WEBVTT - Anna Grosman Owns A Male Escort Agency (Part 1) 0:00:10.365 --> 0:00:15.005 You're listening to a MoMA mea podcast. Mama Miya acknowledges 0:00:15.045 --> 0:00:17.685 the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 0:00:17.765 --> 0:00:21.245 is recorded on. Hi. 0:00:22.005 --> 0:00:24.605 My name is Sebastian. I was born in Australia and 0:00:24.685 --> 0:00:28.285 cherished my strong Spanish heritage. When I'm not at the gym, 0:00:28.485 --> 0:00:30.845 you can often find me meditating in a serene forest. 0:00:31.525 --> 0:00:33.845 At first glance, people might label me as a bad 0:00:33.925 --> 0:00:37.805 boy because of my tattoos. However, I surprise many with 0:00:37.885 --> 0:00:38.685 my old school. 0:00:38.485 --> 0:00:41.845 Value from momma. I'm Meya Friedman and don't worry, this 0:00:42.085 --> 0:00:45.885 is no filter. You haven't stumbled into the wrong podcast. 0:00:46.405 --> 0:00:50.005 I'm James. I can't think of anything more exciting than 0:00:50.045 --> 0:00:52.445 the thought of finding ways to enjoy the pleasure of 0:00:52.445 --> 0:00:56.325 being truly present together, whether it's cuddling to a film 0:00:56.525 --> 0:00:59.525 or exploring something more sensual together. 0:00:59.805 --> 0:01:02.325 Will that's the voice of James that you just heard. 0:01:02.685 --> 0:01:05.605 He is a male escort who works for an agency 0:01:05.645 --> 0:01:10.325 called Her Confidant, which matches female clients with male escorts 0:01:10.325 --> 0:01:15.005 for all kinds of reasons, but mostly for sex. Her 0:01:15.045 --> 0:01:18.045 Confidante was founded by Anna Grossman, who is my guest 0:01:18.085 --> 0:01:21.125 today and the conversation you're about to hear between the 0:01:21.125 --> 0:01:24.045 two of us is going to challenge your beliefs and 0:01:24.085 --> 0:01:28.325 your ideas and maybe your prejudices or preconceptions around sex 0:01:28.405 --> 0:01:34.125 work and intimacy and pleasure. When you think about what 0:01:34.205 --> 0:01:37.205 the owner of an escort agency might be like, Anna 0:01:37.365 --> 0:01:41.205 really doesn't fit that stereotype. She has a great origin 0:01:41.245 --> 0:01:43.765 story that you're going to love, and as you're about 0:01:43.765 --> 0:01:46.885 to hear, the men who work for her also aren't 0:01:47.165 --> 0:01:50.445 what you might expect. In fact, it might surprise you 0:01:50.485 --> 0:01:53.405 to learn that nobody in this story is a stereotype, 0:01:53.845 --> 0:01:57.365 because people are not stereotypes. Not Anna, not the male 0:01:57.485 --> 0:02:00.245 escorts whose voices you're going to hear throughout the episode, 0:02:00.725 --> 0:02:03.645 and not the women who pay for their services. You're 0:02:03.645 --> 0:02:06.565 going to meet one of them too, because the sex industry, 0:02:06.925 --> 0:02:10.325 like every other profession, is a word place full of 0:02:10.325 --> 0:02:14.645 regular people whose jobs just happen to revolve around sex. 0:02:15.765 --> 0:02:18.645 There are many reasons, as I said, why women hire 0:02:18.765 --> 0:02:21.765 male escorts. And what I didn't expect when I sat 0:02:21.805 --> 0:02:24.405 down to talk with Anna and then a woman will 0:02:24.445 --> 0:02:28.645 call Alexandra, who is one of our's clients, what I 0:02:28.685 --> 0:02:30.925 really didn't expect is to learn so much about the 0:02:30.925 --> 0:02:36.725 emotional side of it also sure the sex. But Anna 0:02:36.845 --> 0:02:39.405 joined me via zoom, and if I'd expected her to 0:02:39.445 --> 0:02:43.285 be all leather and cleavage and mood lighting, I would 0:02:43.325 --> 0:02:46.645 have been very disappointed because she was sitting at an 0:02:46.765 --> 0:02:50.805 ordinary table in an ordinary suburban home her home, dressed 0:02:50.805 --> 0:02:52.885 like any other woman my age that you might see 0:02:53.005 --> 0:02:55.885 in the street. And that's what sparked my first question, 0:02:56.365 --> 0:02:59.765 what kind of career path leads you to owning a 0:02:59.805 --> 0:03:01.005 male escort agency. 0:03:03.245 --> 0:03:06.685 I was quite curious and sexually curious from a very 0:03:06.725 --> 0:03:11.045 young age. Grew up on a very conservative household, so 0:03:11.285 --> 0:03:14.565 really couldn't show it, kept it sort of under wraps. 0:03:14.845 --> 0:03:18.165 And then I think when I became around sixteen, I say, 0:03:18.205 --> 0:03:21.885 that's when I dropped my balls, my brawls. I became 0:03:22.045 --> 0:03:25.485 very sort of aware the boys were looking at me, 0:03:26.245 --> 0:03:30.565 boyfriends were starting to happen. And yeah, I've just always 0:03:30.565 --> 0:03:34.885 been open minded because I think it's been so shamed for, 0:03:35.245 --> 0:03:38.445 you know, most of my younger life. I I just 0:03:38.485 --> 0:03:40.925 think it's such an important part of our lives to 0:03:40.965 --> 0:03:43.485 express ourselves, to enjoy it, to have fun with it. 0:03:44.165 --> 0:03:46.765 I think probably from the age of sixteen seventeen, I've 0:03:46.845 --> 0:03:48.285 just been really enjoying it. 0:03:48.805 --> 0:03:51.405 That's lovely, because I think most women our age. I 0:03:51.445 --> 0:03:54.405 think it's probably different maybe with Gen Z's and even 0:03:54.405 --> 0:03:58.845 maybe millennials. I'm not sure. But sex positivity wasn't a 0:03:58.885 --> 0:04:01.525 thing when we grew up as gen x's. In fact, 0:04:01.605 --> 0:04:07.005 it was the opposite. Sex for us was completely associated 0:04:07.085 --> 0:04:11.085 with death actually because of AIDS epidemic and HIV and 0:04:11.965 --> 0:04:14.605 save sex and you have sex and it could kill you, 0:04:14.645 --> 0:04:17.565 and the grim Reaper and all of those things. So 0:04:17.845 --> 0:04:20.805 I grew up. You know, I remember the first time 0:04:20.845 --> 0:04:24.845 I had sex, the condom broke and I was convinced 0:04:24.885 --> 0:04:27.445 that I was you know, even before I had sex, 0:04:27.485 --> 0:04:30.245 I thought maybe that I was either pregnant or I 0:04:30.365 --> 0:04:34.005 might have caught an STD or maybe even HIV. Yeah, 0:04:34.085 --> 0:04:37.525 I was very fearful of sex. I guess it certainly 0:04:37.645 --> 0:04:42.805 wasn't the free love ideas that our boomer parents had. 0:04:43.765 --> 0:04:45.925 What was it like for you? Where did you? Where 0:04:45.925 --> 0:04:50.125 did you learn to be sex positive in a generation 0:04:50.245 --> 0:04:52.245 that generally wasn't. 0:04:51.925 --> 0:04:55.045 Through magazines like Dolly. You'd read about and you know, 0:04:55.125 --> 0:04:57.965 did Dolly people would write in and the Cleos and 0:04:58.005 --> 0:05:01.725 the Cosmos. Plus I found a little sex book at 0:05:01.725 --> 0:05:04.005 home in my parents' bedroom. 0:05:04.045 --> 0:05:05.445 What was it. 0:05:05.445 --> 0:05:08.005 It was just pictures of men and women in different 0:05:08.045 --> 0:05:11.325 positions of very sensual and so I sort of. 0:05:11.285 --> 0:05:14.085 It was probably the joy of sex when they were 0:05:14.125 --> 0:05:16.165 all quite they were all quite hairy. 0:05:16.525 --> 0:05:20.405 Yeah, everything was there, definitely, and it was just pictures. 0:05:20.405 --> 0:05:23.085 There's nothing more than that. And I just always found 0:05:23.125 --> 0:05:26.365 it very fascinating. So you know, you'd practice and play 0:05:26.565 --> 0:05:29.045 you know, doctor with your friends and all that kind 0:05:29.085 --> 0:05:33.045 of stuff. Just kissing and touching type of thing. It was, Yeah, 0:05:33.085 --> 0:05:35.965 it was. I was always curious, very very curious. So 0:05:36.285 --> 0:05:39.165 it sort of started from there and just waked itself up. 0:05:39.285 --> 0:05:41.845 When I met my husband, who I've been with for 0:05:41.885 --> 0:05:44.525 thirty six years, I was in year eleven and he 0:05:44.725 --> 0:05:48.645 was in his first year of met and he was 0:05:48.645 --> 0:05:52.125 on I say to people, we're on the same wavelength sexually. 0:05:52.565 --> 0:05:55.125 We were just so compatible and we're just so lucky 0:05:55.165 --> 0:05:58.085 as well that were just open to everything and just 0:05:58.165 --> 0:06:01.525 having fun. So, you know, we'd look at pawn together, 0:06:01.725 --> 0:06:05.925 we'd play around, have fun. It was never embarrassing, it 0:06:05.965 --> 0:06:09.765 was never shameful. It was just always just really beautiful 0:06:09.925 --> 0:06:12.725 and hot and sexy always. 0:06:13.085 --> 0:06:16.485 That's so wonderful because for so many women, particularly their 0:06:16.525 --> 0:06:22.765 early sexual experiences are associated with For some it's sexual 0:06:22.805 --> 0:06:28.685 assault or lack of consent, or just not feeling sexual 0:06:28.725 --> 0:06:33.045 pleasure or feeling ashamed, all of those kinds of things. 0:06:33.085 --> 0:06:37.245 I mean, that is such wonderful luck and good fortune 0:06:37.285 --> 0:06:39.245 that that was the way it was for you. Guys. 0:06:39.605 --> 0:06:42.885 Tell me about the sexual relationship and how it progresses 0:06:43.685 --> 0:06:46.885 between a couple over thirty six or thirty seven years. 0:06:47.605 --> 0:06:49.165 Have you ever had sex with anyone else? 0:06:50.125 --> 0:06:52.445 Just before I met my husband, I had my first 0:06:52.765 --> 0:06:57.525 boyfriend experience, but it wasn't anything really special, so it's 0:06:57.565 --> 0:07:00.525 only a couple of times, and I thought I loved him, 0:07:00.645 --> 0:07:02.925 and he cheated with someone else. And I was very 0:07:03.005 --> 0:07:05.565 young then, so I thought, you know, if you have sex, 0:07:05.725 --> 0:07:09.045 then you love that person and you stay by them. 0:07:09.085 --> 0:07:11.245 That's the way I was brought up. You know. It 0:07:11.445 --> 0:07:14.525 just really sort of broke my heart. And then I 0:07:14.565 --> 0:07:17.165 met my husband straight up virtually a few months later, 0:07:17.325 --> 0:07:21.445 So it was interesting how things unfolded. And my husband 0:07:21.565 --> 0:07:25.885 was very very good and kind and a good listener. 0:07:26.045 --> 0:07:29.485 So I told you the whole story, and I guess, yeah, 0:07:29.525 --> 0:07:33.205 the communication was really great. It was solid. We shared 0:07:33.605 --> 0:07:38.685 all of our most personal, you know, life stories and 0:07:39.685 --> 0:07:41.765 desires and all that, and it was Yeah, it just 0:07:41.765 --> 0:07:45.125 sort of grew from that. And sexually, we've always just 0:07:45.165 --> 0:07:48.605 been open to, you know, have fun with it and 0:07:48.805 --> 0:07:53.765 enjoy it. And yeah, it's just always been fantastic. I mean, 0:07:53.805 --> 0:07:57.245 you know, as you go through your your pregnancies and 0:07:57.285 --> 0:08:00.565 your menopause and move you know, it's up and down. 0:08:00.645 --> 0:08:03.085 But we've been always on the same kind of wavelength. 0:08:03.485 --> 0:08:04.565 We've been quite lucky. 0:08:05.085 --> 0:08:09.645 Sex is usually hot in the beginning. Yeah, then you know, 0:08:09.925 --> 0:08:12.885 Esther Perell talks about her book Mating in Captivity. Yes, 0:08:13.165 --> 0:08:16.005 how all the things that make a good marriage or 0:08:16.005 --> 0:08:21.965 a good long term relationship, which is familiarity, trust, intimacy, stability, 0:08:22.045 --> 0:08:26.845 all of those things are often kryptonite for sexual excitement 0:08:26.925 --> 0:08:30.925 and interest, which relies on what's new and what's different 0:08:31.125 --> 0:08:36.485 and what's unexpected. How have you resolved that in your marriage? 0:08:37.085 --> 0:08:43.445 We've always just explored played right through the thirty six years. 0:08:43.645 --> 0:08:46.125 When you say played, do you mean like with other 0:08:46.165 --> 0:08:49.125 people and brought other people into your relationships? 0:08:49.245 --> 0:08:51.565 We haven't. No, we haven't brought any other We did 0:08:51.565 --> 0:08:53.925 discuss it at one stage when we're in our thirties, 0:08:54.245 --> 0:08:56.245 but we never really went through with it. It was 0:08:56.285 --> 0:09:01.965 something we did discuss, yeah, just you know, toys, things whatever, 0:09:02.525 --> 0:09:05.325 just to explore and have fun with it all. In 0:09:05.365 --> 0:09:06.005 that sense. 0:09:06.965 --> 0:09:10.365 You started your first mail escort agency back in twenty twelve. 0:09:10.805 --> 0:09:13.645 What were you doing before that in terms of career 0:09:13.725 --> 0:09:18.765 paths please to opening an escort agency. 0:09:18.885 --> 0:09:22.325 Well, I'm not from the industry. I've done a variety 0:09:22.325 --> 0:09:26.605 of different jobs in my life, from managing a medical 0:09:26.605 --> 0:09:29.805 clinic in my twenties to then being a massage therapist 0:09:29.805 --> 0:09:33.845 for nearly fifteen years. So I was working doing massage 0:09:33.885 --> 0:09:37.565 from home. I'm a remedial therapist. I love touch, I 0:09:37.605 --> 0:09:40.645 love connecting with people, and some of them would like 0:09:40.725 --> 0:09:43.125 to talk. Some of them would speak about what was 0:09:43.165 --> 0:09:47.725 on their minds issues, you know, personal issues, work issues, 0:09:48.365 --> 0:09:51.645 and it was a safe space for them. So I 0:09:51.725 --> 0:09:55.285 sort of started back then with the massage where people 0:09:55.285 --> 0:09:58.485 would open up and share personal things with me. And 0:09:58.485 --> 0:10:01.205 plus the touch aspect is so so vital and so 0:10:01.285 --> 0:10:05.205 important to get that chi energy running through your whole body. 0:10:05.245 --> 0:10:08.445 And when they'd walk out, they were just floating. They 0:10:08.485 --> 0:10:11.805 were completely different people. So I experienced that for many, 0:10:11.845 --> 0:10:15.045 many years, and I used to get like electricity coming 0:10:15.085 --> 0:10:18.005 out of my tips of my fingers after certain clients 0:10:18.125 --> 0:10:21.365 because of their you know, you detoxify, you get rid 0:10:21.405 --> 0:10:24.765 of those toxins after a massage as well, and I'd 0:10:24.805 --> 0:10:27.365 have to really shake them off. Not everyone, but some. 0:10:27.485 --> 0:10:31.725 It was quite a special experience with massage. I found. 0:10:32.325 --> 0:10:36.085 Did people talk to you about their sex lives? 0:10:36.725 --> 0:10:38.165 Well, they talked to me about everything. 0:10:39.845 --> 0:10:42.685 And you know, I've run a lot of sort of 0:10:42.725 --> 0:10:45.645 courses about how to start a business, and what I 0:10:45.725 --> 0:10:48.925 used to always say you need to do is first 0:10:49.005 --> 0:10:53.365 identify a gap in the market, and then identify a 0:10:53.405 --> 0:10:57.205 market in the gap. How did you identify the gap 0:10:57.245 --> 0:10:59.405 in the market. Is it from what people were just 0:10:59.445 --> 0:11:01.485 telling you while you were giving the massages that they 0:11:01.485 --> 0:11:03.645 wish there was someone that they could hire. 0:11:04.725 --> 0:11:07.685 It was sort of partly that, but also at that 0:11:07.885 --> 0:11:10.005 stage in life, I think I was in my late 0:11:10.085 --> 0:11:12.645 thirties and I had quite a few girlfriends who were 0:11:12.685 --> 0:11:16.125 single and divorced, and they found it really difficult to 0:11:16.165 --> 0:11:19.285 find a quality, you know, sort of option when seeking 0:11:19.325 --> 0:11:23.245 intimacy and you know, without the commitments. So that's where 0:11:23.285 --> 0:11:25.365 it sort of started off with. And I went into 0:11:25.445 --> 0:11:29.205 business with one of my girlfriends, and we did two 0:11:29.285 --> 0:11:32.325 years of research prior to opening up Afridisiac because we 0:11:32.405 --> 0:11:35.805 both went from the industry. But we knew that something 0:11:35.845 --> 0:11:39.405 of this you know, quality and type of service was 0:11:39.445 --> 0:11:43.725 really necessary from speaking to so many women of all 0:11:43.725 --> 0:11:46.845 different ages, and so we did the hard yaker for 0:11:46.925 --> 0:11:50.285 two years. We met people who then passed us on 0:11:50.325 --> 0:11:53.045 to the right people, and we didn't know what we 0:11:53.045 --> 0:11:55.645 were going into. But you know, everyone says it's such 0:11:55.685 --> 0:12:01.885 a dim, dirty, you know, CD service industry, and yes, 0:12:01.925 --> 0:12:05.845 absolutely there are there are agencies and brothels that are 0:12:06.005 --> 0:12:09.085 like that, but our intention was never to run that 0:12:09.125 --> 0:12:13.285 way because we have morals, we have integrity, you know, 0:12:13.845 --> 0:12:16.765 safety was number one for us for all our clients 0:12:16.805 --> 0:12:20.965 plus our gentlemen. So we as businesswomen, ran it completely 0:12:21.005 --> 0:12:25.645 differently to any other agency or brothel that's out there 0:12:25.765 --> 0:12:28.645 at the moment. And I don't think anyone out there 0:12:28.965 --> 0:12:30.925 runs the services like I do. 0:12:31.085 --> 0:12:35.165 Now, what is the first step that you take when 0:12:35.245 --> 0:12:39.125 you think about setting up a male escort agency. 0:12:40.085 --> 0:12:43.405 I can't remember exactly the first person, but I had 0:12:43.445 --> 0:12:46.405 quite a few people within the industry through Facebook and 0:12:46.445 --> 0:12:49.565 social media, and I was comfortable enough to reach out 0:12:49.565 --> 0:12:51.765 to them, and then they passed me on to the 0:12:51.845 --> 0:12:59.645 right people, and you know, we created we created what 0:13:00.205 --> 0:13:03.885 we had questionnaires for women. We had over quite a 0:13:03.925 --> 0:13:07.565 few hundred women that answered you know, what they would 0:13:07.645 --> 0:13:10.645 want from this type of service. Yeah, So we did 0:13:10.685 --> 0:13:13.485 a lot of a lot of work before we opened 0:13:13.565 --> 0:13:16.325 up because, like I said, we went from the industry 0:13:16.365 --> 0:13:18.405 and it was all new to us. But we knew 0:13:19.125 --> 0:13:21.885 that we could make you know, a huge difference to 0:13:21.925 --> 0:13:25.325 women's lives by opening up, you know, proper Lately. 0:13:26.205 --> 0:13:29.325 The idea of sex work been you know, modelized in 0:13:29.325 --> 0:13:33.765 films like Pretty Women, and I guess the ideas that 0:13:33.845 --> 0:13:38.125 people have about sex workers is that they're predominantly either 0:13:38.165 --> 0:13:42.965 women or gay men, and that the users of sex 0:13:43.005 --> 0:13:46.965 work services escort services are men either straight men or 0:13:47.005 --> 0:13:51.805 gay men, because men pay for sex, whereas women don't 0:13:51.885 --> 0:13:54.365 have to pay for sex, or don't need to pay 0:13:54.365 --> 0:13:58.485 for sex, or don't want to pay for sex. How 0:13:58.645 --> 0:14:01.725 what was your insight that made you realize that, no, 0:14:01.885 --> 0:14:06.525 that wasn't true, because I can't really think of sort 0:14:06.565 --> 0:14:11.845 of any popular culture or culture examples of images of 0:14:12.525 --> 0:14:16.085 you know, women who might want to hire an escort. 0:14:16.565 --> 0:14:20.085 Well, with the questionnaires, we did ask women if they 0:14:20.085 --> 0:14:21.005 would pay for it? 0:14:21.205 --> 0:14:23.005 Where did you send the questions out? Did you just 0:14:23.005 --> 0:14:24.485 give them out in shopping centers? 0:14:25.205 --> 0:14:28.685 No, We gave out questionnaires three friends who worked in 0:14:28.725 --> 0:14:33.365 different industries and different professions, and we sort of handed 0:14:33.365 --> 0:14:35.925 them out email. A lot of my clients that I 0:14:35.965 --> 0:14:38.405 worked with the massage, I gave them out to them, 0:14:38.805 --> 0:14:41.245 and my business partner did the same on her side. 0:14:41.325 --> 0:14:43.365 So there are quite a few hundred that we sent 0:14:43.525 --> 0:14:45.885 out and we've got some really great feedback from that. 0:14:46.725 --> 0:14:49.565 What did you learn from that and what surprised you? 0:14:49.645 --> 0:14:50.245 In particular? 0:14:50.605 --> 0:14:55.405 A lot of women were not ready for it. Absolutely, 0:14:55.405 --> 0:14:57.925 there was still quite Oh I would never use a 0:14:57.965 --> 0:15:00.245 service like this, But then there are others, Oh, this 0:15:00.325 --> 0:15:03.605 sounds interesting. We're sort of, you know, opening a can 0:15:03.645 --> 0:15:05.765 of worms, as to say, And there's a lot of 0:15:05.885 --> 0:15:09.845 shame still in stigma. But there were women actually, the 0:15:09.845 --> 0:15:13.845 ones that were single or divorced, they could really appreciate 0:15:13.925 --> 0:15:16.005 from where we were coming on, what kind of business, 0:15:17.205 --> 0:15:19.725 type of style of service we were offering. 0:15:20.405 --> 0:15:22.045 How did you recruit your first guy? 0:15:22.485 --> 0:15:25.885 Actually it was through someone that I knew, a friend 0:15:26.045 --> 0:15:29.365 of a friends that said, I've got this really gorgeous 0:15:29.645 --> 0:15:33.365 gentleman that would be interested, and he was one of 0:15:33.405 --> 0:15:39.125 our best companions for years. He was incredible. He was Brazilian, gorgeous, 0:15:39.525 --> 0:15:45.565 loved women, great conversationalist, just was really a good man 0:15:45.605 --> 0:15:49.325 inside and out. Yeah, he was quite popular back then. 0:15:50.125 --> 0:15:53.005 Did you just start with one or you needed a 0:15:53.045 --> 0:15:55.005 few before you could be called an agency? 0:15:55.045 --> 0:15:58.445 Otherwise we started with a couple. We had a handful 0:15:58.805 --> 0:16:01.445 and they just sort of grew. We found that once 0:16:01.485 --> 0:16:05.405 we started advertising the business, the gentleman just start emailing. 0:16:05.845 --> 0:16:09.645 I never really had to advertise for work, like at 0:16:09.685 --> 0:16:12.805 the moment since opening up her Confidante this year, I 0:16:12.805 --> 0:16:15.205 get maybe five or six men emailing me a day 0:16:15.605 --> 0:16:18.405 for work, and they think they're perfect fits. 0:16:19.125 --> 0:16:22.645 And what are these guys have in common? Like what 0:16:22.765 --> 0:16:26.125 attracts them to doing this? Is it their first foray 0:16:26.125 --> 0:16:29.485 into sex work or they've been working for themselves and 0:16:29.485 --> 0:16:31.525 they decide, maybe I want to join an agency. 0:16:32.045 --> 0:16:36.125 I've never actually one thing. We decided back with Afrodisiak 0:16:36.205 --> 0:16:38.645 we wouldn't work with men who work in the industry 0:16:38.725 --> 0:16:42.245 because they've got their set ways and we have different 0:16:42.285 --> 0:16:45.565 ways of working as women. Knowing what women want, so 0:16:45.605 --> 0:16:49.485 I've never actually worked with a male companion who has 0:16:49.605 --> 0:16:53.685 worked as an escort himself. They're all from different walks 0:16:53.685 --> 0:16:58.405 of life, different professions, different industries. I've worked with doctors, lawyers, 0:16:58.765 --> 0:17:03.005 all sorts, and they must must must have a full 0:17:03.005 --> 0:17:05.165 time job. This is something they do part time. 0:17:05.685 --> 0:17:08.245 That's an interesting rule. So it's almost like they don't 0:17:08.245 --> 0:17:09.325 need the money. 0:17:09.685 --> 0:17:13.365 Yet it's something because they absolutely love doing this type 0:17:13.405 --> 0:17:18.085 of work and love being with women generally, and it's 0:17:18.125 --> 0:17:20.365 important that they have a full time job where they 0:17:20.405 --> 0:17:24.085 don't rely on this as an income as well, and 0:17:24.125 --> 0:17:29.325 that pressure on myself to work for them, you know, daily, 0:17:29.485 --> 0:17:33.525 which doesn't happen. I'm quite respectful where they will only 0:17:33.605 --> 0:17:36.605 have a couple of bookings a week. They are humans 0:17:37.365 --> 0:17:39.925 and they do have a full time job, and that's 0:17:39.965 --> 0:17:42.125 where it's at at the moment. They get a couple 0:17:42.165 --> 0:17:45.005 of bookings a week, or once every couple of weeks, 0:17:45.085 --> 0:17:46.845 or once a month, or a couple of times a month. 0:17:47.245 --> 0:17:49.685 It just depends on you know, which client needs to 0:17:49.685 --> 0:17:53.165 book them. It works really well that way because they 0:17:53.205 --> 0:17:57.445 need their time their space as well. And I respect 0:17:57.765 --> 0:18:00.485 all the gentlemen that I work with. It's my little 0:18:00.485 --> 0:18:05.125 family and I'm really sort of grateful to work with 0:18:05.365 --> 0:18:08.525 these lovely men. I don't want to take anyone for granted, 0:18:08.885 --> 0:18:11.685 whether the companions all my clients. 0:18:13.205 --> 0:18:17.605 More of my enlightening taboo smashing conversation with Anna after 0:18:17.645 --> 0:18:25.165 this short break. So from your experience in the industry, now, 0:18:25.765 --> 0:18:31.125 how does sex with a companion who you're paying differ 0:18:31.525 --> 0:18:34.445 from sex with someone that you're not from a female 0:18:34.445 --> 0:18:35.285 point of view. 0:18:35.405 --> 0:18:38.885 Well, firstly, I choose them because they're quite passionate, and 0:18:39.085 --> 0:18:43.085 they love every aspect about sex and every aspect of 0:18:43.125 --> 0:18:47.325 a woman. They don't see age or size. They just 0:18:47.445 --> 0:18:50.285 see a human in front of them, and they just 0:18:50.365 --> 0:18:53.765 want to bring joy, happiness, and pleasure to that person 0:18:53.805 --> 0:18:56.085 who's in front of them. And I think not many 0:18:56.485 --> 0:18:59.965 men are able to do that and just see a 0:19:00.005 --> 0:19:04.165 woman standing in front of them, just wanting to be 0:19:04.365 --> 0:19:09.525 with someone, being touched, being you know, held, being listened to, 0:19:09.645 --> 0:19:12.685 being talked to, having incredible sex. Some of the times, 0:19:12.685 --> 0:19:14.885 they just want a really good fuck. That's what women 0:19:14.925 --> 0:19:17.525 tell me. You know, the amount of women I've spoken 0:19:17.525 --> 0:19:19.445 to in the last few months, it's like, I just 0:19:19.485 --> 0:19:20.965 want a really good fuck. 0:19:21.285 --> 0:19:23.525 And what do what does a really good fuck look? 0:19:23.645 --> 0:19:25.645 Like I mean, I guess it's different for every woman. 0:19:26.285 --> 0:19:28.765 They just they don't want to be in charge. They 0:19:28.765 --> 0:19:30.885 want the man to take the lead. They want the 0:19:30.925 --> 0:19:34.645 man to last, They want the man not to be drunk. 0:19:35.125 --> 0:19:38.765 They want him to be attentive to every need and 0:19:38.805 --> 0:19:40.965 to have fun with it, and for them to feel 0:19:41.005 --> 0:19:46.405 really open and vulnerable and not feel judged as a 0:19:46.445 --> 0:19:47.925 lot of the times. You know, when you go on 0:19:47.965 --> 0:19:51.805 a date, you're constantly feeling you know, you're in your head. 0:19:51.885 --> 0:19:54.325 And so when I speak to the clients, I always 0:19:54.365 --> 0:19:56.845 tell them, just get out of your head. This is 0:19:56.885 --> 0:20:01.045 all about you. This is your time to just absolutely 0:20:01.125 --> 0:20:04.685 enjoy every moment it goes by quickly, enjoy, have fun 0:20:04.725 --> 0:20:07.525 with it, get out of your head. And it works. 0:20:07.565 --> 0:20:10.725 They tell me afterwards that's what they did, and they 0:20:10.725 --> 0:20:11.685 had the best time. 0:20:12.525 --> 0:20:15.325 Tell me about the men. So it's interesting you call 0:20:15.365 --> 0:20:19.525 them gentlemen and companions. I imagine that all of that 0:20:19.605 --> 0:20:20.805 language is very deliberate. 0:20:21.325 --> 0:20:24.725 It is because I find that if you call them 0:20:24.805 --> 0:20:29.365 sex workers prostitutes, which I can't stand, it's all old, 0:20:30.325 --> 0:20:35.405 old school. Whereas you know, since running this business specifically, 0:20:35.485 --> 0:20:38.685 I think it's important to change. I'm trying to re 0:20:38.845 --> 0:20:42.885 educate people's perception of what it can be. And that's 0:20:42.925 --> 0:20:49.445 what her confidant's about. You know, it's a legitimate, you 0:20:49.485 --> 0:20:54.685 know business, just like any HR or PR agency that 0:20:54.845 --> 0:21:00.405 has integrity, values and standards, trust, transparency, and it's nothing 0:21:00.445 --> 0:21:03.925 more than that. And people just need to realize that 0:21:04.405 --> 0:21:07.965 that's what it is. And I'm here to teach people that. 0:21:09.845 --> 0:21:13.285 So when someone, you know, a guy wants to join 0:21:13.565 --> 0:21:17.725 your agency, he first, I imagine, inquires through your website 0:21:18.165 --> 0:21:22.445 and then what's the process. Take me through an example 0:21:22.485 --> 0:21:25.485 of one of the guys who is part of your 0:21:25.485 --> 0:21:28.965 agency now from the process of him first reaching out 0:21:29.045 --> 0:21:30.205 to you, how it played out. 0:21:30.885 --> 0:21:34.765 So they either email or they call, and I will 0:21:34.805 --> 0:21:37.645 ask them to then send through the inquiry by email, 0:21:37.925 --> 0:21:41.285 and it depends on the email what they write. Some 0:21:41.765 --> 0:21:45.325 of them write quite a bit of information about themselves 0:21:45.325 --> 0:21:47.485 and share a little bit about them which is really lovely. 0:21:48.245 --> 0:21:51.165 And then I can sort of tell by the way 0:21:51.205 --> 0:21:54.645 they've sort of started the conversation by email that I 0:21:54.645 --> 0:21:56.605 think I want to know a little bit more about him. 0:21:56.685 --> 0:22:00.525 So I will then send a questionnaire and there's about 0:22:00.565 --> 0:22:02.845 thirty five thirty six questions. There's a quite a few 0:22:02.845 --> 0:22:06.845 psychological questions. I really want to know what makes him tick, 0:22:06.925 --> 0:22:08.085 why does he want to do this? 0:22:08.245 --> 0:22:08.925 Who is he? 0:22:09.405 --> 0:22:11.525 And yeah, why does he want to do this type 0:22:11.565 --> 0:22:14.925 of work. I'll send that off to them, then they 0:22:14.965 --> 0:22:18.805 will come back with all the answers and the ones 0:22:18.805 --> 0:22:23.445 that I choose to go there next. If the answers are, 0:22:23.725 --> 0:22:26.325 you know, not just one word answers or two word 0:22:26.485 --> 0:22:29.365 answers like I like to fuck or I like to 0:22:29.445 --> 0:22:33.765 have sex, or you know, just really no substance behind it. 0:22:34.405 --> 0:22:37.885 So the ones that really sort of express themselves properly, 0:22:37.965 --> 0:22:41.125 I can see that they're educated, they can write, they 0:22:41.165 --> 0:22:44.325 can put two words together. I can really tell by 0:22:44.365 --> 0:22:47.525 the questionnaire that they seem like that would be a 0:22:47.525 --> 0:22:51.525 really great companion for the agency. So then I will 0:22:51.965 --> 0:22:53.925 contact them and say, would you like to do a 0:22:54.005 --> 0:22:57.245 face to face meet and we'll have a coffee. So 0:22:57.285 --> 0:23:00.205 I want to see what's on paper is it really 0:23:00.925 --> 0:23:03.565 same when I meet him face to face? And so 0:23:03.685 --> 0:23:06.485 we'll have a coffee. And there's been times where what's 0:23:06.525 --> 0:23:09.485 on the paper is not what's face to face. So 0:23:09.565 --> 0:23:12.765 then that sort of gives me, like, right, red flag. 0:23:13.045 --> 0:23:15.805 I see red flags really quickly now, I really know 0:23:15.885 --> 0:23:16.845 what I'm looking for. 0:23:17.125 --> 0:23:18.205