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Speaker 1: I wanted to quickly tell you something. I recently had

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Speaker 1: and we took a deep dive into the four Sex

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Speaker 1: and Laura has so many fun facts that people didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Where the podcast. It

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Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Lee Campbell,

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Speaker 1: and every week I chat to an expert who helps

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Speaker 1: because we're saying goodbye to a friend. We're actually saying

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Speaker 1: goodbye to four friends. Sex and the City hit our

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm happy to be here as a listener.

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Speaker 1: Women have a wardrobe full of clothes, whether that's a

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Speaker 1: like quite cary. I think they were sixteen dollars, Wow,

433
00:18:40,625 --> 00:18:43,465
Speaker 1: my brass from Target. This is secondhand, And so you

434
00:18:43,505 --> 00:18:47,785
Speaker 1: can because it's not a look for her particularly but

435
00:18:47,825 --> 00:18:51,265
Speaker 1: even yeah, probably mostly for her. But it's all a colectic,

436
00:18:51,345 --> 00:18:54,265
Speaker 1: it's all kind of a stylish, but it doesn't match.

437
00:18:54,385 --> 00:18:56,425
Speaker 1: And you that means you can go into your wardrobe

438
00:18:56,425 --> 00:18:59,385
Speaker 1: and find old things and pull them out and mix

439
00:18:59,385 --> 00:19:01,825
Speaker 1: and match them and just because they're not Manalo Blanik

440
00:19:01,905 --> 00:19:02,905
Speaker 1: or whatever she's wearing.

441
00:19:03,425 --> 00:19:05,985
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that vibe right exactly. It's not about the

442
00:19:06,025 --> 00:19:08,505
Speaker 3: designer clothes, it's the way she puts them together. And

443
00:19:08,545 --> 00:19:10,465
Speaker 3: I feel like that's when I first started to get

444
00:19:10,505 --> 00:19:12,465
Speaker 3: a bit interested in fashion, when I was a teenager

445
00:19:12,505 --> 00:19:15,545
Speaker 3: watching Sex and the City. And again, I'm living in Townsville,

446
00:19:15,585 --> 00:19:18,145
Speaker 3: which is tropical North Queensland. Could not be further away

447
00:19:18,185 --> 00:19:18,945
Speaker 3: from the streets of me.

448
00:19:18,985 --> 00:19:19,305
Speaker 1: Or do you.

449
00:19:21,025 --> 00:19:22,745
Speaker 3: No, because there's't be one day a week in towns

450
00:19:22,785 --> 00:19:24,465
Speaker 3: All we can wear a jacket when it's cool enough

451
00:19:24,505 --> 00:19:26,705
Speaker 3: the rest of the me the whole year, Yeah, pretty much.

452
00:19:26,745 --> 00:19:28,905
Speaker 3: It's tropical all year round, which isn't great for me.

453
00:19:29,145 --> 00:19:31,585
Speaker 3: But I would save up all my pennies from working

454
00:19:31,665 --> 00:19:33,705
Speaker 3: at the cash register it came out and go and

455
00:19:33,825 --> 00:19:36,745
Speaker 3: buy like a pearl necklace or a lace skirt to

456
00:19:36,785 --> 00:19:39,265
Speaker 3: put over something, or cowboy boots. And again, I had

457
00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:40,985
Speaker 3: literally no where to go. I cannot stay that enough.

458
00:19:40,985 --> 00:19:42,505
Speaker 3: I was going to like walk around the shopping center

459
00:19:42,585 --> 00:19:44,065
Speaker 3: with my friends or going to the movies or something,

460
00:19:44,105 --> 00:19:46,385
Speaker 3: because when you're sixteen, you want to go somewhere, but

461
00:19:46,385 --> 00:19:48,705
Speaker 3: you have nowhere to go. And I felt like every

462
00:19:48,785 --> 00:19:50,945
Speaker 3: day I would be putting these outfits together on my

463
00:19:50,985 --> 00:19:53,265
Speaker 3: bed and the accessories and things, and I would wear

464
00:19:53,265 --> 00:19:55,265
Speaker 3: heels out again. At sixteen, I had nowhere to go.

465
00:19:55,665 --> 00:19:58,185
Speaker 3: But it's almost like Carrie Bradshaw gave you permission to

466
00:19:58,425 --> 00:20:01,225
Speaker 3: live in a fantasy. And even if your fantasy things

467
00:20:01,265 --> 00:20:05,065
Speaker 3: came from Target and Valley Girls, lots of Valley Girls

468
00:20:05,105 --> 00:20:08,185
Speaker 3: staff couldn't even afford Sports Girl. And I think that

469
00:20:08,345 --> 00:20:11,705
Speaker 3: stayed lay By now, yeah, exact exactly. For God, I

470
00:20:11,745 --> 00:20:13,785
Speaker 3: had that six week payment place because I needed it.

471
00:20:14,385 --> 00:20:16,665
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes now when I find myself also

472
00:20:16,785 --> 00:20:19,265
Speaker 3: now that I kind of have the job I fantasize at.

473
00:20:19,225 --> 00:20:21,945
Speaker 1: The time kind of we both semi have a carriage.

474
00:20:21,985 --> 00:20:24,305
Speaker 3: Ob I feel like so many people in our industry do.

475
00:20:24,465 --> 00:20:26,945
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think to myself, like living in the big city,

476
00:20:27,105 --> 00:20:29,545
Speaker 3: working in this glamorous job, and sometimes when I get

477
00:20:29,585 --> 00:20:31,065
Speaker 3: really tired and I feel like I just want to

478
00:20:31,105 --> 00:20:34,305
Speaker 3: pull on a waterever outfit, I think, what would sixteen

479
00:20:34,345 --> 00:20:36,385
Speaker 3: year old you think when she was watching sex in

480
00:20:36,425 --> 00:20:38,065
Speaker 3: the city, that you were leaving the house like that

481
00:20:38,105 --> 00:20:39,865
Speaker 3: when you finally have somewhere to go.

482
00:20:39,905 --> 00:20:43,145
Speaker 1: Yes, totally I love that, but I think you know, yes,

483
00:20:43,185 --> 00:20:45,745
Speaker 1: you had nowhere to go, But sixteen year old you,

484
00:20:46,505 --> 00:20:48,665
Speaker 1: you clearly were a creative person. Look where you've landed

485
00:20:48,665 --> 00:20:50,345
Speaker 1: in your career, and so it was an outlet for

486
00:20:50,505 --> 00:20:53,225
Speaker 1: creativity exactly. But then a lot of our listeners don't

487
00:20:53,265 --> 00:20:55,625
Speaker 1: have somewhere to go, is you know, as a mother

488
00:20:55,705 --> 00:20:57,905
Speaker 1: and as someone who works here part time. But otherwise

489
00:20:57,945 --> 00:21:02,505
Speaker 1: I'm schlepping around doing very mundane things. I'm really trying

490
00:21:02,545 --> 00:21:05,225
Speaker 1: not to save my special things and so much nowhere

491
00:21:05,305 --> 00:21:07,545
Speaker 1: to go. Sure, I'm not wearing a ball gown, and

492
00:21:07,825 --> 00:21:10,745
Speaker 1: definitely not at my age where six inch heels, but

493
00:21:10,905 --> 00:21:12,705
Speaker 1: I will wear something a little bit fish, you know.

494
00:21:12,865 --> 00:21:14,505
Speaker 3: And I think that's what Sex and the City has

495
00:21:14,545 --> 00:21:16,465
Speaker 3: taught us because look at like some of Carrie's best

496
00:21:16,465 --> 00:21:19,145
Speaker 3: outfits is sitting at the diner having breakfast with their

497
00:21:19,185 --> 00:21:21,385
Speaker 3: friends on a Saturday even. I feel like one of

498
00:21:21,385 --> 00:21:23,625
Speaker 3: the moments that got the most ridiculed from the New

499
00:21:23,705 --> 00:21:26,545
Speaker 3: and just like that is where she's staying the night

500
00:21:26,585 --> 00:21:29,505
Speaker 3: at her apartment after BIG's death, and she wakes up

501
00:21:29,505 --> 00:21:31,785
Speaker 3: in the morning and her coffee machine is broken, and

502
00:21:31,825 --> 00:21:33,745
Speaker 3: so she goes down the road to literally just grab

503
00:21:33,825 --> 00:21:36,425
Speaker 3: a coffee from a bodega and She's wearing a full

504
00:21:36,585 --> 00:21:40,905
Speaker 3: like chul maxi skirt with a train and a glittery bag,

505
00:21:40,985 --> 00:21:42,825
Speaker 3: and I just think that is what she would wear

506
00:21:42,825 --> 00:21:43,625
Speaker 3: to go get a coffee.

507
00:21:43,665 --> 00:21:45,065
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is what she because it's her.

508
00:21:44,945 --> 00:21:46,905
Speaker 3: Comfort outfit and she felt good in it and she

509
00:21:46,985 --> 00:21:48,745
Speaker 3: felt like that was her outing for the day.

510
00:21:49,025 --> 00:21:51,185
Speaker 1: And do you think because that occurred now, you know,

511
00:21:51,225 --> 00:21:53,585
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, did you see any online

512
00:21:53,585 --> 00:21:55,785
Speaker 1: discourse saying someone grieving wouldn't do that?

513
00:21:56,065 --> 00:21:58,065
Speaker 3: There was so much I feel like people had forgotten

514
00:21:58,145 --> 00:21:59,985
Speaker 3: the world that they had craved to go back into,

515
00:22:00,105 --> 00:22:01,865
Speaker 3: Like everyone wanted to go back into the Sexton City,

516
00:22:02,065 --> 00:22:03,425
Speaker 3: and when it came back, we're like, oh, she would

517
00:22:03,465 --> 00:22:05,585
Speaker 3: never wear that. First of all, if you go to

518
00:22:05,625 --> 00:22:07,705
Speaker 3: New York and walk around like the West Village and stuff,

519
00:22:07,705 --> 00:22:10,065
Speaker 3: you do see characters like that who were quint essentially

520
00:22:10,145 --> 00:22:12,945
Speaker 3: New York, who live in these rent controlled apartments that

521
00:22:12,945 --> 00:22:15,905
Speaker 3: they could never afford, who buy these crazy clothes, and

522
00:22:15,945 --> 00:22:18,065
Speaker 3: they do wear stuff like that to get coffee. And

523
00:22:18,065 --> 00:22:20,465
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's Carrie Bradshaw. She's you think of her

524
00:22:20,505 --> 00:22:22,825
Speaker 3: as this like fancy girl on TV, but at her heart,

525
00:22:22,905 --> 00:22:25,265
Speaker 3: she is just an eccentric New York woman with too

526
00:22:25,305 --> 00:22:27,025
Speaker 3: much time and money, and we love her for.

527
00:22:26,905 --> 00:22:28,945
Speaker 1: That and her ten percent. You know, she probably grabbed

528
00:22:28,945 --> 00:22:30,625
Speaker 1: her what was closest to the door. She doesn't have

529
00:22:30,665 --> 00:22:32,945
Speaker 1: old Lillu lemon leggings and so buld up track is

530
00:22:32,985 --> 00:22:34,705
Speaker 1: that's what she's got in her ten percent.

531
00:22:34,905 --> 00:22:37,105
Speaker 3: She'd have to go dig for the flats to find them.

532
00:22:37,225 --> 00:22:39,305
Speaker 3: She puts on her walking heels, as she says.

533
00:22:39,225 --> 00:22:42,345
Speaker 1: I know, and she walks a lot I had. I

534
00:22:42,385 --> 00:22:44,225
Speaker 1: didn't know this, so if you can tell me about it.

535
00:22:44,265 --> 00:22:47,345
Speaker 1: Sarah Disika Barker has confirmed that she had a clause

536
00:22:47,385 --> 00:22:49,705
Speaker 1: in her contract that allowed her to keep the outfits.

537
00:22:50,145 --> 00:22:50,745
Speaker 1: Is this true?

538
00:22:50,825 --> 00:22:53,145
Speaker 3: That is one hundred percent true? So this yeah, yeah,

539
00:22:53,145 --> 00:22:55,745
Speaker 3: she has all of them in an archive. No, and

540
00:22:55,825 --> 00:22:59,745
Speaker 3: she does loan them out every soften to events and

541
00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:02,025
Speaker 3: movies and things. And she says she's keeping them for

542
00:23:02,065 --> 00:23:03,785
Speaker 3: her twin daughters and so jealous of those.

543
00:23:03,665 --> 00:23:05,225
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they better make an exam.

544
00:23:05,465 --> 00:23:08,625
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And so all those archival pieces that you

545
00:23:08,745 --> 00:23:11,145
Speaker 3: see in and just like that where that's why they

546
00:23:11,145 --> 00:23:12,905
Speaker 3: have all the clothing racks out where she says she's

547
00:23:12,905 --> 00:23:15,505
Speaker 3: sorting her clothes so you can see all the pieces

548
00:23:15,545 --> 00:23:17,065
Speaker 3: and they're all from her personal archive.

549
00:23:17,585 --> 00:23:19,305
Speaker 1: No way, isn't that just I also do.

550
00:23:19,305 --> 00:23:22,185
Speaker 3: Feel that clause was potentially put in before the big designers.

551
00:23:22,905 --> 00:23:25,145
Speaker 1: Clay she is a baller. I know she wanted to

552
00:23:25,145 --> 00:23:27,905
Speaker 1: get out at the start, but now that is so smart.

553
00:23:28,025 --> 00:23:30,265
Speaker 3: But once the show became so cultural elevant, then she

554
00:23:30,465 --> 00:23:32,785
Speaker 3: leaned in in a huge way and you know, became

555
00:23:32,825 --> 00:23:34,705
Speaker 3: a producer on the show and became all that sort

556
00:23:34,745 --> 00:23:36,585
Speaker 3: of stuff. And yeah, she had that clause written in.

557
00:23:36,945 --> 00:23:38,585
Speaker 3: I think it was again to kind of sweeten the

558
00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:40,905
Speaker 3: deal because she did want to leave. Yeah, and then

559
00:23:41,025 --> 00:23:43,985
Speaker 3: once all the designers started being like, where our stuff? Yes,

560
00:23:44,025 --> 00:23:45,065
Speaker 3: it was just like the game.

561
00:23:46,225 --> 00:23:49,105
Speaker 1: I can't imagine anyone else playing Kerry but her, No,

562
00:23:49,145 --> 00:23:50,825
Speaker 1: not at all. Isn't it funny how that was like

563
00:23:50,825 --> 00:23:53,545
Speaker 1: exciting doors moments. You're just so glad that they happened.

564
00:23:54,025 --> 00:23:56,585
Speaker 1: I have to admit something, I have only watched the

565
00:23:56,625 --> 00:23:59,425
Speaker 1: first two seasons, even just like that, I haven't watched

566
00:23:59,465 --> 00:24:02,025
Speaker 1: the third one. I was in a panic to catch up.

567
00:24:02,025 --> 00:24:03,665
Speaker 1: But now that we know it's the last, I'm kind

568
00:24:03,705 --> 00:24:06,385
Speaker 1: of savoring it, like that that chocolate clear in the

569
00:24:06,425 --> 00:24:08,025
Speaker 1: back of the fridge, or you know that really good

570
00:24:08,025 --> 00:24:10,825
Speaker 1: book is saving for holidays. Yes, talk to me about

571
00:24:10,825 --> 00:24:13,545
Speaker 1: the last season and what have I missed and maybe

572
00:24:13,585 --> 00:24:15,265
Speaker 1: some spoilers for people that haven't caught up, But this

573
00:24:15,305 --> 00:24:16,585
Speaker 1: is from a fashion perspective.

574
00:24:16,665 --> 00:24:18,425
Speaker 3: Yes, I won't go into sort of deep spoilers and

575
00:24:18,465 --> 00:24:20,065
Speaker 3: vers all. I think it's the right thing for you.

576
00:24:20,025 --> 00:24:22,225
Speaker 1: To save it because I'm excited now.

577
00:24:22,225 --> 00:24:23,705
Speaker 3: It's like Chillian glass of wine. We're not in the

578
00:24:23,705 --> 00:24:25,625
Speaker 3: mood for it. You're not going to enjoy that, but one.

579
00:24:25,585 --> 00:24:27,545
Speaker 1: Day you don't want to open the bottle until you're.

580
00:24:27,385 --> 00:24:29,265
Speaker 3: Ready exactly one day you're going to reach for that

581
00:24:29,345 --> 00:24:30,785
Speaker 3: treat and it's going to be the perfect time.

582
00:24:30,985 --> 00:24:31,145
Speaker 1: Yes.

583
00:24:31,305 --> 00:24:33,385
Speaker 3: So this season was a bit of a divisive one

584
00:24:33,425 --> 00:24:35,945
Speaker 3: because Carrie's outfits we're getting, if we're going to talk

585
00:24:35,945 --> 00:24:39,185
Speaker 3: from fashion, yes, have been very pulled apart. I don't

586
00:24:39,185 --> 00:24:40,665
Speaker 3: know if you saw the images of her like out

587
00:24:40,665 --> 00:24:42,745
Speaker 3: and about having ice cream with Sema with a huge

588
00:24:42,825 --> 00:24:43,905
Speaker 3: kind of opulent hat.

589
00:24:43,985 --> 00:24:45,985
Speaker 1: Yes, that hat was a lot looked like a marshmallow

590
00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:46,265
Speaker 1: for it.

591
00:24:46,145 --> 00:24:49,025
Speaker 3: It was a huge I do think Sarah Jessica Parker

592
00:24:49,065 --> 00:24:50,945
Speaker 3: like she takes a lot of criticism on the chin

593
00:24:51,025 --> 00:24:52,825
Speaker 3: for the show with that she was not having it.

594
00:24:52,865 --> 00:24:54,745
Speaker 3: She's like that hat came from an artist.

595
00:24:54,985 --> 00:24:57,545
Speaker 1: It is a piece of art, and she's really elevated,

596
00:24:57,625 --> 00:25:01,065
Speaker 1: like she's made some designer's whole career is exactly.

597
00:25:01,145 --> 00:25:03,305
Speaker 3: I mean, even with monolos and stuff like, she was

598
00:25:03,345 --> 00:25:04,865
Speaker 3: the one who were like these are the shoes I'm

599
00:25:04,865 --> 00:25:06,865
Speaker 3: gonna or like the Fenny bag ats and stuff like,

600
00:25:06,945 --> 00:25:08,865
Speaker 3: she was the one who picked them and brought them

601
00:25:08,865 --> 00:25:10,705
Speaker 3: into a bit more Maine stream, which means more people

602
00:25:10,705 --> 00:25:12,945
Speaker 3: were buying them. But I do think that she's just

603
00:25:13,265 --> 00:25:15,185
Speaker 3: in a different place in her life from the original

604
00:25:15,185 --> 00:25:17,345
Speaker 3: Sex and the City, and so her clothes should reflect

605
00:25:17,345 --> 00:25:20,865
Speaker 3: that she is a multi multi millionaire woman because she

606
00:25:20,945 --> 00:25:23,265
Speaker 3: has the money from her books, but also all of

607
00:25:23,265 --> 00:25:25,825
Speaker 3: the money, including the money that he was meant to

608
00:25:25,865 --> 00:25:28,145
Speaker 3: give to Natasha, which then carry kept, which is fair enough.

609
00:25:28,305 --> 00:25:30,345
Speaker 1: God she I mean I half feel bad for Natasha.

610
00:25:30,345 --> 00:25:30,825
Speaker 1: She felt.

611
00:25:32,305 --> 00:25:33,985
Speaker 3: She doesn't need any Yeah, she has her own money,

612
00:25:34,025 --> 00:25:35,945
Speaker 3: as she said on the show. So I think we're

613
00:25:35,985 --> 00:25:38,585
Speaker 3: looking at this woman who's living in this mansion and

614
00:25:38,825 --> 00:25:42,425
Speaker 3: who has unlimited money, unlimited time, and her clothes should

615
00:25:42,465 --> 00:25:44,265
Speaker 3: reflect that. Just think if you had nothing but time

616
00:25:44,305 --> 00:25:47,385
Speaker 3: to sit around your huge house with unlimited money.

617
00:25:47,265 --> 00:25:50,345
Speaker 1: And it was already part of you, you do your expression,

618
00:25:50,585 --> 00:25:52,745
Speaker 1: and I think it still kind of shows like in

619
00:25:52,785 --> 00:25:56,145
Speaker 1: this new season, we do see Carrie like attaching significance

620
00:25:56,185 --> 00:25:58,785
Speaker 1: to like a Vivian Westwood dress that she thought was

621
00:25:58,825 --> 00:26:01,225
Speaker 1: too special to wear, and then she wears when she

622
00:26:01,265 --> 00:26:01,705
Speaker 1: wants to go.

623
00:26:01,665 --> 00:26:03,265
Speaker 3: Meet this writer she's got a crush on, because she

624
00:26:03,305 --> 00:26:07,225
Speaker 3: decides she and she's ready for the moment. And and

625
00:26:07,305 --> 00:26:09,345
Speaker 3: you see her again go off in these like beautiful

626
00:26:09,385 --> 00:26:11,945
Speaker 3: gowns to meet her friends and very kind of big

627
00:26:11,985 --> 00:26:14,505
Speaker 3: on the accessories, and it does feel like it stays

628
00:26:14,585 --> 00:26:17,145
Speaker 3: true to the carry Branshaws style. It's just reflecting where

629
00:26:17,145 --> 00:26:17,865
Speaker 3: she is now.

630
00:26:17,825 --> 00:26:20,065
Speaker 1: Right exactly and me as mid forties, trust me, you

631
00:26:20,065 --> 00:26:22,025
Speaker 1: get to a point where you give zero FUCKX that

632
00:26:22,145 --> 00:26:25,065
Speaker 1: goes both ways. Sometimes it's literally tracksit that hasn't been

633
00:26:25,185 --> 00:26:26,625
Speaker 1: washed for three months, that I had a spray tang

634
00:26:26,665 --> 00:26:28,625
Speaker 1: in it, and sometimes it is a ball gown and

635
00:26:28,705 --> 00:26:31,465
Speaker 1: no coffee, And I kind of like that. Before we

636
00:26:31,505 --> 00:26:34,025
Speaker 1: get into bougie and budget, can I ask you did

637
00:26:34,065 --> 00:26:36,425
Speaker 1: you have a favorite character or do you have a

638
00:26:36,465 --> 00:26:39,945
Speaker 1: favorite character and has it changed through their thirty years? Oh?

639
00:26:40,265 --> 00:26:43,465
Speaker 3: I mean it's hard because I loved all of them

640
00:26:43,465 --> 00:26:46,305
Speaker 3: from the start, which I feel is like just maybe

641
00:26:46,345 --> 00:26:49,025
Speaker 3: like a goodie two shoes answer that I loved. I

642
00:26:49,065 --> 00:26:53,185
Speaker 3: loved like Charlotte's romanticism for the world. I love Miranda's smarts.

643
00:26:53,225 --> 00:26:55,465
Speaker 3: And again, I think Samantha is the best friend you

644
00:26:55,465 --> 00:26:59,025
Speaker 3: could have. But I do relate to carry the most.

645
00:26:59,225 --> 00:27:00,585
Speaker 1: But about fashion wise.

646
00:27:00,505 --> 00:27:03,225
Speaker 3: Fashion wise, oh I wish. I mean again, I've tried

647
00:27:03,265 --> 00:27:05,105
Speaker 3: to dress like Carry over the years in a way.

648
00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:07,305
Speaker 3: I don't think my taste is that eclectic. I think

649
00:27:07,305 --> 00:27:09,425
Speaker 3: more of a Samantha I think is like power blazer.

650
00:27:09,985 --> 00:27:12,345
Speaker 3: I see that for series. I think that kind of

651
00:27:12,345 --> 00:27:15,665
Speaker 3: power dressing is what I relate to the most. And

652
00:27:15,705 --> 00:27:17,545
Speaker 3: also at end of the day most comfortable. She's often

653
00:27:17,545 --> 00:27:19,105
Speaker 3: in a suit and I was like that woman can.

654
00:27:18,985 --> 00:27:21,985
Speaker 1: Move, yeah totally, And a bold accessory you added on

655
00:27:21,985 --> 00:27:24,185
Speaker 1: and it looks like you put so much effort. Mine has

656
00:27:24,225 --> 00:27:26,985
Speaker 1: to be Miranda, not in just like that, not because

657
00:27:27,385 --> 00:27:30,505
Speaker 1: of everything that happened with her then, but in Sex

658
00:27:30,545 --> 00:27:32,585
Speaker 1: and the City. I just and maybe now because that

659
00:27:32,785 --> 00:27:36,305
Speaker 1: whole kind of nineties and white two K's having a resurgence,

660
00:27:37,145 --> 00:27:39,105
Speaker 1: it maybe was a bit daggy back then, but I

661
00:27:39,105 --> 00:27:43,025
Speaker 1: don't know, Like it's just I just loved Miranda and

662
00:27:43,025 --> 00:27:45,305
Speaker 1: I love what she wore and I will always love her.

663
00:27:45,545 --> 00:27:45,945
Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 3: I love that Miranda had a huge resurgence with that

665
00:27:48,705 --> 00:27:50,465
Speaker 3: we should like with the every outfit girls writing that

666
00:27:50,505 --> 00:27:52,185
Speaker 3: we shoulll be Miranda's and all of a sudden everyone

667
00:27:52,265 --> 00:27:54,545
Speaker 3: loved her. Do you have a favorite Miranda look or

668
00:27:54,545 --> 00:27:55,385
Speaker 3: a favorite season?

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Speaker 1: Oh? My god, I mean I love I just love Steve.

670
00:27:58,985 --> 00:28:00,705
Speaker 1: I think I just like, I.

671
00:28:00,665 --> 00:28:03,225
Speaker 3: Actually just want to be Miranda and marry Steve, I know.

672
00:28:03,265 --> 00:28:04,825
Speaker 1: But then do I and then he gets really fit.

673
00:28:05,465 --> 00:28:06,985
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what it was, but there was

674
00:28:06,985 --> 00:28:10,745
Speaker 1: a few kind of brown blazes she wore, just from

675
00:28:10,745 --> 00:28:13,185
Speaker 1: what I remember, some good knits like you said as well, I.

676
00:28:13,185 --> 00:28:15,625
Speaker 3: Just autumn tone. She always looks gorgeous. Look.

677
00:28:15,625 --> 00:28:17,585
Speaker 1: If I could play with any of their wardrobes, I

678
00:28:17,585 --> 00:28:18,345
Speaker 1: wouldn't say no.

679
00:28:18,545 --> 00:28:32,825
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, it's very expensive. How Wandre.

680
00:28:35,145 --> 00:28:38,265
Speaker 1: Onto boogie and budget, my friend. So our vibe for

681
00:28:38,345 --> 00:28:41,465
Speaker 1: this episode is Sex and the City inspired something we

682
00:28:41,545 --> 00:28:43,945
Speaker 1: might have bought in the past or looking at or

683
00:28:44,065 --> 00:28:47,345
Speaker 1: just something that you know, like you say, inspired by

684
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Speaker 1: Sex and the city you can get to your fancy

685
00:28:49,305 --> 00:28:51,945
Speaker 1: events after work. I want to start with your boogie

686
00:28:52,025 --> 00:28:52,585
Speaker 1: or your budget.

687
00:28:52,825 --> 00:28:54,865
Speaker 3: I stuff my budget because I'll say my bougie is

688
00:28:54,865 --> 00:28:56,905
Speaker 3: like the dessert, yes and love it.

689
00:28:56,945 --> 00:28:57,705
Speaker 1: What's your budget?

690
00:28:57,785 --> 00:29:00,425
Speaker 3: So it's a skirt that I've recently purchased a second

691
00:29:00,585 --> 00:29:02,825
Speaker 3: one off. So I bought this skirt a few years ago.

692
00:29:03,225 --> 00:29:05,145
Speaker 3: And talking about the ten percent that you reached for

693
00:29:05,185 --> 00:29:07,465
Speaker 3: in your closet, I reached this multiple times a day,

694
00:29:07,745 --> 00:29:09,945
Speaker 3: to the point where when I do I have to

695
00:29:10,025 --> 00:29:12,305
Speaker 3: wash it, I'm sometimes in a panic. So recently the

696
00:29:12,345 --> 00:29:13,905
Speaker 3: other day I bought another one. I'm also like, what

697
00:29:13,945 --> 00:29:15,745
Speaker 3: if it gets lost on a plane or something and I.

698
00:29:15,705 --> 00:29:16,425
Speaker 2: Don't have it.

699
00:29:16,705 --> 00:29:18,905
Speaker 3: So it's the Solar skirt. So it's a long black

700
00:29:18,945 --> 00:29:22,785
Speaker 3: Maxi skirt from an Australian label called Fate Very Size Inclusive.

701
00:29:22,785 --> 00:29:24,545
Speaker 3: They've got to a size twenty four. Their stuff is

702
00:29:24,585 --> 00:29:27,145
Speaker 3: lovely and at the outset you might think like, oh,

703
00:29:27,145 --> 00:29:29,665
Speaker 3: a black Maxi skirt, that's not that Sex and the City.

704
00:29:29,905 --> 00:29:32,425
Speaker 3: But why I kind of and I guess it's also

705
00:29:32,465 --> 00:29:34,465
Speaker 3: something that all the different characters would wear. But the

706
00:29:34,505 --> 00:29:36,705
Speaker 3: reason I call it my Sex and the City piece

707
00:29:36,865 --> 00:29:39,265
Speaker 3: is that I use it to layer. It's almost not

708
00:29:39,305 --> 00:29:41,425
Speaker 3: those pieces that kind of fades away to nothing where

709
00:29:41,465 --> 00:29:44,065
Speaker 3: I layer, like the really fancy tops and the glittery

710
00:29:44,105 --> 00:29:46,985
Speaker 3: heels and the blaze right foundation, it's the foundation piece.

711
00:29:47,025 --> 00:29:48,745
Speaker 3: So yes, the Flora Solar skirt.

712
00:29:48,505 --> 00:29:50,425
Speaker 1: For your job. I have to just tell you. There's

713
00:29:50,465 --> 00:29:53,265
Speaker 1: an Australian brand called Dirt. It's kind of like a fabreeze,

714
00:29:53,305 --> 00:29:56,185
Speaker 1: but it's fancier and it smells like perfume. Okay, I

715
00:29:56,185 --> 00:29:58,665
Speaker 1: don't know about that, and it's antibacterial as well. It's

716
00:29:58,745 --> 00:30:00,065
Speaker 1: meant to be a travel spray for when you want

717
00:30:00,065 --> 00:30:02,625
Speaker 1: to wear you go again. Everything of mine is dirted.

718
00:30:02,745 --> 00:30:04,945
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound very sexy as a brand. Oh, we'll

719
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Speaker 1: put a link in the show notes the amount of

720
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Speaker 1: jackets I disprayed the pits or something. I pull it

721
00:30:09,265 --> 00:30:11,825
Speaker 1: up to wash, I go, oh, need to like not

722
00:30:11,865 --> 00:30:12,545
Speaker 1: it's filthy.

723
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Speaker 3: But yeah, we just in one more. You just in

724
00:30:15,065 --> 00:30:15,985
Speaker 3: one more wear that.

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00:30:15,905 --> 00:30:17,705
Speaker 1: Will change your life. Add that to your work order,

726
00:30:17,745 --> 00:30:20,025
Speaker 1: I will. Oh, yeah, it's very good. Good tip, all right,

727
00:30:20,105 --> 00:30:22,425
Speaker 1: my budget. Look, it's not that cheap. But it was

728
00:30:22,545 --> 00:30:26,785
Speaker 1: worn by Carrie in season two. She wore a very

729
00:30:26,985 --> 00:30:32,225
Speaker 1: iconic light blue, one shoulder, kind of rouchey dress. The

730
00:30:32,385 --> 00:30:35,465
Speaker 1: designer is Normal Kamali, and you can get it in

731
00:30:35,945 --> 00:30:38,985
Speaker 1: literally any color. About eight years ago, I bought it

732
00:30:39,025 --> 00:30:41,905
Speaker 1: on the out net when was on sale in lime green.

733
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Speaker 1: Don't ask me why. I think that color is particularly discounted,

734
00:30:45,985 --> 00:30:47,705
Speaker 1: and that's all I could haveoughd at the time. But

735
00:30:47,785 --> 00:30:49,505
Speaker 1: it's still around. You can get it for about one

736
00:30:49,545 --> 00:30:52,465
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty bucks on the out net. It's on

737
00:30:52,545 --> 00:30:55,625
Speaker 1: Netaporter at the moment. They make it every single season

738
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Speaker 1: in a jersey and then sort of more of a

739
00:30:58,145 --> 00:31:00,145
Speaker 1: slinky one. You can even get it in a leather.

740
00:31:00,545 --> 00:31:02,585
Speaker 1: So originally it's about four hundred, you can get for

741
00:31:02,665 --> 00:31:05,265
Speaker 1: like one hundred, one hundred and fifty dollars. I've still

742
00:31:05,265 --> 00:31:08,665
Speaker 1: got it. It's got a built in body suit leg thingy.

743
00:31:09,185 --> 00:31:11,865
Speaker 1: Not so I inclusive. From what I believe, it's French sizing.

744
00:31:12,585 --> 00:31:15,345
Speaker 1: But I'll have it forever. I've actually tried to wear

745
00:31:15,345 --> 00:31:17,385
Speaker 1: it recently again, but then I don't know. Maybe now

746
00:31:17,465 --> 00:31:19,945
Speaker 1: that we're back in this vibe, I love it. I

747
00:31:19,945 --> 00:31:21,505
Speaker 1: just we shouldn't get the green. But she wore it

748
00:31:21,545 --> 00:31:25,065
Speaker 1: in season two, which would have been washed nineteen ninety eight. Yes,

749
00:31:25,385 --> 00:31:26,945
Speaker 1: and normal Commal is still making it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love that. A truly timeless fashion.

751
00:31:29,345 --> 00:31:31,585
Speaker 1: I'm going to put in my archive, like with three

752
00:31:31,585 --> 00:31:35,705
Speaker 1: other things like sjp's massive archive. All Right, what's you bougie.

753
00:31:35,785 --> 00:31:37,425
Speaker 3: This is a new brand that's only come out in

754
00:31:37,465 --> 00:31:39,625
Speaker 3: the last year and it's called a Range and I

755
00:31:39,705 --> 00:31:42,265
Speaker 3: buy it fire asos, so unfortunately you can't try it on.

756
00:31:42,585 --> 00:31:44,785
Speaker 3: It's a UK brand, but it is the first time

757
00:31:44,785 --> 00:31:47,145
Speaker 3: I found a brand of plus size and they do

758
00:31:47,185 --> 00:31:49,465
Speaker 3: straight sizing two so three from a six to a thirty.

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00:31:49,625 --> 00:31:51,825
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's impressive, and just these.

760
00:31:51,745 --> 00:31:57,585
Speaker 3: Very opulent fashion moments, like beautiful studded gowns, lacecowns, sequence skirts.

761
00:31:57,585 --> 00:31:59,825
Speaker 3: It's a very opulent range and the first time I've

762
00:31:59,865 --> 00:32:03,225
Speaker 3: seen sort of Sex and the City inspired clothes from

763
00:32:03,265 --> 00:32:05,785
Speaker 3: a size six through to a size thirty at a

764
00:32:05,785 --> 00:32:09,105
Speaker 3: fairly reasonable price point from what it is. You know,

765
00:32:09,145 --> 00:32:11,145
Speaker 3: some of the pieces are at four hundred five hundred

766
00:32:11,225 --> 00:32:12,945
Speaker 3: dollars and then some of them more around one hundred

767
00:32:12,945 --> 00:32:15,705
Speaker 3: dollars range, but they have these like beautiful kind of

768
00:32:15,745 --> 00:32:19,625
Speaker 3: studded gowns and like silk gowns and beautiful lace tops

769
00:32:19,745 --> 00:32:24,385
Speaker 3: and this gold sequin skirt that is just this Sex

770
00:32:24,425 --> 00:32:26,465
Speaker 3: and the City dream. I've always had to wear something

771
00:32:26,465 --> 00:32:28,265
Speaker 3: that opulent behind it.

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00:32:28,385 --> 00:32:31,145
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you've bought a dress, anna buy the skirt.

773
00:32:31,425 --> 00:32:33,865
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna buy the skirt. It's so wildly

774
00:32:33,905 --> 00:32:36,625
Speaker 3: and practical. But I also just think I'm gonna wear

775
00:32:36,625 --> 00:32:38,705
Speaker 3: it to the office with like a white T shirt.

776
00:32:38,785 --> 00:32:40,025
Speaker 1: You have the most glamorous job.

777
00:32:40,905 --> 00:32:42,505
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna wear it to my next donk could

778
00:32:42,505 --> 00:32:44,385
Speaker 3: be more dressed up than the movies star I'm chatting

779
00:32:44,385 --> 00:32:46,985
Speaker 3: to so again, they have really beautiful basics and things,

780
00:32:47,025 --> 00:32:49,385
Speaker 3: but I think it is the I bought this like

781
00:32:49,545 --> 00:32:53,105
Speaker 3: studded kind of like a lime green long sleeved gown,

782
00:32:53,705 --> 00:32:55,945
Speaker 3: and all of these just really beautiful pieces that just

783
00:32:55,985 --> 00:32:58,945
Speaker 3: weren't available. So and I'm finding the quality from the

784
00:32:58,985 --> 00:33:00,825
Speaker 3: pieces I bought so far from that I've bought like

785
00:33:00,865 --> 00:33:03,865
Speaker 3: a lace top and a lace dress, the quality really beautiful,

786
00:33:03,905 --> 00:33:06,545
Speaker 3: the fit really beautiful. It's lovely to be able to

787
00:33:06,585 --> 00:33:08,345
Speaker 3: size up and down if you need, and just to

788
00:33:08,505 --> 00:33:11,185
Speaker 3: like wear something so special that feels like it came

789
00:33:11,265 --> 00:33:12,345
Speaker 3: from a designer showroom.

790
00:33:12,425 --> 00:33:12,745
Speaker 1: Yeah.

791
00:33:12,785 --> 00:33:14,545
Speaker 3: So Arrange is the brand.

792
00:33:14,345 --> 00:33:16,665
Speaker 1: Change, and it's on Aesos yes, amazing. Oh my god,

793
00:33:16,705 --> 00:33:17,625
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to have a look. I mean, you

794
00:33:17,625 --> 00:33:18,385
Speaker 1: show me a few pictures.

795
00:33:18,425 --> 00:33:20,105
Speaker 3: I need to see that. You got too excited.

796
00:33:20,305 --> 00:33:23,465
Speaker 1: No, I love it, Okay, my bougie. I would never buy,

797
00:33:23,785 --> 00:33:26,985
Speaker 1: but I just am fascinated and loved it. And it's

798
00:33:27,105 --> 00:33:30,825
Speaker 1: horrific and awful and so ugly. The J. W Anderson

799
00:33:31,065 --> 00:33:35,745
Speaker 1: pigeon clutch. Yes, so Kerry had this in season two

800
00:33:36,465 --> 00:33:39,985
Speaker 1: and just like that. I love JW. Andison. He is

801
00:33:40,025 --> 00:33:42,625
Speaker 1: a phenomenal designer and I have a few bags of

802
00:33:42,705 --> 00:33:47,105
Speaker 1: his before he became cool, when they're about six hundred dollars,

803
00:33:47,145 --> 00:33:48,305
Speaker 1: but then I'd wait for them to go on the

804
00:33:48,345 --> 00:33:50,945
Speaker 1: outnet and buy the color. No one wanted the three

805
00:33:51,465 --> 00:33:54,385
Speaker 1: Then she you know he's now he's the designer of

806
00:33:54,425 --> 00:33:57,025
Speaker 1: Dior or something. Now one of the big ones often

807
00:33:57,065 --> 00:33:59,665
Speaker 1: does a collaboration with Uniglow. There's one at the moment.

808
00:33:59,945 --> 00:34:04,865
Speaker 1: But this pigeon bag is exactly as it sounds. A small, hard,

809
00:34:05,505 --> 00:34:08,345
Speaker 1: almost like statue of a pigeon with a small little

810
00:34:08,345 --> 00:34:10,745
Speaker 1: bit that opens and you can put like one key

811
00:34:10,785 --> 00:34:13,145
Speaker 1: and maybe a left liner in it. So impractical, but

812
00:34:13,185 --> 00:34:17,025
Speaker 1: I think it speaks to where Carrie was at that point, like,

813
00:34:17,105 --> 00:34:20,025
Speaker 1: you know, she had lots of money, she didn't really

814
00:34:20,105 --> 00:34:22,545
Speaker 1: need to carry anything. Carrie famously never really liked a phone.

815
00:34:22,585 --> 00:34:24,025
Speaker 1: She didn't have to fit a phone in there. No,

816
00:34:24,625 --> 00:34:27,785
Speaker 1: but it's you know, well over a thousand dollars. Then, strangely,

817
00:34:27,865 --> 00:34:31,265
Speaker 1: given the name JWP, which is another designer I like

818
00:34:31,265 --> 00:34:34,425
Speaker 1: that makes more affordable bags, has done an almost exact

819
00:34:34,505 --> 00:34:37,545
Speaker 1: tube for a couple of hundred dollars. Confusing, there's two

820
00:34:37,625 --> 00:34:43,025
Speaker 1: JW's there, and also does a cat, a unicorn. You know,

821
00:34:43,265 --> 00:34:45,785
Speaker 1: lots of different strange animal bags. But we're seeing a

822
00:34:45,865 --> 00:34:51,225
Speaker 1: huge resurgence of these almost fantastical character tore bags and

823
00:34:51,265 --> 00:34:53,745
Speaker 1: it's just a bit of joy after you know, a

824
00:34:53,745 --> 00:34:56,305
Speaker 1: lot of seriousness in the world and you know, the

825
00:34:56,385 --> 00:34:59,345
Speaker 1: quiet luxury trend, which was lovely and I you know,

826
00:34:59,345 --> 00:35:01,705
Speaker 1: I dress quite classically, but it's a bit boring. I

827
00:35:01,785 --> 00:35:04,225
Speaker 1: just love looking at these things exactly. I'm never gonna

828
00:35:04,225 --> 00:35:07,465
Speaker 1: buy it. I just think it's kind of ridiculous. But

829
00:35:07,545 --> 00:35:10,665
Speaker 1: I love that there's art out there in fashion. And

830
00:35:10,745 --> 00:35:12,825
Speaker 1: if you don't want either of those, but you want

831
00:35:12,825 --> 00:35:15,825
Speaker 1: to get on the bag charm trend because everyone's wearing

832
00:35:15,865 --> 00:35:18,665
Speaker 1: sort of bag charms, get your regular good old black bag.

833
00:35:18,745 --> 00:35:21,665
Speaker 1: And then there's this really cute pigeon caring on Amazon

834
00:35:21,705 --> 00:35:23,425
Speaker 1: and it's cheapest chips. So we're gonna put all of

835
00:35:23,465 --> 00:35:25,905
Speaker 1: those in the show notes. But if you want a

836
00:35:25,905 --> 00:35:29,225
Speaker 1: pigeon to carry in some form, you've got three options.

837
00:35:29,265 --> 00:35:32,545
Speaker 3: Well I kind of do now. Well, so much joy

838
00:35:32,825 --> 00:35:34,865
Speaker 3: to carry a tiny pigeon in your hands.

839
00:35:35,065 --> 00:35:37,385
Speaker 1: As long as it's not a live like that woman

840
00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:40,865
Speaker 1: who kidnapped Love Seagull. Yeah, Laura, Oh my gosh, it's

841
00:35:40,905 --> 00:35:42,745
Speaker 1: such a wealth of knowledge. I do not know how

842
00:35:42,785 --> 00:35:44,865
Speaker 1: you fit all of that in your brain for every

843
00:35:44,905 --> 00:35:47,505
Speaker 1: show and movie and it's just phenomenal. So thank you

844
00:35:47,545 --> 00:35:48,745
Speaker 1: for joining me. That was awesome.

845
00:35:48,785 --> 00:35:50,785
Speaker 3: Oh thanks for having me to talk about the greatest

846
00:35:50,785 --> 00:35:51,505
Speaker 3: show on TV.

847
00:35:52,305 --> 00:35:54,505
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me, And don't forget.

848
00:35:54,545 --> 00:35:56,505
Speaker 1: If you want more fashion, you can follow us on

849
00:35:56,545 --> 00:35:59,065
Speaker 1: Instagram and we have our very own nothing to Wear

850
00:35:59,145 --> 00:36:00,945
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. And I'll see you next week.