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Speaker 2: I just said. Hello, and welcome to Mamma Mia out

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Speaker 2: Loud and to our Friday show where we don't talk

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Speaker 2: about anything newsy. We just like kick back. Sometimes it

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Speaker 2: from whatever's going on out there today. Oh no, it's

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Speaker 2: Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: Friday, the thirteenth of December.

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Speaker 1: And I'm hollywayen Right, I'm Mere Friedman. Happy birthday, Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 4: And I am Jesse Stevens. And it is my birthday

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Speaker 4: and one week and one day.

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Speaker 1: Ohius my birthday, and one week oh my godness birthday

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week.

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Speaker 2: So many saurgy satgies on today's show. It takes a village.

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Speaker 2: So why are we always telling the village to fuck off,

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Speaker 2: and our weekend recommendations include an addictive spy show, a

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Speaker 3: That's a weird week okay.

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Speaker 2: Also mysterious playground encounters, a sudden loss, and a festive backflip.

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Speaker 2: It's our best and worst of the week, but first

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it. Celebrities, some of them who

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Speaker 1: are female and some male, are resetting factory settings and

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Speaker 1: entering the undetectable era of cosmetic surgery. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people are saying that there is a new mysterious doctor

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Speaker 3: Why are we assuming it's a heat could very well

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Speaker 1: Absolutely did I say, hey, yeah, you did?

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Speaker 1: That's unconscious biasah it is.

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Speaker 3: We must undo that.

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Speaker 1: Because all doctors are men, because for the good ones. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So there are certain celebrities including Lindsay Loewen who is

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Speaker 1: And when I say that, I mean that they don't

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Speaker 1: particularly the women, have had very noticeable work, some may

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Speaker 2: pure speculation. Maybe their faces changed on their own.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you wake up and your lips are huge, your

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Speaker 4: That is what some of us are waiting for, it

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Speaker 1: So there is some seriously Benjamin buttonshit going down. There

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Speaker 1: Aaron Dougherty that says there's a reason celebrity faces look different.

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Speaker 1: And she said, this is the undetectable era where all

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Speaker 4: Apparently it's sort of a reaction to the Instagram face.

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Speaker 1: In the Kardashian face.

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Speaker 4: The Kardashian thing, and a few things were happening ten

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Speaker 4: very different. But what some experts are saying in this

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Speaker 3: So the skin.

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Speaker 4: Stuff I found, I just find this all very very pervy.

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Speaker 4: But there was an influencer that they spoke to on

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Speaker 4: You Beauty called Chloe Morello, and she was in I

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Speaker 4: think LA and went to Kim Kardashian's skin person and

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Speaker 1: Was it's like a plasma facial where they take out

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Speaker 3: And why does that make you look?

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Speaker 1: It's called a vampire facial? Who knows but it cost

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Speaker 1: all kinds of things like there are peptide infusions. There's

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Speaker 2: It's just that thing of constantly moving the bar because

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Speaker 2: once something's accessible to everybody, So say like lip filler, right,

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Speaker 2: celebrities used to get their lips filled, and now you know,

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Speaker 2: well that's become commonplace. The elite has to lift above

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Speaker 4: And I suppose that the science is evolving so quickly,

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Speaker 4: Apparently the one that everyone's getting, according to Aaron Doherty's article,

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Speaker 3: So that's what the bless Yes, but bless.

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Speaker 4: For sure, Yeah bleffs, which they think Matt Damon got

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Speaker 3: Which is the eyelid surgery.

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to have to have that because just

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Speaker 1: putting it back, just praving us for a first face

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Speaker 1: when they start falling onto your eyelashes and it's a

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Speaker 2: Imagine a world in which if you didn't want to

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Speaker 1: That's your world, hollywoon right.

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Speaker 4: A woman named Claire Haber Harris is starting to think

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Speaker 4: that parents don't really want to village. In a viral

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Speaker 4: article published on Slate, she begins, I'm going to say

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Speaker 4: You've got me, You've got me.

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Speaker 4: I don't think modern parents really want the village because

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Speaker 4: most parents don't behave in a villagey way. Her argument

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Speaker 4: to socialize with neighbors and friends. But for most, she says,

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Speaker 4: community is not a priority. She also says our standards

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Speaker 4: to babysit our kids. We have rules for grandparents, sleepovers

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Speaker 4: in group chats. Really, Haber Harris argues, we don't want

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Speaker 4: a village. We want a free caretaker or cleaning crew

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Speaker 4: who does things exactly the way we wish. Holly, I'm

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Speaker 4: obsessed with this. I think it's so spot on. Do

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Speaker 4: you think we actually just want hired help who won't

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Yes, I do think that because my

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Speaker 2: to my house for Christmas. We're all in each other's lives,

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Speaker 2: There are limitations to that because you can't exploit them

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Speaker 2: And there are also limitations because you can't if someone

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Speaker 2: think it's okay to give them a massive I mean,

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Speaker 2: and all those viral tiktoks that I see of millennial

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Speaker 2: obviously none of that is true, right. But the problem

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Speaker 2: with all the lists and the demands and the sharing

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Speaker 2: and it makes them scared, and it's an obsession with control, right.

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Speaker 2: I think it's an obsession with control. And it's understandable

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Speaker 2: because I think, you know, the stakes have been raised

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Speaker 2: by the constant vigilance of social media and all that

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Speaker 2: friend of the family. Auntie is going to give them

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Speaker 3: That's what a village does.

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Speaker 2: And the village gossips, right, And the village has always gossiped,

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Speaker 4: or you know, the mother giving unsolicited advice or whatever

439
00:20:07,767 --> 00:20:08,047
Speaker 4: it is.

440
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Speaker 3: I think it's just shit we have to except.

441
00:20:09,727 --> 00:20:11,687
Speaker 1: But also, I just want to bring it back to

442
00:20:11,727 --> 00:20:15,127
Speaker 1: the village. It's not just Villages aren't just about kids.

443
00:20:15,567 --> 00:20:19,807
Speaker 1: Villages are also about workplaces. They're about extended families, the

444
00:20:19,847 --> 00:20:22,927
Speaker 1: family you were born into. And it can be really

445
00:20:22,967 --> 00:20:25,127
Speaker 1: lovely to realize that you're a part of a village.

446
00:20:25,167 --> 00:20:27,407
Speaker 1: You didn't know you were part of. Ole spoke about

447
00:20:27,407 --> 00:20:31,287
Speaker 1: our friend Lucy, who has breast cancer and she had

448
00:20:31,327 --> 00:20:34,247
Speaker 1: an operation this week, and there is a WhatsApp group

449
00:20:34,247 --> 00:20:36,687
Speaker 1: because she had all these different people messaging in her

450
00:20:36,767 --> 00:20:39,967
Speaker 1: and every time there's a major update, she sends a

451
00:20:40,007 --> 00:20:42,807
Speaker 1: message to this what's called the Big Friend group. And

452
00:20:42,847 --> 00:20:45,527
Speaker 1: I hope she doesn't mind me saying this, but what

453
00:20:45,647 --> 00:20:48,207
Speaker 1: was lovely this week is all these women that I

454
00:20:48,287 --> 00:20:50,167
Speaker 1: don't know. Some of them I do know, like Hollies

455
00:20:50,207 --> 00:20:52,607
Speaker 1: in there. You know, our friend Mon's is in there,

456
00:20:53,047 --> 00:20:55,207
Speaker 1: But there were stacks of women in there that I

457
00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:59,087
Speaker 1: don't know. But we're all united, including Lucy's mother, by

458
00:20:59,127 --> 00:21:02,167
Speaker 1: our love for Lucy and our concern for Lucy. And

459
00:21:02,207 --> 00:21:05,047
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I know some people say, oh,

460
00:21:05,087 --> 00:21:07,447
Speaker 1: I'm not part of a village, but sometimes you might

461
00:21:08,047 --> 00:21:09,967
Speaker 1: be a part of a village but you don't even

462
00:21:10,007 --> 00:21:11,487
Speaker 1: know about. Like if you think about when you go

463
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Speaker 1: to a wedding, for example, or in a sad case

464
00:21:15,047 --> 00:21:17,847
Speaker 1: of a funeral, it's like you're part of that person's village,

465
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Speaker 1: even if you don't necessarily know all the other people

466
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Speaker 1: in it.

467
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Speaker 4: This is an argument that I have with Lucer all

468
00:21:24,247 --> 00:21:29,887
Speaker 4: the time, is about how necessary inconvenience is to connections

469
00:21:29,927 --> 00:21:33,487
Speaker 4: and to relationships. So sometimes if you're going to be

470
00:21:33,527 --> 00:21:35,567
Speaker 4: part of a village where shit hits a fan and

471
00:21:35,607 --> 00:21:37,007
Speaker 4: you've got to go and drop your kids off at

472
00:21:37,007 --> 00:21:39,327
Speaker 4: someone's house, guess what, You've got to be the kind

473
00:21:39,327 --> 00:21:41,847
Speaker 4: of person who has your door open for when their

474
00:21:41,927 --> 00:21:44,327
Speaker 4: shit hits a fan and they can come to your

475
00:21:44,407 --> 00:21:46,767
Speaker 4: like that's how it works. The other thing I found

476
00:21:46,767 --> 00:21:50,247
Speaker 4: interesting in this article actually was she was saying the

477
00:21:50,287 --> 00:21:54,087
Speaker 4: tendency now that when there's say a long weekend, maybe

478
00:21:54,127 --> 00:21:56,487
Speaker 4: it's because we like to be efficient, or maybe it's

479
00:21:56,487 --> 00:21:59,407
Speaker 4: back to the control piece. When we have a long weekend,

480
00:21:59,447 --> 00:22:01,407
Speaker 4: what we want to do is close all our doors

481
00:22:01,407 --> 00:22:03,487
Speaker 4: and spend time with our nuclear family. So people go

482
00:22:03,567 --> 00:22:06,767
Speaker 4: out of town or go on holiday, which even now

483
00:22:07,247 --> 00:22:09,367
Speaker 4: school holidays are coming up, a lot of people will

484
00:22:09,367 --> 00:22:12,007
Speaker 4: have a trip planned and it'll be their immediate family

485
00:22:12,087 --> 00:22:14,767
Speaker 4: are going away. And then I hear parents say that

486
00:22:14,927 --> 00:22:17,687
Speaker 4: was really really hard, and it's like, of course it's hard.

487
00:22:17,767 --> 00:22:21,327
Speaker 4: Of course, that's hard to be just you guys. But

488
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Speaker 4: that what she argued, which I thought was interesting, was

489
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Speaker 4: that's not very villagy of you, because she says, I

490
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Speaker 4: try and organize a picnic or a barbecue with a

491
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Speaker 4: bunch of different families. But we're so siloed because what

492
00:22:32,967 --> 00:22:34,567
Speaker 4: we want to do is we don't want to really

493
00:22:34,607 --> 00:22:36,287
Speaker 4: spend time with the neighbor around the corner. We want

494
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Speaker 4: to spend time with our child.

495
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's also there's been so much I

496
00:22:39,767 --> 00:22:43,327
Speaker 1: don't know what the word is, lionizing or like, you know,

497
00:22:43,367 --> 00:22:46,527
Speaker 1: for being an introvert and having social anxiety and having

498
00:22:46,647 --> 00:22:50,567
Speaker 1: low social battery and all of those things. We've kind of,

499
00:22:51,127 --> 00:22:53,527
Speaker 1: in some ways, we've made that so acceptable to talk

500
00:22:53,527 --> 00:22:58,247
Speaker 1: about that it's almost become a cop out, you know.

501
00:22:58,407 --> 00:23:01,167
Speaker 1: And again it comes down to discomfort and putting yourself

502
00:23:01,207 --> 00:23:03,527
Speaker 1: out for your village. If you want your village to

503
00:23:03,567 --> 00:23:04,847
Speaker 1: put themselves out for you.

504
00:23:05,047 --> 00:23:07,847
Speaker 4: If you want to be perfectly boundaried, and if you

505
00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:09,847
Speaker 4: want to make sure that your life never the rainbow

506
00:23:09,887 --> 00:23:15,207
Speaker 4: fist any has any discomfort, then unfortunately you're not part

507
00:23:15,207 --> 00:23:15,887
Speaker 4: of a village.

508
00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:19,167
Speaker 1: Out loud is in a moment. We're sharing our weekly recos,

509
00:23:19,207 --> 00:23:22,967
Speaker 1: including something to wear, watch, and a hot tip for

510
00:23:23,007 --> 00:23:23,487
Speaker 1: wee wiz.

511
00:23:31,007 --> 00:23:34,567
Speaker 2: It's Friday, It's recommendations. We've got weekend recommendations for you

512
00:23:34,647 --> 00:23:37,527
Speaker 2: mea Friedman, You're going first, you are about to send

513
00:23:37,527 --> 00:23:39,527
Speaker 2: something viral. I have a feeling because they're so good.

514
00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:43,807
Speaker 1: I'm going to recommend a local Australian T shirt brand.

515
00:23:44,207 --> 00:23:46,207
Speaker 1: All I want to wear at the moment is T shirts.

516
00:23:46,247 --> 00:23:49,247
Speaker 1: I want to wear things high necked to cover up

517
00:23:49,287 --> 00:23:52,647
Speaker 1: my decolotage because I don't want to get some damaged

518
00:23:53,047 --> 00:23:55,287
Speaker 1: and because I've got a bit of a skater boy

519
00:23:55,527 --> 00:23:59,167
Speaker 1: eccentric grandpa vibe going at the moment. Graphic T shirts

520
00:23:59,167 --> 00:24:00,967
Speaker 1: are huge and all I want to wear is T

521
00:24:01,087 --> 00:24:04,767
Speaker 1: shirts with my jawts. I have found the most fantastic

522
00:24:04,927 --> 00:24:06,567
Speaker 1: hand paige shorts in or.

523
00:24:06,567 --> 00:24:07,247
Speaker 3: Is that just you?

524
00:24:07,647 --> 00:24:11,487
Speaker 2: Are they? Yeah? But you know my teenager turns. I know,

525
00:24:11,527 --> 00:24:12,687
Speaker 2: as a pat of them, I'm like they look good

526
00:24:12,687 --> 00:24:13,247
Speaker 2: on MEA.

527
00:24:14,847 --> 00:24:17,967
Speaker 4: Say you look like you look like Avril Levines, I know,

528
00:24:18,367 --> 00:24:19,247
Speaker 4: like a skater boy.

529
00:24:19,527 --> 00:24:22,967
Speaker 1: See I told you, look I'm going for She makes

530
00:24:23,007 --> 00:24:26,807
Speaker 1: this incredible hand painted art. Her name is Marcu Fernaroli

531
00:24:27,447 --> 00:24:32,207
Speaker 1: and she is a lady startup. The T shirts are phenomenal.

532
00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:35,047
Speaker 1: They are so well priced for the quality that they are.

533
00:24:35,087 --> 00:24:37,647
Speaker 1: I'm wearing on now, but I've been collecting them.

534
00:24:38,087 --> 00:24:39,047
Speaker 3: I really like that.

535
00:24:39,607 --> 00:24:42,647
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have bought a ton of them for myself,

536
00:24:42,887 --> 00:24:46,487
Speaker 1: for everyone I know, for my kids. I don't even

537
00:24:46,527 --> 00:24:48,367
Speaker 1: know how to explain them. They've just got all different

538
00:24:48,407 --> 00:24:49,207
Speaker 1: designs on them.

539
00:24:51,167 --> 00:24:52,007
Speaker 2: They're not fussy.

540
00:24:52,327 --> 00:24:54,767
Speaker 1: No, and here's a tear bold. As we've learned from

541
00:24:54,767 --> 00:24:57,727
Speaker 1: our colors this year, white doesn't suit everybody, so I

542
00:24:57,847 --> 00:25:00,407
Speaker 1: keep buying white T shirts with graphics on them, and

543
00:25:00,447 --> 00:25:03,487
Speaker 1: then they don't actually suit me. So what she does

544
00:25:03,567 --> 00:25:05,447
Speaker 1: is she's got a few and different colors, but she's

545
00:25:05,487 --> 00:25:07,367
Speaker 1: got this off white that a lot of hers come in,

546
00:25:07,607 --> 00:25:10,567
Speaker 1: and they're quite boxy. They're over sized. I buy them large.

547
00:25:10,727 --> 00:25:14,287
Speaker 1: She also has a boxy crop for height challenge. People

548
00:25:14,447 --> 00:25:18,567
Speaker 1: like you two like a giant and like me, I'm

549
00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:22,367
Speaker 1: just a glamozon. No, I'm sorry, I'm a scapaboy. Anyway,

550
00:25:22,647 --> 00:25:26,607
Speaker 1: I highly recommend. It's called Maku the label and Marcus

551
00:25:26,887 --> 00:25:31,527
Speaker 1: Art is her instagram m A k U s a RT.

552
00:25:32,007 --> 00:25:33,687
Speaker 2: You know, last week I met an out louder at

553
00:25:33,687 --> 00:25:36,247
Speaker 2: an event I was doing, and she couldn't stop commenting

554
00:25:36,287 --> 00:25:38,807
Speaker 2: on how much shorter I was than she thought. And

555
00:25:38,847 --> 00:25:41,207
Speaker 2: then she had this like realization. She was like, that

556
00:25:41,327 --> 00:25:44,007
Speaker 2: means you're all short.

557
00:25:44,607 --> 00:25:46,607
Speaker 1: We are you guys make me look tall?

558
00:25:46,767 --> 00:25:47,487
Speaker 2: We are sure.

559
00:25:47,607 --> 00:25:48,967
Speaker 3: I don't think you have tall energy.

560
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Speaker 2: No do either, Jesse, go your recommendation.

561
00:25:52,407 --> 00:25:55,047
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is all we recommend. Yes, this

562
00:25:55,127 --> 00:25:55,647
Speaker 3: is what we've.

563
00:25:55,487 --> 00:25:58,567
Speaker 4: All been waiting for. Is my recommendation today. Look, I

564
00:25:58,647 --> 00:26:03,087
Speaker 4: have a week cleaner. Hear me out. We got back

565
00:26:03,167 --> 00:26:08,087
Speaker 4: from holiday the other day and our dog was obviously

566
00:26:08,127 --> 00:26:09,967
Speaker 4: sick because we hadn't seen in a few days. And

567
00:26:10,007 --> 00:26:13,167
Speaker 4: she was pulling focus and she vomited all over a

568
00:26:13,567 --> 00:26:16,447
Speaker 4: rug let's say six times, and then she did a

569
00:26:16,447 --> 00:26:18,287
Speaker 4: way upstairs, and then it was just still coming out.

570
00:26:18,407 --> 00:26:20,567
Speaker 4: It was just your back and I'd lack a pat Anyway.

571
00:26:20,687 --> 00:26:24,087
Speaker 4: We did get that sorted. But I have this week

572
00:26:24,087 --> 00:26:26,367
Speaker 4: cleaner that I've been using phrages, and it just confirmed

573
00:26:26,367 --> 00:26:27,807
Speaker 4: to me that this is one of the best products

574
00:26:27,807 --> 00:26:28,247
Speaker 4: in my house.

575
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Speaker 1: The funny thing is that I was at Jesse's house

576
00:26:30,127 --> 00:26:33,007
Speaker 1: at one point yesterday when this happened, and the dog

577
00:26:33,127 --> 00:26:35,407
Speaker 1: vomited up this green thing on this beautiful cream rug.

578
00:26:35,727 --> 00:26:38,447
Speaker 1: Claire was there as well. We did not break conversation,

579
00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:41,847
Speaker 1: We did not interrupt a sentence. She just grabbed up

580
00:26:41,847 --> 00:26:45,087
Speaker 1: a week cleaner and as we kept talking, you cleaned

581
00:26:45,127 --> 00:26:46,607
Speaker 1: up the way and at the end of the it

582
00:26:46,647 --> 00:26:47,047
Speaker 1: was gone.

583
00:26:47,127 --> 00:26:49,687
Speaker 4: And I can confirm that not only is it for wheat,

584
00:26:49,727 --> 00:26:52,087
Speaker 4: it's also ful. We've had a few incidents with vomit

585
00:26:52,247 --> 00:26:55,407
Speaker 4: with the baby. Okay, what this product promises to do

586
00:26:55,567 --> 00:26:58,567
Speaker 4: is neutralize all odors and I very very sensitive nose.

587
00:26:58,687 --> 00:27:00,007
Speaker 3: And this all gone.

588
00:26:59,847 --> 00:27:01,847
Speaker 4: Because you know with dogs, if they wear they're going

589
00:27:01,887 --> 00:27:03,607
Speaker 4: to go back to the same spot and we again.

590
00:27:03,647 --> 00:27:07,767
Speaker 4: And this anyway, it is called Weekleaner. The brand is

591
00:27:08,247 --> 00:27:12,487
Speaker 4: dog and it's by Doctor Litha. It's forty seven dollars,

592
00:27:12,487 --> 00:27:13,887
Speaker 4: which sounds like a lot, but it comes in a

593
00:27:13,967 --> 00:27:15,967
Speaker 4: very very big thing. I've never had to replace it.

594
00:27:16,367 --> 00:27:19,287
Speaker 4: And the trick is this the white packaging.

595
00:27:20,567 --> 00:27:21,367
Speaker 2: You've just got a puppy.

596
00:27:21,407 --> 00:27:23,607
Speaker 3: She needs to know she needs it immediately.

597
00:27:24,047 --> 00:27:26,807
Speaker 4: You can get broken David Jones. It's actually a beautiful thing.

598
00:27:27,007 --> 00:27:28,447
Speaker 4: It's quite a statement piece in your home.

599
00:27:28,767 --> 00:27:33,087
Speaker 3: But definitely, but I have a process now.

600
00:27:33,207 --> 00:27:35,527
Speaker 4: I know this is very specific, but people with white

601
00:27:35,647 --> 00:27:38,487
Speaker 4: or carpets and wheight anyway, it's like you got dab

602
00:27:38,487 --> 00:27:41,127
Speaker 4: it up, dub up everything and you can't scrub. And

603
00:27:41,167 --> 00:27:42,887
Speaker 4: I know mea that you would want to scrub because

604
00:27:42,887 --> 00:27:45,087
Speaker 4: you're impatient, but you can't. You just got to dab

605
00:27:45,127 --> 00:27:48,647
Speaker 4: it all and then once it's all dry, you spray

606
00:27:48,687 --> 00:27:50,807
Speaker 4: your way cleaner. Then, oh, I haven't even told you

607
00:27:50,807 --> 00:27:53,127
Speaker 4: the best bit about the way cleaner. On the bottom,

608
00:27:53,487 --> 00:27:56,807
Speaker 4: it's got like spikes, and then you go you scrap.

609
00:27:56,847 --> 00:27:58,847
Speaker 4: You go like this, but you just said don't scrub, no, no,

610
00:27:58,887 --> 00:28:00,127
Speaker 4: because you've already got it all out.

611
00:28:00,287 --> 00:28:01,607
Speaker 3: Then you go like this and you do a bit

612
00:28:01,607 --> 00:28:03,287
Speaker 3: of a scrub scrub with your spikes at.

613
00:28:03,207 --> 00:28:04,727
Speaker 1: The boy, you don't have to use water to like

614
00:28:04,967 --> 00:28:05,327
Speaker 1: wash out.

615
00:28:05,567 --> 00:28:07,047
Speaker 4: I might get a little bit of water on like

616
00:28:07,087 --> 00:28:10,407
Speaker 4: paper towel while I'm dubbing, id dab dab, and then

617
00:28:10,607 --> 00:28:12,647
Speaker 4: do a bit of a little scratchy scratch with the

618
00:28:12,687 --> 00:28:14,927
Speaker 4: bottom of the thing and then dab dab dab and

619
00:28:15,247 --> 00:28:18,207
Speaker 4: my cream rug. You could not tell that I had

620
00:28:18,247 --> 00:28:19,567
Speaker 4: six days.

621
00:28:19,647 --> 00:28:20,527
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what else?

622
00:28:20,567 --> 00:28:23,447
Speaker 1: I need? That domestic god, I am every you know.

623
00:28:23,487 --> 00:28:25,647
Speaker 1: I've been having my green smoothies for breakfast I don't

624
00:28:25,687 --> 00:28:29,687
Speaker 1: know ten years now, throwing them downstairs about every four

625
00:28:29,727 --> 00:28:32,847
Speaker 1: to six weeks. I won't put the lid on properly.

626
00:28:33,007 --> 00:28:35,447
Speaker 1: Yesterday I was so loving my outfit. And I was

627
00:28:35,447 --> 00:28:38,007
Speaker 1: sitting there and I just picked it up and it

628
00:28:38,127 --> 00:28:40,407
Speaker 1: just fell all over my lap and all over the floor.

629
00:28:40,647 --> 00:28:42,407
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh not again.

630
00:28:42,567 --> 00:28:44,447
Speaker 3: Well, then you need to use and I have recommended

631
00:28:44,487 --> 00:28:45,007
Speaker 3: this before.

632
00:28:45,367 --> 00:28:46,887
Speaker 1: It is very hard to get out of carpet.

633
00:28:47,047 --> 00:28:50,247
Speaker 4: Yes, carpet, but as a domestic goddess on this show,

634
00:28:50,647 --> 00:28:54,807
Speaker 4: I have recommended the Vanish stain remover pink thing that'll

635
00:28:54,807 --> 00:28:56,447
Speaker 4: get out of my clothes.

636
00:28:55,927 --> 00:28:58,167
Speaker 1: For your clothes, but then use my way cleaner to

637
00:28:58,167 --> 00:28:58,527
Speaker 1: get it.

638
00:28:58,487 --> 00:28:59,567
Speaker 3: Out to get out of the carpet.

639
00:28:59,607 --> 00:29:03,767
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, wanted to tell you something interesting, Jesus Christ.

640
00:29:04,367 --> 00:29:07,367
Speaker 4: I'm watching It's all boring until your dog ways on

641
00:29:07,407 --> 00:29:08,687
Speaker 4: the carpet this weekend holiday.

642
00:29:09,447 --> 00:29:13,327
Speaker 2: I'm watching a show on Netflix with Brent called Black Doves.

643
00:29:14,047 --> 00:29:16,047
Speaker 1: This morning a man was killed on the South Bank.

644
00:29:18,007 --> 00:29:20,007
Speaker 2: It was he was murdered. Was I the target?

645
00:29:22,007 --> 00:29:26,447
Speaker 1: You might have compromised yourself and now it's time to.

646
00:29:26,367 --> 00:29:32,127
Speaker 2: Get or Hello Dolly the fucking Shotgune. Yes, it's all

647
00:29:32,127 --> 00:29:32,607
Speaker 2: I had on me.

648
00:29:35,247 --> 00:29:37,687
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming back if it was anyone else

649
00:29:37,727 --> 00:29:39,447
Speaker 1: but her, or you.

650
00:29:39,487 --> 00:29:42,687
Speaker 2: Promised me that you will keep my family safe and

651
00:29:42,727 --> 00:29:43,327
Speaker 2: you will keep me.

652
00:29:43,287 --> 00:29:46,327
Speaker 3: Alive and I need to watch it.

653
00:29:46,647 --> 00:29:48,847
Speaker 2: Yes, you do. Particularly. I don't think you're a Slow

654
00:29:48,847 --> 00:29:52,047
Speaker 2: Horses person, are you? You should be? I think you'd

655
00:29:52,127 --> 00:29:53,847
Speaker 2: like that. I think there are three seasons now of

656
00:29:53,927 --> 00:29:55,127
Speaker 2: Slow Horses. It's really good.

657
00:29:55,167 --> 00:29:56,727
Speaker 3: Something about the name slow turns me on.

658
00:29:56,887 --> 00:29:59,327
Speaker 2: I know it's really great. Slow Horses is a British

659
00:29:59,367 --> 00:30:02,407
Speaker 2: spy drama. This is a British spy drama. So Black

660
00:30:02,447 --> 00:30:06,367
Speaker 2: Doves is British spy drama. Nightler has just dropped on Netflix.

661
00:30:06,407 --> 00:30:09,727
Speaker 2: It stars Kira Knightley Sarah Lancashire, who everyone would know

662
00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:11,047
Speaker 2: from Happy Valley.

663
00:30:10,967 --> 00:30:13,407
Speaker 3: The main one, the main one that is it's the

664
00:30:13,407 --> 00:30:13,727
Speaker 3: best show.

665
00:30:13,927 --> 00:30:16,367
Speaker 2: And Ben was sure, who is, among other things, the

666
00:30:16,447 --> 00:30:18,847
Speaker 2: voice of Paddington Bear, but is also a really good British.

667
00:30:18,527 --> 00:30:22,647
Speaker 1: Well, I like this whole anything Well you've ever recommended

668
00:30:22,727 --> 00:30:24,727
Speaker 1: it is probably not.

669
00:30:25,367 --> 00:30:27,647
Speaker 2: It is a little bit violent, but then I feel

670
00:30:27,647 --> 00:30:29,447
Speaker 2: like your tolerance for that since we went to see

671
00:30:29,447 --> 00:30:30,767
Speaker 2: the substance has kind of risen.

672
00:30:30,887 --> 00:30:33,127
Speaker 3: What's it like, Well, it's like hospital.

673
00:30:33,167 --> 00:30:35,647
Speaker 2: I've watched that. So it opens with this isn't a

674
00:30:35,647 --> 00:30:37,967
Speaker 2: spoiler because it's the setup for the whole show. Kiera

675
00:30:38,047 --> 00:30:41,087
Speaker 2: Knightley appears to be in the first five minutes of

676
00:30:41,087 --> 00:30:44,567
Speaker 2: the show, like the perfect British politician's wife. Oh remember

677
00:30:44,567 --> 00:30:46,927
Speaker 2: that one with Sianna Miller in it, the one with

678
00:30:46,967 --> 00:30:50,407
Speaker 2: the where she was married to a little bit like that.

679
00:30:50,407 --> 00:30:53,927
Speaker 3: Anatomy of a scandal is great anyway.

680
00:30:54,087 --> 00:30:58,247
Speaker 2: Kiera Knightley appears to be the perfect polished politician's wife.

681
00:30:58,247 --> 00:31:01,567
Speaker 2: She's got these two little cute blonde twins. She lives

682
00:31:01,607 --> 00:31:05,047
Speaker 2: in this beautiful, very posh London house. Her husband is

683
00:31:05,087 --> 00:31:08,087
Speaker 2: the Foreign Secretary in the British government. Blah blah, blah,

684
00:31:08,087 --> 00:31:11,647
Speaker 2: blah blah. You very quickly find out that Kira Knightley

685
00:31:11,727 --> 00:31:14,767
Speaker 2: is a spy and that she has been living a

686
00:31:14,807 --> 00:31:16,887
Speaker 2: double life for at least a decade. You just had

687
00:31:16,887 --> 00:31:18,727
Speaker 2: the children with this guy as part of the whole thing,

688
00:31:18,967 --> 00:31:22,567
Speaker 2: right like, and then does no, well not so far.

689
00:31:24,167 --> 00:31:26,687
Speaker 2: So that's like the setup. You find out that it's

690
00:31:26,687 --> 00:31:29,007
Speaker 2: because it starts with a couple of murders, not really

691
00:31:29,007 --> 00:31:31,567
Speaker 2: gruesome murders, but murders, and then you see how they

692
00:31:31,567 --> 00:31:34,007
Speaker 2: all tie together and it's a spy drama. So it's

693
00:31:34,047 --> 00:31:37,007
Speaker 2: then all these weird characters come in. Sarah Lancasher is

694
00:31:37,007 --> 00:31:39,687
Speaker 2: the spy master like the Boss Lady, but you don't

695
00:31:39,687 --> 00:31:41,927
Speaker 2: know that at first. And Ben with Share is like

696
00:31:41,967 --> 00:31:46,687
Speaker 2: this hit man guy. It's really engaging, pacy like page

697
00:31:46,727 --> 00:31:51,647
Speaker 2: turning and English so great, but it is spy ish

698
00:31:51,687 --> 00:31:54,407
Speaker 2: and a little bit suspenseful violence. Oh no, this is

699
00:31:54,967 --> 00:31:57,167
Speaker 2: Shara Knightley is great. You would love it, Jesse for sure,

700
00:31:57,287 --> 00:31:58,687
Speaker 2: me and might love it, David Jackal.

701
00:31:58,727 --> 00:32:00,127
Speaker 1: Should I also watch well.

702
00:32:00,047 --> 00:32:03,927
Speaker 3: No, you'll hate that too many but out Loud as

703
00:32:03,967 --> 00:32:07,327
Speaker 3: her watching it all. It's just so good.

704
00:32:07,887 --> 00:32:11,727
Speaker 4: After the break date, night Deadlines and Holly's Confession, It's

705
00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:13,007
Speaker 4: our best and Worst of the Week.

706
00:32:13,767 --> 00:32:16,487
Speaker 1: Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of Mom

707
00:32:16,527 --> 00:32:18,527
Speaker 1: and Me are out Loud, just for Mamma Me As

708
00:32:18,567 --> 00:32:21,087
Speaker 1: subscribers follow the link in the show notes to get

709
00:32:21,127 --> 00:32:23,567
Speaker 1: your daily dose of out Loud and a big thank

710
00:32:23,607 --> 00:32:36,767
Speaker 1: you to everyone who is already subscribed. It's time for

711
00:32:36,807 --> 00:32:38,727
Speaker 1: our Best and Worst of the Week, the part of

712
00:32:38,767 --> 00:32:40,927
Speaker 1: the show where we share a little more from our

713
00:32:40,967 --> 00:32:44,287
Speaker 1: personal lives about things big and small that have happened

714
00:32:44,287 --> 00:32:48,247
Speaker 1: to us. I've got a really sad worst this week.

715
00:32:48,487 --> 00:32:52,687
Speaker 1: I went to a memorial for a new friend who

716
00:32:53,127 --> 00:32:56,447
Speaker 1: died in an accident on her farm a few weeks ago.

717
00:32:56,847 --> 00:33:01,167
Speaker 1: Her name was Lisa Ronson. She was the CMO of Medibank.

718
00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:04,967
Speaker 1: She'd also worked at in marketing for Cole's and David

719
00:33:05,047 --> 00:33:07,367
Speaker 1: Jones and Beza, and she'd done these and the most

720
00:33:07,367 --> 00:33:11,927
Speaker 1: incredible things Westpac. And I met her because we've been

721
00:33:11,967 --> 00:33:15,167
Speaker 1: doing some work with Medibank, and I did a sometimes

722
00:33:15,167 --> 00:33:17,927
Speaker 1: I go in and will do like a mock no filter,

723
00:33:18,047 --> 00:33:20,567
Speaker 1: like an in conversation with her, where you know, I

724
00:33:20,607 --> 00:33:22,487
Speaker 1: sort of get to know these people a little bit better.

725
00:33:22,887 --> 00:33:26,887
Speaker 1: And I did that about four weeks ago, and we

726
00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:29,127
Speaker 1: just kind of hit it off. She's the most amazing

727
00:33:29,167 --> 00:33:32,167
Speaker 1: woman with the same age, and you know, she was

728
00:33:32,207 --> 00:33:34,727
Speaker 1: talking about this farm that she has at Dalesford that

729
00:33:34,767 --> 00:33:37,967
Speaker 1: she loves. She and her husband had sort of restored it.

730
00:33:38,087 --> 00:33:42,447
Speaker 1: And she was originally from Sydney and she had a son, Corben,

731
00:33:42,487 --> 00:33:45,327
Speaker 1: who's like twenty two or twenty three. It just was

732
00:33:45,407 --> 00:33:48,807
Speaker 1: like a really amazing conversation and I just we just clicked.

733
00:33:49,007 --> 00:33:52,527
Speaker 1: And she died very suddenly a few weeks ago, and

734
00:33:52,607 --> 00:33:57,047
Speaker 1: I went to the memorial services one at her farm

735
00:33:57,087 --> 00:33:59,687
Speaker 1: in Victoria, and then there was one in Sydney this week.

736
00:33:59,727 --> 00:34:02,927
Speaker 1: And back to that thing of being part of a village,

737
00:34:02,967 --> 00:34:05,687
Speaker 1: Like I didn't know her barely at all, and there

738
00:34:05,687 --> 00:34:08,647
Speaker 1: were people who obviously knew her incredibly well. And what

739
00:34:08,647 --> 00:34:10,247
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe I would have been about was the

740
00:34:10,327 --> 00:34:12,047
Speaker 1: cricket ground. There would have been about five or six

741
00:34:12,127 --> 00:34:16,487
Speaker 1: hundred people there. And what struck me about those things

742
00:34:16,607 --> 00:34:20,367
Speaker 1: and funerals are always it was a memorial service, but

743
00:34:20,527 --> 00:34:23,567
Speaker 1: they're always like happy and sad, and you really get

744
00:34:23,567 --> 00:34:26,967
Speaker 1: to know someone through the people who speak about them

745
00:34:27,167 --> 00:34:30,927
Speaker 1: and the slide shows. And she grew up in Parramatta.

746
00:34:30,927 --> 00:34:33,527
Speaker 1: Her high school friend, best friend sort of said these

747
00:34:33,567 --> 00:34:37,087
Speaker 1: amazing things about how she was always just so ambitious

748
00:34:37,127 --> 00:34:39,967
Speaker 1: and what struck me so many people spoke about her,

749
00:34:40,527 --> 00:34:42,727
Speaker 1: and she had so many male friends, like she was

750
00:34:42,807 --> 00:34:45,247
Speaker 1: absolutely a woman's woman. She had this really close group

751
00:34:45,287 --> 00:34:48,007
Speaker 1: of girlfriends, but she was also friends with a lot

752
00:34:48,007 --> 00:34:54,007
Speaker 1: of really interesting, successful, dynamic men who all said she

753
00:34:54,247 --> 00:34:57,327
Speaker 1: was one of my closest friends. And she was just

754
00:34:57,407 --> 00:35:01,447
Speaker 1: so much larger than life. She was so beautiful. It's

755
00:35:01,527 --> 00:35:03,167
Speaker 1: just such a tragedy. It's one of those things that

756
00:35:03,247 --> 00:35:08,007
Speaker 1: makes you think, like why, yeah, the shock of it anyway,

757
00:35:08,207 --> 00:35:10,527
Speaker 1: my heart goes out to her husband Chris, and her

758
00:35:10,607 --> 00:35:13,687
Speaker 1: son Ben, and her family and everybody who knew and

759
00:35:13,727 --> 00:35:17,887
Speaker 1: loved her. So that was my worst. My best is

760
00:35:17,967 --> 00:35:21,007
Speaker 1: just so trivial. I had to give a speech last

761
00:35:21,007 --> 00:35:24,807
Speaker 1: week at my daughter's old high school, and it really

762
00:35:24,847 --> 00:35:26,767
Speaker 1: sort of weighed on me and trying to get that right.

763
00:35:26,847 --> 00:35:28,687
Speaker 1: And I'd forgotten I hadn't been on one of those

764
00:35:28,767 --> 00:35:31,287
Speaker 1: long deadlines for a really long time, probably since i'd

765
00:35:31,327 --> 00:35:34,047
Speaker 1: written a book. Our life and my work tends to

766
00:35:34,047 --> 00:35:38,127
Speaker 1: happen on much shorter increments, and I'd forgotten the absolute

767
00:35:38,247 --> 00:35:42,407
Speaker 1: relief of not being on deadline anymore, having completed something

768
00:35:42,447 --> 00:35:44,607
Speaker 1: that's hanging over your head for a really long time.

769
00:35:44,647 --> 00:35:46,287
Speaker 1: And because I've not, of course I've known about that.

770
00:35:46,327 --> 00:35:48,607
Speaker 1: I had to give this speech for months, and of

771
00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:50,967
Speaker 1: course I left it to the last weekend, and then

772
00:35:51,007 --> 00:35:52,647
Speaker 1: it wasn't working and I had to rewrite it and

773
00:35:52,647 --> 00:35:55,087
Speaker 1: rewrite it and rewrite it, and the panic. But it's

774
00:35:55,167 --> 00:35:57,007
Speaker 1: all of the months that I had that I knew

775
00:35:57,007 --> 00:35:59,487
Speaker 1: I should be writing it, that I wasn't, that I

776
00:35:59,487 --> 00:36:02,487
Speaker 1: felt guilty that I wasn't. Yeah, And it's like the

777
00:36:02,567 --> 00:36:04,567
Speaker 1: relief of just not having that guilt.

778
00:36:04,607 --> 00:36:06,407
Speaker 4: Do you feel like it's got to be six months

779
00:36:06,487 --> 00:36:09,847
Speaker 4: worth of goodness, when really, you know, it's better if

780
00:36:09,887 --> 00:36:11,007
Speaker 4: they give it to you on a Friday and it's

781
00:36:11,047 --> 00:36:12,407
Speaker 4: due Monday, because then you're like, I only have the

782
00:36:12,407 --> 00:36:13,247
Speaker 4: pressure of a weekend.

783
00:36:13,367 --> 00:36:17,207
Speaker 1: Because they say that creativity is about your creative thing,

784
00:36:17,287 --> 00:36:19,487
Speaker 1: but it's within a time frame. Yeah, because otherwise you'd

785
00:36:19,527 --> 00:36:21,647
Speaker 1: never hadn't done anything, you could just work on it forever.

786
00:36:21,727 --> 00:36:25,167
Speaker 1: More So, Yeah, I'm just relieved that that's behind me

787
00:36:25,887 --> 00:36:27,247
Speaker 1: my worst.

788
00:36:27,567 --> 00:36:30,087
Speaker 4: The other day, I was showing Luca pictures on my

789
00:36:30,167 --> 00:36:33,367
Speaker 4: phone of Luna just doing silly things, and he saw

790
00:36:33,527 --> 00:36:35,927
Speaker 4: all these like really blurry photos and he went, what

791
00:36:35,927 --> 00:36:37,527
Speaker 4: are they of? And I said, oh, that's from when

792
00:36:37,527 --> 00:36:39,087
Speaker 4: I was at the playground and the kids took my

793
00:36:39,127 --> 00:36:43,567
Speaker 4: phone and he said what and I said kids. He

794
00:36:43,687 --> 00:36:45,767
Speaker 4: said what kids? And I said, well, they like because

795
00:36:45,767 --> 00:36:49,087
Speaker 4: on the back of my phone is a sticky thing

796
00:36:49,127 --> 00:36:51,647
Speaker 4: that you can stick to with little suck, with little suctions,

797
00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:53,647
Speaker 4: and the kids at the park love my phone and

798
00:36:53,687 --> 00:36:55,647
Speaker 4: they I have realized just.

799
00:36:55,607 --> 00:36:56,447
Speaker 2: Other people's kids.

800
00:36:56,887 --> 00:36:58,727
Speaker 4: I don't know how to say no to other people's children,

801
00:36:58,807 --> 00:37:00,807
Speaker 4: so I'm being bullied in parks. And I had to

802
00:37:01,407 --> 00:37:04,447
Speaker 4: admit to Luca that I get stuck in conversations with

803
00:37:04,447 --> 00:37:07,287
Speaker 4: four year olds. They tell me things and they say things,

804
00:37:07,327 --> 00:37:09,407
Speaker 4: and I don't really know how to react. But it's

805
00:37:09,447 --> 00:37:11,567
Speaker 4: like they think because I'm often on the equipment because

806
00:37:11,607 --> 00:37:13,567
Speaker 4: Luna is so little, so I'm helping her with the slide,

807
00:37:13,567 --> 00:37:15,367
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, another kid, and they come up to

808
00:37:15,407 --> 00:37:17,367
Speaker 4: me and go, I can pick up my twelve year

809
00:37:17,367 --> 00:37:19,647
Speaker 4: old cousin, and I'm like, that's just not it's.

810
00:37:19,487 --> 00:37:20,607
Speaker 3: Not a very interesting.

811
00:37:21,967 --> 00:37:24,287
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that they think that child they want

812
00:37:24,327 --> 00:37:25,647
Speaker 4: to chat and then they go into my pocket and

813
00:37:25,687 --> 00:37:26,447
Speaker 4: they get my phone out.

814
00:37:26,527 --> 00:37:27,007
Speaker 1: You're kidding.

815
00:37:27,687 --> 00:37:29,727
Speaker 4: I'm like, I like half keep an eye on them,

816
00:37:29,767 --> 00:37:31,367
Speaker 4: but I don't know how to say to someone else's kid.

817
00:37:31,927 --> 00:37:34,207
Speaker 3: Can I have my I'm the village.

818
00:37:34,207 --> 00:37:35,847
Speaker 1: I need boundaries for the people.

819
00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:37,927
Speaker 2: Other people's kids are intimidating.

820
00:37:38,007 --> 00:37:39,247
Speaker 3: They're really intimidating on.

821
00:37:39,207 --> 00:37:41,247
Speaker 2: Them to like you, even if you've never met them before.

822
00:37:41,487 --> 00:37:41,927
Speaker 3: Exactly.

823
00:37:41,967 --> 00:37:43,807
Speaker 2: I want to be that mean lady at the park

824
00:37:43,887 --> 00:37:44,887
Speaker 2: said something mean to me.

825
00:37:45,207 --> 00:37:46,887
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I try and be really and I do

826
00:37:47,047 --> 00:37:49,327
Speaker 4: like the company of kids, but I stealing.

827
00:37:49,127 --> 00:37:52,767
Speaker 1: Stations at the park with mothers when I've got Luna

828
00:37:52,847 --> 00:37:54,607
Speaker 1: and they ask me how old she is and I

829
00:37:54,647 --> 00:37:56,927
Speaker 1: never know no because I can never remember no, And

830
00:37:56,967 --> 00:37:59,167
Speaker 1: they always look at me funny. They're like, how old

831
00:37:59,167 --> 00:38:01,847
Speaker 1: are you? How old is she? And I'm like, God,

832
00:38:01,967 --> 00:38:05,447
Speaker 1: how old is she? I think she was born in June,

833
00:38:05,807 --> 00:38:06,367
Speaker 1: maybe July.

834
00:38:08,007 --> 00:38:12,447
Speaker 4: My best is. I went away for a long weekend.

835
00:38:12,447 --> 00:38:14,447
Speaker 4: That's why I wasn't on the show on Monday. And

836
00:38:14,847 --> 00:38:16,647
Speaker 4: I have a friend who lives about three hours south

837
00:38:16,767 --> 00:38:20,247
Speaker 4: of Perth, and he's lived there for years, and.

838
00:38:20,207 --> 00:38:22,047
Speaker 2: I keep can I ask why he lives three hours

839
00:38:22,047 --> 00:38:24,047
Speaker 2: south of Perth, Like is it family there? He moved,

840
00:38:24,047 --> 00:38:25,047
Speaker 2: their tree changed for him.

841
00:38:25,167 --> 00:38:28,407
Speaker 4: He moved there for his fiance. So she is from

842
00:38:28,487 --> 00:38:29,807
Speaker 4: Perth and she always wanted to go and move to

843
00:38:29,847 --> 00:38:33,127
Speaker 4: this place. And I've seen photos and like he tells

844
00:38:33,127 --> 00:38:35,167
Speaker 4: me about the beautiful beaches and it's it's right near

845
00:38:35,167 --> 00:38:37,847
Speaker 4: Margaret River, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I

846
00:38:38,047 --> 00:38:40,927
Speaker 4: sort of got it. But I wanted to go on

847
00:38:40,967 --> 00:38:42,447
Speaker 4: this trip to go and see him, so I booked it.

848
00:38:42,527 --> 00:38:44,567
Speaker 4: I organized it. I was in a call of the trip.

849
00:38:44,607 --> 00:38:47,567
Speaker 4: I did the Airbnb, I did all the flights. It

850
00:38:47,607 --> 00:38:50,607
Speaker 4: was us, It was Claire, Rorian, Matilda and my mum

851
00:38:50,647 --> 00:38:51,247
Speaker 4: came along as.

852
00:38:51,647 --> 00:38:52,287
Speaker 1: To a village.

853
00:38:52,327 --> 00:38:53,087
Speaker 3: We took a village.

854
00:38:53,127 --> 00:38:54,167
Speaker 2: She goes nowhere without her.

855
00:38:54,407 --> 00:38:55,567
Speaker 3: I need the whole village.

856
00:38:55,847 --> 00:38:59,047
Speaker 4: So we all go and we arrive and I was like,

857
00:38:59,527 --> 00:39:02,447
Speaker 4: this is them and I have I have traveled everywhere

858
00:39:02,487 --> 00:39:04,887
Speaker 4: in Australia. Name place, I've been there. This is the

859
00:39:04,927 --> 00:39:06,687
Speaker 4: most beautiful place I've ever been to in Australia.

860
00:39:06,727 --> 00:39:09,007
Speaker 2: It's because, Lord, how island is I been?

861
00:39:10,047 --> 00:39:13,327
Speaker 4: I can't even I've done Great Berry Reef, I've done Anti,

862
00:39:13,447 --> 00:39:15,887
Speaker 4: I've done everywhere. So he lives right on a place

863
00:39:15,927 --> 00:39:18,807
Speaker 4: called Smith's Beach, And when we walked down onto Smith's Speech,

864
00:39:18,847 --> 00:39:20,727
Speaker 4: we went, this is the most beautiful beach I've been to.

865
00:39:21,087 --> 00:39:26,447
Speaker 4: The whitest sand, white blue, clear visibility water, totally empty.

866
00:39:26,647 --> 00:39:29,327
Speaker 4: But it's quite bushland as well, like it's on and

867
00:39:29,407 --> 00:39:30,927
Speaker 4: on the Airbnb we're staying. At the end of our

868
00:39:30,927 --> 00:39:33,567
Speaker 4: street were kangaroos. There were just all these kangaroos that

869
00:39:33,567 --> 00:39:34,807
Speaker 4: we went and visited every morning.

870
00:39:34,927 --> 00:39:35,727
Speaker 2: Do you like nature?

871
00:39:36,007 --> 00:39:38,807
Speaker 4: I like beaches. I really really like, actually like beach.

872
00:39:39,007 --> 00:39:41,247
Speaker 4: But then what was so brilliant about this place? Not

873
00:39:41,287 --> 00:39:43,727
Speaker 4: only that it's got the fanciest restaurants, so it's not

874
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Speaker 4: like here in the middle of nowhere called so we

875
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Speaker 4: stayed in a place called Dunsborough. And the reason why

876
00:39:48,807 --> 00:39:50,687
Speaker 4: we went as well is because for the first time

877
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Speaker 4: they have done a direct flight from Sydney to Bustleton.

878
00:39:54,527 --> 00:39:56,687
Speaker 3: What I was worried about before was I'd got a perfle.

879
00:39:58,527 --> 00:40:01,207
Speaker 4: But now does this direct thing and it's just opened

880
00:40:01,287 --> 00:40:05,207
Speaker 4: up this whole area of WA. Ran into so many

881
00:40:05,207 --> 00:40:08,847
Speaker 4: out louders, most of whom I'm in Dunsborough, I would say,

882
00:40:09,487 --> 00:40:10,207
Speaker 4: have you seen a park?

883
00:40:10,247 --> 00:40:11,167
Speaker 3: Because they had little kids.

884
00:40:11,167 --> 00:40:14,247
Speaker 2: When I was like, when you're on holiday with little kids,

885
00:40:14,247 --> 00:40:15,567
Speaker 2: it's just all about where's the post.

886
00:40:15,767 --> 00:40:19,287
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was just the most brilliant long weekend.

887
00:40:19,287 --> 00:40:19,727
Speaker 1: It was lovely.

888
00:40:19,807 --> 00:40:21,887
Speaker 3: If you're planning a holiday, please look it up. It's amazing.

889
00:40:22,087 --> 00:40:24,247
Speaker 2: Oh what was your worst? My worst is that I'm

890
00:40:24,247 --> 00:40:28,247
Speaker 2: a complete hypocrite. And on Saturday we did our Christmas decorations,

891
00:40:28,247 --> 00:40:29,847
Speaker 2: which was a backflip for me because it was a

892
00:40:29,847 --> 00:40:31,487
Speaker 2: whole week earlier. And you know how I made a

893
00:40:31,527 --> 00:40:32,767
Speaker 2: big thing, didn't I.

894
00:40:32,767 --> 00:40:34,087
Speaker 3: I thought you said you were allowed to do it

895
00:40:34,087 --> 00:40:34,567
Speaker 3: in December.

896
00:40:34,607 --> 00:40:37,327
Speaker 2: Well from December the first it's acceptable, okay.

897
00:40:37,047 --> 00:40:38,607
Speaker 1: But I still not very classic.

898
00:40:38,687 --> 00:40:41,927
Speaker 2: I I deally would like to wait till this weekend.

899
00:40:42,007 --> 00:40:43,207
Speaker 3: It's basically Christmas now.

900
00:40:43,367 --> 00:40:45,207
Speaker 2: My worst is said, I'm a hypocrite, and I bloody

901
00:40:45,207 --> 00:40:47,327
Speaker 2: loved it. Where I live, we go to a Christmas

902
00:40:47,327 --> 00:40:49,287
Speaker 2: tree farm and you cut down your own tree. Love

903
00:40:49,367 --> 00:40:52,207
Speaker 2: that shit, have to dodge snakes. It was thirty three degrees.

904
00:40:52,367 --> 00:40:55,247
Speaker 2: It was the hottest. I'm sorry out loud. As you

905
00:40:55,327 --> 00:40:58,527
Speaker 2: live in Britain, you don't understand like Christmas in Australia.

906
00:40:59,247 --> 00:41:00,167
Speaker 1: Have you adjusted? Yeah?

907
00:41:00,207 --> 00:41:02,127
Speaker 2: Sure, oh yeah, It's been many years and I'm used

908
00:41:02,167 --> 00:41:04,767
Speaker 2: to it, but it is there's still something very strange

909
00:41:04,887 --> 00:41:07,327
Speaker 2: about because I love a real Christmas tree. And you

910
00:41:07,407 --> 00:41:09,407
Speaker 2: know how we see all those New York movies. Are

911
00:41:09,407 --> 00:41:11,407
Speaker 2: they dragging the fur trees down the street through the

912
00:41:11,447 --> 00:41:14,127
Speaker 2: snow with their wooly hats on, And then we're like,

913
00:41:14,727 --> 00:41:18,967
Speaker 2: we're kind of pretending to reenact that in a stinking

914
00:41:19,127 --> 00:41:21,727
Speaker 2: hot paddock in the middle of the bush with the

915
00:41:21,807 --> 00:41:22,967
Speaker 2: snakes and spiders.

916
00:41:22,967 --> 00:41:24,607
Speaker 3: And then we have a hot Christmas lunch and the

917
00:41:24,727 --> 00:41:25,287
Speaker 3: kids are.

918
00:41:25,167 --> 00:41:28,127
Speaker 2: Like it's so hot, and I'm like, shut up, Christmas spirit,

919
00:41:28,247 --> 00:41:31,847
Speaker 2: push on, let's go. Anyway. It was really fun, but

920
00:41:31,887 --> 00:41:33,967
Speaker 2: why you decide to go early. Well A, it's the

921
00:41:34,047 --> 00:41:35,927
Speaker 2: peer pressure from all the out louders who told me

922
00:41:35,967 --> 00:41:39,007
Speaker 2: I was a snob, and also the kids. The kids

923
00:41:39,047 --> 00:41:41,887
Speaker 2: are like, they're so excited, right, they're so even now

924
00:41:41,887 --> 00:41:44,567
Speaker 2: they're so old, They're like, just let's do it, let's

925
00:41:44,567 --> 00:41:45,887
Speaker 2: do it. And then they know that we're allowed to

926
00:41:45,887 --> 00:41:49,047
Speaker 2: play Christmas music. Then we've met I've played poor Brent Street.

927
00:41:49,167 --> 00:41:51,407
Speaker 2: I am very strict. There is no Christmas music all

928
00:41:51,407 --> 00:41:53,727
Speaker 2: out until we're driving home from picking up the tree.

929
00:41:54,207 --> 00:41:56,647
Speaker 2: That's when how to make gravy goes off. A conversation

930
00:41:56,687 --> 00:41:58,607
Speaker 2: about that at another time, and then we put the

931
00:41:58,647 --> 00:42:00,447
Speaker 2: tree up, and then I make Brent and me we

932
00:42:00,527 --> 00:42:02,487
Speaker 2: put up all our solar lights outside, so the whole

933
00:42:02,487 --> 00:42:06,887
Speaker 2: house is flashing. I'm so exciting. I love it. Anyway,

934
00:42:06,927 --> 00:42:09,647
Speaker 2: that was my worst is that I'm a hypocrite. Is

935
00:42:09,647 --> 00:42:12,607
Speaker 2: actually though Brett and I went on date night on Friday,

936
00:42:12,687 --> 00:42:17,887
Speaker 2: me and my elderly boyfriend. Only wonderful things about the

937
00:42:17,967 --> 00:42:21,647
Speaker 2: kids being older is that you can leave them, you

938
00:42:21,647 --> 00:42:24,047
Speaker 2: can leave them in the house and so you can

939
00:42:24,087 --> 00:42:26,767
Speaker 2: go and do things like it's Friday, it's half past four,

940
00:42:26,887 --> 00:42:28,927
Speaker 2: Let's knock off work a bit early and go and

941
00:42:28,967 --> 00:42:31,367
Speaker 2: see Gladiator. We've been dying to go and see Gladiator together,

942
00:42:32,327 --> 00:42:34,287
Speaker 2: so we went to see Gladiada two together and look,

943
00:42:34,367 --> 00:42:38,247
Speaker 2: it is a ridiculous movie, but it's totally enjoyable. Paul

944
00:42:38,287 --> 00:42:42,007
Speaker 2: Mescal like, I don't know quite what accent he was doing,

945
00:42:42,047 --> 00:42:44,687
Speaker 2: but he was hot. I Kadro Pascal is one of

946
00:42:44,727 --> 00:42:48,247
Speaker 2: my absolute favorites, and he is underused but very hot.

947
00:42:48,487 --> 00:42:51,047
Speaker 2: The person who steals this whole movie is Denzel Washing.

948
00:42:52,447 --> 00:42:56,287
Speaker 2: Entirely belongs to him. He's chewing the scenery like. He

949
00:42:56,327 --> 00:42:58,647
Speaker 2: looks like he's having the best time of his life.

950
00:42:58,687 --> 00:43:01,007
Speaker 2: It's a lot of fun, but he's two and a

951
00:43:01,007 --> 00:43:01,607
Speaker 2: bit hours.

952
00:43:01,807 --> 00:43:03,047
Speaker 3: Come on, do you check your fine?

953
00:43:04,167 --> 00:43:06,127
Speaker 2: Only to see if the kids were harassing me? And

954
00:43:06,207 --> 00:43:09,127
Speaker 2: then we went and had dumplings, and then the kids

955
00:43:09,367 --> 00:43:11,447
Speaker 2: start harassing me because there was a thunderstorm, so I

956
00:43:11,487 --> 00:43:13,127
Speaker 2: had left them at home, but then they started going

957
00:43:13,167 --> 00:43:15,727
Speaker 2: come home now, please understorm. I'm like, damn it, but

958
00:43:16,287 --> 00:43:19,847
Speaker 2: great date night with the boyfriend. Recommend Gladiated too if

959
00:43:19,847 --> 00:43:22,567
Speaker 2: you are prepared to suspend your like, is it a

960
00:43:22,607 --> 00:43:23,767
Speaker 2: really good movie?

961
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Speaker 1: No?

962
00:43:24,607 --> 00:43:26,207
Speaker 2: Is it a really fun couple of hours?

963
00:43:26,327 --> 00:43:26,527
Speaker 1: Yes?

964
00:43:26,927 --> 00:43:28,967
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna have to say, and that is

965
00:43:29,007 --> 00:43:31,567
Speaker 2: all we've got time for out louder Is, thank you

966
00:43:31,647 --> 00:43:33,527
Speaker 2: so much for being with us for another week, and

967
00:43:33,607 --> 00:43:35,767
Speaker 2: a massive thank you to our team who put these

968
00:43:35,767 --> 00:43:40,407
Speaker 2: things together. Mis Mia, mius Mia and Jesse readers out big.

969
00:43:40,167 --> 00:43:42,807
Speaker 1: Thank you to our team group Executive producer and protective

970
00:43:42,847 --> 00:43:45,047
Speaker 1: hag Ruth Divine. She is the village, but then she

971
00:43:45,087 --> 00:43:46,727
Speaker 1: gets really tired and she wants to move out.

972
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Speaker 4: Executive producer Emmeline Gazillis likes the idea of village, but

973
00:43:50,167 --> 00:43:52,687
Speaker 4: only if she can be selective and vote people off

974
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Speaker 4: if needed.

975
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Speaker 1: Our audio producer is Leah Porgoes. She likes her private

976
00:43:55,847 --> 00:43:57,847
Speaker 1: space too much to have people popping in and out

977
00:43:57,887 --> 00:43:58,727
Speaker 1: whenever they please.

978
00:43:59,087 --> 00:44:00,647
Speaker 2: It is true you have to tolerate a part for

979
00:44:00,807 --> 00:44:03,767
Speaker 2: life if you are truly committing to the village.

980
00:44:03,607 --> 00:44:04,567
Speaker 1: Not a fan of a popul No.

981
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Speaker 4: I see in the village there were huts, and I

982
00:44:05,967 --> 00:44:08,487
Speaker 4: don't think the hut's had doors. And our video producer

983
00:44:08,647 --> 00:44:11,767
Speaker 4: is Josh Green. He doesn't believe in the self made person.

984
00:44:11,807 --> 00:44:14,247
Speaker 4: Here's where he is to date. Because of his village

985
00:44:14,407 --> 00:44:16,407
Speaker 4: and with the support of those around.

986
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Speaker 1: Him, he wins his top of the leaderboard for nice people.

987
00:44:19,447 --> 00:44:21,887
Speaker 3: Love jobs.

988
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Speaker 4: We know you're not quite early to say goodbye by

989
00:44:24,887 --> 00:44:26,767
Speaker 4: we thought we would leave you with a bit of

990
00:44:26,767 --> 00:44:30,087
Speaker 4: a conversation we had about the trends we love and

991
00:44:30,127 --> 00:44:31,847
Speaker 4: the trends that need to go immediately. It was our

992
00:44:31,847 --> 00:44:34,127
Speaker 4: ins and Outs for twenty twenty five. May I feel

993
00:44:34,127 --> 00:44:36,887
Speaker 4: as though you will genuinely really enjoy Holly and I

994
00:44:37,327 --> 00:44:41,127
Speaker 4: being trendssetters. You're gonna I will explain to you why

995
00:44:41,207 --> 00:44:42,887
Speaker 4: broken arms are in for.

996
00:44:42,847 --> 00:44:44,287
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five. There's your hoo.

997
00:44:44,487 --> 00:44:45,327
Speaker 1: It's so good.

998
00:44:46,967 --> 00:44:49,487
Speaker 4: I saw this thing recently where someone said, when was

999
00:44:49,527 --> 00:44:51,167
Speaker 4: the last time you saw a kid with a broken arm?

1000
00:44:52,167 --> 00:44:55,087
Speaker 3: Think about it. Oh, so when I was a kid.

1001
00:44:55,687 --> 00:44:58,327
Speaker 2: Albo's going to bring that back with the social media band. Yes,

1002
00:44:59,167 --> 00:45:01,367
Speaker 2: they're going to band social media and bring back kids

1003
00:45:01,367 --> 00:45:02,927
Speaker 2: with broken arms. This is this is what we're getting.

1004
00:45:03,047 --> 00:45:04,847
Speaker 3: Yes, so we've seen when.

1005
00:45:04,727 --> 00:45:06,927
Speaker 4: I was in primary school, if someone didn't have a

1006
00:45:06,967 --> 00:45:08,047
Speaker 4: broken arm, that had a broken leg.

1007
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Speaker 2: There's a link in the show notes to hear that episode.

1008
00:45:11,007 --> 00:45:13,927
Speaker 4: Shout out to any Mum and mea subscribers listening. If

1009
00:45:13,927 --> 00:45:15,887
Speaker 4: you love the show and you want to support us,

1010
00:45:16,167 --> 00:45:19,087
Speaker 4: Subscribing to MoMA Mia is the very best way to

1011
00:45:19,127 --> 00:45:21,567
Speaker 4: do so. There's a link in the episode description.