Speaker 1: been a couple of parents who have come forward, either 277 00:12:48,544 --> 00:12:51,344 Speaker 1: in videos or in different interviews and said that their 278 00:12:51,464 --> 00:12:54,864 Speaker 1: kids had auditioned multiple times for this role of Simba 279 00:12:54,904 --> 00:12:57,224 Speaker 1: in the concert and that they had got down to 280 00:12:57,424 --> 00:13:00,384 Speaker 1: four final kids who were in the last stages. At 281 00:13:00,384 --> 00:13:02,904 Speaker 1: the last moment, it came out that a celebrity was 282 00:13:02,904 --> 00:13:04,504 Speaker 1: bringing their kid in and they didn't. 283 00:13:04,304 --> 00:13:04,944 Speaker 2: Know who it was. 284 00:13:05,344 --> 00:13:08,424 Speaker 1: Whispers spread through the building that it was Kim Kardashian 285 00:13:08,504 --> 00:13:10,584 Speaker 1: and Northwest, and then all of a sudden, they were 286 00:13:10,624 --> 00:13:13,024 Speaker 1: just all knocked out of the running, no further information. 287 00:13:13,184 --> 00:13:16,144 Speaker 1: Thanks for five days of auditioning. It's Northwest and that's 288 00:13:16,144 --> 00:13:18,744 Speaker 1: brought her in. Then the NEPO baby conversation has blown 289 00:13:18,824 --> 00:13:19,704 Speaker 1: up so much more. 290 00:13:19,824 --> 00:13:24,144 Speaker 2: Oh, she has just introduced five new villain origin stories, 291 00:13:24,824 --> 00:13:26,984 Speaker 2: like I am scared for her when she becomes a 292 00:13:27,024 --> 00:13:28,984 Speaker 2: teenager because those kids will not forget. 293 00:13:29,064 --> 00:13:31,984 Speaker 1: I know in theater kids are the worst for holding 294 00:13:31,984 --> 00:13:33,024 Speaker 1: a grudge and being very in. 295 00:13:33,184 --> 00:13:34,704 Speaker 2: You ever have been in a fight with the theater kid, 296 00:13:34,824 --> 00:13:35,744 Speaker 2: You've lost. 297 00:13:35,624 --> 00:13:39,584 Speaker 1: Like exactly. They're scruppy, they're angry, they're overly emotional. Anyway, 298 00:13:39,664 --> 00:13:42,464 Speaker 1: it's interesting that this NEPO baby conversation has bubbled up 299 00:13:42,504 --> 00:13:45,184 Speaker 1: at the same time that another famous NEPO baby has 300 00:13:45,224 --> 00:13:47,984 Speaker 1: given an interview about her career, and that is the 301 00:13:48,104 --> 00:13:50,624 Speaker 1: daughter of Ethan Hawk and Uma Thurman. Maya Hawk. 302 00:13:50,864 --> 00:13:51,864 Speaker 2: She's an inside out too. 303 00:13:52,224 --> 00:13:54,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, she voices anxiety. So she's doing a lot of 304 00:13:54,384 --> 00:13:56,944 Speaker 1: press for the also in Stranger Things, Yes, so that's 305 00:13:56,944 --> 00:13:59,024 Speaker 1: when people really fell in love with her playing Robin 306 00:13:59,024 --> 00:14:01,664 Speaker 1: and Stranger Things. So she's always taken a hit for 307 00:14:01,704 --> 00:14:04,464 Speaker 1: being a NEPO baby because she had her first start 308 00:14:04,464 --> 00:14:07,584 Speaker 1: in Once upon a Time in Hollywood, the Quentin Tarantino movie, 309 00:14:07,664 --> 00:14:10,384 Speaker 1: and obviously her mother, Uma Thurman, worked very closely with 310 00:14:10,464 --> 00:14:13,344 Speaker 1: Quintin on many films, and when she talked about her audition, 311 00:14:13,464 --> 00:14:15,104 Speaker 1: she was like, no, no, no, my parents didn't help me. 312 00:14:15,264 --> 00:14:17,344 Speaker 1: No one helped me. I had to audition fair in square, 313 00:14:17,624 --> 00:14:20,624 Speaker 1: but then said after the audition that Quinton gave her 314 00:14:20,824 --> 00:14:23,424 Speaker 1: like a wink and a thumbs up and afterwards hugged 315 00:14:23,424 --> 00:14:24,624 Speaker 1: her on the way out. I'm like, well, then you 316 00:14:24,664 --> 00:14:25,664 Speaker 1: didn't get a fair audition. 317 00:14:26,064 --> 00:14:26,264 Speaker 3: Ah. 318 00:14:26,304 --> 00:14:28,584 Speaker 2: And it's also the fact that she even said that, like, 319 00:14:28,624 --> 00:14:30,744 Speaker 2: even if it was a fair edition, I feel like, 320 00:14:30,784 --> 00:14:32,664 Speaker 2: if you're an NEBBO baby, there are some things you 321 00:14:32,744 --> 00:14:33,904 Speaker 2: just can't say exactly. 322 00:14:33,984 --> 00:14:35,744 Speaker 1: But I think now, like that was a while ago, 323 00:14:35,784 --> 00:14:37,784 Speaker 1: she was very near to doing press and probably kind 324 00:14:37,824 --> 00:14:39,704 Speaker 1: of didn't put those two different and then she. 325 00:14:39,704 --> 00:14:41,944 Speaker 2: Saw the headlines and then she's like, oh, okay, I 326 00:14:41,984 --> 00:14:42,264 Speaker 2: got it. 327 00:14:42,264 --> 00:14:44,384 Speaker 1: Now, well, I think in this post Northwestern the lion 328 00:14:44,464 --> 00:14:46,784 Speaker 1: King World. Now that she's doing press and she didn't 329 00:14:46,824 --> 00:14:48,624 Speaker 1: interview the Times where she was asked about it, and 330 00:14:48,664 --> 00:14:50,384 Speaker 1: they said do you think you deserve to be here 331 00:14:50,864 --> 00:14:53,224 Speaker 1: because of who your parents are? And I think what 332 00:14:53,304 --> 00:14:54,864 Speaker 1: she said has been taken a little out of content. 333 00:14:54,904 --> 00:14:57,384 Speaker 2: Would you first week? Can I segue yes? As an 334 00:14:57,424 --> 00:14:59,584 Speaker 2: interview would you ever ask someone that question. 335 00:14:59,584 --> 00:15:02,944 Speaker 1: Do you deserve to be here? Absolutely? She's an ebo baby. 336 00:15:03,104 --> 00:15:03,904 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 337 00:15:04,064 --> 00:15:06,824 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure it was phrase nicer than that. It's 338 00:15:06,824 --> 00:15:08,184 Speaker 1: for the Times. It would have been a good chunk 339 00:15:08,224 --> 00:15:09,944 Speaker 1: of time, and they would have said, like, it's the 340 00:15:09,944 --> 00:15:12,224 Speaker 1: way you phrase these things as an interviewer, and you'll 341 00:15:12,264 --> 00:15:14,064 Speaker 1: be like, so people are saying this, and people are 342 00:15:14,064 --> 00:15:15,704 Speaker 1: saying that, just make sure you have the receipts of 343 00:15:15,744 --> 00:15:17,224 Speaker 1: who's saying it. In case they said who said that, 344 00:15:17,264 --> 00:15:19,224 Speaker 1: You can be like, well, this article, this article, this article, 345 00:15:19,464 --> 00:15:21,224 Speaker 1: and then you weave it in, but obviously you don't 346 00:15:21,264 --> 00:15:22,624 Speaker 1: have that in the article because you want to get 347 00:15:22,624 --> 00:15:25,424 Speaker 1: to the quote. And so to that she said deserves 348 00:15:25,464 --> 00:15:28,184 Speaker 1: a complicated word. There are so many people who deserve 349 00:15:28,224 --> 00:15:30,064 Speaker 1: to have this kind of life but who don't have it. 350 00:15:30,304 --> 00:15:32,744 Speaker 1: But the same time, I'm comfortable with not deserving it 351 00:15:32,784 --> 00:15:36,184 Speaker 1: and doing it anyway, which has been taken out of context, 352 00:15:36,184 --> 00:15:40,024 Speaker 1: because once you see that quote by itself, it's like, 353 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:41,704 Speaker 1: I don't deserve it, but I'm doing it anyway. But 354 00:15:41,824 --> 00:15:45,264 Speaker 1: what she's actually saying is that she is acknowledging the 355 00:15:45,264 --> 00:15:47,784 Speaker 1: fact that she's where she is because of her famous parents, 356 00:15:47,824 --> 00:15:50,904 Speaker 1: but she's also doing what she loves and so she's 357 00:15:50,944 --> 00:15:52,784 Speaker 1: just going to try and make it work and still 358 00:15:52,824 --> 00:15:55,024 Speaker 1: do it, but knowing that she got an unfair foot 359 00:15:55,024 --> 00:15:57,064 Speaker 1: in the door, and I think with Nippo babies, that's 360 00:15:57,064 --> 00:15:58,824 Speaker 1: all you can kind of expect from them. Like she's 361 00:15:58,864 --> 00:16:00,584 Speaker 1: not going to say it, I'm giving up acting. I'm 362 00:16:00,624 --> 00:16:01,704 Speaker 1: never going to do it, and I'm not going to 363 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:03,664 Speaker 1: be in any movies because of who my parents are. 364 00:16:03,984 --> 00:16:05,464 Speaker 1: All she can say now is like, yeah, I have 365 00:16:05,504 --> 00:16:08,664 Speaker 1: an unfair advantage and I'm so aware of my privilege. 366 00:16:08,664 --> 00:16:09,544 Speaker 1: It's all you can say. 367 00:16:09,704 --> 00:16:12,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, Dakotah Johnson are holding up the Neppo baby industry 368 00:16:13,024 --> 00:16:14,944 Speaker 2: by the solders, Well, Dakota. 369 00:16:14,664 --> 00:16:17,864 Speaker 1: Johnson denies it. Remember, so she said, Yeah, I was 370 00:16:17,904 --> 00:16:19,944 Speaker 1: so on her side until she was like, oh, it's 371 00:16:19,944 --> 00:16:22,424 Speaker 1: such a boring conversation. I'm like a boring for you 372 00:16:22,464 --> 00:16:24,344 Speaker 1: because you're benefiting from it. 373 00:16:24,864 --> 00:16:27,224 Speaker 2: Anyway, she needs some pointers from my whole. 374 00:16:27,384 --> 00:16:29,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Well again, they all come out of 375 00:16:29,544 --> 00:16:32,544 Speaker 1: the gate really defensive and angry, all the NEPO babies, 376 00:16:32,584 --> 00:16:35,104 Speaker 1: and then the smart ones are now looking at it 377 00:16:35,464 --> 00:16:37,664 Speaker 1: and reframing what they're saying and then coming back with 378 00:16:37,704 --> 00:16:39,064 Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, I have a lot of privilege and 379 00:16:39,064 --> 00:16:40,544 Speaker 1: so I'm going to work really hard to deserve it 380 00:16:40,544 --> 00:16:42,144 Speaker 1: and stuff, which is probably bullshit, but like. 381 00:16:42,264 --> 00:16:44,864 Speaker 2: That's what you want to hear. Yeah, yeah, I think 382 00:16:44,864 --> 00:16:47,104 Speaker 2: all the Nepper baby she just have this massive group chat. 383 00:16:47,224 --> 00:16:49,544 Speaker 2: They all agree to do this, so then we feel 384 00:16:49,544 --> 00:16:51,704 Speaker 2: better about them exactly, So you can say that. So 385 00:16:51,784 --> 00:16:53,784 Speaker 2: we'll link that full interview from the Times in the 386 00:16:53,784 --> 00:16:56,744 Speaker 2: show notes, and you know, just hope Northwest is doing okay. 387 00:16:56,944 --> 00:16:58,104 Speaker 1: But I'm sure she's fine. 388 00:16:58,184 --> 00:17:00,624 Speaker 2: She's fine. Thank you so much for listening to The 389 00:17:00,664 --> 00:17:02,784 Speaker 2: Spill today. If you love listening to us and you 390 00:17:02,784 --> 00:17:04,504 Speaker 2: want to see more content from us, you can always 391 00:17:04,544 --> 00:17:08,424 Speaker 2: follow us at The Spill Podcast. On Instagram. We recently 392 00:17:08,464 --> 00:17:10,904 Speaker 2: talked about Northwest and you can see little video of 393 00:17:10,944 --> 00:17:14,024 Speaker 2: our immediate reactions when we saw that video of her 394 00:17:14,144 --> 00:17:16,784 Speaker 2: up on stage. Otherwise, we will see you back here 395 00:17:16,824 --> 00:17:18,784 Speaker 2: in your podcast speed at three pm tomorrow. 396 00:17:19,024 --> 00:17:24,944 Speaker 1: See yea bye, Lon