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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. As the Israel Hamas War continues

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Speaker 2: Israelis under ntya Who's leadership? Plus happy official start of

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Speaker 2: under a gender pay gap. Now, yes, I know that

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Speaker 2: doesn't quite make sense given the financial year technically kicked

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Speaker 2: significance of August nineteen, this equal Payday. Before we get there,

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Speaker 2: here's Clare Murphy with the latest from the Quickie newsroom

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Speaker 2: for Tuesday, August nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Ukraine's lot Is Zelenski and US President Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump have expressed hope their White House meeting could lead

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Speaker 1: to trilateral talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin to bring

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Speaker 1: saying the ONUS is now on Zelenski to agree to

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Speaker 1: concessions that he said could end the war. After Zelenski

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Speaker 1: and Trump met, they held talks with leaders from the UK, Germany, Finland,

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Speaker 1: discuss potential security guarantees for Ukraine, Many arriving at the

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Speaker 1: White House in a diplomatic show of support.

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Speaker 3: We've got to make sure there is peace, that it

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Speaker 3: it is just. And that's why I'm traveling to Washington

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Speaker 3: Is in the UK's interests? Will we get this right?

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Speaker 1: That's UK Prime Minister Kirstarma Hamas has accepted the latest

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Speaker 1: proposal for a sixty to cease fire with Israel that

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Speaker 1: in Gaza and Israel's release of some Palestinian prisoners. Senior

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Speaker 1: Egyptian official source said the latest proposal included a suspension

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Speaker 1: to a comprehensive deal to end the nearly two year war.

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Speaker 1: A source familiar with the matter said the proposal was

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Speaker 1: nearly identical to the one put forward previously by US

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Speaker 1: Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff, which Israel had accepted. Israel's Foreign

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Speaker 1: Affairs Minister says the visas of Australia's representatives to the

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Speaker 1: into Israel. Mister Sara's post comes after it was revealed

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Speaker 1: after comments he made, including branding children in Gaza as enemies.

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Speaker 1: domestic violence, assault and other crimes following a year long

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Speaker 1: police investigation. Twenty eight year old Marius borg Hoiby, who's

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Speaker 1: According to his lawyer, Hoyby denies the most serious accusations

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next. What the Israel protest tells us about

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Speaker 2: the war in Gaza. This weekend, Israel witness one of

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Speaker 2: At the same time, other family members have also publicly

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Speaker 5: We will not get our children back unless the Israeli

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Speaker 2: For months, a hostages square, a public plaza, set up

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Speaker 2: While mass protests took place across the weekend in Israel,

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Speaker 2: children and families continued to suffer in Gaza. The local

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Speaker 2: health authorities say more than sixty one thousand Palestinians have

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Speaker 2: let's start with these we can protests. Why now has

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Speaker 4: So in fact, in the Israeli domestic context, there have

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Speaker 4: So Nniminetnya, who the Israeli Prime Minister, is a very

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Speaker 4: have been these ongoing protests for about a year and

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Speaker 4: partly because there was actually an opening where negotiations were

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Speaker 4: Again, when he's criticizing those protests, he understands that there

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Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about the families

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, we've also seen them front

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Speaker 4: That's right. So this is really a dividing issue within

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Speaker 4: for example, the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Gaza is probably

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Speaker 4: hostages or soldiers dying could definitely be an issue that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such an interesting point because at the weekend

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Speaker 2: and we look here in Australia, jess our Prime Minister

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Speaker 4: Not in the immediate term. These protests won't change Binnaman

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Speaker 4: but also against the way that the hostage situation has

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Speaker 4: we would see those pressures mounting within Israeli society to

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Speaker 2: We are fifty days into the new financial year, and

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Speaker 2: if you're already feeling burnt out, well, imagine doing all

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Speaker 2: of that work on top of a full year's workload

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Speaker 2: and not getting paid an extra cent for it. Spoiler alert.

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Speaker 2: In your current role, that might actually be what you'd

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Speaker 2: have to do to rally for equal pay. Welcome, my

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Speaker 2: friends to equal Payday twenty twenty five. Today marks the

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Speaker 2: point where, on average, women have finally earned what men

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Speaker 2: invisible and totally expected. Now, it's not because women are

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Speaker 2: It's because of all the other stuff. Who gets promoted,

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Speaker 2: who does the unpaid care work, who ends up in

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Speaker 2: lower paid industries like education or age care, and who doesn't.

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Speaker 2: This year's theme is a bit of a challenge. How

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Speaker 2: does your employer measure up? When's your equal payday? And

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Speaker 2: if you're thinking, how would I even work out at well,

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Speaker 2: the government's Workplace Gender Equality Agency has provided us a

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Speaker 2: nifty little tool to find out ourselves. I'll make sure

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Speaker 2: that I link that for you in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: If you've already figured out your gender pay gap at

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Speaker 2: work and they're feeling a little helpless, I'm not really

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Speaker 2: sure where to take the conversation from here. With GS

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Speaker 2: CEO Mary Woodbridge has this advice.

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Speaker 6: It's really important to think about how to go about

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Speaker 6: that a conversation in your workplace. That could be talking

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Speaker 6: to your boss, it could be talking to char it

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Speaker 6: could be talking to your colleagues. What's driving the differences,

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Speaker 6: why the gap exists, and what you can do about

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Speaker 6: it in your workplace, and whose responsibility it is for

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Speaker 2: Look, while today's average might be August nineteen, some workplaces

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Speaker 2: are better and some are well a lot worse. So

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Speaker 2: if you're tired of the extra fifty days, start asking

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Speaker 2: questions and start that conversation now. Otherwise at same time

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Speaker 2: next year, we'll still be catching up. Thanks for taking

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