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Speaker 2: I think when you're making big decisions, stay true to

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the C's the Ya Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: Day will bear all the facets of seizing your yea.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sarah Davidson or Spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned

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Speaker 1: If you follow me on social media as well as

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Speaker 2: I know, and it's I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: about and value their opinion from is extremely important in

442
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,639
Speaker 2: my life. That's how I got through leaving that degree,

443
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 2: and it was the best thing that I've ever done.

444
00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,479
Speaker 2: I mean, at the time, it was like something that

445
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,440
Speaker 2: was such a huge decision. It was like a big

446
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 2: weight on my shoulders. And the relief you feel when

447
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 2: you leave something you know you meant to leave is

448
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,080
Speaker 2: something amazing. With coming out, I think the same rule

449
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 2: really applies to that. Also. It's so sad that we

450
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,600
Speaker 2: have to do this, that people have to come out,

451
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 2: and hopefully the younger generation don't have to do this

452
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,320
Speaker 2: because it's such a an awful process and we put

453
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 2: so much pressure on ourselves on that as well an expectation.

454
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think if you stay true and you

455
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,359
Speaker 2: know you're ready within yourself, I think, don't push yourself.

456
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,160
Speaker 2: But there's never a right time to do it either,

457
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 2: so it's a really tricky one. I think leaning on

458
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 2: those people close enough to you, and if you don't

459
00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 2: have someone to lean and on, there's heaps of services

460
00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 2: accessible for you to contact, and I think that's really important.

461
00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 2: Knowing that you're not alone.

462
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, And I think I can't even remember

463
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,960
Speaker 1: who I was having this conversation with. Maybe it was

464
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 1: Francesco who was on the last week about her family

465
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 1: and her their expectations of what kind of career that

466
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: she would have. And sometimes you do until your family

467
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: come around to you know, whatever it is that you're

468
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 1: doing that's a bit unconventional or a bit you know

469
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: that they're a bit finding, a bit challenging. That you

470
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 1: do lean on different people for different things at different times.

471
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 1: It might not always be the person that you want

472
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: it from straight away, but that's why we have lots

473
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Speaker 1: of different people in our networks.

474
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Speaker 3: Even in friendships.

475
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: You lean on friends for different things, different mentors for

476
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 1: different things, and in different updoors of your life.

477
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Speaker 3: So I think that's important to build a RAAD support network.

478
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I agree with that. The more

479
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 2: people you have and the older you get, you'll realize

480
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 2: which ones you call on for which certain things. I've

481
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: got a crisis friend, I've got a party for I've.

482
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,160
Speaker 3: Got i've got a hungover friend, and I've.

483
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: Got i'll get it out through.

484
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 3: We can share some Yeah, did you have a nail friend?

485
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's down there, right friend, Well, yeah, I've got him.

486
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: We went and got our nails.

487
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 1: We went to record this last week and Steve was like,

488
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm not home yet because it can't took me to

489
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: get my nails done. And it took like three hours.

490
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Speaker 1: But we didn't know that it was going to take

491
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Speaker 1: three hours. I took one look at their nails and

492
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: they both had, like I said to you, I thought.

493
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 1: I looked at them, I was like, you guys have

494
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: like the Bible written on each individual nail. No one day.

495
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 1: It took three hours. It wasn't just a one plain color.

496
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 1: It was so intricate. You can't do that in an hour.

497
00:21:54,160 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 2: It was fine artistry on my hand. And yeah, look,

498
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 2: we both went in there with the intention that was

499
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: going to take an hour. Yeah, but it took three hours. Yeah, nice,

500
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: it was. It wasn't as relaxing as I thought, because

501
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 2: I had in the back of my mind I was

502
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 2: meeting up with you and kinds like, don't worry, Sarah,

503
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: won't care.

504
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 3: I know.

505
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: He literally decided to push it back like you know laterally,

506
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: except he didn't tell either of us.

507
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, you guys are doing that podcast later. It's fine.

508
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, on his own time.

509
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 1: So, okay, the pathway to paramedicine. How do you actually

510
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 1: become a paramedic? What hoops do you have to jump through?

511
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: Or their fitness tests? Like, how do you actually become

512
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: a paramedic?

513
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? So from the start, So when you apply for

514
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: the Uni degree, you'll go through the same fitness test

515
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: that you will go through once you finish the bachelor degree.

516
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: So you go through a fitness test and just a

517
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: general medical It's quite easy if.

518
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: You're a fit and healthy specimen. Guys, Steve has an

519
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: eight pack.

520
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 3: I'm just saying sometimes just putting it out there because

521
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 3: this is an audio platform.

522
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: I will send some a companying photos so that you

523
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: can get a reference. But you want to have no problem

524
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: with the fitness test.

525
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, well look I didn't have a problem. I'm getting

526
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 2: really hot now, yeah, cluy.

527
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: Please.

528
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you do the three year bachelor degree and

529
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: once you graduate from the bachelor degree, you then apply

530
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: for whichever service you want in Australia or you can

531
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: go to the UK or you it's transferable in the UK. Canada. Wow,

532
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: And that's pretty much it. But so career options in

533
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: certain other countries aren't that huge, so it's not transporable

534
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: in many places. But once you've applied for whatever agency

535
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: you want to work for, then you'll have to go

536
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 2: through their process of recruitment. For Ambulance Victoria, I had

537
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 2: to do a behavioral interview, so with behavioral based questions,

538
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 2: I had to do a clinical component, so go through

539
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: several scenarios to show that I'm clinically competent, which is

540
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 2: it is stressful because you have to learn so much

541
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,640
Speaker 2: and so much rides on that interview. Wow. And once

542
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 2: you pass that, you get put on an order of

543
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: merit and you get put on the order of merit

544
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: for a year up to a year, and when a

545
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: job becomes available, you get off at the job in

546
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: that year. But if you don't get off at a

547
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: job in that you need to reapply afterwards. Okay. And

548
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: then I got the job after a month, so I

549
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 2: was very lucky.

550
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 3: It can take up to you, but it took a

551
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: month me.

552
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: I was super lucky. Someone was looking out for me

553
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: in recruitment, so thank you. HR amazing. So yeah, I

554
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 2: got in and then you have to do a graduate

555
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: year so.

556
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so it's like four years all up.

557
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: To four years all up to become a paramedic. And

558
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 2: in your graduate year when I did it, you had

559
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 2: to see it like a panel type interview at the

560
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: end with scenarios. But now the graduate program has changed

561
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: and it's more of a module based month by month

562
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: to get signed off and you get signed off by

563
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: a clinical instructor on road. Wow, And that's the process,

564
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: and then you become a fully qualified paramedic.

565
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

566
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean I sometimes freak out about, you know, the

567
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: process of work, and like, oh my god, I have

568
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: to send an email today, and then I'm like, and

569
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: elsewhere people are going out as a paramedic for the

570
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: first time to an emergency that has time pressure.

571
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: There's only two of them.

572
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: Like I laugh at myself when I'm like, my job

573
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: so stressful, And then I think about paramedics and I'm like,

574
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: it's really I'm really chill. I'm basically to day's bar

575
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: all day, like, compared to what you guys do.

576
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: Look, I think it's vibe, but also I think it's

577
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 2: all relative. That's what we know, that's what you know.

578
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: But yes, it is a quite stressful job when you

579
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: think about it, and I think it takes a certain

580
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: type of person to be able to do the job.

581
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: Like it weeds out a lot of people out of

582
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: the degree at the beginning. I remember we started with

583
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: heaps the first year. By the end of second year

584
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: it was like half what started the degree.

585
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

586
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you think, I think people coming straight

587
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: out of high doing such a heavy fall on degree

588
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: straight away, because you do placement from the first year onwards,

589
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: so you're actually out in start. Yeah. So I feel

590
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 2: like that shakes people to their core. Yeah, because we

591
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: live in little bubbles and we don't get to see

592
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: the way the rest of society lives. I have a

593
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: lot of my friends were really naive before I started

594
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 2: telling them stories about what I go to on road.

595
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: I just didn't believe stuff like that happened. And it's

596
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: a really big guy opener, Like it ages you very

597
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: quickly because you realize how broad our community is and

598
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: how diverse it is, and how many people are struck

599
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 2: by tragedy and at such young ages as well.

600
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, how does I really want to get into

601
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: Also how you kind of safeguard your mental health against that,

602
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: because I often feel like even just the new cycle

603
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 1: sometimes is so negative that you can't break away from it.

604
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: So with your job forcing you to see sometimes the

605
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: worst of the worst, I think that's a huge question

606
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: for anyone who's working in industries like that. But before that,

607
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: can you just playing the structure of your job because

608
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: I didn't even know until I was researching for this

609
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: that you work four days on, four days off. You

610
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: have a partner? Are you with them all the time?

611
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: Do you ever rotate partners? Like how do your shifts work?

612
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: You know the stuff that we all take for granted

613
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: that you know, if we call up, there's going to

614
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: be a paramedic and an ambulance is going to come,

615
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone understands the mechanics of actually

616
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: making that happen.

617
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we work on a four day on, four

618
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 2: day off basis. So you do two ten hour day

619
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: shifts and then to fourteen hour night shifts. Oh my god,

620
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 2: and then you get four so chill, so chill, chill.

621
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: I don't my skin is going to be hagar after that?

622
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: All your skin is.

623
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: So feel like it aged me. I'm like, I don't

624
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: see it. Well, Mediterranean skin is doing good for you.

625
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: Don't crack for a while. Wait till I hit like

626
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 2: forty some saggy old mess. You will do not. But yeah,

627
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: so that's a basis of our job. So four days on,

628
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: four days off, which is really and a half days

629
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: off when you think about it, because your last night

630
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 2: chief sort of goes into your first day off and

631
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: you sleep till like one o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah,

632
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: and I like the rotating roster because during the week

633
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: you can get things actually done. I've never actually worked

634
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: a normal nine to five job in my life.

635
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so you don't have anything to compare it

636
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: to on shift.

637
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: I used to work in village and then I worked

638
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: at a hospital village.

639
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: I love everyone's like first job when they're thirteen and

640
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: nine months or fourteen and nine months or whatever it

641
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: is when you can first start working. It's like Gloria

642
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: Jeans or like the local surf show. Just we all

643
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: have some random, like weird part time job that's like, oh,

644
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: why did you choose that I worked at dick Smith?

645
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: Did you actually knew nothing about anything? I was like,

646
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: I just read off the sign, like this computer.

647
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: Is the C three two Q ram something something.

648
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: It's got a twelve gig of RAM. I don't know

649
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 2: what you do with it.

650
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: I know ram here, but it's a lot of gigs.

651
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

652
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I guess then you've always been used

653
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: to shift work, so it wasn't like a big adjustment

654
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: or was it still?

655
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 3: I mean you sleep during the day. That's so hard.

656
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it is hard. It is hard to

657
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: get adjusted to shift work is a killer, But I

658
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: think it's something you always have to like revisit and

659
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: navigate what works for you. It took me about a

660
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: year to finally get a solid planning place about how

661
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: I sleep before my night shifts and how I sort

662
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: of like organize my life around it. I think if

663
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: you meal prep the day before you start your four

664
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: days on, you're already at an advantage coming home and

665
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: cooking after those big shifts. Because we do a lot

666
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: of incidental overtime. So if you get a job at

667
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: four thirty and you finish at five, that will now

668
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: take you maybe up to six thirty seven pm at night.

669
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: It's just the paperwork and everything.

670
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: People forget that. So every patient needs like a patient

671
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: care record, So after every patient we visit, we've got

672
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: to do paperwork for so you can be working like

673
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: you can occur about like six hours of overtime a week. Wow,

674
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

675
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: I I am great in a mid level emergency like

676
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: or a logistical emergency, like I can keep my call.

677
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm very good at prioritizing, delegating. But when it's a

678
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: health emergency for some reason, suddenly I'm like the least

679
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: dependable person, which is the opposite of my personality. But

680
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: I get super freaked out. Like even if someone's throwing

681
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: up like mild level just gastra I'm like like lose

682
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: the plot. How do you stay calm? And particularly as

683
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: a new paramedic when it's all new, I feel like

684
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: doctors often have a brief. They have some kind of

685
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: picture of the situation that's coming in and often not

686
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: all the time, but often the urgency isn't quite there

687
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: as much as a paramedic is. Like you've got like

688
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: maybe thirty seconds to you know, diagnose what you need

689
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: to do.

690
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 3: Like how do you keep a cool head?

691
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: Look, as a graduate, I was like a duck in water, yeah,

692
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: with the feet paddling like psychotically, and then my head

693
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: at the top to smiling. Yeah, yeah, Like.

694
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: That's that's fine.

695
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: You're not dying.

696
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: You're all good.

697
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: Literally that, But I think over time you get so

698
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: much better at knowing what you're doing. And it's so methodical.

699
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: Everything we do is very methodical, and it's like a

700
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: systematic approach, so you don't miss things. And once you

701
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: get the grasp of that, it's really hard to stray

702
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: away from it. And at the end of the day,

703
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: you've studied for three years, you do the one year

704
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: graduate program where you have supervision, so by the fourth

705
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: year you're pretty consolidated in your clinical practice. Not to

706
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: say that you're still not freaking out, because sometimes you

707
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: don't see a cardiac arrest for at least six months,

708
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: or sometimes you, of course don't even deliver a birth

709
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: at all, Like I've only just really did delivery.

710
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: God, I've forgotten of course.

711
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: Literally, so some people go their whole career without delivering

712
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: a baby.

713
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 3: Have you delivered a baby?

714
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Very close to and I was sweating, Oh,

715
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: I can't do this, I can't do this, And she

716
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: was pushing in the back and we just got to

717
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: the raw woman's Oh.

718
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: My gosh, like nearly literally in your hand, crowning. Oh,

719
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: it's so cool.

720
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: I wanted to say that I was able to do it,

721
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: but also there's just a lot that can go wrong.

722
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: Yes, the stress of that.

723
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: So if someone's in labor, it's like pedal to the metal.

724
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: Okay, rumor that I've heard, I actually heard it about police,

725
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: but I feel like it would apply to if it's true.

726
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: I feel like, do you have the light flicky things

727
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: where you can make lights change? No?

728
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 3: Oh really, yes, you just go through the red lights.

729
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: Just go through the red lights. I mean jobs get

730
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: coded differently, soly a code one or a Priority zero

731
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: get lights and science. Okay, jobs can go up to

732
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: a code three.

733
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: So okay, so you know when you're allowed to use them?

734
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so's there's very strict rules around it. You're only

735
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: allowed to use them for a Priority zero, a Code

736
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: one job. I cannot use them for anything else.

737
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: And do you swap who's driving and who's in the back.

738
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you half a shift you'll treat Yeah, or

739
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: you just do like job about like one will do

740
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: one job, one will do the next. Yeah.

741
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it just depends to you with Okay,

742
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: so what are the things that you find the most

743
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: fulfilling and the most like the bits you love like

744
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: for example, you know, getting a mum to the hospital

745
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: and then seeing the baby, or you know, what are

746
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: the things that you just give you excitement.

747
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: Give me excitement and that make me love this job.

748
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: And then some is when you like effectively see your

749
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: treatment give change to the patient, say someone with anaphylaxis.

750
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: And anaphylaxis is a very like quick changing condition. Same

751
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: with asthma, where a patient can become very critically unwell.

752
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: So once we give our treatment, our drugs, you can

753
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: see such an improvement so quickly and you're like I

754
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: have or even a cardiac arrest for instance, when you

755
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: bring someone back to life. It doesn't happen often or

756
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: as often as people think because it's not all blood

757
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: and guts or like deep trauma and no one's always

758
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: going to heart attacks straight away.

759
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's not like bread and butter of what

760
00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: you need.

761
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: No, it's not the bread and what we do. But

762
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: when we do it and you see change and see family, yeah,

763
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: well it's so nice when you get to a job

764
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: and people's face has changed from this shock to a

765
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: relief and just knowing that they're putting all their trust

766
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: in you. They don't even know us. Then they see

767
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: us and they're like, here you go, I trust you

768
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: with everything.

769
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: It's very rare, take everything not part of going to

770
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: people do.

771
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: That literally and some people have done that, And I

772
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: think that's an amazing thing. That's not very often where

773
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: you can say you go to a job where someone

774
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: is still so much trust in you as a complete

775
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: stranger and then thanks you afterwards for just doing your job.

776
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 1: Wow, what would you say is the bread and butter?

777
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Like would it surprise us the things that you say the.

778
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: Most bread and butter is elderly falls, Well, someone's got

779
00:34:53,160 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: broad red chest pain, shortness of breath, wherever they come from.

780
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: I would say our bread and butter, the three main ones.

781
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: Wow, that's really interesting.

782
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: And you also mentioned before that you get to see

783
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: people from all different kinds of backgrounds, like across a

784
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: cross section, Like there are some jobs that just give

785
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: you access to people's stories that are so broad, Like

786
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: do you actually get to.

787
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: Chat a lot of the time? Once you've done all

788
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: your medical and like questioning and history taking, you actually

789
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 2: get to have decent conversations with people from literally every

790
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: walk of life known to mankind. Like I said, we

791
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: have this rare ability where we get to meet people

792
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: from literally all walks of life in this job. And

793
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: I'm like a sponge. I walk through someone's house, i

794
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: can see two photos of a grandchild on the wall,

795
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: and then I asked them, I'm like, how old are

796
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: your grandkids? And then they start dwelving into their past.

797
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: And so many people have such enriching stories. And I've

798
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: been in the back of the ambulance multiple times where

799
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: these oldies, because I love the oldies. They just want

800
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: to have a good and they have such like profound advice,

801
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: like such good advice to give you. And it's always

802
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: one thing they always say is live life to the fullest.

803
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: And if everyone of them is saying that, it clearly

804
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: means that we must do those things. Yeah.

805
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely, It's kind of morbid but also really inspiring in

806
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: a backwards way. There's a book about the Regrets of

807
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 1: the Dying.

808
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: Have you heard of that book?

809
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 4: Yes?

810
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: I have, Yeah, And I feel like that's like, in

811
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: a weird way, it kind of reminds you of your mortality,

812
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: which sounds negative, but it's actually so positive that the

813
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: messages that most people have on their deathbed is the

814
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: same and it's not the things that we really worry about. Now,

815
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: it's not our success, it's not our like goalkicking, it's

816
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: spend time with your loved ones. It's like, don't waste this,

817
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, don't stop and waste the small moments, all

818
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: those things that you're like, gosh, well, if they're all

819
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: saying that, then I should be listening.

820
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: Correct.

821
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's the same every time, like universally, this

822
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: is what people, it's.

823
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: Pick get it into my head.

824
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: We all face different forms of natian life, but research

825
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: shows that loneliness is on the rise in Australia, with

826
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: two in five Australians reporting feeling lonely in a typical week.

827
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: We talk regularly on this podcast about the importance of

828
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: building a neighborhood around you, but does that necessarily combat loneliness?

829
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: Can you still feel.

830
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: Lonely even if you have good people around you? What

831
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: actually is loneliness? Do we really understand it? We Are

832
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: Lonely is a podcast that investigates loneliness and its impact

833
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: on society through works of pop culture, with esteemed guests

834
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Speaker 1: like Matrix and Lord of the Rings actor Hugo Weaving,

835
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836
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Speaker 1: Gardens Darren Hayes and Moore. Hosted by research fellow at

837
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Speaker 1: Melbourne University, doctor Frederick Kiernan and former Triple JABC and

838
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Speaks and Specs host Mif Warhurst. It's a fascinating listen

839
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: to add to your list. Listen to We Are Lonely

840
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Speaker 1: on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your

841
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: podcast today. Now, small content warning here because I love

842
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: gory detail. Not everyone might, and you definitely don't share

843
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: if you're not comfortable with it or if it's confidential.

844
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: But what other really hard things that you see or

845
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: the hardest thing that you've experienced.

846
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: The hardest thing that I find in this job is

847
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: when you're met with abuse, yeah, or when you're dealing

848
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: with family members after someone's passed away or someone's going

849
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: through something extremely tragic. It's really nice to be able

850
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 2: to be there for someone, but it's also heartbreaking watching

851
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: someone lose the love of their life that they've been

852
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: married to for however many years. That's heartbreaking. But yeah,

853
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen that often. Like I said before, the

854
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: abuse happens so daily. Wow. Yeah, So there is a

855
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: small portion of the community, whether they be drug affected

856
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: or alcohol affected, whether it's mental health. There is a

857
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: lot of abuse towards us, and it is right towards

858
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: your own stuff. It was highlighting the media a lot

859
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: last year. Yeah, yeah that yeah, but yeah, there is

860
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: a zero tolerance policy now, and it's actually a conviction

861
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: if you're just an emergency healthcare worker, one hundred percent

862
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: it should be because I mean, you go to your

863
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 2: job and you sit in the comfort of your own home.

864
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: You hope and pray that someone does not come in

865
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: there and spit on you or punch you in the face.

866
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: Like no one deserves to go to work and feel unsafe.

867
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: And I must admit there are times where I do

868
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: feel unsafe, but thankfully with the help of police, I

869
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: would never go into a scene that I don't feel

870
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: safe or comfortable going into.

871
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's even harder that you're not just there.

872
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: You're there usually to help someone, Like it's not like

873
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: you're just a bystander who's walked in it, rocked up

874
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: and just like stealing stuff.

875
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 3: You know, I there for altruistic.

876
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 1: Reasons, so even more reason I think why, Like, yeah,

877
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: especially over the last twelve to age towards two years

878
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: more than two years now.

879
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: How crazy?

880
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Emergency healthcare workers have really been hit harder than anyone

881
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: and still continue to not really have that reprieve, So

882
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: people taking it out on them is just so unacceptable.

883
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, there should be, like I said before,

884
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: zero tolerance to anyone, whether it be paramedics, nurses, doctors, pathologists,

885
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 2: anyone that shouldn't happen.

886
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: And you mentioned mental health in there. How do you

887
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: safeguard your own? Then the question that I kind of

888
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: started talking about earlier, because I think all of us

889
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: are struggling, particularly over the last few years, to find

890
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: balance or deal coat with the uncertainty. But when your

891
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: actual day to day job is trauma and challenge, or

892
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: even just because you're such an emotive person who seems

893
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: to empathize so much with people's stories and that you

894
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: even see the grandchildren in the photos, I can imagine

895
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: it be hard to separate as well from like leave

896
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: people after you've spent such an intimate moment with them

897
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: and leave that behind when you go home to sleep, Like,

898
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: how do you even sleep with all that? How have

899
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: you learned to kind of safeguard yourself.

900
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: From thee go. I was always told never to take

901
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: the jobs home with you, and I tend to not

902
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: follow up if I on someone who's gone to hospital

903
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: because sometimes the bigger picture, you know, it can help

904
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: you clinically with your diagnosis and stuff like that. However,

905
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: if someone passes away, sometimes you just don't need to

906
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: know those things because then it can become a bigger problem.

907
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:22,959
Speaker 3: Yeah.

908
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, my mental health, the way I look after

909
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: it is I have certainty knowing, like if I exercise

910
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: and come home and wind down after work. My dog

911
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: is a bigger saver. I just love she's she needs

912
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: to make an appearance soon. She's literally exhausted because I

913
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: took it to the beach order yesterday ad run. She's

914
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: had a very very good run around. And my family

915
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: and friends, I lean in on them so much and

916
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: they're just like the most amazing people. And I have

917
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: a very good support network. So whenever I go to

918
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: a big job, I'll just message them and tell them

919
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: and they're so easy to talk to. In my friendship group,

920
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: I've got a psychologist amazing, which is so handy.

921
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: Everyone listening all get a psychologist's friend.

922
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: It's the best Yeah, literally the best. So she's great.

923
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: But then also all my other friends are just amazing

924
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: as well, and my colleagues, so you lean in on

925
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: each other. Yeah, when things are tough, we're a good

926
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: bunch of people and we stick together, so I must

927
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: admit I just do that. But there's also peer support.

928
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: We have a peace support network, and we actually have

929
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: a counseling network and a psychologist network that we're paid

930
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: for as well if you need those services. Yeah, so

931
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 2: there's plenty of support available, which is great because some

932
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: people may have different coping mechanisms to me. So I

933
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: can't speak on behalf of every paramedic because some may

934
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: not be okay. And given the last couple of years

935
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: we've had, some people's mental resilience has been tested and

936
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: I've seen it. I'm totally sure of it. It's been

937
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: a very hard time in healthcare.

938
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does look like Ambulance Vick has some wonderful things,

939
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: like one of our programs and seems like a really

940
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: supportive workplace. And also the fact that they or at

941
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: Pride March on the weekend. Yes, how is it being

942
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: a gay paramedic? Is that even a thing?

943
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: Not at all? As soon as I joined, there was

944
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: not even a question. Every partner that I worked with,

945
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: from younger people to older men in their sixties, would

946
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: ask do you have a partner, So already their language

947
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: was inclusive. It wasn't even saying do you have a girlfriend?

948
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: No one's ever even asked me that. Really, Yeah, legitimately,

949
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's because, like in healthcare, you

950
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 2: just see everyone from all works of life, so you

951
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: learn to respect people for who they are, yeah, not

952
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 2: what you want them to be, so you just ask

953
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: the polite questions. And I've been a parent for six

954
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: years now and never have I felt belittled, unsafe at work,

955
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: or anything to do with my sexuality. So it's fantastic,

956
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: I know.

957
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: And it's one thing to feel like you've got an

958
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: inclusive environment, but another to see actual advocacy like you

959
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 1: were in your uniform at these events and the actual

960
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: organization going and being part of march is like, that's amazing.

961
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: CEO was there and he's so supportive, and yeah, Ambulance

962
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: Victoria is one of those organizations that thankfully recognizes that

963
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 2: they are doing something, but there is also a lot

964
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: more room for improvement, so they're not stopping now and

965
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: saying Okay, that's an arctic Yeah, they're not just ticking

966
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: the boxes. They actually ask staff their own opinions and like,

967
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: they've got a diversity and inclusion cancel that I'm actually

968
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: going to.

969
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: I wrote it down. I was like, you're in on Yeah,

970
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 3: the council.

971
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cancel. So yeah, it's chaired by our CEO

972
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: and he literally sits there and it's like a full

973
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: honest chat about how Ambulance Victoria can better serve the

974
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: community we represent because that's the focus of our organization

975
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: is the community, because that's who we have. They're are patients,

976
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: that's who we take care of. So he Tony, our CEO,

977
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: recognizes that there's a lot more to do, and he

978
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: is actually an acting change on that, which is good.

979
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: And it makes me proud to work for an organization

980
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: like that, which is good.

981
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's amazing.

982
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: I know, itt and soppy, but it's amazing. It's amazing

983
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: to be excited about where you are and yeah, and

984
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: feel like I think it's one thing to have organizations

985
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: who say certain things, but then to actually implement councils

986
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: and like measures to actually continually improve.

987
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: It's not a place to get people exercise.

988
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the vulnerable people with disabilities, not just

989
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: it's not all about LGBTIQ plus youth. It falls under

990
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: anything women in the workplace, flexible work agreements for women

991
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: who have just had babies are trying to return to work.

992
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: It's literally advocating for those small minority groups that don't

993
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: get their voice. So it's great.

994
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, random question that I just thought of then, because

995
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: it's such an intense job, is it a like burnout

996
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: early kind of job, Like, is it a career that

997
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: doesn't last people, you know the distance that I say

998
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: an office job might.

999
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the burnout rate is fairly what's the word I'm

1000
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: looking for. It happens a lot people burn out very quickly,

1001
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: I think from the fatigue element from the shift work

1002
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: on top with the mental health flow that you have

1003
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: to take on. And some people just realize it's not

1004
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: the job for them after starting it and thinking this

1005
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: is what I want to do, and then they get

1006
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: into the nitty gritty of it and it's a bit

1007
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: too much. But like any job, you have the choice

1008
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: to leave. So a lot of people do choose to

1009
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: leave and go on and do something else. But yeah,

1010
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: given the whole pandemic, I think a lot of paramedics

1011
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: have been burnt out by this, which is so sad

1012
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 2: because we unfortunately are losing like very skilled people and

1013
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: people have been in the job for a while.

1014
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: Is there a common kind of career path out of

1015
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: paramedicine if you've done you know, in your younger years,

1016
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: your time out on the road, and then you want

1017
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 3: to still use that kind of medical knowledge, but transition

1018
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: to something or do people just kind of go everywhere?

1019
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: People kind of go everywhere. I think it's like a

1020
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: bridging pathway to other degrees, but there's nothing else you

1021
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: can really do with a paramedicine degree. It's either you'd

1022
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: be a paramedic work in one of the states, and

1023
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: you can't really change it up that much. You're very pigeonhole.

1024
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 2: It's like this is what you're doing now. You've made

1025
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: this choice to stick with it, which is kind of

1026
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: hard when people want a career change. But there are

1027
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: so many options for other deployments within ambulance Victoria. Like

1028
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: I worked in resourcing for a little bit. I team

1029
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: managed for a little bit. We've got referral service where

1030
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: you can take clinical calls over the phone for non

1031
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 2: emergency events. So there are heaps of other avenues within

1032
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: ambulance Victoria to help stop the boon outright, to help

1033
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: keep people invigorated and wanting to keep doing this job. Yeah.

1034
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: I think one of the big things in generally in

1035
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: life keeping people engaged and you know, in the language

1036
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: of this podcast, to keep them seizing their yay is

1037
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: that work is obviously quite consuming and it's a big

1038
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: part of your life, but that it's not the only

1039
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: part of your life. That you have something that's your

1040
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: passion outside of it that gives you complete distance. And

1041
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: I call it, you know, your playta like the things

1042
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: you do that aren't necessarily productive, that don't necessarily relate

1043
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: in any way to what you do. It doesn't make

1044
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: you better at your job, but they're just to give

1045
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: you joy, to give you some space. So how do

1046
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: you play?

1047
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: How do I play? I mean, I am like my

1048
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: pie chart.

1049
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: I describe it.

1050
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: That, oh my God, pearl of wisdom, taking that for life.

1051
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: So my pie chart, I think is like sixty cheesecake cheesecake. Well,

1052
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: I go maybe ten percent cheesecake. I love cheesecake, but

1053
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: there are so many.

1054
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: Other deserves a lot of cheese cheesecake.

1055
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, too many, too much? Take me eight, pat Well,

1056
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: the IBS is probably the.

1057
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: That's a big at, that's an ata, yeah, oath to

1058
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: that can let me have a little bit moderation.

1059
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: What else in my pie chart? I love making furniture

1060
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: out of limestone, not actual furniture. Yes, so do that

1061
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: so creative.

1062
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: I love it.

1063
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: So that's like my go to. I literally start that

1064
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: and I go to be placed because I don't think

1065
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: of anything else because you're so focused on making something

1066
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: that I put music on and I'm in my haven.

1067
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 2: I love the beach, I love the gym, I love

1068
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 2: my dog sleep. Yeah, and I'm just spending time with family, friends,

1069
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: and I eat out far too much, but I just

1070
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: love it.

1071
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 3: There's no far too much.

1072
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 4: But I know what.

1073
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: You're supporting local business. You're doing the right thing. I'm

1074
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: doing my part, being very selfless here.

1075
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: This is such a great way.

1076
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: It's all about perspective, correct, It's how you look at things,

1077
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: not how they actually are. I just I'm holding up

1078
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: the small economy. It's what I think.

1079
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: Yes, correct.

1080
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1081
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: So now when I go out for dinner, I'm going

1082
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: to think I'm supporting this business.

1083
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,959
Speaker 1: I'm investing in Australia. Not my account has no money,

1084
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: not water saving, Like I don't even know what that is. Yeah,

1085
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: legitimately you've kept Australia going, is what I think.

1086
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: So thank you.

1087
00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 3: You're a natural here.

1088
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: You gave me pie chart, I give you, you know,

1089
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: mindset about spending on the local businesses.

1090
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it has changed my mind is blind. I'm

1091
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: so happy.

1092
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: And what about the fact that you're about to go

1093
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: on or you've just started six weeks of leave? And

1094
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us find time off is

1095
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: so important. But the switch off from your productive self

1096
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: that has a purpose every day and our identity is

1097
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: so wrapped up in what we do and our titles

1098
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: like I'm a paramedic, I help people.

1099
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: So then sometimes when you go on holiday, it's like

1100
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 3: who am I? What is the future? What am I doing?

1101
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: Like?

1102
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: Do you find it hard to switch off? And do

1103
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 1: you find it you know you do have an identity

1104
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: outside of your work. Do you struggle when you're not

1105
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: being productive? You're like one of those jittery people who

1106
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: can't rest or do you like resting?

1107
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: Look, I can't sit still, but I don't get the jitters.

1108
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 2: I just have to always be doing something, whether it's

1109
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: be walking, whether it's be at the gym, whether it's

1110
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: be seeing someone, or it's cleaning the house. I think

1111
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: I have OCD. Like I wipe the bench like fifteen

1112
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: thousand times a day and there's nothing even on it.

1113
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: No, that's so good. Can you talk to my husband

1114
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: about that?

1115
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: Look, I will have a meeting. This is quaint, and

1116
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: I have to have certain.

1117
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: Products like oh my god, you bleach level.

1118
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: Like like especially in the bathroom. Yeah, like people who

1119
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: wipe things with paper towel, Like you need to be

1120
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: like everything needs to be checked.

1121
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the germs are still there, but still we

1122
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: need chemicals that are chemicals like industrial grade paramedic level

1123
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: cleaning basically services correct watch out body, Oh my god?

1124
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. Okay, so play the eight. Are you a

1125
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 3: TV watcher?

1126
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: Do you read books?

1127
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: What are your favorite shows?

1128
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: Okay? So I do all the above.

1129
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: Follow me.

1130
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: I love a self help book. I'm like a big

1131
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: sucker for them. Yes, I just find them so easy

1132
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: to read and everyone can relate to them. That's what

1133
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: I love about them is the fact that everyone can

1134
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 2: relate to a self help book.

1135
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we're all really messed up. Yeah, we need

1136
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: these books.

1137
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: And if you're not messed up, you're clearly lying and

1138
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: it's a big facade or you're boring. Yeah that as well,

1139
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: And look, it takes all types of people to make

1140
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: up the world. But come on, please don't be boring.

1141
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you gravitate towards in a self help book?

1142
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: Are you like a negative self talk? Are you a

1143
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: need to learn that work life balance?

1144
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 4: Like?

1145
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: What are the big.

1146
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: Trigger areas for you that you feel like? Because I

1147
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: really resonate towards burnout. I'm always the whole like unwrap

1148
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: your identity from your productivity, Like that's my kind of thing.

1149
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: And self doubt, I think, particularly as a woman, that's

1150
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: constantly the imposter syndrome of I don't just have to

1151
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: be here?

1152
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: Why did I get this job? Oh my god, it's

1153
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 3: all going to go. What are your kind of areas?

1154
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 2: Mine lately, I would say, is like my time management

1155
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: and taking on far too much and being a yes man.

1156
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: Oh you're a yes man.

1157
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: I am a yes man, I say, And I spread

1158
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: myself way for with thin to the point where I crack,

1159
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: and then I just feel about myself. Yeah, because I

1160
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: have nothing left to give, so I end up spending

1161
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: far too much time with everyone, and I try to

1162
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 2: do everything all at once, and that it all comes

1163
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 2: crumbling down because then I don't have because I burn

1164
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: myself out. So burnout. It's a huge one for me, definitely.

1165
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: And just like about the way people work and relationships,

1166
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 2: I find that very interesting in a self help book.

1167
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: And what do I gravitate towards. I think that's pretty

1168
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: much it.

1169
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: That's not actually really well adjusted.

1170
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: Well, I try to be weird. I think we always

1171
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 2: have room for improvement. You're always learning. That's my thing,

1172
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: and that's why I love reading them, even if it's

1173
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: not a particular thing that I am looking at at

1174
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 2: that point in time. I think you learn so much

1175
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: from them.

1176
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Well, the second last question in this who

1177
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 3: are you outside of work kind of area is just

1178
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: three things about you that don't normally come up in conversation.

1179
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: All three things about me that don't normally like.

1180
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 3: The weirder the better, like IBS is one, but you

1181
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: already use that. Yeah, look I have Gussie.

1182
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, baby, I told you overshare.

1183
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: Oh you're a burber that's better than the other way.

1184
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm my poor husband.

1185
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: That's why I need to avoid cheese and all dairy,

1186
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: but I still eat it.

1187
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you got to live a little.

1188
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 4: So good.

1189
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure no one's here.

1190
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you've got to time it. Got a cheese schedule, Yeah,

1191
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 3: you got to think about it. Yeah, totally schedule.

1192
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have tattoos. I have one, two, three, four tattooes.

1193
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: What are they? One on the left side of my achilles,

1194
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: which is my mum and sister's birthday. That's so.

1195
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: I have the same my brother, we have the same

1196
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: birthday and and Roman numerals.

1197
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: We have called your tattoo takey. But I also call.

1198
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh me too, I know.

1199
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 2: Literally me and my sister also got anbl eye tatoo

1200
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: in the background achilles. And I've got my grandfather's name

1201
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: who passed from cancer.

1202
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 3: Oh that's lovely. I mean, wow, I need to clarify

1203
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: choice of words, timing everything.

1204
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1205
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: So that's that's the second thing. I don't know what

1206
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: the third thing is.

1207
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 3: You have a middle name?

1208
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 2: Don't have a middle name? Really, my pet peeves are

1209
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 2: people were deeply arrogant okay, yeah, like I hate it. Yeah,

1210
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: I hate it so much. There's a difference between confidence

1211
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: and arrogance. I just cannot stand people who are so

1212
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: arrogant where they come into a room and little other

1213
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: people based on their own opinions. I think everything, everyone's

1214
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: got something to say, everyone should be heard. But when

1215
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: I just hate arrogant people.

1216
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an interesting And I believe you don't have

1217
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: a middle name.

1218
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have. The Greeks don't have middle names,

1219
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: Yeah they don't.

1220
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I thought Greeks have lots of middle names. No, but

1221
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: are you named after a grandfather something? How many Sieves

1222
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: are there?

1223
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 2: Only two? There's three Michaels, Okay, how many cons? Look,

1224
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: there's no cons. If I was called Con, I'd be

1225
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: taking mum to birth, death and marriages. I'd be like,

1226
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 2: sign this woman right now because my name is not Con.

1227
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad I got Steve's cool. It's actually Steve man

1228
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: or steady or Greek stious. I did not know that.

1229
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I love it.

1230
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: One of my best friends is Greg and she'll always

1231
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: correct me, like with the full name. She's getting married soon.

1232
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: Her husband just converted the.

1233
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: Big Greek wedding. Wedding.

1234
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: So excited, shout out to you, Cat, I'm so excited.

1235
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: Which always is she? How sweet Bokler's doll for those planet.

1236
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm like I could have just said anything.

1237
00:56:53,960 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: She's like, bitchy.

1238
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 3: Oh, Actually, do you have marriage in your dreams of

1239
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: the future? Is that something that you want to do?

1240
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 2: Definitely?

1241
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 3: I want to have you want to have kids.

1242
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: I want to have kids. I want to have one

1243
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: or two kids, no more. Yeah. I wish that it

1244
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: was a bit easier for gay parents to have children here.

1245
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, my friend fosters with his partner, which is

1246
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: also an option.

1247
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: You heard the dads that they live fostering recently.

1248
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is fantastic. And I think there's so many

1249
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: kids that have displaced families. So helping out in the

1250
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: Chinese minu way that you can is fantastic. So I

1251
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 2: would love to do that eventually. I just need more time,

1252
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: and I don't have time at the moment to dedicate.

1253
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: So I think when I am in my middle thirties,

1254
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,919
Speaker 2: I think I'll consider having children. And I'm twenty nine.

1255
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: Are you not even thirty?

1256
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: I just look over thirty.

1257
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: I told you don't at all. I told you that

1258
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: mediterrane is skinna. I was like, he's like twelve, You're

1259
00:57:58,520 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: part of medical already.

1260
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? Look, I think maybe

1261
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 2: like a resort type maybe BALI if there.

1262
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 3: It's reopen, doesn't it? I think your tattoos right.

1263
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: Stop.

1264
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: You will not I will not ever see you.

1265
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: I would not be caught dead.

1266
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 3: I know you wouldn't be good.

1267
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: Little of your back. No, no, no, not happening. My

1268
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 2: guys do not do that. We don't they literally, no

1269
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: gay would be called dead unless it was like social suicide.

1270
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: Unless like Machino made like it into like a call.

1271
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: You know how they do those like ironic tacky things

1272
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: turned Oh yeah.

1273
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: Literally fashion high fashion. Yeah, jazzle it.

1274
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: With a glue guy, like, but jazzle it with the.

1275
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: I love how your guys hasn't come out that flamboyantly

1276
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: at all in this conversation.

1277
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: But at the end, but jazzer with the glue girl.

1278
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: Look, I'm happy to show your hands down. I'm a

1279
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: master of the gluega and honestly, I really yeah.

1280
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 3: Do you do the full costumes for martographs all the time?

1281
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what's your favorite one being I need

1282
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: photographic evidence to a company.

1283
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: This also, what's my favorite one being like how flamboyant

1284
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: do you go? Like feathers?

1285
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done feathers before. I've done like a painted

1286
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 2: my whole body read once when there's a devil, I

1287
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: dye my hair bleached blonde. So that's a commitment because yeah.

1288
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 3: Like peroxided like Biber looking.

1289
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah I didn't look like Biba. I wish I did,

1290
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: But do you really actually know? It is very high

1291
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: boh yeah, but like he's still kind of hot.

1292
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: He's pretty hot.

1293
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what, he's so much younger than me.

1294
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: That went the minute that he went from like he's

1295
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: a twelve year old choir singer to like Calvin kleinad,

1296
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't cut this my world legitimately,

1297
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: Like why am I attracted to you? And you're gross

1298
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: and hobo chic looking? But I still like there's still

1299
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: something that is There's still something inside my body, There's.

1300
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: Something something like what is that about? I love it?

1301
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: It's so weird.

1302
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: Okay, well, we definitely have to unearth those photos because

1303
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: I love that there's that side of you that's like

1304
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: do you do makeup.

1305
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: No, I'm terrible makeup.

1306
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: Are you really?

1307
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 2: Used to try and do my sister's makeup when I

1308
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: was a kid, and she was like, no, I put

1309
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: a hair brush in her hair once because I was

1310
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: trying to style her hair and it got caught in

1311
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 2: there and my mum had to cut her hair off.

1312
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1313
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 2: I know she hated me for it. I was just

1314
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: trying to be a stylist. And look just a bit

1315
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: more of this, yeah, I know it literally, and you're

1316
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: just in the makeup. It looks like she tripped and

1317
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: fell in Mecca and just like collected everything out there,

1318
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: all of the shade, all the shades that once.

1319
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like that was fashion in the nineties though,

1320
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: like all the colors, like blue eye shadows.

1321
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 2: I think I told myself that in hindsight, like it

1322
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: wasn't that good.

1323
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, we know, we know our strengths. Yeah, and

1324
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: I stick to my strengths. Yeah, that's good, that's good.

1325
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: I know my weaknesses. I'm aware of them. There are

1326
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: lots of them. I'm sure there aren't that many. Cheesecake

1327
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: one obviously, Yeah, look, cheesecakes. Sweets are my weakness. Alan's lollies.

1328
01:00:58,240 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you and my husband are the same.

1329
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: I could smash a bag and a second.

1330
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: To be clear, I would not break for a LOLLI

1331
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 3: you wouldn wouldn't break.

1332
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: For I would. I came here with them right now.

1333
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 2: I would like push you over and be like, give

1334
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 2: me those things.

1335
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 1: Well, we have like kilogram bags like the office works

1336
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: once Old Times and Nickel. Eat the whole thing yesterday,

1337
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: my bag or all am, the whole bag, the whole bag.

1338
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't not if it was the last thing anymore. Yau,

1339
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: It's like what else sweet? I love like pastry past

1340
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: half pastry.

1341
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna killer, Oh my god, yes, oh my god.

1342
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 4: I've gone And I was like, oh my god, there,

1343
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 4: I love that.

1344
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 2: And buckle of bar yeah, I love my young makes

1345
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 2: like the meanest buck looks. They're the best.

1346
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 3: I have one who lives next door, and every Greek

1347
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 3: Easter she'll bring over like a hole I'm worth of.

1348
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: No.

1349
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: The barbecue, oh my god, meat, like the meat trays.

1350
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: It's like she knows and that for years it was

1351
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: just whatever was leftover. Now I feel like she just

1352
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: puts extra on because she knows she's going to bring

1353
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: us the whole tray of stuff.

1354
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 3: It's so sweet.

1355
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 2: All they wanted to is feed you. I know, every

1356
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: time I go home to my grandma, she's like, you

1357
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: look skinny.

1358
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: You know I'm trying.

1359
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: I know, well literally thank you. But also I know

1360
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: why she says it, because she wants to feed me

1361
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: a ridiculous amount of food, and I literally end up

1362
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: rolling out of her house.

1363
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 3: I don't think you could ever roll.

1364
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, look, you're two percent body fat

1365
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: over there, and he's not rolling anywhere.

1366
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 2: Look, this is thank God for genetics, because what I

1367
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: eat sometimes I don't know how it transcends to this.

1368
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 3: Like I work hard at the gym.

1369
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this like text work. It does a lot of work,

1370
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: especially how many.

1371
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 3: Times together the gym, like sixty seven times a week.

1372
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: Sick it's just seven, but sometimes five. I change it up.

1373
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 2: It depends. That's how exhausted I am. Like last year

1374
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 2: and it went five days. But but like I'll make

1375
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: up for it, yeah, like on a day off and

1376
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: I'll work harder on the next session. I think, like

1377
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: with exercise, people sometimes like overdo it or underdo it.

1378
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: I think it's finding what best works for you and

1379
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 2: makes you happy. If you're not happy doing it and

1380
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: doesn't bring you joy, I don't know why people do it. Yeah,

1381
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: I mean at the start, obviously it's not going to

1382
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 2: bring you joy because it's hard. Anything in life does

1383
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: not bring you joy, and at the start it always is.

1384
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, I've gotten to the point now it's sort

1385
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: of just maintenance. So I just go and I enjoy it.

1386
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: It's my me time. I put my headphones in. Yeah,

1387
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 2: I blast and Beyonce and just get it done.

1388
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 3: I was going to say, what's your track?

1389
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: I go to SoundCloud and like play some Beyonce mash up.

1390
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 2: It gets me through and it's like some trap remix.

1391
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: I listen to the same thing all the time. It's like,

1392
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: oh the ring going, Yeah like this anyway, it's great.

1393
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: It's a good chance to get you pumped up. Amazing.

1394
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, the music makes all the difference.

1395
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: It honestly does. Like I've got my playlist for cleaning

1396
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: the house, I've got a playlist for like feeling good.

1397
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: I've got a playlist for like ready to go out.

1398
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 3: I need a pump up.

1399
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, any playlists. He wont just hit me out back, I.

1400
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,439
Speaker 1: Will I find that because I'm a nana these days,

1401
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 1: like when I do go out, which is very rare,

1402
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: although it happened twice on this weekend, and both times

1403
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: with KHN, I'm the common denominator.

1404
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 2: Baby, he's a demon.

1405
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 3: Demon.

1406
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 2: In relation to that, he and I were doing shots

1407
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: on Saturday night. I've never done so many tequila shots

1408
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: in my life. He's like, I'm not drinking. It was

1409
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: my birthday. But he's like, I'm not drinking. And then

1410
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: he's like, no, I'm just not drinking alcohol like in

1411
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: a carp I was like, what do you mean? No,

1412
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: I'm just not drinking like actual alcohol, but I'm doing shots.

1413
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 2: I was like, cal, that's actual alcohol, that's actual that's

1414
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 2: in a cup shots. It's still drinking, still drinking. He's hilarious.

1415
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: God bless him. Oh my god.

1416
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 3: I had so much fun at Puffed Off. It was

1417
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 3: the greatest well not actual Puffed Off, but and killed

1418
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 3: a bowls club puff the lawn.

1419
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you are your best life DJing like missing

1420
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: DJing up there, like you were great.

1421
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: I was having the greatest time. But I was like,

1422
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm like literally in bed by six thirty normally.

1423
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like what am I doing up here and then

1424
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 2: on a Sunday nights to school night, I was actually

1425
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 2: home by six thirty.

1426
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 1: There you go, tea in bed, but like what it

1427
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: was ideal? It was like dance floor from like one

1428
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: pm to like five thirty pm. Yeah, and then just

1429
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: rolled on home and had an early I was like,

1430
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: why don't why don't all clubs start at one thirty pm?

1431
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 2: I like day drinking because you can go to bed

1432
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: and you wake up normal the next day. And hydration

1433
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: is key when you get home.

1434
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 3: Hydration is for the skin, and hydration is sexy because

1435
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 3: it makes your skin. My prustration is sexy. Paramedic Steve says,

1436
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 3: hydration is sexy.

1437
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: H two, I will get you.

1438
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 3: Very last question. Yes, what's your favorite quote?

1439
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: Oh god, I would have to say a doctor Suit's quote.

1440
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: I loved because this is like pivotal would be in

1441
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:01,479
Speaker 2: every facet of my life. It's the one where he said,

1442
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: be who you are because those who mind don't matter,

1443
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: and those who matter don't mind. So you know how

1444
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: that's my favorite one.

1445
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: You know I was talking to you, We were okay.

1446
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: I can't believe I didn't ask you about this. Steve

1447
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: was on Tumblr. He was like a blogger before blogging

1448
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: was a word that normal people had in their vernacula.

1449
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: On Tumblr, which was the original. For anyone who's like

1450
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: born in the two thousands, uh, who doesn't know what

1451
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,919
Speaker 1: tumblo is, it was like social media before social media.

1452
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: My tumbler bio was that quote are you are you?

1453
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 2: Literally that quote this is why we're soulmatees after knowing

1454
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 2: each other for two weeks.

1455
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, two weeks of heaven now. Yeah, that was my Tumblr.

1456
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: Quote get out because that's like my favorite quote because

1457
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: it relates to me not knowing who I was and

1458
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: being afraid to say things and about my sexuality in

1459
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: coming out, and then when I did come out, it's seriously,

1460
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 2: give me the biggest backbone. Being Kay's a young kid

1461
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 2: gives you a backbone into society and you literally just

1462
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: do not give a shit about what other people think

1463
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: of you. And that's where I'm at in life now,

1464
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 2: and you live such a carefree life being unapologetically yourself,

1465
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: And that quote is what got me.

1466
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: There, such a good one. I can't believe that's your quote.

1467
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: That just makes me get like goosebumps about it.

1468
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1469
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,479
Speaker 3: And also, yeah, just quickly before we do finish, because

1470
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 3: the blogging thing I forgot to mention, so lol tell us.

1471
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I was a bit of an emotional blogger,

1472
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 2: so whenever something was like going on in my life,

1473
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 2: I would have a little bit of a blog. And

1474
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: then I got a bit of traction.

1475
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 3: I know, it is followers, like, that's a big deal.

1476
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 2: Followers on time what I know, get out.

1477
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 3: Back then, there weren't like people didn't have follow its.

1478
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: I know. Yeah. It was so funny because I used

1479
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 2: to use this daily booth thing. It was literally like Instagram,

1480
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 2: but on like a website rol So you used to

1481
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 2: upload a picture and used to put your like a

1482
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: little description about what had happened on your day, and

1483
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: then everyone on there is like, oh, I do use Tumblr.

1484
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 2: So then I started using tumble and blogging on there,

1485
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 2: and then that's where I started getting traction. So but yeah,

1486
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: my Tumbler is now deleted because someone needs to see that.

1487
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: I really wish that we could go back and have

1488
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 3: a little reminisce.

1489
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: Oh god, I'm so glad we cannot go back.

1490
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 3: In the past.

1491
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's one of them, babe, Oh my gosh, Well,

1492
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: thank you so much. This was absolutely delightful. I feel

1493
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: like we could keep talking for hours.

1494
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 2: We could, but we.

1495
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: Should probably cut ourselves off. Yeah, this was amazing. Thank

1496
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: you so much for sharing and too many more years

1497
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: of being soul mate.

1498
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: Yes, cheers to that, babe. Thank you so much for

1499
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 2: having me. You are actually the best and it's been

1500
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 2: such an honor to be on this thing. So thank

1501
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:37,559
Speaker 2: you so much. Seize the yo, babe.

1502
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah yea.

1503
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: I hope you can tell why I adore this human

1504
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: and his mum and his sister. We've gone zero to

1505
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: hero real quick. If you enjoy the EPP, you know

1506
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: what to do. Take a screenshot, get sharing and tag

1507
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: at Steve Geller so we can shower in with love

1508
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: for giving his time to the neighborhood. Gosh, there are

1509
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: so many neighborhood heroes who spend their days in service

1510
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: of others, keeping a cool head in tough times. Well,

1511
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: I get into flub about sending an email. Well to

1512
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: find out more, tune into Channel nine Paramedics or shoot

1513
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: Steve at DM. Meanwhile, I'm in South Australia for two

1514
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: weeks exploring new neighborhoods and stories. So a hello, lovely

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01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: essay audience and b our Episodes are a bit more

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01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: spread out while I'm away, but we'll be back to

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01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: our regular programming with some very exciting new miniseries action

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01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: coming soon. I hope you're all having an amazing week,

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01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: keeping safe and well and are seizing your ya