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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on out louders.

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Speaker 1: Before we start the show today, we just wanted to

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Speaker 1: you if you are affected by the devastating floods in

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Speaker 1: by the floods. There are many out louders in those

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Speaker 1: some of the thousands of volunteers that have been saving

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Speaker 1: lives and properties and doing incredible work. So we just

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Speaker 3: There is a whole conversation going on about sleepovers. The

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Speaker 3: new anxiety around sleepovers is very much about control.

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Speaker 4: There's this dual tension right that our kids are spending

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Speaker 4: too much time on screens and not enough time with

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Speaker 4: their friends, but also this very real fear about the

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Speaker 4: risks that the world offers up.

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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to Mama Mia out Loud and to

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Speaker 3: our Friday show where we talk about nothing to do

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Speaker 3: with the news cycle at all.

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Speaker 5: Today. It's Friday, the twenty third of May, and my

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Speaker 5: name is Hollywayne.

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Speaker 4: Right, I'm Jesse Stevens and I'm.

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Speaker 2: And Burnham filling in for mea today we are back

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Speaker 2: to regular programming.

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Speaker 4: How we all feeling We have just finished up the

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Speaker 4: tour last night in Melbourne? What an absolute joy? Does

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Speaker 3: Yes, a very happy, saated heap Melbourne. You were wild.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for finishing us off so well. We are

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Speaker 3: still recording from all different corners. If we sound a

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Speaker 3: bit weird, but my god, this tour has been a blast, right,

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Speaker 3: It's been so much fun.

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Speaker 4: I'm horrified by how often on this tour we've said

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Speaker 4: this must be how Taylor Swift feels so much like Oh,

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Speaker 4: it's just like after the Ears tour, like you just

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Speaker 4: take the energy of an audience. Look, it's not quite it,

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Speaker 4: but we are a lot of solidarity with Taylor today.

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Speaker 3: Anyone who saw the show, and I know many out

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Speaker 3: louders listening were not able to come, so we won't

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Speaker 3: go on and on, but anyone who saw the show

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Speaker 3: knows that the comparisons to Taylor Swift fastly and appropriate.

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Speaker 3: It's very generous to us to costume changes anyway. On

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Speaker 3: today's show, the sleepover is officially dead. What is lost

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Speaker 3: by everyone staying home in their own beds? Thank you

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Speaker 3: very much. Also, our recommendations include a tinly Flashblack, an

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Speaker 3: unput doubtable mystery, and Bleeding for a Cause. And our

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Speaker 3: best and Worst of the week includes you lot out, Louders,

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Speaker 3: routine fails, and some very talented people.

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Speaker 5: But first, Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 4: In case you missed it, here's what your messy, disgusting

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Speaker 4: desk says about you, or rather me, whose desk is

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Speaker 4: a health hazard? In an article published in the Age

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Speaker 4: by Kathy Bussowitz, if you's a psychiatrist and a medical

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Speaker 4: director named Marietta Vanderberg, who says clutter is actually just

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Speaker 4: a postponed decision or action. It's things we pick up

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Speaker 4: that piece of paper on your desk or that book.

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Speaker 4: Now this blew my mind because that identifies precisely what

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Speaker 4: my problem is. I'm struggling to make decisions.

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Speaker 5: She said that.

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Speaker 4: Deliveries actually make this hard up because a lot of

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Speaker 4: people have opened or not even yet opened packages on

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Speaker 4: their desk, even she was saying, you can't find your pens,

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Speaker 4: so you just buy more pens. And then there are

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Speaker 4: things like a bill or a fine, which represents a

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Speaker 4: task that you can't get around to yet. Researchers have

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Speaker 4: found messy desks contribute to our stress hormones and even

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Speaker 4: cause us to get less sleep. What's weird is that

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Speaker 4: I feel like I'm tidy in most other instances, but

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Speaker 4: I have never been able to keep a clean desk. Holly,

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Speaker 4: is it a Sagittarius thing? Because I know you're exactly

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Speaker 5: I am exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: I think there's different kinds of clutter, because that's really true,

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Speaker 5: I'm getting to that.

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Speaker 4: What you're meant to do is factor in like five

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Speaker 2: I am, and I feel like my mom and mia

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Speaker 2: how I keep my desk tidy. With that being said, though,

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Speaker 2: I like to have a tiny bit of clutter because

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Speaker 2: Things on my desk and I have, like my laptop

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Speaker 3: Go there's some mess that's deliberate because I don't have

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Speaker 3: But at home, my desk is almost deliberately cluttered because

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Speaker 3: I have like things I like to squirt on my face.

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Speaker 3: I had like it's a deliberate clutter. It's not meant

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Speaker 5: Be a so it's like organized mess. Yeah, but then

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Speaker 4: It's also a status symbol because I remember watching a

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Speaker 3: But this leads me to another very strong opinion about clutter.

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Speaker 3: So I saw on socials recently that Christianna, Mama Ja

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Speaker 5: Right, she made a point about messy cars. Listen to this.

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Speaker 5: This is what she said.

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Speaker 6: They said, what advice do you have for these young girls?

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Speaker 6: And I said, keep your car clean? And they were

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Speaker 6: Was legal if I was interviewing somebody, to have somebody sneak.

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Speaker 7: it just kind of represents organizational skills and discipline and

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Speaker 7: just the way that you feel about yourself. How do

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Speaker 3: What do we think about that? What do we think

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's about representing the state of

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Speaker 2: I don't mind people having messy cars if they're the

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Speaker 2: And you have like McDonald's like on the steed and

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Speaker 5: No em, have I ever given you a lift anywhere?

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Speaker 3: Because the first thing I do when anyone gets into

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Speaker 2: Yessee they apologizing, And then like you have to run

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Speaker 5: It into the boot.

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Speaker 2: It's chaos.

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Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, well, you wanted a fucking lift. This

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Speaker 4: little bit late, orbe even later. I will barely make

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Speaker 4: The rest of us are carting around kids, and my

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Speaker 2: It's like it's the baby seat as well, it's the

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Speaker 2: baby because Jesse, if you were to offer me a lift,

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Speaker 2: your baby seat like digging into my ribcake. Well, you

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Speaker 4: Room exactly, and I'd be like, sorry about the yoga

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest. As someone who drives a lot, I

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Speaker 5: My car is disgusting.

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Speaker 3: But I find this interesting about the idea of what

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Speaker 3: you make an assumption about them. I find that really

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Speaker 3: interesting because of course Chris Jenna doesn't clean her own

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Speaker 3: a job, like, are they prioritizing a clean car. Are

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Speaker 5: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like to her, that probably means something. And I wonder

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Speaker 3: if there's anything else in life that's like that. Like

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Speaker 3: you can tell a lot about someone from their coffee order,

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Speaker 3: whether they lunch at their desk.

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Speaker 4: Or if they make their bed before they go to work.

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Speaker 4: I think that indicates something. But I reckon that cars

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Speaker 4: are a deeply personal private space. Find Chris Jenna. I

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Speaker 4: won't be offering you a lift.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say that, did you stay over at other

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Speaker 2: Occasionally, mainly my cousins, but sometimes my friends.

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Speaker 5: And what do you think?

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Speaker 2: It's really hard because I feel so bad for kids

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Speaker 2: I remember, like I don't remember much from my primary

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because your point about what you just said.

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Speaker 5: Is if you don't have.

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Speaker 3: that things, that means you are now granting yourselves no

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Speaker 5: Like there's a whole lot of.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's this dual tension, right that our kids

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also have a question on if something

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is the most common scenario in the world, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: And they were just like swigging, I want to say,

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Speaker 3: Confused, just like every bit of parenting. One of the

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Speaker 2: Your sleepovers are much cooler.

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Speaker 3: I'll talk more about my daughter's sleepovers because my son

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Speaker 3: but I allow them, and I allow them at my house.

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Speaker 3: But I'd have my own rules, which I think every

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Speaker 3: we're having pizza for dinner, we're having pizza for dinner. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: dietaries not exclusives.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I could never do the like, I

436
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Speaker 2: don't know, aren't you just like?

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Speaker 5: What if they hate me? I don't care. And I'm

438
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Speaker 5: not very particularly strict.

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Speaker 3: But the thing that I always do because when I

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Speaker 3: was my daughter's age, I was a naughty teenager and

441
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Speaker 3: I lied about where I was staying the night nearly always.

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Speaker 3: So my number one thing is I always check. I

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Speaker 3: have to have the parent's phone number, and I obviously

444
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Speaker 3: when she was little, I had to know them and

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Speaker 3: all that but she's older. Now I have to have

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Speaker 3: the parent's phone number. I always check with the parent.

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Speaker 3: So and so it says they're staying at your house,

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Speaker 3: is that true?

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Speaker 5: Will you be home?

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Speaker 3: Like? That's base level stuff, And most I know this

451
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Speaker 3: is big on TikTok, and I feel like it's a

452
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Speaker 3: particular thing when your kids are little and you're looking

453
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Speaker 3: ahead and you're going I will never But most parents

454
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Speaker 3: I know sit somewhere in a sensible center on this,

455
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Speaker 3: which is they have their own boundaries. Like, so, Matilda

456
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Speaker 3: had someone stay over last week, I wasn't there, so

457
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Speaker 3: obviously I made sure that her parents knew that I

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Speaker 3: wasn't there and that Brent was there, and were they

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Speaker 3: okay with that? Like just communication, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: And I think that most people are like that.

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Speaker 4: They're sensible, and things are going to happen at sleepovers

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Speaker 4: that aren ideal. Like on the one hand, you've got

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Speaker 4: I'm sure we all remember, you know, the two way

464
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Speaker 4: conversations and the realizing how shit you feel the next

465
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Speaker 4: day when you didn't get any sleep and all of that.

466
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Speaker 4: But on the other hand, I remember instances of bullying,

467
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Speaker 4: of complex friendship dynamics. It means being said, all of

468
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Speaker 4: those things happen too, but they are something that you

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Speaker 4: deal with as a teenager. You learn things from it,

470
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Speaker 4: and again it reinforces your independence. But for cultural reasons,

471
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Speaker 4: for family reasons, for religious reasons, for a million reasons,

472
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Speaker 4: some families won't do sleepovers. And it's not the only

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Speaker 4: way that you can encourage independence, right, Like.

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Speaker 3: No, And actually what happens now is something called a

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Speaker 3: sleep under. So I've got friends who do their kids

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Speaker 3: have sleepovers and that's fine. And Matilda's got friends whose

477
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Speaker 3: parents will other kids sleepover. So sleep under is where

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Speaker 3: they come and they do all the fun things that

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Speaker 3: the other kids are doing, so you know, like if

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Speaker 3: you're getting some pizza or doing whatever, hanging out, but

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Speaker 3: then they come and pick them up at about ten

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Speaker 3: o'clock or like nine o'clock or whatever is the thing.

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Speaker 3: And that's called a sleep under, and that is really

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Speaker 3: popular because if for whatever reason you're not comfortable with sleepovers,

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Speaker 3: your kids still get some of the fun, but just

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Speaker 3: not the midnight stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: What I struggle with, I guess, is the TikTok parenting

489
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Speaker 4: experts wagging their finger at other parents, sort of suggesting

490
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Speaker 4: that you're being irresponsible or naive or idealistic if you

491
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Speaker 4: allow your child to do anything that is slightly risky.

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Speaker 4: Because everyone out there is a monster. I don't want

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Speaker 4: to live in a world where we are treating everyone

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Speaker 4: as a monster. If this conversation has brought up anything

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Speaker 4: for you, then we have some resources in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Out loudest in a moment, we have some recommendations for

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Speaker 2: your weekend. Vibes ideas Atosphere, something casual, something fun.

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Speaker 6: This is my best recommendation.

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Speaker 2: It is Friday, so we want to help set up

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Speaker 2: your weekend with our very best recommendations. Holly, you go best.

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Speaker 3: You know how my recommendations. I have a reputation with

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Speaker 3: my co hosts for being a bit basic. Yes, I

503
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Speaker 3: am bringing you the most basic of all recommendations because

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Speaker 3: I think we all know or many of us know that.

505
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Speaker 3: And just like that's coming back, which is the polarizing

506
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Speaker 3: new version of Sex and the City, which is about

507
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Speaker 3: to come back with season three. When does it drop

508
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Speaker 3: The end of May May thirty. So I'm like an

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Speaker 3: athlete preparing for this event.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's done training.

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Speaker 3: And what I've been doing, and because we've been traveling

512
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Speaker 3: a lot, which we'll talk about in a minute. But

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Speaker 3: one of the things that I do for like a

514
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Speaker 3: comfort wind down, is I have been watching the entire

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Speaker 3: season six, which is the last season of Sex and

516
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Speaker 3: the City, the TV show, Right.

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Speaker 4: I loved that last season.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, it is so good.

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Speaker 3: And I know there are problematic things about it, don't

520
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Speaker 3: at me. There definitely are. There's a bit where Charlotte

521
00:25:05,821 --> 00:25:08,702
Speaker 3: puts a mascot and pretends to be blind. There's quite

522
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Speaker 3: a lot of stuff that just is not okay. But

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Speaker 3: as a season of television, in these thirty minute storytelling chunks,

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Speaker 3: so much happens in that season. You know what I'm

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Speaker 3: talking about if you're familiar. Carrie meets Berger, gets dumped

526
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Speaker 3: by Berger, Miranda goes out with the guy who lives downstairs,

527
00:25:26,022 --> 00:25:29,061
Speaker 3: gets back together with Steve, they get married, Samantha gets cancered,

528
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Speaker 3: Carrie meets the hot Russian, they have their whole thing,

529
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Speaker 3: moves to Paris, Charlotte's getting pregnant child black Like, so

530
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Speaker 3: much happens in this one season, and it is funny

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Speaker 3: and light and so well told, and I am loving it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just recommending that if you just want to

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Speaker 3: turn your brain off and just enjoy some excellent classic

534
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Speaker 3: like TV, especially if you are limbering up for and

535
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Speaker 3: just like that season six it is untouchable. It is Oh,

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Speaker 3: it's on Max.

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Speaker 4: By the way, everybody, how about you, M what's your recommendation?

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Speaker 2: So I recently got a notification on my book app

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Speaker 2: because I had it said that I wanted to read

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Speaker 2: fifty books this year, and then I got a note

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Speaker 2: for saying, if you want to stick to your goal,

542
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Speaker 2: you need to read six books a month.

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Speaker 3: So instead of reading goal on your reading app like Kindling, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I have fable.

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Speaker 2: It's an app that you can like track all your

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Speaker 2: books and stuff on it. A lot of people use

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Speaker 2: it similar to Goodreads.

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Speaker 5: Have you already read my book on there?

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Speaker 2: I definitely have read your book, Kelly, and I've given

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Speaker 2: you five stars.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, my friend. Please proceed, Please proceed.

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Speaker 2: So I was recommended this book by a friend. It's

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Speaker 2: called The God of the Woods by Liz Moore, and

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Speaker 2: it's kind of a thriller mystery drama. And the reason

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Speaker 2: I picked it up was because I've kind of been

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Speaker 2: in a hole of romanticy novels like I've been reading

557
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Speaker 2: my fairy smut. I've been reading about sexy dragons and

558
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Speaker 2: I was like, I need to get out of this.

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Speaker 2: I can't just this can't.

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Speaker 5: Be my thing.

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Speaker 2: But you love that stuff, right, I love that stuff,

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Speaker 2: And I think it's when I first got into Romanticy.

563
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Speaker 2: It was just something that's so different from everyday life.

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Speaker 2: I feel like when I read books now, I'm always

565
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Speaker 2: like in the back of my head looking for a pitch,

566
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Speaker 2: like an article or something to talk about in a podcast,

567
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Speaker 2: and with Romanticy, you actually can't do that because it's

568
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Speaker 2: about dragons essentially.

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Speaker 5: I love that. So many people do. People just talk

570
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Speaker 5: to me all the time about Romanticy. It's so good.

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Speaker 5: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So this book is actually a thriller mystery drama. It's

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Speaker 2: still a novel, but it's about this girl named Barbara,

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Speaker 2: and it's set in nineteen seventy five at an exclusive,

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Speaker 2: high end summer camp for kids. And I picked it

576
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Speaker 2: up holes straight after your book, so I now know

577
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Speaker 2: a lot about camping two books. So it's set at

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Speaker 2: this camp and Barbara goes missing, and Barbara in particular

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Speaker 2: is the daughter of the extremely wealthy family that owns

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Speaker 2: the camp and also employs pretty much the entire region

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Speaker 2: they live in, so they're very very high up family,

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Speaker 2: and her disappearance came fourteen years after her brother disappeared

583
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Speaker 2: in a very similar way. Oh this is mye gripping.

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Speaker 2: It's so well written. Oh it's so well doneminds me

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Speaker 2: a lot of your book Hold with the descriptions of

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Speaker 2: the camp and the maps and everything, so you can

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Speaker 2: kind of like see it in your head. And it's

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Speaker 2: just one of those thrillers that I physically couldn't put down.

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Speaker 2: It's very similar to like Gillian Flynn's writing. I absolutely

590
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Speaker 2: loved it.

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Speaker 5: Remind me what it's called.

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Speaker 2: It is called The God of the Woods by Liz Moore.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's my next raad. My recommendation is purely

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Speaker 4: here to make both of you feel like bad people.

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Speaker 4: And that is my reco is giving blood. I gave

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Speaker 4: blood last Friday. I've already told you both. I've already

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Speaker 4: told everyone I've come across. I saw, you know, Amelia's

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Speaker 4: husband is a doctor, and i'd run into him recently

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Speaker 4: and I told him within thirty seconds that I'd give

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Speaker 4: him blood because doctors really like it when you give blood.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, I should tell all of you too. I

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Speaker 4: also tell everyone that I have magic blood, which is

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Speaker 4: own egg, which means that I am obligated to give

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Speaker 4: blood because I am a It's like you're a vampire's dream. Yes,

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Speaker 4: when Spider Man says, with great something comes great responsibility,

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Speaker 4: that's me with blood. So did you know that giving

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Speaker 4: blood like needle goes in seven minutes? Seven minutes? I

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Speaker 4: had to have a bit of a consult before because

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Speaker 4: I traveled recently, and so that you should look that

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Speaker 4: up before you do it. It's like I'd been to Fiji

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Speaker 4: and it's got to be four weeks before you can

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Speaker 4: do it. So there's just some funny things and a

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Speaker 4: few people get caught out once they're there. So I

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Speaker 4: would definitely check. But I think a lot of people

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Speaker 4: think with blood it's a car accident or these traumatic accidents,

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Speaker 4: and that's true. Your blood is especially own negative, is

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Speaker 4: often used for that. But if you know anyone who

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Speaker 4: is going through cancer treatment, the chances are they will

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Speaker 4: need it at some point because it helps them, you know,

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Speaker 4: do the chemo or the radiation or whatever. I have

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Speaker 4: a friend's mum who's needed a few transfusions lately, and

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Speaker 4: so it is such a privilege to be in the

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Speaker 4: position where you're well enough to do it. And I

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00:30:02,742 --> 00:30:05,582
Speaker 4: have felt like such a good person for the last week.

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Speaker 4: And every time you tell someone they really do have

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Speaker 4: to give you a pat on the back. It's just like,

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Speaker 4: sometimes I don't feel like a good person, and that

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Speaker 4: has just been honestly, it has given me a lot

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Speaker 4: of self esteem.

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Speaker 3: It's on my list of things I've got to get

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Speaker 3: around to doing when things calm down and inverted commas. And

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Speaker 3: also plasma if you can do that too, that is incredibly.

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Speaker 4: Yes, plasma, and you can give plasma more often as well.

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Speaker 2: Jesse, I don't know if it was you, but someone said,

635
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Speaker 2: if you're single, going to a blood bank.

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Speaker 4: It was me.

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Speaker 5: It was me.

638
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Speaker 4: I wrote a story, so I gave blood years ago,

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Speaker 4: and I hadn't done it in a few years because

640
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Speaker 4: I'd had some issues with iron deficiency. But we went

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Speaker 4: as a workplace because someone that we love who we

642
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Speaker 4: worked with was diagnosed with cancer and we all went

643
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Speaker 4: and gave blood. And I was like, I know, this

644
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Speaker 4: isn't the point, but everyone here is really hot. And

645
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Speaker 4: not only were they hot, but they had great values

646
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Speaker 4: because they were like, I care about saving lives, and

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Speaker 4: I looked around and went, this is a single girl's dream.

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Speaker 4: And I remember speaking to Life Blood about it. It's often,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's like a professional who's going on their

650
00:31:13,342 --> 00:31:17,382
Speaker 4: lunch break and they're just like, honestly, em, I reckon go,

651
00:31:17,742 --> 00:31:19,462
Speaker 4: don't give too much. You've still got to be standing.

652
00:31:19,502 --> 00:31:22,382
Speaker 4: You need enough blood for yourself. But I reckon go

653
00:31:22,422 --> 00:31:24,862
Speaker 4: and just look around and I think you might meet

654
00:31:24,902 --> 00:31:26,262
Speaker 4: the love of your life at the blood bank.

655
00:31:26,422 --> 00:31:27,902
Speaker 5: Whoa a win is a win?

656
00:31:28,702 --> 00:31:30,782
Speaker 4: After the break, the highs and lows of being on

657
00:31:30,822 --> 00:31:35,022
Speaker 4: the road, a very inappropriate question, and a special birthday,

658
00:31:35,142 --> 00:31:38,102
Speaker 4: it is time for Best and Worst.

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661
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663
00:31:46,982 --> 00:31:49,302
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664
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665
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Speaker 4: Holly, do you want to go first?

666
00:32:00,942 --> 00:32:01,342
Speaker 2: I will.

667
00:32:01,382 --> 00:32:02,902
Speaker 5: I'm breaking the rules a little bit to them.

668
00:32:02,902 --> 00:32:04,862
Speaker 3: I'm going to mush them up together because my best

669
00:32:04,902 --> 00:32:06,862
Speaker 3: and worst are the same thing. We have talked about

670
00:32:06,862 --> 00:32:08,902
Speaker 3: the tour a little bit. We're going to talk about

671
00:32:08,902 --> 00:32:10,342
Speaker 3: it a little bit more in a minute too, some

672
00:32:10,462 --> 00:32:14,182
Speaker 3: very special people on the road. But my best and

673
00:32:14,302 --> 00:32:16,862
Speaker 3: worst this last week and the last few weeks has

674
00:32:16,902 --> 00:32:22,742
Speaker 3: been tour travel because I absolutely love traveling. I love flying,

675
00:32:22,862 --> 00:32:25,462
Speaker 3: I love hotels, I love doing the shows. I love

676
00:32:25,502 --> 00:32:28,142
Speaker 3: pushing myself. I love hanging out with you guys and

677
00:32:28,182 --> 00:32:30,782
Speaker 3: all the crew. I love it, like I genuinely love it.

678
00:32:31,342 --> 00:32:34,262
Speaker 3: But I have been away from my family so much.

679
00:32:34,302 --> 00:32:37,062
Speaker 3: And this is exacerbated by the fact that obviously, as

680
00:32:37,062 --> 00:32:38,981
Speaker 3: a lot of out loud as know, a couple of

681
00:32:39,102 --> 00:32:42,582
Speaker 3: well four years ago now, I moved down the coast

682
00:32:42,582 --> 00:32:44,661
Speaker 3: in New South Wales, so I don't live near Sydney.

683
00:32:44,702 --> 00:32:45,742
Speaker 5: I don't live near the airport.

684
00:32:45,782 --> 00:32:49,062
Speaker 3: So that complicates things in that it means that often

685
00:32:49,102 --> 00:32:51,182
Speaker 3: when we come back to town, if we're going again soon,

686
00:32:51,302 --> 00:32:54,261
Speaker 3: like I end up staying in hotels more and away.

687
00:32:54,302 --> 00:32:57,822
Speaker 3: So there's been long stretches where I haven't seen the family.

688
00:32:57,862 --> 00:32:59,862
Speaker 3: And we always knew, Like Brent and I at the

689
00:32:59,902 --> 00:33:01,742
Speaker 3: beginning of this year, when we were looking at the year,

690
00:33:02,062 --> 00:33:04,822
Speaker 3: we were like, well, May is just crazy because I've

691
00:33:04,862 --> 00:33:07,181
Speaker 3: got a book coming out, which is an amazing, you

692
00:33:07,222 --> 00:33:07,662
Speaker 3: know thing.

693
00:33:07,742 --> 00:33:08,902
Speaker 5: You work so hard on.

694
00:33:08,862 --> 00:33:11,662
Speaker 3: And finally comes and then we've got the tour, which

695
00:33:11,702 --> 00:33:14,421
Speaker 3: is the highlight of my mom and me are out

696
00:33:14,502 --> 00:33:14,982
Speaker 3: loud year.

697
00:33:15,022 --> 00:33:17,062
Speaker 5: I love it. But they were all colliding. So we're

698
00:33:17,102 --> 00:33:17,462
Speaker 5: just new.

699
00:33:17,502 --> 00:33:19,222
Speaker 3: So we talked to the kids and we're just like,

700
00:33:19,462 --> 00:33:22,822
Speaker 3: talk to the dog, talk to everybody, talk to the plants.

701
00:33:23,622 --> 00:33:25,461
Speaker 5: Just like, I'm going to be traveling a lot. I'm

702
00:33:25,462 --> 00:33:26,262
Speaker 5: not going to be around.

703
00:33:26,661 --> 00:33:28,262
Speaker 3: It's not going to be great, but we'll get through it,

704
00:33:28,302 --> 00:33:29,941
Speaker 3: and then we're all going to go on holiday together

705
00:33:29,982 --> 00:33:33,421
Speaker 3: in the school holidays. But it's so weird, and I

706
00:33:33,462 --> 00:33:35,062
Speaker 3: know there are so many people who have to travel

707
00:33:35,062 --> 00:33:37,102
Speaker 3: for work or lots of different reasons. Maybe they're fly

708
00:33:37,182 --> 00:33:39,102
Speaker 3: and fly out, maybe they're you know, doing lots of

709
00:33:39,102 --> 00:33:42,421
Speaker 3: different things. That it's like a great privilege really because

710
00:33:42,462 --> 00:33:44,822
Speaker 3: you get to still with your parent and you've got

711
00:33:44,822 --> 00:33:46,701
Speaker 3: a busy family life, because you get to live a

712
00:33:46,702 --> 00:33:49,701
Speaker 3: little bit of just you, just you being selfish, like

713
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:52,342
Speaker 3: sitting in a hotel room watching sex in the city, right,

714
00:33:52,382 --> 00:33:55,382
Speaker 3: you know, winding down from a show. But then on

715
00:33:55,422 --> 00:33:57,902
Speaker 3: the other hand, I just by the end of last week,

716
00:33:57,942 --> 00:34:02,261
Speaker 3: I was just pining for them, like just absolutely pining

717
00:34:02,262 --> 00:34:04,062
Speaker 3: for them, and you know, that you're not there for

718
00:34:04,102 --> 00:34:06,102
Speaker 3: things you should be there for, and you know you're

719
00:34:06,102 --> 00:34:08,221
Speaker 3: just not there for all the incidental little stuff, and

720
00:34:08,262 --> 00:34:11,062
Speaker 3: you know that the cabbage is are and it's just

721
00:34:12,102 --> 00:34:14,342
Speaker 3: the caterpillars are having their way with your broccoli.

722
00:34:15,382 --> 00:34:16,902
Speaker 4: How do you feel at the end of it, Holly,

723
00:34:17,062 --> 00:34:19,421
Speaker 4: do you really really miss them? Do you just want

724
00:34:19,462 --> 00:34:19,781
Speaker 4: to go in?

725
00:34:19,982 --> 00:34:21,582
Speaker 5: I really really miss them?

726
00:34:22,022 --> 00:34:24,261
Speaker 3: And then the thing that's funny about it, and again

727
00:34:24,302 --> 00:34:25,901
Speaker 3: lots of people who travel for work will know this

728
00:34:26,302 --> 00:34:28,062
Speaker 3: is then you get home and you're home for like

729
00:34:28,102 --> 00:34:29,942
Speaker 3: a day, and it's like you are never gone, and

730
00:34:29,982 --> 00:34:32,221
Speaker 3: the washing is up to the ceiling and they're all

731
00:34:32,261 --> 00:34:34,022
Speaker 3: just like, oh, they're so happy to see you when

732
00:34:34,062 --> 00:34:36,261
Speaker 3: you first get home. But then they're just everyone just

733
00:34:36,261 --> 00:34:38,221
Speaker 3: slots back into normal life and you're like, oh yeah,

734
00:34:38,261 --> 00:34:40,261
Speaker 3: and then you're like, oh, hotel room would be kind

735
00:34:40,261 --> 00:34:44,301
Speaker 3: of nice. No, So it's been like, I know, I

736
00:34:44,342 --> 00:34:46,821
Speaker 3: sound like a very privileged winter because these are the

737
00:34:46,822 --> 00:34:49,022
Speaker 3: best things about my job, right, Like, this is such

738
00:34:49,062 --> 00:34:51,662
Speaker 3: good stuff, you know, talking to people about my book.

739
00:34:51,701 --> 00:34:53,622
Speaker 3: He would never talk to people about the tour, meeting

740
00:34:53,622 --> 00:34:55,381
Speaker 3: out loud as on the tour, traveling with all these

741
00:34:55,382 --> 00:34:57,821
Speaker 3: smart women but fuck, I miss my family a lot

742
00:34:57,902 --> 00:34:59,421
Speaker 3: and it's a weird.

743
00:34:59,661 --> 00:35:00,781
Speaker 5: High low situation.

744
00:35:01,102 --> 00:35:04,582
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what you mean. Em what was your worst?

745
00:35:05,022 --> 00:35:08,862
Speaker 2: So my worst. This is gonna sound so lame compared

746
00:35:08,862 --> 00:35:11,462
Speaker 2: to Holly's work, but it's kind of similar with the

747
00:35:11,502 --> 00:35:13,142
Speaker 2: traveling around, Like I don't think I'm cut out for

748
00:35:13,181 --> 00:35:16,582
Speaker 2: the rock star life. Like it's just a lot of hotels,

749
00:35:16,622 --> 00:35:18,982
Speaker 2: a lot of flights, which I absolutely love and it's

750
00:35:19,022 --> 00:35:22,301
Speaker 2: so exciting and it's so new to me. But I

751
00:35:22,342 --> 00:35:26,181
Speaker 2: am the most undisciplined person in history, to the point

752
00:35:26,181 --> 00:35:28,022
Speaker 2: where I genuinely think I need to be studied because

753
00:35:28,062 --> 00:35:31,102
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. If I'm not held accountable for

754
00:35:31,181 --> 00:35:34,221
Speaker 2: doing things, I just won't do them. And I've been

755
00:35:34,781 --> 00:35:38,181
Speaker 2: really taking the mickey out of this whole, like little

756
00:35:38,221 --> 00:35:41,462
Speaker 2: stint of ours being away and everything's just out of

757
00:35:41,502 --> 00:35:43,942
Speaker 2: control of my life, Like I haven't planned when to

758
00:35:44,022 --> 00:35:47,542
Speaker 2: do my washing. My apartment's been in a constant mess.

759
00:35:48,022 --> 00:35:50,502
Speaker 2: I've been in the office when I'm not allowed to

760
00:35:50,502 --> 00:35:53,142
Speaker 2: be in the office because it's still under construction. I've

761
00:35:53,181 --> 00:35:56,022
Speaker 2: just been breaking so many rules. I've been sleeping in,

762
00:35:56,181 --> 00:35:59,422
Speaker 2: I've been eating crazy, i haven't been taking my vitamins,

763
00:35:59,542 --> 00:36:03,181
Speaker 2: and I'm starting to now feel the ramifications for all

764
00:36:03,221 --> 00:36:05,902
Speaker 2: of that, Like I am starting to become a frazzle person.

765
00:36:05,982 --> 00:36:08,822
Speaker 2: I'm not a frazzle person, generally hard relate.

766
00:36:08,902 --> 00:36:11,902
Speaker 4: And I've not eaten. I know, we don't do good food,

767
00:36:11,942 --> 00:36:14,701
Speaker 4: bad food. God, I've eaten like crap and I'm feeling it.

768
00:36:14,701 --> 00:36:17,382
Speaker 4: It's like, because you're so out of whack, you just

769
00:36:17,422 --> 00:36:18,982
Speaker 4: sort of eat what you can get and you get

770
00:36:19,022 --> 00:36:20,342
Speaker 4: to the end of it and go, no, I probably

771
00:36:20,382 --> 00:36:21,102
Speaker 4: need a vegetable.

772
00:36:21,462 --> 00:36:24,301
Speaker 2: Literally, i haven't even vegetable. I've been like surviving on

773
00:36:24,382 --> 00:36:29,221
Speaker 2: meta musial my whole boughs because it's just been insane,

774
00:36:29,302 --> 00:36:32,022
Speaker 2: to the point where my mom came over I think

775
00:36:32,062 --> 00:36:34,901
Speaker 2: it was after the Brisbane show, and she just came

776
00:36:34,942 --> 00:36:37,301
Speaker 2: over and cleaned my apartment and kissed me food and

777
00:36:37,462 --> 00:36:40,102
Speaker 2: was like, you need to figure this out because I

778
00:36:40,142 --> 00:36:40,901
Speaker 2: can't do this.

779
00:36:40,822 --> 00:36:41,742
Speaker 5: For the rest of my life.

780
00:36:41,781 --> 00:36:43,222
Speaker 2: But I'm like, that's true.

781
00:36:43,502 --> 00:36:46,181
Speaker 4: I'm sure that's a Telesis's mum does too, surely.

782
00:36:46,542 --> 00:36:49,781
Speaker 2: But my best was also related to show because I

783
00:36:49,822 --> 00:36:54,422
Speaker 2: celebrated my birthday for the Sydney show and it was

784
00:36:54,781 --> 00:36:58,181
Speaker 2: hands down the best birthday I've ever had. It was

785
00:36:58,382 --> 00:37:00,542
Speaker 2: just so much fun. I get a lot of anxiety

786
00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:03,462
Speaker 2: from my birthday. On my twenty third birthday, I had

787
00:37:03,462 --> 00:37:06,181
Speaker 2: my first anxiety attack and it was at like a

788
00:37:06,181 --> 00:37:08,382
Speaker 2: big party I had for myself, and since I was

789
00:37:08,382 --> 00:37:11,382
Speaker 2: twenty three, I haven't had a party for my birthday

790
00:37:11,582 --> 00:37:13,821
Speaker 2: since then. Like I've had my go to was like

791
00:37:13,862 --> 00:37:16,822
Speaker 2: a dinner with three of my closest friends, a dinner

792
00:37:16,822 --> 00:37:18,741
Speaker 2: with my parents, and a breakfast with my grandparents, and

793
00:37:18,781 --> 00:37:21,222
Speaker 2: I've just done that every year. And then the Sydney Show.

794
00:37:22,062 --> 00:37:23,422
Speaker 5: It was just so much fun.

795
00:37:23,422 --> 00:37:25,821
Speaker 2: And I think it's because I had just sure a

796
00:37:25,862 --> 00:37:28,462
Speaker 2: great habit to build, but I had so much anxiety

797
00:37:28,502 --> 00:37:30,782
Speaker 2: for the Sydney Show that the anxiety for my birthday

798
00:37:30,862 --> 00:37:31,502
Speaker 2: just never came.

799
00:37:32,382 --> 00:37:34,901
Speaker 3: And it was just fun and everyone was stay out

800
00:37:34,902 --> 00:37:37,821
Speaker 3: loudest spontaneously sang you I need to.

801
00:37:37,822 --> 00:37:40,661
Speaker 2: Find out who started that, because it wasn't anyone I know.

802
00:37:40,781 --> 00:37:42,821
Speaker 2: I've asked everyone and they were like, oh, sorry, it

803
00:37:42,902 --> 00:37:45,821
Speaker 2: wasn't ass So it was. It wasn't out louder and

804
00:37:45,862 --> 00:37:49,261
Speaker 2: it was so beautiful and the crew and you guys

805
00:37:49,261 --> 00:37:52,102
Speaker 2: were just so nice and you made me feel so special.

806
00:37:52,342 --> 00:37:55,542
Speaker 2: And it was the first birthday where it was all

807
00:37:55,701 --> 00:37:59,181
Speaker 2: happiness and zero anxiety, and I absolutely loved it.

808
00:37:59,181 --> 00:38:00,142
Speaker 5: It was so much fun.

809
00:38:00,342 --> 00:38:02,422
Speaker 4: I was so special to spend your birthday with you

810
00:38:02,502 --> 00:38:09,781
Speaker 4: and the big twenty nine. No, my worst is it's

811
00:38:09,822 --> 00:38:13,861
Speaker 4: a question I got asked at the park. And I

812
00:38:13,902 --> 00:38:15,861
Speaker 4: want to be clear because I actually don't think there's

813
00:38:15,862 --> 00:38:18,982
Speaker 4: anything inappropriate about this question. And I've had great conversations

814
00:38:19,022 --> 00:38:21,582
Speaker 4: with women about it, right, And that is the second

815
00:38:21,582 --> 00:38:26,462
Speaker 4: baby question. I am constantly having conversations about it. You know,

816
00:38:26,502 --> 00:38:28,702
Speaker 4: people can be really touchy, and I get it about

817
00:38:28,781 --> 00:38:31,301
Speaker 4: when you're having a baby, did it? Like all of

818
00:38:31,302 --> 00:38:34,701
Speaker 4: that stuff can be a button for people. But I've

819
00:38:34,701 --> 00:38:37,142
Speaker 4: had lots of women say to me, are you thinking

820
00:38:37,181 --> 00:38:40,981
Speaker 4: about a second? And We've had great conversations and I'm

821
00:38:41,181 --> 00:38:43,942
Speaker 4: really honest with them and we go back and forth.

822
00:38:43,942 --> 00:38:46,221
Speaker 4: And I'm always asking people about the age gap and

823
00:38:46,261 --> 00:38:47,781
Speaker 4: when did you decide to have a second and blah

824
00:38:47,781 --> 00:38:50,542
Speaker 4: blah blah. But I was at the park and this

825
00:38:50,582 --> 00:38:52,422
Speaker 4: woman came over to me and asked how old Luna

826
00:38:52,582 --> 00:38:54,542
Speaker 4: was and asked if I was thinking about having a second,

827
00:38:54,701 --> 00:38:57,902
Speaker 4: which is fine, but it was the follow up questions

828
00:38:57,942 --> 00:39:02,382
Speaker 4: that I found to be inappropriate, like bordering on almost

829
00:39:02,382 --> 00:39:04,661
Speaker 4: a bit like aggressive, like annoid that I hadn't had

830
00:39:04,701 --> 00:39:07,422
Speaker 4: a second. So she was like, she came over, asked

831
00:39:07,701 --> 00:39:10,261
Speaker 4: you think about having a second, and then like why

832
00:39:10,261 --> 00:39:13,582
Speaker 4: haven't you had one yet? What are you waiting for?

833
00:39:13,822 --> 00:39:16,542
Speaker 4: And when were you thinking? And if she's nearly two,

834
00:39:16,582 --> 00:39:19,661
Speaker 4: then it might be time. And she was like nearly

835
00:39:19,741 --> 00:39:22,301
Speaker 4: aggressive about it, And I thought, do you want me

836
00:39:22,382 --> 00:39:25,381
Speaker 4: to turn to you, stranger who I have never met,

837
00:39:25,902 --> 00:39:28,701
Speaker 4: and talked to you about my ovulation schedule and how

838
00:39:28,781 --> 00:39:32,462
Speaker 4: that is intersecting with my husband's availability, Like do you

839
00:39:32,661 --> 00:39:37,422
Speaker 4: help pride it? These conversations are you don't know if

840
00:39:37,622 --> 00:39:40,701
Speaker 4: I've been struggling for twelve months. You don't know if

841
00:39:40,781 --> 00:39:45,022
Speaker 4: I'm currently pregnant, you don't know if I have had

842
00:39:45,062 --> 00:39:50,062
Speaker 4: pregnancy loss. Like it's just a very sore topic. And

843
00:39:50,582 --> 00:39:52,221
Speaker 4: on my way back from the park, I was like,

844
00:39:53,022 --> 00:39:56,861
Speaker 4: the thing is that everyone who has one baby has

845
00:39:56,942 --> 00:40:00,861
Speaker 4: thought about a second, either they've decided that they don't

846
00:40:00,862 --> 00:40:02,982
Speaker 4: want to, or they do want to or whatever. It's like,

847
00:40:03,622 --> 00:40:05,341
Speaker 4: you're not bringing.

848
00:40:05,062 --> 00:40:05,862
Speaker 5: Them the idea.

849
00:40:06,022 --> 00:40:09,102
Speaker 4: You're not planting an idea that hasn't crossed my mind.

850
00:40:09,982 --> 00:40:12,462
Speaker 4: I'm obviously thinking about that. I am very aware of

851
00:40:12,622 --> 00:40:15,261
Speaker 4: age all that kind of stuff. I just thought, if

852
00:40:15,342 --> 00:40:19,781
Speaker 4: someone is a stranger, like love conversations with strangers, but

853
00:40:19,982 --> 00:40:24,262
Speaker 4: just don't compound the fertility anxiety and don't keep going.

854
00:40:24,382 --> 00:40:27,861
Speaker 3: It's so funny, not funny, hahd. But Jesse, I think

855
00:40:27,942 --> 00:40:30,221
Speaker 3: because you know, there's so much out there now, we

856
00:40:30,261 --> 00:40:32,221
Speaker 3: share so much on STUCI. I don't mean usk, yes,

857
00:40:32,542 --> 00:40:36,062
Speaker 3: but I sort of think everyone's got the memo about

858
00:40:36,102 --> 00:40:39,221
Speaker 3: like not asking people those kind of questions, just like

859
00:40:39,261 --> 00:40:41,221
Speaker 3: you don't ask people if they're pregnant, or you don't

860
00:40:41,261 --> 00:40:43,502
Speaker 3: ask people if they want to have kids, or if

861
00:40:43,502 --> 00:40:44,942
Speaker 3: they're about to get married.

862
00:40:44,701 --> 00:40:45,221
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

863
00:40:45,302 --> 00:40:48,542
Speaker 3: Like, in my mind, we've all got that memo and

864
00:40:48,582 --> 00:40:52,142
Speaker 3: we don't push it. But clearly that's a false reality.

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Speaker 3: Clearly there's plenty of pushing still going on.

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Speaker 4: And I have a theory that it is worse when

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Speaker 4: you've had one. I reckon that if you don't have kids.

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Speaker 4: I've got heaps and mates without kids, and I think

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Speaker 4: people go, you know what, none of my business. Maybe

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Speaker 4: they don't want them, maybe they do whatever. When you've

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Speaker 4: had one, it's like you've opened the door for people

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Speaker 4: to go, Are you having more like they think that

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Speaker 4: conversation is appropriate when I know a lot of people

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Speaker 4: who have struggled with a second or for various reasons,

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Speaker 4: don't want one. It's just like, yeah, people think that

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00:41:21,661 --> 00:41:24,422
Speaker 4: it's an appropriate kind of thing, and if you're a mate,

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00:41:24,942 --> 00:41:27,622
Speaker 4: so happy to have the conversation, but strangers just different.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so stressful to me.

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00:41:30,382 --> 00:41:30,902
Speaker 5: Exactly.

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Speaker 4: My best is we've been touring for six or seven years.

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Speaker 4: We've been doing it for a while, and I reckon

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00:41:38,261 --> 00:41:42,102
Speaker 4: we've done more than fifty live shows. Yeah, and this

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Speaker 4: has been my absolute favorite for a few reasons. We've

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Speaker 4: had a few special guests on the road with us,

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Speaker 4: and speaking of sleepovers, it's been like a big sleepover

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Speaker 4: with just the best company because you spend so much time.

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Speaker 4: You have dinner together, you're backstage together, like I've just

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00:42:01,221 --> 00:42:06,381
Speaker 4: loved that incidental time and the crew, like you know,

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00:42:06,502 --> 00:42:08,661
Speaker 4: we get on stage and get an applause and do

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Speaker 4: what I maintain is the easy bit, the logistics, the

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00:42:12,622 --> 00:42:14,942
Speaker 4: work that has gone on behind the scenes. And I

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Speaker 4: couldn't possibly name everyone but Paula and Ruth and em

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Speaker 4: Lucy Lucy's Oh, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: So many co Co and Tessa who are traveling with

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Speaker 3: us and doing all the socials that you're seeing. This

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Speaker 3: one here Emily Vernon, who's stepping out on stage for

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Speaker 3: the first time in front of all those people.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, And now we can actually name who the other

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Speaker 4: special guest was, because now everyone knows. Of course, Amelia Lester.

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Speaker 4: Amelia was on the road with us, and like, spending

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Speaker 4: time with you two has just been so much fun.

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00:42:46,701 --> 00:42:48,622
Speaker 4: So we're just so lucky.

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Speaker 2: It's such a good team. Like it's so much fun.

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Speaker 4: Such a good team. So I've just enjoyed it so much.

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Speaker 4: It's been not only my best for the week, but

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Speaker 4: I reckon it'll be the highlight of my ear for sure.

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Speaker 3: Massive appreciation to all those amazing women. And you know

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00:43:02,062 --> 00:43:04,981
Speaker 3: what's funny we talked about this, it's not entirely true

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Speaker 3: because there are some dudes behind the scenes who came

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00:43:07,661 --> 00:43:08,582
Speaker 3: upon the Sydney Show.

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00:43:08,622 --> 00:43:09,222
Speaker 5: There's Josh.

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Speaker 3: We were in Brisbane and all the crew came up

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Speaker 3: on the stage to take a bow and I knew

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Speaker 3: someone who was there and she said, oh my god,

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00:43:15,982 --> 00:43:18,942
Speaker 3: seeing all that all female crew, you know, it was

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00:43:18,982 --> 00:43:19,821
Speaker 3: so empowering.

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Speaker 5: It was so powerful and Jesse.

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Speaker 3: I told Jesse that after dinner, and we looked at

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00:43:23,422 --> 00:43:25,821
Speaker 3: each other and went that had never even heard like

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00:43:26,302 --> 00:43:29,542
Speaker 3: We're just so used to being surrounded by amazing kicks

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Speaker 3: women that like, it doesn't seem remarkable, but you know what,

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Speaker 3: I bet it is remarkable.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, Wow, wow, wow wow, so much fun, so cool.

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Speaker 3: That is all we have time for today. We will

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Speaker 3: stop talking about the tour now. It probably really annoys

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Speaker 3: everybody who didn't get back to original programming. But a

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Speaker 3: massive thank you to all of you out louders who

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00:43:54,221 --> 00:43:56,942
Speaker 3: listen to us today, any day every week. We'll be

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Speaker 3: back in your ears on Monday. Jesse and them read

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Speaker 3: us out.

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Speaker 4: Big thank you to our team group executive producer Ruth

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Speaker 4: Devine executive producer Emmeline Gazillis, both of whom I have

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Speaker 4: bought sympathy cards for after how much time they've i

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Speaker 4: to spend with us over the last month.

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Speaker 2: Our audio producer is Leah Porge's, our video producer is

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Speaker 2: Josh Green, our one man in our big team, Hey,

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Speaker 2: and our junior content producers Coco and Tessa.

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Speaker 4: Bye bye, out Louders. We know you're not ready to

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Speaker 4: say goodbye. We thought we would leave you with a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a conversation we had on a subscriber

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Speaker 4: episode yesterday about an out louder who was having a

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Speaker 4: pretty good time with a situationship that needed to end

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Speaker 4: it and she hadn't ended a relationship in more than

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Speaker 4: twenty years. Look did she come to the right place

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Speaker 4: for advice?

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Speaker 5: You will see a link to.

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Speaker 4: That episode will be in the show notes. Shout out

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00:44:52,062 --> 00:44:54,781
Speaker 4: to any Mum and mea subscribers listening. If you love

949
00:44:54,862 --> 00:44:57,462
Speaker 4: the show and you want to support us, subscribing to

950
00:44:57,542 --> 00:45:00,302
Speaker 4: Mom and Mia is the very best way to do so.

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00:45:00,342 --> 00:45:02,102
Speaker 4: There's a link in the episode description