WEBVTT - Full Bush In A Bikini 0:00:10.622 --> 0:00:13.341 You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 0:00:13.822 --> 0:00:16.741 Mama and Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and 0:00:16.822 --> 0:00:18.822 waters that this podcast is recorded on. 0:00:19.102 --> 0:00:21.901 I think she's read let them. I reckon she read 0:00:21.902 --> 0:00:24.302 her over the holidays, because I know that Oprah, who 0:00:24.342 --> 0:00:26.381 I believe you know they're in a group. Chap Sure, 0:00:26.662 --> 0:00:30.142 Oprah read it. Oprah loved it. I think she said Michelle, 0:00:30.222 --> 0:00:32.141 not passive aggressively, but just said, I think you'd get 0:00:32.182 --> 0:00:32.702 a lot out of this. 0:00:32.942 --> 0:00:34.302 Yeah, let them have their party. 0:00:34.462 --> 0:00:36.581 Yes, let them have their party, but let me not. 0:00:36.582 --> 0:00:42.862 Come hello and welcome to Mom and Mia out loud. 0:00:42.902 --> 0:00:45.262 It's what women are actually talking about. On Monday, the 0:00:45.302 --> 0:00:46.542 twentieth of January. 0:00:46.782 --> 0:00:49.302 I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm Mea Friedman. 0:00:49.102 --> 0:00:51.382 And I'm Jesse Stevens, and we are in a new 0:00:51.422 --> 0:00:56.502 studio today. We are making the pivot to video. 0:00:57.262 --> 0:00:57.502 Yeah. 0:00:57.582 --> 0:00:59.662 It makes her sound really up with the times. 0:00:59.662 --> 0:01:01.982 And I just keep shouting, change is exciting. 0:01:02.422 --> 0:01:04.462 She does because you know that Holly and I and 0:01:04.581 --> 0:01:08.021 Nately resist change. We're not sure about it, but we 0:01:08.062 --> 0:01:09.902 are in a new studio. We've got like a fancy 0:01:09.941 --> 0:01:10.782 backdrop and everything. 0:01:10.862 --> 0:01:12.902 This isn't actually going to be our final home. This 0:01:12.941 --> 0:01:15.222 is our temporary studio while we build a new studio 0:01:15.702 --> 0:01:18.302 for ourselves. We're actually borrowing in studio to sort of 0:01:18.342 --> 0:01:21.182 get ready to go into our newstube. 0:01:21.262 --> 0:01:23.741 It's really cool where we are. It's got like hand 0:01:23.742 --> 0:01:27.782 and chairs, it's got like that. 0:01:27.902 --> 0:01:30.581 The office fancy. So I'm going to make a complaint. 0:01:30.582 --> 0:01:34.862 We fit right in anyway, There are some men around two. 0:01:35.222 --> 0:01:37.542 There are also I should note if you follow us 0:01:37.582 --> 0:01:40.022 on Instagram, if you don't, should our videos are going 0:01:40.022 --> 0:01:42.222 to look slightly different. So give us your feedback. We 0:01:42.222 --> 0:01:44.262 don't need to ask for it. They'll give it to us. Oh, 0:01:44.582 --> 0:01:45.581 let us know what they think. 0:01:45.902 --> 0:01:47.342 Indeed, they'll tell us. 0:01:47.862 --> 0:01:50.982 Anyway, It's a massive news week this week, with a 0:01:51.062 --> 0:01:55.182 tentative ceasefire coming into effecting Gaza Trump's inauguration in the 0:01:55.222 --> 0:01:57.702 early hours of tomorrow morning, and as we're about to 0:01:57.782 --> 0:02:01.582 jump into on today's show, many TikTok creators melting down 0:02:01.622 --> 0:02:04.062 about what's going on with their platform in the US. 0:02:04.622 --> 0:02:07.662 So is the TikTok band still in place? Might it 0:02:07.702 --> 0:02:10.822 come here? And why does it matter? Also, I'm not 0:02:10.942 --> 0:02:14.501 the only one having a year of nupe. Michelle Obama 0:02:14.542 --> 0:02:17.102 has rejected her invite to the Trump Party, and we 0:02:17.181 --> 0:02:21.181 think it's big. Letson Energy and Vanity Fair ran a 0:02:21.222 --> 0:02:24.022 full blown cover story about Megan and Harry, along with 0:02:24.102 --> 0:02:27.782 an eight thousand word piece We read it so you 0:02:27.822 --> 0:02:29.422 don't have to let's go. 0:02:31.342 --> 0:02:34.622 We want to hop on here and say goodbye to 0:02:34.702 --> 0:02:36.262 all fourteen million of you guys. 0:02:36.582 --> 0:02:39.262 It's just an app, but it's our whole life. 0:02:39.422 --> 0:02:42.022 No, because anyone else just been crying on this app 0:02:42.022 --> 0:02:47.661 all mate, because it feels like we're losing like community. 0:02:47.942 --> 0:02:49.702 It's just like, why would they take this app from 0:02:49.702 --> 0:02:51.662 the girls? Like if you wanted to take it, take 0:02:51.662 --> 0:02:53.462 it from the boys, not the girls. 0:02:53.542 --> 0:02:54.342 Not the girls. 0:02:54.462 --> 0:02:55.582 I cannot stop crying. 0:02:55.702 --> 0:02:57.582 It's emotional and it's sad. 0:02:58.062 --> 0:03:01.822 I feel so sad. I wonder how you actually would 0:03:01.822 --> 0:03:03.742 go about taking it away from just the boys. I 0:03:03.822 --> 0:03:05.742 quite like that idea. It's a possible solution. 0:03:06.302 --> 0:03:10.062 Late on Saturday, US time, TikTok users in a America 0:03:10.462 --> 0:03:13.422 found their app had stopped working. This was a few 0:03:13.422 --> 0:03:15.982 hours before a federal ban on the app was due 0:03:15.982 --> 0:03:19.902 to take effect. So when they opened TikTok, as some 0:03:19.982 --> 0:03:22.502 of them do every two to three minutes, they were 0:03:22.502 --> 0:03:26.222 presented with the following message, Sorry, TikTok is an available 0:03:26.302 --> 0:03:29.022 right now. A law banning TikTok has been enacted in 0:03:29.062 --> 0:03:33.542 the US. Unfortunately, this means you can't use TikTok for now. 0:03:33.702 --> 0:03:36.702 We are fortunate that President Trump has indicated that he 0:03:36.782 --> 0:03:39.462 will work with us on a solution to reinstate TikTok 0:03:39.742 --> 0:03:43.862 once he takes office. Please stay tuned because you wouldn't 0:03:43.862 --> 0:03:45.982 want TikTok to be full of propaganda. 0:03:45.662 --> 0:03:46.062 Would you. 0:03:46.102 --> 0:03:48.302 No, not at all exactly. 0:03:48.902 --> 0:03:52.422 Let's take forty five steps backwards because for years, lawmakers 0:03:52.422 --> 0:03:55.502 in Congress in the US have been worried about TikTok's 0:03:55.582 --> 0:03:59.502 Chinese ownership. This is for a lot of reasons. TikTok 0:03:59.622 --> 0:04:03.222 is owned by the Chinese company Byteedance, and US officials 0:04:03.262 --> 0:04:06.142 are worried that Chinese laws China is of course run 0:04:06.182 --> 0:04:09.422 by the Chinese Communist Party, could compel them to share 0:04:09.582 --> 0:04:14.022 information about their users sensitive data. They could monitor users, 0:04:14.142 --> 0:04:17.981 They could influence public opinion or elections. It could be 0:04:18.062 --> 0:04:21.502 used to gather intelligence on US citizens. So Jessee is. 0:04:21.541 --> 0:04:25.861 The heart of this that because China is a communist country, 0:04:26.142 --> 0:04:29.821 yep that Bite Downs is essentially controlled by the Chinese government. 0:04:29.981 --> 0:04:31.541 Is that the subtext. 0:04:31.061 --> 0:04:34.101 Correct and that we know that TikTok in terms of 0:04:34.142 --> 0:04:37.862 their settings, they can get details about your location, your 0:04:37.902 --> 0:04:41.901 browsing history. That's one element of it. The other element 0:04:41.941 --> 0:04:44.581 of it is if it is run by the Chinese 0:04:44.621 --> 0:04:49.741 Communist Party, then how about things like propaganda spreading misinformation? 0:04:50.301 --> 0:04:52.861 They have control in that way, which the US has 0:04:52.902 --> 0:04:54.501 been really really apprehensive about. 0:04:54.621 --> 0:04:59.101 And the TikTok algorithm is widely acknowledged as a whole 0:04:59.142 --> 0:05:02.622 other level from every other social media algorithm. So nobody 0:05:02.621 --> 0:05:05.861 knows exactly how that works, and that is proprietary information 0:05:05.981 --> 0:05:07.782 that a lot of people would like to get their 0:05:07.782 --> 0:05:08.262 hands on. 0:05:09.582 --> 0:05:13.061 Holders have said youth, mental health, economic concerns. Obviously, this 0:05:13.101 --> 0:05:16.222 isn't a US owned company, so that worries them as well. 0:05:16.262 --> 0:05:19.701 Whereas Twitter, a US owned blocking TikTok, we should also 0:05:19.741 --> 0:05:22.621 say it wasn't going to be unprecedented. India has blocked 0:05:22.662 --> 0:05:25.941 the app, as has Pakistan, and interestingly it has no 0:05:26.022 --> 0:05:29.222 presence in China. You might remember, oh, yeah, they don't 0:05:29.301 --> 0:05:30.701 use it there, they use different app. 0:05:30.702 --> 0:05:32.221 That's worrying. 0:05:32.501 --> 0:05:34.501 It is worry That's a bit like how the Silicon 0:05:34.582 --> 0:05:36.662 Valley tech bros don't let their kids have phones. 0:05:36.861 --> 0:05:38.261 Yeah, so we're going to put this in the US. 0:05:38.262 --> 0:05:41.062 We're going to spread misinformation, propaganda. We're going to turn 0:05:41.061 --> 0:05:43.501 you all on each other and see what happens. 0:05:43.782 --> 0:05:46.022 So an example of how it could be used I 0:05:46.061 --> 0:05:52.021 was reading is so, for example, one country invades another country. Yeah, 0:05:52.181 --> 0:05:56.381 suddenly your TikTok feed could be full of people in 0:05:56.421 --> 0:06:00.421 the country that was being invaded very happy about the invasion, 0:06:00.541 --> 0:06:03.662 and you could be led to believe, via an algorithm 0:06:04.022 --> 0:06:08.061 and via propaganda, that maybe that invasion was actually very cool. 0:06:08.381 --> 0:06:11.622 Yeah, exactly right. So you might remember all the way 0:06:11.662 --> 0:06:15.782 back in twenty twenty, President Donald Trump signed executive orders 0:06:15.782 --> 0:06:18.741 to ban TikTok. He said it was a national security risk. 0:06:19.301 --> 0:06:22.861 They wanted to force TikTok to sell US operations to 0:06:22.902 --> 0:06:26.222 an American company, So basically have an arm where the 0:06:26.262 --> 0:06:28.462 American side gets to do its own thing, it's got 0:06:28.462 --> 0:06:31.701 some independence. And Byte Dance said absolutely, we will not 0:06:31.741 --> 0:06:35.462 do that. Then in April twenty twenty four, US Congress 0:06:35.501 --> 0:06:38.662 passed a law saying either Byte Dance sells TikTok to 0:06:38.702 --> 0:06:41.662 a non Chinese owner, or we're shutting you down. And 0:06:41.702 --> 0:06:45.381 they chose the latter. So boom, one hundred and seventy 0:06:45.421 --> 0:06:49.342 million Americans who use the app suddenly couldn't until they could. 0:06:49.582 --> 0:06:52.941 Less than twenty four hours later, TikTok was restored. In 0:06:52.981 --> 0:06:57.541 a statement, TikTok said, we thank President Trump for providing 0:06:57.541 --> 0:07:01.062 the necessary clarity and assurance to our service providers. They 0:07:01.101 --> 0:07:05.621 basically said, we don't want to penalize the Americans using it, 0:07:05.821 --> 0:07:09.742 allowing over seven million small businesses to thrive. They and 0:07:09.941 --> 0:07:13.622 for the First Amendment right and against arbitrary censorship. 0:07:14.022 --> 0:07:17.502 Our business is thriving on TikTok. Small businesses I don't. 0:07:17.342 --> 0:07:19.822 Know, some do when some came out. I've seen a 0:07:19.821 --> 0:07:22.662 lot of business owners say that they've they've built their 0:07:22.662 --> 0:07:24.062 businesses off the back of TikTok. 0:07:24.102 --> 0:07:25.662 They did in ads made by TikTok. 0:07:25.982 --> 0:07:29.142 Yeah, but think about the economic impact. Think of say 0:07:29.222 --> 0:07:34.182 the tween's skincare craze right, almost entirely fed by TikTok. Right, 0:07:34.262 --> 0:07:37.702 that has entirely changed the beauty industry. So imagine if you. 0:07:37.662 --> 0:07:41.102 Take that out for some small business industry, like a 0:07:41.222 --> 0:07:45.342 cupcake shop on the corner. If you could leverage you know, 0:07:45.462 --> 0:07:48.302 TikTok properly, you can get your message out to a 0:07:48.302 --> 0:07:49.662 lot of people in a very free way. 0:07:49.941 --> 0:07:53.462 It's have you met an algorithm? And are you actually kidding? 0:07:53.902 --> 0:07:56.422 What we know about TikTok is that it's different to 0:07:56.502 --> 0:08:00.302 every other social media app in that followers don't really matter, 0:08:00.782 --> 0:08:04.142 and there's also no real rhyme nor reason to what 0:08:04.342 --> 0:08:06.742 goes viral. So I agree that, as you said, holy 0:08:06.862 --> 0:08:11.261 TikTok globally has a massive cultural in making trends. 0:08:11.381 --> 0:08:14.622 And then that has a commercial impact in selling stuff. 0:08:14.262 --> 0:08:16.742 It can, but you don't have any control over that 0:08:16.782 --> 0:08:18.902 because it's so random. So you can make a video 0:08:18.941 --> 0:08:21.782 that goes absolutely viral, and then you can make a 0:08:21.902 --> 0:08:24.302 hundred other videos that just don't and you don't know 0:08:24.342 --> 0:08:27.901 why because it's about this algorithm. And of course the 0:08:27.941 --> 0:08:30.662 other platforms are going the same way now because everybody's 0:08:30.941 --> 0:08:33.381 trying to be like TikTok, which an idea that it's 0:08:33.422 --> 0:08:36.342 helping small business is just not true. 0:08:36.542 --> 0:08:38.462 I think it is. I would argue with you on that. 0:08:38.502 --> 0:08:40.902 I think especially in like the travel space or whatever. 0:08:41.342 --> 0:08:44.462 You'll notice it. You'll go traveling and everyone is going 0:08:44.462 --> 0:08:46.622 to this cliff top bar. Yeah, why they're going to 0:08:46.622 --> 0:08:48.942 that clifftop bar because they've seen it. That's how travel 0:08:48.982 --> 0:08:50.422 has been things like that. 0:08:50.622 --> 0:08:54.822 It's curated, but it's accidental, Like you can't manufacture that 0:08:54.982 --> 0:08:58.102 unless guess what you pay for advertising on TikTok. You 0:08:58.182 --> 0:09:00.342 can't say, oh, I've got a million followers, I'm going 0:09:00.382 --> 0:09:01.822 to put out this thing and a million people will 0:09:01.862 --> 0:09:03.182 see it. Maybe there are a. 0:09:03.222 --> 0:09:05.342 Lot of businesses in the US which would have a 0:09:05.382 --> 0:09:08.102 TikTok department, and that's what I'm kind of interested about. 0:09:08.502 --> 0:09:11.102 But for context, Trump took a liking to the app 0:09:11.182 --> 0:09:12.942 last year because he used it a lot for his 0:09:13.022 --> 0:09:15.622 presidential campaign. He was kind of good at it, and 0:09:15.902 --> 0:09:19.142 it's unclear whether he actually has the power at this 0:09:19.222 --> 0:09:23.342 point to overrule the TikTok ban. My question is, Maya, 0:09:23.422 --> 0:09:24.702 what do you think happens now? 0:09:24.982 --> 0:09:27.742 We know that over the last or since Trump won 0:09:27.782 --> 0:09:32.182 the election, it's just been a procession of tech billionaires 0:09:32.662 --> 0:09:35.582 and CEOs making their way to Mari Lago, where he's 0:09:35.622 --> 0:09:38.782 been camped out, to kiss the ring and to curry 0:09:38.782 --> 0:09:41.862 favor with him because ironically, yes, he was the one 0:09:41.862 --> 0:09:45.262 that started all of this by saying TikTok should be banned. 0:09:45.022 --> 0:09:46.062 And then he's a savior. 0:09:46.142 --> 0:09:46.582 I can't. 0:09:46.782 --> 0:09:49.822 But of course that the beginning of the story. 0:09:49.462 --> 0:09:51.742 But that is such a great plot point, you know, 0:09:51.902 --> 0:09:55.062 and nobody remembers the beginning of anything. Everybody's just about 0:09:55.062 --> 0:09:56.982 what's happening right now. And also, he used to be 0:09:56.982 --> 0:09:58.982 at war with lots of the tech bros. He said 0:09:59.062 --> 0:10:00.982 Zuckerberg should be a jail. He was at war with 0:10:01.022 --> 0:10:03.142 lots of them, and now they're all onside. So he's 0:10:03.222 --> 0:10:07.062 very much positioning himself as the hero of free speech 0:10:07.142 --> 0:10:07.902 social media. 0:10:08.342 --> 0:10:12.222 Those guys no reck elation. So it's very on brand 0:10:12.222 --> 0:10:14.022 for him at the moment that he would be the savior. 0:10:14.222 --> 0:10:17.422 So we're about to enter the new phase of this 0:10:17.502 --> 0:10:21.022 reality show and Trump. You know, when it was very 0:10:21.142 --> 0:10:23.982 chaotic last time, and it was all about resistance and 0:10:24.022 --> 0:10:27.582 it was this you know, combative situation between Trump and everybody. 0:10:28.142 --> 0:10:31.862 Now it's completely different this second term, and it's a 0:10:31.902 --> 0:10:34.542 lot more about deference. There's no defiance, it's just deference. 0:10:34.902 --> 0:10:38.422 So what Trump would want is for it to be banned, 0:10:38.622 --> 0:10:41.302 because it's much more interesting if it's banned, and then 0:10:41.382 --> 0:10:44.622 he brings it back versus him stepping in before it's banned, 0:10:44.782 --> 0:10:46.982 do you know what I mean? So everyone's experienced it. 0:10:46.982 --> 0:10:48.702 It's a lot more more interesting, a lot more drama, 0:10:49.102 --> 0:10:50.142 more attention for him. 0:10:50.182 --> 0:10:52.342 The reason it came back, Biden has sort of said, 0:10:52.502 --> 0:10:53.582 I'm going to leave it to Trump. 0:10:53.742 --> 0:10:56.702 Yeah, because he's out. He literally has about six more hours. 0:10:56.942 --> 0:10:58.862 And there are all kinds of rumors about the sort 0:10:58.862 --> 0:11:00.942 of coalitions that are being put together that might be 0:11:00.942 --> 0:11:03.182 palatable for the US government to be able to say, look, 0:11:03.262 --> 0:11:06.102 now it's part American owned and all those things, and 0:11:06.142 --> 0:11:07.662 the CEO of TikTok is going to be at the 0:11:07.702 --> 0:11:09.942 inauguration sitting right next to all the other right on 0:11:09.942 --> 0:11:11.742 the stage, So it's going to be. 0:11:11.742 --> 0:11:15.942 Literally just they'll sell some of it to you because 0:11:15.982 --> 0:11:18.182 of that algorithm. So some people are like, oh, he's 0:11:18.222 --> 0:11:19.582 just setting it up so he can sell it to 0:11:19.582 --> 0:11:23.382 Elon Musk, who is Vice President in waiting. Why that 0:11:23.462 --> 0:11:27.782 won't happen is that this algorithm, this algorithm is so 0:11:28.462 --> 0:11:32.462 some say dodgy, some say incredibly powerful. It's probably both. 0:11:33.182 --> 0:11:36.742 No one wants that ip to get out to competitors, 0:11:36.782 --> 0:11:39.342 and Twitter is a competitor. So even though Elon would 0:11:39.382 --> 0:11:42.502 love it and Trump would probably like Elon to have it, 0:11:42.542 --> 0:11:45.542 Trump's all about the deal. Actually, his favorite thing is 0:11:45.542 --> 0:11:47.942 when people are fighting with each other. So he's now 0:11:47.982 --> 0:11:51.381 got the CEO of TikTok, he's got Mark Zuckerberg, he's 0:11:51.382 --> 0:11:54.502 got Elon, he's got Jeff Bezos. They're all just competing 0:11:54.542 --> 0:11:57.222 with each other, Sam Altman from Open Aie, They're all 0:11:57.262 --> 0:12:00.622 just competing with each other to see who can do 0:12:00.822 --> 0:12:01.702 whatever Trump wants. 0:12:01.902 --> 0:12:04.382 My kids confidently told me that mister Beast is buying it, 0:12:04.822 --> 0:12:08.262 so that actually, and they're like, don't worry, he's going 0:12:08.342 --> 0:12:12.182 to save it. And I'm like, Sam, legit. Anyway, I 0:12:12.222 --> 0:12:14.582 want to talk about the response. Because we started this 0:12:14.662 --> 0:12:17.342 segment by playing all the sound of all the TikTok 0:12:17.542 --> 0:12:21.542 creators crying. Now it's easy to mock that. I can 0:12:21.622 --> 0:12:23.822 understand it. I mean, the thing we were just arguing 0:12:23.862 --> 0:12:25.702 about whether or not people make money from TikTok. Of 0:12:25.702 --> 0:12:28.382 course they do in different ways. You know, if Instagram 0:12:28.462 --> 0:12:31.702 has suddenly disappeared tomorrow, I would take a financial hit, 0:12:31.782 --> 0:12:32.582 like I literally would. 0:12:32.622 --> 0:12:33.902 I mark in my books. 0:12:33.582 --> 0:12:36.302 Through that, we promote our podcasts through that, we make 0:12:36.342 --> 0:12:39.662 content through that. So for some people it's about livelihood, 0:12:39.982 --> 0:12:43.182 but for many, many, many more, it's just about It's 0:12:43.262 --> 0:12:46.302 really interesting in the way we've completely changed our view 0:12:46.342 --> 0:12:49.182 of what media is and how we now see the 0:12:49.182 --> 0:12:51.822 social platforms that we check, as you said, Jesse every 0:12:51.822 --> 0:12:56.022 two or three minutes, not as private companies or media organizations, 0:12:56.382 --> 0:13:00.622 but like air and water, line rights, basic service, basic services, 0:13:00.702 --> 0:13:03.982 human rights, things we can't do without, but our lives 0:13:04.022 --> 0:13:07.422 are there. How could you take that? It's really hard 0:13:07.462 --> 0:13:10.342 not to sound a bit boomery to say this, but 0:13:10.422 --> 0:13:14.062 that's kind of really sad. It's really sad addiction, isn't it. 0:13:14.062 --> 0:13:17.302 It's literal addiction. I think it's really interesting to see that. 0:13:17.422 --> 0:13:20.262 You know, we love it. It's constant distraction, it's our 0:13:20.582 --> 0:13:23.902 particular choice of entertainment and all these things. But it 0:13:23.942 --> 0:13:27.062 isn't air or water, it isn't real human connection, and 0:13:27.102 --> 0:13:30.982 it's really difficult to, i think, for people to get 0:13:30.982 --> 0:13:34.382 their heads around the attachment people have. So you probably 0:13:34.462 --> 0:13:36.262 might have seen a lot of headlines over the weekend 0:13:36.382 --> 0:13:40.862 saying Americans are now logging onto other Chinese owned social 0:13:40.902 --> 0:13:44.742 media platforms, laugh particularly one called red Note, because they 0:13:44.782 --> 0:13:49.822 would rather almost anything than to not have their version 0:13:49.862 --> 0:13:51.502 of TikTok when they open their phone. 0:13:51.822 --> 0:13:54.822 It's one the headline. The headline on the drum was 0:13:54.942 --> 0:13:57.982 TikTok evacuees would rather learn Mandarin for red note than 0:13:58.062 --> 0:14:00.342 use meta, Which is funny because you might have noticed 0:14:00.342 --> 0:14:03.302 in the last week Meta changed how your grid looks. 0:14:03.342 --> 0:14:06.382 Have you noticed this? They've changed it into the TikTok 0:14:07.182 --> 0:14:10.822 dimensions exactly. Look, as you were saying with content creators, 0:14:11.302 --> 0:14:14.862 I understand crying as a content creator. Eighty five percent 0:14:14.902 --> 0:14:18.022 of those content creators are women, and they're making a 0:14:18.062 --> 0:14:20.182 decent living. There's a creative fund. 0:14:20.302 --> 0:14:22.302 I don't know how many. No, the creative fund gives 0:14:22.342 --> 0:14:25.462 almost nothing, So I think some people are making money. 0:14:25.542 --> 0:14:28.022 Most people are not making money. So I think what 0:14:28.062 --> 0:14:31.542 they dangle is the prospect of making money. You know, oh, 0:14:31.582 --> 0:14:33.862 you could go viral this video you just post again, 0:14:33.942 --> 0:14:36.062 you could go viral. You could go viral. But even 0:14:36.062 --> 0:14:39.022 the people who go viral can they then monetize that 0:14:39.102 --> 0:14:42.462 virality because it's so random. It's really hard. It is. 0:14:42.542 --> 0:14:45.182 But I think it would be wrong to suggest that 0:14:45.182 --> 0:14:46.902 no one's making money off it like they are. Some 0:14:46.942 --> 0:14:48.702 people have a real, real livelihood. 0:14:48.822 --> 0:14:50.542 Also, it makes them famous and they can speak it 0:14:50.702 --> 0:14:53.222 off to other things. Yeah, I think it's more branding. 0:14:53.302 --> 0:14:55.862 And everyone has said TikTok. I'm like any other social 0:14:55.862 --> 0:14:57.982 media app ever created will make you go faster. It 0:14:58.022 --> 0:15:00.302 will make you go viral faster than anything. In that way, 0:15:00.542 --> 0:15:01.142 it's easier. 0:15:01.302 --> 0:15:03.462 I think it's interesting what you said whole. If someone 0:15:03.502 --> 0:15:08.142 said I'm taking your phone away tomorrow, I would be 0:15:08.142 --> 0:15:10.742 because I'm addicted to it, and also because I assume 0:15:11.182 --> 0:15:13.342 having a phone and having connection to the Internet is 0:15:13.382 --> 0:15:16.902 a human right, Like I get that this idea of 0:15:16.942 --> 0:15:18.622 what do you mean I can't have it? 0:15:18.742 --> 0:15:22.782 And for a generation, this isn't only an entertainment app. 0:15:23.102 --> 0:15:24.902 It's news, it's Google. 0:15:25.102 --> 0:15:27.222 There also be nits. But used to being told no. 0:15:27.342 --> 0:15:29.822 Well yeah, but I'm trying to think of a comparison. 0:15:29.862 --> 0:15:31.622 I mean, think about you in the eighties or whatever, 0:15:31.622 --> 0:15:33.502 if someone tried to take your TV, Like it's a 0:15:33.542 --> 0:15:36.742 similar comparison. But I think that if it is something, 0:15:36.782 --> 0:15:40.662 if it's the way that you search anything, it's like, 0:15:41.102 --> 0:15:43.182 how do I even live now? It's not like any 0:15:43.182 --> 0:15:44.022 other product. 0:15:44.302 --> 0:15:47.062 It's interesting though, because without wanting to go to weeedy, 0:15:47.142 --> 0:15:49.342 what me is saying about the way the algorithm owns 0:15:49.382 --> 0:15:53.462 us all is true. But also this trend and we've 0:15:53.462 --> 0:15:55.222 talked about it all the tech guys who are going 0:15:55.262 --> 0:15:57.982 to be sitting very front and center on that stage tomorrow. 0:15:58.582 --> 0:16:02.182 Is In Zuckerberg's interview with Joe Rogan, he very much 0:16:02.222 --> 0:16:05.262 paints himself and the other tech companies as massive victims 0:16:05.302 --> 0:16:08.542 of government overreach. Right, so he very much says, you know, 0:16:09.022 --> 0:16:11.222 government's all over the world, and I assume when he 0:16:11.262 --> 0:16:14.102 says that, he is also partly referencing Australia and our 0:16:14.262 --> 0:16:17.382 upcoming social media band are trying to limit our business, 0:16:17.542 --> 0:16:19.902 trying to take your information away from you, trying to 0:16:19.902 --> 0:16:23.222 take away your free speech. And so it's very on 0:16:23.502 --> 0:16:26.382 brand at the moment, very popular because they don't want 0:16:26.422 --> 0:16:28.022 to be regulated. Yet they don't want to be regulated, 0:16:28.102 --> 0:16:29.782 they want to make more and more money. But happily 0:16:29.782 --> 0:16:33.462 they've also made their users, including all of us, believe 0:16:33.582 --> 0:16:37.102 that their services are so essential and they're trying to 0:16:37.102 --> 0:16:39.342 be taken away. And so that's why it's so genius 0:16:39.382 --> 0:16:42.382 in a way that when an Americans opened TikTok yesterday 0:16:42.422 --> 0:16:45.462 and saw that it was gone, the President Trump of 0:16:45.502 --> 0:16:49.542 it all in that message was immediately like, but Daddy 0:16:49.542 --> 0:16:51.342 Trump is going to come along and he's going to 0:16:51.382 --> 0:16:54.702 give all you kids back your TikTok, and all those people, 0:16:54.782 --> 0:16:57.582 young people, many of whom probably are not sympathetic to 0:16:57.622 --> 0:17:01.702 President Trump in general, are going to be like, thanks, Dad. 0:17:01.622 --> 0:17:05.941 He saved us. Those companies have so far been stifled 0:17:05.942 --> 0:17:07.022 by government overreach. 0:17:07.101 --> 0:17:08.142 Can you imagine what will happen? 0:17:08.182 --> 0:17:10.742 You imagine what would happen when they're. 0:17:10.502 --> 0:17:14.342 Not After the break, Michelle Obama has taken on Holly's 0:17:14.341 --> 0:17:17.022 word of the Year, and I have an announcement. 0:17:19.381 --> 0:17:23.982 Four bush and a bikini full bush, and a bikini 0:17:24.422 --> 0:17:30.901 full bush and a bikini like full bush in a bikini. 0:17:31.502 --> 0:17:33.462 Friends, it wouldn't be the start of the year without 0:17:33.502 --> 0:17:36.581 important pubic hair news. And today we have some full 0:17:36.621 --> 0:17:38.782 bush in a bikini. As you just heard, is a 0:17:38.782 --> 0:17:41.742 phrase that I'd like to consider for our first out 0:17:41.782 --> 0:17:45.821 loud merch drop because it speaks to a growing full 0:17:45.861 --> 0:17:49.141 bush movement in the pants of gen Z women while 0:17:49.222 --> 0:17:52.621 gen X and boomer women are feeling very excited about 0:17:52.702 --> 0:17:56.702 finally having on trend pubes. Happy days. All right, let's 0:17:56.742 --> 0:18:00.302 unpack these pubes together. The woman you just heard is 0:18:00.341 --> 0:18:02.381 the one we have to thank for this new phrase. 0:18:02.661 --> 0:18:06.262 Her name is Suninda, and she's a regular person on TikTok. 0:18:06.262 --> 0:18:10.381 Funnily enough, who was just scrolling through Etsy and found 0:18:10.422 --> 0:18:12.861 this bikini that she quite liked. And underneath there were 0:18:12.942 --> 0:18:16.422 all these reviews from people who'd bought the bikini, including 0:18:16.702 --> 0:18:19.262 someone who'd bought it and posted a picture of herself, 0:18:19.262 --> 0:18:22.581 and in this picture it was a positive review. Suninda 0:18:22.742 --> 0:18:26.182 noticed that she had a very, very full bush. Now 0:18:26.341 --> 0:18:30.221 nobody can actually locate this photo, because yes, I have tried. 0:18:30.661 --> 0:18:33.581 The sentiment is being widely embraced by the thirteen million 0:18:33.581 --> 0:18:37.382 people who've watched that video about it. Now, this does 0:18:37.422 --> 0:18:39.821 seem to be bad news for laser people who might 0:18:39.861 --> 0:18:43.302 want to consider merkans, because laser is sadly not reversible. 0:18:43.821 --> 0:18:48.302 There has been some really awesome commentary overall, translating to 0:18:48.742 --> 0:18:54.022 you do you. One particular poetic observer noted pubic hair, 0:18:54.182 --> 0:18:57.581 often viewed through a lens of societal uneasy taboo, is 0:18:57.661 --> 0:19:01.742 here reclaimed as a form of personal expression and empowerment, 0:19:02.341 --> 0:19:06.061 and another person brilliantly described it as age one week 0:19:06.141 --> 0:19:11.901 born on TikTok appearance dense and luxuriant. The movement's unofficial 0:19:11.942 --> 0:19:15.901 motto comes from this comment. Every time you keep your 0:19:15.901 --> 0:19:19.621 bush despite societal pressures an angel gains its wings. 0:19:19.901 --> 0:19:23.022 Yeah, have you guys seen this at the beach this summer? No, 0:19:23.182 --> 0:19:24.101 I've seen it in the wild. 0:19:24.262 --> 0:19:26.061 I think I see it anyway, because I hang around 0:19:26.101 --> 0:19:29.702 with normal people. Yeah, exactly, we still have pubic care. 0:19:30.101 --> 0:19:31.142 I've definitely seen. 0:19:30.942 --> 0:19:33.502 A very judgmental comment. Me is glaring at me because 0:19:33.542 --> 0:19:35.542 it sound like I'm saying that people who don't have 0:19:35.581 --> 0:19:37.861 pubic care not normal. No, No, I retract that comment. 0:19:38.022 --> 0:19:39.061 You misread my look. 0:19:39.141 --> 0:19:43.101 It was what situations are you in where you see 0:19:43.262 --> 0:19:45.262 other women's pubic care when. 0:19:45.182 --> 0:19:46.982 Miss the beach and it's coming out of the sides 0:19:47.022 --> 0:19:47.662 of their bikini. 0:19:47.661 --> 0:19:50.542 But so you have seen it in the wild, Okay. 0:19:50.381 --> 0:19:52.141 And when you're saying you don't think it's intentional, I 0:19:52.182 --> 0:19:52.622 don't think. 0:19:52.742 --> 0:19:54.821 I don't think i've seen it in the wild as 0:19:54.861 --> 0:19:57.342 like a cool TikTok trend. I think I've just seen 0:19:57.381 --> 0:19:59.222 it in the wild as the way that women look 0:19:59.262 --> 0:20:00.502 when they go swimming at the beach. 0:20:00.542 --> 0:20:04.861 Sometimes I wonder if as a result of the new 0:20:04.982 --> 0:20:06.941 cut of bikinis. When I say new, let's say the 0:20:07.022 --> 0:20:10.901 last two years, yes, is inevitable have gone? I either 0:20:10.982 --> 0:20:14.742 remove with a tweezer every single hair I've ever grown, 0:20:15.101 --> 0:20:17.941 or I just embrace this because the cut at the 0:20:17.982 --> 0:20:21.262 front I quite like a not a boyleg, but like, 0:20:21.502 --> 0:20:23.661 oh yeah, I don't do a G string or whatever. 0:20:23.742 --> 0:20:26.302 I just the high nineties, the high nineties thing. 0:20:26.742 --> 0:20:28.741 I mean, you can get a great bikini like you 0:20:28.782 --> 0:20:32.022 can do your bikini line. You've not even half removed 0:20:32.022 --> 0:20:33.982 what's going to be on show. So I think people 0:20:33.982 --> 0:20:37.061 have just gone it's all too hard. Let the bush fly. 0:20:38.101 --> 0:20:42.902 Tomorrow is the coronation, sorry, inauguration of Donald Trump as 0:20:42.942 --> 0:20:45.821 the returning president of the USA. And look, we're going 0:20:45.901 --> 0:20:48.502 to be pulling Amelia Lester out of the corner. She's 0:20:48.621 --> 0:20:51.861 likely rocking in to attend our debrief when we're going 0:20:51.901 --> 0:20:54.942 to record a little episode about the event just for subscribers. 0:20:55.381 --> 0:20:58.821 But someone who is not accepting her invitation to the party, which, 0:20:58.901 --> 0:21:01.101 unlike the last time Trump took off, is going to 0:21:01.101 --> 0:21:05.581 be a big, well attended affair with huge, very well 0:21:05.581 --> 0:21:09.341 funded victory parties all over town, is Michelle Obama, who 0:21:09.381 --> 0:21:12.942 is we've decided giving big let them energy to her 0:21:13.061 --> 0:21:16.901 year of nup. Her husband is going, Hillary Clinton is going, 0:21:17.141 --> 0:21:20.502 Kamala Harris and Doug are going. Former presidents Bush and 0:21:20.542 --> 0:21:22.702 Clinton and the current one we think he's called Joe 0:21:22.702 --> 0:21:26.221 Biden will be there, of course with Jill. But Michelle 0:21:26.302 --> 0:21:29.581 has said nup, not doing it, and I think it 0:21:29.702 --> 0:21:32.742 means something. Last time Trump was standing on that White 0:21:32.742 --> 0:21:34.821 House stage in his big coat, it was the Obamas 0:21:34.821 --> 0:21:38.221 who were leaving office, and she said, understandably perhaps that 0:21:38.341 --> 0:21:41.262 she cried her eyes out afterwards. Here's a little bit 0:21:41.341 --> 0:21:42.502 of what she said about it. 0:21:42.661 --> 0:21:46.941 To sit on that stage and watch the opposite of 0:21:46.982 --> 0:21:50.582 what we represented on display. There was no diversity, there 0:21:50.661 --> 0:21:53.861 was no color on that stage. There was no reflection 0:21:54.141 --> 0:21:59.061 of the broader sense of America. I cried for thirty 0:21:59.101 --> 0:22:04.302 minutes straight, uncontrollable sobbing, because that's how much we were 0:22:04.341 --> 0:22:06.782 holding it together for eight years. 0:22:07.182 --> 0:22:10.902 So this time she is protecting her peace and nupping 0:22:10.901 --> 0:22:15.142 it so we believe, is Nancy Pelosi. I wonder if 0:22:15.141 --> 0:22:17.061 this is all part of the lessons being learned from 0:22:17.061 --> 0:22:20.101 the Trump era, like fuck the rules, fuck the niceties, 0:22:20.182 --> 0:22:23.661 We're gonna do what we want to do. Because former 0:22:23.702 --> 0:22:27.821 president's wives have always gone to these things. Michelle Obama, though, 0:22:27.901 --> 0:22:29.941 is one of the most high profile of all of 0:22:29.982 --> 0:22:32.341 those women, and she is not going to go and 0:22:32.381 --> 0:22:35.302 smile and shake hands with the man she's openly criticized 0:22:35.341 --> 0:22:36.941 in the past, unlike a lot of the people who 0:22:36.982 --> 0:22:38.862 are going to be there, who have said awful things 0:22:38.901 --> 0:22:42.101 about Trump before, but now suddenly, as we just discussed, 0:22:42.141 --> 0:22:44.302 are saying, Oh, actually he's fine. Here, I have some money, 0:22:44.422 --> 0:22:45.341 let's have a party. 0:22:45.901 --> 0:22:46.141 Mia. 0:22:46.302 --> 0:22:49.222 Does Michelle's not have a broader significance? 0:22:49.901 --> 0:22:52.222 I thought it was really interesting that she did this 0:22:52.502 --> 0:22:56.502 after last week or the week before not attending Jimmy 0:22:56.542 --> 0:22:57.861 Carter's funeral as well. 0:22:57.982 --> 0:22:59.581 What was the reason for that? Has she said? What 0:22:59.621 --> 0:23:00.261 the reason was? 0:23:00.462 --> 0:23:03.542 She the reason that she gave for not attending Jimmy 0:23:03.581 --> 0:23:06.222 Carter's funeral, He was the oldest living president, and every 0:23:06.222 --> 0:23:08.621 other living president was there. There were some really funny 0:23:08.661 --> 0:23:11.981 memes and videos about that. But she said she had 0:23:12.022 --> 0:23:14.621 a scheduling conflict, and it was later discovered that she 0:23:14.742 --> 0:23:18.141 was on holiday I think in Hawaii or somewhere, and 0:23:18.222 --> 0:23:20.262 so that actually all sparked up a little bit of 0:23:20.302 --> 0:23:23.262 divorce rumors over the weekend. How are the Obama's doing? 0:23:23.302 --> 0:23:25.262 They haven't been seen in public for a while, which 0:23:25.262 --> 0:23:29.542 Obama hosed down by posting a happy birthday photo with 0:23:29.621 --> 0:23:32.502 him and Michelle holding hands over a table, and she commented, 0:23:32.542 --> 0:23:36.382 love you honey anyway her nup. I think, Holly, you've 0:23:36.422 --> 0:23:39.382 nailed it. It's you know, if you've read Becoming, which 0:23:39.422 --> 0:23:44.421 we all have. Michelle's autobiography, she talks so much about 0:23:44.422 --> 0:23:49.182 being the first Black first lady and how she had 0:23:49.222 --> 0:23:53.422 to just be so so diligent about not giving anybody 0:23:53.462 --> 0:23:56.861 anything to weaponize against her and against black women and 0:23:56.901 --> 0:24:01.501 black people by being perfect essentially, And imagine what it 0:24:01.782 --> 0:24:03.901 must have felt like for her to then leave and 0:24:03.942 --> 0:24:07.141 then see basically Milania just came in and took a 0:24:07.182 --> 0:24:11.381 big dump over what that role has traditioned been, including 0:24:11.581 --> 0:24:14.742 my personal highlight of wearing the jacket saying I don't 0:24:14.782 --> 0:24:17.141 care to you when she was going to visit children 0:24:17.141 --> 0:24:20.782 in cages. So I think she's literally just drawn a 0:24:20.821 --> 0:24:24.101 line in the sand. She's having the year of nap, 0:24:24.702 --> 0:24:28.341 just like you whole, and I think that everybody's seen, 0:24:28.901 --> 0:24:32.302 particularly women. You can do everything right, Kamala Harras. You 0:24:32.341 --> 0:24:35.302 can be even Hillary Clinton, you can be qualified, You 0:24:35.341 --> 0:24:37.421 can do all the right things, you can say all 0:24:37.422 --> 0:24:40.181 the right things, and it doesn't seem to matter. 0:24:40.621 --> 0:24:43.382 I think she's read let them. I reckon she read 0:24:43.381 --> 0:24:45.861 her over the holidays, because I know that Oprah, how 0:24:45.901 --> 0:24:48.381 I believe you know they're in a chap. Sure, Oprah 0:24:48.422 --> 0:24:51.542 read it. Oprah loved it. I think she said, Michelle, 0:24:51.661 --> 0:24:53.622 not passive aggressively, but just said, I think you'd get 0:24:53.621 --> 0:24:54.181 a lot out of this. 0:24:54.381 --> 0:24:55.741 Yeah, let them have their party. 0:24:55.901 --> 0:24:58.262 Yes, let them have their party, but let me not come. 0:24:58.502 --> 0:25:00.702 And that's what she's decided to do. 0:25:00.821 --> 0:25:03.061 Because I ask you, though, Jessie, because you're very good 0:25:03.061 --> 0:25:06.302 at this, what's the respectful line of nup in that situation? 0:25:06.422 --> 0:25:09.981 Because when you lose, you shake the hand of the winner, 0:25:10.502 --> 0:25:13.221 and you know the progressive side of politics, and made 0:25:13.262 --> 0:25:17.141 a big deal of that after the insurrection in Washington 0:25:17.381 --> 0:25:20.221 in twenty twenty one. So you shake the hand, you 0:25:20.302 --> 0:25:24.061 follow the niceties. Is there like a disrespectful line of nup? 0:25:24.101 --> 0:25:25.782 Because does that also mean you have to go? 0:25:26.182 --> 0:25:28.542 You were right? I was wrong. I reckon she did 0:25:28.542 --> 0:25:32.542 that in twenty sixteen watching the Obamas after Trump said 0:25:32.982 --> 0:25:37.462 that Barack Obama was the head of isis total falsehoods 0:25:37.581 --> 0:25:40.221 about them For them to show up at his inauguration 0:25:40.782 --> 0:25:44.382 and shake his hand and be respectful they did their job. 0:25:44.661 --> 0:25:47.742 She's no longer the first lady. I think your job's finished. 0:25:47.821 --> 0:25:48.702 It's so fine. 0:25:48.782 --> 0:25:52.061 Yeah, whereas your role as a former president, your job's 0:25:52.141 --> 0:25:53.221 kind of neverit different. 0:25:53.341 --> 0:25:55.101 It's different. And she wasn't the president, she was the 0:25:55.101 --> 0:25:55.661 first lady. 0:25:55.542 --> 0:25:57.981 Because Obama sat next to Trump at the funeral. Yeah, 0:25:58.022 --> 0:26:01.542 and they were famously seen. He was sort of like laughing. 0:26:01.581 --> 0:26:03.221 I mean, he was making small talk. He'd have to. 0:26:03.502 --> 0:26:05.861 And let's not forget there is one president in all 0:26:05.942 --> 0:26:08.221 of US history who did not show up to an inauguration, 0:26:08.702 --> 0:26:10.661 and it was Donald Trump and Millennia. They did not 0:26:10.702 --> 0:26:13.902 show up to Joe bien As inauguration. So I totally 0:26:14.262 --> 0:26:17.462 respect her move. There's another nut story this week. I'm 0:26:17.462 --> 0:26:20.661 not sure if you've seen it. So Novak Djokovic is 0:26:20.702 --> 0:26:23.861 also embracing his year of nuts. Some would say, you know, 0:26:23.901 --> 0:26:26.381 we're going on to twenty years of nut with Djokovic. 0:26:26.581 --> 0:26:28.701 You're a tennis correspondent. 0:26:28.141 --> 0:26:31.022 Yes, Australian Open, so this is the news today. He 0:26:31.101 --> 0:26:34.302 won his quarter final last night and then he refused 0:26:34.381 --> 0:26:36.821 to speak to the reporter on the court. He just 0:26:36.942 --> 0:26:39.142 kind of said something to the audience and then walked off. 0:26:39.782 --> 0:26:43.542 He was speaking afterwards about why he made that decision. 0:26:43.702 --> 0:26:45.901 The reason why I chose not to do that is 0:26:45.942 --> 0:26:50.061 because a few days ago a famous a sports journalist 0:26:50.061 --> 0:26:53.542 here from Australia who works for a main broadcaster of 0:26:53.581 --> 0:26:57.381 Australia and open at Channel nine, decided to mock a 0:26:57.462 --> 0:27:02.701 Serbian fans and he made insulting and offensive comments towards me. 0:27:03.621 --> 0:27:07.341 So I was hoping he's going to apologize in public, 0:27:07.381 --> 0:27:08.621 which he hasn't done yet. 0:27:09.581 --> 0:27:11.022 I made it into the channel name. 0:27:11.182 --> 0:27:13.701 So what did Jones actually say? Here's a grab of 0:27:13.702 --> 0:27:15.102 what he said the other day back to. 0:27:15.061 --> 0:27:18.661 Melbourne Park where you can see the Novak Djokovic fans 0:27:18.661 --> 0:27:23.061 there in full voice. Yeah, the chances are quite exuretiny Novak, 0:27:23.101 --> 0:27:27.941 he's overrated. Novaksa has the Novack kicking out. 0:27:28.821 --> 0:27:30.141 Oh I'm glad they can't hear me. 0:27:30.341 --> 0:27:32.901 But wasn't he just repeating what the chances were saying. 0:27:34.101 --> 0:27:37.382 They were actually supporters and he mocked the Serbian fans, 0:27:37.942 --> 0:27:41.821 which Novak hated. I reckon it's totally fair enough for 0:27:41.942 --> 0:27:46.221 him to finish playing a match which he won. You know, 0:27:46.302 --> 0:27:47.742 he's been the number one in the world for a 0:27:47.821 --> 0:27:49.342 very long time. I'm not sure if he is right now, 0:27:49.381 --> 0:27:52.022 but he has been to be mocked by a commentator 0:27:52.061 --> 0:27:54.421 like that. It's like, no, I'm not going to come 0:27:54.422 --> 0:27:57.022 out and talk to you. And then this morning Jones 0:27:57.022 --> 0:27:57.941 came out and apologize. 0:27:57.942 --> 0:28:00.221 Remember when Michelle Obama said when they go low, we 0:28:00.302 --> 0:28:01.702 go high about Donald Trump. 0:28:02.341 --> 0:28:05.102 Now it's when we go low we go to Hawaii, 0:28:05.101 --> 0:28:05.702 we don't. 0:28:05.502 --> 0:28:08.661 Go It's interesting because I reckon that fits into the 0:28:08.702 --> 0:28:11.181 screw of the rules. Who because it's like, you have 0:28:11.262 --> 0:28:13.142 to give an interview to this particular journalist. 0:28:13.302 --> 0:28:14.502 This is the official broadcaster. 0:28:14.621 --> 0:28:16.381 You absolutely have to. This is how it works. It's 0:28:16.422 --> 0:28:17.901 always been done like this, so on and so on 0:28:17.942 --> 0:28:20.262 and so on, and there's just a whole lot of people, 0:28:20.422 --> 0:28:22.941 powerful people, it has to be said, who are able 0:28:22.982 --> 0:28:26.061 to do it just going not gonna don't like you, 0:28:26.462 --> 0:28:27.221 that's not okay. 0:28:27.581 --> 0:28:29.782 On that note, I've got a little announcement. For the 0:28:29.782 --> 0:28:33.101 first time in out Loud history, I am changing my 0:28:33.141 --> 0:28:36.941 word of the Year. Oh so I should have known 0:28:37.022 --> 0:28:40.142 there was a problem when because out Loud as we 0:28:40.182 --> 0:28:42.741 record our word of the Year episode just before we 0:28:42.782 --> 0:28:44.542 go off on Christmas break, can we release it on 0:28:44.542 --> 0:28:48.142 news Day? As is tradition but when I was away, 0:28:48.661 --> 0:28:50.822 even before the episode came out, I couldn't remember what 0:28:50.822 --> 0:28:51.382 the word is. 0:28:51.862 --> 0:28:55.502 I actually can't remember right now. It was make okay mate. 0:28:55.502 --> 0:28:57.782 I don't want that word a bit. I refuse to 0:28:57.822 --> 0:29:00.862 have it. My word is going to be let them. 0:29:01.182 --> 0:29:03.902 And I know I'm breaking two rules. Not only am 0:29:03.902 --> 0:29:06.462 I changing my word, but I'm usually the stickler for 0:29:06.542 --> 0:29:08.462 you can't have more than one word. It can all 0:29:08.502 --> 0:29:11.502 be made one word with a hyphen. And I didn't 0:29:11.542 --> 0:29:14.542 know about let them before, and I've just found myself 0:29:14.702 --> 0:29:17.982 using that so much in January when I couldn't remember 0:29:18.022 --> 0:29:20.062 what my other word was. So I'm changing. 0:29:20.102 --> 0:29:23.862 Them them, turn it into one word, let them, leave them, 0:29:23.942 --> 0:29:24.302 let them. 0:29:24.342 --> 0:29:25.862 We should say, if you missed our word of the 0:29:25.902 --> 0:29:28.542 Year episode, we'll have a link in our show notes. 0:29:28.582 --> 0:29:30.822 And apparently there are new rules and you can just 0:29:30.942 --> 0:29:36.461 choose a word now I need. The new season of 0:29:36.502 --> 0:29:39.661 I'm a Celebrity premiered last night, and no one recognized 0:29:39.661 --> 0:29:42.702 each other. That's hyperbolic, but in an article for news 0:29:42.742 --> 0:29:45.342 dot com dot Au, Nick Bond writes it makes for 0:29:45.382 --> 0:29:48.021 an awkward I'm a celeb premiere when even the stars 0:29:48.022 --> 0:29:51.781 don't recognize each other. Samantha, who featured on Married at 0:29:51.782 --> 0:29:54.741 First Sight, asked sam Ti Day, the former captain of 0:29:54.742 --> 0:30:00.382 the Brisbane Broncos, so what's your talent? I really like 0:30:00.462 --> 0:30:02.382 the use of the word in there. 0:30:02.742 --> 0:30:05.142 But before you went in, don't you reckon? You'd bone 0:30:05.222 --> 0:30:08.062 up on like every possible person who might be in there, 0:30:08.102 --> 0:30:09.502 so you could go sah. 0:30:09.782 --> 0:30:11.981 Holly, you could have done that and you still wouldn't 0:30:11.982 --> 0:30:13.742 have come across some of these. I'm going to throw 0:30:13.782 --> 0:30:18.942 some names at you. Zach Towhey, guess, come on, guess. 0:30:19.422 --> 0:30:24.102 Zach Towey. Does he have a you know what? 0:30:24.222 --> 0:30:29.262 He might, but he's an AFL player, Tina proves, Come on. 0:30:29.222 --> 0:30:31.102 Tina influencers. 0:30:31.422 --> 0:30:32.102 I feel bad. 0:30:32.262 --> 0:30:35.741 Love Island contestant probably has more flowers than both of 0:30:35.742 --> 0:30:40.742 you put together on Instagram. I'm sure going Holy yeah right, 0:30:42.262 --> 0:30:47.461 Max Blegda never heard he's so famous. He is a 0:30:47.582 --> 0:30:50.542 UK TikTok creator with you half a million followers or something. 0:30:50.982 --> 0:30:53.902 There's also Nikky Buckley. What do I feel like? You know? 0:30:54.102 --> 0:30:54.662 Sale of the. 0:30:54.622 --> 0:31:00.302 Century Maddie j who he is from Lovely Chat podcaster 0:31:00.502 --> 0:31:00.982 married to. 0:31:02.742 --> 0:31:08.902 Shana Jack No decorator, olympian. Oh you're thinking of I 0:31:08.942 --> 0:31:12.942 know she thinks she's on a TV Who's on the block. 0:31:13.462 --> 0:31:16.421 Blaze, she'd be quite different. 0:31:17.462 --> 0:31:21.941 Shana Jack Swims, Reggie Bird. Do we remember Reggie? She 0:31:22.022 --> 0:31:22.622 won Big Brother? 0:31:23.222 --> 0:31:27.262 Oh Reggie? I remember that Reggie lost her sight, didn't 0:31:27.262 --> 0:31:28.022 she recently? 0:31:28.062 --> 0:31:29.702 She's got a degenerate condition. 0:31:29.902 --> 0:31:32.542 Wow, that'll make it a challenge in the jungle. Maybe 0:31:32.582 --> 0:31:35.021 it'll be easier because she doesn't have to look at 0:31:35.022 --> 0:31:35.622 what she's eating. 0:31:35.622 --> 0:31:38.862 She can just eat you exactly. Right point is there's 0:31:38.862 --> 0:31:42.222 a lot of diversity in the fame element. My pet 0:31:42.262 --> 0:31:44.742 hate is when I see people comment on a news 0:31:44.862 --> 0:31:47.822 article about a famous person with who, because I look 0:31:47.862 --> 0:31:50.222 it up, and also it's a flex you're trying to say, 0:31:50.462 --> 0:31:52.062 like I don't even know who that is. 0:31:52.182 --> 0:31:54.981 I think you're being harsh. I often will be reading 0:31:55.542 --> 0:31:58.622 something or looking at a picture of someone, and in 0:31:58.622 --> 0:32:01.102 my mind will be the sentence, I do not know 0:32:01.142 --> 0:32:01.702 that person. 0:32:02.702 --> 0:32:06.382 That it's not a nice thing to say who. 0:32:06.542 --> 0:32:08.941 I'm not saying it in a disparaging way. I'm just 0:32:09.102 --> 0:32:12.142 like recognizing the complete fragmentation of fame. 0:32:12.262 --> 0:32:14.502 And that's what this speaks to, is that fame. I 0:32:14.542 --> 0:32:16.822 think it's what makes the show really interesting. The only 0:32:16.902 --> 0:32:20.782 household name in this is Dave Hughes Cusey, but it 0:32:20.902 --> 0:32:25.102 speaks to how fame means something different to every generation. 0:32:25.262 --> 0:32:27.542 I love the idea of a household like your household, Holly. 0:32:27.782 --> 0:32:30.022 I guarantee that your kids know these people. 0:32:30.062 --> 0:32:32.102 I do think jen z Ed's would even know who 0:32:32.182 --> 0:32:32.781 Hughes he was. 0:32:33.422 --> 0:32:33.902 No true. 0:32:33.942 --> 0:32:35.902 I tell Brent all the time that the most embarrassing 0:32:35.942 --> 0:32:37.742 thing he says all the time it's never heard of them. 0:32:37.661 --> 0:32:38.582 Which is what he says. 0:32:39.022 --> 0:32:40.942 It will be said many times during the Hottest one 0:32:40.982 --> 0:32:45.582 hundred countdown. He'll be like Sabrina Carpenter, never heard of them? Like, mate, 0:32:46.062 --> 0:32:47.302 shut up, it's embarrassed. 0:32:47.342 --> 0:32:49.701 I always think, though you turn up in the jungle, 0:32:49.982 --> 0:32:52.981 you don't recognize anyone. How do you ask a question? 0:32:53.262 --> 0:32:54.742 I like the what's your talents? 0:32:54.742 --> 0:32:55.502 Your talent that's great. 0:32:55.502 --> 0:32:58.742 I like that in a moment Harry and Meghan's big 0:32:58.862 --> 0:33:01.661 cover story, we will and by that I mean Holly 0:33:01.661 --> 0:33:04.742 and Maya will tell you everything you need to know about. 0:33:04.462 --> 0:33:06.382 It out loud as. 0:33:06.422 --> 0:33:08.181 If you want to listen to us every day of 0:33:08.222 --> 0:33:10.981 the week, you can get access to exclusive segments on 0:33:11.062 --> 0:33:14.702 Tuesdays and Thursdays by becoming a mum and mea subscriber. 0:33:15.062 --> 0:33:17.221 Follow the link in the show notes to subscribe and 0:33:17.262 --> 0:33:19.622 support us, and a big thank you to all our 0:33:19.661 --> 0:33:28.661 current subscribers. Five years after Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's 0:33:28.822 --> 0:33:33.022 Royal exit, Vanity Fair has published an extensive eight thousand 0:33:33.062 --> 0:33:35.582 word cover story, which is a lot of words just 0:33:35.622 --> 0:33:39.582 for ret novella. Yeah, that is actually your regular cover 0:33:39.661 --> 0:33:43.062 story or your regular feature online would probably be about 0:33:43.062 --> 0:33:45.421 two thousand words, maybe three thousand words if it was 0:33:45.502 --> 0:33:48.421 very chunky, And the most interesting part about this story 0:33:48.542 --> 0:33:50.902 is that there were no interviews granted by the actual 0:33:50.942 --> 0:33:55.862 couple themselves, but this story examines their post royal life 0:33:55.902 --> 0:33:59.222 and it was obviously time to coincide with the scheduled 0:33:59.822 --> 0:34:02.622 launch of her new show on Netflix, which was postponed 0:34:02.661 --> 0:34:04.782 for a couple of months because of the bushfires. 0:34:05.502 --> 0:34:06.461 It was written by. 0:34:06.302 --> 0:34:10.062 Contributing editor and Appeal, and it interviewed lots some lots 0:34:10.062 --> 0:34:14.582 of people who've worked with them since they moved to 0:34:14.942 --> 0:34:19.022 America or who know them, and it sort of is 0:34:19.062 --> 0:34:21.942 all about how they've navigated this transition over the. 0:34:22.142 --> 0:34:23.862 Have you actually read eight thousand. 0:34:23.622 --> 0:34:24.702 Well every word? 0:34:24.862 --> 0:34:25.821 Are you kidding about? You? 0:34:25.862 --> 0:34:26.502 Absolutely? 0:34:26.622 --> 0:34:27.502 I need to confess. 0:34:27.661 --> 0:34:29.661 I broke out thumbs clicking on it. 0:34:30.102 --> 0:34:31.861 I looked at it and I went, Jesse, you're going 0:34:31.942 --> 0:34:34.661 to die one day and you don't want to spend Okay, Yeah. 0:34:34.661 --> 0:34:38.821 Twenty five cover line was American Hustlers, which I think is. 0:34:38.982 --> 0:34:40.902 I like to cover. I thought that was interesting, but 0:34:40.942 --> 0:34:43.181 I went, life's too short, so I thought you'd fill 0:34:43.181 --> 0:34:43.382 me in. 0:34:43.542 --> 0:34:45.422 Yeah, So the cover was a pap shot of the 0:34:45.422 --> 0:34:49.542 two of them in Sunny's on some public event. I'm 0:34:49.542 --> 0:34:51.542 going to give you the five takeaways so you don't 0:34:51.542 --> 0:34:56.542 have to read it first. One was all about workplace drama. 0:34:56.661 --> 0:34:59.301 So there's a source that described Megan's management style as 0:34:59.422 --> 0:35:02.782 mean girls teenager, suggesting that she'd undermine employees by talking 0:35:02.822 --> 0:35:04.981 behind their back and gnawing at their sense of self 0:35:05.582 --> 0:35:09.542 and multiple employees told Vanity Fair that they reportedly took 0:35:09.622 --> 0:35:12.861 extended breaks or underwent therapy after working with her. I 0:35:12.862 --> 0:35:13.982 think everyone should have therapy. 0:35:13.982 --> 0:35:16.901 Anyways, were there multiple sources? Was that one source like how. 0:35:16.942 --> 0:35:18.942 Baucs of sources through the whole thing, but a lot 0:35:18.982 --> 0:35:21.261 of them were almost all of them were anonymous. So 0:35:21.342 --> 0:35:23.261 you have to take all of this with a big 0:35:23.302 --> 0:35:26.262 pinch of salt ok. The second theme of this article 0:35:26.542 --> 0:35:30.382 was about the production chaos around the podcast that they 0:35:30.582 --> 0:35:33.502 or that she recorded with Spotify. They signed you might 0:35:33.502 --> 0:35:36.022 remember one hundred million dollar deal I think, with Spotify 0:35:36.701 --> 0:35:41.622 to produce some podcasts. Megan produced a podcast called Archetypes, 0:35:41.661 --> 0:35:45.741 which we know, and this article talked about people who 0:35:45.822 --> 0:35:48.862 worked at Spotify, saying that she'd agree to provocative ideas 0:35:49.342 --> 0:35:51.902 but then walk them back on the show. So like, 0:35:51.942 --> 0:35:54.862 one episode was meant to be about the word slut 0:35:54.982 --> 0:35:57.942 as being this archetype that women are called, but she 0:35:57.982 --> 0:35:59.741 didn't want to say the word slut. She didn't want 0:35:59.741 --> 0:36:02.221 to say the word bitch, So the bitch episode was 0:36:02.261 --> 0:36:03.021 called the b word. 0:36:03.181 --> 0:36:05.742 I thought this was a bit unfair, too, right, because 0:36:06.462 --> 0:36:08.221 one of the things that must be very hard to 0:36:08.221 --> 0:36:09.982 be Megan and Harry and I know that like the 0:36:10.022 --> 0:36:13.942 world's smallest violin, but you would know that everything you 0:36:13.982 --> 0:36:17.542 said in any setting, any creative brainstorm session, anything with 0:36:17.622 --> 0:36:21.062 any employees, that Vanity Fair and every other media publication 0:36:21.142 --> 0:36:21.942 lord would love to know. 0:36:22.022 --> 0:36:22.181 Right. 0:36:22.261 --> 0:36:25.381 So imagine that we're having a brainstorming session about what's 0:36:25.422 --> 0:36:27.261 a new podcast going to be, and I have a 0:36:27.342 --> 0:36:30.142 terrible idea and you have a worse idea, Jesse, because 0:36:30.142 --> 0:36:32.741 that would definitely happen, and Mia just has an embarrassing 0:36:32.781 --> 0:36:33.821 idea because. 0:36:33.902 --> 0:36:34.902 The idea is just lame. 0:36:35.382 --> 0:36:37.902 It's like, this is what that is, you know what 0:36:37.902 --> 0:36:39.981 I mean, It's like they can't do that because they're 0:36:40.022 --> 0:36:42.221 so high risk. Every would like, can you believe that 0:36:42.422 --> 0:36:45.982 Mia Friedman said that thing? You know? And or the 0:36:46.102 --> 0:36:48.981 other thing was I can picture this very clearly too, 0:36:49.261 --> 0:36:52.902 that they would enthusiastically say because Hattery, for example, apparently 0:36:52.902 --> 0:36:56.342 wanted to do one where he interviewed high profile sociopaths, 0:36:56.342 --> 0:36:59.301 including Vladimir Putin, Mark Zuckerberg. 0:36:59.942 --> 0:37:00.982 That sounds like a great. 0:37:01.142 --> 0:37:03.142 This was actually my favorite thing in the whole interview. 0:37:03.181 --> 0:37:05.421 For people who've ever worked on podcasts or who've worked 0:37:05.422 --> 0:37:08.102 in media, trying to learn interviews and particularly trying to 0:37:08.142 --> 0:37:11.142 learn podcast guests in this very out of market is challenging, right, 0:37:11.462 --> 0:37:15.741 So a lot of very hard. So the idea that 0:37:15.822 --> 0:37:19.341 Harry wanted to make this podcast about was about men 0:37:19.382 --> 0:37:22.181 who have traumatic events happened to them in the childhood. 0:37:22.221 --> 0:37:24.661 Like he said, my mother was basically murdered, My life 0:37:24.741 --> 0:37:28.822 was traumatic. Donald Trump Putin, all these other people, perhaps 0:37:28.862 --> 0:37:31.422 they had traumatic events, but what made me grow up 0:37:31.462 --> 0:37:33.382 into a lovely guy and them grow up and to 0:37:33.422 --> 0:37:36.741 be sociopaths. And the quote from a source was like 0:37:36.982 --> 0:37:41.022 this provided somewhat of a booking challenge to the producers. 0:37:41.342 --> 0:37:44.381 Hello, will you be on my podcast called I'm a Sociopath? 0:37:44.582 --> 0:37:45.142 Exactly? 0:37:45.542 --> 0:37:47.822 But also again I have a bit of sympathy because 0:37:47.862 --> 0:37:50.382 you know, you often do have really big, bold ideas 0:37:50.382 --> 0:37:52.102 and then you think them through and you're like, we 0:37:52.221 --> 0:37:53.421 would get annihilated. 0:37:53.502 --> 0:37:55.622 Yeah, yeah, but it's also. 0:37:55.542 --> 0:37:58.181 Just not possible, you know what I mean? So I 0:37:58.181 --> 0:38:01.422 think what it all spoke to is the rush. And 0:38:01.462 --> 0:38:04.181 this wasn't Harry and Meghan's fault. The check books were 0:38:04.221 --> 0:38:06.781 out to say, we'll throw all this money at you. 0:38:07.102 --> 0:38:10.502 Netflix did the same, and then it was like, oh, 0:38:10.542 --> 0:38:13.261 what will you actually do? And is anyone interested in 0:38:13.302 --> 0:38:15.741 what you have to say if it's not talking about 0:38:15.741 --> 0:38:20.302 the royal family, which you've ostensibly left. Also the relationship 0:38:20.382 --> 0:38:24.102 dynamic between them. A source described their relationship as intensely passionate. 0:38:24.342 --> 0:38:26.221 They are so hot for each other, the way they 0:38:26.261 --> 0:38:28.821 look at each other. I should probably not be here 0:38:28.942 --> 0:38:30.502 right now. One person said. 0:38:30.542 --> 0:38:32.661 I think that's accurate. Whenever you see them look at 0:38:32.701 --> 0:38:34.102 each other. They look at each other like that. 0:38:34.261 --> 0:38:36.102 But then others said that it was a little bit 0:38:36.261 --> 0:38:40.421 oedipus that Megan was essentially reparenting Harry and that he 0:38:40.502 --> 0:38:42.982 was trying to save her in the way that he 0:38:43.022 --> 0:38:45.902 couldn't save his mother. There was also a very interesting 0:38:46.142 --> 0:38:51.102 anecdote in there about Megan allegedly shopping a potential memoir 0:38:51.701 --> 0:38:56.381 about a divorce. If she were to get divorced, would 0:38:56.462 --> 0:39:00.382 people be interested in a divorce memoir from her? So 0:39:00.422 --> 0:39:03.262 that was interesting, It's weird, and there was no smoking 0:39:03.302 --> 0:39:05.622 guns in this right, so there was nothing that we 0:39:05.701 --> 0:39:09.102 haven't heard before. It was just really confirmation of all 0:39:09.142 --> 0:39:12.861 of those kind of rumors that they're difficult to work with, 0:39:12.902 --> 0:39:14.861 that they think they know best, that they're a bit 0:39:15.022 --> 0:39:17.341 clueless when it comes to making the world. 0:39:17.142 --> 0:39:19.181 Need another profile on Meghan and Harry. 0:39:19.582 --> 0:39:22.022 I ask the same question because one of the things 0:39:22.062 --> 0:39:23.982 that I think is really interesting about this because yes, 0:39:24.022 --> 0:39:26.582 it's basically a lot of mean spirited rumors stitch together 0:39:26.781 --> 0:39:29.022 and a lot of stuff we've heard already. As Mia said, 0:39:30.142 --> 0:39:33.261 So in twenty seventeen, Megan did a proper cover with 0:39:33.342 --> 0:39:36.262 Vanity Fair. Normally a Vanity Fair cover that features celebrity, 0:39:36.302 --> 0:39:39.062 not always but very often is an agreed shoot. An 0:39:39.062 --> 0:39:42.261 Illeblewitch shot it. It cost a bajillion dollars, a long 0:39:42.342 --> 0:39:45.582 form interview. The journalist travels with you, hangs around like 0:39:45.622 --> 0:39:48.702 it's success. It's access to access, and it's deeply sourced 0:39:48.741 --> 0:39:50.341 and it's prestigious. 0:39:50.422 --> 0:39:51.701 And it used to have to be that you'd only 0:39:51.701 --> 0:39:54.022 get a Vanity Fair cover if you gave them something 0:39:54.142 --> 0:39:57.181 a big exclusive, like will you talk about the miscarriage 0:39:57.181 --> 0:39:59.542 no one you had or the divorce like Jennifer Aniston 0:39:59.622 --> 0:40:00.861 famously after Brad So. 0:40:00.822 --> 0:40:02.542 When Meghan did that, it was the first time she'd 0:40:02.582 --> 0:40:05.301 ever spoken publicly about Harry. What is interesting to me 0:40:05.582 --> 0:40:08.181 is that we've gone from that, you know, like her 0:40:08.261 --> 0:40:11.542 giving full access to them, to Vanity Fair running basically 0:40:11.542 --> 0:40:13.622 what in the business we'd call it right around, which 0:40:13.661 --> 0:40:16.181 is they've got a random picture of them, made it 0:40:16.221 --> 0:40:18.181 look really lovely and glossy, slapped it on the cover, 0:40:18.221 --> 0:40:20.582 and then just wrote around everything we've already heard. And 0:40:20.622 --> 0:40:24.942 it's like, I wouldn't blame them for being really pissed 0:40:24.942 --> 0:40:27.902 off about that, because this is an exact example of 0:40:27.902 --> 0:40:30.181 why they hate the media, right even the media who 0:40:30.302 --> 0:40:34.062 are supposedly the most credible, the ones who are on 0:40:34.181 --> 0:40:36.701 their side and inverted commas. Clearly they're not anymore. 0:40:36.781 --> 0:40:39.502 And remember they did give access Megan in particular, did 0:40:39.502 --> 0:40:42.462 give access to the cut, and they wrote the most 0:40:43.102 --> 0:40:45.861 snarky It wasn't actually I thought it. 0:40:46.221 --> 0:40:47.901 I don't think it was. I think that was an 0:40:47.902 --> 0:40:51.862 interesting story. But the criticism that's made is that they've 0:40:51.902 --> 0:40:56.142 never really understood that the media is not just pr 0:40:56.822 --> 0:40:58.502 the media is independent. 0:40:58.661 --> 0:41:01.142 And I think they understand that. I think they get 0:41:01.181 --> 0:41:03.381 taught that lesson eighty five times a week. 0:41:03.462 --> 0:41:05.261 But the problem is it's left them with nowhere to 0:41:05.302 --> 0:41:07.542 go to promote their genuine things. 0:41:07.582 --> 0:41:08.381 But that's why she's back. 0:41:08.622 --> 0:41:13.182 Yes, so you would imagine for a major Netflix launch 0:41:13.221 --> 0:41:15.542 show as Megan hasn't. We know, we spoke last week 0:41:15.542 --> 0:41:17.502 about how it's been pushed from January to March because 0:41:17.502 --> 0:41:20.942 of the LA fires. She would be doing traditional media. 0:41:20.982 --> 0:41:23.462 She would be doing a Vanity Fair cover, for example, 0:41:23.502 --> 0:41:25.461 or a People cover, which she still made. People still 0:41:25.462 --> 0:41:26.622 do seem to be on side. 0:41:26.902 --> 0:41:27.062 Well. 0:41:27.221 --> 0:41:29.462 She would be doing talk show appearances. She would be 0:41:29.502 --> 0:41:31.341 doing all kinds of things she isn't going to do 0:41:31.382 --> 0:41:34.342 any of that, because she and Harry have very clearly 0:41:34.462 --> 0:41:37.662 drawn the lines of the media haters for very good reason. 0:41:37.982 --> 0:41:40.102 But it kind of puts them in a difficult position then, 0:41:40.181 --> 0:41:42.261 because they're celebrities. 0:41:42.342 --> 0:41:44.102 I wonder if there's a world in which they did 0:41:44.142 --> 0:41:46.542 give Vanity Fair something and then they took it back 0:41:46.582 --> 0:41:48.342 after the LA fires. Is that possible? 0:41:48.542 --> 0:41:51.062 No, because the problem with magazines is that they're on 0:41:51.181 --> 0:41:54.902 very long, laid times. But also when you're a Netflix, 0:41:54.982 --> 0:41:58.542 I mean, your talent is contractually obliged to promote things. 0:41:58.582 --> 0:42:01.901 It's interesting because with the Polo documentary that Harry did 0:42:01.982 --> 0:42:05.781 that came out just before Christmas, they didn't seem to 0:42:05.822 --> 0:42:08.022 promote it. They didn't do interviews, they didn't Maybe this 0:42:08.102 --> 0:42:10.301 is written into their contract that they wanted, but it 0:42:10.382 --> 0:42:12.542 starts looking like not a very good deal, which is 0:42:12.542 --> 0:42:14.701 what all the trade press has been saying for a 0:42:14.741 --> 0:42:16.741 really long time that it hasn't been a good deal, 0:42:16.982 --> 0:42:20.742 which is why Spotify didn't renew. She's doing a new podcast, however, 0:42:20.822 --> 0:42:25.741 with another podcast company called Limonata. They want a platform 0:42:25.982 --> 0:42:30.181 and they want fame, but they don't really have a 0:42:30.181 --> 0:42:33.142 lot to say that people are interested in, because what 0:42:33.142 --> 0:42:35.782 people are interested in. Is not Megan talking about feminism. 0:42:35.781 --> 0:42:38.542 It's Megan talking about how hideous it was to be 0:42:38.582 --> 0:42:41.782 inside the royal family, and understandably she doesn't do that anymore. 0:42:41.822 --> 0:42:45.261 I disagree. I would read the absolute shit out of 0:42:45.302 --> 0:42:47.661 a long form Vanity Fair profile where I got to 0:42:47.661 --> 0:42:50.181 see inside Meghan's house, where I got to see, you know, 0:42:50.261 --> 0:42:52.741 like day in the life he stuff. I'm tired of 0:42:52.741 --> 0:42:54.942 all the royal gossip, like I've heard it all, all 0:42:54.982 --> 0:42:58.022 those stories. I mean, Harry wrote an entire book about that, 0:42:58.502 --> 0:43:00.821 very good book that was all about that. So now 0:43:00.982 --> 0:43:02.982 I still think in the same way, I'm interested in 0:43:03.302 --> 0:43:05.382 all kinds of celebrities. I would still want to peak, 0:43:05.422 --> 0:43:10.062 but they understandably do not want to show. To the 0:43:10.142 --> 0:43:11.901 end of our first show in our new home, how 0:43:11.902 --> 0:43:12.661 do we feel it went. 0:43:12.661 --> 0:43:17.341 Friends by, I think it was great. I'll come back 0:43:17.342 --> 0:43:19.462 again tomorrow, which. 0:43:19.302 --> 0:43:21.582 Is lucky because we will. As we mentioned, we back 0:43:21.582 --> 0:43:25.021 again tomorrow to talk about the inauguration. A massive thank 0:43:25.062 --> 0:43:26.862 you to all of you out louders for listening to 0:43:26.942 --> 0:43:29.542 our show today and to our fabulous team for putting 0:43:29.582 --> 0:43:31.861 it together in our new home. We're going to be 0:43:31.862 --> 0:43:32.942 back in your ears tomorrow. 0:43:33.342 --> 0:43:38.062 Bye bye. 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I'm gone now. 0:44:00.502 --> 0:44:02.982 It was like a sound of trending sound and it 0:44:03.062 --> 0:44:06.102 basically said, let's just say you would never have bought 0:44:06.142 --> 0:44:07.902 any of those skin care products if you knew that. 0:44:07.942 --> 0:44:11.261 I had to filter on someone else saying hundreds of 0:44:11.261 --> 0:44:13.661 thousands of followers about glute exercises, and she's like, I 0:44:13.701 --> 0:44:14.382 have a baby, l. 0:44:14.741 --> 0:44:17.462 Oh, I love like everyone wearing slightly short sighted. 0:44:18.342 --> 0:44:19.102 That's what I'm gonna. 0:44:19.142 --> 0:44:19.982 I'm like, damn it. 0:44:21.382 --> 0:44:25.341 And then I actually got here's a squat and it's 0:44:25.422 --> 0:44:27.982 like no, it's no more squats.