1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:14,104 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,744 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,704 --> 00:00:20,584 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,304 --> 00:00:27,944 Speaker 1: From Mamma Maya. Welcome to The Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:27,944 --> 00:00:31,064 Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm Casseanie Luke here and I'm Laura Brodnick. 6 00:00:31,224 --> 00:00:33,864 Speaker 1: Now on today's show, we are going to go down 7 00:00:33,944 --> 00:00:37,944 Speaker 1: memory lane and re visit two of the beautiful stars 8 00:00:37,984 --> 00:00:41,744 Speaker 1: from Dawson's Creek. And also we have heard some very 9 00:00:41,784 --> 00:00:44,344 Speaker 1: troubling news about one of our all time favorites here 10 00:00:44,344 --> 00:00:46,424 Speaker 1: at this office, Pedro Pascal. 11 00:00:46,744 --> 00:00:49,304 Speaker 3: But first I wanted to acknowledge a fandom that is 12 00:00:49,304 --> 00:00:52,424 Speaker 3: having a very good week. And fandoms are my favorite. 13 00:00:52,024 --> 00:00:54,544 Speaker 2: Things in the world. People who just latch. 14 00:00:54,304 --> 00:00:57,064 Speaker 3: Onto something become maybe too intense about it that they 15 00:00:57,104 --> 00:01:00,304 Speaker 3: become society's outcasts. But they're happy and they're together, and 16 00:01:00,344 --> 00:01:01,104 Speaker 3: that is the best thing. 17 00:01:01,264 --> 00:01:03,144 Speaker 1: The great thing about The Spill is this is where 18 00:01:03,184 --> 00:01:07,904 Speaker 1: society's outcasts can come and feel okay about the intense 19 00:01:08,104 --> 00:01:09,784 Speaker 1: love of romance novels. 20 00:01:09,864 --> 00:01:10,304 Speaker 2: Exactly. 21 00:01:10,464 --> 00:01:12,424 Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to cry, We're a fictional person and 22 00:01:12,504 --> 00:01:15,584 Speaker 3: forsake your family, you go right ahead. So this week 23 00:01:15,624 --> 00:01:18,784 Speaker 3: we had the news that Alie Hazelwood's The Love Hypothesis 24 00:01:18,904 --> 00:01:21,704 Speaker 3: is officially getting a film adaptation, So if you're on 25 00:01:21,744 --> 00:01:23,864 Speaker 3: across this book. It came out in twenty twenty one. 26 00:01:24,224 --> 00:01:26,864 Speaker 3: It became a huge success. It was on the New 27 00:01:26,944 --> 00:01:30,024 Speaker 3: York Times bestseller list. It's basically the story of a 28 00:01:30,064 --> 00:01:33,224 Speaker 3: student named Olive who is kind of building up her 29 00:01:33,384 --> 00:01:35,424 Speaker 3: romance to her friend, and she starts like a fake 30 00:01:35,504 --> 00:01:38,464 Speaker 3: relationship with her college professor, but then it becomes very 31 00:01:39,064 --> 00:01:41,344 Speaker 3: real life. And I actually haven't read it yet. I've 32 00:01:41,504 --> 00:01:44,584 Speaker 3: had the book saved, so it's on my list. I've 33 00:01:44,584 --> 00:01:46,744 Speaker 3: heard it's a very smutty, sexy read that a lot 34 00:01:46,744 --> 00:01:48,784 Speaker 3: of people love. I'm saving it until I go on 35 00:01:48,784 --> 00:01:50,704 Speaker 3: holiday and I'm lying on a beach somewhere, But that 36 00:01:50,744 --> 00:01:52,424 Speaker 3: opportunity has not presented itself. 37 00:01:52,424 --> 00:01:53,904 Speaker 2: So maybe I just need to read it my cold 38 00:01:53,944 --> 00:01:54,984 Speaker 2: Sydney apartment. 39 00:01:54,704 --> 00:01:56,464 Speaker 1: I can't remember if I've read it. I have this 40 00:01:56,544 --> 00:01:59,264 Speaker 1: problem where because I read books so quickly because I 41 00:01:59,264 --> 00:02:00,984 Speaker 1: just want to get through them. Yeah, of my eight 42 00:02:00,984 --> 00:02:02,864 Speaker 1: ahe j, I just need to get to the end 43 00:02:02,904 --> 00:02:05,544 Speaker 1: of them. Sometimes I forget if I've read a book 44 00:02:05,664 --> 00:02:07,864 Speaker 1: until I go back and reread it. Because I reread 45 00:02:07,904 --> 00:02:08,504 Speaker 1: things as well. 46 00:02:08,544 --> 00:02:10,624 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm an every reader as well, but I think 47 00:02:10,664 --> 00:02:12,824 Speaker 2: you forget books. Is I'm really upset for you. 48 00:02:12,824 --> 00:02:15,464 Speaker 1: No, it's actually kind of good because then I go 49 00:02:15,504 --> 00:02:17,584 Speaker 1: back and reread it. But sometimes I forget that I've 50 00:02:17,624 --> 00:02:19,224 Speaker 1: read them, and then I go to start one that 51 00:02:19,264 --> 00:02:21,984 Speaker 1: someone's recommended to me, and then I'm like, oh, yeah, 52 00:02:21,984 --> 00:02:22,584 Speaker 1: I have read this. 53 00:02:22,744 --> 00:02:25,064 Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean, look, a few books do blur together. 54 00:02:25,184 --> 00:02:27,104 Speaker 3: So yeah, this one came out in twenty twenty one, 55 00:02:27,384 --> 00:02:29,944 Speaker 3: had a huge fandom straight away. And what's really interesting 56 00:02:30,024 --> 00:02:33,264 Speaker 3: is that the author, Alie Hazel, would it actually started 57 00:02:33,344 --> 00:02:35,944 Speaker 3: as fan fiction. You know how fan fiction is like 58 00:02:35,984 --> 00:02:37,824 Speaker 3: a lot of people publish on different sites all over 59 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:41,264 Speaker 3: the Internet, and it's taking characters and stories from like 60 00:02:41,384 --> 00:02:44,464 Speaker 3: other properties, but writing your own version of them. 61 00:02:44,584 --> 00:02:47,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard this. I'm really struggling to see how 62 00:02:47,424 --> 00:02:49,144 Speaker 1: this is linked to Star Wars. 63 00:02:49,464 --> 00:02:51,344 Speaker 3: Oh, so it's always a bit of a tenuous link. 64 00:02:51,384 --> 00:02:54,304 Speaker 3: It's kind of like how Fifty Shades of Gray is 65 00:02:54,504 --> 00:02:58,104 Speaker 3: Twilight fan fiction, So like that author started writing Twilight 66 00:02:58,184 --> 00:03:00,944 Speaker 3: fan fiction and then it morphed into Fifty Shades of Grace. 67 00:03:01,064 --> 00:03:04,024 Speaker 3: Like the setting, the character names, the storyline, is different. 68 00:03:04,024 --> 00:03:06,504 Speaker 3: It's more the dynamic that you carry over, or like 69 00:03:06,544 --> 00:03:09,584 Speaker 3: how the shadow Hunter books are like really loosely hooked 70 00:03:09,624 --> 00:03:12,664 Speaker 3: on fan fiction from like Hermione and Draco from Harry Potter, 71 00:03:12,704 --> 00:03:15,664 Speaker 3: so like super different settings. So this is hooked off 72 00:03:15,704 --> 00:03:19,544 Speaker 3: the Riilo fan fiction, which is Ray and Kylo from 73 00:03:19,664 --> 00:03:22,984 Speaker 3: the Star Wars movies, like with Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver, 74 00:03:23,144 --> 00:03:25,784 Speaker 3: so obviously like their characters have a huge connection in 75 00:03:25,824 --> 00:03:27,704 Speaker 3: those movies. I can just still let the girls who 76 00:03:27,704 --> 00:03:30,104 Speaker 3: are really intertwined in the Like, my heart is beating 77 00:03:30,184 --> 00:03:31,784 Speaker 3: so fast right now because I feel like the girls 78 00:03:31,784 --> 00:03:34,424 Speaker 3: who are really intertwined this fandom are screaming at me 79 00:03:34,464 --> 00:03:36,584 Speaker 3: that I'm leaving out details. Guys, I'm just doing really 80 00:03:36,624 --> 00:03:38,304 Speaker 3: top line. This isn't for you, So just hold on 81 00:03:38,344 --> 00:03:39,184 Speaker 3: for a second. 82 00:03:38,944 --> 00:03:41,824 Speaker 1: And we we don't. It's not out yet. This is 83 00:03:41,944 --> 00:03:45,104 Speaker 1: just a casting announcement. We're just this is top line. 84 00:03:45,184 --> 00:03:47,984 Speaker 3: The casting is just so so important. So Allie was 85 00:03:48,024 --> 00:03:51,504 Speaker 3: writing this fan fiction and she was writing what people wanted, 86 00:03:51,504 --> 00:03:54,664 Speaker 3: which is obviously in that movie. Ray and Kylo do 87 00:03:54,784 --> 00:03:56,704 Speaker 3: share a kiss, but they don't have a full on 88 00:03:56,944 --> 00:03:57,824 Speaker 3: sexy love affair. 89 00:03:58,104 --> 00:03:59,584 Speaker 2: That's what the fans wanted. 90 00:03:59,864 --> 00:04:02,264 Speaker 3: So she has gone and written fan fiction about that, 91 00:04:02,824 --> 00:04:04,784 Speaker 3: and it's important to note that most fan fiction ends 92 00:04:04,864 --> 00:04:07,344 Speaker 3: up with different character combinations having sex and we love that. 93 00:04:07,704 --> 00:04:10,344 Speaker 3: And a literary agent reached out to her and was like, 94 00:04:10,424 --> 00:04:12,784 Speaker 3: your fan fiction is really great. I can see that 95 00:04:12,824 --> 00:04:14,744 Speaker 3: you're looking to develop it into a story. What can 96 00:04:14,784 --> 00:04:16,824 Speaker 3: we do? And that's where the love of Hypothesis came from. 97 00:04:16,864 --> 00:04:20,264 Speaker 3: It has the same dynamic with these characters. So when 98 00:04:20,264 --> 00:04:22,864 Speaker 3: it was optioned for a film, people lost their minds 99 00:04:22,904 --> 00:04:26,264 Speaker 3: over it, and everyone wanted Adam Driver to play the 100 00:04:26,344 --> 00:04:29,504 Speaker 3: lead male character in it because obviously it's based off him. 101 00:04:29,984 --> 00:04:32,264 Speaker 3: And so it came out that Lily ryan Hart from 102 00:04:32,344 --> 00:04:34,904 Speaker 3: Riverdale is playing Olive in the movie, but no one 103 00:04:34,984 --> 00:04:37,384 Speaker 3: knew who was going to play the lead character until 104 00:04:37,424 --> 00:04:40,824 Speaker 3: it was announced recently that actor Tom Bateman would play him. 105 00:04:41,504 --> 00:04:45,744 Speaker 3: It's not Adam Driver, but he is married to Daisy Ridley, 106 00:04:45,784 --> 00:04:49,224 Speaker 3: who plays Ray in the Star Wars movies. And that 107 00:04:49,344 --> 00:04:51,464 Speaker 3: is genius genius genius casting. 108 00:04:51,544 --> 00:04:54,784 Speaker 1: It is. Is it a bit like it's a tenuous link? 109 00:04:54,824 --> 00:04:58,704 Speaker 1: It's not super on the nass tenuous link full link. No, 110 00:04:58,784 --> 00:05:00,824 Speaker 1: But what I mean is like he wasn't in star 111 00:05:01,024 --> 00:05:01,704 Speaker 1: was his wife was. 112 00:05:01,984 --> 00:05:05,064 Speaker 3: No, but he's married to the woman that inspired the 113 00:05:05,144 --> 00:05:06,504 Speaker 3: movie that he's now starring. 114 00:05:06,624 --> 00:05:08,984 Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think it's great. I think people would 115 00:05:09,024 --> 00:05:11,144 Speaker 1: have been even more excited I feel was Adam Driver. 116 00:05:11,424 --> 00:05:12,184 Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is now. 117 00:05:12,264 --> 00:05:13,824 Speaker 3: I was just never gonna I mean, that would have 118 00:05:13,864 --> 00:05:16,424 Speaker 3: been the coolest thing Adam Driver's ever done if he 119 00:05:16,584 --> 00:05:19,304 Speaker 3: just fully lent into this fan fiction. But I don't 120 00:05:19,304 --> 00:05:20,984 Speaker 3: think anyone thought we were gonna get that. We thought 121 00:05:20,984 --> 00:05:23,664 Speaker 3: it was going to be some nondescript actor. I don't 122 00:05:23,664 --> 00:05:25,624 Speaker 3: know if maybe people in the fandom had heard like 123 00:05:25,704 --> 00:05:28,464 Speaker 3: whispers of this that Tom Bateman would. It's just this 124 00:05:28,584 --> 00:05:30,784 Speaker 3: really cheeky link to his wife and the people that 125 00:05:30,824 --> 00:05:32,904 Speaker 3: are obsessed with him. It's funny because when Daisy Ridley 126 00:05:32,944 --> 00:05:34,584 Speaker 3: was asked about this book years ago, she was like, 127 00:05:34,664 --> 00:05:37,384 Speaker 3: oh really, And then she tries to because she's obviously 128 00:05:37,464 --> 00:05:39,664 Speaker 3: very sweet, She was like, well, I just think it's 129 00:05:39,704 --> 00:05:42,064 Speaker 3: really nice that people are reading a book inspired by us, 130 00:05:42,064 --> 00:05:44,184 Speaker 3: and that's really lovely and I feel really happy to 131 00:05:44,184 --> 00:05:45,944 Speaker 3: be a part of it. But she was just oblivious. 132 00:05:45,944 --> 00:05:47,424 Speaker 3: But I think her and her husband are very in 133 00:05:47,424 --> 00:05:49,384 Speaker 3: the weeds on it now. But when I saw the 134 00:05:49,424 --> 00:05:51,624 Speaker 3: casting news. It's so funny when you see something come 135 00:05:51,704 --> 00:05:54,224 Speaker 3: from people's like dreams and their chats and all the 136 00:05:54,304 --> 00:05:56,944 Speaker 3: corners of the internet and comes into reality. Because I 137 00:05:56,984 --> 00:05:58,664 Speaker 3: haven't been this shocked by a piece of on the 138 00:05:58,704 --> 00:06:02,584 Speaker 3: nose casting news since Leah Michelle was announced and funny girl, I. 139 00:06:02,624 --> 00:06:04,624 Speaker 2: Was like, whever happened. 140 00:06:04,704 --> 00:06:06,384 Speaker 3: Oh my god, it happened the Milvine nighte and like, 141 00:06:06,424 --> 00:06:08,624 Speaker 3: I'm sure my neighbors heard me scream it happened at 142 00:06:08,664 --> 00:06:10,904 Speaker 3: like one am Australian time. Because I was like, there's 143 00:06:10,944 --> 00:06:14,224 Speaker 3: no way that Leah Michelle is living out this Glee fantasy. 144 00:06:14,304 --> 00:06:16,304 Speaker 3: And when I saw this news, it was kind of 145 00:06:16,344 --> 00:06:18,504 Speaker 3: similar to that, because I was like, Wow, sometimes the 146 00:06:18,544 --> 00:06:21,384 Speaker 3: fandom girls and the fan fiction girls, they just get 147 00:06:21,424 --> 00:06:22,304 Speaker 3: what they want. Yeah. 148 00:06:22,584 --> 00:06:26,024 Speaker 1: Only Lily Reinhart apparently has been looking for like a 149 00:06:26,104 --> 00:06:28,904 Speaker 1: romcom to be doing for a very long time, and 150 00:06:28,944 --> 00:06:31,344 Speaker 1: so seeing this project, she saw this, she was like 151 00:06:31,744 --> 00:06:34,104 Speaker 1: one hundred percent, I'm on board with that. She'd read 152 00:06:34,104 --> 00:06:37,264 Speaker 1: the book. She's super super keen and a big fan, 153 00:06:37,344 --> 00:06:38,944 Speaker 1: so I'm excited to see what she does with it 154 00:06:39,144 --> 00:06:41,824 Speaker 1: because I do really like her and it'd be nice 155 00:06:41,864 --> 00:06:44,024 Speaker 1: to see her as a romantic lead, because we haven't 156 00:06:44,024 --> 00:06:47,944 Speaker 1: really seen that so much in movie form from her, 157 00:06:48,464 --> 00:06:52,584 Speaker 1: So we don't have a release state yet. We've got 158 00:06:52,584 --> 00:06:54,464 Speaker 1: our casting and I think they're going to be starting 159 00:06:54,464 --> 00:07:06,184 Speaker 1: to film this year. Okay, if this theme song doesn't 160 00:07:06,184 --> 00:07:08,984 Speaker 1: bring the nostalgia up in you and just get you 161 00:07:09,144 --> 00:07:13,664 Speaker 1: swaying to a creek, nothing will. Now. In very very 162 00:07:13,664 --> 00:07:17,624 Speaker 1: excited news from anybody who grew up watching Dawson's Creek 163 00:07:17,704 --> 00:07:20,944 Speaker 1: in the nineties, Joshua and Jackson and Katie Holmes have 164 00:07:21,464 --> 00:07:25,584 Speaker 1: reunited on the streets of New York on the set 165 00:07:25,824 --> 00:07:30,224 Speaker 1: of Katie Holmes's brand new film trilogy called Happy Hours. 166 00:07:30,544 --> 00:07:33,424 Speaker 1: Katie Holmes is writing, directing, and starring in the films, 167 00:07:33,784 --> 00:07:38,264 Speaker 1: and she has cast her co star from Dawson's Creek, 168 00:07:38,344 --> 00:07:42,224 Speaker 1: Joshua Jackson, in the lead with her, which I just 169 00:07:42,264 --> 00:07:45,304 Speaker 1: think is just so beautiful because when you see what 170 00:07:45,384 --> 00:07:48,304 Speaker 1: the storyline is of this particular trilogy is it's about 171 00:07:48,504 --> 00:07:53,104 Speaker 1: sort of childhood sweethearts finding each other after a longer 172 00:07:53,144 --> 00:07:56,264 Speaker 1: period of time. Now, if you don't know, there's a 173 00:07:56,264 --> 00:07:58,544 Speaker 1: little bit of history between Katie Holmes and Joshu Jackson, 174 00:07:58,584 --> 00:08:00,704 Speaker 1: which is why people are so excited now. We saw 175 00:08:00,744 --> 00:08:02,544 Speaker 1: them on the streets. They were kind of just filming 176 00:08:02,584 --> 00:08:05,264 Speaker 1: one of the more casual scenes. I don't know about you, 177 00:08:05,344 --> 00:08:08,304 Speaker 1: but Katie Holmes and Joshua Jackson kind of look like 178 00:08:08,344 --> 00:08:09,864 Speaker 1: they need to be together. I know Katie's got a 179 00:08:09,904 --> 00:08:13,544 Speaker 1: boyfriend at the moment, a new man, but they look 180 00:08:13,744 --> 00:08:17,024 Speaker 1: really good together. And Joshua Jackson has aged like a 181 00:08:17,064 --> 00:08:20,784 Speaker 1: fine wine. He's forty seven years old. Have you seen 182 00:08:20,824 --> 00:08:23,544 Speaker 1: those photos hotter than have you seen the stills from 183 00:08:23,744 --> 00:08:28,184 Speaker 1: Deadline release the story announcing this Happy Hour's film trilogy. 184 00:08:28,824 --> 00:08:30,264 Speaker 1: The photo of the two of them together. 185 00:08:31,304 --> 00:08:33,864 Speaker 2: Wow, the chemistry is palpable. It always has been. 186 00:08:33,904 --> 00:08:35,744 Speaker 3: They've always just been one of those on screen couples 187 00:08:35,744 --> 00:08:37,704 Speaker 3: where it just jumps through the screen at you. Yeah. 188 00:08:37,704 --> 00:08:39,864 Speaker 1: So the trilogy is following these two people. They're you know, 189 00:08:39,944 --> 00:08:43,384 Speaker 1: navigating love, career and family challenges as adults. That's just 190 00:08:43,464 --> 00:08:44,704 Speaker 1: the line from the show. 191 00:08:45,104 --> 00:08:45,744 Speaker 2: This is their. 192 00:08:45,624 --> 00:08:50,104 Speaker 1: First on screen reunion since Creek ended in two thousand 193 00:08:50,144 --> 00:08:50,704 Speaker 1: and three. 194 00:08:51,224 --> 00:08:53,504 Speaker 3: Yes, well, they have been pitched over the years together, 195 00:08:53,504 --> 00:08:55,624 Speaker 3: but there was a huge period of time, especially like 196 00:08:55,664 --> 00:08:58,344 Speaker 3: in the ten years or so after Dawson's Creek. We're 197 00:08:58,344 --> 00:09:00,624 Speaker 3: aside from Michelle Williams and Busy Phillips, who are like 198 00:09:00,744 --> 00:09:03,904 Speaker 3: best best friends. The cast were very separate from each other. 199 00:09:03,944 --> 00:09:05,784 Speaker 3: That's also when Katie was going through the whole Tom 200 00:09:05,824 --> 00:09:09,304 Speaker 3: Cruise situation, so that's fair. I mean they only dated 201 00:09:09,344 --> 00:09:12,744 Speaker 3: for a year back in nineteen ninety eight, so I 202 00:09:12,784 --> 00:09:14,984 Speaker 3: feel like all of that past, like they were basically 203 00:09:15,104 --> 00:09:16,024 Speaker 3: kids at the time, and. 204 00:09:15,984 --> 00:09:18,384 Speaker 1: They were, and Katie said that she said in interviews 205 00:09:18,384 --> 00:09:22,264 Speaker 1: before that he was her first love and that believe 206 00:09:22,344 --> 00:09:27,024 Speaker 1: so Katie were the same. They were each other's first love. 207 00:09:27,104 --> 00:09:29,664 Speaker 1: And it's really sweet. But the fact that she has 208 00:09:29,704 --> 00:09:32,904 Speaker 1: so much control over this movie and she's brought him 209 00:09:33,024 --> 00:09:34,784 Speaker 1: on that says a lot to me. 210 00:09:35,264 --> 00:09:36,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it does. 211 00:09:36,064 --> 00:09:38,184 Speaker 3: I think she definitely knows what she's doing in terms 212 00:09:38,184 --> 00:09:40,464 Speaker 3: of getting all the eyeballs on this movie of people 213 00:09:40,704 --> 00:09:43,984 Speaker 3: being so invested in their relationship. But also like when 214 00:09:43,984 --> 00:09:45,864 Speaker 3: you hear what you're saying is that it's coming from 215 00:09:45,864 --> 00:09:49,224 Speaker 3: this place of sweethearts who were now adults and refinding 216 00:09:49,264 --> 00:09:50,864 Speaker 3: each other is like very on the nose of what 217 00:09:50,904 --> 00:09:53,424 Speaker 3: people want for them. And I find interesting about the 218 00:09:53,504 --> 00:09:56,144 Speaker 3: law of their relationship because obviously they were both cast 219 00:09:56,184 --> 00:09:58,904 Speaker 3: on Dawson's Creek in nineteen ninety eight, and when they 220 00:09:58,904 --> 00:10:01,944 Speaker 3: got together, their love story was such a huge deal 221 00:10:02,024 --> 00:10:04,104 Speaker 3: because it was the two leads of the biggest show 222 00:10:04,144 --> 00:10:07,264 Speaker 3: in the world having this public romance, and they tried 223 00:10:07,304 --> 00:10:09,584 Speaker 3: to keep it behind the scenes where they were photographed together. 224 00:10:09,784 --> 00:10:11,504 Speaker 3: And it's also kind of interesting, you know, he. 225 00:10:11,424 --> 00:10:12,144 Speaker 2: Was a child star. 226 00:10:12,264 --> 00:10:14,544 Speaker 3: He'd been famous for a long time, mostly for the 227 00:10:14,624 --> 00:10:18,144 Speaker 3: Mighty Ducks movies, movies that still slapt today. 228 00:10:18,384 --> 00:10:20,224 Speaker 1: Movies are so good. 229 00:10:20,344 --> 00:10:22,984 Speaker 2: And Dawson's Creek was her first real acting job. Yeah, 230 00:10:22,984 --> 00:10:23,744 Speaker 2: which she is crazy. 231 00:10:23,784 --> 00:10:26,304 Speaker 3: She came from a tiny little town, had never been 232 00:10:26,344 --> 00:10:27,184 Speaker 3: to Hollywood before. 233 00:10:27,224 --> 00:10:27,704 Speaker 2: I always moved. 234 00:10:27,744 --> 00:10:29,744 Speaker 3: A story that was circulating when she got cast on 235 00:10:29,824 --> 00:10:32,344 Speaker 3: Dawson's Creek is that she had sent in a tap 236 00:10:32,464 --> 00:10:36,144 Speaker 3: to the Dawson's Creek casting people and it just turned 237 00:10:36,184 --> 00:10:38,544 Speaker 3: her mom sitting in this little basement of their like 238 00:10:38,584 --> 00:10:40,984 Speaker 3: tiny little home in this tiny little town, and her 239 00:10:41,064 --> 00:10:43,824 Speaker 3: mum's being Dawson and Katie Holmes is being Joey Potter. 240 00:10:44,144 --> 00:10:45,544 Speaker 2: And apparently she. 241 00:10:45,624 --> 00:10:48,024 Speaker 3: Was so great that they were like, the auditions are 242 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:50,904 Speaker 3: happening today, will fly you to LA And apparently she 243 00:10:50,944 --> 00:10:53,744 Speaker 3: says the casting team, I can't because I'm the lead 244 00:10:53,784 --> 00:10:56,544 Speaker 3: in my school play, and I can't let the school 245 00:10:56,544 --> 00:10:59,504 Speaker 3: play down, like I cannot let my community down. And 246 00:10:59,544 --> 00:11:01,304 Speaker 3: so she did the play and she was so good 247 00:11:01,344 --> 00:11:03,904 Speaker 3: they let her fly in to La later and then 248 00:11:03,944 --> 00:11:05,624 Speaker 3: she got the role of Joey Potter straight out of 249 00:11:05,704 --> 00:11:08,864 Speaker 3: high school at the time, because I was in primary 250 00:11:08,864 --> 00:11:10,744 Speaker 3: school at the time that Dawson's Creek came out and 251 00:11:10,784 --> 00:11:12,624 Speaker 3: all these stories were coming out, and I remember that 252 00:11:12,744 --> 00:11:15,744 Speaker 3: story just going everywhere, and even as a child, and 253 00:11:15,784 --> 00:11:17,904 Speaker 3: I remember thinking, Jesus Christ, I would have left my 254 00:11:17,904 --> 00:11:20,424 Speaker 3: hometown for dead. I would have left my school for dead. 255 00:11:20,504 --> 00:11:22,464 Speaker 3: I would have been like, see you later, suckers, I'm 256 00:11:22,464 --> 00:11:25,704 Speaker 3: going to Hollywood. But she's obviously a nicer person. Also, 257 00:11:25,744 --> 00:11:27,624 Speaker 3: looking back with adult eyes now, I'm like, did that 258 00:11:27,664 --> 00:11:30,824 Speaker 3: happen or was it just a great pr story to introduce. 259 00:11:30,624 --> 00:11:31,384 Speaker 2: A bit of home. 260 00:11:31,984 --> 00:11:32,984 Speaker 1: I think a little bit. 261 00:11:33,264 --> 00:11:34,064 Speaker 2: It really happened. 262 00:11:34,144 --> 00:11:36,264 Speaker 1: I think it's really nice because we love a bit 263 00:11:36,264 --> 00:11:41,024 Speaker 1: of nostalgia. And recently, James Vanderbeek was on Masked singer 264 00:11:41,184 --> 00:11:45,184 Speaker 1: Yeah and has an amazing voice, which nobody knew. But 265 00:11:45,544 --> 00:11:48,384 Speaker 1: they've kind of been in the news quite a lot lately, 266 00:11:48,584 --> 00:11:52,024 Speaker 1: so to see them on set together, and bravo Decatie 267 00:11:52,024 --> 00:11:55,104 Speaker 1: Holmes for you know, putting this project together, writing, directing 268 00:11:55,624 --> 00:11:58,984 Speaker 1: and starring in it. It's a huge undertaking for her. 269 00:11:59,344 --> 00:12:02,904 Speaker 1: But it's really nice to see people being successful in 270 00:12:02,944 --> 00:12:06,104 Speaker 1: their later years after having that sort of child fame. 271 00:12:06,624 --> 00:12:08,984 Speaker 1: I never watched Dawson's Creek very much. I was a 272 00:12:09,024 --> 00:12:12,224 Speaker 1: little bit young for it. I did, wouldn't have understood 273 00:12:12,224 --> 00:12:15,264 Speaker 1: it when I was in primary school and I never 274 00:12:15,304 --> 00:12:17,664 Speaker 1: went back and watched it. But God, that theme song 275 00:12:17,784 --> 00:12:19,224 Speaker 1: is really Yeah. 276 00:12:19,264 --> 00:12:20,784 Speaker 3: It's one of those thing where people always say to being, 277 00:12:20,824 --> 00:12:22,864 Speaker 3: like can I watch Dorson's Creek for the first time now? 278 00:12:23,304 --> 00:12:26,064 Speaker 3: And I always say yes with the caveat that like, 279 00:12:26,304 --> 00:12:28,824 Speaker 3: it still is an incredible teen Drama'd say it's one 280 00:12:28,864 --> 00:12:32,144 Speaker 3: of the best teen dramas ever created. The pacing is 281 00:12:32,744 --> 00:12:35,344 Speaker 3: really wild for how we would watch today, so like 282 00:12:35,424 --> 00:12:37,664 Speaker 3: some of those seasons are a slog but even when 283 00:12:37,664 --> 00:12:40,024 Speaker 3: they get into their college years, it becomes very fast paced. 284 00:12:40,224 --> 00:12:42,504 Speaker 3: But the hook of the whole show, even though it's 285 00:12:42,544 --> 00:12:46,144 Speaker 3: called Dawson's Creek, was always the relationship between Katie Holmes 286 00:12:46,184 --> 00:12:49,904 Speaker 3: and Joshua Jackson's between their characters and page Yes, because 287 00:12:49,904 --> 00:12:52,384 Speaker 3: it's that unexpected love story. It's that kind of a 288 00:12:52,424 --> 00:12:55,304 Speaker 3: little bit enemies to lovers. It's the ultimate love triangle. 289 00:12:55,504 --> 00:12:57,144 Speaker 3: I don't think a love triangle has been done that 290 00:12:57,224 --> 00:12:58,904 Speaker 3: well on TV. I'm just going to say it's since 291 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:01,184 Speaker 3: Dawson's Creek. And it's kind of interesting because that show 292 00:13:01,224 --> 00:13:03,184 Speaker 3: ran for so many seasons and they only dated for 293 00:13:03,224 --> 00:13:03,784 Speaker 3: one season. 294 00:13:03,784 --> 00:13:05,384 Speaker 2: They dated for the first season. 295 00:13:05,384 --> 00:13:08,504 Speaker 3: And so that means the whole time that their characters 296 00:13:08,544 --> 00:13:12,104 Speaker 3: are in love and out and like their characters lose 297 00:13:12,104 --> 00:13:13,864 Speaker 3: their virginity to each other, and that's the whole big thing. 298 00:13:13,904 --> 00:13:17,024 Speaker 3: It means that they weren't together, but people always tried 299 00:13:17,064 --> 00:13:19,464 Speaker 3: to make out that like there was anger between them. 300 00:13:19,504 --> 00:13:20,984 Speaker 3: I think there was a storyline at one stage that 301 00:13:21,064 --> 00:13:22,264 Speaker 3: Katie Holmes had cheated. 302 00:13:21,984 --> 00:13:24,344 Speaker 2: On Joshua Jackson. I'm gonna choose not to believe that. 303 00:13:24,424 --> 00:13:26,704 Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. Yeah, she was a baby. 304 00:13:26,744 --> 00:13:29,144 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's true. I've read articles of 305 00:13:29,184 --> 00:13:31,584 Speaker 1: her after the fact that she was like, we had 306 00:13:31,584 --> 00:13:34,504 Speaker 1: a great time. He was my first love. But it's 307 00:13:34,624 --> 00:13:37,824 Speaker 1: teen love and sometimes that is just runs its course. 308 00:13:38,224 --> 00:13:39,944 Speaker 1: You hold a special place in your heart for it, 309 00:13:39,984 --> 00:13:45,064 Speaker 1: and you move on. But they have this undeniable chemistry 310 00:13:45,824 --> 00:13:48,984 Speaker 1: on screen, and I think that's really hard for people 311 00:13:49,064 --> 00:13:52,504 Speaker 1: to look at and see, how the hell can you 312 00:13:52,584 --> 00:13:56,464 Speaker 1: not be in love off camera? Well, when it looks 313 00:13:57,264 --> 00:13:58,944 Speaker 1: that good camera. 314 00:13:58,784 --> 00:14:00,264 Speaker 3: It's so funny that you say, hey, can you help 315 00:14:00,304 --> 00:14:02,344 Speaker 3: me in love? Because a really famous I felt like 316 00:14:02,344 --> 00:14:04,064 Speaker 3: this is a Dolly magazine and maybe I pulled it 317 00:14:04,104 --> 00:14:05,424 Speaker 3: out and like kept it in one of my little 318 00:14:05,424 --> 00:14:08,224 Speaker 3: fodders or something where Joshua Jackson was talking about Katie Holmes. 319 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:10,264 Speaker 3: He said, how can you not love kissing Katie Home 320 00:14:10,664 --> 00:14:12,704 Speaker 3: when they first got together, because he was like kissing 321 00:14:12,784 --> 00:14:15,344 Speaker 3: her on the screen and kissing her off screen as well. 322 00:14:15,424 --> 00:14:17,944 Speaker 3: So yeah, those two little kiddies. And I feel like 323 00:14:17,944 --> 00:14:20,904 Speaker 3: once Dawson's creek was over all of the cars, not 324 00:14:21,024 --> 00:14:23,104 Speaker 3: just because of some people being married to crazy people 325 00:14:23,184 --> 00:14:25,144 Speaker 3: and stuff. I think they all just need to separate 326 00:14:25,184 --> 00:14:27,144 Speaker 3: themselves from it. And that's why they went pictured together 327 00:14:27,144 --> 00:14:29,464 Speaker 3: for years. They even said themselves they were not in 328 00:14:29,544 --> 00:14:32,144 Speaker 3: contact or anything. But then there was those two catalysts 329 00:14:32,184 --> 00:14:34,384 Speaker 3: that brought them back together. So one was that they 330 00:14:34,384 --> 00:14:36,984 Speaker 3: did one of those big Entertainment Weekly reunion covers for 331 00:14:37,024 --> 00:14:39,904 Speaker 3: the twenty year anniversary, and then they were all back 332 00:14:39,944 --> 00:14:42,264 Speaker 3: in a group chat. And then also when James vander 333 00:14:42,304 --> 00:14:45,024 Speaker 3: Beek announced his cancer, they said that they fired up 334 00:14:45,064 --> 00:14:47,424 Speaker 3: the group chat again. They've all been in constant contact, 335 00:14:47,784 --> 00:14:49,464 Speaker 3: and so I also think it's really nice that like 336 00:14:49,584 --> 00:14:51,784 Speaker 3: you can't help but think like from the group chat, 337 00:14:51,864 --> 00:14:54,304 Speaker 3: is that where this new project has come from. And 338 00:14:54,344 --> 00:14:56,344 Speaker 3: also Katie Holmes, like I know she's out of the 339 00:14:56,384 --> 00:14:58,104 Speaker 3: industry for a while. This is the third thing that 340 00:14:58,184 --> 00:15:00,904 Speaker 3: she's directed, and she's writing it, and she's head of production, 341 00:15:01,064 --> 00:15:03,544 Speaker 3: and she works on production of all these other projects. 342 00:15:03,584 --> 00:15:05,944 Speaker 3: Like she's becoming a real Hollywood power player. 343 00:15:06,144 --> 00:15:08,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, I for her, I think she's finally out from 344 00:15:09,024 --> 00:15:11,784 Speaker 1: underneath the thumb of He who shall not be named. 345 00:15:11,904 --> 00:15:15,784 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously, as we've spoken about before, we 346 00:15:15,904 --> 00:15:19,504 Speaker 1: know that she basically had to not be in anything 347 00:15:19,744 --> 00:15:23,864 Speaker 1: after their relationship ended for over ten years. So this 348 00:15:23,904 --> 00:15:25,784 Speaker 1: is her, this is her comeback, and this is her 349 00:15:25,824 --> 00:15:28,984 Speaker 1: way of getting back into it. And first of all, 350 00:15:29,304 --> 00:15:32,984 Speaker 1: great pa, very smart, well done. Second of all, it's 351 00:15:33,064 --> 00:15:35,864 Speaker 1: undeniable how good they look together. Third of all, I 352 00:15:35,864 --> 00:15:37,584 Speaker 1: would like to see James vander Beek on there, because 353 00:15:37,584 --> 00:15:38,344 Speaker 1: I really do love him. 354 00:15:38,384 --> 00:15:39,264 Speaker 2: As well, they will happened. 355 00:15:39,464 --> 00:15:42,584 Speaker 1: He's actually he's been popping up of my TikTok a lot. 356 00:15:42,704 --> 00:15:45,864 Speaker 1: He's on my fop a lot lately, and I don't 357 00:15:45,864 --> 00:15:48,424 Speaker 1: know why, but there's something about him that I find 358 00:15:48,584 --> 00:15:49,344 Speaker 1: very charming. 359 00:15:50,024 --> 00:15:53,264 Speaker 3: And the man is a comeding genius. I know it's 360 00:15:53,304 --> 00:15:55,744 Speaker 3: a thousand times, but don't trust the Bitch and Apartment 361 00:15:55,784 --> 00:15:58,904 Speaker 3: twenty three, where he plays a fictionalized version of himself. 362 00:15:59,264 --> 00:16:00,424 Speaker 3: The man should have won an Oscar. 363 00:16:00,664 --> 00:16:05,024 Speaker 1: I love it when celebrities do that, when they play themselves, 364 00:16:05,064 --> 00:16:06,064 Speaker 1: but they play. 365 00:16:05,984 --> 00:16:11,544 Speaker 3: Like a very excellent comedic time. Not to kind of 366 00:16:11,584 --> 00:16:14,304 Speaker 3: also sour the party, but Joshua Jackson's big TV show, 367 00:16:14,304 --> 00:16:17,144 Speaker 3: Doctor Odyssey just got canceled, so potentially he also needs 368 00:16:17,144 --> 00:16:19,504 Speaker 3: a job. And he hit up the group chat and 369 00:16:19,584 --> 00:16:22,664 Speaker 3: was like, Mary, who can know? Oh my gosh, he's 370 00:16:22,704 --> 00:16:24,184 Speaker 3: going through this is really sad. 371 00:16:24,464 --> 00:16:24,944 Speaker 1: He was. 372 00:16:25,104 --> 00:16:27,544 Speaker 3: He's currently single, but not for a fun reason. He 373 00:16:27,664 --> 00:16:29,584 Speaker 3: was married to Jodie Turner Smith and they had a 374 00:16:29,664 --> 00:16:31,624 Speaker 3: very cute daughter together and they were very in love. 375 00:16:31,664 --> 00:16:33,784 Speaker 3: And she was a Dawson's Creek fan, So I do 376 00:16:33,904 --> 00:16:35,184 Speaker 3: love that a fan finally got it. 377 00:16:35,544 --> 00:16:37,584 Speaker 2: That's right, Yes, yeah, no, no, I remember. 378 00:16:38,944 --> 00:16:42,064 Speaker 3: Really yucky going through a really bad divorce at the moment, 379 00:16:42,264 --> 00:16:44,904 Speaker 3: and it's mostly to do a lot of it's really upsetting. 380 00:16:44,944 --> 00:16:47,184 Speaker 3: A lot of the court materials keep getting made public, 381 00:16:47,184 --> 00:16:50,384 Speaker 3: which is really sad because they're in contention over the custody. 382 00:16:49,944 --> 00:16:50,504 Speaker 2: Of their daughter. 383 00:16:50,664 --> 00:16:53,224 Speaker 1: No, I that now that you mentioned that, I'd remind me. 384 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:55,984 Speaker 3: I think he was dating with Petongo, although they never 385 00:16:56,024 --> 00:16:58,544 Speaker 3: sort of went fully public, but they were kind of public. Yeah, 386 00:16:58,544 --> 00:17:00,624 Speaker 3: and apparently that's fizzled out, and I just. 387 00:17:00,664 --> 00:17:02,704 Speaker 1: So I think, Yeah, I think once he separated from 388 00:17:02,744 --> 00:17:05,024 Speaker 1: his wife because they had such a beautiful, like red 389 00:17:05,064 --> 00:17:07,384 Speaker 1: carpet relationship. He was always all over her and it 390 00:17:07,424 --> 00:17:09,784 Speaker 1: was really gorgeous. And then they went through that very 391 00:17:09,904 --> 00:17:13,104 Speaker 1: very content just separation. He ended up with Lupete and 392 00:17:13,184 --> 00:17:18,864 Speaker 1: Yongo and then their divorce got really really ugly. That's right, 393 00:17:18,904 --> 00:17:21,304 Speaker 1: And now it's all coming back to me. It's flooding, yass. 394 00:17:21,704 --> 00:17:22,504 Speaker 1: That's not nice. 395 00:17:22,584 --> 00:17:23,824 Speaker 2: No, it's not nice. 396 00:17:23,824 --> 00:17:25,904 Speaker 3: And also some of the stuff that Jodie turners not 397 00:17:25,944 --> 00:17:27,904 Speaker 3: to completely turn the this is what it's held when 398 00:17:27,944 --> 00:17:29,424 Speaker 3: stuff comes about your crush. 399 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:30,584 Speaker 2: And this is why I feel like sometimes I have 400 00:17:30,584 --> 00:17:31,424 Speaker 2: too much information. 401 00:17:31,464 --> 00:17:33,784 Speaker 3: But I am on Jodie Turners's side that he kind 402 00:17:33,784 --> 00:17:35,904 Speaker 3: of really love bombed her and that was really an 403 00:17:35,944 --> 00:17:36,704 Speaker 3: intense situation. 404 00:17:36,824 --> 00:17:38,344 Speaker 2: So anyway, I hope those guys can work it out, 405 00:17:38,384 --> 00:17:39,704 Speaker 2: especially because their daughter is involved. 406 00:17:39,744 --> 00:17:42,064 Speaker 3: But yes, as far as we know, Joshua Jackson is 407 00:17:42,104 --> 00:17:44,304 Speaker 3: out in the town, footloose and fancy free, in need 408 00:17:44,304 --> 00:17:46,504 Speaker 3: of a job, and potentially he hit up his old 409 00:17:46,504 --> 00:17:49,144 Speaker 3: friend Katie Holmes, who's now a Hollywood power player, and 410 00:17:49,184 --> 00:17:51,704 Speaker 3: I just love that that's where we've ended up in life, Nana. 411 00:17:52,824 --> 00:17:55,704 Speaker 1: In the opening of this I mentioned that Pedro Posco 412 00:17:55,784 --> 00:17:57,424 Speaker 1: might be in a little bit of trouble, and I 413 00:17:57,424 --> 00:17:59,224 Speaker 1: think I maybe over exaggerated it. 414 00:17:59,344 --> 00:18:01,464 Speaker 3: I did lean forward in my seat and I was like, wait, 415 00:18:01,504 --> 00:18:03,344 Speaker 3: do I not know what's coming in this podcast? 416 00:18:03,504 --> 00:18:05,584 Speaker 1: No, it's not as bad as I've made it out 417 00:18:05,624 --> 00:18:07,584 Speaker 1: to me, but it really feels as bad as that 418 00:18:08,384 --> 00:18:08,624 Speaker 1: to me. 419 00:18:08,984 --> 00:18:12,184 Speaker 3: Yes, So, as we know, Pedro Pascal is on a 420 00:18:12,224 --> 00:18:15,184 Speaker 3: big global press tour at the moment for the Fantastic 421 00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:17,464 Speaker 3: four First Steps, which is coming in and cinemas this week, 422 00:18:17,744 --> 00:18:19,904 Speaker 3: to the point where he even appeared on this podcast. 423 00:18:20,304 --> 00:18:22,184 Speaker 1: He did you interview him last week? And I really 424 00:18:22,264 --> 00:18:23,304 Speaker 1: did so much. 425 00:18:23,184 --> 00:18:25,384 Speaker 3: He touched his hand and he touched his shoulder, just 426 00:18:25,384 --> 00:18:27,024 Speaker 3: just because people have been asking, and I was just 427 00:18:27,064 --> 00:18:28,104 Speaker 3: like that, that's what happened. 428 00:18:28,464 --> 00:18:30,584 Speaker 2: And so we did a follow and get into the whole. 429 00:18:30,424 --> 00:18:33,104 Speaker 3: Emotional of the interview and him crying all that sort 430 00:18:33,144 --> 00:18:34,944 Speaker 3: of stuff. We did a full podcast on that where 431 00:18:34,944 --> 00:18:37,424 Speaker 3: I've recapped every single second along with the interview, so 432 00:18:37,424 --> 00:18:39,384 Speaker 3: we'll pop that in the show notes. But as they're 433 00:18:39,384 --> 00:18:41,904 Speaker 3: on this huge global press tour, it's one of those 434 00:18:41,904 --> 00:18:44,224 Speaker 3: things where it becomes it's like the Superman press tour 435 00:18:44,264 --> 00:18:45,984 Speaker 3: that we've just gone through, or any other like you know, 436 00:18:46,144 --> 00:18:49,344 Speaker 3: when Zendea is doing challenges or something, it becomes all encompassing. 437 00:18:49,704 --> 00:18:52,944 Speaker 3: It takes over the front page of every entertainment news site. 438 00:18:52,984 --> 00:18:54,624 Speaker 2: It fills all of our news feeds. It feels like 439 00:18:54,704 --> 00:18:55,384 Speaker 2: TikTok feeds. 440 00:18:55,384 --> 00:18:57,144 Speaker 3: It's what people are talking about, which is the whole 441 00:18:57,144 --> 00:18:59,184 Speaker 3: point of a press tour is to get all eyes 442 00:18:59,304 --> 00:19:01,904 Speaker 3: on the actors so that you go and watch the movie. 443 00:19:02,184 --> 00:19:04,984 Speaker 3: And normally with Pedro Pascal, especially in the last couple 444 00:19:05,024 --> 00:19:06,944 Speaker 3: of years, since the Last of Us and since his 445 00:19:07,144 --> 00:19:10,224 Speaker 3: like fame really took off, it's been this all encompassing 446 00:19:10,744 --> 00:19:13,144 Speaker 3: love people love him, people are attracted to him, people 447 00:19:13,184 --> 00:19:15,024 Speaker 3: think he's brilliant. I feel like that's very much being 448 00:19:15,024 --> 00:19:15,544 Speaker 3: the vibe. 449 00:19:15,784 --> 00:19:17,704 Speaker 1: Yes, and that's exactly how I feel, and I will 450 00:19:17,744 --> 00:19:18,544 Speaker 1: hear anything. 451 00:19:18,264 --> 00:19:19,544 Speaker 2: Else well, that's how I feel too. 452 00:19:19,624 --> 00:19:21,744 Speaker 3: I'm shutting this down right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean 453 00:19:21,744 --> 00:19:23,224 Speaker 3: that's kind of why I wanted to address it, because 454 00:19:23,224 --> 00:19:24,624 Speaker 3: I just want to have a stern talking to to 455 00:19:24,664 --> 00:19:26,904 Speaker 3: some corners of the Internet. So as we've been putting 456 00:19:26,904 --> 00:19:29,704 Speaker 3: all of our content out around Pedro Pascal around, like 457 00:19:29,744 --> 00:19:32,224 Speaker 3: all of our interview clips now YouTube clip and our podcast, 458 00:19:32,624 --> 00:19:35,304 Speaker 3: I've been really going through the comments on both the 459 00:19:35,344 --> 00:19:37,104 Speaker 3: content that we've put out and the content that other 460 00:19:37,144 --> 00:19:39,544 Speaker 3: journalists have put out, and I've just noticed that the 461 00:19:39,624 --> 00:19:41,024 Speaker 3: tide is starting. 462 00:19:40,664 --> 00:19:43,424 Speaker 2: To turn a little bit on Pedro Pascal. 463 00:19:43,904 --> 00:19:47,224 Speaker 3: And obviously in interviews and on ray carpets and everything, 464 00:19:47,584 --> 00:19:52,264 Speaker 3: he's very emotional. He gets very emotional talking to fans, 465 00:19:52,344 --> 00:19:54,864 Speaker 3: which again fair enough because I've seen it with my 466 00:19:54,904 --> 00:19:57,744 Speaker 3: own eyes now up closed, people just dissolve into tears 467 00:19:58,144 --> 00:20:00,504 Speaker 3: and hysterics when they're near him. I've seen him get 468 00:20:00,544 --> 00:20:03,704 Speaker 3: emotional interviews, but mainly he also gets very emotional with 469 00:20:03,784 --> 00:20:06,504 Speaker 3: his cast mates, We've seen that with Bala Ramsey, they 470 00:20:06,504 --> 00:20:09,104 Speaker 3: were very close. We've seen it with other female cast mates, 471 00:20:09,544 --> 00:20:12,264 Speaker 3: you know, not just female, but usually it's like a 472 00:20:12,384 --> 00:20:14,384 Speaker 3: male and femalely in a lot of these kind of 473 00:20:14,384 --> 00:20:17,864 Speaker 3: big projects where he walks down the red carpet holding 474 00:20:17,904 --> 00:20:19,824 Speaker 3: onto their arms and they hug each other. And we're 475 00:20:19,864 --> 00:20:22,424 Speaker 3: seeing that a lot with him and Vanessa Kirby at 476 00:20:22,424 --> 00:20:24,344 Speaker 3: the moment, and that kind of like they're always very 477 00:20:24,344 --> 00:20:25,464 Speaker 3: physically entangled. 478 00:20:25,584 --> 00:20:28,384 Speaker 1: Yes, Now, some of the feedback has been, oh my god, 479 00:20:28,424 --> 00:20:32,264 Speaker 1: he's creepy. Why is he doing this? And I have 480 00:20:32,344 --> 00:20:36,824 Speaker 1: a theory about this. Pedro Pascal. Pedro Pascal was born 481 00:20:36,864 --> 00:20:46,744 Speaker 1: in Chile. Chile, South America culturally a more physically intimate culture, right. 482 00:20:47,224 --> 00:20:51,744 Speaker 1: I come from a cultural background where physicality is also 483 00:20:51,824 --> 00:20:54,864 Speaker 1: a little bit more accepted. Men kiss each other on 484 00:20:54,904 --> 00:20:57,784 Speaker 1: the cheek to say hello, Women will hold like it 485 00:20:57,824 --> 00:21:02,344 Speaker 1: is as a very culturally open and physical and I think, 486 00:21:02,504 --> 00:21:04,944 Speaker 1: and I hope I'm not overstepping here. That is my 487 00:21:05,104 --> 00:21:08,024 Speaker 1: interpretation of a lot of South American cultures as well. 488 00:21:08,504 --> 00:21:11,744 Speaker 1: And you kept saying emotional, emotional moment, and I think, again, 489 00:21:11,864 --> 00:21:15,944 Speaker 1: that's just the way that men in a South American 490 00:21:15,984 --> 00:21:20,144 Speaker 1: culture in Chilean culture would express themselves. That is the 491 00:21:20,184 --> 00:21:23,864 Speaker 1: way he was brought up. So I've actually been accused 492 00:21:23,904 --> 00:21:27,144 Speaker 1: of being too physical with people in the past as well. 493 00:21:27,664 --> 00:21:30,624 Speaker 1: I remember one time I did an interview and I 494 00:21:30,744 --> 00:21:33,824 Speaker 1: do a lot of like touching and hand like oh 495 00:21:33,864 --> 00:21:36,424 Speaker 1: my god, and I'll put my hand on someone's knee 496 00:21:36,464 --> 00:21:39,504 Speaker 1: if I'm closer to them, And I remember getting comments 497 00:21:39,544 --> 00:21:41,944 Speaker 1: on one of my interviews being like, oh my god, 498 00:21:41,984 --> 00:21:43,864 Speaker 1: that is so inappropriate. You shouldn't be touching them. And 499 00:21:43,904 --> 00:21:46,624 Speaker 1: I was like, first of all, I don't mean to 500 00:21:46,664 --> 00:21:49,904 Speaker 1: be overstepping, but that's just the way that I express 501 00:21:49,984 --> 00:21:53,504 Speaker 1: myself and sometimes maybe I am too physical. My interpretation 502 00:21:53,584 --> 00:21:56,864 Speaker 1: of that is that where he's coming from, too, it 503 00:21:56,984 --> 00:22:00,024 Speaker 1: is the way that he expresses himself. And the fact 504 00:22:00,024 --> 00:22:02,304 Speaker 1: that we haven't heard anything negative from any of his 505 00:22:02,384 --> 00:22:05,624 Speaker 1: female coastars saying that they feel uncomfortable with it, and 506 00:22:05,664 --> 00:22:10,224 Speaker 1: it is someone projecting their interpretation of it onto him. 507 00:22:10,904 --> 00:22:12,904 Speaker 1: That's where it bothers me a little bit. We're not 508 00:22:12,984 --> 00:22:15,904 Speaker 1: hearing direct from the horse's mouth, Yeah, we are hearing 509 00:22:15,944 --> 00:22:19,584 Speaker 1: from people observing this who potentially could be from a 510 00:22:19,624 --> 00:22:24,944 Speaker 1: culture where maybe their touching isn't as normal maybe in 511 00:22:25,304 --> 00:22:30,344 Speaker 1: like Australian culture, in American culture, that physicality isn't as 512 00:22:30,384 --> 00:22:34,464 Speaker 1: common and is often seen as overstepping. That is my 513 00:22:34,504 --> 00:22:35,384 Speaker 1: interpretation of it. 514 00:22:35,544 --> 00:22:37,504 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's definitely a cultural thing. I think 515 00:22:37,544 --> 00:22:39,024 Speaker 3: the other thing is like a lot of actors too, 516 00:22:39,104 --> 00:22:40,704 Speaker 3: Like we put them up to be these like sexy 517 00:22:40,744 --> 00:22:42,264 Speaker 3: movie stars, but they are also just a lot of 518 00:22:42,344 --> 00:22:44,704 Speaker 3: emotional odd balls who come from theater groups, who come 519 00:22:44,704 --> 00:22:46,384 Speaker 3: from improv, who come from you. 520 00:22:46,424 --> 00:22:48,144 Speaker 2: Know, that kind of world. I mean. 521 00:22:48,184 --> 00:22:49,504 Speaker 3: The other thing is like I don't want to kind 522 00:22:49,504 --> 00:22:52,184 Speaker 3: of blow up a few comments on the Internet, because 523 00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:55,384 Speaker 3: no matter how long someone has been famous or like 524 00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:57,384 Speaker 3: how much the world loves them, there's always going to 525 00:22:57,424 --> 00:22:59,784 Speaker 3: be a sprinkling of bad comments about everyone. I think 526 00:22:59,784 --> 00:23:02,984 Speaker 3: what's interesting about this is just the volume of them, 527 00:23:03,024 --> 00:23:06,584 Speaker 3: Like I'm talking two thousand comments, all on different videos, 528 00:23:06,624 --> 00:23:09,544 Speaker 3: all kind of having this big conversation. How it's kind 529 00:23:09,544 --> 00:23:12,704 Speaker 3: of trying to filter into different areas of different fandoms 530 00:23:13,264 --> 00:23:16,104 Speaker 3: is what I kind of think is interesting. Around the 531 00:23:16,384 --> 00:23:18,504 Speaker 3: universal love of this man, and now we have a 532 00:23:18,504 --> 00:23:20,744 Speaker 3: subsection of people who were just like and I don't 533 00:23:20,744 --> 00:23:22,784 Speaker 3: even think that many people think he's been like overly 534 00:23:22,824 --> 00:23:24,744 Speaker 3: creepy or anything like that. People are saying that he's 535 00:23:24,984 --> 00:23:27,744 Speaker 3: turning it on for the cameras, or that he's being 536 00:23:27,864 --> 00:23:30,744 Speaker 3: overly touchy feely as a way to like assert dominance. 537 00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:33,864 Speaker 3: Like the thing is, there's so many different theories flooding around, 538 00:23:34,344 --> 00:23:36,464 Speaker 3: and I think some of it is coming from too 539 00:23:36,504 --> 00:23:39,224 Speaker 3: that he's now the elite of like this big action franchise, 540 00:23:39,264 --> 00:23:41,904 Speaker 3: like a lead in Marvel, and back in the day 541 00:23:41,944 --> 00:23:43,944 Speaker 3: for a lot of Marvel movies, it was like these 542 00:23:44,064 --> 00:23:48,224 Speaker 3: very kind of like yeah, mucho old school Hollywood action 543 00:23:48,464 --> 00:23:50,544 Speaker 3: stars and you go into a junker and they just 544 00:23:50,624 --> 00:23:52,344 Speaker 3: be sitting there being really dominant, and they would be 545 00:23:52,344 --> 00:23:54,504 Speaker 3: like nice to their female co star, but they wouldn't 546 00:23:54,824 --> 00:23:58,944 Speaker 3: have this very emotional attachment, whereas when I walked into 547 00:23:59,024 --> 00:24:01,424 Speaker 3: interview Pedro Pascal and Nasa Kirby and a lot of 548 00:24:01,504 --> 00:24:03,824 Speaker 3: journalists had that they're sitting very close together. His head 549 00:24:03,864 --> 00:24:06,264 Speaker 3: is like resting on her shoulder, he's got his arm 550 00:24:06,304 --> 00:24:08,504 Speaker 3: around her. They're hugging. But I also just think that 551 00:24:08,504 --> 00:24:11,424 Speaker 3: that is their dynamic. And also Drop Pascal has talked 552 00:24:11,464 --> 00:24:13,824 Speaker 3: in a lot of interviews, because this isn't the first 553 00:24:13,864 --> 00:24:15,984 Speaker 3: time this people have brought up before of like sometimes 554 00:24:15,984 --> 00:24:17,784 Speaker 3: why he puts his hand on his stomach or why 555 00:24:17,824 --> 00:24:20,424 Speaker 3: he holds his own co stars. And he's talked about 556 00:24:20,464 --> 00:24:23,104 Speaker 3: having a lot of anxiety, which I'm sure people think, like, 557 00:24:23,344 --> 00:24:25,304 Speaker 3: but you're a huge superstar, Like why do you get 558 00:24:25,344 --> 00:24:28,024 Speaker 3: anxiety around crowds? And I think he's the kind of 559 00:24:28,064 --> 00:24:29,864 Speaker 3: person who can kind of be okay in front of 560 00:24:29,904 --> 00:24:32,304 Speaker 3: a big crowd, but when you're in an interview, or 561 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:34,984 Speaker 3: you're being interviewed on stage, or you're interacting with fans 562 00:24:34,984 --> 00:24:37,384 Speaker 3: on a line, you're your social anxiety really hits you. 563 00:24:37,784 --> 00:24:39,584 Speaker 3: And I think he's alluded to this, But also I 564 00:24:39,624 --> 00:24:42,304 Speaker 3: think it's true that he holds onto his co stars, 565 00:24:42,344 --> 00:24:45,984 Speaker 3: if he's really close with them, to help ease his anxiety. 566 00:24:46,024 --> 00:24:47,144 Speaker 3: It's like a coping mechanism. 567 00:24:47,224 --> 00:24:49,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost like a weighted blanket, you know, like 568 00:24:49,424 --> 00:24:51,664 Speaker 1: having that support to kind of help you through. I 569 00:24:51,664 --> 00:24:54,744 Speaker 1: think it's also important to note that Petro Pascal has 570 00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:57,224 Speaker 1: been I'm not going to use the term over exposed, 571 00:24:57,264 --> 00:25:01,704 Speaker 1: but he has been really his star has risen significantly 572 00:25:02,144 --> 00:25:04,264 Speaker 1: in the last few years, particularly since Game of Thrones. 573 00:25:04,264 --> 00:25:06,504 Speaker 1: But you know, we look at him, he was on 574 00:25:06,584 --> 00:25:09,784 Speaker 1: Narco's Game of Thrones. Those were kind of supporting characters. Now, 575 00:25:09,824 --> 00:25:11,704 Speaker 1: over the last few years, has now gone into the 576 00:25:11,784 --> 00:25:14,944 Speaker 1: leading man role, which can be quite overwhelming. He spent 577 00:25:14,984 --> 00:25:19,104 Speaker 1: the first two decades of his career in smaller roles, 578 00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:23,384 Speaker 1: in Spanish speaking roles. His star has kind of shot 579 00:25:23,464 --> 00:25:26,344 Speaker 1: up overnight, even though he's been acting for a very 580 00:25:26,424 --> 00:25:29,264 Speaker 1: very long time, so I think that that could be 581 00:25:29,384 --> 00:25:33,424 Speaker 1: quite overwhelming. I also think what you said before about 582 00:25:33,504 --> 00:25:37,424 Speaker 1: actors being emotional beings is very very true. The best actors, 583 00:25:38,224 --> 00:25:40,024 Speaker 1: and I know this sounds kind of wanky, but it's 584 00:25:40,064 --> 00:25:43,264 Speaker 1: one hundred percent true. The best actors have their emotions 585 00:25:43,304 --> 00:25:47,224 Speaker 1: on the surface. They are not going to be repressed people. 586 00:25:47,264 --> 00:25:50,424 Speaker 1: They are because they need to. Again, I know this 587 00:25:50,464 --> 00:25:53,584 Speaker 1: sounds really really pretentious, but it's very very true. They 588 00:25:53,624 --> 00:25:56,944 Speaker 1: need to be able to access those emotions very quickly 589 00:25:57,104 --> 00:26:01,464 Speaker 1: and tune in with them very quickly. So being emotional 590 00:26:01,544 --> 00:26:04,864 Speaker 1: and being a bit sort of on the surface, whether 591 00:26:04,944 --> 00:26:09,304 Speaker 1: that comes out in passion or anger or you know, physicality, 592 00:26:09,744 --> 00:26:12,264 Speaker 1: I think that is part of what makes an actor 593 00:26:12,944 --> 00:26:16,864 Speaker 1: a really great actor. And make no mistake, Pedro Pascal 594 00:26:17,024 --> 00:26:20,664 Speaker 1: is an incredible performer, and I think that's just the 595 00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:25,744 Speaker 1: way that he manages that kind of surface level energy, 596 00:26:26,024 --> 00:26:29,144 Speaker 1: So I will defend him into the ground. But we 597 00:26:29,264 --> 00:26:32,584 Speaker 1: have seen this before with actors where they kind of 598 00:26:32,624 --> 00:26:35,344 Speaker 1: have become the darling of the media and then all 599 00:26:35,424 --> 00:26:37,144 Speaker 1: of a sudden people kind of go, oh God, I'm 600 00:26:37,224 --> 00:26:39,744 Speaker 1: so sick of this, and I think it is a 601 00:26:39,744 --> 00:26:42,504 Speaker 1: bit of overexposure. But you know, we saw this very 602 00:26:42,584 --> 00:26:44,704 Speaker 1: very clearly with Jennifer Lawrence. You know, she was the 603 00:26:44,824 --> 00:26:48,064 Speaker 1: darling of the Red Carpet. She was goofy, she fell over, 604 00:26:48,304 --> 00:26:51,704 Speaker 1: you know, walking up in twenty thirteen to accept her oscar, 605 00:26:52,504 --> 00:26:55,264 Speaker 1: and then people kind of went, Okay, I'm really sick 606 00:26:55,304 --> 00:26:57,424 Speaker 1: of this. Now she's putting it on, and it went 607 00:26:57,664 --> 00:27:01,744 Speaker 1: well flipped same thing with like a Chris Pratt. He 608 00:27:01,984 --> 00:27:06,304 Speaker 1: was the goofy, silly, you know guy in Parks and 609 00:27:06,424 --> 00:27:10,504 Speaker 1: rec and then he became this big action star is 610 00:27:10,584 --> 00:27:13,824 Speaker 1: Siic Park, got into the Galaxy, and then they got 611 00:27:13,824 --> 00:27:16,864 Speaker 1: all that flak from the Passengers movie. Remember how it 612 00:27:16,904 --> 00:27:19,544 Speaker 1: was like a bit of a weird, creepy storyline in 613 00:27:19,584 --> 00:27:22,424 Speaker 1: the end, and now his star is kind of people 614 00:27:22,464 --> 00:27:24,744 Speaker 1: are like kind of sick of that. So we've seen 615 00:27:24,784 --> 00:27:26,584 Speaker 1: it happen a couple of times, and I think it's 616 00:27:26,584 --> 00:27:31,144 Speaker 1: because when the media and people fall in love with someone, 617 00:27:31,504 --> 00:27:33,944 Speaker 1: they just go up and up, up, up up, and 618 00:27:33,984 --> 00:27:36,584 Speaker 1: then it's a bit of that tall poppy syndrome as 619 00:27:36,584 --> 00:27:38,504 Speaker 1: well that we see a lot of in Australia. But 620 00:27:38,624 --> 00:27:40,864 Speaker 1: people like na, you're two big for your boots. 621 00:27:40,544 --> 00:27:42,064 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, I think, I think. 622 00:27:42,104 --> 00:27:44,064 Speaker 3: I think a lot of this the onus is more 623 00:27:44,104 --> 00:27:46,784 Speaker 3: on the viewers more so than the actor, because we 624 00:27:46,824 --> 00:27:48,904 Speaker 3: do we do have that thing of becoming overly attached 625 00:27:48,904 --> 00:27:52,264 Speaker 3: to a person, even just making our own press and 626 00:27:52,344 --> 00:27:55,024 Speaker 3: making fan adits and things and then tiring of them, 627 00:27:55,104 --> 00:27:57,304 Speaker 3: and so a lot of people when they saw this 628 00:27:57,424 --> 00:28:00,904 Speaker 3: first round of Fantastic four press come out, we're just like, oh, 629 00:28:00,944 --> 00:28:02,904 Speaker 3: I've got fatigue already, or he's putting it on. I'm 630 00:28:02,944 --> 00:28:05,144 Speaker 3: so over this, I'm so over this stick. And it's 631 00:28:05,184 --> 00:28:07,744 Speaker 3: like a lot of it is coming from fans, not 632 00:28:07,824 --> 00:28:09,824 Speaker 3: so much from him, So I just think it. Yeah, 633 00:28:09,824 --> 00:28:12,704 Speaker 3: it's very interesting also to see the tide turning so quickly, 634 00:28:12,744 --> 00:28:15,824 Speaker 3: I think just because of how we consume media at 635 00:28:15,864 --> 00:28:18,944 Speaker 3: the moment, Like someone like a Jennifer Lawrence like that 636 00:28:19,064 --> 00:28:21,464 Speaker 3: took a few years for that tide to really turn 637 00:28:21,504 --> 00:28:24,064 Speaker 3: on her. The same thing even happened to an extent 638 00:28:24,104 --> 00:28:26,864 Speaker 3: with like Anne Hathaway and Amy Schumer, Like it's mostly women, 639 00:28:26,904 --> 00:28:29,344 Speaker 3: which is also the interesting thing is that we have 640 00:28:29,504 --> 00:28:33,064 Speaker 3: these huge they become this beloved girl and then the 641 00:28:33,184 --> 00:28:35,664 Speaker 3: crash is so big, And it's just interesting that, like 642 00:28:35,824 --> 00:28:38,304 Speaker 3: so early on, I can almost see the crash coming 643 00:28:38,304 --> 00:28:40,944 Speaker 3: for Pedro and I hope it doesn't eventuate, but like 644 00:28:41,344 --> 00:28:43,704 Speaker 3: thousands and thousands and thousands of comments does make me 645 00:28:43,744 --> 00:28:45,824 Speaker 3: feel like there's corners of the Internet that are going 646 00:28:45,824 --> 00:28:46,184 Speaker 3: that way. 647 00:28:46,424 --> 00:28:48,984 Speaker 1: I think maybe then after Fantastic four, he should just 648 00:28:49,024 --> 00:28:51,584 Speaker 1: like take a little break, maybe just take a step back. 649 00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:54,264 Speaker 3: Well, he's in the middle of filming the new Avengers movies, 650 00:28:54,344 --> 00:28:56,504 Speaker 3: I know, Like the man's booked and busy. Like I 651 00:28:56,544 --> 00:28:58,424 Speaker 3: know he's so but I feel like even if he 652 00:28:58,464 --> 00:29:02,104 Speaker 3: steps off the red carpet and he's not actively doing press, 653 00:29:02,264 --> 00:29:06,104 Speaker 3: the fan edits and the videos and people like, you know, 654 00:29:06,184 --> 00:29:07,984 Speaker 3: he was just walking outside of Jim and La the 655 00:29:07,984 --> 00:29:09,904 Speaker 3: other day and tipped his coffee out into a plant 656 00:29:09,904 --> 00:29:12,344 Speaker 3: and there was fifty thousand videos about it and people 657 00:29:12,424 --> 00:29:14,224 Speaker 3: closing it in his face and stuff. It's just like 658 00:29:14,224 --> 00:29:16,344 Speaker 3: I feel like even if he's not courting it, it's 659 00:29:16,384 --> 00:29:17,104 Speaker 3: still going to happen. 660 00:29:17,264 --> 00:29:19,704 Speaker 1: I know. I feel like I'm about to have a 661 00:29:19,744 --> 00:29:24,064 Speaker 1: Britney Star leave Britney Alone moment with theirs if people 662 00:29:24,104 --> 00:29:27,144 Speaker 1: don't stop, because like he is a darling, can we 663 00:29:27,264 --> 00:29:30,224 Speaker 1: not bring him down? Like he's you know, he's worked 664 00:29:30,224 --> 00:29:34,424 Speaker 1: his bloody ass off for many years. He didn't become 665 00:29:34,464 --> 00:29:37,424 Speaker 1: successful until he was in his forties. Like, let's let 666 00:29:37,464 --> 00:29:41,384 Speaker 1: the man have a moment, and if his co stars 667 00:29:41,424 --> 00:29:44,344 Speaker 1: are okay with it, and they're not, like Vanessa Kirby, 668 00:29:44,384 --> 00:29:46,304 Speaker 1: isn't there pushing him away or going, oh my god, 669 00:29:46,304 --> 00:29:50,024 Speaker 1: he's leaning on my shoulder and she seems very comfortable 670 00:29:50,064 --> 00:29:50,264 Speaker 1: with that. 671 00:29:50,504 --> 00:29:51,024 Speaker 2: Well exactly. 672 00:29:51,064 --> 00:29:53,744 Speaker 3: I think it's the it's their real bond and friendship 673 00:29:54,144 --> 00:29:57,224 Speaker 3: coming through, and it's hard because people love that and 674 00:29:57,224 --> 00:29:59,264 Speaker 3: the until they don't, there's just there's always a typic. 675 00:29:59,344 --> 00:30:01,104 Speaker 1: I am like one of my best friends, this guy, 676 00:30:01,184 --> 00:30:03,184 Speaker 1: and I would hold his hand and I cuddle him 677 00:30:03,224 --> 00:30:06,224 Speaker 1: and like I have like slept in a bed with him, 678 00:30:06,384 --> 00:30:09,784 Speaker 1: which my husband knows. He was like my man of 679 00:30:09,824 --> 00:30:14,624 Speaker 1: honor at my bed at my wedding. Straight straight man. Yeah, 680 00:30:14,664 --> 00:30:18,144 Speaker 1: and if me and my husband are okay with that, 681 00:30:18,304 --> 00:30:22,464 Speaker 1: and we're all okay with that relationship. Nobody else should care. 682 00:30:22,904 --> 00:30:25,864 Speaker 1: And that I feel the same thing with Pedro and Vanessa. 683 00:30:25,944 --> 00:30:29,064 Speaker 1: If they are fine and that relationship with her partner, 684 00:30:29,104 --> 00:30:34,184 Speaker 1: and now that she's pregnant, she's fine with it, leave 685 00:30:34,184 --> 00:30:34,624 Speaker 1: it alone. 686 00:30:34,904 --> 00:30:38,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, leave alone. See fantastic four. Let's just keep 687 00:30:38,224 --> 00:30:40,304 Speaker 3: it a nice place. 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