1 00:00:10,614 --> 00:00:13,294 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,134 --> 00:00:17,214 Speaker 2: Mumma Mea acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 3 00:00:17,254 --> 00:00:19,054 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:22,974 --> 00:00:23,174 Speaker 1: Hi. 5 00:00:23,334 --> 00:00:26,654 Speaker 2: I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily news podcast, 6 00:00:26,694 --> 00:00:30,254 Speaker 2: The Quickie. Coming up today, we'll delve into the Netflix 7 00:00:30,294 --> 00:00:32,894 Speaker 2: documentary that sheds new light on the murder of little 8 00:00:32,974 --> 00:00:36,014 Speaker 2: John Benet Ramsay and why her dad will not stop 9 00:00:36,214 --> 00:00:39,534 Speaker 2: until her killer is found, and then Taylor and I 10 00:00:39,574 --> 00:00:41,854 Speaker 2: sit down to discuss them Aqueri Dictionary word of the 11 00:00:41,934 --> 00:00:45,774 Speaker 2: year one that neither of us who are almost chronically online. 12 00:00:45,614 --> 00:00:46,774 Speaker 1: Have ever heard before. 13 00:00:47,294 --> 00:00:49,654 Speaker 2: But first, here's the letters from the Quikie Newsroom, Monday, 14 00:00:49,654 --> 00:00:53,614 Speaker 2: December two. A former Israeli defense minister has accused Israel 15 00:00:53,654 --> 00:00:56,974 Speaker 2: of ethnic cleansing in the Gaza strip. Moshe ya Alon 16 00:00:57,094 --> 00:01:00,014 Speaker 2: says he's speaking on behalf of commanders deployed in northern 17 00:01:00,014 --> 00:01:03,814 Speaker 2: Gaza who are very concerned about the situation, saying Israel 18 00:01:03,854 --> 00:01:07,974 Speaker 2: plans to expel Palestinians from the region and establish Israeli settlements. 19 00:01:08,214 --> 00:01:10,814 Speaker 2: Ya Alon saying that those commanders are not only being 20 00:01:10,854 --> 00:01:14,094 Speaker 2: put in life threatening situations, but they're also facing moral 21 00:01:14,094 --> 00:01:17,654 Speaker 2: dilemmas and could even possibly face charges before the International 22 00:01:17,694 --> 00:01:21,174 Speaker 2: Criminal Court. The remarks were condemned by Prime Minister Benjamin 23 00:01:21,174 --> 00:01:25,654 Speaker 2: Netniahu's political party, who called it malicious lies. Meanwhile, Hamas 24 00:01:25,734 --> 00:01:28,654 Speaker 2: has held talks with Egyptian security officials in a fresh 25 00:01:28,654 --> 00:01:31,774 Speaker 2: push for a ceasefire in Gaza. Netanya, who is also 26 00:01:31,854 --> 00:01:34,534 Speaker 2: set to hold talks on the matter. White House National 27 00:01:34,574 --> 00:01:37,654 Speaker 2: Security Advisor Jake Sullivan says he believes the chances of 28 00:01:37,694 --> 00:01:41,374 Speaker 2: a ceasefire and hostage deal are now more likely. House 29 00:01:41,414 --> 00:01:44,654 Speaker 2: prices in both Sydney and Melbourne fell in recent data 30 00:01:44,774 --> 00:01:47,494 Speaker 2: as the housing market in Australia appears to be cooling 31 00:01:47,894 --> 00:01:50,894 Speaker 2: after almost two years of solid growth. Property data from 32 00:01:50,934 --> 00:01:54,774 Speaker 2: core Logic recorded a zero point one percent rise in November, 33 00:01:54,894 --> 00:01:58,654 Speaker 2: despite growing downturns gathering momentum in both Sydney and Melbourne. 34 00:01:58,734 --> 00:02:01,414 Speaker 2: The mid sized capitals and most of the regional rest 35 00:02:01,414 --> 00:02:04,374 Speaker 2: of state markets continue to show growth after twenty two 36 00:02:04,454 --> 00:02:07,294 Speaker 2: months of rises, but it does appear twenty twenty five 37 00:02:07,374 --> 00:02:10,174 Speaker 2: maybe shaping up to be a buyer's market. The weakening 38 00:02:10,174 --> 00:02:13,454 Speaker 2: housing trend is expected to continue until at least interest 39 00:02:13,574 --> 00:02:17,654 Speaker 2: rates are cut from today Australians living with enemytriosis will 40 00:02:17,654 --> 00:02:20,494 Speaker 2: have access to the first treatment subsidized by the federal 41 00:02:20,494 --> 00:02:23,854 Speaker 2: government in nearly thirty years. Vizayanne will now be available 42 00:02:23,854 --> 00:02:27,054 Speaker 2: on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. The drug, which contains the 43 00:02:27,094 --> 00:02:32,094 Speaker 2: progesterone hormone dianajest, works to prevent ovulation and menstruation, shrinking 44 00:02:32,134 --> 00:02:35,214 Speaker 2: and suppressing the growth of the abnormal uterine tissue that 45 00:02:35,294 --> 00:02:39,574 Speaker 2: grows outside of the uterus, a condition that can cause inflammation, scarring, 46 00:02:39,654 --> 00:02:43,254 Speaker 2: and painful adhesions that can join together internal organs. The 47 00:02:43,294 --> 00:02:45,854 Speaker 2: PBS subsidy will reduce the cost of the drug from 48 00:02:45,894 --> 00:02:48,614 Speaker 2: more than eight hundred dollars a year to around ninety 49 00:02:48,654 --> 00:02:51,974 Speaker 2: dollars for pension and concession cardholders and three hundred and 50 00:02:51,974 --> 00:02:55,534 Speaker 2: eighty for general patients. The age gap in Hollywood has 51 00:02:55,574 --> 00:02:59,054 Speaker 2: again captured netizen's attention, with actor Sean Penn stepping out 52 00:02:59,054 --> 00:03:02,094 Speaker 2: with his new girlfriend, who's thirty four years his junior, 53 00:03:02,174 --> 00:03:05,014 Speaker 2: on the red carpet of the Marrakesh Film Festival. Penn, 54 00:03:05,054 --> 00:03:07,534 Speaker 2: who was sixty four, was briefly married to Madonna in 55 00:03:07,574 --> 00:03:10,574 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. He then married fellow actor Robin Wrighton 56 00:03:10,654 --> 00:03:14,494 Speaker 2: had two children, Dylan who's thirty three and Hopper, who's thirty, 57 00:03:14,574 --> 00:03:17,494 Speaker 2: the same age as his new girlfriend Valeria Nikov, who's 58 00:03:17,534 --> 00:03:20,854 Speaker 2: a model and actor from Moldova Online. Commentary ranged from 59 00:03:20,894 --> 00:03:23,574 Speaker 2: people who thought she was either his daughter or granddaughter 60 00:03:23,894 --> 00:03:25,894 Speaker 2: to those who said age is just a number and 61 00:03:25,974 --> 00:03:27,894 Speaker 2: we need to get over it. That's what's going on 62 00:03:27,934 --> 00:03:30,254 Speaker 2: in the world today. Next, we remember a little girl 63 00:03:30,334 --> 00:03:32,894 Speaker 2: whose dad still hunts her killer nearly. 64 00:03:32,694 --> 00:03:34,174 Speaker 1: Thirty years after her death. 65 00:03:48,934 --> 00:03:52,054 Speaker 2: It's been almost thirty years since the world first heard 66 00:03:52,054 --> 00:03:55,894 Speaker 2: the name Jean Benet. Ramsay pictures of a little girl 67 00:03:55,974 --> 00:03:59,614 Speaker 2: dressed up while participating in children's beauty pageants, the smile 68 00:03:59,694 --> 00:04:01,974 Speaker 2: of an angelic six year old beaming out at us 69 00:04:01,974 --> 00:04:04,974 Speaker 2: from the front pages of newspapers and magazine covers. 70 00:04:05,894 --> 00:04:07,334 Speaker 1: But while the pictures told. 71 00:04:07,134 --> 00:04:09,694 Speaker 2: Of a happy little girl who loved to perform, her 72 00:04:09,814 --> 00:04:13,174 Speaker 2: story is one of darkness and tragedy, a murder which 73 00:04:13,214 --> 00:04:19,574 Speaker 2: to this day has not been solved. When Patsy Ramsey, 74 00:04:19,654 --> 00:04:22,374 Speaker 2: John Benet's mother, woke up on Boxing Day nineteen ninety 75 00:04:22,374 --> 00:04:25,534 Speaker 2: six and wandered downstairs to start the day, she had 76 00:04:25,614 --> 00:04:26,614 Speaker 2: no idea. 77 00:04:26,334 --> 00:04:27,694 Speaker 1: What she was about to walk into. 78 00:04:28,494 --> 00:04:31,934 Speaker 2: There'd been out the night before, celebrating Christmas with extended family, 79 00:04:32,214 --> 00:04:35,214 Speaker 2: getting home after nine pm with two exhausted young children. 80 00:04:35,814 --> 00:04:37,534 Speaker 2: As she walked down to the kitchen to put the 81 00:04:37,574 --> 00:04:39,774 Speaker 2: coffee on, something caught her eye. At the bottom of 82 00:04:39,774 --> 00:04:42,974 Speaker 2: the spiral staircase. Pieces of paper lined up on one 83 00:04:43,014 --> 00:04:46,654 Speaker 2: of the steps, deliberately placed so that they wouldn't be missed. 84 00:04:47,134 --> 00:04:53,694 Speaker 3: Started reading first couple of lines. I can't remember exactly 85 00:04:53,734 --> 00:04:59,094 Speaker 3: what the first few lines said. Somewhere it said we 86 00:04:59,174 --> 00:05:00,014 Speaker 3: have your daughter. 87 00:05:01,614 --> 00:05:03,134 Speaker 4: It clicked, you know. 88 00:05:04,894 --> 00:05:11,774 Speaker 3: Your daughter, and I just bounded back up steps and 89 00:05:11,814 --> 00:05:18,654 Speaker 3: through her door open. 90 00:05:15,414 --> 00:05:16,774 Speaker 1: And she was not in her men. 91 00:05:19,174 --> 00:05:24,214 Speaker 5: Mister Ramsey, listen carefully. We are a group of individuals 92 00:05:24,214 --> 00:05:29,254 Speaker 5: that represent a small foreign faction. We respect your business, 93 00:05:29,414 --> 00:05:33,014 Speaker 5: but not the country that it serves. At this time, 94 00:05:33,094 --> 00:05:36,254 Speaker 5: we have your daughter in our possession. She is safe 95 00:05:36,294 --> 00:05:38,974 Speaker 5: and unharmed, and if you want her to see nineteen 96 00:05:39,054 --> 00:05:42,294 Speaker 5: ninety seven, you must follow our instructions. 97 00:05:42,294 --> 00:05:46,054 Speaker 2: In the letter, they demanded John withdraw one hundred and 98 00:05:46,134 --> 00:05:48,854 Speaker 2: eighteen thousand dollars from his bank account, place it in 99 00:05:48,894 --> 00:05:51,254 Speaker 2: a brown paper bag, and await instructions. 100 00:05:51,854 --> 00:05:56,374 Speaker 5: Any deviation of my instructions will result in immediate execution. 101 00:05:56,574 --> 00:06:00,974 Speaker 5: Of your daughter. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such 102 00:06:01,014 --> 00:06:05,054 Speaker 5: as the police, FBI, et cetera. Will result in your 103 00:06:05,134 --> 00:06:08,574 Speaker 5: daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a 104 00:06:08,614 --> 00:06:13,054 Speaker 5: stray dog, if she dies. If you will mark bank authorities, 105 00:06:13,454 --> 00:06:17,454 Speaker 5: she dies. If the money is in any way marked 106 00:06:17,574 --> 00:06:19,854 Speaker 5: or tappered with, she dies. 107 00:06:21,774 --> 00:06:25,174 Speaker 2: The group claimed to be knowledgeable about law enforcement countermeasures 108 00:06:25,174 --> 00:06:28,054 Speaker 2: and tactics, telling John not to try and out smart them. 109 00:06:28,454 --> 00:06:32,014 Speaker 2: It was signed off with victory and the initials SBTC. 110 00:06:33,174 --> 00:06:37,134 Speaker 2: Police searched the house but turned up nothing, while also failing. 111 00:06:36,734 --> 00:06:38,734 Speaker 1: To properly seal off the property as a. 112 00:06:38,654 --> 00:06:41,454 Speaker 2: Potential crime scene, a move which many believe led to 113 00:06:41,494 --> 00:06:44,654 Speaker 2: evidence being lost in the crucial stages of this investigation 114 00:06:45,054 --> 00:06:48,814 Speaker 2: as multiple people moved around both inside and out. Later 115 00:06:48,894 --> 00:06:51,854 Speaker 2: that day, around one pm, one of the detectives asks 116 00:06:51,934 --> 00:06:54,294 Speaker 2: John and his friend to search the house top to 117 00:06:54,334 --> 00:06:57,694 Speaker 2: bottom and see if anything seems amiss. They head down 118 00:06:57,694 --> 00:07:00,694 Speaker 2: to the basement, where John discovers a suitcase placed under 119 00:07:00,694 --> 00:07:03,814 Speaker 2: a window which is open. He thinks it's strange. The 120 00:07:03,854 --> 00:07:06,334 Speaker 2: suitcase shouldn't be there. It's like it's been used as 121 00:07:06,374 --> 00:07:09,054 Speaker 2: a step to get up to the window. The basement 122 00:07:09,174 --> 00:07:12,054 Speaker 2: is split up into several rooms, so they continue the search. 123 00:07:12,654 --> 00:07:15,134 Speaker 6: The next place we went was another room in the basement. 124 00:07:16,294 --> 00:07:18,054 Speaker 6: We called it the line cellar, but there was no 125 00:07:18,094 --> 00:07:20,654 Speaker 6: wine and it was an old coal room. And immediately 126 00:07:20,654 --> 00:07:23,094 Speaker 6: her body was straight there in front of me. She 127 00:07:23,174 --> 00:07:25,614 Speaker 6: had tape over her mouth and her hands were tied 128 00:07:25,654 --> 00:07:28,734 Speaker 6: behind her back, and I immediately pulled the tape off, 129 00:07:29,134 --> 00:07:31,054 Speaker 6: and I tried to untie her hands, but the knot 130 00:07:31,214 --> 00:07:34,414 Speaker 6: was tied really tight. I couldn't get it undone, so 131 00:07:34,494 --> 00:07:36,654 Speaker 6: I just screamed, and I picked her up and carried 132 00:07:36,654 --> 00:07:39,054 Speaker 6: her upstairs, just to try. 133 00:07:38,894 --> 00:07:39,614 Speaker 4: To get her help. 134 00:07:40,534 --> 00:07:44,494 Speaker 6: The detectives looked for a pulse, looked at me sis 135 00:07:44,534 --> 00:07:45,014 Speaker 6: She's dead. 136 00:07:46,334 --> 00:07:49,494 Speaker 2: Six year old John Bane Ramsay had been strangled using 137 00:07:49,534 --> 00:07:52,254 Speaker 2: a garrote, which could be tightened using the broken end 138 00:07:52,294 --> 00:07:54,374 Speaker 2: of a paintbrush that had been in an art kit 139 00:07:54,414 --> 00:07:57,774 Speaker 2: in the basement. She also suffered a massive head injury. 140 00:07:58,214 --> 00:08:01,294 Speaker 2: These two things happened so closely together the coroner wasn't 141 00:08:01,334 --> 00:08:04,454 Speaker 2: able to establish which was the cause of death. She'd 142 00:08:04,494 --> 00:08:09,174 Speaker 2: also been sexually assaulted. From this moment, the media frenzy 143 00:08:09,214 --> 00:08:12,414 Speaker 2: began and questions were being asked of both the police 144 00:08:12,614 --> 00:08:16,454 Speaker 2: and the Ramses. Why didn't officers find the body when 145 00:08:16,494 --> 00:08:19,774 Speaker 2: they initially searched the home. Did John find her because 146 00:08:19,814 --> 00:08:23,134 Speaker 2: he knew she was there. Accusations were thrown at John 147 00:08:23,134 --> 00:08:26,174 Speaker 2: and Patsy that either or both were responsible for John 148 00:08:26,174 --> 00:08:29,934 Speaker 2: Benay's death. In April ninety seven, John and Patsy became 149 00:08:29,974 --> 00:08:33,774 Speaker 2: official suspects. A detective investigating the case was working on 150 00:08:33,814 --> 00:08:36,934 Speaker 2: the theory that Patsy became enraged with John Beney for 151 00:08:36,974 --> 00:08:40,174 Speaker 2: wetting the bed. He claims she then smashed John Benay's 152 00:08:40,214 --> 00:08:42,614 Speaker 2: head into the side of a bath tub before staging 153 00:08:42,654 --> 00:08:45,734 Speaker 2: the scene in the basement. That detective was later sued 154 00:08:45,734 --> 00:08:48,454 Speaker 2: by the Ramseyes in a civil case, and his testimony 155 00:08:48,494 --> 00:08:50,694 Speaker 2: revealed that no one had checked to see if the 156 00:08:50,694 --> 00:08:53,814 Speaker 2: bed was actually wet that first day. He would later 157 00:08:53,854 --> 00:08:56,414 Speaker 2: write a book outlining just how Patsy killed her daughter. 158 00:08:56,814 --> 00:08:59,134 Speaker 2: They sued him and the case was settled out of court. 159 00:09:00,214 --> 00:09:02,734 Speaker 2: A grand jury held over nineteen ninety eight ninety nine 160 00:09:02,854 --> 00:09:05,014 Speaker 2: led to the conclusion that there was not enough evidence 161 00:09:05,054 --> 00:09:08,494 Speaker 2: to lay official charges against the Ramses. But this Netflix 162 00:09:08,494 --> 00:09:12,294 Speaker 2: documentary that's exactly how the media was used to cast 163 00:09:12,334 --> 00:09:14,774 Speaker 2: a negative light on the family. In the hopes that 164 00:09:14,894 --> 00:09:19,174 Speaker 2: pressure would one day see them fold and confess. Police 165 00:09:19,174 --> 00:09:21,654 Speaker 2: began leaking information to journalists who ran. 166 00:09:21,654 --> 00:09:22,334 Speaker 1: Stories like that. 167 00:09:22,694 --> 00:09:25,214 Speaker 2: Police believed the murderer had to be someone inside the 168 00:09:25,254 --> 00:09:27,974 Speaker 2: house because there were no footprints in the snow outside. 169 00:09:28,534 --> 00:09:30,814 Speaker 5: No footprints in the snow, therefore no intruder. 170 00:09:31,134 --> 00:09:33,374 Speaker 7: Well, there was a reason why there was no footprints 171 00:09:33,414 --> 00:09:33,734 Speaker 7: in the snow. 172 00:09:33,734 --> 00:09:34,454 Speaker 4: There was no snow. 173 00:09:35,494 --> 00:09:39,414 Speaker 2: Another claimed John Ramsey had piloted his own private jet 174 00:09:39,494 --> 00:09:42,014 Speaker 2: to take his daughter's body back to Atlanta for burial. 175 00:09:42,574 --> 00:09:46,454 Speaker 4: I remember saying to my husband, what kind of person 176 00:09:47,054 --> 00:09:51,294 Speaker 4: is he? How could he do this when he's got 177 00:09:51,334 --> 00:09:54,494 Speaker 4: to be so distraught over the terrible way his daughter 178 00:09:54,574 --> 00:09:57,694 Speaker 4: died and the fact that she was murdered. How could 179 00:09:57,694 --> 00:10:01,014 Speaker 4: he fly his plane to Atlanta? They said, that just 180 00:10:01,054 --> 00:10:03,254 Speaker 4: doesn't make sense to me, and as what was going 181 00:10:03,294 --> 00:10:07,574 Speaker 4: to No, it doesn't. It wasn't true. John was not 182 00:10:08,214 --> 00:10:09,094 Speaker 4: piloting your jet. 183 00:10:09,894 --> 00:10:10,894 Speaker 1: Didn't have it yet. 184 00:10:12,014 --> 00:10:14,134 Speaker 2: But when the DNA results came back from the lab 185 00:10:14,214 --> 00:10:16,974 Speaker 2: who'd swabbed John Beney's underwear where there were some blood spots, 186 00:10:17,414 --> 00:10:20,654 Speaker 2: Police refused to share that information and no one leaked 187 00:10:20,654 --> 00:10:24,654 Speaker 2: it either. Something journalists say is strange because that's something 188 00:10:24,654 --> 00:10:27,214 Speaker 2: that would have almost certainly ruled John and Patsy out 189 00:10:27,214 --> 00:10:31,894 Speaker 2: as suspects. Despite four handwriting experts ruling out both John 190 00:10:31,934 --> 00:10:34,894 Speaker 2: and Patsy Ramsey as being the authors of the ransom note, 191 00:10:35,094 --> 00:10:38,214 Speaker 2: police leaked to the media that Patsy wrote it. They 192 00:10:38,294 --> 00:10:40,534 Speaker 2: leaked that the figure of one hundred and eighteen thousand 193 00:10:40,574 --> 00:10:43,374 Speaker 2: dollars that was asked for in the ransom note exactly 194 00:10:43,414 --> 00:10:46,334 Speaker 2: matched the annual bonus John Ramsey had earned that year, 195 00:10:46,854 --> 00:10:49,454 Speaker 2: but didn't explain that that information could have easily been 196 00:10:49,494 --> 00:10:52,934 Speaker 2: sourced from the paperwork sitting in John's offers. One of 197 00:10:53,014 --> 00:10:56,334 Speaker 2: the most shocking police leaks were around allegations John Beney 198 00:10:56,454 --> 00:10:58,534 Speaker 2: was the victim of child sexual abuse at the hands 199 00:10:58,534 --> 00:11:01,614 Speaker 2: of her father, Despite her pediatrician saying that there was 200 00:11:01,734 --> 00:11:05,294 Speaker 2: zero evidence of this, it was splashed across tabloids with 201 00:11:05,414 --> 00:11:09,614 Speaker 2: headlines like beauty Queen's nightmare life of sexual abuse. They 202 00:11:09,694 --> 00:11:12,214 Speaker 2: even tried to say that Beth, John's older daughter from 203 00:11:12,254 --> 00:11:14,614 Speaker 2: another marriage and who died in a car accident five 204 00:11:14,694 --> 00:11:18,894 Speaker 2: years before, was also sexually abused. His other daughter, Melinda, 205 00:11:19,214 --> 00:11:23,414 Speaker 2: categorically denied that this happened, but still the narrative continued, 206 00:11:24,054 --> 00:11:26,534 Speaker 2: People around the world had made their mind up based 207 00:11:26,574 --> 00:11:30,054 Speaker 2: on these stories, and they found the Ramses were guilty. 208 00:11:30,854 --> 00:11:33,974 Speaker 2: But what about other theories? There had been break ins 209 00:11:33,974 --> 00:11:36,414 Speaker 2: in the area where the Ramses lived, where young women 210 00:11:36,454 --> 00:11:39,054 Speaker 2: and girls had been sexually assaulted in their homes. In 211 00:11:39,094 --> 00:11:41,374 Speaker 2: one case, a woman woke to find a strange man 212 00:11:41,374 --> 00:11:44,094 Speaker 2: in her daughter's bedroom. That little girl went to the 213 00:11:44,094 --> 00:11:47,214 Speaker 2: same dance class as John Beney. There were theories that 214 00:11:47,254 --> 00:11:50,294 Speaker 2: someone possibly attending the beauty pageants that John Barney competed 215 00:11:50,294 --> 00:11:53,814 Speaker 2: in was a child predator. Some parents backed up that 216 00:11:53,894 --> 00:11:56,174 Speaker 2: sometimes there would be men in the crowd who weren't 217 00:11:56,174 --> 00:11:58,454 Speaker 2: there as a parent or relative of the children, and 218 00:11:58,494 --> 00:12:02,454 Speaker 2: they were suspect, But this wasn't followed up. The journalists 219 00:12:02,454 --> 00:12:04,534 Speaker 2: to do the interviews with John and Patsy back in 220 00:12:04,574 --> 00:12:07,294 Speaker 2: the nineties that you hear throughout the Netflix show said 221 00:12:07,294 --> 00:12:10,174 Speaker 2: ten years after John Beney's death, who was contacted by 222 00:12:10,174 --> 00:12:13,094 Speaker 2: a man who claimed to have been the perpetrator. After 223 00:12:13,174 --> 00:12:15,814 Speaker 2: years of correspondence with the man who called himself Taxes, 224 00:12:15,974 --> 00:12:18,134 Speaker 2: the journalist would work with police to track him. 225 00:12:18,054 --> 00:12:20,134 Speaker 7: Down, and then he asked, do you want to hear 226 00:12:20,174 --> 00:12:30,214 Speaker 7: my voice, and so I said, sure, we cheaved. I 227 00:12:30,254 --> 00:12:33,494 Speaker 7: believe eleven hours a conversation, all of which have been 228 00:12:33,534 --> 00:12:38,374 Speaker 7: listened in on by various intelligence agenses. And that was a. 229 00:12:38,454 --> 00:12:40,014 Speaker 6: Very very dark experience. 230 00:12:41,374 --> 00:12:43,374 Speaker 7: At what point did you decide you had to tell 231 00:12:43,414 --> 00:12:47,094 Speaker 7: me that you killed her? 232 00:12:47,614 --> 00:12:49,374 Speaker 4: But it's definitely implied, isn't it. 233 00:12:50,294 --> 00:12:52,134 Speaker 1: I can't can't. 234 00:12:51,974 --> 00:12:53,214 Speaker 3: Say that word kill. 235 00:12:54,974 --> 00:12:57,374 Speaker 2: He lived in the same area as the Ramses at 236 00:12:57,374 --> 00:12:59,734 Speaker 2: the time of John Benet's death. He'd been moved on 237 00:12:59,814 --> 00:13:03,174 Speaker 2: from his role as a substitute teacher after unacceptable behavior 238 00:13:03,214 --> 00:13:06,614 Speaker 2: with young students led to complaints from parents, and he'd 239 00:13:06,654 --> 00:13:09,974 Speaker 2: been charged with possession of child exploitation material before he 240 00:13:10,014 --> 00:13:13,374 Speaker 2: fled the country. Forty one year old John Mark Karr 241 00:13:13,894 --> 00:13:19,734 Speaker 2: brought into custody by Bangkok police on suspicion of premeditated murder. 242 00:13:23,374 --> 00:13:24,294 Speaker 5: Die accidentally. 243 00:13:25,374 --> 00:13:27,294 Speaker 2: Carr was brought back to the US after he was 244 00:13:27,374 --> 00:13:29,974 Speaker 2: arrested in Thailand, where he was working as an elementary 245 00:13:29,974 --> 00:13:33,214 Speaker 2: school teacher, but police said the DNA didn't match. 246 00:13:33,094 --> 00:13:33,974 Speaker 1: And he was released. 247 00:13:34,734 --> 00:13:37,774 Speaker 2: There are concerns that that DNA sample taken from John 248 00:13:37,814 --> 00:13:40,814 Speaker 2: Benet that day was not handled properly and could have 249 00:13:40,854 --> 00:13:44,094 Speaker 2: been contaminated there are calls for it to be retested. 250 00:13:43,654 --> 00:13:44,414 Speaker 1: By another lab. 251 00:13:45,214 --> 00:13:47,774 Speaker 2: A detective who was brought in later worked the theory 252 00:13:47,814 --> 00:13:50,414 Speaker 2: that an intruder entered the Ramsey home while they were 253 00:13:50,454 --> 00:13:54,454 Speaker 2: out celebrating Christmas, saying the intruder theory is the only one. 254 00:13:54,214 --> 00:13:54,934 Speaker 1: That makes sense. 255 00:13:55,374 --> 00:13:57,654 Speaker 2: In his audio tapes from the time, he says no 256 00:13:57,694 --> 00:14:00,854 Speaker 2: one wanted to listen, Carr had told the journalist that 257 00:14:00,894 --> 00:14:03,574 Speaker 2: he'd spent hours in the Ramsey house while they were out. 258 00:14:04,134 --> 00:14:05,814 Speaker 1: John Ramsey is eighty now. 259 00:14:06,214 --> 00:14:09,534 Speaker 2: Patsy Ramsey, who'd been in remission from ovarian cancer diagnosed 260 00:14:09,574 --> 00:14:12,414 Speaker 2: when John Barney was young, relapsed and died in two 261 00:14:12,454 --> 00:14:15,694 Speaker 2: thousand and six. John says many people said the same 262 00:14:15,734 --> 00:14:17,174 Speaker 2: thing to him after she passed. 263 00:14:17,574 --> 00:14:20,054 Speaker 6: We've been asked, you know, it's really too bad that 264 00:14:20,094 --> 00:14:24,974 Speaker 6: Patsy passed away without knowing who killed her child, and 265 00:14:25,294 --> 00:14:26,094 Speaker 6: she knows now. 266 00:14:26,214 --> 00:14:27,094 Speaker 5: I believe. 267 00:14:29,014 --> 00:14:31,294 Speaker 2: Had John Beney lived, she would have been thirty four 268 00:14:31,374 --> 00:14:34,294 Speaker 2: this year. And while John Ramsay, who still campaigns to 269 00:14:34,334 --> 00:14:36,854 Speaker 2: find out the truth about his daughter's death, knows his 270 00:14:36,894 --> 00:14:39,894 Speaker 2: own story, we now know not to believe everything we 271 00:14:40,014 --> 00:14:42,934 Speaker 2: read about the death of John Beney. You can find 272 00:14:42,934 --> 00:14:45,134 Speaker 2: a link to our colleague Tara Watson's story about John 273 00:14:45,174 --> 00:14:46,374 Speaker 2: Benay in our show notes. 274 00:14:47,414 --> 00:14:47,694 Speaker 1: Next. 275 00:14:47,814 --> 00:14:50,454 Speaker 2: Mccrori Dictionary release their word of the year recently and 276 00:14:50,534 --> 00:14:51,934 Speaker 2: it had a few of us here at Muma Mia 277 00:14:51,974 --> 00:14:52,854 Speaker 2: scratching our heads. 278 00:14:53,134 --> 00:14:55,254 Speaker 1: So Taylor Strano and I unpack. 279 00:14:54,934 --> 00:15:06,174 Speaker 2: What on earth their word of twenty twenty four means. 280 00:15:07,294 --> 00:15:09,014 Speaker 2: When we get to the final month of the year, 281 00:15:09,054 --> 00:15:11,894 Speaker 2: we'll start see things come through like your Spotify rap 282 00:15:11,934 --> 00:15:14,174 Speaker 2: for example. And let me just take this moment to 283 00:15:14,214 --> 00:15:16,214 Speaker 2: send thoughts and prayers to all the parents out there, 284 00:15:16,334 --> 00:15:18,974 Speaker 2: because my list will probably be full of roadblocks games 285 00:15:18,974 --> 00:15:22,254 Speaker 2: tunes this year, but also all the dictionary people start. 286 00:15:22,134 --> 00:15:24,214 Speaker 1: To release what they believe the word of the year 287 00:15:24,334 --> 00:15:26,254 Speaker 1: is now. In recent years, we've seen. 288 00:15:26,054 --> 00:15:28,694 Speaker 2: Words like cozy lives for the cost of living, crisis 289 00:15:29,014 --> 00:15:31,574 Speaker 2: teal to represent all the independents who sort of aligned 290 00:15:31,574 --> 00:15:34,854 Speaker 2: with the last federal election. There's been facts, Goblin mode, 291 00:15:34,854 --> 00:15:37,814 Speaker 2: and riz but McQuary Dictionary's choice for twenty twenty four 292 00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:40,414 Speaker 2: has left some of us stumped. Taylor Strano is the 293 00:15:40,454 --> 00:15:43,854 Speaker 2: Quokies executive producer. Taylor, what is the word and what 294 00:15:43,894 --> 00:15:44,414 Speaker 2: does it mean? 295 00:15:44,814 --> 00:15:45,014 Speaker 1: Yeah? 296 00:15:45,054 --> 00:15:47,614 Speaker 8: So Claire the word of the Year from Macquarie has 297 00:15:47,654 --> 00:15:49,254 Speaker 8: thrown both you and I for a loop, and I 298 00:15:49,254 --> 00:15:51,214 Speaker 8: think our Mamma Mere colleagues as well. 299 00:15:51,774 --> 00:15:53,374 Speaker 1: All right, everybody needs to brace themselves. 300 00:15:53,414 --> 00:15:55,174 Speaker 8: I don't want any giggles in the back. 301 00:15:54,974 --> 00:15:55,694 Speaker 1: Of the classroom. 302 00:15:55,734 --> 00:15:59,134 Speaker 8: The Macquarie Dictionary word of the Year is in shitification. 303 00:15:59,814 --> 00:16:01,694 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does have the word shit in it, which 304 00:16:01,734 --> 00:16:04,614 Speaker 2: does make it slightly funny, but we're all like, I 305 00:16:04,654 --> 00:16:08,294 Speaker 2: have never heard this word used in any context. But 306 00:16:09,134 --> 00:16:11,894 Speaker 2: with a little bit further research, I realized it's an 307 00:16:11,894 --> 00:16:15,694 Speaker 2: experience that is something that we all share. So the 308 00:16:15,734 --> 00:16:18,934 Speaker 2: author of a book called The Internet con used the 309 00:16:18,934 --> 00:16:23,054 Speaker 2: word in shitification to describe the dying digital platform. Now, 310 00:16:23,094 --> 00:16:26,614 Speaker 2: the way he phrased it was, at first, apps are 311 00:16:26,614 --> 00:16:29,614 Speaker 2: good to their users, then they abuse their users to 312 00:16:29,654 --> 00:16:32,454 Speaker 2: make it better for their business customers, and then they 313 00:16:32,494 --> 00:16:36,334 Speaker 2: abuse their business customers to claw back the value for themselves, 314 00:16:36,614 --> 00:16:40,374 Speaker 2: and then the platform dies. Now he's finished that sentence 315 00:16:40,414 --> 00:16:43,654 Speaker 2: off with we refer to that as in shitification, and 316 00:16:43,694 --> 00:16:45,854 Speaker 2: we could refer to that as like a digital platform 317 00:16:45,894 --> 00:16:48,414 Speaker 2: like Twitter, for example. Elon Musk has just come out 318 00:16:48,494 --> 00:16:51,174 Speaker 2: in the past few days saying how he understands maybe 319 00:16:51,174 --> 00:16:53,334 Speaker 2: it doesn't work as well as what he was hoping 320 00:16:53,454 --> 00:16:55,254 Speaker 2: it would work for. And there's been a mass exodus 321 00:16:55,294 --> 00:16:57,294 Speaker 2: since the Trump winn at the election as well. So 322 00:16:57,854 --> 00:17:00,934 Speaker 2: in certification essentially kind of means that, but it also 323 00:17:01,534 --> 00:17:05,094 Speaker 2: generally means kind of the in shitification of the world. 324 00:17:05,214 --> 00:17:08,014 Speaker 8: Right now, it's almost like coming full circle, but the 325 00:17:08,254 --> 00:17:10,334 Speaker 8: end of that circle is just dies off. 326 00:17:10,814 --> 00:17:13,694 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when we're referencing things like politics or the 327 00:17:13,774 --> 00:17:17,614 Speaker 2: economy or world events or climate, like, everything's just experienced 328 00:17:17,614 --> 00:17:18,694 Speaker 2: a bit of in shitification. 329 00:17:20,094 --> 00:17:22,414 Speaker 8: I think last year we called that languishing. 330 00:17:22,134 --> 00:17:25,494 Speaker 2: Languishing, but in certification kind of generally means it's like 331 00:17:25,694 --> 00:17:28,934 Speaker 2: on death stoor, it's time, it's ready to go. We've 332 00:17:28,974 --> 00:17:32,094 Speaker 2: gone too far, there's no cloring it back. In certification 333 00:17:32,214 --> 00:17:34,094 Speaker 2: is an interesting one because it's just not one that 334 00:17:34,134 --> 00:17:36,694 Speaker 2: we use very often. And I think normally these platforms 335 00:17:36,774 --> 00:17:40,494 Speaker 2: use like metrics to figure out what the best word 336 00:17:40,534 --> 00:17:42,774 Speaker 2: of the year is, like how often it's searched or 337 00:17:42,814 --> 00:17:45,694 Speaker 2: how often it's looked up on their particular dictionary platform. 338 00:17:45,774 --> 00:17:48,614 Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, absolutely so in certification and the way that 339 00:17:48,694 --> 00:17:51,134 Speaker 8: Macquarie Dictionary run their word of the year is a 340 00:17:51,174 --> 00:17:53,854 Speaker 8: committee selects it. It's got to be a new word 341 00:17:53,894 --> 00:17:56,694 Speaker 8: that's entered their dictionary in the last twelve months. But 342 00:17:56,854 --> 00:17:59,414 Speaker 8: some other places who put out a word of the 343 00:17:59,494 --> 00:18:02,454 Speaker 8: year also go off things like the metrics you've just mentioned, 344 00:18:02,854 --> 00:18:05,414 Speaker 8: how often it's googled or how often it's used online. 345 00:18:05,414 --> 00:18:07,934 Speaker 8: And that's exactly what dictionary dot com have done with 346 00:18:08,054 --> 00:18:08,934 Speaker 8: their word of the year. 347 00:18:09,534 --> 00:18:10,454 Speaker 1: So what if the year is. 348 00:18:10,854 --> 00:18:15,494 Speaker 8: Demure, which, of course we all know that word because 349 00:18:15,534 --> 00:18:17,574 Speaker 8: of the iconic jewels lebron TikTok. 350 00:18:17,974 --> 00:18:20,974 Speaker 9: You see how you do my makeup for work, very demure, 351 00:18:21,374 --> 00:18:23,854 Speaker 9: very mindful. I don't come to work with a green 352 00:18:23,934 --> 00:18:27,254 Speaker 9: cut crease. See how I look very presentable. The way 353 00:18:27,294 --> 00:18:29,334 Speaker 9: I came to the interview is the way I go 354 00:18:29,454 --> 00:18:31,814 Speaker 9: to the job. A lot of you girls go to 355 00:18:31,854 --> 00:18:34,414 Speaker 9: the interview looking like Marriage Simpson and go to the 356 00:18:34,494 --> 00:18:37,734 Speaker 9: job looking like Patty and smmer, not demure. 357 00:18:38,574 --> 00:18:41,254 Speaker 8: For the uninitiated, that jewels lebron TikTok blew up earlier 358 00:18:41,254 --> 00:18:43,374 Speaker 8: this year. The word demure, if it wasn't already on 359 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:46,094 Speaker 8: your radar or part of your everyday language, definitely became 360 00:18:46,174 --> 00:18:49,494 Speaker 8: so so. Traditionally, that's been used to describe those who 361 00:18:49,534 --> 00:18:52,614 Speaker 8: are reserved or quiet or modest and the new usage 362 00:18:52,734 --> 00:18:56,414 Speaker 8: spread through social media sort of as this refined or 363 00:18:56,454 --> 00:19:00,414 Speaker 8: sophisticated person in a workplace. The word demure had this 364 00:19:00,654 --> 00:19:03,614 Speaker 8: meteoric rise in usage, so dictionary dot com were able 365 00:19:03,654 --> 00:19:06,334 Speaker 8: to pinpoint they saw nearly a one thy two hundred 366 00:19:06,334 --> 00:19:09,454 Speaker 8: percent increase in the word in the digital web media 367 00:19:09,654 --> 00:19:11,774 Speaker 8: zone from the end of August when that TikTok first 368 00:19:11,774 --> 00:19:12,694 Speaker 8: popped up in all. 369 00:19:12,614 --> 00:19:13,334 Speaker 1: Of our feeds. 370 00:19:13,974 --> 00:19:17,214 Speaker 8: So they've used those kind of metrics to pinpoint their 371 00:19:17,214 --> 00:19:19,134 Speaker 8: word of the year, and a couple of Omama Mere 372 00:19:19,214 --> 00:19:23,094 Speaker 8: colleagues also pinned demure as their pick for word of 373 00:19:23,134 --> 00:19:23,814 Speaker 8: the year as well. 374 00:19:24,414 --> 00:19:26,894 Speaker 2: Okay, Taylor, what do we feel about Cambridge's word of 375 00:19:26,894 --> 00:19:29,894 Speaker 2: the year, because technically the word they've chosen is not 376 00:19:29,934 --> 00:19:32,374 Speaker 2: new to anyone's dictionary. In fact, it's been around I 377 00:19:32,374 --> 00:19:34,054 Speaker 2: think for about six hundred years. 378 00:19:34,294 --> 00:19:37,134 Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely not new to the dictionary, but maybe new 379 00:19:37,214 --> 00:19:41,214 Speaker 8: to being slipped into everyday conversation far more frequently. Cambridge 380 00:19:41,214 --> 00:19:44,974 Speaker 8: have picked manifest as their word of the year. So 381 00:19:45,254 --> 00:19:47,854 Speaker 8: if you don't know, to manifest is to put things 382 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:51,174 Speaker 8: out into the universe, to manifest them for yourself through visualization, 383 00:19:51,334 --> 00:19:54,054 Speaker 8: through affirmation. It's another one that could have been word 384 00:19:54,094 --> 00:19:57,534 Speaker 8: of the Year, hoping to make something come true for yourself. 385 00:19:57,854 --> 00:19:59,374 Speaker 8: I don't know about you, Clever. When I see the 386 00:19:59,374 --> 00:20:03,534 Speaker 8: word manifest, all my little brain goes to is the 387 00:20:03,534 --> 00:20:05,574 Speaker 8: succulent Chinese mealman. 388 00:20:07,334 --> 00:20:09,894 Speaker 1: Oh, I've forgotten about him. May he rest mp May 389 00:20:09,934 --> 00:20:11,574 Speaker 1: he rest in peace? Yes? 390 00:20:12,014 --> 00:20:15,414 Speaker 8: When he yells democracy manifest as he's being arrested outside 391 00:20:15,454 --> 00:20:17,294 Speaker 8: of Chinese restaurant, Yeah. 392 00:20:17,094 --> 00:20:23,694 Speaker 5: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest. What is the charge eating 393 00:20:23,734 --> 00:20:24,134 Speaker 5: a meal? 394 00:20:24,614 --> 00:20:28,814 Speaker 2: A succulent Chinese meal. It's really interesting that manifest has 395 00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:32,094 Speaker 2: kind of come out of the self help world in 396 00:20:32,134 --> 00:20:34,614 Speaker 2: the spiritualist world, because it's been something it's been around 397 00:20:34,654 --> 00:20:37,134 Speaker 2: for a long time. Remember when Oprah introduces to the 398 00:20:37,174 --> 00:20:39,694 Speaker 2: Secret and we all had to manifest a car parking 399 00:20:39,734 --> 00:20:41,854 Speaker 2: space close to the entrance or whatever it was we 400 00:20:41,854 --> 00:20:43,894 Speaker 2: were told to do at the time, something I still 401 00:20:43,894 --> 00:20:45,654 Speaker 2: weirdly do in my head every time I pull into 402 00:20:45,694 --> 00:20:46,294 Speaker 2: a car park. 403 00:20:46,454 --> 00:20:47,294 Speaker 1: Thanks Oprah. 404 00:20:47,334 --> 00:20:49,734 Speaker 2: But yeah, it's come out of that spiritual space and 405 00:20:49,814 --> 00:20:52,094 Speaker 2: is now so much more mainstream, and in fact, we're 406 00:20:52,134 --> 00:20:54,934 Speaker 2: using it like a verb, like we are manifesting things. 407 00:20:55,334 --> 00:20:57,254 Speaker 2: Athletes talk about it all the time, you know, they 408 00:20:57,334 --> 00:21:00,774 Speaker 2: manifested this win or they it's like a positive thinking 409 00:21:00,934 --> 00:21:04,014 Speaker 2: kind of attitude that you'll set yourself up for success 410 00:21:04,134 --> 00:21:07,014 Speaker 2: if you can visualize yourself being successful, which I guess 411 00:21:07,094 --> 00:21:08,974 Speaker 2: is you know it could be worse, but. 412 00:21:08,894 --> 00:21:10,894 Speaker 8: Also true of the times. I feel like this year 413 00:21:10,894 --> 00:21:14,094 Speaker 8: more than any other previously, we have seen the rise 414 00:21:14,254 --> 00:21:18,494 Speaker 8: in self help gurus, in manifesting, of course, in looking 415 00:21:18,574 --> 00:21:20,854 Speaker 8: inward of how you can get the best out for yourself, 416 00:21:20,894 --> 00:21:23,574 Speaker 8: and of course with that comes the rise of podcast 417 00:21:23,654 --> 00:21:27,134 Speaker 8: guru hosts, which we have done many an investigation here 418 00:21:27,174 --> 00:21:30,534 Speaker 8: at the Quickie. One that doesn't surprise me at all 419 00:21:30,654 --> 00:21:33,734 Speaker 8: is Colin's Dictionaries word of the Year. Any guess as to. 420 00:21:33,654 --> 00:21:35,334 Speaker 1: What this one might be? I have no idea. I 421 00:21:35,334 --> 00:21:40,974 Speaker 1: didn't see Collins. Okay, it's bratt, of course it is so. 422 00:21:41,254 --> 00:21:43,294 Speaker 2: Kamala Harris had a brat summer. It did not work 423 00:21:43,334 --> 00:21:45,134 Speaker 2: out well for her, but that's okay. 424 00:21:44,894 --> 00:21:47,054 Speaker 8: It didn't. But it did work out for Charlie XCX, 425 00:21:47,054 --> 00:21:49,414 Speaker 8: who released an album this year called Bratt. It became 426 00:21:49,494 --> 00:21:53,334 Speaker 8: its own life force. Of course, the word bratt referring 427 00:21:53,374 --> 00:21:56,414 Speaker 8: to bratty children or naughty children, or if you act 428 00:21:56,454 --> 00:21:58,774 Speaker 8: like a brat but she brought it and embraced it, 429 00:21:58,814 --> 00:22:00,894 Speaker 8: and it took on this whole new meaning and a 430 00:22:00,894 --> 00:22:04,094 Speaker 8: cultural phenomenon was born out of her album Brat. It 431 00:22:04,174 --> 00:22:06,094 Speaker 8: really resonated I think with a lot of gen Z, 432 00:22:06,174 --> 00:22:08,414 Speaker 8: a lot of Jennelfa, and even the millennials as well. 433 00:22:08,734 --> 00:22:10,934 Speaker 8: Maybe you're listening and you're a baby Boom and you're thinking, 434 00:22:10,974 --> 00:22:12,814 Speaker 8: I feel Bratt and that's great too. 435 00:22:13,774 --> 00:22:13,974 Speaker 4: Ah. 436 00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:17,774 Speaker 2: Also interesting that Bratt came with a color like whenever 437 00:22:17,814 --> 00:22:20,134 Speaker 2: you see the word bratt, now your brain automatically knows. 438 00:22:20,294 --> 00:22:21,934 Speaker 8: I'm so glad you brought this up because I did 439 00:22:22,014 --> 00:22:23,774 Speaker 8: note while we're doing Word of the Year, I wanted 440 00:22:23,774 --> 00:22:25,374 Speaker 8: to know what the color of the year was, so 441 00:22:25,414 --> 00:22:25,774 Speaker 8: I checked. 442 00:22:25,814 --> 00:22:28,054 Speaker 1: It's got to be bratt green. Sure well, I checked. 443 00:22:27,774 --> 00:22:30,494 Speaker 8: Pantone, Claire, and they've dubbed the color of the year 444 00:22:30,534 --> 00:22:32,334 Speaker 8: as peach fuzz, not bright green. 445 00:22:33,014 --> 00:22:36,494 Speaker 2: No Pantone, it is definitely bratt green. I'm sorry to 446 00:22:36,534 --> 00:22:38,774 Speaker 2: disagree with you, but just finally, can we touch on 447 00:22:38,934 --> 00:22:41,134 Speaker 2: the Oxford Word of the Year. It's quite a list, 448 00:22:41,414 --> 00:22:43,654 Speaker 2: and one that includes a word that is so close 449 00:22:43,694 --> 00:22:45,814 Speaker 2: to my heart. Anyone who knows me knows I love 450 00:22:45,814 --> 00:22:47,814 Speaker 2: a bit of fairy smart, and I'm so excited that 451 00:22:47,934 --> 00:22:51,294 Speaker 2: romanticy is one of their words up for consideration this year, 452 00:22:51,334 --> 00:22:53,654 Speaker 2: which is you're not aware is a crossover between a 453 00:22:53,734 --> 00:22:56,854 Speaker 2: romance and a fantasy novel, So think like dragons and 454 00:22:56,894 --> 00:22:59,934 Speaker 2: magic and fairies, but also like falling in love and 455 00:22:59,974 --> 00:23:00,494 Speaker 2: sexy time. 456 00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:03,574 Speaker 8: I feel like you may have single handedly bribed the 457 00:23:03,654 --> 00:23:08,254 Speaker 8: Oxford Dictionary Committee to include this as an option. Yeah, 458 00:23:08,294 --> 00:23:10,774 Speaker 8: so they have it up for on their website right now. 459 00:23:10,974 --> 00:23:12,814 Speaker 8: Romanticy is one of the words. There are a couple 460 00:23:12,854 --> 00:23:15,254 Speaker 8: of others, though, slop is one that stands out to me. 461 00:23:15,494 --> 00:23:17,214 Speaker 2: Now you and I had to actually look this up 462 00:23:17,414 --> 00:23:19,534 Speaker 2: because yes, neither of us were quite fully aware of 463 00:23:19,534 --> 00:23:21,574 Speaker 2: what slop was referring to, but we have figured it 464 00:23:21,614 --> 00:23:21,974 Speaker 2: out now. 465 00:23:22,094 --> 00:23:24,334 Speaker 8: No, but in true fashion of twenty twenty four, it 466 00:23:24,454 --> 00:23:27,294 Speaker 8: refers to being online, which a lot of these words 467 00:23:27,374 --> 00:23:30,374 Speaker 8: also do. So slot refers to the content that you 468 00:23:30,454 --> 00:23:33,334 Speaker 8: see online, which is of low quality. It's in authentic 469 00:23:33,454 --> 00:23:37,734 Speaker 8: or inaccurate, specifically stuff that's been generated by AI, which 470 00:23:37,774 --> 00:23:38,854 Speaker 8: is quite terrifying. 471 00:23:39,134 --> 00:23:41,774 Speaker 2: And this kind of aligns with I think it was 472 00:23:42,414 --> 00:23:45,174 Speaker 2: Cambridge's word of the Year last year, which was hallucinate, 473 00:23:45,534 --> 00:23:47,494 Speaker 2: which is also another word that's been around forever in 474 00:23:47,534 --> 00:23:50,734 Speaker 2: a day, but in its current context, it means chatbots 475 00:23:50,774 --> 00:23:52,934 Speaker 2: that you're speaking to all the time or AI generated 476 00:23:52,974 --> 00:23:56,454 Speaker 2: content where they just start giving you completely incorrect or 477 00:23:56,494 --> 00:23:59,654 Speaker 2: factually incorrect information. And it's just like the chatbots are 478 00:23:59,694 --> 00:24:02,254 Speaker 2: hallucinating again, and they're all just like coming up with 479 00:24:02,294 --> 00:24:02,974 Speaker 2: these new. 480 00:24:02,854 --> 00:24:04,614 Speaker 1: Wild ideas as to what's reality. 481 00:24:04,734 --> 00:24:07,814 Speaker 2: So I think AI is playing quite a role in 482 00:24:07,894 --> 00:24:10,854 Speaker 2: our falling out of love maybe with the Internet, because 483 00:24:11,054 --> 00:24:13,854 Speaker 2: you know, if we've got slop, which is just this 484 00:24:14,094 --> 00:24:17,814 Speaker 2: lazy AI generated stuff coming our way constantly, then you 485 00:24:17,854 --> 00:24:20,214 Speaker 2: know we're going to get tired of it eventually. 486 00:24:19,814 --> 00:24:21,014 Speaker 1: Right, Oh, absolutely. 487 00:24:21,054 --> 00:24:23,294 Speaker 8: And on a similar note, brain rot is another option 488 00:24:23,414 --> 00:24:26,614 Speaker 8: in the Oxford Dictionary lineup this year, which refers to 489 00:24:26,854 --> 00:24:29,414 Speaker 8: basically the decaying of your brain because you've watched too 490 00:24:29,494 --> 00:24:31,174 Speaker 8: much stuff online. 491 00:24:30,814 --> 00:24:33,414 Speaker 2: But also like low quality stuff, and we're talking about 492 00:24:33,454 --> 00:24:37,214 Speaker 2: like kids watching skibbety toilet videos or like, you know, 493 00:24:37,334 --> 00:24:40,934 Speaker 2: just that real crap, low fi garbage that we get 494 00:24:40,974 --> 00:24:43,254 Speaker 2: served quite a bit these days. And that's another thing 495 00:24:43,294 --> 00:24:46,694 Speaker 2: to HARKing back to in sittification is you just want to. 496 00:24:46,654 --> 00:24:47,894 Speaker 8: Keep saying the words I actually love. 497 00:24:47,894 --> 00:24:49,054 Speaker 1: Saying the word in shitification. 498 00:24:49,214 --> 00:24:52,094 Speaker 2: It also goes towards the social media platforms that have changed. 499 00:24:52,094 --> 00:24:54,574 Speaker 2: Probably you've noticed over the last couple of years. Remember 500 00:24:54,574 --> 00:24:55,814 Speaker 2: back in the day, it used to be like who 501 00:24:55,814 --> 00:24:57,734 Speaker 2: you followed was who you got served, and you got 502 00:24:57,734 --> 00:25:01,294 Speaker 2: their content. That's so not even a thing anymore. You 503 00:25:01,414 --> 00:25:05,694 Speaker 2: get all these sponsored links and suggested content just you know, 504 00:25:05,774 --> 00:25:08,694 Speaker 2: your algorithms just feeding you all kinds of rubbish. It 505 00:25:08,694 --> 00:25:10,414 Speaker 2: It's like, what are to the days where I just 506 00:25:10,454 --> 00:25:12,854 Speaker 2: wanted to know what, like Melanie had for breakfast today 507 00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:15,534 Speaker 2: my old mat from high school, And now like I've 508 00:25:15,574 --> 00:25:18,934 Speaker 2: got no idea if Melanie is still alive anymore, because 509 00:25:18,974 --> 00:25:20,854 Speaker 2: someone please check on Melanie. 510 00:25:20,894 --> 00:25:22,374 Speaker 1: Someone check on Melody, please. 511 00:25:22,454 --> 00:25:25,134 Speaker 2: But some of the other interesting words, they've also got 512 00:25:25,134 --> 00:25:28,534 Speaker 2: demure on their list. But one that's come in which 513 00:25:28,574 --> 00:25:31,254 Speaker 2: I think has really taken off because of ticket pricing 514 00:25:31,334 --> 00:25:34,974 Speaker 2: this year is dynamic pricing. Yes, now, this is something 515 00:25:34,974 --> 00:25:37,374 Speaker 2: that airlines have been doing forever. In a day, you know, 516 00:25:37,414 --> 00:25:39,934 Speaker 2: how like there'll be a certain amount of seats at 517 00:25:40,134 --> 00:25:42,254 Speaker 2: one hundred dollars and once they go, the next lot 518 00:25:42,254 --> 00:25:44,254 Speaker 2: of seats are three hundred dollars, and then it goes 519 00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:46,574 Speaker 2: up to one thousand dollars and so that is called 520 00:25:46,654 --> 00:25:49,254 Speaker 2: dynamic pricing. And it happened with the release of the 521 00:25:49,254 --> 00:25:52,614 Speaker 2: Oasis tickets and there were people who were waiting in 522 00:25:52,734 --> 00:25:55,974 Speaker 2: like massive queues. Some people are getting tickets for one 523 00:25:56,014 --> 00:25:58,214 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five bucks and some people are paying 524 00:25:58,374 --> 00:26:00,814 Speaker 2: thousands for them, just depending on how quickly they got 525 00:26:00,854 --> 00:26:02,694 Speaker 2: through that queue. I mean, they're all buying tickets to 526 00:26:02,774 --> 00:26:03,854 Speaker 2: the same thing essentially. 527 00:26:04,374 --> 00:26:07,334 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just another reflection of the cozy lives sort 528 00:26:07,374 --> 00:26:09,374 Speaker 8: of times that we do in fact live in. And 529 00:26:09,734 --> 00:26:11,854 Speaker 8: that was a Word of the Year last year too, 530 00:26:12,494 --> 00:26:15,494 Speaker 8: A wonderful see potentially the end of dynamic pricing if 531 00:26:15,494 --> 00:26:17,814 Speaker 8: there's enough of an uproar. The other one on here 532 00:26:17,854 --> 00:26:20,494 Speaker 8: as well is law. And I'm kind of disappointed as 533 00:26:20,534 --> 00:26:22,694 Speaker 8: the wrong word because I really thought errors was gonna 534 00:26:22,694 --> 00:26:25,694 Speaker 8: make the cut this year given the Taylor Swift. 535 00:26:25,854 --> 00:26:28,254 Speaker 2: What is still kind of like Taylor Swift adjacent And 536 00:26:28,294 --> 00:26:32,134 Speaker 2: it's LAWA is in lore rather than law, yes, and 537 00:26:32,174 --> 00:26:35,334 Speaker 2: this is basically origin stories, right, yeah, So law is. 538 00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:38,814 Speaker 8: The background, the body, the context, the origin story, if 539 00:26:38,814 --> 00:26:41,054 Speaker 8: you will, of a person or a place or a thing. 540 00:26:41,174 --> 00:26:44,574 Speaker 8: So Taylor Swift, I feel like has many laws attached 541 00:26:44,574 --> 00:26:44,854 Speaker 8: to her. 542 00:26:44,974 --> 00:26:47,014 Speaker 2: God, have you heard of the yellow brick road theory yet? 543 00:26:47,054 --> 00:26:48,814 Speaker 2: If not, I'm not getting into it right now. You 544 00:26:48,854 --> 00:26:51,974 Speaker 2: need to go online and decipher what that means for yourself. 545 00:26:52,014 --> 00:26:53,854 Speaker 1: There is a lot of law around Taylor Swift. 546 00:26:54,174 --> 00:26:56,214 Speaker 2: I have to say though, after this conversation, going into 547 00:26:56,294 --> 00:26:58,614 Speaker 2: this chat with you, Taylor, I was all like, in shitification, 548 00:26:58,734 --> 00:27:00,694 Speaker 2: how can a word I've never heard of be the 549 00:27:00,734 --> 00:27:02,414 Speaker 2: word of the year. But now that I kind of 550 00:27:02,494 --> 00:27:04,614 Speaker 2: understand its context and have kind of talked it out, 551 00:27:05,054 --> 00:27:06,614 Speaker 2: I'm kind of liking in shitification. 552 00:27:06,774 --> 00:27:09,814 Speaker 8: Claire, in shitification has been there all along, know what 553 00:27:09,894 --> 00:27:10,414 Speaker 8: to caull it. 554 00:27:11,334 --> 00:27:14,134 Speaker 2: We just didn't have a word for it. Thank you, Macquarie. 555 00:27:16,014 --> 00:27:17,774 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time to feed your mind with 556 00:27:17,854 --> 00:27:20,374 Speaker 2: us today. The quickie is produced by me, Claire Murphy 557 00:27:20,374 --> 00:27:23,574 Speaker 2: and our executive producer Taylor Strano, with audio production by 558 00:27:23,574 --> 00:27:24,414 Speaker 2: Teak and Sad Luck.