1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,914 Speaker 1: You're listening to a mom and mere podcast. 2 00:00:20,834 --> 00:00:23,393 Speaker 2: Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast parents who don't 3 00:00:23,394 --> 00:00:27,674 Speaker 2: always listen to parenting podcasts. It's news, it's culture, it's trends, 4 00:00:27,914 --> 00:00:30,914 Speaker 2: it's what parents are thinking about and talking about. 5 00:00:31,154 --> 00:00:34,674 Speaker 3: I'm Monique Bolly, I'm Amelia Lester, and I am Stacey Higgs. 6 00:00:34,874 --> 00:00:38,593 Speaker 2: And I have a confession. I am dehydrated. My four 7 00:00:38,714 --> 00:00:40,553 Speaker 2: year old said to me this morning, Mum, why is 8 00:00:40,634 --> 00:00:42,193 Speaker 2: your wee always so brown? 9 00:00:42,873 --> 00:00:44,233 Speaker 1: That's such a good note. 10 00:00:44,873 --> 00:00:47,553 Speaker 4: Because it is summer, people do need to be drinking 11 00:00:47,553 --> 00:00:50,874 Speaker 4: more fluids. And my GP told me that I need 12 00:00:50,913 --> 00:00:52,553 Speaker 4: like I got a blood test and I guess they 13 00:00:52,593 --> 00:00:55,194 Speaker 4: can kind of like check to see whether you are dehydrated, 14 00:00:55,194 --> 00:00:58,074 Speaker 4: and like, officially I am oh, you got shamed. 15 00:00:57,834 --> 00:01:00,314 Speaker 2: The blood medically dehydrated. 16 00:01:01,314 --> 00:01:04,194 Speaker 4: If I just like keel over and die during this podcast, 17 00:01:04,234 --> 00:01:05,434 Speaker 4: you'll know why to. 18 00:01:05,434 --> 00:01:05,994 Speaker 1: Drink more water. 19 00:01:06,034 --> 00:01:08,554 Speaker 3: Everyone, we've better get on with show coming up today. 20 00:01:08,754 --> 00:01:12,034 Speaker 3: What are your shameful little survival habits? We all have one, 21 00:01:12,114 --> 00:01:13,234 Speaker 3: so we're going to discuss them. 22 00:01:13,434 --> 00:01:15,594 Speaker 4: And you've heard of the food pyramid, but I've got 23 00:01:15,594 --> 00:01:18,034 Speaker 4: something called the mental health pyramid to discuss with you 24 00:01:18,114 --> 00:01:20,674 Speaker 4: and it's going to make you feel better about that issue. 25 00:01:20,874 --> 00:01:23,954 Speaker 2: Can you choose who you sit next to on a plane? 26 00:01:24,234 --> 00:01:27,514 Speaker 2: Not always, but one woman asked to be seated only 27 00:01:27,594 --> 00:01:30,274 Speaker 2: next to other women, And I want to ask, where's 28 00:01:30,354 --> 00:01:33,714 Speaker 2: the line? Could you ask not to sit next to kids? 29 00:01:34,354 --> 00:01:37,634 Speaker 3: But first, I have a crime to report. It's a 30 00:01:37,754 --> 00:01:41,594 Speaker 3: very serious matter. The alphabet song has changed and no 31 00:01:41,634 --> 00:01:42,354 Speaker 3: one told us. 32 00:01:42,394 --> 00:01:42,914 Speaker 4: What do you mean? 33 00:01:43,394 --> 00:01:45,234 Speaker 1: You know the classic ab? 34 00:01:47,194 --> 00:01:51,714 Speaker 3: Yes, that's well, teachers are now teaching that song in 35 00:01:51,754 --> 00:01:52,994 Speaker 3: a totally different way. 36 00:01:53,314 --> 00:01:54,994 Speaker 1: They have changed the song. 37 00:01:55,154 --> 00:01:56,154 Speaker 2: What the tune? 38 00:01:56,274 --> 00:01:59,834 Speaker 3: Yeah, they have changed the tune and the pattern of 39 00:01:59,874 --> 00:02:03,394 Speaker 3: how you say the letters. And it does actually make sense. 40 00:02:03,474 --> 00:02:05,554 Speaker 3: And once you hear it, I will explain why. But 41 00:02:05,634 --> 00:02:06,274 Speaker 3: take a listen. 42 00:02:06,594 --> 00:02:09,114 Speaker 1: Abe d E f g. 43 00:02:10,594 --> 00:02:14,513 Speaker 2: H I j k l M N O P q 44 00:02:15,514 --> 00:02:20,394 Speaker 2: r S T qu v w x y Z. Now 45 00:02:20,554 --> 00:02:25,474 Speaker 2: I never will forget how to say the alpha. 46 00:02:26,074 --> 00:02:30,234 Speaker 1: Bet. I hate this so much. You both looked traumatized. 47 00:02:30,794 --> 00:02:31,714 Speaker 2: I'm not okay with that. 48 00:02:32,514 --> 00:02:35,394 Speaker 1: They took out the banger, they took out element o P. 49 00:02:35,954 --> 00:02:36,874 Speaker 1: They split it up. 50 00:02:36,994 --> 00:02:40,434 Speaker 4: That always felt so good to slide down element O P. 51 00:02:40,674 --> 00:02:43,194 Speaker 1: Why are they doing this to us? What is the reason? Okay, 52 00:02:43,234 --> 00:02:44,754 Speaker 1: so there is a very specific reason. 53 00:02:44,794 --> 00:02:47,674 Speaker 3: So that was teacher Rachel Saucel, and she goes on 54 00:02:47,714 --> 00:02:50,394 Speaker 3: to explain that it's because element o P. A lot 55 00:02:50,394 --> 00:02:52,994 Speaker 3: of kids just think that's one long letter, so they'll 56 00:02:53,034 --> 00:02:54,073 Speaker 3: just say element o P. 57 00:02:54,354 --> 00:02:56,714 Speaker 1: They'll figure it out by the time they're growing up. 58 00:02:56,954 --> 00:02:58,954 Speaker 3: And the other one is that when we say X 59 00:02:59,154 --> 00:03:02,394 Speaker 3: Y and Z or y and z, some kids think, 60 00:03:02,514 --> 00:03:06,154 Speaker 3: why is y N like they run that together as well, 61 00:03:06,194 --> 00:03:09,314 Speaker 3: So that's why they changed it. I hate it, but 62 00:03:09,434 --> 00:03:11,073 Speaker 3: I hate it. It kind of makes sense. 63 00:03:11,474 --> 00:03:14,474 Speaker 2: First they took Pluto. Then do you remember when fags 64 00:03:14,514 --> 00:03:18,034 Speaker 2: got turned into fads? You know this lolly cigarettes kind 65 00:03:18,074 --> 00:03:20,594 Speaker 2: of fags anymore? And now this nothing is safe from 66 00:03:20,594 --> 00:03:21,314 Speaker 2: our childhood. 67 00:03:21,554 --> 00:03:23,754 Speaker 3: While we're on my crime round up, I have another 68 00:03:23,834 --> 00:03:27,154 Speaker 3: travesty to report, and that's that UNI students can't tell 69 00:03:27,274 --> 00:03:30,594 Speaker 3: time on an analogue clock anymore. How ancient does that 70 00:03:30,634 --> 00:03:31,194 Speaker 3: make you feel? 71 00:03:31,394 --> 00:03:34,474 Speaker 2: So I saw this kicking around in my algorithm. It's 72 00:03:34,514 --> 00:03:36,954 Speaker 2: this professor at Duke University, right. 73 00:03:36,834 --> 00:03:38,154 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Aaron Dinnan. 74 00:03:38,354 --> 00:03:40,594 Speaker 2: He's a cool professor. He's not like all the other professors. 75 00:03:40,634 --> 00:03:43,394 Speaker 2: He does lots of viral videos and the kids come 76 00:03:43,434 --> 00:03:45,234 Speaker 2: into the classroom, and he says, if you can tell 77 00:03:45,274 --> 00:03:47,714 Speaker 2: me the time on this clock, you get five more 78 00:03:47,714 --> 00:03:51,194 Speaker 2: bonus points on your GPA. 79 00:03:50,354 --> 00:03:53,234 Speaker 4: A professor of because unless it's telling the time, this 80 00:03:53,314 --> 00:03:54,594 Speaker 4: feels like TikTok clout. 81 00:03:55,434 --> 00:03:58,874 Speaker 2: He has a PhD in English, but he teaches innovation 82 00:03:59,074 --> 00:04:00,154 Speaker 2: and entrepreneurship. 83 00:04:00,514 --> 00:04:03,394 Speaker 3: Okay, so he's teaching them that they need to figure 84 00:04:03,394 --> 00:04:04,634 Speaker 3: out how to tell the time. 85 00:04:04,754 --> 00:04:06,634 Speaker 1: And it's the point that none of them do when 86 00:04:06,634 --> 00:04:07,034 Speaker 1: they come in. 87 00:04:07,274 --> 00:04:11,274 Speaker 3: It's basically crickets like one or two, but the majority 88 00:04:11,274 --> 00:04:12,874 Speaker 3: of them can't do it. But is this a great 89 00:04:12,954 --> 00:04:15,554 Speaker 3: loss or is this just like, oh, well that's gone. 90 00:04:15,834 --> 00:04:19,234 Speaker 2: I feel like people move on, Like when clocks were invented, 91 00:04:19,794 --> 00:04:22,953 Speaker 2: did people get mad that suddenly people couldn't read sun 92 00:04:23,034 --> 00:04:27,873 Speaker 2: dials anymore? What about the sun dial? Or like, is 93 00:04:27,873 --> 00:04:31,034 Speaker 2: anyone mad that we don't do calligraphy anymore? No, they're not. 94 00:04:31,154 --> 00:04:34,834 Speaker 2: Things change. Just move on. Just don't change my lmnop. 95 00:04:35,193 --> 00:04:36,313 Speaker 1: That's all counterpoint. 96 00:04:36,993 --> 00:04:40,034 Speaker 4: I found that when I started wearing a watch and 97 00:04:40,313 --> 00:04:41,914 Speaker 4: was looking at the watch instead of looking at my 98 00:04:41,993 --> 00:04:44,394 Speaker 4: phone for the time. I do think it makes you 99 00:04:44,474 --> 00:04:47,073 Speaker 4: a bit more mindful or a bit more cognizant of 100 00:04:47,193 --> 00:04:50,113 Speaker 4: how you're spending your time and of the passage of time? 101 00:04:50,274 --> 00:04:51,313 Speaker 1: Is that not possible? 102 00:04:51,953 --> 00:04:54,794 Speaker 4: Like the visual representation of it makes you think more 103 00:04:54,834 --> 00:04:57,794 Speaker 4: carefully about using it. No, you're both just looking at 104 00:04:57,794 --> 00:04:59,474 Speaker 4: the like I'm overthinking this one. 105 00:04:59,553 --> 00:05:01,234 Speaker 1: So that's let's just suck to digital. 106 00:05:02,474 --> 00:05:05,874 Speaker 4: Something's happened to kids over the last twenty years. Their 107 00:05:05,914 --> 00:05:10,113 Speaker 4: mental health has plummeted, and it can be really scary 108 00:05:10,193 --> 00:05:12,274 Speaker 4: to confront this fact. I've got lots of stats to 109 00:05:12,274 --> 00:05:13,914 Speaker 4: throw at you, but I think we all know this. 110 00:05:13,993 --> 00:05:16,313 Speaker 4: We've all read plenty of stories about it, and it's 111 00:05:16,354 --> 00:05:18,553 Speaker 4: really hard to know what to do about it when 112 00:05:18,594 --> 00:05:22,193 Speaker 4: it's so widespread. And that's why I've grabbed onto this 113 00:05:22,274 --> 00:05:26,074 Speaker 4: really cool new idea which has come from experts called 114 00:05:26,073 --> 00:05:28,873 Speaker 4: the mental health pyramid. You know how there's a food pyramid. 115 00:05:28,873 --> 00:05:31,514 Speaker 4: The mental health pyramid has been developed as a very 116 00:05:31,553 --> 00:05:35,193 Speaker 4: practical way of teaching healthy habits for the mind, and 117 00:05:35,234 --> 00:05:38,154 Speaker 4: I think it's equally beneficial for both kids and adults. 118 00:05:38,834 --> 00:05:40,753 Speaker 4: So let me break it down for you. It's from 119 00:05:40,794 --> 00:05:43,273 Speaker 4: a woman named Amy Dewell who wrote about it in 120 00:05:43,313 --> 00:05:46,833 Speaker 4: the Conversation recently, and she makes the point that when 121 00:05:46,914 --> 00:05:50,474 Speaker 4: kids are little, they have really plastic brains. Like basically, 122 00:05:50,513 --> 00:05:53,593 Speaker 4: you can teach them to think and behave however you want, 123 00:05:53,674 --> 00:05:57,234 Speaker 4: which is both exhilarating and scary to think about. They 124 00:05:57,274 --> 00:06:00,953 Speaker 4: say that this is the time to teach healthy mental 125 00:06:00,993 --> 00:06:03,234 Speaker 4: health habits that will stand them in good stead when 126 00:06:03,274 --> 00:06:06,753 Speaker 4: life inevitably throws curveballs at them. So at the very 127 00:06:06,794 --> 00:06:09,074 Speaker 4: bottom of the mental health pyramid, the things that you're 128 00:06:09,113 --> 00:06:11,393 Speaker 4: meant to eat a lot or practice a lot. We 129 00:06:11,474 --> 00:06:15,433 Speaker 4: have social connection that is the vegetables. Social connection is 130 00:06:15,513 --> 00:06:18,273 Speaker 4: connecting in person because when we connect in person, we 131 00:06:18,313 --> 00:06:21,874 Speaker 4: do this thing called synchronize, and that means your behavior 132 00:06:21,993 --> 00:06:25,393 Speaker 4: and your brain comes into harmony with other people's behavior 133 00:06:25,433 --> 00:06:28,553 Speaker 4: and brains and this makes you feel amazing. So you 134 00:06:28,594 --> 00:06:30,513 Speaker 4: need to find ways to connect with other people in 135 00:06:30,553 --> 00:06:35,194 Speaker 4: real life every day. Fruit is opportunities for positive emotions. 136 00:06:35,354 --> 00:06:37,993 Speaker 4: So this is also really important. Like obviously we're always 137 00:06:38,034 --> 00:06:41,354 Speaker 4: going to feel negative emotions from time to time, but 138 00:06:41,474 --> 00:06:44,513 Speaker 4: positive emotions, which can be everything from gratitude to joy 139 00:06:44,553 --> 00:06:48,593 Speaker 4: to curiosity, you've got to seek out opportunities to experience those. 140 00:06:48,794 --> 00:06:51,113 Speaker 4: So think of that as your fruit. Then you've got 141 00:06:51,193 --> 00:06:53,914 Speaker 4: what I think is sort of like your protein mastery. 142 00:06:54,433 --> 00:06:58,714 Speaker 4: The idea of like overcoming challenges, mastering new skills, not 143 00:06:58,794 --> 00:07:01,113 Speaker 4: doing that for any kind of reward, just for the 144 00:07:01,154 --> 00:07:04,993 Speaker 4: intrinsic joy of mastering them. And then you've got your sugar, 145 00:07:05,594 --> 00:07:07,753 Speaker 4: which is of course social media. 146 00:07:07,873 --> 00:07:08,394 Speaker 1: It makes you. 147 00:07:08,354 --> 00:07:10,994 Speaker 4: Feel bad, but it does give you that quick dopamine hit. 148 00:07:11,114 --> 00:07:13,953 Speaker 4: So you should only really be indulging in social media 149 00:07:13,953 --> 00:07:16,794 Speaker 4: in very small doses. This is genius, right, Mone's genius. 150 00:07:16,834 --> 00:07:20,594 Speaker 2: I love this. I really love it for a few reasons. 151 00:07:20,754 --> 00:07:24,314 Speaker 2: Number one, it's really easy to understand, and number two, 152 00:07:24,354 --> 00:07:27,234 Speaker 2: it's visually very simple. We were taught about the food 153 00:07:27,274 --> 00:07:31,153 Speaker 2: pyramid in primary school because it's a very simple way 154 00:07:31,154 --> 00:07:35,074 Speaker 2: to understand a concept. If you think about public health 155 00:07:35,114 --> 00:07:38,874 Speaker 2: messaging that works, it's often very simple and very visual. 156 00:07:39,314 --> 00:07:43,033 Speaker 2: So think about things like slip slop, slap life, be 157 00:07:43,154 --> 00:07:46,954 Speaker 2: in it two and five, two fruits, five vegetables a day. 158 00:07:47,194 --> 00:07:51,434 Speaker 1: If it's not on, it's not on. Kind of right, yeah, yeah. 159 00:07:51,074 --> 00:07:54,514 Speaker 2: So these are all public health messages that have really 160 00:07:54,594 --> 00:07:57,434 Speaker 2: cut through. I do want to put out there that 161 00:07:57,474 --> 00:08:00,154 Speaker 2: the food pyramid has a complicated history. 162 00:08:00,234 --> 00:08:02,514 Speaker 4: When I was looking at this, I did think to myself, 163 00:08:02,594 --> 00:08:04,394 Speaker 4: I first came across this when I was looking at 164 00:08:04,393 --> 00:08:07,754 Speaker 4: cereal boxes in the nineties and they had food pyramid 165 00:08:07,754 --> 00:08:09,273 Speaker 4: on the back, and I'm pretty sure it told me 166 00:08:09,314 --> 00:08:11,274 Speaker 4: to eat something like ten slices of bread a day. 167 00:08:11,393 --> 00:08:13,594 Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like all they were was bread, Like 168 00:08:13,754 --> 00:08:15,593 Speaker 3: that is the main message that I got, and I've 169 00:08:15,594 --> 00:08:16,634 Speaker 3: stuck to, quite. 170 00:08:16,393 --> 00:08:18,273 Speaker 1: Frankly, is a lot of bread. 171 00:08:18,314 --> 00:08:20,074 Speaker 3: And then it was kind of like fruits and veggies 172 00:08:20,074 --> 00:08:21,393 Speaker 3: were there, but it didn't look like it was a 173 00:08:21,434 --> 00:08:22,154 Speaker 3: massive portion. 174 00:08:22,393 --> 00:08:22,634 Speaker 1: Right. 175 00:08:22,834 --> 00:08:25,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a complicated history. There was all this 176 00:08:25,434 --> 00:08:28,274 Speaker 2: emphasis on bread and pasta and grains at the base, 177 00:08:28,874 --> 00:08:31,994 Speaker 2: fats and sugars right at the top. But the old 178 00:08:32,034 --> 00:08:34,674 Speaker 2: food pyramid was prone to sort of pressure from lobbyists. 179 00:08:34,714 --> 00:08:37,314 Speaker 2: So the dairy industry lobbied really hard for them to 180 00:08:37,354 --> 00:08:39,394 Speaker 2: have their own section of the pyramid, and the grain 181 00:08:39,474 --> 00:08:43,114 Speaker 2: industry also lobbied extremely hard to have that big chunk 182 00:08:43,114 --> 00:08:43,994 Speaker 2: of gos. 183 00:08:43,594 --> 00:08:46,274 Speaker 1: They won those lobbyists, yeah, and bonuses. 184 00:08:46,474 --> 00:08:49,074 Speaker 2: And remember when fats and oils were at the top, 185 00:08:49,234 --> 00:08:51,234 Speaker 2: and that led to a lot of food companies to 186 00:08:51,274 --> 00:08:54,713 Speaker 2: replace fat with sugar and starch to keep sort of 187 00:08:54,754 --> 00:08:57,474 Speaker 2: products tasty and shelf stable. And now we know that 188 00:08:57,514 --> 00:08:59,914 Speaker 2: low fat food is not sort of the best approach, 189 00:09:00,394 --> 00:09:02,994 Speaker 2: so we know more now, so the pyramid has changed 190 00:09:03,034 --> 00:09:06,154 Speaker 2: and now actually Australian dieticians don't really use the pyramid 191 00:09:06,194 --> 00:09:08,474 Speaker 2: as much. They used sort of a plate but food 192 00:09:08,474 --> 00:09:10,674 Speaker 2: pyramid at side. Let's go back to the mental health 193 00:09:10,674 --> 00:09:14,394 Speaker 2: pyramid because in researching for this topic, because I do 194 00:09:14,434 --> 00:09:16,714 Speaker 2: think this is so brilliant, I went onto the E 195 00:09:16,834 --> 00:09:19,954 Speaker 2: Safety Commissioner website. Now, the E Safety Commissioner has so 196 00:09:20,434 --> 00:09:25,394 Speaker 2: many resources for parents and kids and educators to wade through. 197 00:09:25,594 --> 00:09:29,394 Speaker 2: The website's fantastic, but it's a lot of reactionary information. 198 00:09:29,594 --> 00:09:33,314 Speaker 2: So it's helped My nudes have been shared, I'm being bullied, 199 00:09:33,314 --> 00:09:37,194 Speaker 2: I'm being trolled, catfished or scammed. This feels very preventative 200 00:09:37,274 --> 00:09:39,354 Speaker 2: to me in a mental health sense, and so I 201 00:09:39,354 --> 00:09:42,234 Speaker 2: think the actual how to balance your time online, how 202 00:09:42,274 --> 00:09:46,314 Speaker 2: to have a healthy approach to your mental health, seems 203 00:09:46,394 --> 00:09:49,474 Speaker 2: kind of buried, which maybe goes to show it's not 204 00:09:49,594 --> 00:09:52,794 Speaker 2: as prevalent, it's not as much as a priority. This 205 00:09:52,874 --> 00:09:55,114 Speaker 2: makes it very simple. Let's put the pyramid everywhere. 206 00:09:55,314 --> 00:09:59,474 Speaker 4: Yeah, I never even thought about mental health hygiene as 207 00:09:59,514 --> 00:10:02,914 Speaker 4: a concept. This idea that you can instill habits in 208 00:10:03,074 --> 00:10:06,314 Speaker 4: kids that will help them deal with difficult situations later 209 00:10:06,354 --> 00:10:06,674 Speaker 4: in life. 210 00:10:06,834 --> 00:10:09,794 Speaker 3: You yeah, cross though, because I feel like now for 211 00:10:09,954 --> 00:10:12,514 Speaker 3: younger kids, it's more of a focus on emotion, don't 212 00:10:12,514 --> 00:10:14,474 Speaker 3: you feel like it's very much like you've had big 213 00:10:14,514 --> 00:10:16,834 Speaker 3: feelings and how do we bring your feelings down and 214 00:10:16,994 --> 00:10:19,074 Speaker 3: how do you breathe through that? But it's not really 215 00:10:19,074 --> 00:10:22,674 Speaker 3: about like their mental health and the longevity of that. Like, 216 00:10:22,954 --> 00:10:25,114 Speaker 3: I'm interested what you guys think in terms of how 217 00:10:25,194 --> 00:10:28,034 Speaker 3: early we would bring this in though, because mental health 218 00:10:28,074 --> 00:10:29,634 Speaker 3: is one of those things that's a bit scary to 219 00:10:29,674 --> 00:10:32,354 Speaker 3: think about the fact that your child might ever struggle 220 00:10:32,394 --> 00:10:32,714 Speaker 3: with it. 221 00:10:32,834 --> 00:10:34,874 Speaker 1: So when do you bring this in? 222 00:10:34,954 --> 00:10:36,874 Speaker 3: Like we're talking to them about food so much earlier, 223 00:10:36,914 --> 00:10:39,314 Speaker 3: but what would be an appropriate spot? I think it's 224 00:10:39,354 --> 00:10:41,794 Speaker 3: a great question, and I did just want to step 225 00:10:41,834 --> 00:10:44,594 Speaker 3: back a bit and talk about why it's so urgent 226 00:10:44,674 --> 00:10:45,634 Speaker 3: to think about this. 227 00:10:45,994 --> 00:10:49,234 Speaker 4: Just two stats to share with you. Nearly fifty percent 228 00:10:49,314 --> 00:10:52,994 Speaker 4: of young Australian women today have a diagnostic level condition 229 00:10:53,354 --> 00:10:56,874 Speaker 4: to do with mental health. Another really striking stat is 230 00:10:56,874 --> 00:10:59,394 Speaker 4: that in two thousand and seven, fifteen percent of young 231 00:10:59,434 --> 00:11:02,874 Speaker 4: people had anxiety, and now it's doubled. 232 00:11:02,914 --> 00:11:05,274 Speaker 1: It's thirty two percent, which feels like a lot. 233 00:11:05,874 --> 00:11:08,554 Speaker 4: I've started reading a book which I've recommended before on 234 00:11:08,594 --> 00:11:11,314 Speaker 4: this podcast called The Crucial Years, which is about the 235 00:11:11,354 --> 00:11:15,514 Speaker 4: age before puberty basically, which is from ages six to twelve, 236 00:11:15,754 --> 00:11:18,794 Speaker 4: and it's written by clinical psychologists. That book makes the 237 00:11:18,834 --> 00:11:22,354 Speaker 4: point that this is the age group in which you 238 00:11:22,554 --> 00:11:25,594 Speaker 4: want to be starting to think about mental health issues 239 00:11:25,634 --> 00:11:28,354 Speaker 4: and being proactive about them, which struck me as early, 240 00:11:28,554 --> 00:11:32,034 Speaker 4: but I guess it's because we are seeing younger people 241 00:11:32,114 --> 00:11:36,354 Speaker 4: grapple with these really tough issues from an earlier age 242 00:11:36,394 --> 00:11:38,514 Speaker 4: these days. Does that seem early to you, moms, or 243 00:11:38,514 --> 00:11:39,674 Speaker 4: does that seem about right? 244 00:11:40,034 --> 00:11:41,994 Speaker 2: I think it's about right. I think the sooner we 245 00:11:42,074 --> 00:11:45,314 Speaker 2: can talk to kids about this the better, in the 246 00:11:45,314 --> 00:11:47,274 Speaker 2: way that, as you said, Stacy, we start to talk 247 00:11:47,314 --> 00:11:50,234 Speaker 2: to them about nutrition and other things. And I think 248 00:11:50,274 --> 00:11:53,634 Speaker 2: that there are educators out there who are doing this, 249 00:11:53,914 --> 00:11:57,354 Speaker 2: but there isn't a coordinated, concerted effort. And maybe it's 250 00:11:57,394 --> 00:12:01,754 Speaker 2: out there, but I cannot see a top level approach 251 00:12:01,834 --> 00:12:05,354 Speaker 2: to this from a federal government, and that worries me. 252 00:12:05,594 --> 00:12:08,394 Speaker 2: I'm really happy to be proved wrong. But the government 253 00:12:08,474 --> 00:12:11,874 Speaker 2: has the National Preventative Health Strategy, right, which is this 254 00:12:12,034 --> 00:12:17,114 Speaker 2: huge strategy that's trying to curb illness, disease and injury 255 00:12:17,474 --> 00:12:20,394 Speaker 2: in Australia over the next kind of ten years because 256 00:12:20,394 --> 00:12:22,274 Speaker 2: our health system is kind of under a lot of pressure, 257 00:12:22,474 --> 00:12:26,354 Speaker 2: and their focus areas are really interesting. It's about reducing 258 00:12:26,594 --> 00:12:33,754 Speaker 2: tobacco use, improving nutrition and diet, increasing physical activity, increasing 259 00:12:33,874 --> 00:12:39,634 Speaker 2: cancer screening and prevention, increasing immunization coverage, reducing alcohol and 260 00:12:39,674 --> 00:12:44,114 Speaker 2: other drug carb Where is the mental health angle. I'm 261 00:12:44,154 --> 00:12:46,674 Speaker 2: sure it's in there, but I wonder whether it needs 262 00:12:46,714 --> 00:12:49,234 Speaker 2: to be high or maybe in the scope of all 263 00:12:49,234 --> 00:12:51,674 Speaker 2: the health problems that we have in Australia, mental health 264 00:12:51,714 --> 00:12:53,674 Speaker 2: does feel like it's kind of low on the list. 265 00:12:54,074 --> 00:12:56,834 Speaker 4: I think they would respond and say the federal government 266 00:12:56,874 --> 00:12:59,154 Speaker 4: would say that this is part of why they push 267 00:12:59,274 --> 00:13:02,754 Speaker 4: so hard for the social media ban across so many 268 00:13:02,954 --> 00:13:06,994 Speaker 4: social media platforms. But an emerging school of thought within 269 00:13:07,354 --> 00:13:11,554 Speaker 4: clinical psychology around kids and mental health is a concern 270 00:13:11,634 --> 00:13:14,914 Speaker 4: that maybe it's not just social media that is causing this. 271 00:13:15,754 --> 00:13:17,954 Speaker 4: So we've seen this big decline in mental health and 272 00:13:17,994 --> 00:13:20,154 Speaker 4: young people over the last twenty years. But the scary 273 00:13:20,274 --> 00:13:22,914 Speaker 4: question is what if it's not social media. We're sort 274 00:13:22,914 --> 00:13:24,714 Speaker 4: of assuming it is, Like you just. 275 00:13:24,714 --> 00:13:29,474 Speaker 2: Said, the pyramid's not all social media. It's connection, it's resilience, 276 00:13:29,714 --> 00:13:33,394 Speaker 2: it's mastery of something. Yeah, you're right, the social media 277 00:13:33,474 --> 00:13:36,834 Speaker 2: isn't the silver bullet that maybe we need. It probably 278 00:13:36,834 --> 00:13:38,274 Speaker 2: needs a more holistic approach. 279 00:13:38,394 --> 00:13:40,674 Speaker 4: Well, and that's why this is so great, because it's saying, 280 00:13:40,834 --> 00:13:44,514 Speaker 4: certainly the social media exposure is part of why young 281 00:13:44,554 --> 00:13:47,514 Speaker 4: people are struggling with their mental health, but there are 282 00:13:47,554 --> 00:13:52,194 Speaker 4: these other elements to it that we're not thinking about proactively. 283 00:13:52,274 --> 00:13:55,354 Speaker 4: We're thinking about them, as you've both said, reactively. Yeah, 284 00:13:55,394 --> 00:13:57,994 Speaker 4: when I was thinking about the social connection point. Sometimes 285 00:13:58,154 --> 00:14:00,274 Speaker 4: I'll go out with my friends in the evening and 286 00:14:01,114 --> 00:14:03,394 Speaker 4: I'll feel a bit guilty about it, and my kids 287 00:14:03,434 --> 00:14:05,834 Speaker 4: will say to me, where are you going? And now 288 00:14:05,834 --> 00:14:08,154 Speaker 4: that I've read this, I think instead of sort of 289 00:14:08,194 --> 00:14:11,354 Speaker 4: shirking them or kind of making excuses maybe blame it 290 00:14:11,434 --> 00:14:14,194 Speaker 4: on work or something like that, I might lean into 291 00:14:14,274 --> 00:14:17,274 Speaker 4: the idea that I'm going out for social connection to 292 00:14:17,354 --> 00:14:19,354 Speaker 4: see friends in real life. 293 00:14:19,634 --> 00:14:23,314 Speaker 2: Does this educator, does this researcher have a pyramid that 294 00:14:23,394 --> 00:14:25,354 Speaker 2: you can print out and stick up on the fridge. 295 00:14:25,514 --> 00:14:28,634 Speaker 4: She doesn't, so Amy Dewell, the psychologist who came up 296 00:14:28,634 --> 00:14:31,834 Speaker 4: with this in the conversation, she doesn't actually draw it 297 00:14:31,834 --> 00:14:34,074 Speaker 4: in a pyramid. She says it's a kin to a pyramid. 298 00:14:34,114 --> 00:14:36,194 Speaker 4: And I think the reason why she likes that analogy 299 00:14:36,354 --> 00:14:38,514 Speaker 4: is because she wants to remind us that there are 300 00:14:38,554 --> 00:14:41,034 Speaker 4: these different facets to it, that it's not just about 301 00:14:41,034 --> 00:14:43,754 Speaker 4: social media. But it's a great idea. Mon's yeah, we 302 00:14:43,794 --> 00:14:47,354 Speaker 4: should make them. We published a story on Mama Maha 303 00:14:47,474 --> 00:14:48,514 Speaker 4: that was so funny. 304 00:14:48,554 --> 00:14:50,994 Speaker 3: The team actually checked on me because I was chuckling 305 00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:54,234 Speaker 3: to myself as I was reading through it. It's called 306 00:14:54,354 --> 00:14:57,034 Speaker 3: In Defense of Diet Coke, and the writer Ali Berg 307 00:14:57,074 --> 00:15:00,194 Speaker 3: writes his brilliant story about her little trade of choice. 308 00:15:00,394 --> 00:15:02,114 Speaker 3: I just have to read you this one paragraph from 309 00:15:02,114 --> 00:15:05,034 Speaker 3: it because it's so funny. If Green Juice raised mirandaka 310 00:15:05,194 --> 00:15:07,714 Speaker 3: diet Coke raised me, she got me through the high 311 00:15:07,754 --> 00:15:11,394 Speaker 3: school and UNI exams, breakups, three PM office slumps, book 312 00:15:11,434 --> 00:15:14,554 Speaker 3: deadlines are now the chaos of motherhood. She's lived everywhere 313 00:15:14,554 --> 00:15:18,634 Speaker 3: with me. Locker, glovebox, tote bag, pram caddy. Some people 314 00:15:18,714 --> 00:15:21,754 Speaker 3: like candles, some people journal I cracker can. 315 00:15:21,634 --> 00:15:23,234 Speaker 1: Oh, that's so great, isn't it good? 316 00:15:23,554 --> 00:15:25,794 Speaker 3: And I just thought it was really funny to think 317 00:15:25,794 --> 00:15:29,154 Speaker 3: about like the dirty little habits we have that kind 318 00:15:29,194 --> 00:15:32,434 Speaker 3: of get us through the motherhood trenches, Like what are 319 00:15:32,434 --> 00:15:33,114 Speaker 3: some of yours? 320 00:15:33,354 --> 00:15:35,514 Speaker 1: By the way, do you love diet coke? I hate 321 00:15:35,554 --> 00:15:37,434 Speaker 1: diet coke. Mine is cups of tea. 322 00:15:37,994 --> 00:15:40,234 Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't drink soft drink. I'm one of those 323 00:15:40,274 --> 00:15:43,394 Speaker 3: weirdos that doesn't drink it. But I love tea and 324 00:15:43,434 --> 00:15:45,674 Speaker 3: I have at least five cups a day, Like there's 325 00:15:45,754 --> 00:15:47,234 Speaker 3: always a cup of tea close to me. 326 00:15:47,794 --> 00:15:49,834 Speaker 2: Kind of tea, herbal tea, black. 327 00:15:49,554 --> 00:15:52,394 Speaker 3: Purbal, black tea with a sugar, depending on the time 328 00:15:52,434 --> 00:15:54,354 Speaker 3: of day, like any tea, give it to me. 329 00:15:54,554 --> 00:15:57,314 Speaker 1: Hate coffee, hate soft drink. I love this idea. 330 00:15:57,474 --> 00:16:00,554 Speaker 4: I started thinking about mine and I realized that when 331 00:16:00,594 --> 00:16:04,354 Speaker 4: I was breastfeeding, I really developed strong attachments to particular 332 00:16:04,434 --> 00:16:07,834 Speaker 4: shows because I even had a certain time of day, 333 00:16:08,314 --> 00:16:10,634 Speaker 4: the four PM feed I believe it was called where 334 00:16:10,674 --> 00:16:13,554 Speaker 4: I would pass out my favorite shows for just that 335 00:16:13,674 --> 00:16:16,074 Speaker 4: particular time of day. And the two shows that got 336 00:16:16,114 --> 00:16:19,994 Speaker 4: me through were Younger and Selling Sunset, and I will 337 00:16:20,034 --> 00:16:22,514 Speaker 4: never hit anything bad about either of those shows. 338 00:16:22,554 --> 00:16:25,554 Speaker 3: Great shows. Mine was Gray's Anatomy. I'd never watched it before. 339 00:16:25,834 --> 00:16:29,834 Speaker 2: Oh my dirty Secrets are real Housewives of Sydney because 340 00:16:29,954 --> 00:16:32,634 Speaker 2: you can watch it but not watch it. It can 341 00:16:32,634 --> 00:16:35,554 Speaker 2: be on in the background while you are folding clothes 342 00:16:35,794 --> 00:16:37,674 Speaker 2: and cleaning the house. You can have it on your 343 00:16:37,674 --> 00:16:40,714 Speaker 2: phone while you're doing dishes and mopping floors. So I 344 00:16:40,754 --> 00:16:41,194 Speaker 2: love that. 345 00:16:41,314 --> 00:16:43,594 Speaker 1: But there are real Housewives of Melbourne. 346 00:16:43,594 --> 00:16:46,234 Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong, Yeah, there was. You prefer 347 00:16:46,354 --> 00:16:48,034 Speaker 4: Sydney even though you use I like it with a 348 00:16:48,034 --> 00:16:48,554 Speaker 4: mini one. 349 00:16:48,874 --> 00:16:50,314 Speaker 2: I like the girls in the Sydney one. I also 350 00:16:50,394 --> 00:16:54,114 Speaker 2: watched the New York one. And my other dirty secret 351 00:16:54,194 --> 00:16:56,874 Speaker 2: is Facebook Marketplace. Why am I so addicted to it? 352 00:16:56,914 --> 00:17:00,434 Speaker 2: I love it? I love it. I love browsing. I 353 00:17:00,474 --> 00:17:03,234 Speaker 2: love putting things up for sale and then hearing from 354 00:17:03,394 --> 00:17:06,073 Speaker 2: lunatics that just have all these questions. I just like 355 00:17:06,394 --> 00:17:07,353 Speaker 2: the thrill of it. 356 00:17:07,434 --> 00:17:07,914 Speaker 1: That's quite. 357 00:17:08,154 --> 00:17:10,314 Speaker 4: Are you one of those people who puts things all 358 00:17:10,314 --> 00:17:12,793 Speaker 4: in caps on those listings? Like do not ask me 359 00:17:12,834 --> 00:17:15,154 Speaker 4: if this is still available if the listing is up? 360 00:17:15,354 --> 00:17:18,594 Speaker 2: Are you like, no full respect to that? That's kind. 361 00:17:20,234 --> 00:17:22,354 Speaker 4: I've got a couple of others. I do like cream 362 00:17:22,394 --> 00:17:25,674 Speaker 4: in my porridge because it feels just a little bit spash. 363 00:17:25,714 --> 00:17:27,593 Speaker 2: What do you just have cream in the fridge at 364 00:17:27,634 --> 00:17:28,234 Speaker 2: all times. 365 00:17:28,674 --> 00:17:29,313 Speaker 1: Yes, I do. 366 00:17:29,514 --> 00:17:32,874 Speaker 3: Wow, Like, were we talking thickened cream, Yeah, just a 367 00:17:32,914 --> 00:17:33,674 Speaker 3: little bit of it. 368 00:17:33,754 --> 00:17:36,554 Speaker 4: I mean healthy fats. Sugar in my coffee, Love the 369 00:17:36,634 --> 00:17:39,154 Speaker 4: sugar in my coffee. And also here's a really bit 370 00:17:39,194 --> 00:17:41,513 Speaker 4: of a guilty indulgence because they're really bad for the environment. 371 00:17:41,674 --> 00:17:42,434 Speaker 1: Sheep masks. 372 00:17:42,554 --> 00:17:45,034 Speaker 4: Just the cheap ones, like the ones they're like one 373 00:17:45,114 --> 00:17:47,514 Speaker 4: or two dollars each, not the fancy ones. But work 374 00:17:47,554 --> 00:17:49,194 Speaker 4: one of those one you look like a new woman. 375 00:17:49,274 --> 00:17:50,714 Speaker 1: Yeah, they really do get you through. 376 00:17:51,954 --> 00:17:55,194 Speaker 2: Nothing divides the internet quite like a crying baby on 377 00:17:55,234 --> 00:17:59,234 Speaker 2: a plane. There's a travel columnist in the Fairfax Papers 378 00:17:59,634 --> 00:18:03,954 Speaker 2: called the Tripologist, and he answers people's trickiest travel dilemmas, 379 00:18:04,034 --> 00:18:09,234 Speaker 2: and recently a question stopped me mid scroll. It read, 380 00:18:09,354 --> 00:18:13,194 Speaker 2: I'm a solo female traveler and after a few bad experiences, 381 00:18:13,274 --> 00:18:16,194 Speaker 2: I find it uncomfortable to sit next to male passengers. 382 00:18:16,514 --> 00:18:19,194 Speaker 2: Can I request to sit next to another woman? 383 00:18:20,314 --> 00:18:20,474 Speaker 3: Now? 384 00:18:20,474 --> 00:18:23,594 Speaker 2: The answer was basically yeah, like sure, you can absolutely 385 00:18:23,634 --> 00:18:27,353 Speaker 2: ask that, Like airlines don't assign seats by gender, but 386 00:18:27,594 --> 00:18:30,674 Speaker 2: most check in staff will understand and they'll try to 387 00:18:30,714 --> 00:18:34,074 Speaker 2: help you if you ask early enough, which kind of 388 00:18:34,074 --> 00:18:37,474 Speaker 2: got me thinking, if you can ask not to sit 389 00:18:37,554 --> 00:18:40,354 Speaker 2: next to a man, can you ask not to sit 390 00:18:40,394 --> 00:18:44,474 Speaker 2: next to a baby? Stacy? Babies on planes just make 391 00:18:44,514 --> 00:18:47,434 Speaker 2: people go crazy? Is it rude to ask not to 392 00:18:47,434 --> 00:18:49,554 Speaker 2: be seated next to certain people on a plane. 393 00:18:49,634 --> 00:18:51,914 Speaker 3: I would argue that some of the biggest babies I've 394 00:18:51,914 --> 00:18:54,834 Speaker 3: sat next to on planes are fully grown adults from 395 00:18:54,914 --> 00:18:57,434 Speaker 3: their behavior, So I'll just put that out there first. 396 00:18:58,074 --> 00:19:01,033 Speaker 3: But like, I am very tall, so when I travel, 397 00:19:01,074 --> 00:19:03,513 Speaker 3: I often sit in the bulkhead seat, and that means 398 00:19:03,714 --> 00:19:06,234 Speaker 3: you're right next to where the bassinette goes. Odds are 399 00:19:06,434 --> 00:19:08,714 Speaker 3: you're going to get a baby right like? You will 400 00:19:08,754 --> 00:19:11,553 Speaker 3: be close and that bacinette. No baby has ever slept 401 00:19:11,594 --> 00:19:13,593 Speaker 3: in that little shoe b No, So you're going to 402 00:19:13,594 --> 00:19:16,354 Speaker 3: be near a bit of crying. But I just think 403 00:19:16,954 --> 00:19:20,714 Speaker 3: you don't get to decide on the people that are there. Like, 404 00:19:20,714 --> 00:19:22,954 Speaker 3: if you're choosing to be in public, the public will 405 00:19:22,994 --> 00:19:25,273 Speaker 3: be there. If you're choosing to be in a communal space, 406 00:19:25,634 --> 00:19:28,033 Speaker 3: people will be there that you don't necessarily like. I 407 00:19:28,074 --> 00:19:31,234 Speaker 3: don't think that we can ask. But it's interesting that 408 00:19:31,274 --> 00:19:33,313 Speaker 3: you say that not a lot of places do this. 409 00:19:33,554 --> 00:19:36,354 Speaker 3: Mons Because there was one airline that trialed this last 410 00:19:36,474 --> 00:19:40,434 Speaker 3: year and were allowing passengers to book via gender, So 411 00:19:40,514 --> 00:19:42,354 Speaker 3: if you're a woman, not if you're a man. If 412 00:19:42,354 --> 00:19:44,674 Speaker 3: you're a woman, you could elect to sit next to 413 00:19:44,714 --> 00:19:47,754 Speaker 3: another woman. And it was Indian Airline Indigo, so they 414 00:19:47,754 --> 00:19:49,434 Speaker 3: announced that they were doing this, and there was a 415 00:19:49,474 --> 00:19:52,513 Speaker 3: big reaction because a lot of people were saying people 416 00:19:52,594 --> 00:19:55,434 Speaker 3: could go against this system and say that they were 417 00:19:55,434 --> 00:19:58,194 Speaker 3: a female to then be put next to a female. 418 00:19:58,994 --> 00:20:00,634 Speaker 1: Men generally, on. 419 00:20:00,634 --> 00:20:03,114 Speaker 3: The whole are bigger, so then if they're all sitting 420 00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:05,874 Speaker 3: next to one another and squished, like you're actually just 421 00:20:05,914 --> 00:20:08,513 Speaker 3: getting yourself a premium want seat, but choosing to be 422 00:20:08,594 --> 00:20:12,074 Speaker 3: next to a woman. So that has kind of quietly 423 00:20:12,154 --> 00:20:14,114 Speaker 3: gone away from the looks of it, and they're not 424 00:20:14,194 --> 00:20:15,554 Speaker 3: continuing to do that now. 425 00:20:15,714 --> 00:20:17,834 Speaker 1: I have a question for both of you. I want 426 00:20:17,834 --> 00:20:18,353 Speaker 1: to flip it. 427 00:20:18,514 --> 00:20:21,194 Speaker 4: When you travel with kids, do you think it's okay 428 00:20:21,434 --> 00:20:25,034 Speaker 4: to ask someone to move so that the whole family 429 00:20:25,074 --> 00:20:27,234 Speaker 4: can be seated together. Yeah? I do. 430 00:20:27,474 --> 00:20:29,834 Speaker 2: I think if you ask nicely and respectfully, yeah, I 431 00:20:29,874 --> 00:20:33,273 Speaker 2: think that's okay. They can refuse, but you could ask. 432 00:20:33,594 --> 00:20:36,914 Speaker 4: Every now and then you see a post on social 433 00:20:36,954 --> 00:20:40,954 Speaker 4: media of someone without children who's kind of taken a 434 00:20:41,074 --> 00:20:44,273 Speaker 4: fence at someone asking that because their argument is I 435 00:20:44,354 --> 00:20:46,754 Speaker 4: paid for this seat. Often you're having to move to 436 00:20:46,794 --> 00:20:49,074 Speaker 4: a seat that's probably not as good, like meaning that 437 00:20:49,074 --> 00:20:51,354 Speaker 4: it's not your choice of an aisle or a window 438 00:20:51,474 --> 00:20:51,914 Speaker 4: or whatever. 439 00:20:52,194 --> 00:20:52,954 Speaker 1: Why should I. 440 00:20:52,994 --> 00:20:56,194 Speaker 4: Move because you chose to have children, Which just strikes 441 00:20:56,274 --> 00:20:57,874 Speaker 4: me as a little bit annoying. 442 00:20:58,194 --> 00:21:00,033 Speaker 2: Having to move or being asked, or. 443 00:21:00,034 --> 00:21:02,513 Speaker 4: Taking a fence at the ass. But I guess this 444 00:21:02,594 --> 00:21:04,834 Speaker 4: brings me to where I am at on this, which 445 00:21:04,954 --> 00:21:07,394 Speaker 4: is that I get why people don't want to be 446 00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:09,074 Speaker 4: seated next to children on flights. 447 00:21:09,314 --> 00:21:09,714 Speaker 1: I do. 448 00:21:09,874 --> 00:21:12,474 Speaker 4: I can see it from both perspectives. You know, before 449 00:21:12,514 --> 00:21:15,754 Speaker 4: I had kids, I remember one particularly nightmarish flight where 450 00:21:15,794 --> 00:21:18,074 Speaker 4: I was seated next to a kid who did just 451 00:21:18,114 --> 00:21:20,874 Speaker 4: scream the entire way across the Pacific Ocean, and it 452 00:21:20,954 --> 00:21:23,874 Speaker 4: was unpleasant. So I totally understand why people asked to 453 00:21:23,914 --> 00:21:27,154 Speaker 4: do this. I think it's because flying itself has become 454 00:21:27,274 --> 00:21:31,914 Speaker 4: such a stressful and dehumanizing experience for everyone, and people 455 00:21:31,994 --> 00:21:34,754 Speaker 4: feel like if they can control their little patch, if 456 00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:36,313 Speaker 4: they can get all the children out of the way, 457 00:21:36,394 --> 00:21:37,834 Speaker 4: or if they can get the men out of the way, 458 00:21:37,874 --> 00:21:39,994 Speaker 4: maybe it will make it more tolerable. But the truth 459 00:21:40,114 --> 00:21:42,754 Speaker 4: is the airlines are the ones who are making us 460 00:21:42,754 --> 00:21:45,794 Speaker 4: feel the squeeze more and more every year, and that's 461 00:21:45,794 --> 00:21:48,994 Speaker 4: why we're getting more aggressive towards each other and less tolerant. 462 00:21:49,154 --> 00:21:51,834 Speaker 2: That is such an interesting point. I love that point 463 00:21:51,874 --> 00:21:54,114 Speaker 2: because that's not what the airlines want you to think. 464 00:21:54,234 --> 00:21:57,074 Speaker 2: Like you think about the way that airlines advertise to us. 465 00:21:57,154 --> 00:22:01,793 Speaker 2: They make it look like a very personal, curated, stress free, 466 00:22:02,194 --> 00:22:06,194 Speaker 2: blissful experience, Like I think Quantus had this tagline on 467 00:22:06,234 --> 00:22:08,514 Speaker 2: every flight, which is like, sit back, relax and enjoy 468 00:22:08,554 --> 00:22:11,874 Speaker 2: your flight. It's not the reality of flying. Flying is 469 00:22:12,074 --> 00:22:15,834 Speaker 2: communal and tiring and annoying. But I also think we've 470 00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:19,194 Speaker 2: talked about this before on this show, about all these 471 00:22:19,274 --> 00:22:23,354 Speaker 2: growing trends for people having personal boundaries and people becoming 472 00:22:23,474 --> 00:22:26,714 Speaker 2: used to very frictionless experiences because everything's on our phone now, 473 00:22:26,714 --> 00:22:29,513 Speaker 2: in our hand, things get delivered to you. Life is 474 00:22:29,634 --> 00:22:34,273 Speaker 2: very frictionless. Is our tolerance just so diminished that we 475 00:22:34,434 --> 00:22:36,754 Speaker 2: kind of forget and then when we travel it's like, 476 00:22:36,794 --> 00:22:38,514 Speaker 2: oh no, I have to be out in public again. 477 00:22:38,554 --> 00:22:39,194 Speaker 2: And this is hard. 478 00:22:39,394 --> 00:22:43,033 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it feels like this trend that's been coined in 479 00:22:43,074 --> 00:22:44,754 Speaker 3: the place where all things seem to be coined to 480 00:22:44,794 --> 00:22:48,074 Speaker 3: these days, TikTok is what about mesm? You know, you 481 00:22:48,074 --> 00:22:50,274 Speaker 3: could put up a bean soup recipe and someone will 482 00:22:50,314 --> 00:22:52,234 Speaker 3: be like, oh, but I don't like beans, So what's 483 00:22:52,274 --> 00:22:54,553 Speaker 3: the alternative for me? Like? How do you make this 484 00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:57,674 Speaker 3: good for me? And it's just like in public spaces 485 00:22:57,754 --> 00:23:00,474 Speaker 3: like that, you're probably going to be a bit inconvenience, 486 00:23:00,514 --> 00:23:03,114 Speaker 3: are a bit uncomfortable, Like it is part of the deal. 487 00:23:03,314 --> 00:23:05,914 Speaker 4: I don't think that it's the fault of the passengers 488 00:23:05,914 --> 00:23:07,994 Speaker 4: at all. I don't think really that's an example of 489 00:23:08,034 --> 00:23:10,313 Speaker 4: people being more selfish. I think it's an example of the 490 00:23:10,314 --> 00:23:13,594 Speaker 4: fact that flying has become so much less pleasant than 491 00:23:13,594 --> 00:23:14,154 Speaker 4: it used to be. 492 00:23:14,394 --> 00:23:17,794 Speaker 2: I so agree, okay, Amelia, what would make it more pleasant? 493 00:23:17,834 --> 00:23:19,914 Speaker 2: Like what would the airlines have to do to make 494 00:23:19,954 --> 00:23:21,154 Speaker 2: it actually better for us? 495 00:23:21,474 --> 00:23:24,994 Speaker 4: I have a concrete suggestion. So have you noticed how 496 00:23:25,194 --> 00:23:27,434 Speaker 4: you used to just be able to buy a ticket 497 00:23:27,554 --> 00:23:28,754 Speaker 4: and that included a seat. 498 00:23:28,994 --> 00:23:29,954 Speaker 1: Remember those days? 499 00:23:30,434 --> 00:23:32,394 Speaker 4: Now you have to buy a ticket and then you 500 00:23:32,474 --> 00:23:35,154 Speaker 4: have to buy a seat. So what happens practically speaking 501 00:23:35,154 --> 00:23:38,754 Speaker 4: for families is that you buy, however many tickets for 502 00:23:38,794 --> 00:23:41,434 Speaker 4: the people in your family and then it says, look, 503 00:23:41,434 --> 00:23:44,354 Speaker 4: we can't guarantee you'll be seated together. We'll try, but 504 00:23:44,474 --> 00:23:46,874 Speaker 4: if you'd like to buy a seat for each person 505 00:23:46,954 --> 00:23:49,954 Speaker 4: for sixty dollars for this international flight, you'll definitely be 506 00:23:50,034 --> 00:23:54,834 Speaker 4: seated together. And I resent that so much because I've 507 00:23:54,874 --> 00:23:57,074 Speaker 4: already bought the tickets. I bought them as a group 508 00:23:57,114 --> 00:23:59,474 Speaker 4: for a family. Why do I then have to essentially 509 00:23:59,874 --> 00:24:02,234 Speaker 4: pay you more money just so you can guarantee that 510 00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:04,714 Speaker 4: my four year old won't be seated next to a 511 00:24:04,754 --> 00:24:06,674 Speaker 4: stranger and ask for them to take it to the 512 00:24:06,714 --> 00:24:08,554 Speaker 4: toilet every fifteen minutes. 513 00:24:08,394 --> 00:24:09,434 Speaker 2: Because of profits? 514 00:24:09,834 --> 00:24:09,954 Speaker 3: Right? 515 00:24:09,994 --> 00:24:10,434 Speaker 1: How about? 516 00:24:10,634 --> 00:24:13,474 Speaker 2: I mean, have you experienced the new where you have 517 00:24:13,514 --> 00:24:15,874 Speaker 2: to board it quantus and they bored you in order? 518 00:24:15,914 --> 00:24:17,474 Speaker 2: Now from A to E? 519 00:24:17,874 --> 00:24:18,394 Speaker 1: Have you had that? 520 00:24:18,674 --> 00:24:21,474 Speaker 2: No, there's a code on your boarding pass, and the 521 00:24:21,514 --> 00:24:24,154 Speaker 2: people that have the A get to board first, then 522 00:24:24,194 --> 00:24:27,234 Speaker 2: the b's than the c's. They bored you in different groups. 523 00:24:27,474 --> 00:24:29,194 Speaker 2: If you're a D and you go up while the 524 00:24:29,354 --> 00:24:33,274 Speaker 2: a's are boarding, they'll say go back. It's very dystopian, 525 00:24:33,754 --> 00:24:35,954 Speaker 2: and you can pay more money to get A or 526 00:24:35,954 --> 00:24:37,994 Speaker 2: B like the a's, and the bees have the better seats, 527 00:24:37,994 --> 00:24:39,474 Speaker 2: so they get to go on the plane first. 528 00:24:40,074 --> 00:24:43,234 Speaker 4: I also think that there is a palpable contempt for 529 00:24:43,354 --> 00:24:48,754 Speaker 4: families and in particular mothers flying with small children on planes. 530 00:24:48,874 --> 00:24:51,313 Speaker 4: That's coming from all sides. Maybe it is coming from 531 00:24:51,354 --> 00:24:53,553 Speaker 4: the passengers in part, but it also comes from the 532 00:24:53,594 --> 00:24:57,354 Speaker 4: airline who increasingly the vibe I gate is, well, you 533 00:24:57,434 --> 00:24:59,354 Speaker 4: booked a seat in the last row of this plane 534 00:24:59,354 --> 00:25:01,714 Speaker 4: and economy, what are you expecting from us, any kind 535 00:25:01,714 --> 00:25:02,914 Speaker 4: of help forget about it? 536 00:25:03,114 --> 00:25:05,314 Speaker 2: Do you think? And I can't believe airlines haven't done 537 00:25:05,354 --> 00:25:07,914 Speaker 2: this yet, And if you're listening, airlines just don't. Don't 538 00:25:07,954 --> 00:25:10,434 Speaker 2: take this idea to make more money. But at the moment, 539 00:25:10,554 --> 00:25:13,274 Speaker 2: children under two can fly on the lap of someone. 540 00:25:13,314 --> 00:25:15,354 Speaker 2: They don't require their own seat. Do you think some 541 00:25:15,434 --> 00:25:17,033 Speaker 2: of the heat would be taken out of this if 542 00:25:17,074 --> 00:25:18,954 Speaker 2: you were required to buy a baby seat. 543 00:25:19,114 --> 00:25:22,954 Speaker 4: That's a really interesting point that that lap infant, while 544 00:25:22,994 --> 00:25:27,834 Speaker 4: helpful for the parents, is often just inevitably unpleasant for 545 00:25:27,874 --> 00:25:29,634 Speaker 4: the people seated next to the lap infant. 546 00:25:29,714 --> 00:25:31,834 Speaker 3: That's it, And no one ever wants to be the 547 00:25:31,914 --> 00:25:34,394 Speaker 3: parent that's making it a bad experience for the person 548 00:25:34,434 --> 00:25:37,034 Speaker 3: next to them. That's never the intent. But we are 549 00:25:37,114 --> 00:25:40,074 Speaker 3: definitely becoming much less tolerable. 550 00:25:40,314 --> 00:25:43,754 Speaker 4: There's also this trend of parents who they make little 551 00:25:43,794 --> 00:25:46,954 Speaker 4: care packages for the people who are situated around their 552 00:25:46,994 --> 00:25:48,994 Speaker 4: family and hand them out with these little notes that 553 00:25:49,034 --> 00:25:51,154 Speaker 4: say I'm so sorry that I dared have children that 554 00:25:51,234 --> 00:25:53,834 Speaker 4: will be later the people contributing to the tax space 555 00:25:53,874 --> 00:25:56,394 Speaker 4: that keeps you in your retirement. But I just find 556 00:25:56,434 --> 00:25:59,354 Speaker 4: that too much like I can't also make little goodie 557 00:25:59,354 --> 00:26:00,394 Speaker 4: bags when I'm flying. 558 00:26:00,554 --> 00:26:03,033 Speaker 3: I did consider doing this on a plane for our 559 00:26:03,074 --> 00:26:03,794 Speaker 3: first overseats. 560 00:26:03,794 --> 00:26:06,634 Speaker 4: Because you're a school captain. We've talked about this before, Stacy. 561 00:26:07,114 --> 00:26:09,273 Speaker 4: One has to love you on the plane, That's true. 562 00:26:09,314 --> 00:26:12,674 Speaker 3: I really do seek to be the premium passenger. I'm 563 00:26:12,674 --> 00:26:14,434 Speaker 3: the one that watches the flight, attend to do the 564 00:26:14,474 --> 00:26:16,793 Speaker 3: safety demo really attentively so that they. 565 00:26:16,794 --> 00:26:19,033 Speaker 1: Like me most. Yeah, I did think about doing this. 566 00:26:19,154 --> 00:26:21,793 Speaker 3: It's like care pack with like little ear plugs for 567 00:26:21,874 --> 00:26:23,754 Speaker 3: them in a little treat as if that's going to 568 00:26:23,794 --> 00:26:25,394 Speaker 3: erase any behavior. 569 00:26:24,994 --> 00:26:26,714 Speaker 1: That your child has on the plane. 570 00:26:26,834 --> 00:26:29,194 Speaker 2: My heart goes out to the parents that feel the 571 00:26:29,274 --> 00:26:31,194 Speaker 2: need to do that. I can see what they're trying 572 00:26:31,194 --> 00:26:33,513 Speaker 2: to do. They're trying to diffuse the situation before it 573 00:26:33,554 --> 00:26:37,234 Speaker 2: becomes one. But what it's doing is apologizing for having 574 00:26:37,234 --> 00:26:39,914 Speaker 2: a kid in a public space, and parents should not 575 00:26:39,954 --> 00:26:42,234 Speaker 2: have to do that. We already get that in cafes, 576 00:26:42,474 --> 00:26:45,034 Speaker 2: in restaurants, in that baby that went to the tennis 577 00:26:45,194 --> 00:26:49,554 Speaker 2: you know earlier. Asking others to be tolerant of your 578 00:26:49,634 --> 00:26:53,114 Speaker 2: kid in a public space risks kind of othering families 579 00:26:53,154 --> 00:26:56,434 Speaker 2: and that's not good. So O from wonder the spectrum Stacey, 580 00:26:56,474 --> 00:26:59,073 Speaker 2: where parents will pack a goodie bag for their passengers, 581 00:26:59,154 --> 00:27:01,834 Speaker 2: there's any other end of the spectrum where parents will 582 00:27:01,834 --> 00:27:05,273 Speaker 2: take zero responsibility. They'll board that plane and they just 583 00:27:05,434 --> 00:27:07,554 Speaker 2: put the iPad on for the kid at full volume 584 00:27:07,714 --> 00:27:10,554 Speaker 2: and let the kid kick the chair. I've even seen 585 00:27:10,674 --> 00:27:14,114 Speaker 2: some parents changing nappies on the floor of the airport. 586 00:27:14,554 --> 00:27:17,554 Speaker 2: Do parents have a role to play in better behavior 587 00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:18,634 Speaker 2: around kids on planes? 588 00:27:19,034 --> 00:27:19,314 Speaker 4: Yeah? 589 00:27:19,354 --> 00:27:22,194 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I definitely think we can probably all recount 590 00:27:22,194 --> 00:27:24,754 Speaker 3: a case where you know, a kid's kicking the back 591 00:27:24,794 --> 00:27:27,754 Speaker 3: of your seat very happily and the parents not bothered 592 00:27:27,754 --> 00:27:29,793 Speaker 3: by it, or as you say, like the iPad noise 593 00:27:29,874 --> 00:27:32,554 Speaker 3: is the most infuriating noise when they've got a full volume. 594 00:27:32,874 --> 00:27:34,994 Speaker 3: But I think the same goes for every single passenger 595 00:27:35,034 --> 00:27:37,554 Speaker 3: on a plane. Like for some reason, rules seem to 596 00:27:37,594 --> 00:27:39,434 Speaker 3: go out the window on a plane and you get 597 00:27:39,434 --> 00:27:42,274 Speaker 3: like the worst of human behavior, like people sticking their 598 00:27:42,274 --> 00:27:44,793 Speaker 3: bare feet through the side of your seat. Like I 599 00:27:44,794 --> 00:27:47,474 Speaker 3: think we all, whether we've got children or not, just 600 00:27:47,514 --> 00:27:49,634 Speaker 3: need to be decent human beings and be respectful of 601 00:27:49,634 --> 00:27:50,674 Speaker 3: the other people around us. 602 00:27:51,034 --> 00:27:53,394 Speaker 2: I think making eye contact with a mother or a 603 00:27:53,394 --> 00:27:55,394 Speaker 2: father with a child on a plane goes a really 604 00:27:55,394 --> 00:27:57,354 Speaker 2: long way. Like I always try and do this having 605 00:27:57,394 --> 00:28:00,314 Speaker 2: been in that position. I always look to the parents, 606 00:28:00,394 --> 00:28:02,674 Speaker 2: I give the child like a little smile, and I'm 607 00:28:02,714 --> 00:28:05,074 Speaker 2: just like I am an ally, guys, I'm an ally. 608 00:28:06,194 --> 00:28:10,474 Speaker 2: Good luck to you, my god. It's time for recommendations. 609 00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:12,234 Speaker 2: This is where we bring you the very best of 610 00:28:12,274 --> 00:28:15,793 Speaker 2: our week. Things we've bought, seen, consumed, Stacy, What have 611 00:28:15,874 --> 00:28:16,234 Speaker 2: you got? 612 00:28:16,474 --> 00:28:19,793 Speaker 3: Mine was actually my husband's idea, but I've stolen it 613 00:28:19,834 --> 00:28:21,434 Speaker 3: as my own and now I recommend it to a 614 00:28:21,434 --> 00:28:23,674 Speaker 3: lot of people. Pretend I'm very smart and thought of 615 00:28:23,714 --> 00:28:27,114 Speaker 3: it myself. It's having a car bag, or what we 616 00:28:27,234 --> 00:28:29,394 Speaker 3: refer to with our very dark humor as a kill 617 00:28:29,474 --> 00:28:30,834 Speaker 3: kit in the back of your. 618 00:28:30,714 --> 00:28:33,274 Speaker 1: Car, half a receptacle. I do. I do. 619 00:28:33,394 --> 00:28:36,394 Speaker 3: I love just having little things everywhere to keep all 620 00:28:36,394 --> 00:28:39,434 Speaker 3: of my stuff. But he started this when we first 621 00:28:39,434 --> 00:28:42,074 Speaker 3: brought our daughter home. We have a backpack in the 622 00:28:42,074 --> 00:28:44,634 Speaker 3: boot of our car. It stayed there for the last 623 00:28:44,674 --> 00:28:47,714 Speaker 3: five years. That has all of the little tidbits that 624 00:28:47,754 --> 00:28:49,754 Speaker 3: you might forget. So when she was little it had 625 00:28:49,834 --> 00:28:52,274 Speaker 3: like nappies and spare clothes or whatever, but it also 626 00:28:52,314 --> 00:28:56,554 Speaker 3: had stuff like tampons for me or a spare toilet 627 00:28:56,634 --> 00:28:59,194 Speaker 3: roll if God forbid it ever got to that point. 628 00:28:59,394 --> 00:29:01,714 Speaker 3: We call it the kill kit because there's also masking 629 00:29:01,754 --> 00:29:04,994 Speaker 3: tape and scissors in there, which would look very suspicious 630 00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:06,914 Speaker 3: if you ever pulled over and anyone looked at it. 631 00:29:07,234 --> 00:29:09,474 Speaker 3: But you just never know when you're gonna like blow 632 00:29:09,514 --> 00:29:12,434 Speaker 3: a tire on a bike or need to strap something 633 00:29:12,434 --> 00:29:14,154 Speaker 3: of I don't know, it's just it has come. 634 00:29:14,034 --> 00:29:16,234 Speaker 2: In handy else is in your kids? What else? 635 00:29:16,354 --> 00:29:16,674 Speaker 1: Tell me? 636 00:29:16,954 --> 00:29:22,074 Speaker 3: Toilet paper, tampons, sunscreen, put socks in there for some reason, 637 00:29:22,114 --> 00:29:24,954 Speaker 3: or you get kids little socks, or you leave them 638 00:29:24,954 --> 00:29:28,514 Speaker 3: behind a towel, you always forget a towel. Shove a 639 00:29:28,554 --> 00:29:31,154 Speaker 3: towel in there, get some long life snacks. Like it's 640 00:29:31,194 --> 00:29:34,354 Speaker 3: basically like a glorified nappy bag, but it's for all 641 00:29:34,434 --> 00:29:34,714 Speaker 3: of you. 642 00:29:34,994 --> 00:29:40,114 Speaker 4: Is he responsible for stocking it because docks you're too 643 00:29:40,154 --> 00:29:43,274 Speaker 4: disorganized to replace things. Yeah, but he's like in charge 644 00:29:43,274 --> 00:29:43,394 Speaker 4: of it. 645 00:29:43,514 --> 00:29:43,754 Speaker 1: Yeah. 646 00:29:43,794 --> 00:29:45,634 Speaker 3: That has come in handy for me so many times 647 00:29:45,674 --> 00:29:48,554 Speaker 3: when I've even forgotten, like Tampon's at the shops, they're 648 00:29:48,554 --> 00:29:51,314 Speaker 3: in the car bag like there's always a backup somewhere. 649 00:29:51,594 --> 00:29:55,154 Speaker 1: It's great. So set your partners onto that, or set 650 00:29:55,154 --> 00:29:55,794 Speaker 1: yourself up. 651 00:29:55,674 --> 00:29:59,354 Speaker 2: One girls, picture this. You're at a food court, it's 652 00:29:59,394 --> 00:30:02,434 Speaker 2: closing time and all the places have their food out cheap. 653 00:30:02,554 --> 00:30:05,474 Speaker 2: You know when they do that. Well, now there's an 654 00:30:05,514 --> 00:30:07,994 Speaker 2: app for that, and I've had two different parents tell 655 00:30:08,034 --> 00:30:11,754 Speaker 2: me about it. It's called too Good to Go, and 656 00:30:11,794 --> 00:30:14,754 Speaker 2: what it is is it's all restaurants, cafes, bakeries in 657 00:30:14,794 --> 00:30:17,634 Speaker 2: your local area that just put their sort of leftover 658 00:30:17,714 --> 00:30:22,634 Speaker 2: food out for cheap. It sounds so diabolical, it's great 659 00:30:22,754 --> 00:30:25,554 Speaker 2: and it helps with their food waste and you get 660 00:30:25,594 --> 00:30:29,554 Speaker 2: like a mystery dinner and lunch box snacks really cheap. 661 00:30:29,634 --> 00:30:33,394 Speaker 2: So in my area you can get rolled sushi and 662 00:30:33,434 --> 00:30:35,794 Speaker 2: even Baker's Delight And I got thirty dollars worth of 663 00:30:35,794 --> 00:30:38,314 Speaker 2: Baker's Delight stuff the other day for ten bucks, so 664 00:30:39,034 --> 00:30:40,834 Speaker 2: highly recommend too good to go. 665 00:30:41,114 --> 00:30:45,874 Speaker 4: Mine is quite prosaic. I'm forever trying to describe to 666 00:30:45,914 --> 00:30:48,474 Speaker 4: my children how much better their lives are than my 667 00:30:48,594 --> 00:30:51,474 Speaker 4: life was in the nineteen eighties, and it revolves around 668 00:30:51,514 --> 00:30:53,874 Speaker 4: telling them that we did not have any choice. In 669 00:30:53,874 --> 00:30:56,634 Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties. We had one restaurant, and that restaurant 670 00:30:56,634 --> 00:31:00,554 Speaker 4: was Sizzler. Oh great restaurant though, yes, great restaurant. 671 00:31:00,674 --> 00:31:01,314 Speaker 1: Loved the bread. 672 00:31:01,434 --> 00:31:04,714 Speaker 4: Yes, one tape, and that tape was Madonna's Immaculate Collection, 673 00:31:04,834 --> 00:31:05,954 Speaker 4: also a great tape. 674 00:31:06,034 --> 00:31:07,474 Speaker 1: Like I mean, it wasn't bad. 675 00:31:07,554 --> 00:31:09,834 Speaker 4: It was just that you only had one of everything, 676 00:31:09,994 --> 00:31:12,754 Speaker 4: and then one TV station, which was the ABC, because 677 00:31:12,794 --> 00:31:15,594 Speaker 4: we weren't allowed to watch commercial television, and you just 678 00:31:15,634 --> 00:31:17,314 Speaker 4: had to turn it on and you just had to 679 00:31:17,354 --> 00:31:19,994 Speaker 4: see what was on it. And I tell them this 680 00:31:20,114 --> 00:31:22,394 Speaker 4: all the time when they ask for, you know, an 681 00:31:22,394 --> 00:31:26,274 Speaker 4: obscure like Taylor Swift song from seven years ago, that, 682 00:31:26,354 --> 00:31:28,514 Speaker 4: of course I can just summon up with one click 683 00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:30,514 Speaker 4: on my phone, I say to them, you don't know 684 00:31:30,554 --> 00:31:33,474 Speaker 4: how good you had it. But one thing I do 685 00:31:34,274 --> 00:31:36,394 Speaker 4: like for them to do, which they also like to do, 686 00:31:36,794 --> 00:31:42,154 Speaker 4: is to watch the ABC iView cartoons live stream. And 687 00:31:42,194 --> 00:31:45,034 Speaker 4: for some reason they don't mind this because it's on YouTube, 688 00:31:45,114 --> 00:31:47,714 Speaker 4: or this is on it's on the iView app, okay, 689 00:31:47,794 --> 00:31:51,434 Speaker 4: And the iView app has a little kids live stream 690 00:31:51,634 --> 00:31:54,834 Speaker 4: which is for kids essentially who haven't started school and 691 00:31:54,874 --> 00:31:57,554 Speaker 4: they liked that when they were younger. And then there's 692 00:31:57,554 --> 00:31:59,434 Speaker 4: a big kids live stream, which is kind of for 693 00:31:59,594 --> 00:32:01,914 Speaker 4: like kids who are ready to have shows that may 694 00:32:01,994 --> 00:32:04,594 Speaker 4: touch on team pregnancy or something like to Grassy Junior 695 00:32:04,674 --> 00:32:08,914 Speaker 4: High in kin our parlance. So so for early primary 696 00:32:08,954 --> 00:32:11,634 Speaker 4: to mid primary kids, there's a little bit of a gap, 697 00:32:11,714 --> 00:32:15,154 Speaker 4: but that gap is served by the cartoons live stream. 698 00:32:15,434 --> 00:32:17,594 Speaker 4: And the ABC doesn't have a lot of money. I 699 00:32:17,714 --> 00:32:19,874 Speaker 4: don't think Mon's used to work at the ABC. This 700 00:32:19,954 --> 00:32:21,834 Speaker 4: is correct, right, there's not a lot of money there, 701 00:32:21,874 --> 00:32:24,754 Speaker 4: just fact checking that. I don't think they've bought any 702 00:32:24,794 --> 00:32:29,274 Speaker 4: new cartoons since nineteen ninety one. They're all like distinctly 703 00:32:29,394 --> 00:32:31,954 Speaker 4: nineteen eighties. Like you can kind of see like the 704 00:32:31,994 --> 00:32:34,674 Speaker 4: pen marks on the cartoons, like these are not cartoons 705 00:32:34,714 --> 00:32:36,434 Speaker 4: made on a computer, you know how all the Netflix 706 00:32:36,514 --> 00:32:37,994 Speaker 4: cartoons now sort of look a bit. 707 00:32:37,914 --> 00:32:40,394 Speaker 1: Ai no ai involved here. 708 00:32:41,074 --> 00:32:43,314 Speaker 4: And the thing that I've noticed about it, in addition 709 00:32:43,354 --> 00:32:45,074 Speaker 4: to teaching them that you get what you get and 710 00:32:45,114 --> 00:32:47,474 Speaker 4: you don't get upset, which is an important life lesson. 711 00:32:47,714 --> 00:32:50,874 Speaker 4: With the live stream, I've noticed that because the cartoons 712 00:32:50,874 --> 00:32:54,034 Speaker 4: are older and they're just less chaotic and less flashy 713 00:32:54,074 --> 00:32:57,234 Speaker 4: than modern cartoons. When you turn it off, they're not 714 00:32:57,274 --> 00:33:00,314 Speaker 4: as crazy, like there's something about it. It's not spiking 715 00:33:00,314 --> 00:33:04,394 Speaker 4: their cortisol in the way that modern slick cartoons tend 716 00:33:04,394 --> 00:33:05,874 Speaker 4: to make kids a little bit crazy. 717 00:33:05,994 --> 00:33:07,474 Speaker 1: It doesn't do that that. 718 00:33:07,554 --> 00:33:09,834 Speaker 2: I watched the Minecraft movie and I think it gave 719 00:33:09,874 --> 00:33:13,154 Speaker 2: me adhd There is something about the way they make 720 00:33:13,194 --> 00:33:16,234 Speaker 2: these shows now, the fast cuts, the bright colors, just 721 00:33:16,474 --> 00:33:17,274 Speaker 2: I love this for you. 722 00:33:17,554 --> 00:33:20,874 Speaker 4: I think there's like more cuts per minute or per 723 00:33:21,114 --> 00:33:24,674 Speaker 4: second even in modern entertainment than there were back in 724 00:33:24,674 --> 00:33:26,914 Speaker 4: the eighties and nineties, and I think that's why it 725 00:33:26,954 --> 00:33:28,874 Speaker 4: has a little bit more of a calming, almost a 726 00:33:28,954 --> 00:33:31,114 Speaker 4: stative effect on children love it. 727 00:33:31,394 --> 00:33:33,314 Speaker 2: In the holidays, you go to my parents' place to 728 00:33:33,394 --> 00:33:35,754 Speaker 2: have a farm, and they don't have a smart TV. 729 00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:38,594 Speaker 2: It's the analog TV with the antenna, and it is 730 00:33:38,634 --> 00:33:42,114 Speaker 2: such an exercise in resilience to sit there and they 731 00:33:42,154 --> 00:33:44,234 Speaker 2: just get what they get. They don't get upset, and 732 00:33:44,314 --> 00:33:46,434 Speaker 2: it makes me want to unplug every time I get 733 00:33:46,474 --> 00:33:48,794 Speaker 2: back to the big City. I think we should just 734 00:33:48,874 --> 00:33:52,714 Speaker 2: go analog and pull off all the streamers, all the subscriptions, 735 00:33:52,794 --> 00:33:54,914 Speaker 2: and just go back to ABC. 736 00:33:55,354 --> 00:33:57,514 Speaker 4: I think there's something to it, and also the conflict 737 00:33:57,554 --> 00:34:00,554 Speaker 4: between if you have multiple children who want to watch 738 00:34:00,594 --> 00:34:03,394 Speaker 4: different things, then you've got to be somehow like the 739 00:34:03,474 --> 00:34:06,234 Speaker 4: United Nations and determining which one of them gets their pick. 740 00:34:06,274 --> 00:34:08,674 Speaker 1: Whereas the lives stream it's out of your hands. 741 00:34:08,834 --> 00:34:11,714 Speaker 2: When a show comes on they don't like, they lose interest, Amelia, 742 00:34:11,794 --> 00:34:14,393 Speaker 2: and then they might actually get off to read the books. 743 00:34:14,554 --> 00:34:18,194 Speaker 2: Oh my god, imagine that is all we have time 744 00:34:18,274 --> 00:34:21,754 Speaker 2: for on today's Parenting Out Loud. But parents, you know 745 00:34:22,154 --> 00:34:26,234 Speaker 2: that one friend of yours who would so get this 746 00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,394 Speaker 2: conversation that we're having and this show. You should send 747 00:34:29,394 --> 00:34:31,994 Speaker 2: this show to them or tell them about it, because 748 00:34:31,994 --> 00:34:35,114 Speaker 2: that's how we grow this podcast pocket of the world, 749 00:34:35,314 --> 00:34:38,194 Speaker 2: just one person at a time. And people are always 750 00:34:38,234 --> 00:34:41,554 Speaker 2: looking for new podcasts. So be the friend that gives 751 00:34:41,554 --> 00:34:44,514 Speaker 2: someone a good one to try, and they'll thank you, 752 00:34:44,594 --> 00:34:47,074 Speaker 2: and we will thank you too. A big thanks to 753 00:34:47,154 --> 00:34:50,274 Speaker 2: our team. This week. Junior content producer is Tessa Kotovic, 754 00:34:50,394 --> 00:34:53,913 Speaker 2: our Senior producer is the Aporgous and Executive producer Sashotannic. 755 00:34:54,154 --> 00:34:56,674 Speaker 2: The group ep is Ruth de Vine. Have a great week. 756 00:34:56,794 --> 00:34:59,034 Speaker 2: We'll be back in this feed next Saturday morning. 757 00:34:59,194 --> 00:35:01,234 Speaker 3: Bye. 758 00:35:03,954 --> 00:35:06,794 Speaker 2: Mumia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which 759 00:35:06,794 --> 00:35:08,194 Speaker 2: we have recorded this podcast.