WEBVTT - The Relationships Perrie Edwards Refuses to Regret 0:00:10.405 --> 0:00:15.005 You're listening to a Mother Maya podcast. Mamma Maya acknowledges 0:00:15.045 --> 0:00:17.685 the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 0:00:17.765 --> 0:00:18.485 is recorded on. 0:00:18.645 --> 0:00:20.405 Yeah, you don't want to forget that it happened. Of 0:00:20.445 --> 0:00:22.165 course it didn't work. Do I want to be there? 0:00:22.285 --> 0:00:24.205 No with that person? 0:00:24.285 --> 0:00:27.725 Heck now, but it happened, and I'm so grateful for 0:00:27.805 --> 0:00:28.925 the life experience. 0:00:33.525 --> 0:00:37.805 Hello, and welcome to No Filter. I'm Laura Brednick, and 0:00:37.845 --> 0:00:43.725 today we're sitting down with Perry Edwards, chart topping singer, performer, mother, 0:00:44.445 --> 0:00:48.805 and now finally a solo artist. Perry has lived many 0:00:48.885 --> 0:00:52.565 lives from global pop stard and with Little Mix to 0:00:52.645 --> 0:00:57.085 navigating heartbreak and motherhood in the public eye. But now 0:00:57.245 --> 0:01:01.645 she's stepping into something new, a solo career that's deeply 0:01:01.725 --> 0:01:07.165 personal and entirely her own. In this conversation, Perry opens 0:01:07.285 --> 0:01:10.565 up about the pressure of going solo after years of 0:01:10.605 --> 0:01:13.285 success with one of the biggest girl groups in the world, 0:01:13.885 --> 0:01:17.685 the heartbreak behind her first solo Forget About Us, and 0:01:17.725 --> 0:01:22.885 how becoming a mother shifted everything. She talks honestly about 0:01:22.925 --> 0:01:27.485 her decade long relationship with footballer Alex Oxford Chamberlain, the 0:01:27.605 --> 0:01:31.885 quiet grief of pregnancy loss, and the challenge of carving 0:01:31.925 --> 0:01:35.565 out her own space away from the spotlight. With her 0:01:35.605 --> 0:01:39.605 debut solo album coming out tomorrow and another baby on 0:01:39.685 --> 0:01:43.125 the way, she's stepping into a whole new chapter both 0:01:43.165 --> 0:01:47.805 personally and professionally. This is a conversation about what happens 0:01:47.845 --> 0:01:51.405 when you stop trying to please everyone else and finally 0:01:51.445 --> 0:01:58.205 make something just for you. Here is Perry Edwards. Well, Perry, Hello, 0:01:58.245 --> 0:02:02.525 and welcome to No Filter. Hello. So I opened my 0:02:02.845 --> 0:02:05.085 Instagram app over the weekend and I was greeted with 0:02:05.165 --> 0:02:09.045 some really beautiful news from you, announcing your pregnancy and 0:02:09.125 --> 0:02:12.365 in this moment of going through that huge life moment 0:02:12.525 --> 0:02:14.565 and you're about to release your debut album and the 0:02:14.645 --> 0:02:16.765 build up to that. How are you doing in this 0:02:16.805 --> 0:02:19.605 moment with these two huge monumental events happening at the 0:02:19.605 --> 0:02:20.125 same time. 0:02:20.845 --> 0:02:24.845 Oh good, Okay, there's a lot going on, but it's 0:02:24.925 --> 0:02:27.085 kind of just like really exciting. I feel like there's 0:02:27.085 --> 0:02:29.125 just so much going on in a great way, and 0:02:29.165 --> 0:02:31.085 it's everything. I love. Babies and music. 0:02:31.485 --> 0:02:33.645 Oh yes, the two joyful things in life. 0:02:34.045 --> 0:02:34.485 Exactly. 0:02:34.565 --> 0:02:36.845 Was there a decision to sort of put that news 0:02:36.885 --> 0:02:38.845 out there in the lead up to the album because 0:02:38.845 --> 0:02:40.405 you're doing a lot of press or do you just 0:02:40.445 --> 0:02:42.125 feel like the right moment. What do you kind of 0:02:42.165 --> 0:02:45.165 thinking around that being on such a public platform. 0:02:45.845 --> 0:02:47.845 I think it was just the right time. And I said, 0:02:47.885 --> 0:02:50.205 from like the beginning, you know, I spoke. 0:02:49.965 --> 0:02:51.885 To all the doctors and all the specialists, and. 0:02:51.845 --> 0:02:54.245 We all kind of come to an agreement that it 0:02:54.245 --> 0:02:57.085 would be best to share the news after like the 0:02:57.325 --> 0:02:59.685 scans all went okay and everything was fine. 0:02:59.805 --> 0:03:03.245 And then also I'm just I'm a bit bored of 0:03:03.325 --> 0:03:04.485 height in it now. 0:03:04.725 --> 0:03:07.365 Yes, because I conceive doing a lot of performances and things, 0:03:07.405 --> 0:03:09.285 and I guess you have to be very strategic of 0:03:09.405 --> 0:03:10.365 hiding it in that moment. 0:03:11.045 --> 0:03:14.405 Yeah, it's so annoying, Like the outfits are not necessarily 0:03:14.405 --> 0:03:16.565 what I want to wear, but they cover the bump 0:03:16.645 --> 0:03:19.205 the best. And it's like there's been a lot of 0:03:19.925 --> 0:03:21.525 a lot of that going on behind the scenes that 0:03:21.525 --> 0:03:23.685 I'm really tired of now. So I'm like, just free. 0:03:23.485 --> 0:03:27.005 Bump, because free to bump in that day, we love 0:03:27.045 --> 0:03:30.805 it. It's well leading up into this moment of your debut 0:03:30.965 --> 0:03:35.125 release and seeing the excitement around the anticipation from fans 0:03:35.205 --> 0:03:37.725 and you're doing these performances. I want to sort of 0:03:37.725 --> 0:03:41.045 take you back to I guess young Perry and what 0:03:41.205 --> 0:03:43.965 she would have made of this huge success. Was this 0:03:43.965 --> 0:03:46.645 something that when you were growing up and singing. I 0:03:46.685 --> 0:03:48.765 know both your parents are into music. Is this something 0:03:48.845 --> 0:03:50.725 that you ever pictured for yourself? 0:03:51.165 --> 0:03:51.805 I think so. 0:03:52.165 --> 0:03:56.045 I think I pictured it differently, but I always pictured singing. 0:03:56.365 --> 0:03:58.965 So I knew singing was like my thing and it's 0:03:59.005 --> 0:04:01.525 what I wanted to do. But I didn't think i'd 0:04:01.525 --> 0:04:03.845 get this lucky in life and naturally be living out 0:04:03.885 --> 0:04:05.285 my dream, which is crazy. 0:04:05.325 --> 0:04:09.085 But whenever I go through things, when I meet certain people. 0:04:10.005 --> 0:04:13.125 I met Anastasia the other day, Oh wow, And she 0:04:13.325 --> 0:04:15.925 was like one of my biggest idols grown up as 0:04:15.965 --> 0:04:17.085 a little girl, and. 0:04:17.045 --> 0:04:19.965 I used to listen to her album constantly on repeat 0:04:19.965 --> 0:04:22.005 in the car. And then I met up with her 0:04:22.005 --> 0:04:25.165 and we exchange numbers and we're like chatting, and I'm like, obviously, 0:04:25.205 --> 0:04:26.685 I'm just like, oh, that's so cool. 0:04:26.725 --> 0:04:29.845 But Little Perry would she would die if she knew she. 0:04:29.805 --> 0:04:34.445 Was like messaging the Anastasia and she'd be freaking the 0:04:34.485 --> 0:04:36.765 hell out. So I think there is times in my 0:04:36.845 --> 0:04:38.405 career and in my life that I sit back and 0:04:38.405 --> 0:04:40.645 I think, WHOA, this is wild. 0:04:41.325 --> 0:04:43.125 It's always the people that you loved as you were 0:04:43.165 --> 0:04:45.005 growing up that I don't I met you. But I meet 0:04:45.005 --> 0:04:46.885 so many celebrities in this line of work, and it's 0:04:46.885 --> 0:04:49.605 always the people that I loved growing up that I 0:04:49.645 --> 0:04:51.805 get the most star struck around. I guess because they've 0:04:51.805 --> 0:04:52.765 been with you the longest. 0:04:53.565 --> 0:04:54.525 I think that's what it is. 0:04:54.645 --> 0:04:56.765 Yeah, because there's so many people that I could meet 0:04:56.765 --> 0:04:58.405 and I'd be like, oh, that's so cool. But you're 0:04:58.485 --> 0:05:00.485 right when you're a kid and you grow up looking 0:05:00.525 --> 0:05:03.165 at this person and you think they're all like untouchable 0:05:03.245 --> 0:05:05.685 and just incredible, and then you kind of meet up 0:05:05.725 --> 0:05:05.965 with them. 0:05:05.885 --> 0:05:08.805 When you're alder like that. That is weird, but in 0:05:08.845 --> 0:05:09.405 the best way. 0:05:09.685 --> 0:05:11.485 Oh. Just think of all the people that you watched 0:05:11.485 --> 0:05:13.685 growing up who were probably at this moment singing along 0:05:13.685 --> 0:05:15.405 to your music in the car or putting it on 0:05:15.445 --> 0:05:17.405 to get ready in the background like that the most 0:05:17.445 --> 0:05:20.805 surreal feeling. Were you always the kid who was singing 0:05:20.845 --> 0:05:23.925 around home or wanting to be in the school musicals? 0:05:24.045 --> 0:05:26.485 Like what was that moment if you like of sort 0:05:26.525 --> 0:05:28.325 of finding your voice at a young age. 0:05:28.805 --> 0:05:32.925 I would sing constantly, so I was constantly humming or 0:05:32.965 --> 0:05:36.685 constantly singing, or you know, spending hours and hours in 0:05:36.725 --> 0:05:39.365 my bedroom singing. But I would never really do it publicly. 0:05:39.405 --> 0:05:41.605 I wasn't the type to like want to be in 0:05:41.605 --> 0:05:44.125 the school plays, someone to audition for things. That kind 0:05:44.165 --> 0:05:46.965 of really used to terrify me. So I didn't really 0:05:46.965 --> 0:05:49.325 start singing publicly till I was about fifteen. 0:05:49.405 --> 0:05:52.605 Maybe, Oh wow, that's so interesting to think of now 0:05:52.685 --> 0:05:54.285 as like you know where you are now and sort 0:05:54.285 --> 0:05:56.525 of was it a bit of a looking back now 0:05:56.605 --> 0:05:59.245 as an adult looking back on it as a teenager, 0:05:59.365 --> 0:06:02.645 was it a bit of almost stage fright or anxiety 0:06:02.725 --> 0:06:04.885 or was it just not your place at that day? 0:06:04.925 --> 0:06:07.965 Yeah, oh, gosha, know I was terrified. I just didn't 0:06:07.965 --> 0:06:10.725 want to do it. I knew I could sing, and 0:06:10.765 --> 0:06:12.565 I loved singing, but doing it in front. 0:06:12.365 --> 0:06:15.765 Of people would just make me feel sick. So I 0:06:15.805 --> 0:06:17.725 was just terrified to do anything like that. It took 0:06:17.765 --> 0:06:19.005 me a while to get the confidence. 0:06:19.045 --> 0:06:22.045 I think doing like performing art at college really helped 0:06:22.085 --> 0:06:24.445 me come out my shell a lot, because everybody in 0:06:24.445 --> 0:06:27.485 the room was just so big and like over the 0:06:27.485 --> 0:06:30.765 top and like animated then the best way, and I 0:06:30.845 --> 0:06:32.645 was just the opposite of that. So I think they 0:06:32.725 --> 0:06:35.205 kind of brought me out my shell a lot on that, 0:06:35.565 --> 0:06:37.525 and we did loads of shows and things like that, 0:06:37.565 --> 0:06:39.365 So I think after that I started to think, oh, 0:06:39.365 --> 0:06:40.365 this is really good. 0:06:40.645 --> 0:06:42.965 Yeah, that feeling of being on stage would kind of 0:06:43.045 --> 0:06:44.285 trump the anxiety in a way. 0:06:45.045 --> 0:06:46.045 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:06:46.565 --> 0:06:49.245 And I've heard you talk many years, because I've been 0:06:49.245 --> 0:06:51.005 a fan for a very very long time of your 0:06:51.085 --> 0:06:53.445 music and everything, and I've heard you talk many many 0:06:53.525 --> 0:06:56.245 times over the years about the beautiful relationship that you 0:06:56.285 --> 0:06:58.645 have with your mother, how close you were growing up, 0:06:58.645 --> 0:07:00.365 and that she was really the one to kind of 0:07:00.765 --> 0:07:02.885 give you a bit of a push into performing. Is 0:07:02.925 --> 0:07:05.045 that right, Like she could see what you were going 0:07:05.085 --> 0:07:05.525 to become. 0:07:06.365 --> 0:07:09.525 Yeah, she was always the one trying to push, but 0:07:09.685 --> 0:07:12.605 I was so bit fully shy. I was useless, and 0:07:12.685 --> 0:07:14.125 you'd be like, why can't you just do it? And 0:07:14.125 --> 0:07:16.165 I'm like, God, I'm so scared. 0:07:16.605 --> 0:07:18.645 She's always pushed me, because she's always been my biggest 0:07:18.685 --> 0:07:21.045 chelia down and biggest fun But I suppose when you're 0:07:21.085 --> 0:07:23.085 growing up you just think your mom thinks you're the 0:07:23.085 --> 0:07:25.725 best anyway, the worst singer in the world. 0:07:25.725 --> 0:07:27.605 And my mom could have been like you're amazing. 0:07:28.405 --> 0:07:32.245 I think I didn't fully like support her, you know, 0:07:32.525 --> 0:07:33.085 love for my. 0:07:33.125 --> 0:07:35.365 Voice and everything like that. I was like, nah, you're crazy. 0:07:35.845 --> 0:07:38.965 But then yeah, I think like even now, she's the 0:07:39.005 --> 0:07:43.285 one that still has like expectations and kind of knows 0:07:43.405 --> 0:07:45.605 what I can do and everything like that, whereas I'm 0:07:45.645 --> 0:07:47.685 still a little bit in the same head space. 0:07:48.325 --> 0:07:51.125 I don't know. Yeah, she's always been my biggest fan. 0:07:51.605 --> 0:07:53.485 Oh right, do you still get a bit of stage 0:07:53.485 --> 0:07:55.445 fright to this day. I mean as an outsider in 0:07:55.485 --> 0:07:58.005 like watching you perform over the years that it doesn't 0:07:58.005 --> 0:07:59.885 come across that way at all, but you still the 0:07:59.925 --> 0:08:01.525 kind of person who will stay to your mom before 0:08:01.525 --> 0:08:03.525 a big performance, like I don't know if I can 0:08:03.565 --> 0:08:04.565 do this even now. 0:08:05.165 --> 0:08:08.965 Yeah, I think it's more like the like releasing things 0:08:09.085 --> 0:08:11.845 and putting things out, and it's all the fear of 0:08:11.885 --> 0:08:14.285 the unknown route, which I think is completely normal because 0:08:14.485 --> 0:08:16.565 I think that would be the same for anybody in 0:08:16.645 --> 0:08:19.725 any kind of line of work that they're in. But yeah, 0:08:19.765 --> 0:08:21.805 I do still get really nervous and I get scared, 0:08:21.845 --> 0:08:23.885 But once I'm on stage, I'm kind of like the 0:08:23.925 --> 0:08:28.325 happiest version of myself, So it's like it's a little 0:08:28.365 --> 0:08:30.685 bit giddy before I get on, but then once someone, 0:08:30.765 --> 0:08:32.165 I'm like, oh, this so what I love. 0:08:32.765 --> 0:08:34.605 So I definitely don't get as nervous now as I 0:08:34.645 --> 0:08:35.485 did when I was a kid. 0:08:35.725 --> 0:08:38.085 Oh okay, well that is that is good. I guess 0:08:37.925 --> 0:08:40.005 that's one of the lovely things I always say about 0:08:40.045 --> 0:08:41.765 to people who are scared of growing up and getting 0:08:41.805 --> 0:08:44.165 older and like, but you just start to feel more confident, 0:08:44.405 --> 0:08:46.605 things are easier, Like That's the beautiful thing as you 0:08:46.645 --> 0:08:48.965 get older is you do get to be able to 0:08:48.965 --> 0:08:51.485 overcome some of those big fears that you had growing up. 0:08:52.005 --> 0:08:55.445 Yeah, definitely, and you just care less as well about 0:08:55.485 --> 0:08:58.965 your opinions. I think you really step into your power 0:08:59.005 --> 0:09:01.005 as you get older. I think you just become like 0:09:01.525 --> 0:09:03.765 the person you want to be, and you're not worried 0:09:03.805 --> 0:09:07.405 about outside noise as much. And I think everything comes 0:09:07.445 --> 0:09:12.005 with age. I think grace, like everything, understanding, it all 0:09:12.045 --> 0:09:15.445 comes with age. So I enjoy getting older because I 0:09:15.565 --> 0:09:16.405 start to give less. 0:09:17.205 --> 0:09:20.365 Fox really is I guess I'm really finding that as well. 0:09:20.365 --> 0:09:21.685 That's why I say to all the younger people in 0:09:21.685 --> 0:09:23.965 this office who were worried about going to her thirties, 0:09:24.005 --> 0:09:26.765 I was like, no, it's actually lovely because yeah, you 0:09:26.885 --> 0:09:30.085 just feel more confident in yourself. And so I also 0:09:30.205 --> 0:09:33.005 understand that going into that time leading into the X 0:09:33.045 --> 0:09:35.925 Factor auditions, it was your mom that wanted to was 0:09:35.965 --> 0:09:38.045 pushing you to go along. Is that right? Is she 0:09:38.125 --> 0:09:39.925 the one who was sort of like, this is your moment? 0:09:40.365 --> 0:09:44.645 Yes, And I didn't want to go and I'm really embarrassed. 0:09:44.685 --> 0:09:46.725 And I was like, what are friends at school see 0:09:46.805 --> 0:09:48.485 me or like forends at college. 0:09:49.005 --> 0:09:51.805 It's just embarrassing. My mom was like, no, it's not 0:09:51.845 --> 0:09:53.165 and she walked me up in the middle of the 0:09:53.245 --> 0:09:54.885 night and drove me to Glasgow. 0:09:56.605 --> 0:10:01.565 Newcastle auditions were canceled, so I was like, yes, lo 0:10:01.685 --> 0:10:03.925 and behold she comes in. She drags me out of 0:10:03.925 --> 0:10:08.165 ben Off people to Glasgow. So I'm grateful for my 0:10:08.245 --> 0:10:10.445 mom pushing me into it. The time, I was how 0:10:10.445 --> 0:10:10.885 are you doing? 0:10:12.165 --> 0:10:14.725 But now that I'm all that again, now that I'm older, 0:10:14.885 --> 0:10:15.405 I get it. 0:10:15.765 --> 0:10:18.045 She could see the potential, she could see the talent, 0:10:18.085 --> 0:10:21.205 and she just wanted me to kind of succeeds, I guess. 0:10:21.245 --> 0:10:23.245 So now I'm so gread you did it. 0:10:23.365 --> 0:10:25.245 Oh, I feel like we all Your mom are huge debt, 0:10:25.285 --> 0:10:27.285 Like she was really putting in the work behind the 0:10:27.285 --> 0:10:29.445 scenes to get you to be this musician that people 0:10:29.485 --> 0:10:31.925 have loved for so many years. So yeah, I feel 0:10:31.925 --> 0:10:33.205 like we know her are quite a big debt for 0:10:33.485 --> 0:10:34.605 what she's done for the while. 0:10:36.045 --> 0:10:36.365 Depths. 0:10:36.605 --> 0:10:40.685 Yes, we'll time debby and going into those early exacted days. 0:10:40.725 --> 0:10:42.525 I know this must seem like a million years away 0:10:42.525 --> 0:10:44.365 too now or maybe it feels like yesterday. I don't 0:10:44.365 --> 0:10:47.045 know how those kind of very vivid memories work. You 0:10:47.045 --> 0:10:50.165 were seventeen at the time, is that correct? In twenty eleven, 0:10:50.885 --> 0:10:53.685 what were your memories of that time of being in 0:10:53.685 --> 0:10:56.965 those audition rooms and being on that stage, and were 0:10:57.005 --> 0:10:58.845 you looking at it as a life changing moment or 0:10:58.845 --> 0:11:01.565 were you looking at with the shyness that you're talking about, 0:11:01.565 --> 0:11:03.005 as something like I just have to get through this 0:11:03.085 --> 0:11:03.925 and then I can go home. 0:11:05.365 --> 0:11:08.045 Yeah, I think that. I think I was, Like my 0:11:08.125 --> 0:11:09.525 mum kept saying to me, like, love. 0:11:09.445 --> 0:11:11.845 If you don't get through and you don't get through 0:11:11.885 --> 0:11:14.405 the auditions, just look at it. It's life experience and 0:11:14.565 --> 0:11:17.445 like this makes you who you are, like as you 0:11:17.445 --> 0:11:20.285 get older and I'm like, oh great, yeah, getting a 0:11:20.325 --> 0:11:25.725 big fat nose going to really shame Well, Yeah, exactly, 0:11:26.245 --> 0:11:29.245 like the majority of the auditions happened before you even 0:11:29.285 --> 0:11:32.605 see the judges. So you have to audition in front 0:11:32.605 --> 0:11:36.885 of like the producers and everything, maybe four or five auditions. 0:11:37.165 --> 0:11:39.885 Then you see the judges, and then you go through 0:11:39.925 --> 0:11:44.245 like the whole X factor kind of regimended thing. 0:11:44.965 --> 0:11:46.325 But before that, it was like. 0:11:46.405 --> 0:11:49.445 Audition after audition after audition, and I think I've alsaw 0:11:50.285 --> 0:11:51.765 bord of it, and I was like, Oh, I'm not 0:11:51.765 --> 0:11:52.725 really nervous anymore. 0:11:52.765 --> 0:11:56.685 It's just a bit long, right, And you were there 0:11:56.725 --> 0:11:58.805 for hours all day every day. 0:11:59.565 --> 0:12:00.965 So I think it got to the point where I 0:12:01.045 --> 0:12:02.885 was like making friends there and we were having like 0:12:02.925 --> 0:12:04.605 a laugh and it was like a little deal out 0:12:04.645 --> 0:12:07.245 and I thought, oh, it's quite fun actually, So then 0:12:07.285 --> 0:12:10.285 it just became a bit more of like a a thing. 0:12:10.405 --> 0:12:12.525 And then once it started to get real, then I 0:12:12.565 --> 0:12:14.605 started to think, oh my god, this could actually happen. 0:12:15.005 --> 0:12:18.005 And so initially you were taking other soul auditions and 0:12:18.045 --> 0:12:20.325 then put into a group. Did that sort of help 0:12:20.445 --> 0:12:22.805 with the audition process? Going through that you were standing 0:12:22.805 --> 0:12:24.645 in side by side with these other people, and you 0:12:24.725 --> 0:12:27.205 were guests, got to form your own little safety net 0:12:27.245 --> 0:12:30.085 within this huge kind of what was such a global 0:12:30.085 --> 0:12:30.765 show at the time. 0:12:31.325 --> 0:12:34.005 Oh yeah, absolutely. I got wrung my mom and book 0:12:34.005 --> 0:12:35.885 can't crying my eyes out every day. I was like, 0:12:36.005 --> 0:12:39.085 please pick me up, behaved here, And then my mom 0:12:39.165 --> 0:12:40.765 was like, look, if you're lucky, you'll get put in 0:12:40.805 --> 0:12:41.245 a group. 0:12:41.845 --> 0:12:42.845 And I'll take to think. 0:12:42.885 --> 0:12:45.085 It's just like yeah, because if you think about it, 0:12:45.125 --> 0:12:47.725 like I just said, I was so painfully shy. I 0:12:47.845 --> 0:12:50.925 really performed in front of people before the next fact, 0:12:50.925 --> 0:12:53.405 that was my first kind of big thing that I did. 0:12:53.885 --> 0:12:56.885 So I think having like the girls presiding and being 0:12:56.885 --> 0:12:58.645 put in a group of brow of confidence that I 0:12:58.645 --> 0:13:01.005 didn't necessarily perfect the beginning, So I think it was 0:13:01.045 --> 0:13:02.525 the best thing that could have happened to me, to 0:13:02.565 --> 0:13:02.965 be honest. 0:13:03.125 --> 0:13:04.965 Oh that's such a lovely way to look at it. 0:13:05.325 --> 0:13:07.725 And again going on then to sort of those days 0:13:07.725 --> 0:13:10.845 in Little Mix and the bean blowing up and people 0:13:10.885 --> 0:13:13.045 being so invested in you as a singer, and you're 0:13:13.085 --> 0:13:16.045 doing huge tours and you're doing appearances, and I remember 0:13:16.085 --> 0:13:18.285 looking at the paparazzi videos of the time and all 0:13:18.445 --> 0:13:20.885 just like the fans just dying crying in the streets, 0:13:20.925 --> 0:13:23.005 some of them tears pouring down their faces at seeing 0:13:23.045 --> 0:13:26.085 you and you're at such a young age at that time. 0:13:26.605 --> 0:13:28.765 What do you think when you kind of look back 0:13:28.845 --> 0:13:31.125 on that moment. Were you able to stop in that 0:13:31.165 --> 0:13:34.605 moment and think, Wow, this is incredible or was there 0:13:34.685 --> 0:13:37.565 a certain kind of I guess pressure of then, like 0:13:37.725 --> 0:13:40.005 now we've won. Now there's these expectations, and now we 0:13:40.085 --> 0:13:42.365 have to go and be this successful band that people 0:13:42.405 --> 0:13:43.165 think we're going to be. 0:13:44.245 --> 0:13:46.005 Yeah. I think it was a little bit of both. 0:13:46.965 --> 0:13:48.525 I think, you know, when I look back now, I 0:13:48.565 --> 0:13:50.805 wish we could have kind of lived in the moment 0:13:50.805 --> 0:13:53.165 a lot more, because we did have so much fun, 0:13:53.725 --> 0:13:57.525 Like we had such a laugh, like we topped the meg, 0:13:57.725 --> 0:14:01.325 like we just had the best time. But we worked 0:14:01.405 --> 0:14:04.365 so hard and we were so hard on ourselves to 0:14:04.525 --> 0:14:07.805 become successful and kind of you know, we were told 0:14:07.845 --> 0:14:10.605 several times that go Bunst doing well and little Makes 0:14:10.965 --> 0:14:13.165 doing well, you're not going to make it, And we 0:14:13.205 --> 0:14:15.285 wanted to prove people wrong so much so that we 0:14:15.405 --> 0:14:17.085 kind of run ourselves into the ground a lot of 0:14:17.125 --> 0:14:20.565 the time. And I think like back then it was 0:14:20.725 --> 0:14:23.845 like crazy as well, like you're seeing the funs and 0:14:23.885 --> 0:14:25.765 the paparazzi and everything at the time. But it was 0:14:25.765 --> 0:14:27.845 all just a bit much to take on board in 0:14:27.845 --> 0:14:30.165 the Mormon But when I look back now, I'm like, wow, 0:14:30.205 --> 0:14:33.605 that was wild. Yeah, but it was probably a good 0:14:33.605 --> 0:14:35.645 thing that we were so busy that we didn't really 0:14:35.645 --> 0:14:36.805 have time to pondermics. 0:14:36.845 --> 0:14:39.965 Maybe it would have been a bit much, maybe not. 0:14:40.045 --> 0:14:42.525 Good at that busyness of just like just keep going in. 0:14:42.765 --> 0:14:44.605 But it's always that's always a thing, those big times 0:14:44.645 --> 0:14:46.725 in your life. You always look back afterwards and think, Oh, 0:14:46.725 --> 0:14:48.445 I wish I just enjoyed that more. But I guess 0:14:48.485 --> 0:14:50.845 when you're in it, that's hard to kind of move 0:14:50.885 --> 0:14:53.205 into that. And you talk about also working so much, 0:14:53.325 --> 0:14:55.805 long hours, the tour hours, all those sorts of things. 0:14:56.205 --> 0:14:59.645 But were there moments where you sort of remember enjoying 0:14:59.685 --> 0:15:01.645 that fame for the first time, Like, was there a 0:15:01.685 --> 0:15:04.085 moment where you got a paycheck and you got to 0:15:04.085 --> 0:15:06.085 buy something crazy, because I would have just like run 0:15:06.125 --> 0:15:07.725 to top Shop or something if I was your age, 0:15:07.845 --> 0:15:10.285 or buy something for your fair or where was the 0:15:10.325 --> 0:15:12.125 first moment you got to have like a little bit 0:15:12.165 --> 0:15:13.565 of indulgence off your fame. 0:15:14.125 --> 0:15:19.005 Ooh, I don't know. I think we did like an 0:15:19.005 --> 0:15:23.285 advert on X Factor in his very early days. I 0:15:23.325 --> 0:15:26.125 can't remember what it was for emin s maybe. 0:15:26.285 --> 0:15:27.965 And we did a few different things and we actually 0:15:27.965 --> 0:15:31.565 got paid for those things, right went to the cashpoint 0:15:31.645 --> 0:15:34.085 with my mom and my brother and I. 0:15:34.005 --> 0:15:37.445 Was like, oh, my gosh, there's money in my cat. 0:15:37.525 --> 0:15:39.965 It's like my brother like whacked me on the head 0:15:40.325 --> 0:15:42.845 and he was like, nah, it's more than that. 0:15:42.925 --> 0:15:44.725 And I was like, what number is that it was? 0:15:44.845 --> 0:15:45.885 I didn't even know what number. 0:15:45.925 --> 0:15:50.765 It was crazy, but for me, like from humble beginnings, 0:15:50.765 --> 0:15:54.285 I've never seen before in an account. So I was 0:15:54.325 --> 0:15:57.125 freaking out and and my mom and my brother were 0:15:57.165 --> 0:15:58.885 like freaking out in the street, but try not to 0:15:58.885 --> 0:16:02.005 be too much of a thing made people stop and stare. 0:16:02.525 --> 0:16:04.405 And then I remember going to the Apple Store and 0:16:04.485 --> 0:16:06.285 just buying my whole family like laptops. 0:16:06.845 --> 0:16:10.645 Oh that's so nice of you to like spread of 0:16:10.685 --> 0:16:12.285 the wealth around the families start away. 0:16:12.485 --> 0:16:17.925 Yeah, I felt rich. I was like you, it was epic. 0:16:18.685 --> 0:16:19.405 Oh, I love that. 0:16:19.565 --> 0:16:21.405 I'd be grateful for that. It's great. 0:16:21.725 --> 0:16:24.525 And I think like when we did fan events and 0:16:24.565 --> 0:16:27.165 things like that and we got to actually see them 0:16:27.165 --> 0:16:30.685 in the flesh like clause and seeing how much they 0:16:30.885 --> 0:16:34.925 just loved us. It was like, that's when I'd be like, shoot, 0:16:35.045 --> 0:16:37.125 like we're actually doing something amazing here. 0:16:37.325 --> 0:16:38.005 This is wild. 0:16:38.445 --> 0:16:40.165 Oh that's a yeah, that's a beautiful way to look 0:16:40.165 --> 0:16:42.485 at it. And the fans as well, because again, like 0:16:43.165 --> 0:16:45.645 music that you sing along too, especially when you're a teenager, 0:16:45.645 --> 0:16:47.005 and so many of your fans of the time, like 0:16:47.085 --> 0:16:49.485 so many adults, but young girls, like, there's nothing I 0:16:49.485 --> 0:16:51.565 think that really trumps that feeling of falling in love 0:16:51.565 --> 0:16:53.885 with a band for the first time and sleeping out 0:16:53.885 --> 0:16:55.925 for tickets or sleeping out to get into a concert 0:16:55.965 --> 0:16:57.805 and all those kind of things, Like there's nothing that 0:16:57.885 --> 0:17:00.365 kind of I think replaces that feeling. So it must 0:17:00.405 --> 0:17:01.885 be nice to know that you were that for so 0:17:01.965 --> 0:17:02.525 many people. 0:17:02.845 --> 0:17:06.085 Oh yeah, it was the best feoman ever. It was epic. 0:17:10.605 --> 0:17:13.405 After the break, Perry tells us the truth about an 0:17:13.605 --> 0:17:17.125 iconic brit Awards moment and how she pushed back against 0:17:17.125 --> 0:17:20.685 industry pressure to find her voice as a solo artist. 0:17:25.165 --> 0:17:27.245 You were saying before that when you first got into 0:17:27.245 --> 0:17:29.325 the band, there was a bit of talk around girl 0:17:29.365 --> 0:17:33.925 bands not succeeding or being a bit harder to establish, 0:17:33.965 --> 0:17:35.805 and obviously we've seen over the years from so many 0:17:35.845 --> 0:17:38.485 different musicians that that's not true. There's a huge appetite 0:17:38.525 --> 0:17:41.165 for that music. And I wanted to ask you about 0:17:41.165 --> 0:17:43.605 the brit Awards win when you were up on stage 0:17:43.725 --> 0:17:47.645 and as a group you said, the industry is filled 0:17:47.685 --> 0:17:50.245 with like a lot of sexism misogyny, but we've pushed 0:17:50.285 --> 0:17:52.005 through and this win is for all the other girl 0:17:52.005 --> 0:17:54.245 groups out there, and you name some of them. And 0:17:54.285 --> 0:17:56.965 I just think that's like such a powerful moment in 0:17:57.005 --> 0:17:59.605 pop culture across the world. Like that clip still gets 0:17:59.605 --> 0:18:02.925 played across so many social media platforms now and people 0:18:02.925 --> 0:18:06.645 still resonate with it because of how powerful that statement was. 0:18:07.325 --> 0:18:08.925 What does it mean to you now to sort of 0:18:09.085 --> 0:18:11.925 look back on that and be such a history making 0:18:11.965 --> 0:18:14.125 moment but also decide as a group that you were 0:18:14.125 --> 0:18:16.485 going to make it about all the women in the industry. 0:18:17.205 --> 0:18:20.245 Yeah, I think that's what a Little Mits was always about. 0:18:20.805 --> 0:18:22.925 It wasn't just like we're doing this and this is 0:18:22.965 --> 0:18:25.125 our pack and this is that we just wanted to 0:18:25.125 --> 0:18:28.125 pave the way for other girls, other women in the industry, 0:18:28.485 --> 0:18:31.805 girl bands that came before and after us that we 0:18:31.885 --> 0:18:34.845 thought was so deserv and of winning that award. So 0:18:34.885 --> 0:18:36.925 we just couldn't really comprehend that, and we were like, 0:18:36.965 --> 0:18:39.325 that's just so weird because they were fucking great. 0:18:39.925 --> 0:18:40.645 So that's why we. 0:18:40.605 --> 0:18:43.765 Wanted to kind of shout out, you know that in 0:18:43.805 --> 0:18:45.485 our acceptance speech. 0:18:45.325 --> 0:18:46.725 Just to be like, you all deserve this. 0:18:46.965 --> 0:18:49.765 You got overlooked and it wasn't fair in a very 0:18:49.805 --> 0:18:51.285 male dominant industry. 0:18:52.205 --> 0:18:54.165 Yeah, it's lovely that I think that moment is still 0:18:54.205 --> 0:18:57.605 remembered so strongly around the world. And when you were 0:18:57.605 --> 0:19:00.485 then deciding to move into a solo career and what 0:19:00.525 --> 0:19:02.845 you wanted those sounds to look like, but also at 0:19:02.845 --> 0:19:05.005 the same time, you're coming off this huge career and 0:19:05.045 --> 0:19:08.045 this huge worldwide fame. Was there any part of you 0:19:08.085 --> 0:19:10.165 that thought, like, oh, I don't I don't have to 0:19:10.205 --> 0:19:12.085 go into a solo career. That's not what I want 0:19:12.085 --> 0:19:14.045 to do. I want to give myself a rest or. 0:19:14.445 --> 0:19:17.005 Did you sort of come into that mindset of being like, 0:19:17.165 --> 0:19:18.485 this is what I want to do and this is 0:19:18.525 --> 0:19:21.205 what I want my sound to be as a solo artist. 0:19:21.445 --> 0:19:21.885 I don't know. 0:19:21.965 --> 0:19:23.885 I think I kind of did get to a little 0:19:23.885 --> 0:19:25.125 bit of a crossroads where I. 0:19:25.085 --> 0:19:26.365 Was like do I do it? Do I not? 0:19:27.045 --> 0:19:28.965 I think I kind of owed it to myself to 0:19:28.965 --> 0:19:32.325 do it because it's something that I love. But at 0:19:32.325 --> 0:19:34.925 the same time, I was like, oh, I know the industry, 0:19:34.965 --> 0:19:36.845 I know how hard it is, and this. 0:19:36.925 --> 0:19:38.725 Is completely different now even to what it. 0:19:38.805 --> 0:19:41.405 Was back then, and I think part of me was 0:19:41.445 --> 0:19:44.085 a bit like should I even do it? 0:19:45.325 --> 0:19:46.845 And that wasn't because of laziness. 0:19:46.925 --> 0:19:49.005 I was just because I thought, is it something that's 0:19:49.045 --> 0:19:52.005 going to actually make me happy? And then I think 0:19:52.125 --> 0:19:55.565 when I started making music and being in the studio, 0:19:55.645 --> 0:19:57.805 I thought, no, this is like, this is what I 0:19:57.965 --> 0:19:58.765 just love to do. 0:19:59.325 --> 0:20:00.125 I just love singing. 0:20:00.645 --> 0:20:03.245 So I think any opportunity where I can be on 0:20:03.285 --> 0:20:06.005 the stage and be performing and get that adrenaline rush 0:20:06.085 --> 0:20:10.365 and like all that stuff that comes with been a singer, 0:20:10.405 --> 0:20:10.925 I just. 0:20:10.965 --> 0:20:12.845 You know, I wanted to give it a go and 0:20:13.005 --> 0:20:15.285 just see see what happens, yes. 0:20:15.085 --> 0:20:17.525 And just sing. And I guess know that like old fans, 0:20:17.605 --> 0:20:19.965 new fans would all sort of be there to hear 0:20:20.125 --> 0:20:22.445 the new material that you were releasing and would be 0:20:22.445 --> 0:20:23.245 excited to hear it. 0:20:24.205 --> 0:20:25.045 Yeah, exactly. 0:20:25.445 --> 0:20:28.005 Coming into twenty twenty four, you released a single Forget 0:20:28.005 --> 0:20:31.365 about Us. Switch is such a banger, one of the 0:20:31.365 --> 0:20:32.925 ones I sing along to in the car quite a 0:20:32.925 --> 0:20:35.845 bit myself, And you've said about that that it's about 0:20:35.845 --> 0:20:39.445 past relationships and looking back on what worked and what 0:20:39.485 --> 0:20:41.445 didn't and where you are now. How do you go 0:20:41.485 --> 0:20:44.005 on the process of sort of looking back on all 0:20:44.005 --> 0:20:46.725 these past relationships and feelings and then picking out the 0:20:46.765 --> 0:20:49.045 moments that you want to put into a song. What 0:20:49.165 --> 0:20:52.365 is that process like, because I guess from an outsider's perspective, 0:20:52.405 --> 0:20:55.245 it just looks like so many different feelings and thoughts 0:20:55.285 --> 0:20:57.205 to distill down into this song that you want to 0:20:57.245 --> 0:20:58.085 put out into the world. 0:20:58.645 --> 0:21:01.485 Yeah, I think it's different every time. With that one, 0:21:01.605 --> 0:21:04.125 it was you know, it was written by a cheer 0:21:04.165 --> 0:21:07.405 and it felt like a big pop song. 0:21:08.645 --> 0:21:11.085 And it just really big and I loved the sound 0:21:11.085 --> 0:21:12.445 of it, and I love the viber bit and at 0:21:12.445 --> 0:21:15.005 the time I didn't have the first single or what 0:21:15.045 --> 0:21:18.605 I thought my first single, and I think concept wise, 0:21:18.645 --> 0:21:20.125 I liked that it was just relatable. 0:21:20.645 --> 0:21:21.645 I feel like so many. 0:21:21.405 --> 0:21:24.845 People go through life where they have relationships with people 0:21:24.885 --> 0:21:27.285 that didn't work because it was wrong person or wrong 0:21:27.325 --> 0:21:30.605 time or whatever the circumstances are. But at the same time, 0:21:30.645 --> 0:21:33.365 it happened and it's part of your life and it's 0:21:33.845 --> 0:21:35.405 kind of it makes you who you are. 0:21:35.325 --> 0:21:37.485 When you're old at kind of shoot you as a person, 0:21:37.525 --> 0:21:38.045 and there's. 0:21:37.925 --> 0:21:41.965 Such huge impactful moments in your life that I kind 0:21:42.005 --> 0:21:43.645 of thought, like, Yeah, you don't want to forget that 0:21:43.725 --> 0:21:44.205 it happened. 0:21:44.205 --> 0:21:45.805 Of course it didn't work, but do I want to 0:21:45.805 --> 0:21:46.085 be there? 0:21:46.165 --> 0:21:50.725 No, not that person techno, but it happened, and I'm 0:21:50.805 --> 0:21:54.725 so grateful for the life experiences. 0:21:54.525 --> 0:21:56.365 Just everything about it. So I'm like, I don't want 0:21:56.365 --> 0:21:58.485 to forget that it happened. I'm actually glad it happened, 0:21:58.485 --> 0:22:00.605 whether it was good or bad. So I think that's 0:22:00.685 --> 0:22:02.565 kind of the concept around that song, and that's why 0:22:02.565 --> 0:22:03.565 I loved it so much. 0:22:04.125 --> 0:22:06.485 Yeah, that's a really brilliatable take. I think that idea 0:22:06.565 --> 0:22:08.525 of like you have looking back on your past paint 0:22:08.565 --> 0:22:11.125 and again that whole thing saying earlier of getting older 0:22:11.165 --> 0:22:12.885 and being able to look back on things with like 0:22:12.925 --> 0:22:15.045 I'm glad that happened, and now I can sort of 0:22:15.085 --> 0:22:17.045 think of it in a different light. It's really powerful. 0:22:17.245 --> 0:22:17.565 Yeah. 0:22:17.605 --> 0:22:20.805 I was reading that you were in the studio working 0:22:20.805 --> 0:22:23.285 on the album, and you had singles and you had music, 0:22:23.365 --> 0:22:24.965 and then you decided to put a little bit of 0:22:24.965 --> 0:22:28.165 a pause and kind of reconfigure a few things. Is 0:22:28.205 --> 0:22:30.445 that right, and sort of look at doing things a 0:22:30.445 --> 0:22:31.245 bit of a different way. 0:22:31.725 --> 0:22:32.005 Yeah. 0:22:32.245 --> 0:22:35.765 I think I was just like feeling the pressure a 0:22:35.805 --> 0:22:37.125 lot from everybody as well. 0:22:37.565 --> 0:22:40.285 And you come from a group, everyone has such expectations 0:22:40.285 --> 0:22:42.125 of you. You're not a new artist anymore. 0:22:42.645 --> 0:22:45.085 People already know who you are because you're quite established 0:22:45.085 --> 0:22:47.925 from a group. But then when you go solo, if 0:22:47.925 --> 0:22:50.605 you're not doing what people thought or wanted or walked 0:22:51.165 --> 0:22:52.925 you would do, it's almost. 0:22:52.605 --> 0:22:56.245 Like they're just shit all over. It's just like, ah, okay. 0:22:56.605 --> 0:22:59.485 So it's kind of stressful, and I think I just 0:22:59.565 --> 0:23:00.685 got to the point where I was like. 0:23:00.645 --> 0:23:03.925 Right, I don't feel like I'm being truly authentic to myself. 0:23:04.365 --> 0:23:07.045 I don't feel like, you know, I wasn't right in 0:23:07.085 --> 0:23:09.965 the material. It wasn't coming from me. It didn't feel 0:23:09.965 --> 0:23:12.885 that genuine. And I was thinking, no, wonder they think 0:23:12.965 --> 0:23:15.845 this week, because even I think it's much too much. 0:23:15.885 --> 0:23:18.725 I did, So I think I just kind of put 0:23:18.725 --> 0:23:20.285 the brakes on a little bit, had a little bit 0:23:20.285 --> 0:23:20.525 of a. 0:23:20.485 --> 0:23:23.525 Break, went back in the studio with a fresh head, 0:23:23.765 --> 0:23:27.565 took the pressure off, and just thought, right, I have 0:23:27.725 --> 0:23:31.565 what I think is my album can I can I 0:23:31.685 --> 0:23:35.205 do what I would rather do and see where I 0:23:35.325 --> 0:23:35.645 get to. 0:23:36.285 --> 0:23:38.045 And then I think as soon as I did that, there. 0:23:37.965 --> 0:23:41.165 Was just a huge shift in like my creative juices 0:23:41.205 --> 0:23:42.005 and everything like that. 0:23:42.045 --> 0:23:43.325 It just felt so much better. 0:23:43.645 --> 0:23:45.725 So I'm glad I did that because I'm glad I 0:23:45.725 --> 0:23:47.845 stuck to my guns and now my album is saw Me. 0:23:48.445 --> 0:23:53.605 It's so authentic. It's just like from my heart really, 0:23:53.685 --> 0:23:54.925 so I'm just I love it. 0:23:55.925 --> 0:23:57.845 Well, that's a That's a very admirable thing to do, 0:23:57.885 --> 0:24:00.685 because I can imagine that when that wheels in motion 0:24:00.925 --> 0:24:03.485 of making an album, there's so many different people involved, 0:24:03.485 --> 0:24:06.845 and you've been talking to different people about album releases 0:24:06.885 --> 0:24:09.005 and musicians and even people in your own life of 0:24:09.365 --> 0:24:12.645 what your schedule looks like. There would be the thought 0:24:12.685 --> 0:24:14.405 that I'll just push on and I'll keep going and 0:24:14.445 --> 0:24:16.445 I'll make it work. But to have the sort of 0:24:16.525 --> 0:24:18.605 strength to say this is it right, I'm going to 0:24:18.645 --> 0:24:21.365 stop and make it what the album I want it 0:24:21.405 --> 0:24:24.245 to be, I think is very admirable. Do you make 0:24:24.285 --> 0:24:26.605 those decisions by yourself or their people in your life 0:24:26.605 --> 0:24:29.365 where you crisis call and say, like I'm thinking of 0:24:29.405 --> 0:24:31.765 doing this, what do I do what's the kind of 0:24:32.085 --> 0:24:32.885 process around that. 0:24:33.445 --> 0:24:35.725 So I think, yeah, I think the hardest thing about 0:24:35.725 --> 0:24:38.685 being an artist is like the kind of voices and 0:24:38.725 --> 0:24:41.445 opinions around you twenty four to seven, from your team, 0:24:41.565 --> 0:24:46.125 your label, the higher powers, all these different things, and 0:24:46.205 --> 0:24:47.765 I think it can be really hard to kind of 0:24:47.805 --> 0:24:50.525 stay through to yourself because you can get easily led 0:24:50.965 --> 0:24:53.245 when everyone's saying this is great and this is it, 0:24:53.285 --> 0:24:54.845 but you don't feel like it in your gut. You 0:24:54.845 --> 0:24:57.405 can still be sweat. So I think in this industry, 0:24:57.645 --> 0:25:00.005 being like a solo arts especially, it's really hard to 0:25:00.045 --> 0:25:02.805 stay through to yourself. So I'm glad that I've got 0:25:02.845 --> 0:25:06.365 like people around me that I can go to and 0:25:06.405 --> 0:25:07.565 be like, I'm not feeling it. 0:25:07.605 --> 0:25:10.205 I don't feel good. Like my manager, she goes to 0:25:10.285 --> 0:25:13.685 war for me every day, bless her, and she'll have 0:25:13.805 --> 0:25:14.245 my back. 0:25:14.445 --> 0:25:16.365 And then I've got like my family and my mom, 0:25:16.445 --> 0:25:19.205 my partner lets, and I think they know what I 0:25:19.245 --> 0:25:21.525 want to do and what decisions are me so they 0:25:21.645 --> 0:25:24.805 just backed me and because then it's authentic anyway. Oh 0:25:24.925 --> 0:25:28.565 so like yeah, they're definitely the key people in my 0:25:28.605 --> 0:25:30.885 life luckily, because it is it is quite difficult. 0:25:30.925 --> 0:25:32.205 It's it's tough sometimes. 0:25:36.045 --> 0:25:39.205 After the break, Perry opens up about meeting Alex on 0:25:39.245 --> 0:25:42.805 a dating app and navigating long distance love, and how 0:25:42.845 --> 0:25:45.485 becoming a mom has changed her life for the better. 0:25:49.445 --> 0:25:51.045 I wanted to ask you about Alex, so thank you 0:25:51.045 --> 0:25:53.925 for bringing him up, because there's that lovely song you 0:25:53.965 --> 0:25:57.165 go your way about your relationship in those early days. 0:25:57.245 --> 0:25:59.245 Can you tell me a little bit about what it 0:25:59.285 --> 0:26:02.805 was like to meet him and how your love story started. 0:26:03.845 --> 0:26:06.325 Yeah, of course we met Onria. 0:26:06.805 --> 0:26:09.165 You know, yes, yes, I do. 0:26:09.885 --> 0:26:11.765 That was like the hot thing at the time. 0:26:11.925 --> 0:26:14.525 It was a hot thing that the waitless thro it 0:26:14.565 --> 0:26:17.245 across the world apparently have escalated to such an extent. 0:26:17.245 --> 0:26:19.365 There's millions of people trying to go on on, like 0:26:19.565 --> 0:26:21.965 celebrities trying to get on. There was a press release 0:26:22.005 --> 0:26:25.285 about it the other day and they're just at capacity. 0:26:25.405 --> 0:26:26.965 So I think you got it at a good time 0:26:27.165 --> 0:26:28.525 because now everyone wants on. 0:26:29.125 --> 0:26:30.005 Yeah, that's crazy. 0:26:30.125 --> 0:26:32.125 I feel like when I was on it, there wasn't 0:26:32.165 --> 0:26:34.525 that many people on there that was but it was 0:26:34.725 --> 0:26:36.645 like hundreds of thousands. 0:26:36.365 --> 0:26:37.765 Of people you could pick from it. It was a very 0:26:37.805 --> 0:26:40.445 shallow pool, but it was kind. 0:26:40.285 --> 0:26:43.685 Of good because it was like quite exclusive at the time, 0:26:43.765 --> 0:26:46.645 but this was ten years ago, so it's different now. 0:26:47.125 --> 0:26:48.045 But yeah, we. 0:26:47.965 --> 0:26:52.005 Met on there and then we started chatting and exchange 0:26:52.085 --> 0:26:55.485 numbers and then nothing really came about. And then I 0:26:55.525 --> 0:26:59.365 was like, I think I've seen them on the google Box, 0:27:00.445 --> 0:27:03.165 like the England scued the players were on goggle Box. 0:27:03.685 --> 0:27:05.525 I was, oh, my god, that's that guy that I 0:27:05.565 --> 0:27:08.045 was talking to Umbria. It seems really funny, really nice. 0:27:08.085 --> 0:27:11.245 It was really cute. And then Jesse made me message him, 0:27:11.325 --> 0:27:13.165 so I messaged him and I was like, Hi, when 0:27:13.285 --> 0:27:13.765 you take me. 0:27:13.805 --> 0:27:16.965 Off for a drink, that's a good opening line. That's 0:27:17.005 --> 0:27:19.925 a nice, casual but like exciting opening line, and it 0:27:19.925 --> 0:27:20.725 obviously worked. 0:27:21.085 --> 0:27:21.285 Yeah. 0:27:21.325 --> 0:27:23.045 Well, I was cringing at the time, but I was like, oh, 0:27:23.165 --> 0:27:25.885 I forgot to lose. I've been single for a little while, 0:27:25.925 --> 0:27:26.205 so I. 0:27:26.125 --> 0:27:27.165 Thought, yeah, I'll give it a go. 0:27:27.845 --> 0:27:30.245 And I dated a lot, but everybody just give me 0:27:30.285 --> 0:27:33.725 the egg and. 0:27:32.325 --> 0:27:34.285 Nobody was it like it was just annoying. 0:27:34.365 --> 0:27:36.765 I couldn't be bothered with anybody, to be honest, I 0:27:36.765 --> 0:27:38.325 think I was just like, right, I'd rather just be 0:27:38.405 --> 0:27:40.645 on my own. And then I met him and then 0:27:40.645 --> 0:27:43.205 I just thought, oh my god, he's perfect. He's everything 0:27:43.245 --> 0:27:45.885 that I was wanting to meet, and I think I 0:27:45.965 --> 0:27:48.165 needed somebody like him to come into my life to 0:27:48.885 --> 0:27:51.005 change my men especially, So I. 0:27:51.005 --> 0:27:54.645 Was like, yeah, this is great, he's lovely. Fancied him 0:27:54.645 --> 0:27:55.325 straight away. 0:27:55.925 --> 0:27:57.605 Oh what a beautiful love story. 0:27:57.765 --> 0:27:58.525 And then that was it. 0:27:58.565 --> 0:28:01.485 We were just like inpable ever since. So we went 0:28:01.525 --> 0:28:04.685 out a lot, met all each other's friends and everything 0:28:04.725 --> 0:28:06.645 like that. So yeah, it was great and it was 0:28:06.725 --> 0:28:08.125 just a gentleman. He was lovely. 0:28:08.765 --> 0:28:11.125 And your song go Your Way, I understand that's from 0:28:11.125 --> 0:28:14.125 the early days of your relationship. Is that correct when 0:28:15.085 --> 0:28:16.965 you had just met but you were going off on 0:28:17.005 --> 0:28:19.365 a tour and you sort of said to him you 0:28:19.405 --> 0:28:21.885 were thinking he needed a break and can he tat 0:28:21.925 --> 0:28:23.725 me through? Sort of like that moment and how it 0:28:24.005 --> 0:28:24.805 led to this song. 0:28:25.565 --> 0:28:28.805 Yeah, it was a bit random, So it was, you know, 0:28:28.845 --> 0:28:32.085 this was a Joy Anonymous song, and I love Joy Anonymous. 0:28:32.085 --> 0:28:35.005 I think he's the coolest guy and. 0:28:34.965 --> 0:28:37.445 I'm obsessed with him, and this song like kind of 0:28:37.445 --> 0:28:40.445 made me think back to a time when Alex and 0:28:40.485 --> 0:28:42.605 I first started dating, Like we were seeing each other, 0:28:42.645 --> 0:28:46.685 we really liked each other. You know, I was getting feelings, 0:28:46.725 --> 0:28:49.045 he was catching feelings, but neither of us had seen anything, 0:28:49.725 --> 0:28:52.845 and then I was born to America three months to 0:28:52.885 --> 0:28:53.085 do that. 0:28:53.125 --> 0:28:54.085 Are in a Grande tour? 0:28:54.205 --> 0:28:54.685 Oh wow? 0:28:55.205 --> 0:28:55.485 Yeah? 0:28:55.565 --> 0:28:58.045 And I just remember sitting him down after like a 0:28:58.125 --> 0:29:00.165 date one night, and I was like that, I'm going 0:29:00.245 --> 0:29:01.165 to be away for three months. 0:29:01.205 --> 0:29:03.645 I don't expect you to wait for me, So why 0:29:03.685 --> 0:29:06.445 don't we just go our separate ways for now. I'll 0:29:06.445 --> 0:29:08.165 do my own thing. You can do your thing, and 0:29:08.165 --> 0:29:10.205 if we're meant to be, then maybe after the twelve 0:29:10.205 --> 0:29:13.005 we'll kind of come back together. And he's like ooh, 0:29:13.125 --> 0:29:18.045 he was horrified question and he was like, that's gross. 0:29:18.085 --> 0:29:18.885 Why would we do that? 0:29:18.965 --> 0:29:20.365 And I'm like, because I'm going to be out of 0:29:20.405 --> 0:29:23.565 the country in America traveling for three months and we've 0:29:23.605 --> 0:29:26.005 just met, so like, and we were off quite young 0:29:26.045 --> 0:29:27.525 at the time. I just thought I don't want to 0:29:27.525 --> 0:29:30.205 put that pressure on him. And he was like absolutely not, 0:29:30.285 --> 0:29:31.845 like you're my girlfriend, I don't want to do that. 0:29:31.885 --> 0:29:34.565 And I was like, oh, is asking me. You're telling 0:29:34.605 --> 0:29:37.805 me I'm asking you you wouldn't be my girlfriend. 0:29:37.805 --> 0:29:41.125 So I thought we were like, I'm like, oh, okay 0:29:41.165 --> 0:29:44.685 then and then we just had to like based was it? 0:29:46.085 --> 0:29:50.925 But we just styped every day, messaged constantly, and then 0:29:50.965 --> 0:29:52.645 I think we came back for like one night to 0:29:52.645 --> 0:29:53.525 do the Bricks. 0:29:53.965 --> 0:29:57.525 We performed at the Brits, won an award, spent the night, 0:29:57.605 --> 0:29:58.845 and then went back to America. 0:29:58.925 --> 0:30:00.445 So I think I got to see him like once 0:30:00.485 --> 0:30:02.405 in that two and a half three months. 0:30:03.045 --> 0:30:06.285 But yeah, weird, that's. 0:30:06.125 --> 0:30:08.365 Really beautiful and also story ties him with your song 0:30:08.405 --> 0:30:11.165 if he wanted to, he will because he made it 0:30:11.245 --> 0:30:13.445 work the distance and there's so many of us out 0:30:13.445 --> 0:30:16.125 here who are just the bar is so low across 0:30:16.125 --> 0:30:18.045 the board, and so when you hear something like that 0:30:18.045 --> 0:30:21.165 that it's like true love and true commitment. That's really lovely. 0:30:21.965 --> 0:30:23.485 I think that my bar was so law. 0:30:23.525 --> 0:30:24.725 That's why I was like, do you want to just 0:30:24.765 --> 0:30:26.245 part ways? 0:30:26.045 --> 0:30:28.245 The fact that he was disgusted in that, I was like. 0:30:28.245 --> 0:30:31.285 Oh okay, what a green flag with me? 0:30:31.445 --> 0:30:33.525 And he's waiting for me and he's willing to do 0:30:33.565 --> 0:30:34.125 these things. 0:30:34.165 --> 0:30:36.245 So I think he just had a lot of maturity 0:30:36.285 --> 0:30:39.045 as well, you know, but you're right, if you wanted 0:30:39.085 --> 0:30:40.445 to be definitely words then he did. 0:30:40.565 --> 0:30:42.125 So Yeah, I think I think it's a wake up 0:30:42.125 --> 0:30:43.445 call a lot of people need. So thank you for 0:30:43.485 --> 0:30:45.765 that bit of a bit of tough love across the board. 0:30:46.365 --> 0:30:48.525 And so, as you said, you've been together for over 0:30:48.565 --> 0:30:51.165 ten years now and you welcomed your beautiful son a 0:30:51.165 --> 0:30:54.525 few years ago. How has been a mother changed the 0:30:54.525 --> 0:30:56.885 way you look at your career and your music and 0:30:56.925 --> 0:30:59.285 how has it shaped what you want to do going forward? 0:30:59.845 --> 0:31:06.925 Oh god, it's it's like impacted my life completely in 0:31:07.005 --> 0:31:08.405 the best way possible. Though. 0:31:08.445 --> 0:31:11.245 I think, like I say to all my friends that 0:31:11.365 --> 0:31:12.965 becoming a mom is like one of the best things 0:31:12.965 --> 0:31:13.445 in the world. 0:31:13.845 --> 0:31:16.765 Like I didn't grow up is the kind of bill 0:31:16.805 --> 0:31:18.405 that was. I want to get married and this is 0:31:18.445 --> 0:31:19.605 going to be my wedding. 0:31:19.405 --> 0:31:22.445 And plan all those things. But I knew growing up 0:31:22.485 --> 0:31:24.205 I wanted to be a man, and I wanted to 0:31:24.245 --> 0:31:26.565 have kids, and I wanted to like live vicariously through 0:31:26.605 --> 0:31:30.125 them and just have the magic of that. And I 0:31:30.165 --> 0:31:31.765 think have an Axle is everything that I. 0:31:31.685 --> 0:31:33.605 Would thought being a man would be. 0:31:33.725 --> 0:31:36.645 Like, he's just an absolute who. 0:31:36.885 --> 0:31:40.165 He's funnydic he like. 0:31:40.485 --> 0:31:42.325 Comes out with the funniest things, and I just love 0:31:42.405 --> 0:31:43.565 the innocence of children. 0:31:43.605 --> 0:31:46.805 I just think that. And he's just the best thing ever. 0:31:46.965 --> 0:31:48.045 So I just adore him. 0:31:48.125 --> 0:31:51.205 I think when you have you know, you have big 0:31:51.245 --> 0:31:54.685 things that impact your life drastically, but definitely becoming a 0:31:54.805 --> 0:31:58.725 parent changes your outlook on everything. Because I used to 0:31:58.805 --> 0:32:01.845 worry a lot about, you know how, what people thought 0:32:01.885 --> 0:32:02.805 of me or am. 0:32:02.725 --> 0:32:03.525 I doing enough? 0:32:03.645 --> 0:32:07.245 And I was very critical on myself. And then once 0:32:07.285 --> 0:32:10.645 I birthed a full on a human, I thought, why 0:32:10.685 --> 0:32:15.925 do I care the whole humans? Yeah, now I feel 0:32:15.965 --> 0:32:17.925 like a badass, and I feel like I just look 0:32:17.965 --> 0:32:20.685 at things completely different Now I don't swept the small stuff. 0:32:21.205 --> 0:32:24.005 Little things happen that would really annoy me, and now 0:32:24.005 --> 0:32:24.485 I'm just like. 0:32:24.485 --> 0:32:28.125 Oh, well, like, I think I've just definitely changed my 0:32:28.525 --> 0:32:30.965 perspective on things, but in the best way possible. 0:32:31.005 --> 0:32:33.765 I think it's made me a way about person that's a. 0:32:33.765 --> 0:32:35.725 Really beautiful way to look at it. Does he does? 0:32:36.405 --> 0:32:38.125 I know he's still very young, but is he the 0:32:38.165 --> 0:32:40.045 age now that he knows that his mum is sort 0:32:40.085 --> 0:32:42.205 of one of the most biggest musicians in the world, 0:32:42.325 --> 0:32:43.885 or like, what's his kind of reaction to that, or 0:32:43.925 --> 0:32:46.965 does he think everyone's mom sinks to stadiums and performs 0:32:46.965 --> 0:32:48.725 on TV and all those things. 0:32:48.885 --> 0:32:51.125 He doesn't really get it, but he did, like they 0:32:51.125 --> 0:32:53.525 did something at nursery like a few months ago. I've 0:32:53.525 --> 0:32:56.445 seen us in big school now. Didn't know it was saying, 0:32:56.445 --> 0:32:58.285 you know, tell us about your parents and what did. 0:32:58.125 --> 0:32:59.645 They do and what do you want to be when 0:32:59.645 --> 0:33:01.885 you grow up? And he was like, well, my dad 0:33:01.885 --> 0:33:05.005 has a footballer, and I think my mom like dancers. 0:33:05.565 --> 0:33:09.165 I mean not wrong, is this quite great? 0:33:09.445 --> 0:33:11.485 Oh my god, two step or two? 0:33:11.525 --> 0:33:14.165 But I'm a singer, darl and I'm like, mummy's the singer, remember, 0:33:14.485 --> 0:33:17.205 And he's like, oh yeah. He just doesn't really get it, 0:33:17.245 --> 0:33:19.765 to be honest, he doesn't fully connect the dots. 0:33:19.765 --> 0:33:21.765 And if we're out in public and people want pictures 0:33:21.765 --> 0:33:24.245 and stuff, he's a bit like what are you doing? 0:33:24.285 --> 0:33:26.805 And then he wants to be in the So I 0:33:26.845 --> 0:33:29.085 think he's very young at the moment. He doesn't fully 0:33:29.165 --> 0:33:31.885 understand it. Yeah yeah, I don't know what age that 0:33:31.925 --> 0:33:33.805 will become a thing. I don't know, maybe like. 0:33:34.485 --> 0:33:36.525 Well, yeah, I'm not sure. I guess. Also when a 0:33:36.565 --> 0:33:39.325 new baby arrives and he also gets to sort of 0:33:40.205 --> 0:33:42.245 see you be in full more Moon for like album 0:33:42.285 --> 0:33:45.365 release mode and what do you I mean that's a lot. 0:33:45.405 --> 0:33:46.845 I can't believe one human being is going to do 0:33:46.885 --> 0:33:48.965 all that, But what do those next few months look 0:33:49.045 --> 0:33:51.685 like for you? As I said, You're expecting a baby, 0:33:51.725 --> 0:33:55.205 which is very very exciting, and you're a touring about 0:33:55.205 --> 0:33:57.405 to release this new album and then you've got a 0:33:57.405 --> 0:34:00.525 baby a son to look after at home. How does that? 0:34:01.165 --> 0:34:02.885 How is that schedule going to work? Not to stress 0:34:02.885 --> 0:34:05.005 you out on this call, I know I'm. 0:34:04.845 --> 0:34:07.325 Thinking, Oh my John, I'm going to bring my managea. 0:34:08.525 --> 0:34:09.525 You can do what I think, thank you. 0:34:10.085 --> 0:34:12.165 Yeah, well I've been doing it the last few months 0:34:12.165 --> 0:34:14.165 and I think I've handled it quite well. 0:34:15.045 --> 0:34:17.165 Obviously, act was back in school now, which is great, 0:34:17.205 --> 0:34:19.245 so it just means I've got more time to do 0:34:19.405 --> 0:34:19.885 my stuff. 0:34:20.365 --> 0:34:22.285 My mum is always with me, so. 0:34:22.405 --> 0:34:26.125 She's basically my village in Alex's home now, so that's 0:34:26.205 --> 0:34:29.765 making things easier again. So I think like I'm definitely 0:34:30.605 --> 0:34:33.965 You know, my album has been my dream for years 0:34:33.965 --> 0:34:36.565 and it's what I've wanted, and I've worked so hard 0:34:36.605 --> 0:34:40.645 and bought so much, and I had to go through 0:34:40.645 --> 0:34:43.645 so many fricking obstacles that you wouldn't believe to get 0:34:43.645 --> 0:34:46.285 this album to go ahead. So now that it's finally happening, 0:34:46.325 --> 0:34:48.005 I just want to be able to do my everything 0:34:48.045 --> 0:34:49.245 and do as much as I can. 0:34:49.965 --> 0:34:52.165 But I think it's all about balance and like, again, 0:34:52.245 --> 0:34:54.285 my manager's really good at doing that kind of thing. 0:34:54.325 --> 0:34:56.685 And you know when people are like, why isn't she 0:34:56.765 --> 0:34:58.365 doing this, why isn't she doing that? Probaly because I 0:34:58.405 --> 0:34:58.845 don't want to. 0:35:00.685 --> 0:35:02.965 I can't physically do it. I have so much in 0:35:03.005 --> 0:35:05.965 my schedule and we have to prioritize everything. And it's 0:35:05.965 --> 0:35:08.325 not as straightforward as just right, You're going to do this, this, this, 0:35:08.485 --> 0:35:10.885 and that's the plan. We've got to plan everything ahead, 0:35:10.885 --> 0:35:12.965 we've got to schedule everything, we've got to make sure 0:35:13.325 --> 0:35:17.405 I have time to get myself together, and there's a 0:35:17.405 --> 0:35:17.965 lot to do. 0:35:18.005 --> 0:35:20.125 But at the same time, it's so exciting that I'm 0:35:20.165 --> 0:35:22.925 just like, I'm so ready for it. Yeah, and then 0:35:23.605 --> 0:35:25.405 just before Christmas as well, so it's great so I 0:35:25.405 --> 0:35:29.525 could work, work, work book, yes, and enjoy Christmas. 0:35:30.725 --> 0:35:32.885 And what is it like being on I guess this 0:35:33.005 --> 0:35:35.085 press tour for the album and also knowing that once 0:35:35.125 --> 0:35:37.365 it comes out, there's going to be all these I 0:35:37.365 --> 0:35:40.205 guess people like reading into different lyrics or people playing it. 0:35:40.285 --> 0:35:42.765 And you've been in the public eye for such a 0:35:42.805 --> 0:35:45.445 long time, do you get excited when you're leading up 0:35:45.445 --> 0:35:47.725 to these periods where you know that people are gonna 0:35:47.765 --> 0:35:49.645 be talking about you even more, or is there like 0:35:49.725 --> 0:35:52.925 a little bit of anxiety of being in the public 0:35:52.965 --> 0:35:55.405 face a little bit more during this time, Like how 0:35:55.405 --> 0:35:57.485 do you balance that side of it? 0:35:58.405 --> 0:36:02.005 I think I'm more just excited, and I think I'm 0:36:02.005 --> 0:36:03.885 more just like at the stage. 0:36:03.565 --> 0:36:07.885 Where I just want my album out so and I 0:36:08.125 --> 0:36:11.005 love it so much. Yeah, and I'm so proud of it, 0:36:11.405 --> 0:36:13.565 and I feel like it's everything I wanted it to be. 0:36:14.205 --> 0:36:15.965 So now all I can do is really soon if 0:36:15.965 --> 0:36:17.965 people like it, they like it. If they don't, they don't, 0:36:17.965 --> 0:36:20.245 that's out of my control. So I think the parts 0:36:20.245 --> 0:36:23.485 that I can control, I've done. Now. I've done my best, 0:36:23.845 --> 0:36:26.565 I've worked my hardest, I've done everything to the top 0:36:26.645 --> 0:36:29.685 standard I possibly could. And now it's just done to 0:36:30.365 --> 0:36:32.885 the public and how they perceived it and how it does. 0:36:32.965 --> 0:36:35.565 But I think because I feel so confident in it, 0:36:35.845 --> 0:36:38.765 I'm just happy as long as. 0:36:38.685 --> 0:36:41.565 My fans hear it and they love it. Yeah, very 0:36:41.605 --> 0:36:42.125 care about. 0:36:42.445 --> 0:36:44.285 Yeah, that's a really beautiful way to look at it. 0:36:44.325 --> 0:36:46.005 I guess like that's with any piece of art, whether 0:36:46.005 --> 0:36:48.085 it's an album or movie, a book, anything. Once you 0:36:48.085 --> 0:36:49.805 put out into the world, it becomes the property of 0:36:49.805 --> 0:36:51.925 the fans and the people to consume it in the 0:36:51.965 --> 0:36:54.805 way they want to sort of take that. So that's 0:36:54.805 --> 0:36:57.245 a really lovely way to look at it. Speaking of that, 0:36:57.325 --> 0:36:59.085 like living in the public eye and the press too, 0:36:59.165 --> 0:37:02.565 are recently you've talked about like a few different personal things, 0:37:02.605 --> 0:37:05.245 and in the lead up to sharing your pregnancy, talked 0:37:05.245 --> 0:37:09.085 a little bit about suffering pregnancy loss, which I'm very 0:37:09.125 --> 0:37:11.085 so sorry to hear that, and I hope you and 0:37:11.165 --> 0:37:14.125 your family are doing okay. But what I noticed after 0:37:14.165 --> 0:37:17.405 those stories you talked about those stories publicly is just 0:37:17.885 --> 0:37:21.045 the threads of comments underneath from women saying thank you 0:37:21.085 --> 0:37:23.845 for sharing. I've been through this, I'm going through it now. 0:37:24.845 --> 0:37:27.805 Was it a difficult decision to make those private parts 0:37:27.805 --> 0:37:30.325 of your life public? And do you see that outpouring 0:37:30.365 --> 0:37:32.805 from women thanking you for doing it. 0:37:33.645 --> 0:37:38.205 I never intentionally wanted to go public with that. 0:37:38.845 --> 0:37:41.245 I think you know. It happened a few years ago 0:37:41.285 --> 0:37:44.805 and we've kind of kept it as a in our circle. 0:37:44.885 --> 0:37:47.605 So I'm my best friend to my family obviously, Alex 0:37:47.645 --> 0:37:50.165 and I and then I did the podcast with Paul, 0:37:50.205 --> 0:37:51.085 and I think because you. 0:37:51.085 --> 0:37:55.445 Were so like safe and calming, and it's almost like 0:37:55.445 --> 0:37:59.605 a therapy session. But I don't think I was really 0:37:59.685 --> 0:38:02.285 thinking of it like this is the time to go public. 0:38:03.165 --> 0:38:06.045 Just came out. It felt like a natural kind of 0:38:06.125 --> 0:38:07.045 way to do it. 0:38:08.285 --> 0:38:10.405 But I didn't think I would have discussed things like that, 0:38:10.525 --> 0:38:12.485 not because I didn't want to raise awareness for it, 0:38:12.525 --> 0:38:15.725 and not because you know, I know so many people 0:38:15.765 --> 0:38:18.965 have gone through it, like women and friends of mine, 0:38:19.205 --> 0:38:19.925 and it's really hard. 0:38:19.925 --> 0:38:21.485 But the only reason I didn't want to discuss it. 0:38:21.525 --> 0:38:24.485 Is because I found it too difficult to discuss. 0:38:24.925 --> 0:38:27.925 So I thought, I'm just never gonna talk about it. 0:38:27.965 --> 0:38:30.045 I'm just going to keep it in and that be 0:38:30.085 --> 0:38:32.405 that because it's really hard. It's awful. 0:38:32.725 --> 0:38:36.245 So yes, what I did again, I was very sorry 0:38:36.285 --> 0:38:38.725 to hear that, and I can only imagine that going 0:38:38.725 --> 0:38:41.165 through the pain but then also having that threat of 0:38:41.165 --> 0:38:43.365 like the public potentially finding out. I think it's really 0:38:43.405 --> 0:38:45.485 lovely as you were saying that you're in a circle 0:38:45.605 --> 0:38:48.205 new but a word of it was never breathed to 0:38:48.245 --> 0:38:49.885 the public, So it must be nice to know that 0:38:49.885 --> 0:38:51.685 you've always got that in a circle around you who 0:38:51.685 --> 0:38:54.525 will hold tight to any of those stories. 0:38:55.085 --> 0:38:58.405 They are the best, Like nothing gets out of my circle. 0:38:59.045 --> 0:39:02.485 They're very strong to take that to the grove. 0:39:02.765 --> 0:39:04.285 That is good today because I mean, there are many 0:39:04.365 --> 0:39:06.765 celebrities who say they still I mean Pete davidsone was 0:39:06.805 --> 0:39:09.245 saying the other day, and I've heard other celebrities say it. 0:39:09.445 --> 0:39:12.685 They have to sometimes even now, like plant different stories 0:39:12.685 --> 0:39:14.965 within their friendship groups to see who will leak it 0:39:15.005 --> 0:39:16.485 and all that sort of thing. So I think that's 0:39:16.525 --> 0:39:18.565 really lovely to not be on that. 0:39:18.605 --> 0:39:21.805 Oh now, there's none of that for me. Everybody just 0:39:21.925 --> 0:39:25.365 kind of knows. In my inner circle they know everything. 0:39:25.725 --> 0:39:29.885 So luckily I don't have that issue. And yeah, someone 0:39:29.885 --> 0:39:31.565 couldn't be trusted, I wouldn't tell them anything. 0:39:32.005 --> 0:39:35.565 So but that is a lovely way to go through life. 0:39:35.765 --> 0:39:38.845 And So, in anticipation of the album about to come out, 0:39:38.885 --> 0:39:40.885 we've heard some of the singles. A lot of them 0:39:40.925 --> 0:39:43.925 will be under wraps until it's released. What are you 0:39:44.005 --> 0:39:47.765 hoping that people take away from this album? I know 0:39:47.765 --> 0:39:49.605 we've talked through this sort of behind the scenes of 0:39:49.605 --> 0:39:51.845 a few different songs, but what is the kind of 0:39:51.885 --> 0:39:54.045 I guess journey that your hope listeners will go on 0:39:54.085 --> 0:39:55.845 when they sit down and listen to all the songs 0:39:55.885 --> 0:39:56.605 all the way through. 0:39:56.845 --> 0:40:00.925 I'm just in true to say what ones people love them, what. 0:40:01.005 --> 0:40:04.685 People like click with because it's a whole body of 0:40:04.725 --> 0:40:07.685 work and everyone's going to have different opinions. 0:40:07.885 --> 0:40:10.845 So I'm just so intrigued to say what everyone's going 0:40:10.885 --> 0:40:12.125 to think, and like. 0:40:12.045 --> 0:40:14.485 I say, I love it so much, so I'm expecting 0:40:14.565 --> 0:40:17.965 everyone else to be like, yeah, it's a great album, 0:40:18.365 --> 0:40:21.005 but yeah, I think I'm just excited to get it 0:40:21.005 --> 0:40:22.765 out there so I can start having the conversations with 0:40:22.845 --> 0:40:25.645 the fans and DM in them and just getting to 0:40:25.645 --> 0:40:27.725 know the insights of what they think of the thing 0:40:27.765 --> 0:40:28.725 that's the most exciting. 0:40:28.925 --> 0:40:32.285 I think, Oh, you DM with fans, oh yeah all 0:40:32.285 --> 0:40:34.885 the time. Yeah, oh wow. I mean someone with such 0:40:34.885 --> 0:40:36.925 a big following, I would find that surprising that you 0:40:37.005 --> 0:40:38.645 do you ever delve in there and just think, Oh God, 0:40:38.685 --> 0:40:39.965 I don't know what I'm going to find in my 0:40:39.965 --> 0:40:43.085 messages or is it usually pretty pretty just like what 0:40:43.125 --> 0:40:44.485 people wanting to discuss the music. 0:40:45.325 --> 0:40:47.525 Yeah, I think it's like May the fans we talk 0:40:47.525 --> 0:40:49.045 about all kinds of stuff we talk about, like the 0:40:49.045 --> 0:40:53.405 summert and prey. 0:40:51.725 --> 0:40:55.085 Wait, which teamy. I need to know Jim Conrad, what 0:40:55.125 --> 0:40:57.365 are you? Yes, no, I am team comrade, But I 0:40:57.365 --> 0:40:59.485 feel sad for Jeremiah. I actually think that she just 0:40:59.525 --> 0:41:02.005 needs to go live in Paris and just not go 0:41:02.125 --> 0:41:04.725 near those boys again because it's been a bit of 0:41:04.725 --> 0:41:05.565 a messy situation. 0:41:05.765 --> 0:41:07.965 I don't want to choose herself. That's cute and all, 0:41:08.005 --> 0:41:09.205 but no, not now. 0:41:09.965 --> 0:41:12.925 I want Connie and Belly to have forever after because 0:41:13.085 --> 0:41:13.805 they've they've. 0:41:13.605 --> 0:41:17.245 Always been day ones. But anyway, me, the fans get 0:41:17.245 --> 0:41:19.805 into this constantly. We talk about all kinds of stuff. 0:41:20.125 --> 0:41:22.005 But yeah, I always talk to my fans as much 0:41:22.005 --> 0:41:23.725 as possible. Really, they're just so lovely. 0:41:23.845 --> 0:41:26.925 So yeah, and that's the thing with social media you 0:41:26.965 --> 0:41:28.725 can kind of have that platform. 0:41:29.125 --> 0:41:31.485 We feel close to them. But yeah, we chat about 0:41:31.485 --> 0:41:32.245 all kinds of crap. 0:41:32.525 --> 0:41:34.405 Oh that's really well. I mean, I'm sure for many 0:41:34.405 --> 0:41:37.125 people that's exciting for them. And having those real life 0:41:37.165 --> 0:41:39.885 fan interactions, like, has there been a particularly memorable one? 0:41:39.885 --> 0:41:41.765 Because I know there's so many times where as we 0:41:41.765 --> 0:41:44.165 were saying before, I've seen fans cry in front of 0:41:44.245 --> 0:41:47.445 you or get very excited. What's your most memorable fan interaction? 0:41:47.805 --> 0:41:50.685 Oh gosh, I couldn't say, there's just been so many. 0:41:50.965 --> 0:41:53.205 I don't think it's very rare I've ever had like 0:41:53.245 --> 0:41:54.525 a bad interaction with anyone. 0:41:54.925 --> 0:41:57.685 Oh well, that is lovely, Perry. It has just been 0:41:57.765 --> 0:42:00.045 so glorious to talk to you. And I've listened to 0:42:00.045 --> 0:42:02.205 the album all the way through. It's just really lovely 0:42:02.285 --> 0:42:04.365 from the songs they've sent me, and I'm so excited 0:42:04.405 --> 0:42:06.565 for everyone else to hear it. And yeah, it's just 0:42:06.605 --> 0:42:08.485 always such a joy to watch you on stage and 0:42:08.485 --> 0:42:11.045 a joy to talk to you. Thank you so much 0:42:11.085 --> 0:42:12.565 for your time, so much. 0:42:12.725 --> 0:42:13.845 Enjoy the rest of your day. 0:42:18.045 --> 0:42:21.365 That was Perry Edwards. And what a journey she's been on. 0:42:21.725 --> 0:42:26.045 From girl group success to solo artists, from heartbreak to motherhood, 0:42:26.485 --> 0:42:30.325 from stadium tours to quiet moments at home. Perry has 0:42:30.365 --> 0:42:33.925 lived so many lives already, whether it's through the music 0:42:33.965 --> 0:42:37.645 she's making, the family she's building, all the voice she's 0:42:37.685 --> 0:42:41.325 still learning to trust. Perry is stepping into something that 0:42:41.365 --> 0:42:46.605 feels braver and more personal than ever before. She's honest, grounded, 0:42:46.725 --> 0:42:49.885 and now finally she's starting a new chapter on her 0:42:49.925 --> 0:42:54.045 own terms. And one thing's clear, Perry Edwards is just 0:42:54.125 --> 0:42:58.285 getting started the Executive producer of No Filter is Naeima 0:42:58.365 --> 0:43:02.205 Brown and senior producer is Tina Madlof Audio production by 0:43:02.325 --> 0:43:06.285 Jacob Brown and video editing by Josh Green. I'm Laura Brodnick. 0:43:06.525 --> 0:43:08.285 Thank you for listening to No Filter.