1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,024 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mama Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,304 --> 00:00:28,104 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 5 00:00:28,144 --> 00:00:31,664 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brudnick. And 6 00:00:31,744 --> 00:00:34,864 Speaker 2: on the show today, there's a lot to unpack about 7 00:00:34,904 --> 00:00:39,104 Speaker 2: everything that's happened following rapper Sean Combe's also known as 8 00:00:39,184 --> 00:00:40,264 Speaker 2: P Diddy's arrest. 9 00:00:40,704 --> 00:00:44,664 Speaker 1: But first, but first, some I guess exciting movie casting 10 00:00:44,704 --> 00:00:46,264 Speaker 1: news to break up what's been a bit of a 11 00:00:46,304 --> 00:00:48,944 Speaker 1: week of bleak news in the celebrity world. And that 12 00:00:49,064 --> 00:00:52,704 Speaker 1: is the fact that one Reese Witherspoon has posted to 13 00:00:52,744 --> 00:00:55,264 Speaker 1: her social account saying that she is opening up the 14 00:00:55,304 --> 00:00:58,744 Speaker 1: casting call for someone to play el Woods in the 15 00:00:58,824 --> 00:01:00,944 Speaker 1: upcoming Legally Blonde prequel. 16 00:01:01,184 --> 00:01:03,584 Speaker 2: So they're not going to go for a celebrity, like 17 00:01:03,624 --> 00:01:04,584 Speaker 2: a well known celebrity. 18 00:01:04,704 --> 00:01:07,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I thought was quite interesting because, like infamously, 19 00:01:07,744 --> 00:01:10,744 Speaker 1: the story around the casting of Reese with Us for 20 00:01:10,784 --> 00:01:13,464 Speaker 1: the original Legally Blonde movie, like that was a big 21 00:01:13,504 --> 00:01:16,744 Speaker 1: hot ticket in town, so many actresses wanted it. They 22 00:01:16,864 --> 00:01:19,664 Speaker 1: infamously offered it to Christina Applegate, who was the big 23 00:01:19,704 --> 00:01:23,024 Speaker 1: blonde comedy actress, reigning queen of comedy in Hollywood at 24 00:01:23,064 --> 00:01:25,304 Speaker 1: that time. She ended up turning it down because she 25 00:01:25,304 --> 00:01:27,744 Speaker 1: didn't want to be type cast, which sounds silly now, 26 00:01:27,784 --> 00:01:30,544 Speaker 1: but movies can go either way. Reese with a Spoon 27 00:01:30,704 --> 00:01:33,264 Speaker 1: allegedly like really chased down the role and really saw 28 00:01:33,304 --> 00:01:36,024 Speaker 1: it as a great business opportunity, showy business minded gal 29 00:01:36,464 --> 00:01:39,584 Speaker 1: and like Elwood, Yes exactly, she and Elwood's one person. 30 00:01:40,024 --> 00:01:43,184 Speaker 1: And so that obviously really launched her career into like 31 00:01:43,224 --> 00:01:45,864 Speaker 1: a whole different strata spheres like these big comedy movies. 32 00:01:46,304 --> 00:01:48,744 Speaker 1: And when it was announced that Reese with a Spoon 33 00:01:48,744 --> 00:01:51,144 Speaker 1: Whenben she went on stage in her legally blond outfit 34 00:01:51,584 --> 00:01:54,224 Speaker 1: earlier this year to announce the prequel, Yeah, and I 35 00:01:54,264 --> 00:01:56,224 Speaker 1: was like that girl, so she's all in, she's all 36 00:01:56,264 --> 00:01:57,064 Speaker 1: about business. 37 00:01:57,464 --> 00:02:00,584 Speaker 2: I was kind of nervous that because of the whole 38 00:02:00,744 --> 00:02:02,304 Speaker 2: nepotism stuff that's happening around. 39 00:02:02,424 --> 00:02:02,624 Speaker 1: Yeah. 40 00:02:02,624 --> 00:02:04,504 Speaker 2: I thought she was gonna be like Ava, it's for you. 41 00:02:04,704 --> 00:02:06,544 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, her daughter does look exactly like her, 42 00:02:06,664 --> 00:02:09,024 Speaker 1: but I guess she hasn't really done much acting, so 43 00:02:09,304 --> 00:02:11,104 Speaker 1: you know, that would be a big sweet My son 44 00:02:11,184 --> 00:02:16,224 Speaker 1: however has Yes, well he's a musician. Yes, he's got 45 00:02:16,224 --> 00:02:19,664 Speaker 1: another Romeo Beckham. No, he was in an episode of 46 00:02:20,384 --> 00:02:23,184 Speaker 1: Never Have I Ever. Yes, he does a bit of acting, 47 00:02:23,544 --> 00:02:25,384 Speaker 1: so I mean maybe he'll maybe he'll be in this 48 00:02:25,544 --> 00:02:27,744 Speaker 1: prequel film. But what we do know is that Reese 49 00:02:27,744 --> 00:02:29,944 Speaker 1: with Haspoon said they're opening up casting, which I think 50 00:02:29,984 --> 00:02:32,464 Speaker 1: is interesting because like so much is going to hinge 51 00:02:32,664 --> 00:02:36,384 Speaker 1: on finding the right actress for that role. And I 52 00:02:36,424 --> 00:02:38,544 Speaker 1: guess it's like very open minded of her to say, like, 53 00:02:38,864 --> 00:02:40,784 Speaker 1: we're not just going to go through the usual like 54 00:02:41,064 --> 00:02:43,424 Speaker 1: other NEPO babies in Hollywood or people that are coming 55 00:02:43,464 --> 00:02:45,744 Speaker 1: off series. We're going to really open it up and 56 00:02:45,784 --> 00:02:48,064 Speaker 1: see everybody. And like I guess sometimes it's how you 57 00:02:48,064 --> 00:02:50,784 Speaker 1: find the right people for these roles. Like it's very extensive, 58 00:02:50,984 --> 00:02:51,464 Speaker 1: but in my. 59 00:02:51,544 --> 00:02:54,064 Speaker 2: I'm on board. Minnie Kayling does that quite often with 60 00:02:54,104 --> 00:02:56,184 Speaker 2: her and it's like always works out. 61 00:02:56,344 --> 00:02:58,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you want to present an audition tape in 62 00:02:59,624 --> 00:03:03,624 Speaker 1: I would going to be writing it still Apparently yes, 63 00:03:03,624 --> 00:03:04,584 Speaker 1: apparently they're involved. 64 00:03:04,664 --> 00:03:05,504 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to audition. 65 00:03:05,744 --> 00:03:08,104 Speaker 1: Okay, well look out fans' audition for Legally Blond to 66 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:13,304 Speaker 1: the prequel, So even more information has come out about 67 00:03:13,384 --> 00:03:17,704 Speaker 1: the arrest and upcoming trial of musician Sean Combs, also 68 00:03:17,904 --> 00:03:20,464 Speaker 1: known as Puff Daddy, also known as p Diddy, A 69 00:03:20,504 --> 00:03:21,384 Speaker 1: man of many names. 70 00:03:21,504 --> 00:03:23,784 Speaker 2: A lot of years did he he's got them all. 71 00:03:23,784 --> 00:03:25,424 Speaker 1: Exactly, which used to be kind of a fun thing 72 00:03:25,464 --> 00:03:27,664 Speaker 1: to say. But obviously everything that's come out in the 73 00:03:27,744 --> 00:03:30,424 Speaker 1: last well recently, but over the last year or so, 74 00:03:30,584 --> 00:03:32,904 Speaker 1: I think, has really stout any kind of memories we 75 00:03:32,984 --> 00:03:35,584 Speaker 1: have of his height, of his fame days, or his 76 00:03:35,664 --> 00:03:36,544 Speaker 1: music or anything like that. 77 00:03:36,624 --> 00:03:38,104 Speaker 2: Are we sticking to Sean Combs? 78 00:03:38,184 --> 00:03:41,184 Speaker 1: I think so let's call him Shure. Yeah. Yeah, it 79 00:03:41,184 --> 00:03:44,024 Speaker 1: feels weird colim PDD this stage of the game. So 80 00:03:44,424 --> 00:03:47,744 Speaker 1: he was taken into custody in New York on September sixteen, 81 00:03:48,144 --> 00:03:50,984 Speaker 1: following a lot of reports of what was about to 82 00:03:50,984 --> 00:03:54,144 Speaker 1: come out, also following the release of a video that 83 00:03:54,264 --> 00:03:56,624 Speaker 1: came out this year, a really brutal video that made 84 00:03:56,664 --> 00:04:00,584 Speaker 1: its way around the Internet that showed him attacking singer Cassie, 85 00:04:00,624 --> 00:04:03,464 Speaker 1: who was his partner at the time, and that video 86 00:04:03,504 --> 00:04:06,024 Speaker 1: just went everywhere. Cassie's team spoke out about it and 87 00:04:06,104 --> 00:04:08,584 Speaker 1: basically said like, thank you for the support. Unfortunately, the 88 00:04:08,664 --> 00:04:11,904 Speaker 1: Statute of limitations for pressing child around that video had 89 00:04:11,984 --> 00:04:14,544 Speaker 1: already passed, but that was kind of like the big 90 00:04:14,584 --> 00:04:17,864 Speaker 1: thing that Sean Colmbs couldn't turn back from because people 91 00:04:17,984 --> 00:04:20,824 Speaker 1: watched that video and saw with their own eyes the 92 00:04:20,824 --> 00:04:23,264 Speaker 1: brutality of it. And even though he put up that 93 00:04:23,304 --> 00:04:25,624 Speaker 1: you know, you put that Instagram video being like, you know, 94 00:04:25,624 --> 00:04:26,824 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for what I did in the past. 95 00:04:26,824 --> 00:04:30,024 Speaker 1: I'm a different person now I've done the work. Obviously 96 00:04:30,264 --> 00:04:32,424 Speaker 1: was not enough to turn the court of public opinion 97 00:04:32,504 --> 00:04:35,344 Speaker 1: back in his favor, and so then this arrest happened 98 00:04:35,384 --> 00:04:39,504 Speaker 1: on September sixteen. The next day, a fourteen page document 99 00:04:39,624 --> 00:04:43,264 Speaker 1: came out with a whole range of allegations against Seawan Combe, 100 00:04:43,504 --> 00:04:46,704 Speaker 1: including that he abused, threatened, and coerced women and others 101 00:04:46,704 --> 00:04:49,944 Speaker 1: around him or made public. There were pretty extensive charges 102 00:04:49,944 --> 00:04:52,224 Speaker 1: in there of things he's done. He then went on 103 00:04:52,304 --> 00:04:55,264 Speaker 1: to enter a plea of not guilty against the charges 104 00:04:55,384 --> 00:05:00,504 Speaker 1: of racketeering, conspiracy, sex trafficking by force, fraud or coercion, 105 00:05:00,584 --> 00:05:04,504 Speaker 1: and the transportation to engauge in prostitutions. So a real 106 00:05:04,624 --> 00:05:08,824 Speaker 1: raft of very very serious allegations there. He did try 107 00:05:08,904 --> 00:05:11,584 Speaker 1: and post bail on September seventeenth, and I think the 108 00:05:11,624 --> 00:05:13,704 Speaker 1: thinking from his team, reading between the lines of like 109 00:05:13,784 --> 00:05:16,664 Speaker 1: interview they've done and court papers that have come out, 110 00:05:16,664 --> 00:05:18,384 Speaker 1: that they really thought he was going to get bail, 111 00:05:18,504 --> 00:05:21,144 Speaker 1: knowing how famous he is and the resources that he has, 112 00:05:21,784 --> 00:05:24,504 Speaker 1: and I think judging from interviews that his team have 113 00:05:24,624 --> 00:05:27,344 Speaker 1: given about you know, his standing and how famous he is, 114 00:05:27,384 --> 00:05:28,944 Speaker 1: and the fact that he's got you know, family and 115 00:05:29,024 --> 00:05:31,224 Speaker 1: kids and resources, they thought that he was going to 116 00:05:31,264 --> 00:05:33,264 Speaker 1: be able to post bail and sort of return to 117 00:05:33,304 --> 00:05:33,744 Speaker 1: his home. 118 00:05:34,104 --> 00:05:36,824 Speaker 2: I remember reading that it said his bail was like 119 00:05:37,304 --> 00:05:40,624 Speaker 2: fifty million US dollars and it was rejected. 120 00:05:41,064 --> 00:05:43,384 Speaker 1: Yes, they basically said, there is no amount of money 121 00:05:43,424 --> 00:05:46,264 Speaker 1: that's letting you out of here. I'm paraphrasing for the judge. 122 00:05:46,264 --> 00:05:49,304 Speaker 2: I'm like, good, Yeah, good, because what you get bail 123 00:05:49,304 --> 00:05:50,424 Speaker 2: and then you're just like at. 124 00:05:50,264 --> 00:05:53,784 Speaker 1: Home, yes, and your multimillion dollar mansion. Well, I think, 125 00:05:53,824 --> 00:05:55,584 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we kind of you don't get into 126 00:05:55,824 --> 00:05:58,824 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories of why they wouldn't let him, although it's 127 00:05:58,824 --> 00:06:01,144 Speaker 1: pretty clear they thought he was a massive flight risk 128 00:06:01,264 --> 00:06:04,424 Speaker 1: given the resources he has, but also looking at the 129 00:06:04,464 --> 00:06:07,544 Speaker 1: court document and all the different allegations against him, if 130 00:06:07,544 --> 00:06:11,584 Speaker 1: he's convicted on every charge, he faces just a minimum 131 00:06:11,624 --> 00:06:15,464 Speaker 1: of fifteen years in prison, but most likely Yeah, did 132 00:06:15,464 --> 00:06:16,864 Speaker 1: you not listen to the list of charges I just 133 00:06:16,864 --> 00:06:18,024 Speaker 1: turned out it's pretty intense. 134 00:06:18,184 --> 00:06:19,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, but only fifteen years. 135 00:06:19,664 --> 00:06:21,504 Speaker 1: Well with pot well that's if he's convict on them. 136 00:06:21,504 --> 00:06:23,984 Speaker 1: But there's a huge possibility of also a life sentence, 137 00:06:24,424 --> 00:06:28,104 Speaker 1: which is the more likely thing, but also could be 138 00:06:28,224 --> 00:06:31,024 Speaker 1: like kind of at least fifteen years. So they're obviously 139 00:06:31,024 --> 00:06:33,184 Speaker 1: they're thinking like, if this man thinks that he is 140 00:06:33,224 --> 00:06:35,424 Speaker 1: facing a lifetime in prison, would he just leave? That's 141 00:06:35,424 --> 00:06:38,144 Speaker 1: why they've held him in custody. So all of that 142 00:06:38,184 --> 00:06:40,184 Speaker 1: has blown up, and then a lot of images and 143 00:06:40,344 --> 00:06:44,224 Speaker 1: videos information were also released about the items that were 144 00:06:44,264 --> 00:06:47,224 Speaker 1: seized from his home during a raid in March that happened, 145 00:06:47,224 --> 00:06:49,024 Speaker 1: and all that information came out, and I think. 146 00:06:48,904 --> 00:06:51,304 Speaker 2: I saw something about like thousands of bottles of lube 147 00:06:51,304 --> 00:06:52,104 Speaker 2: and baby oil. 148 00:06:52,544 --> 00:06:54,144 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it was probably quite a 149 00:06:54,184 --> 00:06:56,144 Speaker 1: few things in there. But also that's the one thing 150 00:06:56,184 --> 00:06:58,824 Speaker 1: that a lot of different celebrities have somehow been joking about. 151 00:06:58,944 --> 00:07:01,624 Speaker 1: So fifty Cent put up a social media post saying 152 00:07:01,784 --> 00:07:03,904 Speaker 1: I'm going on the Drew Barrymore Show and I can't 153 00:07:03,944 --> 00:07:05,744 Speaker 1: believe I don't have a thousand bottles of Loube at 154 00:07:05,784 --> 00:07:08,184 Speaker 1: the house. And everyone was like, it feels like a 155 00:07:08,184 --> 00:07:10,304 Speaker 1: weird joke to me, making off the back of Homeland 156 00:07:10,424 --> 00:07:13,104 Speaker 1: Security and the amount of stuff that they seized from 157 00:07:13,184 --> 00:07:15,264 Speaker 1: Ditty's home. And I think that's something that a lot 158 00:07:15,264 --> 00:07:17,864 Speaker 1: of people are waiting for because so many celebrities have 159 00:07:17,904 --> 00:07:19,624 Speaker 1: been in his orbit, A lot of people are waiting 160 00:07:19,664 --> 00:07:23,824 Speaker 1: for different celebrities to weigh in on what's happened. I 161 00:07:23,824 --> 00:07:26,024 Speaker 1: guess they can't come forward and say I know he 162 00:07:26,104 --> 00:07:27,544 Speaker 1: did this, or I know he did that or anything 163 00:07:27,584 --> 00:07:29,584 Speaker 1: like that. But you know, you've had someone like wild 164 00:07:29,584 --> 00:07:32,304 Speaker 1: Bee Goldberg say that it was really extensive and disturbing 165 00:07:32,304 --> 00:07:35,024 Speaker 1: and that we need to pay attention to it. Obviously Kesho, 166 00:07:35,064 --> 00:07:36,944 Speaker 1: who kind of rose to fame with a song about 167 00:07:37,264 --> 00:07:40,064 Speaker 1: what he did in the morning feeling like he did Yes, 168 00:07:40,064 --> 00:07:42,584 Speaker 1: well she's changed it now to wake up for them. Yeah, 169 00:07:42,584 --> 00:07:44,584 Speaker 1: and she put up and after all this information came out, 170 00:07:44,584 --> 00:07:47,464 Speaker 1: she put up a TikTok with those song lyrics coming 171 00:07:47,504 --> 00:07:50,264 Speaker 1: out about it. But the thing that everyone's really wanting, 172 00:07:50,344 --> 00:07:52,544 Speaker 1: I guess more information on in wanting more celebrities to 173 00:07:52,584 --> 00:07:54,664 Speaker 1: come out and talk about even if they're not aware 174 00:07:54,704 --> 00:07:57,744 Speaker 1: of the extent of some of the allegations like sex 175 00:07:57,784 --> 00:07:59,784 Speaker 1: trafficking and all those things that you would assume would 176 00:07:59,824 --> 00:08:02,464 Speaker 1: be happening well behind the scenes of his famous friends. 177 00:08:02,944 --> 00:08:05,944 Speaker 1: Is that for a really long time, Sean Combs was 178 00:08:06,024 --> 00:08:10,264 Speaker 1: known for these very infamous wild Hollywood parties, these white parties, 179 00:08:10,584 --> 00:08:13,064 Speaker 1: parties he would throw in his own home in La 180 00:08:13,264 --> 00:08:15,184 Speaker 1: And for a long time that was real kind of 181 00:08:15,264 --> 00:08:17,904 Speaker 1: bad juanna with celebrities about being invited to these parties, 182 00:08:18,224 --> 00:08:21,344 Speaker 1: getting to be in the inner circle. They were very infamous. 183 00:08:21,384 --> 00:08:23,944 Speaker 1: There were photos taken outside with like a press line, 184 00:08:23,944 --> 00:08:26,864 Speaker 1: but like very little information about what happened inside. But 185 00:08:26,984 --> 00:08:29,984 Speaker 1: since these allegations have come out, and since some information 186 00:08:30,104 --> 00:08:32,784 Speaker 1: the documents talk about what has happened at some of 187 00:08:32,824 --> 00:08:36,144 Speaker 1: his parties, people are really deciding to uncover more about 188 00:08:36,304 --> 00:08:38,704 Speaker 1: these very infamous celebrity get togethers. 189 00:08:40,704 --> 00:08:43,984 Speaker 2: As someone who isn't fully across all the allegations against 190 00:08:44,064 --> 00:08:46,904 Speaker 2: him and his arrest, the one thing that I see everywhere, 191 00:08:46,944 --> 00:08:51,464 Speaker 2: which I'm sure everyone's seeing, are these huge group shots 192 00:08:51,504 --> 00:08:56,184 Speaker 2: of these A list celebrities at Sewan Comb's parties. He 193 00:08:56,344 --> 00:08:58,904 Speaker 2: called them white parties. But then I also read that 194 00:08:59,264 --> 00:09:02,584 Speaker 2: he also called them freak off parties, where it's been 195 00:09:02,624 --> 00:09:06,304 Speaker 2: alleged that he would direct orgies and kind of masturbate 196 00:09:06,344 --> 00:09:06,704 Speaker 2: to them. 197 00:09:06,864 --> 00:09:08,144 Speaker 1: I think there's a bit of a line on the 198 00:09:08,144 --> 00:09:10,344 Speaker 1: stand between these two gatherings. I think the white part 199 00:09:10,384 --> 00:09:13,104 Speaker 1: party was one that was held in the Hamptons and 200 00:09:13,344 --> 00:09:16,264 Speaker 1: it ran from nineteen ninety eight through to two thousand 201 00:09:16,304 --> 00:09:19,104 Speaker 1: and nine. And the idea of everyone wearing white is 202 00:09:19,104 --> 00:09:20,744 Speaker 1: that they were all on the same level. And he 203 00:09:20,784 --> 00:09:23,344 Speaker 1: also did interviews where people would say to him, do 204 00:09:23,424 --> 00:09:25,824 Speaker 1: you think that you're like a modern day Gatsby in 205 00:09:25,904 --> 00:09:28,104 Speaker 1: terms of like being the center of all these parties 206 00:09:28,144 --> 00:09:30,584 Speaker 1: and throwing these opulent events, And he was like, I'm 207 00:09:30,664 --> 00:09:33,864 Speaker 1: not trying to be Gatsby. I am Gatsby and so. 208 00:09:34,024 --> 00:09:36,224 Speaker 1: And his reasoning too, is that he invited like a 209 00:09:36,224 --> 00:09:38,104 Speaker 1: lot of friends and people that he grew up with, 210 00:09:38,144 --> 00:09:40,704 Speaker 1: so look just like I guess quote unquote ordinary people, 211 00:09:41,024 --> 00:09:43,384 Speaker 1: people who weren't involved in the celebrity world. And then 212 00:09:43,464 --> 00:09:45,824 Speaker 1: he would invite all of these celebrities. And his idea 213 00:09:45,944 --> 00:09:48,144 Speaker 1: was like, you have all these people from different worlds 214 00:09:48,144 --> 00:09:50,664 Speaker 1: coming together for this elaborate party that would sometimes go 215 00:09:50,744 --> 00:09:53,144 Speaker 1: for days. So they were always talked about about these 216 00:09:53,224 --> 00:09:54,904 Speaker 1: huge things. And you would have celebrities like when he 217 00:09:54,904 --> 00:09:56,864 Speaker 1: and Jennifhi Lopez were together, she would kind of co 218 00:09:56,944 --> 00:09:59,824 Speaker 1: host them. You would have like Sarah Jessica Parker would attend, 219 00:09:59,984 --> 00:10:03,184 Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio, pretty much any celebrity names a Shuldin Kutcha, which 220 00:10:03,184 --> 00:10:04,744 Speaker 1: we'll get to because he's really been thrown under the 221 00:10:04,784 --> 00:10:07,784 Speaker 1: bus with this, and even like the Kardashians have spoken 222 00:10:07,824 --> 00:10:10,544 Speaker 1: quite extensively about attending these parties. 223 00:10:10,384 --> 00:10:14,024 Speaker 2: Yeah, so who was with you this weekend? A bunch 224 00:10:14,024 --> 00:10:21,784 Speaker 2: of my friends, Diddy, Quincy, Justin Bieber so Far Montana. 225 00:10:22,904 --> 00:10:26,424 Speaker 2: You know half the people you're naming. No, she didn't 226 00:10:26,424 --> 00:10:26,984 Speaker 2: go to bed. 227 00:10:28,344 --> 00:10:30,904 Speaker 1: I opened a bed yet you haven't. I want to 228 00:10:30,904 --> 00:10:33,064 Speaker 1: be Chloe when I grew up, or I got on. 229 00:10:33,024 --> 00:10:37,704 Speaker 2: A plane at five thirty am called this party. 230 00:10:38,384 --> 00:10:40,264 Speaker 1: I think half the people there were butt naked. 231 00:10:40,544 --> 00:10:41,384 Speaker 2: You would have loved it. 232 00:10:42,064 --> 00:10:44,544 Speaker 1: So that clip has started to go viral now after 233 00:10:44,584 --> 00:10:48,384 Speaker 1: it resurfaced, and it shows Chloe Kardashian talking about attending 234 00:10:48,624 --> 00:10:51,144 Speaker 1: Seawan Comb's parties. I think they even did an interview 235 00:10:51,184 --> 00:10:54,464 Speaker 1: together at some stage where they were talking about how 236 00:10:54,464 --> 00:10:57,144 Speaker 1: wild his parties were. So everyone's kind of looking towards 237 00:10:57,224 --> 00:11:00,504 Speaker 1: them now since that clip has resurfaced. So the parties 238 00:11:00,544 --> 00:11:02,904 Speaker 1: then stopped after two thousand and nine, and Shawn Cromes 239 00:11:02,904 --> 00:11:05,304 Speaker 1: gave a few different interviews at the time and were 240 00:11:05,344 --> 00:11:07,944 Speaker 1: saying that basically he wasn't allowed to have permits. People 241 00:11:08,024 --> 00:11:10,024 Speaker 1: in the area where he was holding the parties were 242 00:11:10,104 --> 00:11:14,184 Speaker 1: very against them. And then he infamously said this quote, 243 00:11:14,184 --> 00:11:18,064 Speaker 1: which is also really resurfaced given everything has happened. He said, 244 00:11:18,144 --> 00:11:19,824 Speaker 1: you're going to hear about my parties. They're going to 245 00:11:19,824 --> 00:11:22,264 Speaker 1: be shutting them down. They'd probably be arresting me doing 246 00:11:22,304 --> 00:11:24,824 Speaker 1: all types of crazy things just because we want to 247 00:11:24,864 --> 00:11:27,584 Speaker 1: have a good time. Whenever you bring up different elements 248 00:11:27,584 --> 00:11:30,864 Speaker 1: into people's entertainments, you have things that broaden horizons and 249 00:11:30,864 --> 00:11:33,544 Speaker 1: people get intimidated. Oh my god. 250 00:11:33,624 --> 00:11:36,104 Speaker 2: So he kind of knew, like first, he knew what 251 00:11:36,144 --> 00:11:38,504 Speaker 2: he was doing was wrong, and he kind of predicted 252 00:11:38,544 --> 00:11:39,304 Speaker 2: what was going to happen. 253 00:11:39,384 --> 00:11:41,064 Speaker 1: Well, I think there's a few different things. I think 254 00:11:41,064 --> 00:11:43,344 Speaker 1: because he's saying that in these national papers, what he 255 00:11:43,384 --> 00:11:44,984 Speaker 1: was alluding to, and I think what he wanted people 256 00:11:44,984 --> 00:11:46,544 Speaker 1: to be across is more so that he was throwing 257 00:11:46,624 --> 00:11:49,384 Speaker 1: these big, elaborate parties and people were complaining about having 258 00:11:49,384 --> 00:11:52,224 Speaker 1: a thousand people attend all the noise or having permits 259 00:11:52,264 --> 00:11:54,104 Speaker 1: for because lunch of a thousand people at a party, 260 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:55,664 Speaker 1: that's you know, you need to have all these different 261 00:11:56,264 --> 00:11:58,984 Speaker 1: allowances and permits and things. So I don't think he 262 00:11:58,984 --> 00:12:00,464 Speaker 1: was alluding to the stuff that was going He was 263 00:12:00,464 --> 00:12:02,304 Speaker 1: trying to make them seem like these kind of off 264 00:12:02,344 --> 00:12:04,664 Speaker 1: the hook events where people were just having so much 265 00:12:04,664 --> 00:12:07,504 Speaker 1: fun that other people couldn't understand it. But what we're 266 00:12:07,504 --> 00:12:10,344 Speaker 1: seeing now in the court papers is that there's all 267 00:12:10,344 --> 00:12:13,904 Speaker 1: all these allegations that he would have these things called 268 00:12:14,144 --> 00:12:16,784 Speaker 1: freak cough parties what you're talking about before. And I 269 00:12:16,824 --> 00:12:19,584 Speaker 1: think these are very separate to the front facing white 270 00:12:19,624 --> 00:12:21,504 Speaker 1: parties where all the slubs are walking around in their 271 00:12:21,544 --> 00:12:22,384 Speaker 1: white outfits and beings. 272 00:12:22,384 --> 00:12:24,784 Speaker 2: So were these freak off parties happening behind the scenes 273 00:12:24,784 --> 00:12:27,304 Speaker 2: of the white parties or was it a separate event altogether. 274 00:12:27,424 --> 00:12:29,544 Speaker 1: It's hard to say because they haven't exactly named them 275 00:12:29,664 --> 00:12:31,784 Speaker 1: in terms of like, did this like flow on directly 276 00:12:31,824 --> 00:12:33,864 Speaker 1: from the white parties? I mean potentially because they would 277 00:12:33,904 --> 00:12:35,904 Speaker 1: go for days. But I couldn't see anything in the 278 00:12:35,904 --> 00:12:37,904 Speaker 1: court documents that have been made public that say that 279 00:12:37,944 --> 00:12:40,304 Speaker 1: they were kind of like specifically linked on the same 280 00:12:40,344 --> 00:12:42,704 Speaker 1: day or anything. What they have said, and what like 281 00:12:42,744 --> 00:12:44,864 Speaker 1: a few different people have come forward and said, is 282 00:12:44,904 --> 00:12:49,064 Speaker 1: that these free Cough parties, it's alleged that Sean Combs 283 00:12:49,104 --> 00:12:52,064 Speaker 1: forced women to take part in sex performances at these 284 00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:55,344 Speaker 1: parties that he would often film. So basically in the 285 00:12:55,384 --> 00:12:58,384 Speaker 1: court papers, a witness has said Free Coffs were elaborate 286 00:12:58,424 --> 00:13:03,384 Speaker 1: and produced sex performances that Shawn Combs arranged, directed, masturbated during, 287 00:13:03,544 --> 00:13:07,864 Speaker 1: and also often electronically recorded. And then a witness has 288 00:13:07,944 --> 00:13:11,264 Speaker 1: said that really weird shit started to have and there 289 00:13:11,264 --> 00:13:14,144 Speaker 1: were celebrity guys fucking each other. There were back bedrooms. 290 00:13:14,184 --> 00:13:16,824 Speaker 1: It was like being an inner sanctum. You'd see two 291 00:13:16,944 --> 00:13:19,824 Speaker 1: people you would not think and they'd be hooking up rappers, 292 00:13:19,904 --> 00:13:23,104 Speaker 1: famous people. And that's what shocked me. And so that 293 00:13:23,144 --> 00:13:25,824 Speaker 1: information has come out. Obviously we don't have like a 294 00:13:25,864 --> 00:13:28,104 Speaker 1: list of names or anything like that, but it's just 295 00:13:28,144 --> 00:13:30,664 Speaker 1: alleged that a lot of what has been said in 296 00:13:30,704 --> 00:13:32,664 Speaker 1: the public happened at these parties. 297 00:13:32,944 --> 00:13:35,904 Speaker 2: So and the way that quote like saying celebrity guys, 298 00:13:35,984 --> 00:13:39,864 Speaker 2: it's kind of clear that even if it wasn't happening 299 00:13:40,144 --> 00:13:43,104 Speaker 2: at the actual white parties, it was clearly like a 300 00:13:43,184 --> 00:13:45,584 Speaker 2: group of celebrities that were still very close to him. 301 00:13:45,864 --> 00:13:48,984 Speaker 2: Yes that like all kept it between each other. But 302 00:13:49,064 --> 00:13:52,184 Speaker 2: the photos are so interesting because it does kind of 303 00:13:52,224 --> 00:13:54,784 Speaker 2: shed a bad light on all the celebrities who just 304 00:13:55,584 --> 00:13:58,384 Speaker 2: might have just attended the party but didn't actually partake 305 00:13:58,464 --> 00:14:00,624 Speaker 2: and like or have knowledge of what was going on. 306 00:14:01,304 --> 00:14:05,664 Speaker 2: But it's interesting with the Kardashian clip as well as 307 00:14:05,744 --> 00:14:08,664 Speaker 2: what celebrities have been saying and even like with some 308 00:14:08,744 --> 00:14:11,984 Speaker 2: rappers like Eminem like have talked about this through their 309 00:14:12,024 --> 00:14:14,504 Speaker 2: songs that they knew but they didn't know. 310 00:14:15,184 --> 00:14:16,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, isn't that always a thing that comes out 311 00:14:17,024 --> 00:14:19,064 Speaker 1: with a lot of these high profile men, especially when 312 00:14:19,064 --> 00:14:21,024 Speaker 1: there's this huge reckoning in Hollywood. It was the same, 313 00:14:21,104 --> 00:14:23,544 Speaker 1: like a very similar story with someone like Harvey Weinstein 314 00:14:23,584 --> 00:14:25,784 Speaker 1: when all those allegations came out. So many people came 315 00:14:25,784 --> 00:14:28,544 Speaker 1: out and said they absolutely had no idea, or they 316 00:14:28,664 --> 00:14:30,584 Speaker 1: kind of knew half of it, or they'd heard it 317 00:14:30,624 --> 00:14:32,304 Speaker 1: but they hadn't seen it. It's one of those things where, 318 00:14:32,304 --> 00:14:34,544 Speaker 1: like I think people don't want to speak publicly because 319 00:14:34,944 --> 00:14:38,024 Speaker 1: they're so worried about being pulled into it and having 320 00:14:38,024 --> 00:14:40,144 Speaker 1: their own partner it put forward. But it's one of 321 00:14:40,184 --> 00:14:42,184 Speaker 1: those things where people hear things, but they're kind of 322 00:14:42,224 --> 00:14:43,624 Speaker 1: like I just don't want to know, Like I'll keep 323 00:14:43,624 --> 00:14:45,224 Speaker 1: my head down, like bury my head in the sand 324 00:14:45,264 --> 00:14:48,064 Speaker 1: and not get into it. But now as this kind 325 00:14:48,104 --> 00:14:50,184 Speaker 1: of list of celebrities who were friends with him at 326 00:14:50,184 --> 00:14:52,264 Speaker 1: the time comes out, a lot of them have either 327 00:14:52,304 --> 00:14:54,944 Speaker 1: started to react and say like I had nothing to 328 00:14:54,984 --> 00:14:58,064 Speaker 1: do with that, or sort of issue press releases through 329 00:14:58,104 --> 00:15:00,424 Speaker 1: their team from third parties. And that's a little bit 330 00:15:00,464 --> 00:15:02,544 Speaker 1: what we're seeing now with Ashton Kutcher. So I don't 331 00:15:02,544 --> 00:15:04,264 Speaker 1: know if you've seen that his name has been in 332 00:15:04,264 --> 00:15:07,824 Speaker 1: the last couple of days really wrapped up with Sean Colmbs. 333 00:15:07,864 --> 00:15:10,064 Speaker 2: I couldn't figure out why. So what I found was 334 00:15:10,064 --> 00:15:13,864 Speaker 2: like originally Shawn Comb's parties was in his mansion in 335 00:15:13,904 --> 00:15:17,384 Speaker 2: the Hamptons, and then he moved them over to Beverly 336 00:15:17,464 --> 00:15:20,184 Speaker 2: Hills when he moved to Beverly Hills, and that's where 337 00:15:20,344 --> 00:15:22,704 Speaker 2: like people who lived in the area, like Ashton Kutcher, 338 00:15:22,824 --> 00:15:25,704 Speaker 2: Russell Brand started attending. But he did co host one 339 00:15:25,704 --> 00:15:27,864 Speaker 2: of the white parties with Ashton Kutcher. 340 00:15:28,104 --> 00:15:30,904 Speaker 1: Yes. And so this is another clip that's been resurfaced 341 00:15:30,904 --> 00:15:32,824 Speaker 1: this week, and he's starting to go viral, kind of 342 00:15:32,864 --> 00:15:36,384 Speaker 1: like Kalie Kardashian mentioning on a clip of the Kardashians 343 00:15:36,664 --> 00:15:39,104 Speaker 1: so many years ago that she was there. This clip 344 00:15:39,184 --> 00:15:41,744 Speaker 1: has come up and it's a twenty nineteen appearance that 345 00:15:41,824 --> 00:15:45,224 Speaker 1: Ashton Kutcher did on Hot Ones and he was asked 346 00:15:45,224 --> 00:15:48,864 Speaker 1: if he had any funny stories about attending Shawn Comb's parties, 347 00:15:49,344 --> 00:15:52,464 Speaker 1: and he says, I've got a lot. I can't tell you. Oh, 348 00:15:52,504 --> 00:15:55,544 Speaker 1: I can't tell that one either. I'm actually cycling through them. 349 00:15:55,544 --> 00:15:56,864 Speaker 1: So he's like in his head, he's like trying to 350 00:15:56,864 --> 00:16:00,944 Speaker 1: think like cycling through them, and he goes Diddy party stories. Man, 351 00:16:01,184 --> 00:16:03,064 Speaker 1: that was some weird memory lane thing. 352 00:16:03,344 --> 00:16:06,424 Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I've got a lot I can't tell. So 353 00:16:09,424 --> 00:16:13,104 Speaker 2: I can't tell that I like actually cycling through them. 354 00:16:13,824 --> 00:16:16,144 Speaker 1: And so that came out, It went everywhere, and there 355 00:16:16,184 --> 00:16:18,624 Speaker 1: started to be all of these rumblings and allegations that 356 00:16:18,704 --> 00:16:21,784 Speaker 1: Ashton Kutcher again just allegation. To this point, I've seen 357 00:16:21,784 --> 00:16:24,144 Speaker 1: no court documents or anything to back this up. At 358 00:16:24,144 --> 00:16:26,984 Speaker 1: this stage, there came all these like different reports that 359 00:16:26,984 --> 00:16:30,024 Speaker 1: Ashton Kutcher was somehow involved who was panicking about his involvement, 360 00:16:30,424 --> 00:16:32,184 Speaker 1: and this is also a bit of a wild one, 361 00:16:32,224 --> 00:16:34,784 Speaker 1: which again we don't know. All of these allegations came out, 362 00:16:34,864 --> 00:16:38,664 Speaker 1: these reports that Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis were breaking 363 00:16:38,784 --> 00:16:40,664 Speaker 1: up and she had left him and taken the kids 364 00:16:40,704 --> 00:16:43,584 Speaker 1: because of these allegations because they're about to blow up, 365 00:16:44,024 --> 00:16:45,624 Speaker 1: which I kind of read that and I was like, 366 00:16:45,704 --> 00:16:47,824 Speaker 1: you just can't look into any truth and something like 367 00:16:47,864 --> 00:16:50,304 Speaker 1: that when it's all these blind items and reports. But 368 00:16:50,384 --> 00:16:52,904 Speaker 1: what I thought was interesting is that today People Magazine 369 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:56,704 Speaker 1: have run a story saying that's false from a source, 370 00:16:56,744 --> 00:16:59,784 Speaker 1: and as we always say, People Magazine has obviously had 371 00:16:59,784 --> 00:17:03,744 Speaker 1: that information come from Ashton and Miller's team, and they 372 00:17:03,744 --> 00:17:05,824 Speaker 1: don't want to comment on directly because once they comment 373 00:17:05,904 --> 00:17:09,584 Speaker 1: on directly, the headlines blot with Ashton comments on Sean 374 00:17:09,624 --> 00:17:13,504 Speaker 1: Comb's arrest, Mila comment on divorce, and then it's open 375 00:17:13,504 --> 00:17:16,864 Speaker 1: slather for them to be asked about this in the future. 376 00:17:16,984 --> 00:17:20,264 Speaker 1: So instead it appears that they've told People Magazine like 377 00:17:20,304 --> 00:17:22,264 Speaker 1: sent them a statement, and People's run that to cind 378 00:17:22,264 --> 00:17:24,624 Speaker 1: and stop the story and the statement is this is 379 00:17:24,664 --> 00:17:28,584 Speaker 1: absolutely ridiculous and false. Ashon has no involvement in any 380 00:17:28,584 --> 00:17:30,944 Speaker 1: of this. He doesn't belong in the conversation about Diddy. 381 00:17:31,224 --> 00:17:34,024 Speaker 1: Ashon has only seen Didty a handful of times at 382 00:17:34,064 --> 00:17:37,144 Speaker 1: social and business events, all of which have been documented 383 00:17:37,144 --> 00:17:40,024 Speaker 1: by the media. Just left it to that. 384 00:17:39,504 --> 00:17:42,504 Speaker 2: That's not true though, because there are photos of him 385 00:17:42,624 --> 00:17:43,744 Speaker 2: at the parties. 386 00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:45,784 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I think that's is that what they mean 387 00:17:45,824 --> 00:17:47,664 Speaker 1: as a social event? Yeah, yeah, that's what he's saying. 388 00:17:47,664 --> 00:17:49,944 Speaker 1: He's like at a handful of business and social events, 389 00:17:49,944 --> 00:17:52,264 Speaker 1: social events being the party, and he's saying that every 390 00:17:52,264 --> 00:17:54,824 Speaker 1: time we've been together, there's photos of it. So if 391 00:17:54,824 --> 00:17:57,024 Speaker 1: you can only find ten photos, we've only been together 392 00:17:57,064 --> 00:17:57,704 Speaker 1: ten times. 393 00:17:57,984 --> 00:18:00,224 Speaker 2: But he'd kind of dug himself in a hole with 394 00:18:00,304 --> 00:18:02,824 Speaker 2: that Hot Ones interview by kind of admitting that, no, 395 00:18:02,904 --> 00:18:04,824 Speaker 2: he's seen some stuff and he can't talk about it. 396 00:18:04,904 --> 00:18:07,344 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but I think all celebrities have really said 397 00:18:07,344 --> 00:18:09,704 Speaker 1: that about Seawan Colmes's party. So it's one of those 398 00:18:09,744 --> 00:18:11,384 Speaker 1: things where like it could go either way. Like I'm 399 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:13,584 Speaker 1: not saying he is involved and I'm not saying he's not, 400 00:18:13,624 --> 00:18:16,184 Speaker 1: because we just don't have that information, But I think 401 00:18:16,264 --> 00:18:19,464 Speaker 1: it was a very like common and very like accepted 402 00:18:19,464 --> 00:18:22,944 Speaker 1: thing that everyone would talk about these wild parties in interviews. 403 00:18:22,984 --> 00:18:25,624 Speaker 1: And obviously now we're seeing that in a different light 404 00:18:25,744 --> 00:18:29,144 Speaker 1: given the circumstances. But back then they were just seen 405 00:18:29,184 --> 00:18:32,184 Speaker 1: as these wild celebrity parties. Everyone will cool clothes and 406 00:18:32,504 --> 00:18:34,664 Speaker 1: hung out together, and there's a million celebrity parties like 407 00:18:34,664 --> 00:18:36,664 Speaker 1: that happening every year. So like, I can understand why 408 00:18:36,704 --> 00:18:38,504 Speaker 1: they weren't on their guard back then about it. 409 00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:40,824 Speaker 2: I think they're just like in such a bad light 410 00:18:40,904 --> 00:18:44,704 Speaker 2: right now, especially after the Danny Masterson stuff, it feels 411 00:18:45,184 --> 00:18:47,904 Speaker 2: more believable that he was there and was aware of 412 00:18:47,944 --> 00:18:50,744 Speaker 2: it because of like how he handled that situation. 413 00:18:51,304 --> 00:18:52,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we just don't know. I mean, the thing 414 00:18:52,984 --> 00:18:54,544 Speaker 1: I think to remember here is like you can only 415 00:18:54,584 --> 00:18:56,264 Speaker 1: go off with some of the court documents, but also 416 00:18:56,664 --> 00:19:00,264 Speaker 1: there would be so much information about the behind the 417 00:19:00,304 --> 00:19:03,064 Speaker 1: scenes of these parties, these events, and just celebrity lives 418 00:19:03,064 --> 00:19:05,584 Speaker 1: in general that we would have no information about. It's 419 00:19:05,664 --> 00:19:08,064 Speaker 1: just like, I think so much of it comes with 420 00:19:08,184 --> 00:19:10,224 Speaker 1: having to keep bits of their lives hidden, and they 421 00:19:10,224 --> 00:19:12,824 Speaker 1: have the resources to do that, and so I guess 422 00:19:12,864 --> 00:19:14,584 Speaker 1: at this point in time, we're just waiting for the 423 00:19:14,664 --> 00:19:16,944 Speaker 1: trial to start and waiting for that information to come 424 00:19:16,944 --> 00:19:19,944 Speaker 1: out through the courts, and obviously just really feeling for 425 00:19:19,984 --> 00:19:22,184 Speaker 1: all of the women in particular who are wrapped up 426 00:19:22,184 --> 00:19:24,184 Speaker 1: in this, who are the ones who have made the 427 00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:27,984 Speaker 1: complaints about that huge list of allegations that have been 428 00:19:27,984 --> 00:19:30,064 Speaker 1: made against him, and I'm sure they're all kind of 429 00:19:30,104 --> 00:19:32,264 Speaker 1: hoping that this will go through the court and I'll 430 00:19:32,264 --> 00:19:33,504 Speaker 1: get the outcome they're looking for. 431 00:19:33,904 --> 00:19:36,144 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. 432 00:19:36,424 --> 00:19:40,464 Speaker 2: If you want more information on Sean Combe's arrests and 433 00:19:40,544 --> 00:19:43,544 Speaker 2: the allegations, we have been writing about it on mamamea 434 00:19:43,584 --> 00:19:45,584 Speaker 2: dot com dot a you. We will link those pieces 435 00:19:45,624 --> 00:19:47,464 Speaker 2: in our show notes. We will be back here on 436 00:19:47,504 --> 00:19:53,504 Speaker 2: your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. Bye bye,