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Speaker 2: We've got an extra special double episode for you next week.

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Speaker 2: You'll get two episodes on the one day, because it

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Speaker 2: makes sense to listen to them together. Some of you

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Speaker 2: will remember I've been working on some more very secret

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Speaker 2: material in the background that has a few more approvals

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Speaker 2: are Sees THEA exclusives these episodes, so I cannot wait

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Speaker 2: to share them with you, But we still wanted to

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Speaker 2: give you something to listen to for this Thursday morning.

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Speaker 2: So here is a special episode of a new project

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Speaker 2: that I've been lucky enough to work on over this

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Speaker 2: past few weeks, called Pivot Club. Episode two of Pivot

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Speaker 2: Club was with my dear longtime friend Yanna Pittman, who

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Speaker 2: some of you may remember has actually been on.

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Speaker 2: She is extraordinary in so many ways, not least because

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Speaker 2: she has been both a summer and a Winter Olympian,

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Speaker 2: be Anna. But so much has happened since our chat

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Speaker 2: on CZDA in her extraordinary life. So our more recent

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Speaker 2: to date. Of course, it made sense to share it

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Speaker 2: more shows all the time, and we have other guests

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Speaker 2: some seriously interesting and motivating stories about sliding doors, moments

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Speaker 2: guys love to hear interesting stories of interesting people. I

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Speaker 2: hope you enjoy. Have you found yourself on the path

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Speaker 2: That feeling when you realize you're climbing a ladder that's

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Speaker 2: leaning up against the wrong wall. This is Pippot Club

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Speaker 2: and I'm your host. Sarah Davidson, a fellow member of

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Speaker 2: the Pivot Club. My path life was as an em

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Speaker 2: It's about someone who didn't just question their path, but

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Speaker 2: Here where I'm packing professional plot twists and finding out

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Speaker 2: So let's dive into their story of intuition, bravery and

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Speaker 2: You'll recognize today's guest as one of Australia's most famous athletes,

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Speaker 2: the pivot we're talking about today. How do you cope

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Speaker 2: This is an incredibly candid conversation about how that massive

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Pivot Club.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Sarah.

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Speaker 2: But above all, I think the overarching theme has been

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Speaker 2: That is such a profound reflection to have after so

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Speaker 3: You get them out. But then you've passed it and

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Speaker 3: I was there for gold and gold only and I

439
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Speaker 3: hadn't lost a race for ever, one hundred races.

440
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Speaker 1: At that point.

441
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Speaker 3: So wow, it was devastating for my coach, for myself,

442
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Speaker 3: for my family. So you felt like a like a failure.

443
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Speaker 3: Now I think it fail in a different way than others,

444
00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,760
Speaker 3: but because I see it as a learning point. But

445
00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,760
Speaker 3: you felt like you let so many people down. And

446
00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,280
Speaker 3: so I wanted to go to a games and it'd

447
00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,560
Speaker 3: just be this is so lucky, I am so lucky.

448
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Speaker 1: Let's try.

449
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Speaker 3: So I tried boxing, I tried rowing, I tried cycling.

450
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Speaker 3: And then the call from a friend of mine who

451
00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,439
Speaker 3: used to would you believe train with as a sixteen

452
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,840
Speaker 3: year old. She was a veterory surgeon who were two

453
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Speaker 3: dorks in a sled at that point because I had

454
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Speaker 3: already started medical school. So she called me up and said, hey,

455
00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 3: would you give this a crack? And I really liked her.

456
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,639
Speaker 3: She was an incredible, incredible athlete, and we just got

457
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,800
Speaker 3: along so well as youngsters. And to be really honest

458
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,360
Speaker 3: with you, I didn't have to wait four years at least.

459
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,879
Speaker 3: The Weird really Base were two years away, so I

460
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Speaker 3: thought I'd give it a go, and it just sounded fun.

461
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Speaker 3: I mean, who wouldn't want to give Bob's let to go?

462
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Speaker 2: Oh?

463
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Speaker 1: My gosh.

464
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Speaker 3: She took me over to Germany, popped me in a sled,

465
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Speaker 3: crashed me on the first run.

466
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Speaker 1: Nice.

467
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Speaker 3: So I cracked myself but realized it was okay because

468
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Speaker 3: I think that's what a lot of people worry about,

469
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Speaker 3: is you're going to get really hurt in something that's

470
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Speaker 3: so scary.

471
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Speaker 1: And then that was it.

472
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Speaker 3: I was absolutely hooked, so much fun.

473
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Speaker 2: Even though you've done it many times, I'm sure you

474
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Speaker 2: can see that objectively, people aren't as comfortable with completely

475
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Speaker 2: changing their direction or completely swapping pursuits sort of as

476
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Speaker 2: effortlessly as you seem to do it. What do you

477
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Speaker 2: think it is about your mindset that allows you to

478
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Speaker 2: act so quickly when you decide I'm going to try

479
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Speaker 2: something new. Is it that you don't have fear?

480
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Speaker 1: No, I have a lot of fear. I look at fear.

481
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Speaker 1: I think quite differently from average.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.

483
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Speaker 3: I have my little analogy that I say, which is

484
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 3: fear equals false evidence appearing real.

485
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Speaker 1: So that's where fear is spelled out.

486
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Speaker 3: I love it, love yeah, because I really believe you

487
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 3: need to look at the worst case scenario. Yeah, And

488
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Speaker 3: I know people, especially you know, in our line of work,

489
00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,960
Speaker 3: we're all talking about positivity, and you know, I love

490
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Speaker 3: your CZA and we're all trying to find these ways

491
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Speaker 3: to inspire each other and ourselves, and looking at the

492
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Speaker 3: negative is not seen as something to do. I don't

493
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Speaker 3: fully agree with that. I think sometimes you need to

494
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Speaker 3: get down and dirty with what could go wrong. And

495
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Speaker 3: so it's a process I've done for many years where

496
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Speaker 3: I sit down with it with a potential idea, and

497
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Speaker 3: I look at what is the worst case scenario that's

498
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Speaker 3: going to come out of this, and can I live

499
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Speaker 3: with the outcomes? Can I truly and utterly live with

500
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 3: this deep and dark disappointment? Ninety nine percent of the

501
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 3: time it's false evidence. It's stuff telling you that this

502
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: could happen and that could happen, and that is never

503
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Speaker 3: going to And so once you sit there with that,

504
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: you then left with a couple of things that could

505
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 3: go wrong that you can work on and prioritize, rather

506
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 3: than that fear consuming you of this is going to

507
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 3: be so embarrassing publicly, or this is going to ruin

508
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Speaker 3: me financially, or this is going to you know, take

509
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Speaker 3: me back ten years in my career, and so it's

510
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 3: just being brave. But then truly being aware that if

511
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:21,199
Speaker 3: it bugers up, you take a step backwards. Yeahs to me,

512
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 3: and you'll learn something so great about yourself. And I've

513
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 3: failed so many more times than I've succeeded, and I

514
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Speaker 3: feel and every time I fail in that, I'm like, oh,

515
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 3: that's a mistake, wonderful, what's the next one? And so

516
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: if there's something you want to chase to me, you

517
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 3: give it a crack. If it doesn't work, you find

518
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 3: a different avenue and you'll something will come through that

519
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 3: journey that will help guide you on the next chapter

520
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Speaker 3: that you're going to have a go at. And I

521
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Speaker 3: even thought that now, and I know we're going to

522
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Speaker 3: get there. But my biggest fear is mother guilt and

523
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 3: the how do you fit in your life with these

524
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Speaker 3: beautiful six little people running behind? I know it's nahats

525
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: And I remember my best friend who you know, Brad Foster,

526
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Speaker 3: who was my massage to the therapist at the Olympics.

527
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Speaker 3: I regum, I said, I can't do this registrar thing,

528
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Speaker 3: becoming a subspecialty, like you know, doing some specialty training

529
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Speaker 3: in women's health that has gone to college.

530
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Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. How am I going to do?

531
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Speaker 3: It. He's like, but you haven't tried yet, so how

532
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 3: do you know. Yeah, it's a really good point. Yeah,

533
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Speaker 3: so you don't know what you don't know.

534
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Speaker 1: That's so true.

535
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Speaker 2: And I think having that attitude of either you win

536
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: or you learn, like you never really lose, because even

537
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Speaker 2: if you lose what you thought was going to happen,

538
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: you gain something else and something better, and you are

539
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: stronger and you come back with perspective you didn't have before,

540
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Speaker 2: and kind of the ability to recover from a setback

541
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Speaker 2: really quickly is so much more valuable than the ability

542
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Speaker 2: to get it right the first time.

543
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Speaker 1: I think you couldn't say it better. Yeah, I mean,

544
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Speaker 1: it's taken me a.

545
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Speaker 2: Really long time to get there. But I mean one

546
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Speaker 2: of the most extraordinary things that I've had the privilege

547
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Speaker 2: of witnessing is Jana Pittman, who is known as now

548
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Speaker 2: a summer and when Olympin at this point just lives

549
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: and breathe sport and you know, has had children through it,

550
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 2: and then you become a doctor. Most people would be

551
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Speaker 2: quite bold over by even the thought of pivoting that dramatically.

552
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 2: It was a big pivot, and very few people when

553
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Speaker 2: they change career paths go. It's going to be medicine

554
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Speaker 2: of all things, and not just medicine. I'm then going

555
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Speaker 2: to specialize. So was there a pivot point for you?

556
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Speaker 2: Was there like a singular sliding doors moment or was

557
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Speaker 2: it a slow burn of like something's coming.

558
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Speaker 3: No, it was a very big pivot point, but it

559
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 3: was a slow burn in that it had been something

560
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Speaker 3: I wanted to do since I was a kid. So

561
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 3: I fell into sport, but it was always medicine. So

562
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Speaker 3: as a young person, I always wanted to be a doctor.

563
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Speaker 3: And then I thought I was too old because like

564
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 3: people be nodding along here thinking I got to thirty

565
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Speaker 3: and I thought that's it.

566
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Speaker 1: Life's over.

567
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Speaker 3: You know, I can't change careers, and it's too late

568
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: to start medical school and you know, go to university

569
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: and no, thank you. I don't want to feel like

570
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 3: an idiot and the impostor in the room. I just

571
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 3: lost my third Olympic Games within six months. I'd actually

572
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 3: just had my third miscarriage actually as well, and I

573
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: was sitting there thinking, I don't know what more you

574
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 3: can throw at me, and then my divorce, so then

575
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 3: my marriage fell apart as well. And then he met

576
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Speaker 3: someone else very quickly, and that just ripped me to pieces.

577
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Speaker 3: And I was so low and I just had a

578
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: phoenix tatoo old me, which is ironic, but it was

579
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: a phoenix moment. It was like I was so low

580
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: and so crushed and so burned and so down and

581
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 3: so vulnerable that Mum walked in the door and put

582
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Speaker 3: her career's hat on and said, you need something so

583
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 3: big to burn yourself back out of this. And so

584
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Speaker 3: she said, you've always wanted to be a doctor, give

585
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Speaker 3: it a crack. And I'm like, oh, God knows. You're like, Jana,

586
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: this is what you need to get out of this.

587
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 3: You need something that you love so much and that

588
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: you have wanted for so long to wipe away some

589
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Speaker 3: of the extraordinary pain you're feeling right now.

590
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Speaker 1: And she was right.

591
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Speaker 3: So of course I sat the exam the first time, and,

592
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Speaker 3: as you remember, failed it miserably and got seven rejection letters.

593
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: In fact, you and Nick took me out, and I

594
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 3: have been drunk three times in my whole life, and

595
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 3: we went out, Yeah, because I racked off on your door.

596
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: I was like that, Yeah, I didn't pass the first time.

597
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: That's always been my life. I've always needed a couple

598
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Speaker 3: of goes. And then Mum would bring me up about

599
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: twelve months later because the exam only happened once a

600
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: year and said, well, you failed the Olympics three times,

601
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Speaker 3: so you got two shots left on even I'm like.

602
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: Thanks Mom, reality jack, I mean third times a chart

603
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: time job.

604
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Speaker 3: So thankfully it didn't take three and I got in

605
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Speaker 3: after the second year. And I can wholeheartedly say though

606
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: that the day I got in, I cried harder than

607
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: any loss that I'd had in any track and field.

608
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: With that she I have a new chapter coming, and

609
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 3: it was beyond I can't explain to you how it felt.

610
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: And then the day I walked into the new university

611
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm a medical student. And the

612
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 3: day a nurse passed me and said, excuse me, doctors

613
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: and asked me to move away, and.

614
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: I was like, got you come be a doctor?

615
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: And so it was such a healing experience to achieve

616
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 3: something that had been a life long dream. And it

617
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I still miss the Olympics, but

618
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 3: I wholeheartedly know if I had have won the Olympic Games,

619
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Speaker 3: I would not have even sat that exam once, let

620
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Speaker 3: alone twice, and I wouldn't be a doctor now, which

621
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 3: is just sport. Remember and his characters, we're pretty hard.

622
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: But out of those darkest days and gave me my

623
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: career in medicine and more than that, you know, the

624
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: natural move would have become a sports doctor. But then

625
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: the miscarriages, and then I had a really scary cervical

626
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: cancer scare that thankfully wasn't but there was discussions around,

627
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: you know, having a hysterectomy, and and then obviously you know,

628
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 3: I've wet myself on national television. So I've got pretty

629
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 3: significant in continents from having babies, I've got into metriosis,

630
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 3: and I've had heavy menstrually like I've had every woman's

631
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: health being thrown at me, and now I'm about to

632
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: go through metapause. That's fun next chapter. But it felt

633
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: like it was a little flag waving in front of

634
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: my face, going women's health, women's health, going to women's health. Yeah,

635
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: but yet again, it was the dark days that gave

636
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: me the light in my life. And so I think

637
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: that's where the pivots have happened, is that my only

638
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: goal is when something is really going badly, is find

639
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 3: find your breath.

640
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 1: Out of there. And because you can only.

641
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: Sort of save yourself at the darkest at the darkest man,

642
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: and I know people can't sometimes, but it's also taken,

643
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: it's taken incredibly difficult moments to pull yourself out of

644
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: them like those. You need those to know you can

645
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 3: do it again.

646
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think you need And this is

647
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: why we call this part the messy middle, because any

648
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 2: really worthy transformative pivot involves a degree of discomfort, whether

649
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: it's extreme or less. So very rarely is it cruzy.

650
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: And I love that your mumm use the words you

651
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: need something to burn your way out of this.

652
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: The burning it's like it.

653
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: Has to light a fire in you, and it has.

654
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: It's going to be worth the drone journey, but it's

655
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: going to be a rough, bumpy road on the way.

656
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think for anyone listening, it's quite reassuring

657
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: to hear that even though now you know, like I

658
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: truly believe you are such an extraordinary contributor to the

659
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 2: medical space and have so much more to give, but

660
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: to think that the world might have missed out on

661
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: that version of you, but that you had to go

662
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: through a really shitty time to get there. And it

663
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: didn't make sense to you going forward. It's only looking

664
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: at night so that you can put the dots together.

665
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: If anyone listening is going through a really shitty time,

666
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: try and remember that someday in the future this might

667
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: make sense.

668
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this will be the pivot point. Yeah, And

669
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: this is what you're going to learn who you are

670
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 3: and what you need to be in the future. And

671
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 3: I think it's an interesting point, but one that we

672
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 3: need to make at this point as well is that

673
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: everybody's journey is going to be different, and some people

674
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: will go through significant heartache and others will not.

675
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: And that is also.

676
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: Okay, because we can't we're constantly comparing ourselves to each other.

677
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 3: So I remember when I was going through this down

678
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 3: day and I've lost the Olympics and I'd lost a

679
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 3: couple of babies. A friend of mine died from cancer

680
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 3: at the same time, and I thought, I can't even

681
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: possibly be sad because she's just lost her life, and

682
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: so straight away I was trying to downplay my own pain.

683
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: Because she went through worse.

684
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 3: We've got to stop doing that, you know, even if

685
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: your pain is not as significant to someone else's, it's

686
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: all you know, so that you have to acknowledge that,

687
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: and we've got to stop that comparison of well, they've

688
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: got it worse than us. They've got you know, they've

689
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: got a more disappointing life, they've been through more, they've

690
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: had a more tragic past. You don't need true tragedy

691
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: to build a new phoenix.

692
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: You just need.

693
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: To look at your own reaction to that space and

694
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: know that that's all you need.

695
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: But it is sometimes useful to know the logistics of

696
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: how people do manage the things that they manage, because,

697
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: particularly for you, you do have six incredible children on top

698
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: of one of the most demanding careers that you could

699
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: possibly go into, and then again you're always getting qualified

700
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: for other things on the side and doing public speaking.

701
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: There's a lot of logistics involved financially in a pivot

702
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: in having your children taken care of in like you said,

703
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: the mum gilt and managing that.

704
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: How have you sorted out.

705
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: Your ability to go back to study, because that's a

706
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: big barrier for a lot of people thinking I want

707
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: to go back and requalify in something, but logistically I

708
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: don't know how.

709
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: That would work. And look, that's a tricky one. And

710
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: I backfired it.

711
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: I failed pretty miserably at at a time, so I

712
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: moved to Sydney to be closer to family. So I

713
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 3: think that is something you need to think about, is

714
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: who's your network and who do you need to support

715
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: you through that space and also hold you up and

716
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: be accountable if you need it. I bought a house

717
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 3: right in my parents three quarters the way through my degree.

718
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: I had a baby by myself, with a sperm downer,

719
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: so that was a new chapter, and I hadn't calculated

720
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: my mortgage prayments correctly. Got to a point where I

721
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I'm out and done, and

722
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: we tried to sell the house.

723
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: It wouldn't sell.

724
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: I ended up moving into the garage, which please tax

725
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: it at man, don't come running after me. But I

726
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: basically rented the rooms out in my house to pay

727
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: for the food for my children and to pay for

728
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: a no pair because I was a single mum to

729
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: help me with the kids. And I was so lucky

730
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: that my wonderful second mother owns a day care center

731
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: and so she let my kids come practically nothing, which

732
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 3: was extraordinary. So again it's those people around you. And

733
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: eventually I had to go cap in hand and ask

734
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: my parents to help me out. And so I am

735
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: lucky because not everyone has a mum and dad that

736
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: can bail them out when it came to that financial.

737
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: But I really bugged it up.

738
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: So what's the answer there? Get your finances in order, soon,

739
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 3: work out what you can afford to do, take out

740
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: and loan if you need to scale back on the holidays.

741
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: If you need to, you will find a way. Like

742
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: I literally lived in our garage for nine months and

743
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: rented the rooms.

744
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: You'll find a way. But I tried to do it

745
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: the hard way.

746
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: Luck I did, like some forward planning is a really

747
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: good idea. We got there and I learned a lot.

748
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: But what we also learned from there is that we

749
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: could live in a caravan if we needed to, which

750
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: we're doing next year, because you don't need as much

751
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: as you think you do. And what would have been

752
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: the worst case scenariout of that, I could have stopped

753
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 3: medical school and gone and worked for a year. So

754
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: there's always there's going to be a way. You've just

755
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: got to think about where your backfires are and also

756
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: look for what your flaws are going to be. I

757
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: am financially terrible, and I do need someone to help me,

758
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: so sausage, I'm not great with a diary, and so

759
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 3: I tried to have no personal assistant for years and

760
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: years and years, and fitting speaking gigs in now and

761
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: a lot of the you know, the corporate stuff that

762
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: I do as well for the government and stuff, and

763
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: then my children and my medicine, and I needed someone

764
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: to write, to do my diary. And a year ago

765
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 3: I started finally doing it. And it's the best thing

766
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: I've ever does.

767
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: Change your life, change my life.

768
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: So it's okay to ask, He's what I'm saying here.

769
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: It's okay to ask for help. But planning, I think

770
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: is key. And then again, be brave. And if you

771
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: need to make a decision halfway through that it's not

772
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: for you. At least you've given it a try and

773
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: there's no regret.

774
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

775
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I feel like the best decision making tool that

776
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: I have employed over the past couple of years has

777
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: been a future regret management matrix. And all I ask

778
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: is what will future me regret more? And because that's

779
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: the way that I decide things, even if it doesn't

780
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: turn out how I hoped, at least I won't regret

781
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: the decision because I'm like, well, I couldn't have decided

782
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: any other way.

783
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Yes, regret, it's one emotion.

784
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: I think it is probably the hardest one to ever

785
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 3: live with, the guilty of the regret of not doing something,

786
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 3: So at least don't have that.

787
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: And so you've come through the messy middle and waded

788
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: your way through by extraordinary hard work. I mean, honestly,

789
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: I just don't think there are many people who work

790
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: as hard as you, but also who just get on

791
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: with it. What were you saying before you needed to

792
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: get your car seat fitted because you kept adding children

793
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: to the mix, you were so annoyed having to pay

794
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: for it that you got qualified and how to install

795
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: it yourself. Yeah, I've always been you don't rest la.

796
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: I have been like with that. I'm resourceful.

797
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: Probably my mum and my dad taught me that that lesson.

798
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: But I also just think I've excited by learning, and

799
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: I hate not being able to do something, so there's

800
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: plenty of things I can't do. Actually, that was one

801
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: of the hardest things about pivoting into medicine, was actually

802
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: going from being very good at something to being god

803
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: awful at something as in not having the skills to

804
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: do stuff and being and having people half my age.

805
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: So if you are thinking about it about the big change,

806
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 3: it is worth calculating this in your thought process of

807
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 3: someone half your age telling you you suck and that

808
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: you've got to work harder and don't worry, you're really junior.

809
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: You'll be better in a few years time. You're like,

810
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this is when? When is so going

811
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: back to being beginner. Yeah, there's the hardest thing about change, genuinely,

812
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: which was going back to the bottom of the ladder

813
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: again and having to rely and you know, with respect

814
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: I see, especially you know, things like medicine. It's someone's

815
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: life on the line. But that's the biggest trick and

816
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: challenge that I've had to overcome.

817
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: And what about the identity piece of having spent so

818
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: much of your life being known for one thing and

819
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: now using yourself differently, perceiving yourself differently, Like how do.

820
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: You describe to people what you do?

821
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 3: I now actually describe myself as a doctor, so I

822
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 3: rarely even put athlete in there. Now, yea, I'm a doctor.

823
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: I've got six kids, so that's my main identity. Oh.

824
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: I used to play with sport or I used to

825
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 3: be just a little it's just a little inside. That's

826
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: how I do it in my dating profile these days, but.

827
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: Likes to run casually casually.

828
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: No, So look, I have completely and wholeheartedly pivoted into

829
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: that medical space, especially because I have a voice in

830
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: women's health so much. I do a lot of advocacy

831
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: and lots of different incontinents and civical cancer awareness groups

832
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: and things like that. So I feel like I'm going

833
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 3: been in it for twelve years now, Sarah, It's not

834
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: like it's stop. Yeah. So I started medicine when i

835
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 3: was twenty nine and I'm forty two now. I had

836
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: two years off with the kids obviously when I had

837
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: the little ones. But I've been in it now for

838
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: longer really than I competed at the Olympics.

839
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: So wow, yeah, it's my life. Yeah.

840
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: And so when anyone listening is feeling the fear that

841
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: you mentioned, like it is really scary to go back

842
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: to the beginning.

843
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: There's a lot of ego that you.

844
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: Have to remove, oh your melody in like, but it

845
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: can be, as you said, incredibly rewarding, and it could

846
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: be the thing that becomes your defining moment, Yeah, moment

847
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: and the passion of your life. What advice would you

848
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: give to anyone who might be on the cusp of

849
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: that change at the beginning, And what advice would you

850
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: give yourself back at the start when you had failed

851
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: the exam the first time?

852
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: Coof that's good, ones, Look, I really think you need

853
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: to be pragmatic about it and write down what your

854
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: goal is and then work out what your fears and

855
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: what the things could be that are holding you back

856
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: and cross off all the ones that you know is

857
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 3: just your past experience is trying to crap your mindset

858
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: off and say you can't do it. So really just

859
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: right it down and rule out what is really going

860
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 3: to hold you back and what's not, and doing so

861
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: also write down your strengths, as in it's just sit

862
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: there and write down, well, what part of me is

863
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 3: going to make this work and what part of this

864
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: is going to make it good, and then share it

865
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: with a close group of friends so that they've got

866
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: your support when you're making that change. You've already said

867
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: it as well, surround yourself by people that are going

868
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: to advocate you in that space. There's plenty of nasays

869
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 3: plenty of people they're going to tell you can't, possibly

870
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 3: because they feel like they can't, and therefore they project

871
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 3: that onto you. And then always remember that you don't

872
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: have to go through with it. If you make a

873
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: decision and it's not right, what comes out of that

874
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: will be so much more of a learning than the

875
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: success that you'll eventually you have if you do finish

876
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: that goal. So I think, if you've got nothing to lose,

877
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: once you've worked out what the truth things to lose are,

878
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: you've got nothing to lose by giving it a go.

879
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 3: And what I say to myself, You know, I had

880
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 3: to say this literally yesterday because right now I'm in

881
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: the middle of registrar training and it's big hours and

882
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: I'm so useless, like having to call your boss in

883
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: it two in the morning because you're just not sure

884
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 3: if you can get this baby out safely.

885
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: And you're like, please come in.

886
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry, I'm almost good enough to deliver this baby,

887
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 3: but I'm really scared I'm not going to be able

888
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: to And then they stand next to you deliver it

889
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: beautifully and they look at you and you go, oh great,

890
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: you called me in for nothing, and just but you

891
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 3: have to because it's a safety it's a safety thing,

892
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: and it's the right thing to do. But knowing and

893
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 3: I think, I can't do this anymon I'm going to quit.

894
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: I can't do this anymore, Like I can't do this.

895
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: And then you look think, well, my five years ago,

896
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: five years ago, Yanna would give anything to be in

897
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: the shoes that I'm in right now. Like absolutely, I'd

898
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 3: given an arm. Couldn't operate with that a numb but

899
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: I'd give an arm.

900
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: You'd find a way, a way, you know what I mean.

901
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: Like it's when you're grappling with challenging parts of your journey,

902
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: there is a part of you that knows that you're

903
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 3: so lucky to be there, and sometimes it's just taking

904
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 3: a step back and going, oh, no, you're right, you're right.

905
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: Five years ago, I would have.

906
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: Been so stoked with being where I am now. And

907
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: that's what you've got to focus on, is that you

908
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: always wanted to be here and now you're here. To

909
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: suck it up a little bit and keep going.

910
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: That perspective is so easy to lose or forget, but

911
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 2: so important to remind yourself of. And then you did

912
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: mention that there have been so many times where things

913
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily go your way, but they've always taught you

914
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: something for the future. And I think it's one thing

915
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: that you can go on up skill at any time,

916
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: you can go back to study. But then there's also

917
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: all the random skills you acquire in your earlier experiences

918
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: that don't seem like they're relevant to anything else. What

919
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: are some of the things that from those early athletics

920
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: days have really stuck with you through medical school, through

921
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: becoming a doctor.

922
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: Look, I think the persistence was always going to be

923
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 3: there because you're always chasing something that seems a little

924
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: bit aloof because you know that.

925
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: Are you going to win?

926
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: Are you not?

927
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Are you going to make it? Are you not? Are

928
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: you going to pass an exam? Who knows?

929
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: And that persistent work ethic ultimately gets you your goal.

930
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: Do you remember My old coach was Phil King and

931
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 3: he had the five p's perfect preparation, events piss poor performance.

932
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: So I like his quote though, because it is right.

933
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: If you perfect the way you perform and then you

934
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 3: consistently show up for yourself every day, things are going

935
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 3: to work, and it's a matter of just hanging in

936
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: there and hanging in there and hanging in there, and

937
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: sport presents that opportunity to learn that at an early age.

938
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: So which is why I think it's important for kids

939
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: to do sport.

940
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: You don't have to be good at it.

941
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: It just teaches you those lessons of failure, resilience, keep going, camaraderie, friendship, support,

942
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 3: and I think that really does hold you in any

943
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: job you choose. After you know your teenage years in sport.

944
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: What would you say, along the way, has been your

945
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: biggest hurdle? And have the bigger they got has that

946
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: made the previous ones pale in comparison?

947
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: You have no idea how accurate that is, And funnily enough,

948
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: and again I come back to you only know what

949
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: you know. So I remember in my sports career, losing

950
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: the Olympics felt like I was everything you know was

951
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: dying around me and my whole world was collapsing. And

952
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 3: then the miscarriages certainly felt like they took the Olympic

953
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: disappointment away a little bit because they felt so much

954
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: more significant. And then you know, now working in medicine,

955
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: I have you know, most of the time ninety nine

956
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: point nine percent of the time, it's phenomenal and it

957
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: is the most extraordinary job where you get to be

958
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: that person who you know, helps birth that baby and

959
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: give it to that mom, or help that woman with

960
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: a prolapse have changed in her symptoms.

961
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: It's extraordinary.

962
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: But I work at a very high level tertiary hospital

963
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: and horrible things happen, and birth is scary. People underestimate

964
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: how dangerous birth can be and how outcomes can go badly,

965
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: very quickly, and I've already been present for some of them.

966
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: And I had an event last year where I could

967
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: barely walk into the hospital afterwards because I found it

968
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 3: so soul shattering to wods that I did not think

969
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: I could ever be a doctor again. And it paled

970
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: every loss I've ever had into utter insignificance, like even

971
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: the two divorces, which I'm still so embarrassed about. And

972
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 3: so I just want to ask it. I have a wife,

973
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: I don't care anyone who wants me, but it's just

974
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: it's getting to that point. But the reality is that

975
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: when you're as busy as me, that men partners don't

976
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 3: want They don't want to be forth fiddle in someone's life.

977
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: They want to you know, So it's really hard. We're

978
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 3: often afraid of the success, and I am quirky and different,

979
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: but I would love that. It's something I would still

980
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: really hope happens. So yeah, So when horrible things happen,

981
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: they will adjust your focus and they will shed a

982
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: light on different disappointments and take that pain away. And

983
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: that's how you have to see them. So, if you

984
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: are in the middle of something truly shocking right now,

985
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: a light will come, that day will pass. You wake

986
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 3: up the next day, and at that time it feels

987
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: like you won't but if you just give it breath

988
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 3: and time and space, you will heal slowly. And again,

989
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: something else will happen later in life that'll pale that

990
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 3: one back into insignificant. And I think that's part of

991
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: the blessing of being human and alive, because one day

992
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: you won't be one day that chapter and that light

993
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 3: will go off, and you'll have all these experiences that

994
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: you've been through in life, and hopefully you'll look back

995
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 3: at them and think, Wow, what a life I've lived.

996
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: It's actually unfathomable I think to anyone outside of the

997
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: field of medicine that you would have to face something

998
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: like that in the working day and then go home.

999
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: So how do you compartmentalize when work is unfathomably devastating.

1000
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question.

1001
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 3: Look, there's two flip sides for that, because it happens

1002
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: most weeks, that's something a little bit. You know, I'm

1003
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: going to be honest, I probably wouldn't say, but shitty happens.

1004
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: You're like, oh gosh, I wish that outcome had been

1005
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: a bit different. And most of the time, it's those

1006
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: kids that run at you at the door, smiling at

1007
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: you like they don't know anything that's happened. They don't

1008
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: care who you are. They just love you, which makes

1009
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: it all better and it allows me to completely shift

1010
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: off and change. And I know, you know, not everyone

1011
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: has the privilege of being your parent and or may

1012
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: not want to, So that's definitely not everybody's solution, but

1013
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: for me, it's a huge part of my strength, of

1014
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 3: my resilience is that my kids are just my backbone

1015
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: and weapon in this space.

1016
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: But there are definitely times.

1017
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 3: And like that last year where I came in and

1018
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: I couldn't even face them and found even looking at

1019
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: them made me feel guilty because you just feel like

1020
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 3: you're like, oh God, I'm so lucky, but people out

1021
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: there aren't, and you have to find a way. And

1022
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 3: it might be that you say to your little guys,

1023
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: you sit down and say mummy needs half an hour

1024
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: and you go to your room and you cry your

1025
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: eyes out again that you know, for me, flashing the pan,

1026
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 3: anger or whatever it is you need to do, go

1027
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 3: for a really hard run, get it out of your system,

1028
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: give yourself the time to break because if you don't,

1029
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: you'll explode at the kids, or you explode at your husband,

1030
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: or you'll smash something in because you don't mean to,

1031
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: but because you're completely and utterly overwhelmed.

1032
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: That's I think the second time now that you've mentioned

1033
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: go for a really hard run as like a shakeout.

1034
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: So obviously I think some people walk away from and

1035
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: have to walk away from it altogether if they can't

1036
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: do it at the level that they used to. But

1037
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: it sounds like sport is still quite an outlet for you.

1038
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: Oh, running is my drug of choice. Like I just

1039
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: love it.

1040
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: And it's so funny, Sarah, because after I stopped sport,

1041
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: I didn't want to run because you know, you just

1042
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: think a cake and a lot of us do that.

1043
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 3: It took me ten goes to get back into running,

1044
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: I had to cash a five K, and I thought.

1045
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: This is pretty funny. Is this Olympian five ca I

1046
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: had to do something to change it?

1047
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: And so I think it's important to hear that you

1048
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 3: need help, Like I really struggled, but once you got

1049
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 3: into it and I recognized again.

1050
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: How good I felt, and now it is I love it.

1051
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

1052
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: It's funny that I think a lot of us our

1053
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: threshold for giving up on something is like attempt three,

1054
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: maybe attempt four. And there's been so many times in

1055
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: this episode where you've said, oh, I got to the

1056
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 2: tenth try. I'm like, that's actually, in itself a really

1057
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: good lesson that just because you don't get something in

1058
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: the first couple of times, it doesn't mean stop.

1059
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: No, I agree.

1060
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: The people who make it are the people who just

1061
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: keep going on more.

1062
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: Time than you exactly exactly well.

1063
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 2: I mean, if anyone listening didn't already know how extraordinary

1064
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: Yana is, you will certainly appreciate it now. And I

1065
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: mean nothing short of an hour will do you. Jess,

1066
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: thank you so much for sharing such valuable insights and

1067
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: sharing so generously to anyone else who is on.

1068
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: Their Pathway to a pivot my pleasure.

1069
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,320
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1070
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: Pivot Club. We've got another brand new episode coming your

1071
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,760
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1075
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1076
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