1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:15,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:15,334 --> 00:00:18,174 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 3 00:00:18,214 --> 00:00:24,214 Speaker 1: is recorded on Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumama's 4 00:00:24,294 --> 00:00:28,014 Speaker 1: daily news podcast, The Quickie. This week, two women experience 5 00:00:28,094 --> 00:00:31,774 Speaker 1: some of the most incredible and intimate moments of their lives, 6 00:00:32,174 --> 00:00:35,334 Speaker 1: but their proximity to fame meant those moments were taken 7 00:00:35,374 --> 00:00:39,894 Speaker 1: from them by our insatiable hunger for information on their lives. Today, 8 00:00:39,894 --> 00:00:42,734 Speaker 1: we're looking into whether nothing is sacred as Margo Robbie 9 00:00:42,774 --> 00:00:45,934 Speaker 1: and Vanessa Hudgens had their baby news stolen from them 10 00:00:45,934 --> 00:00:49,174 Speaker 1: by paparazzi or did they? But before we look into 11 00:00:49,174 --> 00:00:51,374 Speaker 1: the issues around famous women and their right to keep 12 00:00:51,374 --> 00:00:53,734 Speaker 1: their baby news to themselves. Here's the latest from the 13 00:00:53,814 --> 00:00:57,094 Speaker 1: Quikie newsroom, Thursday, July eleven. A decision will be made 14 00:00:57,134 --> 00:00:59,494 Speaker 1: this morning as to whether the snap curfew in Our 15 00:00:59,654 --> 00:01:03,054 Speaker 1: Springs will be extended after a brawl involving dozens of 16 00:01:03,054 --> 00:01:06,014 Speaker 1: people broke out in the town center. Police say most 17 00:01:06,054 --> 00:01:09,374 Speaker 1: people have complied with the restrictions, but yesterday afternoon they 18 00:01:09,414 --> 00:01:12,094 Speaker 1: were arrested five people involved in a brawl on Bath 19 00:01:12,134 --> 00:01:15,694 Speaker 1: Street in the center of town after a family feud escalated. 20 00:01:15,934 --> 00:01:19,174 Speaker 1: Many found to be carrying weapons, including Nulla Nulla's spears, 21 00:01:19,214 --> 00:01:22,134 Speaker 1: a machete in a baseball bat. It's being reported it's 22 00:01:22,174 --> 00:01:24,894 Speaker 1: these same families that sparked a three week curfew in 23 00:01:24,934 --> 00:01:27,494 Speaker 1: March and April following the death of an eighteen year 24 00:01:27,534 --> 00:01:30,054 Speaker 1: old man who'd been left trapped under a stolen vehicle. 25 00:01:30,454 --> 00:01:33,374 Speaker 1: The Anti Police Minister and Police Commissioner will meet this 26 00:01:33,414 --> 00:01:37,214 Speaker 1: morning to discuss the curfew extension, which impacts both locals 27 00:01:37,254 --> 00:01:40,574 Speaker 1: and visitors. With around five thousand people having traveled to 28 00:01:40,614 --> 00:01:43,374 Speaker 1: Alice Springs for school holidays, the Alice Spring Show and 29 00:01:43,534 --> 00:01:47,774 Speaker 1: Nadock Week, the Israeli military has ordered all Palestinians to 30 00:01:47,894 --> 00:01:50,854 Speaker 1: leave Gaza City and heads south, pushing ahead with an 31 00:01:50,894 --> 00:01:53,934 Speaker 1: offensive across the north, south and center of the enclave, 32 00:01:54,294 --> 00:01:57,494 Speaker 1: killing dozens of people in the last two days. Israel 33 00:01:57,534 --> 00:02:00,734 Speaker 1: says it is continuing its pursuit of Hamas fighters, who 34 00:02:00,774 --> 00:02:04,054 Speaker 1: they claim are regrouping in various parts of the embattled territory, 35 00:02:04,334 --> 00:02:07,174 Speaker 1: but the heavy strikes across Gaza in recent days could 36 00:02:07,254 --> 00:02:09,894 Speaker 1: put a strain on a long elusive sea spy deal 37 00:02:10,134 --> 00:02:14,054 Speaker 1: that still being negotiated by the US Egyptian Katar. Israel 38 00:02:14,094 --> 00:02:16,814 Speaker 1: informed the people in Gaza City of the evacuation order 39 00:02:16,814 --> 00:02:20,134 Speaker 1: by dropping leaflets urging them to take two safe routes 40 00:02:20,174 --> 00:02:22,854 Speaker 1: out of the city, explaining that the city itself will 41 00:02:22,894 --> 00:02:26,294 Speaker 1: remain a dangerous combat zone. Large parts of the city 42 00:02:26,334 --> 00:02:29,134 Speaker 1: and the areas surrounding it have already been flattened by 43 00:02:29,214 --> 00:02:33,454 Speaker 1: previous Israeli assaults. UK police have arrested a man accused 44 00:02:33,494 --> 00:02:37,054 Speaker 1: of killing three members of a famous BBC commentator's family 45 00:02:37,054 --> 00:02:40,174 Speaker 1: near London. The victims, age twenty five, twenty eight and 46 00:02:40,254 --> 00:02:43,454 Speaker 1: sixty one, are reportedly the wife and two daughters of 47 00:02:43,534 --> 00:02:47,974 Speaker 1: BBC race caller John Hunt, Carol, Hannah and Louise. According 48 00:02:47,974 --> 00:02:50,694 Speaker 1: to BBC News, the three women were allegedly killed by 49 00:02:50,694 --> 00:02:53,174 Speaker 1: a twenty six year old man with a crossbow, who 50 00:02:53,294 --> 00:02:56,414 Speaker 1: was later tracked by police and arrested. It hasn't been 51 00:02:56,454 --> 00:02:59,134 Speaker 1: confirmed by authorities, but it's believed the man may have 52 00:02:59,134 --> 00:03:01,294 Speaker 1: been the ex boyfriend of one of the young women 53 00:03:01,334 --> 00:03:04,654 Speaker 1: who was killed. The three victims were tragically found by 54 00:03:04,734 --> 00:03:07,574 Speaker 1: mister Hunt when he returned home from work. The boss 55 00:03:07,614 --> 00:03:10,894 Speaker 1: of BBC five, where he works, says they'll provide John 56 00:03:10,894 --> 00:03:13,214 Speaker 1: and his other daughter, who wasn't home at the time, 57 00:03:13,294 --> 00:03:16,254 Speaker 1: with all the support they can. Three years to the 58 00:03:16,334 --> 00:03:19,494 Speaker 1: day since she took out her Wimbledon title, Ozzie ash 59 00:03:19,534 --> 00:03:22,654 Speaker 1: Barty returned to center court at the Iconic Venue, playing 60 00:03:22,694 --> 00:03:26,334 Speaker 1: alongside her longtime bestie Casey de Laqua. The fun doubles 61 00:03:26,374 --> 00:03:29,174 Speaker 1: match was brought forward due to fellow OSSI Alex Dimenor's 62 00:03:29,214 --> 00:03:31,334 Speaker 1: hip injury forcing him to pull out of the quarter 63 00:03:31,454 --> 00:03:35,054 Speaker 1: final match against Novak Djokovic. The event organizes needing a 64 00:03:35,054 --> 00:03:38,334 Speaker 1: little star power on center court, Barti explained how she 65 00:03:38,494 --> 00:03:40,414 Speaker 1: was at her house making lunch for her one year 66 00:03:40,414 --> 00:03:42,894 Speaker 1: old son, Hayden, when she got the email saying they'd 67 00:03:42,934 --> 00:03:45,894 Speaker 1: been moved to Center court, calling de Laqua and laughing 68 00:03:45,934 --> 00:03:49,134 Speaker 1: over the unexpected upgrade. The now twenty eight year old 69 00:03:49,134 --> 00:03:52,134 Speaker 1: has never looked happier on court, apologizing for being a 70 00:03:52,134 --> 00:03:54,974 Speaker 1: bit rusty and looking a little pleased with herself and 71 00:03:55,054 --> 00:03:59,294 Speaker 1: glimpses of her former form returned. Barti said it felt incredible, 72 00:03:59,494 --> 00:04:01,614 Speaker 1: but when a reporter asked her if she was planning 73 00:04:01,614 --> 00:04:04,094 Speaker 1: a comeback, she responded saying, you guys are killing me. 74 00:04:04,454 --> 00:04:07,174 Speaker 1: Anyone have athosaurus for another word? I can use for 75 00:04:07,254 --> 00:04:09,534 Speaker 1: no that's what's happening in the world today. Next time 76 00:04:09,654 --> 00:04:13,094 Speaker 1: our celebrity baby's fair game, we look at what protections 77 00:04:13,174 --> 00:04:15,974 Speaker 1: new Hollywood mums should be getting as we again expose 78 00:04:16,054 --> 00:04:28,654 Speaker 1: their little ones for gossip. Celebrity babies can whip up 79 00:04:28,734 --> 00:04:32,654 Speaker 1: quite the frenzy. Remember when Beyonce stroked that baby bum 80 00:04:32,774 --> 00:04:36,774 Speaker 1: during her twenty eleven MTV Video Awards performance. When the 81 00:04:36,774 --> 00:04:39,654 Speaker 1: British media lines up outside the hospital for the births 82 00:04:39,654 --> 00:04:42,494 Speaker 1: of princes like William and Harry and later their own 83 00:04:42,574 --> 00:04:45,814 Speaker 1: children George, Charlotte, Louis and Archie. Do you recall how 84 00:04:45,854 --> 00:04:48,334 Speaker 1: you felt when Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin called their 85 00:04:48,334 --> 00:04:51,174 Speaker 1: baby Apple, or Kim Kardashian and Kanye West called their 86 00:04:51,214 --> 00:04:55,134 Speaker 1: baby North, or when Rihanna rocked those amazing maternity outfits. 87 00:04:55,814 --> 00:04:58,814 Speaker 1: All of these instances of celebrity babies making the news 88 00:04:58,854 --> 00:05:01,654 Speaker 1: headlines in the past seem quite cute and a little 89 00:05:01,654 --> 00:05:04,054 Speaker 1: bit quaint, But there is a darker side of the 90 00:05:04,094 --> 00:05:07,694 Speaker 1: media obsession with celebrities and their offspring, Like in two 91 00:05:07,734 --> 00:05:11,094 Speaker 1: thousand and eight when Ellen Degenner sat with icon Mariah 92 00:05:11,174 --> 00:05:14,694 Speaker 1: Carey and drilled her on why she wasn't drinking their champagne. 93 00:05:14,694 --> 00:05:18,054 Speaker 1: She'd been offered. Let's just tell us for champagne and decide, yeah, 94 00:05:18,094 --> 00:05:19,134 Speaker 1: you want to you want to taste it. 95 00:05:19,254 --> 00:05:20,574 Speaker 2: I can't believe you did this to me. 96 00:05:20,694 --> 00:05:20,974 Speaker 1: Ellen. 97 00:05:21,254 --> 00:05:23,974 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you if you're pregnant. Peera pressure. 98 00:05:24,094 --> 00:05:25,294 Speaker 3: You see what Ellen is doing. 99 00:05:25,334 --> 00:05:26,414 Speaker 2: This is peer pressure. 100 00:05:26,694 --> 00:05:30,694 Speaker 1: Let's tells to you not being pregnant, if you're not pregnant. 101 00:05:31,374 --> 00:05:34,014 Speaker 1: Years later we would find out that yes, Mariah was 102 00:05:34,054 --> 00:05:36,614 Speaker 1: in fact pregnant that time, a pregnancy that not long 103 00:05:36,694 --> 00:05:39,894 Speaker 1: after that interview ended in a miscarriage, and she has 104 00:05:39,934 --> 00:05:43,654 Speaker 1: since said how uncomfortable that moment made her feel. Britney 105 00:05:43,654 --> 00:05:46,094 Speaker 1: Spears wrote in her memoir The Woman in Me about 106 00:05:46,094 --> 00:05:48,414 Speaker 1: how the paparazzi stalked her when she was a new 107 00:05:48,454 --> 00:05:51,494 Speaker 1: mum in the mid two thousands. One pick in particular 108 00:05:51,534 --> 00:05:54,534 Speaker 1: of her while pregnant with Jaden tripping while holding then 109 00:05:54,574 --> 00:05:57,614 Speaker 1: toddler Sean, led to headlines screaming about her being a 110 00:05:57,734 --> 00:06:00,694 Speaker 1: terrible mother, Britney pointing out that the biggest threat to 111 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:05,094 Speaker 1: her children at that time were the paparazzi themselves. Gigi 112 00:06:05,134 --> 00:06:07,774 Speaker 1: had did posted this on Instagram not long after having 113 00:06:07,814 --> 00:06:08,854 Speaker 1: her little girl Kai. 114 00:06:09,334 --> 00:06:12,974 Speaker 4: We have never intentionally shared our daughter's face on social media. 115 00:06:13,294 --> 00:06:15,094 Speaker 4: It would mean the world to us as we take 116 00:06:15,134 --> 00:06:17,494 Speaker 4: our daughter to see and explore New York City and 117 00:06:17,534 --> 00:06:20,734 Speaker 4: the world. If you would, please, please please blur her 118 00:06:20,774 --> 00:06:23,054 Speaker 4: face out of the images if and when she is 119 00:06:23,094 --> 00:06:23,854 Speaker 4: caught on camera. 120 00:06:24,454 --> 00:06:27,574 Speaker 1: Blake Lively felt forced to post pictures of herself while 121 00:06:27,614 --> 00:06:31,214 Speaker 1: pregnant to stop the paparazzi hounding her outside her home, 122 00:06:31,534 --> 00:06:34,414 Speaker 1: and when she took her new baby outside, she slammed 123 00:06:34,414 --> 00:06:37,854 Speaker 1: an Australian publication for stitching together picks of her smiling 124 00:06:37,894 --> 00:06:40,534 Speaker 1: and waving with ones walking her kids. 125 00:06:40,974 --> 00:06:43,414 Speaker 3: I was able to agree to smile and wave and 126 00:06:43,494 --> 00:06:46,014 Speaker 3: let them take my picture away from my children if 127 00:06:46,054 --> 00:06:48,894 Speaker 3: they would leave my kids alone because it was frightening. 128 00:06:49,254 --> 00:06:52,734 Speaker 3: Please stop paying grown ass men to hide and hunt children. 129 00:06:53,374 --> 00:06:55,494 Speaker 1: It seems that at a time when a woman is 130 00:06:55,574 --> 00:06:59,374 Speaker 1: at her most vulnerable, the media beast gets even hungrier 131 00:06:59,454 --> 00:07:02,734 Speaker 1: for a piece of her. The celebrity baby public territory 132 00:07:02,734 --> 00:07:05,974 Speaker 1: debate back in the spotlight this week, with two celebrity 133 00:07:06,014 --> 00:07:09,934 Speaker 1: women having to manage their growing family story. First, it 134 00:07:09,974 --> 00:07:12,974 Speaker 1: was actress Vanessa Hudgens who revealed her pregnancy on the 135 00:07:13,014 --> 00:07:16,174 Speaker 1: red carpet of the Oscars earlier this year, looking stunning 136 00:07:16,174 --> 00:07:18,614 Speaker 1: in a fitted black gown that showed her growing belly. 137 00:07:19,294 --> 00:07:22,094 Speaker 1: Her baby's arrival a few days ago was announced by 138 00:07:22,174 --> 00:07:25,334 Speaker 1: tabloid outlet TMZ. Before she had the chance to say 139 00:07:25,334 --> 00:07:28,774 Speaker 1: anything herself, she was then snapped leaving the hospital in 140 00:07:28,774 --> 00:07:31,654 Speaker 1: a wheelchair holding her baby in her arms, posting this 141 00:07:31,774 --> 00:07:32,774 Speaker 1: later on Instagram. 142 00:07:33,134 --> 00:07:36,814 Speaker 5: Were disappointed that our family's privacy was disrespected during this 143 00:07:37,014 --> 00:07:39,734 Speaker 5: very special time due to the greed of a long 144 00:07:39,814 --> 00:07:43,534 Speaker 5: lens camera feeding the media. Despite all of that, Mum, 145 00:07:43,734 --> 00:07:45,894 Speaker 5: dad and baby are happy and healthy. 146 00:07:46,694 --> 00:07:49,694 Speaker 1: Then, also this week, People magazine broke the story of 147 00:07:49,774 --> 00:07:52,854 Speaker 1: Ossie actress Margot Robbie, who'd been snapped on holiday in 148 00:07:52,934 --> 00:07:55,734 Speaker 1: Italy with her husband wearing a crop top and low 149 00:07:55,854 --> 00:07:58,534 Speaker 1: rise pants with what looked to be the swell of 150 00:07:58,574 --> 00:08:02,494 Speaker 1: a baby bump. The news spread like wildfire. Meanwhile, Margot 151 00:08:02,534 --> 00:08:05,894 Speaker 1: Robbie's people have yet to confirm anything. Was she actually 152 00:08:05,894 --> 00:08:09,694 Speaker 1: even pregnant or had she just enjoyed some amazing Italian cuisine? 153 00:08:10,094 --> 00:08:12,534 Speaker 1: Without our desire to know everything there is to know 154 00:08:12,574 --> 00:08:15,694 Speaker 1: about a celebrity, including her fertility journey and arrival of 155 00:08:15,694 --> 00:08:19,654 Speaker 1: any offspring, there would be no desperate hunting of celebrity babies. 156 00:08:20,734 --> 00:08:23,334 Speaker 1: But should there be something in place that better protects 157 00:08:23,374 --> 00:08:25,534 Speaker 1: them or is the beast now too big to put 158 00:08:25,574 --> 00:08:29,534 Speaker 1: back in its box. Laura Brodnick mummamis entertainment editor and 159 00:08:29,654 --> 00:08:32,694 Speaker 1: co host of our daily entertainment podcast The Spill. Unpack 160 00:08:32,734 --> 00:08:35,854 Speaker 1: this on the show yesterday, Laura, is there any honor 161 00:08:35,974 --> 00:08:39,174 Speaker 1: amongst paparazzi when it comes to celebs being pregnant or 162 00:08:39,214 --> 00:08:40,094 Speaker 1: just having given birth? 163 00:08:40,654 --> 00:08:42,814 Speaker 2: It's very much still a free for all, very much 164 00:08:42,854 --> 00:08:45,494 Speaker 2: dependent on the fame level of the person. We sort 165 00:08:45,494 --> 00:08:48,334 Speaker 2: of see a lot of different paparazzi or media photo 166 00:08:48,414 --> 00:08:51,814 Speaker 2: agencies hold back a little bit if the person is 167 00:08:51,894 --> 00:08:53,734 Speaker 2: maybe not as well known, but if they're a big 168 00:08:53,774 --> 00:08:57,654 Speaker 2: amiss celebrity, particularly if their baby is with another famous person, 169 00:08:57,734 --> 00:09:00,374 Speaker 2: so with two famous parents, or there's been some sort 170 00:09:00,374 --> 00:09:02,534 Speaker 2: of story building around that all they've kept the baby 171 00:09:02,534 --> 00:09:04,694 Speaker 2: out of the public eye, they can be a bit 172 00:09:04,734 --> 00:09:08,614 Speaker 2: more of a frenzy. There are some instances where celebrities 173 00:09:08,734 --> 00:09:13,174 Speaker 2: have cultivated relationships with some paparazzi, So in the case 174 00:09:13,214 --> 00:09:16,694 Speaker 2: of Rihanna announcing her first pregnancy, that was a paparazzi 175 00:09:16,694 --> 00:09:19,254 Speaker 2: street photographer that was known to her and she set 176 00:09:19,334 --> 00:09:21,894 Speaker 2: up those shots. In some other cases, like with a 177 00:09:21,974 --> 00:09:24,734 Speaker 2: Christine Bell or a Hilary Duff, who are two women 178 00:09:24,774 --> 00:09:27,174 Speaker 2: that are very well known for going over and directly 179 00:09:27,214 --> 00:09:30,694 Speaker 2: speaking to paparazzi, asking them to delete photos, asking them 180 00:09:30,694 --> 00:09:34,374 Speaker 2: not to print different photos. Sometimes because those paparazzi are 181 00:09:34,454 --> 00:09:36,374 Speaker 2: known to them, they can get that to happen, but 182 00:09:36,414 --> 00:09:38,134 Speaker 2: it's a very case by case basis. 183 00:09:38,534 --> 00:09:40,574 Speaker 1: Well, that's my next question is with some of these 184 00:09:40,574 --> 00:09:45,174 Speaker 1: big names asking for privacy. Sometimes they do it very publicly, 185 00:09:45,174 --> 00:09:47,974 Speaker 1: like through their Instagram accounts, but it doesn't seem to 186 00:09:47,974 --> 00:09:51,814 Speaker 1: stop it. But are they really wanting the paparazzi to 187 00:09:51,854 --> 00:09:54,774 Speaker 1: pull back completely when they do rely on those paparazzi 188 00:09:54,814 --> 00:09:58,134 Speaker 1: to a degree to make sure their careers are still relevant. 189 00:09:58,374 --> 00:10:00,254 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very fine line. So you have someone 190 00:10:00,294 --> 00:10:02,734 Speaker 2: like Kim Kardashian who knows a lot of the names 191 00:10:02,734 --> 00:10:05,894 Speaker 2: of paparazzi, and often when you see videos and photos 192 00:10:05,894 --> 00:10:08,734 Speaker 2: of her walking through LA she'll say to her kids, like, 193 00:10:08,774 --> 00:10:11,134 Speaker 2: I know that papara He's been taking photos of me 194 00:10:11,654 --> 00:10:13,654 Speaker 2: since before you were born, And they have a bit 195 00:10:13,734 --> 00:10:17,094 Speaker 2: of a relationship, and also with some celebrities like that, 196 00:10:17,134 --> 00:10:20,374 Speaker 2: with especially with the Kardashian Jenna family, they often do 197 00:10:20,494 --> 00:10:24,854 Speaker 2: different campaigns where they use paparazzi and how those photos 198 00:10:24,894 --> 00:10:27,054 Speaker 2: be distributed. It is a bit of a fine line 199 00:10:27,094 --> 00:10:29,334 Speaker 2: because some of the rules have been put in place 200 00:10:29,614 --> 00:10:32,334 Speaker 2: just through a code of conduct, not official rules, that 201 00:10:32,414 --> 00:10:35,734 Speaker 2: if you don't show your child's face, then the paparazzi 202 00:10:35,814 --> 00:10:39,014 Speaker 2: are less likely to take photos. So I think it 203 00:10:39,054 --> 00:10:41,894 Speaker 2: was in twenty fourteen when Kristen Bell and Duck Shepherd 204 00:10:42,014 --> 00:10:44,374 Speaker 2: tried to get a law passed and they ended up 205 00:10:44,374 --> 00:10:47,854 Speaker 2: contacting a lot of different outlets who promised that they 206 00:10:47,894 --> 00:10:51,294 Speaker 2: wouldn't buy any photos of kids, particularly photos that were 207 00:10:51,294 --> 00:10:54,614 Speaker 2: taken without their knowledge. But the difference is there is 208 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:57,774 Speaker 2: that if celebrities share photos of kids on their own pages, 209 00:10:57,974 --> 00:10:59,894 Speaker 2: or if they have them at events, that's the other thing. 210 00:10:59,974 --> 00:11:02,094 Speaker 2: It becomes more of a free for all, and then 211 00:11:02,094 --> 00:11:04,334 Speaker 2: there's not as much room for them to push back 212 00:11:04,374 --> 00:11:06,174 Speaker 2: on the photos being used. So it can be a 213 00:11:06,214 --> 00:11:09,134 Speaker 2: bit of a dicey conversation. But for someone like a 214 00:11:09,134 --> 00:11:11,654 Speaker 2: Busy Pillips, who is an actress who has often shared 215 00:11:11,654 --> 00:11:14,294 Speaker 2: her kids online, talks about them, writes books about them. 216 00:11:14,694 --> 00:11:16,934 Speaker 2: Her point is that there's a big difference between her 217 00:11:17,094 --> 00:11:18,814 Speaker 2: taking a photo of her kid in the safety of 218 00:11:18,854 --> 00:11:22,294 Speaker 2: her house and posting it to a photographer chasing them 219 00:11:22,294 --> 00:11:25,374 Speaker 2: down the street, because then there's fear around the child 220 00:11:25,494 --> 00:11:28,814 Speaker 2: and it's not a controlled environment, whereas if the parent 221 00:11:28,894 --> 00:11:31,534 Speaker 2: is taking a photo at home, there's no fear associated 222 00:11:31,574 --> 00:11:33,494 Speaker 2: with it. So that's kind of a line that they've 223 00:11:33,534 --> 00:11:34,214 Speaker 2: been or walking. 224 00:11:35,254 --> 00:11:38,654 Speaker 1: Well, can we break down the Margo Robbie pregnancy announcement 225 00:11:38,694 --> 00:11:41,574 Speaker 1: for a moment, because when the news broke, many of 226 00:11:41,654 --> 00:11:44,454 Speaker 1: us are quite hesitant to report on it because the 227 00:11:44,534 --> 00:11:47,414 Speaker 1: story was that her pregnancy announcement was based on a 228 00:11:47,414 --> 00:11:50,054 Speaker 1: paparazzi photo where she just kind of looks a bit 229 00:11:50,054 --> 00:11:51,934 Speaker 1: pregnant because she's wearing a crop top and some sort 230 00:11:51,934 --> 00:11:55,454 Speaker 1: of low rise pants. But there is something about the 231 00:11:55,534 --> 00:11:59,694 Speaker 1: outlets who broke the news first. How calculated do you 232 00:11:59,774 --> 00:12:04,854 Speaker 1: think this being out wearing a crop top and exposing 233 00:12:04,854 --> 00:12:07,774 Speaker 1: said potential baby bump is with the outlets who chose 234 00:12:07,814 --> 00:12:08,974 Speaker 1: to report on it first. 235 00:12:10,694 --> 00:12:12,814 Speaker 2: Yeah, Magarrob is an interesting one because I think there 236 00:12:12,814 --> 00:12:15,254 Speaker 2: are some celebrities who have a huge level of fame 237 00:12:15,334 --> 00:12:18,334 Speaker 2: like her, but she doesn't have any active social media accounts. 238 00:12:18,654 --> 00:12:20,894 Speaker 2: She is not in the business of sharing a lot 239 00:12:20,894 --> 00:12:24,254 Speaker 2: of her personal details or releasing press statements. So there 240 00:12:24,254 --> 00:12:26,614 Speaker 2: would have been a conversation I'm sure behind closed doors 241 00:12:26,654 --> 00:12:28,894 Speaker 2: with her and her team, because once you that level 242 00:12:28,894 --> 00:12:32,374 Speaker 2: of fame, there's always a team involved of how to 243 00:12:32,414 --> 00:12:36,054 Speaker 2: share this news, and even just deciding to walk outside 244 00:12:36,174 --> 00:12:39,254 Speaker 2: and have the photographs taken is a real choice. So 245 00:12:39,774 --> 00:12:41,854 Speaker 2: it looks kind of from the outside that there with 246 00:12:42,374 --> 00:12:45,694 Speaker 2: public location, there somewhere in Italy that is known to 247 00:12:45,734 --> 00:12:47,854 Speaker 2: be a lot of paparazzis. There's a lot of celebrities 248 00:12:47,894 --> 00:12:51,294 Speaker 2: in that area, and making a choice to walk outside 249 00:12:51,734 --> 00:12:54,454 Speaker 2: with a potential baby bump on display is a way 250 00:12:54,494 --> 00:12:56,854 Speaker 2: to sort of just let the news go out there 251 00:12:56,894 --> 00:12:59,614 Speaker 2: without having to make a statement, and then there would 252 00:12:59,614 --> 00:13:01,654 Speaker 2: have been a big conversation. A lot of different newsrooms 253 00:13:01,694 --> 00:13:03,414 Speaker 2: are I can how to handle that. But what was 254 00:13:03,454 --> 00:13:06,814 Speaker 2: interesting was that let's like People magazine, who are no 255 00:13:06,894 --> 00:13:10,574 Speaker 2: one for having a lot of contact within different celebrity cams, 256 00:13:10,574 --> 00:13:13,174 Speaker 2: and they usually reach out and confirm, so they run 257 00:13:13,214 --> 00:13:16,934 Speaker 2: a story and say Margot Robbie is pregnant, and without 258 00:13:17,054 --> 00:13:19,534 Speaker 2: just relying on the photos, if they run the story straight, 259 00:13:19,654 --> 00:13:22,814 Speaker 2: it makes us think that that information was passed on 260 00:13:22,894 --> 00:13:25,094 Speaker 2: to them so that they can confirm it. And then 261 00:13:25,134 --> 00:13:28,294 Speaker 2: also outlets, say Vogue Magazine were running the story, and 262 00:13:28,334 --> 00:13:31,014 Speaker 2: that's an outlet and a publication that Margot Robbie has 263 00:13:31,054 --> 00:13:34,454 Speaker 2: had a really long relationship with, and so it is 264 00:13:34,534 --> 00:13:37,334 Speaker 2: kind of thought that behind the scenes that information was 265 00:13:37,414 --> 00:13:40,614 Speaker 2: confirmed to them. But if Margot Robbie and her team 266 00:13:40,654 --> 00:13:42,774 Speaker 2: were to put out a statement or release photos, and 267 00:13:42,814 --> 00:13:45,174 Speaker 2: they're putting it so much more in the public eye. 268 00:13:45,374 --> 00:13:46,654 Speaker 2: So this is a way for them to get the 269 00:13:46,694 --> 00:13:49,934 Speaker 2: story out there but not be completely linked to an announcement. 270 00:13:50,734 --> 00:13:53,454 Speaker 1: Can we compare that, then to the other instance this 271 00:13:53,494 --> 00:13:56,574 Speaker 1: week of Vanessa Hudgens, who was snapped leaving hospital in 272 00:13:56,574 --> 00:13:59,734 Speaker 1: a wheelchair. Her husband's next to her, she's holding her 273 00:13:59,734 --> 00:14:03,454 Speaker 1: baby in her arms. That doesn't look the same as 274 00:14:03,854 --> 00:14:05,574 Speaker 1: what Margot Robbie just experienced. 275 00:14:06,814 --> 00:14:09,934 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that feels like a completely different situation, just 276 00:14:10,014 --> 00:14:13,134 Speaker 2: because you can often tell where celebrity photos if they're 277 00:14:13,174 --> 00:14:17,054 Speaker 2: sometimes aware that they're in an area where paparazzi frequent, 278 00:14:17,134 --> 00:14:18,694 Speaker 2: or if they're an area where they're going for their 279 00:14:18,734 --> 00:14:22,174 Speaker 2: photos taken and they decided that whatever they're putting out there, 280 00:14:22,214 --> 00:14:23,934 Speaker 2: and so in the case of Marga, rob Issue must 281 00:14:23,974 --> 00:14:25,454 Speaker 2: have been happy for the world to know, because she 282 00:14:25,494 --> 00:14:27,894 Speaker 2: would have known those photos when they go everywhere. The 283 00:14:27,894 --> 00:14:31,374 Speaker 2: hospital situation with Finessa Hudgens is one of those cases 284 00:14:31,374 --> 00:14:34,454 Speaker 2: where paparazzi would have been watching the hospital because they 285 00:14:34,534 --> 00:14:37,294 Speaker 2: knew there was a potential that either they've been tipped 286 00:14:37,294 --> 00:14:39,054 Speaker 2: off that she was in there or they knew she 287 00:14:39,134 --> 00:14:41,854 Speaker 2: was coming out that day, and so it's more kind 288 00:14:41,854 --> 00:14:44,814 Speaker 2: of like a hunting someone down in a vulnerable moment. 289 00:14:45,094 --> 00:14:47,494 Speaker 2: And the issue there is that there are still a 290 00:14:47,494 --> 00:14:50,734 Speaker 2: lot of outlets who will publish those photos, and so 291 00:14:50,934 --> 00:14:54,134 Speaker 2: even though everyone agrees it is this kind of very 292 00:14:54,174 --> 00:14:57,494 Speaker 2: huge invasion of privacy. Technically, because it was taken with 293 00:14:57,534 --> 00:15:00,534 Speaker 2: a long angled lens, the photos are allowed to be published. 294 00:15:00,654 --> 00:15:03,934 Speaker 2: And even though there are some publications who still abide 295 00:15:03,934 --> 00:15:06,614 Speaker 2: by their no child policy, there's a lot of publications 296 00:15:07,054 --> 00:15:09,894 Speaker 2: like TAMZ who will still run those photos. So there's 297 00:15:09,934 --> 00:15:11,974 Speaker 2: kind of no legal leg for them to stand on 298 00:15:12,054 --> 00:15:13,454 Speaker 2: with those photos you made public. 299 00:15:14,014 --> 00:15:15,814 Speaker 1: So what is always said about this is if we 300 00:15:15,894 --> 00:15:18,574 Speaker 1: didn't consume it, they wouldn't take it. So as long 301 00:15:18,614 --> 00:15:20,814 Speaker 1: as we consume that's going to continue, right. 302 00:15:21,494 --> 00:15:23,614 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. I mean there's always going to be a 303 00:15:23,614 --> 00:15:25,894 Speaker 2: market for it. And there was a moment so many 304 00:15:25,894 --> 00:15:30,214 Speaker 2: publications stopped publishing these photos, and that was that everyone 305 00:15:30,254 --> 00:15:32,854 Speaker 2: did think that was going to kill the child paparazzi economy. 306 00:15:33,134 --> 00:15:35,374 Speaker 2: But with the way we share content now across social 307 00:15:35,454 --> 00:15:38,614 Speaker 2: media and TikTok and and different outlets, you really only 308 00:15:38,654 --> 00:15:42,254 Speaker 2: need one publication to buy and distribute the photos. Once 309 00:15:42,334 --> 00:15:45,614 Speaker 2: upon a time you kind of need multiple magazines to 310 00:15:45,654 --> 00:15:48,254 Speaker 2: be part of this industry, But now may these photos 311 00:15:48,254 --> 00:15:51,334 Speaker 2: can take off if just one publication decides to publish them. 312 00:15:53,414 --> 00:15:55,214 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking some time to feed your mind with 313 00:15:55,294 --> 00:15:57,414 Speaker 1: us today, friends. If you want to catch more of Laura, 314 00:15:57,494 --> 00:16:00,054 Speaker 1: you can tune into The Spill, our daily entertainment show 315 00:16:00,054 --> 00:16:02,814 Speaker 1: here on the Muma mea network wherever you get your podcasts. 316 00:16:03,414 --> 00:16:06,134 Speaker 1: The Quikie is produced by me Claire Murphy and our 317 00:16:06,174 --> 00:16:09,494 Speaker 1: senior producer Taylorstrano, with audio production by Jacob Brown.