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Speaker 2: You're in a Runner podcast series is brought to you

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Speaker 3: I think it's all about variety. Like we're saying, as

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Speaker 3: an eight hundred meter runner, they rarely run eight hundred meters.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I run eight hundred meters ever. In training,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sees the Yay Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 2: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 2: the facets of seizing your yay. I'm Sarah Davidson or

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Speaker 2: a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned fu entrepreneur who's

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Speaker 2: finding a life you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge,

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Speaker 2: joy and fulfillment along the way. Welcome everyone to the

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Speaker 2: very first episode of our Power Your Inner Runner podcast series.

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Speaker 2: I'm so thrilled to be partnering with Nike Running and

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Speaker 2: Rebel to bring you three elite Nike athletes who will

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Speaker 2: help us build our running toolkit. Whether this be your

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Speaker 2: listening since the early days, you'll have witnessed the transformative

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Speaker 2: power of sport in my life with the remarkable conversion

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Speaker 2: year and actually looking forward to it. Six transformative months

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Speaker 2: back in twenty nineteen with the incredible team at Nike

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Speaker 2: taught me all about gradually building your distance, warming up

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Speaker 2: and warming down, fueling yourself properly, and crucially wearing.

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Speaker 2: I've been revisiting all of those lessons again, turning back

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Speaker 2: to longer runs as a physical, mental, and therapy like outlet.

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Speaker 2: During lockdown, which spurred me on to sign up for

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Speaker 2: another twenty one point one case at Melbourne Marathon this year.

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Speaker 2: Pushed back to December, we suddenly had some extra time

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Speaker 2: be able to share them with you. Thanks to the

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Speaker 2: support and generosity of Rebel and Nike, I was surprised

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Speaker 2: but thrilled to see how many of you in the

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Speaker 2: neighborhood are also on your very own running journey, and

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Speaker 2: thank you all so much to those who submitted questions

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Speaker 2: for our guests. The next three episodes have been split

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Speaker 2: into different themes, focusing on the topics that you want

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Speaker 2: to hear about most so as to our very first guest,

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Speaker 2: I'm delighted to have with us, the incredible Katrin a Bissitt, Olympian,

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Speaker 2: strong foundations with mindfulness and mindset. If I've learnt anything

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Speaker 2: between success and the self. What a cracking first episode

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Speaker 1: Katrina, Welcome to the show. I'm so thrilled to have

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Speaker 2: It is so wonderful, especially after having watched you at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, that's so cool. I love how

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's what I was saying before about

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Speaker 3: awkward with eye contact, and like it's really nice sometimes

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Speaker 2: because I actually came across a study recently in the

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Speaker 2: either if you're struggling or someone else. Is that the

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Speaker 2: reason why the you know, therapy conversation in the car

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Speaker 3: you know, I've become really good at asking for help.

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00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: I'm very open with you know, what I've been through,

438
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: and it's made me really good at you know, creating

439
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: a strong support team, like with my physio, with my coach,

440
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 3: with my psychologists, all that sort of thing. And I

441
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 3: think it's a huge advantage that I have over some

442
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: of my competitors as well. Like you're saying, like the

443
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: more conventional entry into elite sport is you're good as

444
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: a kid, You're good as a teenager, as good as

445
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: an adult, Like there was that sort of smooth ride,

446
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 3: but having it been so up and down and having to, yeah,

447
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 3: learn to deal with these parts of myself or learn

448
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 3: to sort of work with them. Yeah, I know myself

449
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: really well. I have this grounding career in another field.

450
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 3: Like I think all of these things has helped me

451
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: be successful. And Yeah, and I love the idea of

452
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: like reframing these sort of over coming mental challenges. It's

453
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 3: not good or bad, it's just sort of what I

454
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: went through, if that makes sense, Like it's really, Yeah,

455
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: I'm not ashamed of it, I'm proud of it, That's

456
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: what I mean to say. Yeah, I think.

457
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: That comes across really clearly as well.

458
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: Like I've read so many of your articles and interviews

459
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: on this whole process, and so much of it has

460
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 2: been around. It's not sort of a fairy tale or

461
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: a reality TV show where it was like yay and

462
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: then oh dark period and then oh look in spite

463
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 2: of that, I've recovered. It's just the ups and downs

464
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: of a normal life, like that's how life.

465
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: Usually goes, right.

466
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also that the big takeaway that I think

467
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: I resonated the most with is that you've been able

468
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 2: through this entire process to separate winning and things going

469
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: exactly as you planned from your self worth, Whereas I

470
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: think a lot of us, particularly before the pandemic, have

471
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: been so tied up in like the view of our

472
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 2: life that we expect, and then when it doesn't go

473
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 2: that way, our self worth is so impacted because we've

474
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: never conceived of another version of ourselves. But you've been

475
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: able to craft so many versions of yourself and have

476
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: a really grounded sense of who you are regardless of

477
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: whether you win the Olympics or not. You know, I

478
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: think that's really beautiful that you're able to do that. Yeah, Oh,

479
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: thank you, Well, what an incredible story. And I mean

480
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: you're back training again for the next World Championships. Are

481
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: you planning on going to Paris?

482
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: Definitely, yes, I think. I mean, I was pretty disappointed

483
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 3: with my run at Tokyo and it's been something that

484
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: i'm still processing. I think. Yeah, I went into the

485
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 3: Games with pretty high expectations and I think they were

486
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: not unfounded that I was running very well, and yeah,

487
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: not making it past the first round was really really

488
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 3: hard for me. And yeah, like you were saying, just yeah,

489
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: it did make me question myself worse and you know,

490
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: whether I deserve to be here and that sort of thing.

491
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: But I think it's something that you Yeah, it's something

492
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 3: that i'm processing in that I think it's an experience

493
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: that'll make me a better athlete. And yeah, I think

494
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: I have some unfinished business with the Olympics, and I'm

495
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: definitely excited about Paris, and I'm excited about doing a game.

496
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: So it's not during a pandemic. That'd be really nice.

497
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, I can imagine it would have

498
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: been such a bizarre and strange experience. But I did

499
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: hear that all the Australian athletes were the only nation

500
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: who were like all the teammates came to cheer on

501
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: the track.

502
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was fantastic. Yeah, we had a big

503
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 3: group come out. I yeah, I remember one of my

504
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 3: probably my fondest memory of the Games was watching Peter

505
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: bowl around the eight hundred meters eight hundred meter final

506
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: and I was the one just crying like I couldn't

507
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: gone right, and I think people around me were starting

508
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 3: to get a little bit like concerned whether I was.

509
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: I just thought it was just such a beautiful and

510
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 3: especially seeing his family as well back in Perth. And yeah,

511
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 3: it was a really really supportive environment. All the Australians

512
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 3: were great, and we had our like everyone was jealous

513
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 3: of our little coffee cart that we had because we

514
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 3: like of course had to hire like our own baristas too.

515
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: Obviously that is so Australian Australian. It was also really cool,

516
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: like because I was in Europe before the Games and

517
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: I was sort of traveling. I was traveling essentially on

518
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: my own because of all the travel restrictions for support

519
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: team and that sort of thing. And then to arrive

520
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: in Tokyo and then be surrounded by all these familiar

521
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: faces and the Australian accent, and you know, we had

522
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: a snack bar with like wheat picks and you know,

523
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: like my and all these like Australian foods. It was

524
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: like a little yeah, it really felt like I was

525
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: back in Australia for a couple of weeks and get

526
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: that hit before I head back over to Europe to

527
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 3: keep racing.

528
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, I'm sure that that. I really

529
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 2: believe that everything happens for a reason. And also, like

530
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: I've spoken to so many Olympians now and the overall messages,

531
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 2: it's no reflection on your self worth, it's just who

532
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: who performs the best on the day. Like the Olympics

533
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 2: is such a time a temporal, one time thing, like

534
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 2: the guy that I've mentioned it so many times now,

535
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: but like the guy who won the speed racing because

536
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: seven people fell over.

537
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

538
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: But I think that even if it's not clear now,

539
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 2: like that feeling that you have will fuel the fire

540
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: for the next time in a way that in Paris.

541
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: I hope for you that you'll get there and be

542
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: like this is why that had to happen. I'm so

543
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: excited to follow your journey from now until then. But

544
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: I also think you have so much practical knowledge to

545
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: share with us, particularly around when you have been away

546
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: from running for a really long time, either for people

547
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: who have been the same or who have never been

548
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: in running.

549
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: Like myself at the beginning.

550
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: That very first, like how do I build back up

551
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: to distance? How do I even get a kilometer under

552
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: my belt? I think it's so overwhelming when your body

553
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: is just not conditioned for the activity that your mindset around,

554
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: like the fear of what if I can't do it?

555
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: Or it actually hurts a little bit the first time,

556
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: you know, because you've got to get your body back

557
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: into it, Like how do you get your mindset right

558
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: when you first came back to running, did you have

559
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: any kind.

560
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: Of fear around it?

561
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: And what advice do you have for anyone who's in that, Like,

562
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: got no muscle memory right now?

563
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: Just getting back into training.

564
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it feels like a while ago now

565
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: sort of getting back into but it wasn't long ago.

566
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 3: It was only yeah, maybe five years ago, sort of

567
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: making that commitment again to return to the sport, and

568
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: it was tough. Like I remember, I was training sort

569
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: of on and off a little bit with a group

570
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: around that time at the University of Sydney, and I

571
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: was known as the really flaky athlete that would show

572
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: up like half an hour later. Training I would miss,

573
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 3: you know, weeks at a time, and then I'd rock

574
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: up again and be like I'm back, and I just

575
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 3: was obviously, and I think I was very frustrating for

576
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: my coach because he was like, I think you're kind

577
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: of talented, but you're extremely unreliable and obviously not committed

578
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: to this. And it was really interesting sort of overcoming

579
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: that sort of reputation as well that I had of

580
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: being a bit flaky and yeah, and I remember other

581
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 3: athletes in the group. They were very skeptical when I

582
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: had decided to come back more seriously, and so that

583
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: was pretty fun, you know, when I did have my breakup.

584
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: But anyway, that was besides the point. So what I did,

585
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 3: I just sort of sat down with my coach at

586
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: that time and made that commitment to him and to

587
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: myself that I was going to take it more seriously.

588
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: And some reason, I had it in my head that

589
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: three weeks of commitment to going to every training session

590
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: and yeah and doing all the all of the runs

591
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: that I had planned, like that was how I was

592
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: going to build a habit. Because I was just, yeah,

593
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: extremely all over the place, like I didn't have yeah,

594
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: it had no routine, and so I committed for three weeks.

595
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: Every day I would do what was on my program,

596
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 3: I'd have my rest day, I would go to training.

597
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: At that point, we were training at six a m.

598
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: At Centennial Park and I would go there before before

599
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: work and yeah, and so I made that commitment to

600
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 3: myself for that three weeks and yeah, and then I

601
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 3: just realized when I sort of switch my brain off

602
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 3: to that chatter of you know when you're waking up

603
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, it's a bit cold, I don't

604
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: really want to I don't really want to go today,

605
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 3: like maybe I'll run in the afternoon instead, or but

606
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I already I promised to myself I

607
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 3: was going to do three weeks with this, and you

608
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 3: just like not, you know, get out of bed, you

609
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: just you just physically move your body to the bike

610
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: and then get to the get to the track kind

611
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 3: of thing. And it's kind of interesting reflecting on that

612
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: because now as a as a runner and this is

613
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: my livelihood, I don't really have that, like have that

614
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 3: as much like I am utterly obsessed with it, and

615
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: I you know want like I like freak out if

616
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: I have a day off kind of thing. But I mean,

617
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: I'll still have those mornings where I'm in bed and

618
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 3: it's freezing, especially in Melbourne, and I have like a

619
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: you know, seventy minute run planned and and I just

620
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: don't want to do it. But yeah, like I was

621
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 3: saying before, having set up with some really great training

622
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 3: partners and some good friends of mine, having set up

623
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: that that run with them, and I'm knowing that I'll

624
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: be running with some of my really close friends, Like

625
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: you know, you get up and you go because you've

626
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: made that a commitment and you've got to be accountable

627
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: to it. So that's sort of how I did it.

628
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd recommend everyone doing so being

629
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: so hard in themselves in that way, but I think

630
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 3: it's taking it slow, making those like small shorter term

631
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: goals of like three weeks. You know. It's like, you know,

632
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: sign up for a half marathon in you know, two

633
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: months time, and just take those little short term goals.

634
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: You know, you achieve that three week mark and then

635
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: you might increase the training a little bit for another

636
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: three weeks. And I yes, you know, not being afraid

637
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: to say no and have a bit of a break

638
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: and know that you can come back to it when

639
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: you're ready and it doesn't have to be perfect. And

640
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: I mean, and like you were saying around the just

641
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: the physical side of things when you're starting running can

642
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 3: be really really challenging. Like two weeks ago coming out

643
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: of hotel quarantine, Like I spent two weeks completely sad

644
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: and tree lying in bed watching like sex Education on Netflix.

645
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: And then my first run back literally flew into Melbourne,

646
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 3: went for a half hour run, was like this is great,

647
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: like no problems. A couple hours later, just my foot

648
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 3: hurts so much. Yeah, I was like, what is this, Like,

649
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: I'm a like I literally just got back through the

650
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 3: Olympics and I go for a half hour run. My

651
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: foot blows up. It's just like swollen and painful, and

652
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 3: so basically just my tendons weren't ready to be back

653
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: running again after two weeks of nothing, so I sort

654
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: of take my foot off the gas a little bit

655
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: and slowly increase the training. And now it's been about

656
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: three weeks and my foot's completely back to normal, And

657
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: it was just, yeah, it's just like no matter what level,

658
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: you gotta take its long. You gotta do Like the

659
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: day on day off or one of the biggest like

660
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: sort of things that we do when we're sort of

661
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: transitioning back is you know, you do a run where

662
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: it's like a you know, three minute jog, two minute walk,

663
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: or like a one minute jog one minute walk kind

664
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: of thing, and you just sort of, you know, do

665
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: that for twenty minutes and then you can gradually gradually

666
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: increase it and you're just kind of seeing how your

667
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: body is responding, and it gives you a little bit

668
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 3: of time to see how things are going. And yeah,

669
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: the amount of times that, yeah, people make that mistake

670
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: of just going all in immediately and then they hurt themselves,

671
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: they get so sore, So yeah, be a little bit

672
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: smart about it.

673
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 2: I think I actually think that's that's why I didn't

674
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: like running for so long, is because I would go

675
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: from nil as like a corporate I used to be

676
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 2: a lawyer, and then I'd sign up for some corporate

677
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: fun run and then I'd just do like five k's

678
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: from zero in the wrong shoes and then be like,

679
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: why can I not move any parts of my body?

680
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: Why is this is the most painful thing ever? But

681
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: it's because I never gave my body the chance to adapt.

682
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: And I love that you mentioned the word habit forming,

683
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: because I think getting into running is habit forming. It's

684
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: the same as any new habit, and the pain that

685
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: manifests physical pain in terms of your body just adapting,

686
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: is the same as the emotional discomfort of other kinds

687
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: of habits in your life. When you're trying to change

688
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: your behavior, like you're always in any kind of area

689
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: of change, you always face a little bit of discomfort.

690
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: But that's part of.

691
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: Like growing into it, and so like just being okay

692
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: that it might hurt a little because your body's adjusting.

693
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: It's not meant to be like deathly painful, So don't

694
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 2: go into it too hard, too fast. But I did

695
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: a half marathon with Nike two years ago, and for

696
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: the first time ever, I literally went from zero, but

697
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: for the first time ever with a the right shoes.

698
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: Most have been enormous difference, but b taking six months

699
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: to build up to it, like I actually got there,

700
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: and I couldn't believe that. But then I took a

701
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: year off and then we're come back for this one.

702
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: And when I came back to running, I was like,

703
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: you can't just go back to the paces and distances

704
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: straight away that you used to be. I started back

705
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: from three k's, and like, the best runs I've done

706
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: has been not looking at my times, not looking at

707
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: my pace, just doing what my body can do on

708
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: that day. And I found that's much more valuable than

709
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: trying to like go out and run a certain pace

710
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: or do a certain distance, like rigidly sticking to the routine.

711
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember once one of my friends described it

712
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: as like letting the fitness come to you rather than

713
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: sort of chasing after it or forcing it. Yeah, And

714
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: it's that sort of patient thing of just committing to

715
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: that program. And it might feel weird at first, so

716
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: like you kind of restless, but it's like, yeah, you

717
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: got to go slow.

718
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: What about like one of the biggest questions. We've had

719
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: a lot of audience questions, And I was going to

720
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: like give people shout outs to the questions, but they've

721
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: all been literally the same. The biggest one has been

722
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: getting from one stage, like one particular distance, whatever that

723
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: may be that feels good and that you've kind of mastered.

724
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: But it can be easy to plateau there and to

725
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: not know how to kind of start increasing your distance

726
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,479
Speaker 2: or increasing your time and even though you know your

727
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: main event is eight hundred, I know you do a

728
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: Sunday long run, and you do go out for longer runs.

729
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 2: How do you increase that pace or increase that time?

730
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: You know you mentioned they're like stop, start running and

731
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: walking and then slowly filling like the walking gap getting

732
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: shorter and shorter. That's really helped me. What else can

733
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: people try to sort of start pushing through new distances

734
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: and time barriers.

735
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: I think it's all about variety the same Like as

736
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 3: an eight hundred meter runner, I rarely run eight hundred meters.

737
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think I run eight hundred

738
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: meters ever in training really, yeah, it's always combinations of

739
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: shorter reps or longer reps and yeah, and often we'll

740
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: do like time trials and that sort of thing of

741
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: maybe a six hundred meters or a one k, because

742
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 3: you can't just get really bored and you can get

743
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 3: really stuck if you're just attempting the same thing over

744
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 3: and over again. So we always keep it fresh and

745
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: change things up. And like I do a lot of

746
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: gym work as well, and a lot of cross training.

747
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 3: I do a lot of cycling, and yeah, I'm in

748
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: the gym twice a week, and I do sprint trainings

749
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: on a Monday as well, so doing a lot of jills,

750
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: drills and pliometrics and speed work, and yeah, I found

751
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: just you sort of have to build your skills in

752
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: all these different areas and it just makes running more

753
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: fun as well. So I think I don't know if

754
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 3: that perfectly answers the question get it next day. I

755
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 3: think it really does come down to having that having

756
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: that variety and keeping it fun and indifferent and interesting,

757
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 3: and then sort of doing that for a little while

758
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: and then returning to your main event and and so

759
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: like if you're doing for me for like eight hundreds,

760
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: like I'll only run an eight hundred in my race,

761
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: whereas all my other training will be quite varied. And

762
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: then so you sort of do that very training and

763
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 3: then you test yourself on the track again. So that

764
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: could be something people can try. So like if you're

765
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: doing a five k, maybe try do some hill runs,

766
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: like find a great hill, meet your house or something

767
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 3: and do eight hill runs with a walk back and

768
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: add that in once a week and that'll get that'll

769
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: get your fitter, get your faster, or do really a

770
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: much longer run as a challenge, like go to some

771
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: really interesting trail somewhere, like there's some beautiful you know,

772
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: like the data ons like some really all the yu

773
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: Yang's like there's some really beautiful places around Australia and

774
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 3: just like mix up the terrain. Maybe go for like

775
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: a ninety minute I don't know, ninety minutes a long time,

776
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: go for a longish sort of walk jog kind of

777
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 3: thing and sort of push that endurance side of things

778
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: and then come back to your pet event and.

779
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 2: Have it go.

780
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

781
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the variety is something I didn't understand

782
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: in the beginning. Like I would get to it was

783
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 2: such an enormous thing for me to get to ten k's,

784
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: like coming from just absolutely despising running to really enjoying

785
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: ten but I hit this wall of like I was

786
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: getting I got it down to like five minute thirty k's,

787
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: which for me was like oh my god. And then

788
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: but then I would just keep doing the same thing,

789
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: and my husband was like, you're just doing the exact

790
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: same run. You're not going to get further or faster

791
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 2: by just like you're comfortable there, but unless you kind

792
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: of push it in some direction. Or vary it with, yeah,

793
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: like either a different texture of the ground or like

794
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: doing shorter speedwork runs to get used to a new pace.

795
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: And it took me ages to understand that repeating the

796
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: same thing was not going to actually just automatically, Like

797
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: you don't just automatically run a kilometer further every time

798
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: you go out. And mixing it up and even doing

799
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: like three k much faster runs has then made my

800
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: next ten k better, which is so weird. It seems

801
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: really counterintuitive, but it's been amazing to sort of mix it.

802
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 3: Up, that's right. Yeah, And I like what you're saying

803
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 3: as well around like fixating on time and like we

804
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: can get so bogged down with you know, our Strava

805
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 3: records and stuff like that, and yeah, just sort of

806
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: switching the like when you're mixing up the different distances

807
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: and the different types of training, like the watch becomes

808
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: irrelevant and you're doing it more to feel and you

809
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: can really test yourself because I feel like sometimes like

810
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: we put those sort of limits on ourselves, like if

811
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, five minute thirty is pushing it, I

812
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: can't go any faster than that because you know that's

813
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: my limit. But if you it's just yeah, and sort

814
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: of just like readjusting and playing around with those different

815
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: there's different time barriers, or removing the time barriers altogether.

816
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 3: You're sort of like freeing yourself a lot.

817
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's I think comes back to the theme

818
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: of mindfulness, that you're not necessarily mindfully running and being

819
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 2: in touch with how your body actually feels if you're

820
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 2: constantly like looking at your pace and changing it up

821
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: based on a unrealistic expectation. Not unrealistic, but just a

822
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: rigid expectation. Because I found like different times of day,

823
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: I find like faster paces easier than I would on

824
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 2: a different day. It's just you've got to really pay

825
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: attention to your body. And I've also found that I

826
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: think you have to do so much physical conditioning obviously,

827
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: particularly when you start to get up to half marathons

828
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: and marathon distances, but I think my brain gives up

829
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: way before my body would give up. Who's why mindset

830
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: is so important. So when you're on your like Sunday

831
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: long run, for example, being a shorter distance runner and

832
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: maybe not loving the long distances as much, what do

833
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: you do to kind of like when you hit a

834
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: distance that starts to feel really hard or really boring,

835
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: or just really I don't want to be here anymore,

836
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: but I've got a while to go. What goes through

837
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: your head? Like, how do you get your mindset right?

838
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: Do you distract it with music? Do you like, how

839
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: do you kind of get through those just plateaus in

840
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: the run where you're like, ugh, that's the technical term

841
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: for the emotion also.

842
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, And yeah, I mean I love that you're

843
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: asking this as well, because like professional alleys, like, we

844
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 3: have the exact same mental blocks as anyone else. And

845
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: I think I've done a lot of work with a

846
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: sports psychologist around this sort of thing and around mindset,

847
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: and I think one of the big things that we've

848
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: worked on is sort of purpose and tension and you know,

849
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 3: setting that intention before a run of like, you know,

850
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: this is the pace that I want to hit and

851
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 3: this is going to be a personal challenge to myself

852
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 3: and it's going to be really hard, and sort of

853
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 3: sticking to that commitment that you made at the start

854
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: of the run it makes it a lot easier to

855
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 3: push through the pain. I think, like I think the

856
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: runs where I've said to myself, oh, you know, we'll

857
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: see how it goes. I'm not sure how I want to,

858
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure what I want out of this,

859
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: or I don't really know, or like especially races that

860
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: I've done where I've just you know, have been a

861
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: bit you know. Well, we'll see how I'll go. Like

862
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: I haven't committed or set an intention before the race.

863
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: They're always my worst races, like they because I get distracted.

864
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: I get distracted by other athletes. I get distracted by

865
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: my own feelings. So having that intention and sort of

866
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: attaching that intention to a long term goal as well.

867
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 3: If it's like I want to run a half marathon

868
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: and if I want to get to that twenty one

869
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 3: k is I've got to be able to get to

870
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: this fifteen k you know, long run, and I'm going

871
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: to commit to that because this is part of my

872
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 3: journey to what I want. A lot of it is

873
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: habit as well, Like you know, it's not glamorous. It's

874
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 3: like you got to practice being in pain. You have

875
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: to practice being uncomfortable. I think that's why we train.

876
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 3: It's like getting used to that discomfort and being familiar

877
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: with it and recognizing it and not being afraid of

878
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 3: it because I think a lot of the time it's

879
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: not the physical pain itself, it's that sort of fear

880
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 3: of like, oh, no, am I going to be able

881
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: to keep this? Like what does this mean? Like should

882
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 3: does this mean I need to pull back? Like a

883
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: lot of it's just learning to sit with a bit

884
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 3: of discomfort and just accepting it and just being okay

885
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: with sitting in it for a while. And I can't

886
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 3: really think that's about it. No.

887
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: I think that's so such such good advice.

888
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: And I've also that, particularly when you're a brand new

889
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 2: big to anyone listening, often, like I mentioned, like your

890
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: head will give up before your body does because you're

891
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: overthinking it too much. And the Nike Running app is

892
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: so good for that because there are guided apps, which

893
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: I don't need anymore, but I find like you only

894
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: need something as long as you need it, and then

895
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: you progress to the next stage. But there are literal

896
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: runs called the I don't want to run run, where

897
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: someone will be in your ear reminding you that when

898
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 2: you have that, they're like a buddy. If you don't

899
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: have a running buddy, it's someone who will literally say

900
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 2: in your ear, you're going to probably start to feel

901
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: a little bit sore around. Now, that's really normal. You're

902
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: going to want to talk yourself out of it, and

903
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: there's someone in your ear going, but you shouldn't because

904
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: that's normal. And then you keep going and you're doing great,

905
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 2: and like to have someone guide you through that, like

906
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: training wheels until you don't need it anymore, and then

907
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: you move on to music, and then you move on

908
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: to like whatever it is now running with friends, because

909
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: you can talk once you get more experienced in running.

910
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: I think it's in each chapter you might need different

911
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: things to get your head through it rather than your body.

912
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: And then of course also the physical pain, Like I

913
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: was experiencing a lot of physical pain by choosing the

914
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: wrong shoes and having the wrong gear, So that's something

915
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 2: that's also helped enormously. Like there is a difference between

916
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: like when you walk into Nike or Rebel. There's a

917
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: reason why there's so many different kinds of shoes because

918
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: they're all for different things. And like you can't wear

919
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 2: a streech fashion shoe for a twenty one kilometer run.

920
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: Who knew?

921
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 3: That's it? That's it? That's good.

922
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about your warm ups and warm downs? Again?

923
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: I think that's something we're all very impatient. When you

924
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: want to get out in a run, you just want

925
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: to go before you can talk yourself out of it.

926
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: And then when you finish, your like two kids off

927
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 2: congratulatory to like bother with your warm down.

928
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: But that makes a huge difference. How do you warm

929
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: up and warm down?

930
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a very you know set warm up

931
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: warm down routine, and it is definitely one of those

932
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: things if we're talking about mindset, it is really really

933
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: helpful of getting me in the right headspace for a race.

934
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 3: Like for my pre race warm up, I'll do a

935
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 3: like a twelve minute jog. Put in my music. I

936
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: have my like playlist, Like my current obsession is like

937
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: mo Farah. He like created a playlist for yeah yeah,

938
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: and it's like dirty UK rap. Like it's really I'm like,

939
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 3: I'm so glad I'm wearing headphones. If anyone listened to

940
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: I think I'm so lame. So I'll listen to that

941
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: and do my jog and then I'll have the drills

942
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 3: that I go through and then I'll do a few

943
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: faster runs just to get my legs turning over and

944
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: just to start getting familiar with the pace. That I'm

945
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 3: going to be running, and it's just amazing, Like the nerves.

946
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes the nerves before a race, I'll be just so uncomfortable,

947
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: like the four hours or whatever it is before the race,

948
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: and just going through that warm up routine, having that

949
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 3: like like were saying about that habit, that sort of stability,

950
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: this this thing where you can just turn that chatter

951
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: off and just go through this planned you know, sequence

952
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 3: of events, like and then getting that physical relaxation. You know,

953
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: you start to release some of that nervous energy into

954
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: that warm up and so it's not just like that

955
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: physical body warming up, it's like you know, your mind

956
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: getting getting a little bit of that nervous energy out

957
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: of the way so you can have a bit more

958
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: focus and clarity. And yeah, the warm up is so

959
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: important just for all those different reasons and having that

960
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: routine for for the race. Yeah, and then and then

961
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: a warm down, like it's just like a really nice

962
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: moment to reflect on what you what you've done. And

963
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those things that we definitely do.

964
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: It was the first thing to go before tied and

965
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: like I just want to go home, but it is

966
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 3: really really important for like injury prevention. And I distinctly

967
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 3: remember this time where I hadn't warmed down properly after

968
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 3: a race. I think I was in high school, and

969
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 3: I just got straight in the car and we're driving home,

970
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: and I just had to say to my dad and

971
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 3: like pull over, pull over, and I just opened the

972
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: car door and I just vomit all over then on

973
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 3: the side of the road because I hadn't warmed down properly.

974
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: I had all this lactic acid in my body, and

975
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: I just that moment just scarred me of like, you've

976
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 3: really got a warm down, You're really just gonna give

977
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: your body a bit of time to just transition into

978
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: being sedentary again. And I mean, I often I'm notorious

979
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: for the slow warm down. I'll always like I feel

980
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: like the faster I get on the track, the slower

981
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 3: I get in my sort of warm downs. And so

982
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 3: I'll do a couple of laps where I might walk

983
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: with my coach or walk with my training partner and

984
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 3: we'll just have a chat about whatever, and then I'll

985
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: sort of build up the pace a little bit and

986
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 3: then I'll just jog in other ten minutes and yeah,

987
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: and then grab my staff and go home, and it's

988
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: just part of that wind down that's so important.

989
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: It's and I think also with a shorter distance, because

990
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: your lactic acid is like you're you're sprinting, so you

991
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: actually could vomit at the end. Like if he doesn't vomit,

992
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 2: he's like I didn't do well enough to that. I

993
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 2: don't even understand that mentality. But I think your distance

994
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: is such an acute example of why it is important,

995
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: Like your body literally freaks out if you don't wind down.

996
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: And well, the first time I heard about a wind down,

997
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you What do you mean

998
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: like warm warming down?

999
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: Like I don't even understand what that means that.

1000
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 3: We call it a warm down as well, like should

1001
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 3: be a cool down. I guess it is a warm

1002
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: down as well because you're moving anyway, Like everyone has

1003
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 3: a different name for it.

1004
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: But when I first heard of it, I was like why,

1005
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: Like I get that you need to warm your muscles up,

1006
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: but at the end they're already warm, so like, what

1007
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 2: do you what's the I don't get it. But the

1008
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: first time I ever did even what, like I think

1009
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: it was four k, which you know isn't that far.

1010
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: I mean it was for me, but it, you know,

1011
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: wasn't enormous or anything, and I didn't warm down. Like

1012
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: the recovery is so different and like even just as

1013
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: small as not jumping in the car straight away and

1014
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: just walking like one hundred meters slowly or something to

1015
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 2: not go straight from like mass exertion to zero.

1016
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: I can't actually believe how.

1017
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: Important it is, but how much it's not really a

1018
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: thing when you're not a professional, like do you guys?

1019
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: Of course you would warm down after every race, but

1020
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: I think the average lay person going for a jog

1021
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: around the town or something is not going to think,

1022
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: oh I should probably warm down all the way. You know,

1023
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: they're not going to do another lap to warm down,

1024
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: but I think if they did, recovery would be so

1025
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: much faster.

1026
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're just talking about active recovery, right, it's

1027
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, moving your body like it's not Recovery

1028
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 3: isn't just about sitting down or lying down and doing nothing.

1029
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: It's just like letting your muscles. Yeah, I'm not I'm

1030
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: an architect. I don't have a medical degree. I don't

1031
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 3: know how to describe what the what physiological changes are

1032
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 3: happening during the warm goown. I think you should talk

1033
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 3: to one of the other night Yeah athletes about that.

1034
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: But from anecdotally, I mean, even strength training and that

1035
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 3: sort of stuff is part of that recovery and that,

1036
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: you know, because the recovery is just all about that adaptation,

1037
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: letting your muscles grow and recover and then get stronger

1038
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: for the next and X ray Phoenix run.

1039
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: And that's a really good point as well.

1040
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: Someone else asked the question, how do you increase your

1041
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 2: speed and distance without getting injured? And it's interesting that

1042
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: you do strength work in the gym twice a week

1043
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: because I think again people assume that the more you run,

1044
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 2: the more strong you'll get for running, which, of course,

1045
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: to an extent, happens, but if you're not also building

1046
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 2: muscle mass around your joints and like even yoga, I

1047
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: think is across training gives you like endurance strength and

1048
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 2: all those little stabilizer muscles around and your like ankles

1049
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: and stuff. You know, there are other ways to build

1050
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: strength and avoid injury that aren't just run, Like keep

1051
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: doing more running.

1052
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, And I think, like I keep

1053
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 3: stressing this, but it's like run with other people, run

1054
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: with new people, run with different groups, get a syche,

1055
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: get someone on a bike with you, just like like

1056
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: there's a reason that professional athletes don't like we run

1057
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: in groups. You know, it's because we're you know, there's

1058
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 3: that a little bit of competitiveness as well, Like if

1059
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 3: you're meeting up with you know, one of your friends

1060
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 3: and you know you want to beat them, Like it's healthy,

1061
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: it's very and it's fun. Like just adding in that

1062
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 3: little bit of fun competition and and that sort of

1063
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: stuff can really really yeah, increase the quality of your

1064
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: training and mix it up and yeah, there's there's all

1065
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: these different different ways to, yeah, make it more exciting

1066
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 3: and and then that you'll have direct yeah, performance benefits

1067
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 3: from that coming out of that amazing.

1068
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: Well, I've learned so much from you. I feel like

1069
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: my running is going to improve so much after this

1070
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: very last question for you before we finish out, What

1071
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: is your favorite quote?

1072
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: This is a really hard question. I have a lot

1073
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: of really favorite a lot of favorite quotes. I so

1074
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: the one that I chose this one I have so

1075
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: I listened to that. My favorite podcast is called The

1076
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: Anthropoisy Reviewed and it's by John Green. So John Green,

1077
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 3: you know he's that ya author with like fault male

1078
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 3: stars and that sort of thing. But I'm obsessed with him.

1079
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 3: He was his biggest fan. But he has a podcast

1080
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: and yeah, he in this one, he talks about the

1081
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 3: illustrator Maurice Sendak's he wrote Where the Wild Things Are,

1082
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 3: but the picture book author. Yeah, and so he was

1083
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: talking about this. This author is his final interview before

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Speaker 3: at the end of his life. This was the last

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00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 3: interview we ever gave before before he died. And yeah,

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00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 3: and he was talking on this radio show and he said,

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Speaker 3: I cry a lot because I miss people. I cry

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00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: a lot because they die and I can't stop them.

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00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 3: They leave me and I love them more. And then

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Speaker 3: he says, I'm finding out as i'm aging that I'm

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00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: in love with the world, and I just, yeah, I

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00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: get a little bit teary thinking about this quote. But

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00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 3: I love, you know, sort of thinking back on my

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00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: career as an athlete and how I'm not afraid of

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00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: getting older. I love aging because I feel like I'm,

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00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 3: you know, coming into all these new versions of myself

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00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 3: and I'm excited to see what comes next. And like

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00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, things were really hard for me when

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00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: I was sort of Yeah, late teens and early twenties,

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Speaker 3: and and I'm finding as I'm getting older, Yeah, I'm

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00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: finding that I'm falling more and more in love with

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00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: the world. And I think it's it's not and I

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00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: feel for me, like loving the world isn't you know,

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00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 3: ignoring suffering or you know, putting my head in the

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00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: sand and ignoring the sort of problems in the world.

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Speaker 3: It's it's sort of it's all about sort of gratitude

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00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: and being grateful and aware of all these gifts that

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Speaker 3: we have. And like, I feel like the older I get,

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00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 3: the more moved I am by like little things like

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00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 3: you know, conversations or you know, I'm that really annoying

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00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 3: person who will stop mid conversation and point out, like

1112
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: a lizard on the ground, everyone to come and look

1113
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 3: at the lizard, because how cool was this lizard? And

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Speaker 3: and yeah, so that quote really spoke to me. I

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Speaker 3: think about just enjoying the journey and the process, and like,

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Speaker 3: you know, I had a tough time at the Olympics,

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00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 3: but how cool was it that I got to go

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Speaker 3: to the Olympics in the middle of a pandemic kind

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Speaker 3: of thing, And the amount of times I was there

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Speaker 3: and you know, just cried because I was so like

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00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: moved by this whole spectacle and how amazing, you know,

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Speaker 3: how amazing that we've been able to put on this event,

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Speaker 3: and how amazing you know professional sport is for getting

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00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: people to come together and celebrating. And yeah, so I

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Speaker 3: love that.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I have goosebumps all over my body.

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00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: That is the most beautiful answer that resonates with me

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Speaker 2: so much. I feel more and more in love with

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00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: the world and humanity as well every year, and I

1130
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: feel like I cry a lot more, like I'm happier,

1131
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: but I'm crying all the time, but joy crying. Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, what a beautiful way to finish, Katrina. This

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00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: was absolutely wonderful. I am so especially after that quote,

1134
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: so so excited to see what comes next for you.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure all of us will be watching you

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Speaker 2: in awe and moved by everything that you do.

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Speaker 3: No, thank you, no, thank you so much for talking

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Speaker 3: to me. I hope. I hope people got some good tips.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure they did. I got so many.

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01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I'm glad by recording so that

1141
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm not having to write everything.

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Speaker 3: Down, And also like whenever I see like in times,

1143
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,439
Speaker 3: like you know, noticing the small things. Whenever I see

1144
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 3: just anyone running, like just going for a run, I'm

1145
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 3: just like good for them, Like this is like I

1146
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: just I just love it.

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Speaker 2: Like, so, you were that weird lady the other day

1148
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: crying when our friend passed me, just clapping, you know,

1149
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: like good for you.

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Speaker 3: Like, well, if.

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Speaker 2: Anyone feels like on the day of the Melburn Marathon

1152
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Speaker 2: you need a cheer squad or someone who's going to

1153
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: be crying at the start of the.

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Speaker 1: Rope moved by your effort, just call Katrina.

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Speaker 3: That's right, exactly.

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Speaker 1: In true CZA fashion.

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Speaker 2: I loved that Katrina kicked herself with a non linear

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Speaker 2: pathway into out of and into running again, as do

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Speaker 2: our next two guests, in fact, in their own way,

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Speaker 2: even if you're a much longer distance runner.

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Speaker 1: I learned so much from this.

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Speaker 2: Chat, and as we build through the series, we also

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Speaker 2: hear from athletes from different distances, culminating in a full

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Speaker 2: marathon in episode three.

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Speaker 1: If you enjoyed, as always.

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Speaker 2: We'd so love to hear from you, So please shower

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Speaker 2: Katrina with love or tag us in your own runs

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Speaker 2: at Katrina Bisset at Nike Running and at Rebel Sport.

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Speaker 2: If you have any further questions, just let me know

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Speaker 2: and I can pass them on otherwise, be back next

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Speaker 2: week for more