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Speaker 1: Hi, it's Anal's Todd here from This Glorious Mess, introducing

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Speaker 1: Hot Pod Summer, one hundred hours of curated listening across

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Speaker 1: the Mummamere network, just for you to escape the chaos

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Speaker 1: and enjoy with the kids at home and the weather

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Speaker 1: warming up. We've got episodes of Parents Anonymous to share.

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Speaker 1: Parents Anonymous is part game show, part church confessional. You

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Speaker 1: share your deepest parenting shame, and myself and Stacey Hicks

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Speaker 1: rate you, but the worst parenting wins the most points,

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Speaker 1: so really you can't lose. And if you want more,

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Speaker 1: there's a link in the show Enjoy Parents Anonymous. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to This Glorious Mess. I'm Annealie Todd, single parent, self

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Speaker 1: confessed hot mess and happily learning on the job that

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Speaker 1: is parenting.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Stacy Hicks. I'm the deputy editor at Mumma Mia,

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Speaker 3: and I'm much more alive and much less filled. It's

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Speaker 3: not than I was last time.

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Speaker 1: So it's looking good, which selfishly, I am very grateful.

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Speaker 3: I'm so sorry for putting you through that. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: putting up with me. This is our favorite time of

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Speaker 3: week where you let out all of your parenting confessions

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Speaker 3: in our very silly version of group therapy.

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Speaker 1: This is Parents Anonymous, where you share your story and

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Speaker 1: get the guilt off your chest. And it's just a

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Speaker 1: way to release the shame and the guilt. And I've

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Speaker 1: got some shame and guilt to release for you, sweet Stacy.

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Speaker 1: And then we give you points based on our very

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Speaker 1: serious and very scientific grading system, which is.

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Speaker 3: Really not scientific at all. We just grade you how

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Speaker 3: we're feeling at the time.

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Speaker 1: It's a vibe check and we're all in this together.

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Speaker 3: So first off, every episode we confess something that we've done,

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Speaker 3: just to make sure it's a safe space. We're not

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Speaker 3: sitting up on our high horse. No, So what's yours

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Speaker 3: this week?

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Speaker 1: It's dangerous not giving single parents a good name.

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Speaker 3: Oh and I am.

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Speaker 1: And it's just it's like, oh, that single mum's house,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's giving that so I had some friends over,

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Speaker 1: and the children had their friends over. And I have

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Speaker 1: a little rooftop, little private, very chic, very secret life

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Speaker 1: of us rooftop nice for some, I know, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, tiny townhouse, but the rooftop is the selling point.

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Speaker 1: And so the children were on the rooftop and this

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Speaker 1: working on the ground level, and one of the children

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Speaker 1: I had to actually send a little group chat message

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Speaker 1: I blame YouTube game show giving jackass. That's what it's

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Speaker 1: that are not myself. It's fine, but I did endanger

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Speaker 3: Well, my little confession this week look not one of

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Speaker 1: You mean, my sustenance at that time.

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Speaker 3: I did. I did. I was not prepared to be

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Speaker 1: Compared to me and endangering the lives of minus yours

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Speaker 1: and as you can hear, we express ours. Sometimes they're

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Speaker 1: the show notes for all your confession options, and on

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Speaker 1: today's show, the three new confessions that we have not

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Speaker 1: heard yed are called Babies, home Improvement Right, Actual Emergency Services, requiet,

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Speaker 1: Oh this is new, and home Alone. I do love

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Speaker 3: My son has just started what feels like a deep

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Speaker 3: obsession with the inside of cupboards. He calls to anything

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Speaker 3: I thought this stuff would happen, and feel completely underprepared,

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Speaker 3: and also like a parent who has not childproofed anything,

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Speaker 3: So I got a handyman to install a bunch of

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Speaker 3: child safety devices on cupboards, doors, and drawers. They are

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Speaker 1: It is one of the most annoying phases one hundred

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Speaker 1: I had one cupboard that was all just plastic tupperware

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Speaker 3: That was one of our activities that got us through,

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Speaker 3: saving exercise for you. The fact that you can't get

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Speaker 3: long run. Couse, he lives times. Just entertain them with a.

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Speaker 1: Little any weight or two, it's fine. I'd like to

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Speaker 1: there's like no access to harmful chemicals or steak knives,

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Speaker 1: it's fine, So what are we rating this one? Then

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Speaker 1: it's very mild, it's very inoffensive. I think points come

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Speaker 3: Look, that part's embarrassing. I'm not gonna lie to it is.

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Speaker 3: But you're among friends. I do this too.

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Speaker 1: That was that was an unnecessary outsourced cost. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I ended up just doing a big old baby gate

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Speaker 3: that was so ugly, but a retractable one though, that

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Speaker 1: Our trip over every time that you walked in and out.

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Speaker 3: I'm a very tall person and stepped over at one

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Speaker 3: So I'm giving you eight baby gates out of ten.

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Speaker 1: we got actual emergency services required? I am the worst

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Speaker 3: To jaywalk too. But we're all doing it.

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Speaker 1: We're not recommending that you leave baby vocating animals, you

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Speaker 1: Why is a four month awake for twelve hours a day.

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Speaker 1: They should be I've just been a while, but their

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Speaker 3: Well maybe that's because you had babies that slept, But

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Speaker 1: The baby sounds very resilient, very advanced.

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Speaker 3: The baby doesn't care, thinks that you and him are

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Speaker 1: And they needed me all the time. So this is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great, It's a win. This kid will be

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Speaker 1: Fine, they'll be successful in life, they'll be good at relationships,

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Speaker 3: As long as you're not popping out to the nail

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Speaker 1: Or the little monitor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fine, so fine, Yeah fine, So what are

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Speaker 1: There's a saying, and it's no good parent ever has

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Speaker 1: wondered if they're a bad parent? Yes? Is that? Did

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Speaker 3: Wait? Wait, no, that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Wait there's a say, it's a really good me.

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Speaker 3: If you were a good parent, you would ask yourself

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Speaker 1: A bad parent doesn't care.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we've nailed it, but you get.

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Speaker 3: If you're worrying about whether you're a good enough parent,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what are we giving to this one?

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Speaker 1: My awarding system this week has been for the worst person,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is absolutely fine. And I don't think that

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Speaker 3: Just leave them on that little playmate, they'll be happy

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Speaker 3: as larry. So I'll give you six playmates out of ten?

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Speaker 1: Are we declaring the winner this week?

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Speaker 3: So first we had the baby with the failed baby proofing.

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Speaker 1: I love the chaos of that, I really do. And

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Speaker 1: but today is illegal, Stacey. So I feel like because

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Speaker 1: obvious clip. You well done, to you, well done. We

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Speaker 3: If you've got a confession, we'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: Please send us your secret shame. All the details are

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