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Speaker 1: Will that's the voice of James that you just heard.
Speaker 1: He is a male escort who works for an agency
Speaker 1: called Her Confidant, which matches female clients with male escorts
Speaker 1: for all kinds of reasons, but mostly for sex. Her
Speaker 1: Confidante was founded by Anna Grossman, who is my guest
Speaker 1: today and the conversation you're about to hear between the
Speaker 1: two of us is going to challenge your beliefs and
Speaker 1: your ideas and maybe your prejudices or preconceptions around sex
Speaker 1: work and intimacy and pleasure. When you think about what
Speaker 1: the owner of an escort agency might be like, Anna
Speaker 1: really doesn't fit that stereotype. She has a great origin
Speaker 1: story that you're going to love, and as you're about
Speaker 1: to hear, the men who work for her also aren't
Speaker 1: what you might expect. In fact, it might surprise you
Speaker 1: to learn that nobody in this story is a stereotype,
Speaker 1: because people are not stereotypes. Not Anna, not the male
Speaker 1: escorts whose voices you're going to hear throughout the episode,
Speaker 1: and not the women who pay for their services. You're
Speaker 1: going to meet one of them too, because the sex industry,
Speaker 1: like every other profession, is a word place full of
Speaker 1: regular people whose jobs just happen to revolve around sex.
Speaker 1: There are many reasons, as I said, why women hire
Speaker 1: male escorts. And what I didn't expect when I sat
Speaker 1: down to talk with Anna and then a woman will
Speaker 1: call Alexandra, who is one of our's clients, what I
Speaker 1: really didn't expect is to learn so much about the
Speaker 1: emotional side of it also sure the sex. But Anna
Speaker 1: joined me via zoom, and if I'd expected her to
Speaker 1: be all leather and cleavage and mood lighting, I would
Speaker 1: have been very disappointed because she was sitting at an
Speaker 1: ordinary table in an ordinary suburban home her home, dressed
Speaker 1: like any other woman my age that you might see
Speaker 1: in the street. And that's what sparked my first question,
Speaker 1: what kind of career path leads you to owning a
Speaker 1: male escort agency.
Speaker 4: I was quite curious and sexually curious from a very
Speaker 4: young age. Grew up on a very conservative household, so
Speaker 4: really couldn't show it, kept it sort of under wraps.
Speaker 4: And then I think when I became around sixteen, I say,
Speaker 4: that's when I dropped my balls, my brawls. I became
Speaker 4: very sort of aware the boys were looking at me,
Speaker 4: boyfriends were starting to happen. And yeah, I've just always
Speaker 4: been open minded because I think it's been so shamed for,
Speaker 4: you know, most of my younger life. I I just
Speaker 4: think it's such an important part of our lives to
Speaker 4: express ourselves, to enjoy it, to have fun with it.
Speaker 4: I think probably from the age of sixteen seventeen, I've
Speaker 4: just been really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: That's lovely, because I think most women our age. I
Speaker 1: think it's probably different maybe with Gen Z's and even
Speaker 1: maybe millennials. I'm not sure. But sex positivity wasn't a
Speaker 1: thing when we grew up as gen x's. In fact,
Speaker 1: it was the opposite. Sex for us was completely associated
Speaker 1: with death actually because of AIDS epidemic and HIV and
Speaker 1: save sex and you have sex and it could kill you,
Speaker 1: and the grim Reaper and all of those things. So
Speaker 1: I grew up. You know, I remember the first time
Speaker 1: I had sex, the condom broke and I was convinced
Speaker 1: that I was you know, even before I had sex,
Speaker 1: I thought maybe that I was either pregnant or I
Speaker 1: might have caught an STD or maybe even HIV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was very fearful of sex. I guess it certainly
Speaker 1: wasn't the free love ideas that our boomer parents had.
Speaker 1: What was it like for you? Where did you? Where
Speaker 1: did you learn to be sex positive in a generation
Speaker 1: that generally wasn't.
Speaker 4: Through magazines like Dolly. You'd read about and you know,
Speaker 4: did Dolly people would write in and the Cleos and
Speaker 4: the Cosmos. Plus I found a little sex book at
Speaker 4: home in my parents' bedroom.
Speaker 1: What was it.
Speaker 4: It was just pictures of men and women in different
Speaker 4: positions of very sensual and so I sort of.
Speaker 1: It was probably the joy of sex when they were
Speaker 1: all quite they were all quite hairy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything was there, definitely, and it was just pictures.
Speaker 4: There's nothing more than that. And I just always found
Speaker 4: it very fascinating. So you know, you'd practice and play
Speaker 4: you know, doctor with your friends and all that kind
Speaker 4: of stuff. Just kissing and touching type of thing. It was, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was. I was always curious, very very curious. So
Speaker 4: it sort of started from there and just waked itself up.
Speaker 4: When I met my husband, who I've been with for
Speaker 4: thirty six years, I was in year eleven and he
Speaker 4: was in his first year of met and he was
Speaker 4: on I say to people, we're on the same wavelength sexually.
Speaker 4: We were just so compatible and we're just so lucky
Speaker 4: as well that were just open to everything and just
Speaker 4: having fun. So, you know, we'd look at pawn together,
Speaker 4: we'd play around, have fun. It was never embarrassing, it
Speaker 4: was never shameful. It was just always just really beautiful
Speaker 4: and hot and sexy always.
Speaker 1: That's so wonderful because for so many women, particularly their
Speaker 1: early sexual experiences are associated with For some it's sexual
Speaker 1: assault or lack of consent, or just not feeling sexual
Speaker 1: pleasure or feeling ashamed, all of those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is such wonderful luck and good fortune
Speaker 1: that that was the way it was for you. Guys.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the sexual relationship and how it progresses
Speaker 1: between a couple over thirty six or thirty seven years.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had sex with anyone else?
Speaker 4: Just before I met my husband, I had my first
Speaker 4: boyfriend experience, but it wasn't anything really special, so it's
Speaker 4: only a couple of times, and I thought I loved him,
Speaker 4: and he cheated with someone else. And I was very
Speaker 4: young then, so I thought, you know, if you have sex,
Speaker 4: then you love that person and you stay by them.
Speaker 4: That's the way I was brought up. You know. It
Speaker 4: just really sort of broke my heart. And then I
Speaker 4: met my husband straight up virtually a few months later,
Speaker 4: So it was interesting how things unfolded. And my husband
Speaker 4: was very very good and kind and a good listener.
Speaker 4: So I told you the whole story, and I guess, yeah,
Speaker 4: the communication was really great. It was solid. We shared
Speaker 4: all of our most personal, you know, life stories and
Speaker 4: desires and all that, and it was Yeah, it just
Speaker 4: sort of grew from that. And sexually, we've always just
Speaker 4: been open to, you know, have fun with it and
Speaker 4: enjoy it. And yeah, it's just always been fantastic. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, as you go through your your pregnancies and
Speaker 4: your menopause and move you know, it's up and down.
Speaker 4: But we've been always on the same kind of wavelength.
Speaker 4: We've been quite lucky.
Speaker 1: Sex is usually hot in the beginning. Yeah, then you know,
Speaker 1: Esther Perell talks about her book Mating in Captivity. Yes,
Speaker 1: how all the things that make a good marriage or
Speaker 1: a good long term relationship, which is familiarity, trust, intimacy, stability,
Speaker 1: all of those things are often kryptonite for sexual excitement
Speaker 1: and interest, which relies on what's new and what's different
Speaker 1: and what's unexpected. How have you resolved that in your marriage?
Speaker 4: We've always just explored played right through the thirty six years.
Speaker 1: When you say played, do you mean like with other
Speaker 1: people and brought other people into your relationships?
Speaker 4: We haven't. No, we haven't brought any other We did
Speaker 4: discuss it at one stage when we're in our thirties,
Speaker 4: but we never really went through with it. It was
Speaker 4: something we did discuss, yeah, just you know, toys, things whatever,
Speaker 4: just to explore and have fun with it all. In
Speaker 4: that sense.
Speaker 1: You started your first mail escort agency back in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: What were you doing before that in terms of career
Speaker 1: paths please to opening an escort agency.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm not from the industry. I've done a variety
Speaker 4: of different jobs in my life, from managing a medical
Speaker 4: clinic in my twenties to then being a massage therapist
Speaker 4: for nearly fifteen years. So I was working doing massage
Speaker 4: from home. I'm a remedial therapist. I love touch, I
Speaker 4: love connecting with people, and some of them would like
Speaker 4: to talk. Some of them would speak about what was
Speaker 4: on their minds issues, you know, personal issues, work issues,
Speaker 4: and it was a safe space for them. So I
Speaker 4: sort of started back then with the massage where people
Speaker 4: would open up and share personal things with me. And
Speaker 4: plus the touch aspect is so so vital and so
Speaker 4: important to get that chi energy running through your whole body.
Speaker 4: And when they'd walk out, they were just floating. They
Speaker 4: were completely different people. So I experienced that for many,
Speaker 4: many years, and I used to get like electricity coming
Speaker 4: out of my tips of my fingers after certain clients
Speaker 4: because of their you know, you detoxify, you get rid
Speaker 4: of those toxins after a massage as well, and I'd
Speaker 4: have to really shake them off. Not everyone, but some.
Speaker 4: It was quite a special experience with massage. I found.
Speaker 1: Did people talk to you about their sex lives?
Speaker 4: Well, they talked to me about everything.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've run a lot of sort of
Speaker 1: courses about how to start a business, and what I
Speaker 1: used to always say you need to do is first
Speaker 1: identify a gap in the market, and then identify a
Speaker 1: market in the gap. How did you identify the gap
Speaker 1: in the market. Is it from what people were just
Speaker 1: telling you while you were giving the massages that they
Speaker 1: wish there was someone that they could hire.
Speaker 4: It was sort of partly that, but also at that
Speaker 4: stage in life, I think I was in my late
Speaker 4: thirties and I had quite a few girlfriends who were
Speaker 4: single and divorced, and they found it really difficult to
Speaker 4: find a quality, you know, sort of option when seeking
Speaker 4: intimacy and you know, without the commitments. So that's where
Speaker 4: it sort of started off with. And I went into
Speaker 4: business with one of my girlfriends, and we did two
Speaker 4: years of research prior to opening up Afridisiac because we
Speaker 4: both went from the industry. But we knew that something
Speaker 4: of this you know, quality and type of service was
Speaker 4: really necessary from speaking to so many women of all
Speaker 4: different ages, and so we did the hard yaker for
Speaker 4: two years. We met people who then passed us on
Speaker 4: to the right people, and we didn't know what we
Speaker 4: were going into. But you know, everyone says it's such
Speaker 4: a dim, dirty, you know, CD service industry, and yes,
Speaker 4: absolutely there are there are agencies and brothels that are
Speaker 4: like that, but our intention was never to run that
Speaker 4: way because we have morals, we have integrity, you know,
Speaker 4: safety was number one for us for all our clients
Speaker 4: plus our gentlemen. So we as businesswomen, ran it completely
Speaker 4: differently to any other agency or brothel that's out there
Speaker 4: at the moment. And I don't think anyone out there
Speaker 4: runs the services like I do.
Speaker 1: Now, what is the first step that you take when
Speaker 1: you think about setting up a male escort agency.
Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly the first person, but I had
Speaker 4: quite a few people within the industry through Facebook and
Speaker 4: social media, and I was comfortable enough to reach out
Speaker 4: to them, and then they passed me on to the
Speaker 4: right people, and you know, we created we created what
Speaker 4: we had questionnaires for women. We had over quite a
Speaker 4: few hundred women that answered you know, what they would
Speaker 4: want from this type of service. Yeah, So we did
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of work before we opened
Speaker 4: up because, like I said, we went from the industry
Speaker 4: and it was all new to us. But we knew
Speaker 4: that we could make you know, a huge difference to
Speaker 4: women's lives by opening up, you know, proper Lately.
Speaker 1: The idea of sex work been you know, modelized in
Speaker 1: films like Pretty Women, and I guess the ideas that
Speaker 1: people have about sex workers is that they're predominantly either
Speaker 1: women or gay men, and that the users of sex
Speaker 1: work services escort services are men either straight men or
Speaker 1: gay men, because men pay for sex, whereas women don't
Speaker 1: have to pay for sex, or don't need to pay
Speaker 1: for sex, or don't want to pay for sex. How
Speaker 1: what was your insight that made you realize that, no,
Speaker 1: that wasn't true, because I can't really think of sort
Speaker 1: of any popular culture or culture examples of images of
Speaker 1: you know, women who might want to hire an escort.
Speaker 4: Well, with the questionnaires, we did ask women if they
Speaker 4: would pay for it?
Speaker 1: Where did you send the questions out? Did you just
Speaker 1: give them out in shopping centers?
Speaker 4: No, We gave out questionnaires three friends who worked in
Speaker 4: different industries and different professions, and we sort of handed
Speaker 4: them out email. A lot of my clients that I
Speaker 4: worked with the massage, I gave them out to them,
Speaker 4: and my business partner did the same on her side.
Speaker 4: So there are quite a few hundred that we sent
Speaker 4: out and we've got some really great feedback from that.
Speaker 1: What did you learn from that and what surprised you?
Speaker 1: In particular?
Speaker 4: A lot of women were not ready for it. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: there was still quite Oh I would never use a
Speaker 4: service like this, But then there are others, Oh, this
Speaker 4: sounds interesting. We're sort of, you know, opening a can
Speaker 4: of worms, as to say, And there's a lot of
Speaker 4: shame still in stigma. But there were women actually, the
Speaker 4: ones that were single or divorced, they could really appreciate
Speaker 4: from where we were coming on, what kind of business,
Speaker 4: type of style of service we were offering.
Speaker 1: How did you recruit your first guy?
Speaker 4: Actually it was through someone that I knew, a friend
Speaker 4: of a friends that said, I've got this really gorgeous
Speaker 4: gentleman that would be interested, and he was one of
Speaker 4: our best companions for years. He was incredible. He was Brazilian, gorgeous,
Speaker 4: loved women, great conversationalist, just was really a good man
Speaker 4: inside and out. Yeah, he was quite popular back then.
Speaker 1: Did you just start with one or you needed a
Speaker 1: few before you could be called an agency?
Speaker 4: Otherwise we started with a couple. We had a handful
Speaker 4: and they just sort of grew. We found that once
Speaker 4: we started advertising the business, the gentleman just start emailing.
Speaker 4: I never really had to advertise for work, like at
Speaker 4: the moment since opening up her Confidante this year, I
Speaker 4: get maybe five or six men emailing me a day
Speaker 4: for work, and they think they're perfect fits.
Speaker 1: And what are these guys have in common? Like what
Speaker 1: attracts them to doing this? Is it their first foray
Speaker 1: into sex work or they've been working for themselves and
Speaker 1: they decide, maybe I want to join an agency.
Speaker 4: I've never actually one thing. We decided back with Afrodisiak
Speaker 4: we wouldn't work with men who work in the industry
Speaker 4: because they've got their set ways and we have different
Speaker 4: ways of working as women. Knowing what women want, so
Speaker 4: I've never actually worked with a male companion who has
Speaker 4: worked as an escort himself. They're all from different walks
Speaker 4: of life, different professions, different industries. I've worked with doctors, lawyers,
Speaker 4: all sorts, and they must must must have a full
Speaker 4: time job. This is something they do part time.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting rule. So it's almost like they don't
Speaker 1: need the money.
Speaker 4: Yet it's something because they absolutely love doing this type
Speaker 4: of work and love being with women generally, and it's
Speaker 4: important that they have a full time job where they
Speaker 4: don't rely on this as an income as well, and
Speaker 4: that pressure on myself to work for them, you know, daily,
Speaker 4: which doesn't happen. I'm quite respectful where they will only
Speaker 4: have a couple of bookings a week. They are humans
Speaker 4: and they do have a full time job, and that's
Speaker 4: where it's at at the moment. They get a couple
Speaker 4: of bookings a week, or once every couple of weeks,
Speaker 4: or once a month, or a couple of times a month.
Speaker 4: It just depends on you know, which client needs to
Speaker 4: book them. It works really well that way because they
Speaker 4: need their time their space as well. And I respect
Speaker 4: all the gentlemen that I work with. It's my little
Speaker 4: family and I'm really sort of grateful to work with
Speaker 4: these lovely men. I don't want to take anyone for granted,
Speaker 4: whether the companions all my clients.
Speaker 1: More of my enlightening taboo smashing conversation with Anna after
Speaker 1: this short break. So from your experience in the industry, now,
Speaker 1: how does sex with a companion who you're paying differ
Speaker 1: from sex with someone that you're not from a female
Speaker 1: point of view.
Speaker 4: Well, firstly, I choose them because they're quite passionate, and
Speaker 4: they love every aspect about sex and every aspect of
Speaker 4: a woman. They don't see age or size. They just
Speaker 4: see a human in front of them, and they just
Speaker 4: want to bring joy, happiness, and pleasure to that person
Speaker 4: who's in front of them. And I think not many
Speaker 4: men are able to do that and just see a
Speaker 4: woman standing in front of them, just wanting to be
Speaker 4: with someone, being touched, being you know, held, being listened to,
Speaker 4: being talked to, having incredible sex. Some of the times,
Speaker 4: they just want a really good fuck. That's what women
Speaker 4: tell me. You know, the amount of women I've spoken
Speaker 4: to in the last few months, it's like, I just
Speaker 4: want a really good fuck.
Speaker 1: And what do what does a really good fuck look?
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I guess it's different for every woman.
Speaker 4: They just they don't want to be in charge. They
Speaker 4: want the man to take the lead. They want the
Speaker 4: man to last, They want the man not to be drunk.
Speaker 4: They want him to be attentive to every need and
Speaker 4: to have fun with it, and for them to feel
Speaker 4: really open and vulnerable and not feel judged as a
Speaker 4: lot of the times. You know, when you go on
Speaker 4: a date, you're constantly feeling you know, you're in your head.
Speaker 4: And so when I speak to the clients, I always
Speaker 4: tell them, just get out of your head. This is
Speaker 4: all about you. This is your time to just absolutely
Speaker 4: enjoy every moment it goes by quickly, enjoy, have fun
Speaker 4: with it, get out of your head. And it works.
Speaker 4: They tell me afterwards that's what they did, and they
Speaker 4: had the best time.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the men. So it's interesting you call
Speaker 1: them gentlemen and companions. I imagine that all of that
Speaker 1: language is very deliberate.
Speaker 4: It is because I find that if you call them
Speaker 4: sex workers prostitutes, which I can't stand, it's all old,
Speaker 4: old school. Whereas you know, since running this business specifically,
Speaker 4: I think it's important to change. I'm trying to re
Speaker 4: educate people's perception of what it can be. And that's
Speaker 4: what her confidant's about. You know, it's a legitimate, you
Speaker 4: know business, just like any HR or PR agency that
Speaker 4: has integrity, values and standards, trust, transparency, and it's nothing
Speaker 4: more than that. And people just need to realize that
Speaker 4: that's what it is. And I'm here to teach people that.
Speaker 1: So when someone, you know, a guy wants to join
Speaker 1: your agency, he first, I imagine, inquires through your website
Speaker 1: and then what's the process. Take me through an example
Speaker 1: of one of the guys who is part of your
Speaker 1: agency now from the process of him first reaching out
Speaker 1: to you, how it played out.
Speaker 4: So they either email or they call, and I will
Speaker 4: ask them to then send through the inquiry by email,
Speaker 4: and it depends on the email what they write. Some
Speaker 4: of them write quite a bit of information about themselves
Speaker 4: and share a little bit about them which is really lovely.
Speaker 4: And then I can sort of tell by the way
Speaker 4: they've sort of started the conversation by email that I
Speaker 4: think I want to know a little bit more about him.
Speaker 4: So I will then send a questionnaire and there's about
Speaker 4: thirty five thirty six questions. There's a quite a few
Speaker 4: psychological questions. I really want to know what makes him tick,
Speaker 4: why does he want to do this?
Speaker 1: Who is he?
Speaker 4: And yeah, why does he want to do this type
Speaker 4: of work. I'll send that off to them, then they
Speaker 4: will come back with all the answers and the ones
Speaker 4: that I choose to go there next. If the answers are,
Speaker 4: you know, not just one word answers or two word
Speaker 4: answers like I like to fuck or I like to
Speaker 4: have sex, or you know, just really no substance behind it.
Speaker 4: So the ones that really sort of express themselves properly,
Speaker 4: I can see that they're educated, they can write, they
Speaker 4: can put two words together. I can really tell by
Speaker 4: the questionnaire that they seem like that would be a
Speaker 4: really great companion for the agency. So then I will
Speaker 4: contact them and say, would you like to do a
Speaker 4: face to face meet and we'll have a coffee. So
Speaker 4: I want to see what's on paper is it really
Speaker 4: same when I meet him face to face? And so
Speaker 4: we'll have a coffee. And there's been times where what's
Speaker 4: on the paper is not what's face to face. So
Speaker 4: then that sort of gives me, like, right, red flag.
Speaker 4: I see red flags really quickly now, I really know
Speaker 4: what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: What are your red flags?
Speaker 4: Red flags? I don't like men lying to me about
Speaker 4: their hids about certain things, so they'll put things on paper,
Speaker 4: like I had one recently fly in from Sydney. Like,
Speaker 4: he flew in from Sydney, and you know, he said
Speaker 4: he was around six foot because the gentlemen are between
Speaker 4: five foot ten and six foot four. That's what my
Speaker 4: clients require. And when I first got up to say
Speaker 4: hello to him, I noticed he was almost the same
Speaker 4: height on me and I'm just under five seven. And
Speaker 4: I turned around and said to him, how tall are you?
Speaker 4: That was my first question. He goes, oh, five eight,
Speaker 4: and I got him. Well, on the paperwork, you wrote
Speaker 4: five ten. And then he just changed my whole perception.
Speaker 4: And he flew in for a trial that day as well,
Speaker 4: so he just went from one red flag to the other,
Speaker 4: to the other to the other. It was shocking. The
Speaker 4: whole thing was just shocking. So that's why I'm so
Speaker 4: thorough with the questionnaire, then meeting them face to face,
Speaker 4: so then if the face to face goes well, I
Speaker 4: will then ask them if they're happy to do the trial,
Speaker 4: which they must, so they will book a hotel room
Speaker 4: of my choice in Melbourne. I've got one specifically. It's
Speaker 4: really boutiquey and small and beautiful. You know, there's not
Speaker 4: a lot of people. Everyone feels comfortable and the trial
Speaker 4: is simulated booking. So I want to see within that
Speaker 4: two hours how he greets her, how he meets that.
Speaker 4: They'll have a drink downstairs in the bar for about
Speaker 4: fifteen twenty minutes. I want to see how the conversation goes,
Speaker 4: whether he, you know, makes it feel at ease, whether
Speaker 4: he asks the right questions, not about him, it's not
Speaker 4: about him, and it's to be about the woman. And
Speaker 4: then after the fifteen to twenty minutes they go upstairs
Speaker 4: to the room. There'll be a selection of a playlist
Speaker 4: of music that she enjoys, just to break the ice,
Speaker 4: and then they'll move into a lovely massage to relax
Speaker 4: and unwind, and then into intimacy. And that all has
Speaker 4: to happen within the two hours, and if everything works
Speaker 4: and everyone's happy, then I will speak to the trialer
Speaker 4: after the two hours. She'll call me while she's driving
Speaker 4: home and let me know whether it's a yes or no,
Speaker 4: so the trialers know exactly what to expect as well
Speaker 4: from every part of that trial. Then I'll call the
Speaker 4: gentleman to say yes or no.
Speaker 1: I have so many questions. Tell me about the trialers.
Speaker 1: Who are they? Hello, my name is bul Kim.
Speaker 3: Hello, I'm James.
Speaker 4: They're all single. They're people that I know and people
Speaker 4: that are friends or friends, so I truly trust them
Speaker 4: with their decisions and how they feel.
Speaker 3: I'm passionate about creating moments where you can just be yourself,
Speaker 3: where you can explore your designs. Intimacy is best enjoyed
Speaker 3: when you're free to express yourself.
Speaker 4: You know, they've been in different relationships, They've had lots
Speaker 4: of experienced dating, so they you know, they're women ranging
Speaker 4: from thirties right to fifties, so there's a variety as well,
Speaker 4: different shapes, different sizes, and I just sort of pluck you.
Speaker 4: I see who was available for each trial, and yeah,
Speaker 4: we'd do it that way.
Speaker 1: Tell me about some times when the trial has called
Speaker 1: you on the way home and told you something that
Speaker 1: made you go.
Speaker 4: Now, well, this last one, the Sydney one.
Speaker 1: He so he still went to trial, even though he
Speaker 1: was shorter than advertised.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he flew in and the trial was in a
Speaker 4: few hours that day, and I had met because he
Speaker 4: was in Sydney. I couldn't meet him face to face.
Speaker 4: It was until trial day. Yeah, yeah, through zoom and
Speaker 4: he seemed great. And then when it came to the physical,
Speaker 4: you know, the fact that he was shorter than he said.
Speaker 4: I was not happy with that. When they met, it
Speaker 4: just went downhill. He spoke only about himself. I told
Speaker 4: him exactly the processes, what's involved. He didn't listen to
Speaker 4: any of it. He spoke about himself. He didn't ask
Speaker 4: much questions about her. Then when they went up there
Speaker 4: was no music. She had to remind him to put
Speaker 4: the music on about fifteen twenty minutes into the massage,
Speaker 4: and then he asked her if she could message serious seriously,
Speaker 4: it was hilarious.
Speaker 1: Did she have sex with him?
Speaker 4: No, he couldn't get it out.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, that would seem like a fairly they're really nervous.
Speaker 4: That they are really nervous because it is a test,
Speaker 4: and no matter what they say, oh, you know, no problem,
Speaker 4: some of them just can't get it out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I interviewed at male Scott once and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes that's a problem. And he said it's not about
Speaker 1: the physicality of the woman. It's sometimes just about the
Speaker 1: energy in the room. And sometimes it just doesn't work exactly.
Speaker 4: We're just human and that's fine. I've had male companion
Speaker 4: or gender going through trials and they just couldn't do it.
Speaker 4: And I knew overall they were great, so I have
Speaker 4: given them a second chance and they've done the trials
Speaker 4: and everything went well in just but this one, everything
Speaker 4: just you know, from beginning to end, it was and
Speaker 4: all I said to you, goes, oh I failed. I
Speaker 4: go no, it didn't really fail. It's just you're not
Speaker 4: right for this kind of work. That's really it. You know.
Speaker 4: He's a lovely guy overall, but just not right for
Speaker 4: this job. So had to be really gentle and be nice.
Speaker 4: And I just told him like it was, it's just
Speaker 4: not right for you. And I think you need to
Speaker 4: go out and date a bit and read a bit,
Speaker 4: and learn a bit more about women and their needs
Speaker 4: and not about your needs, because a lot of men
Speaker 4: think it's just all about them and their dicks, and
Speaker 4: it's not. Because if you can if you can really
Speaker 4: satisfy a woman and give her pleasure and really get
Speaker 4: into her head and allow her to just enjoy the sex,
Speaker 4: the connection. Then you're going to have the most incredible experience,
Speaker 4: incredible sex.
Speaker 1: I guess I know the answer to this, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to. I was going to ask you if you've
Speaker 1: ever hired a sex worker for yourself or used a
Speaker 1: sex worker before opening your agency.
Speaker 4: No I never, I haven't.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting to me.
Speaker 4: I've had really grade sex, so I know. The onny
Speaker 4: thing is I thought everyone else was having the amazing
Speaker 4: sex I was with my husband.
Speaker 1: But so, what you've got is the high bar, so
Speaker 1: to speak, the high bar. But what you don't have
Speaker 1: is knowing the specific I guess, vulnerability and headspace of
Speaker 1: a woman who is paying for sex. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can be empathetic and get in her head, but you've
Speaker 1: never actually been that woman. No, I haven't, so you
Speaker 1: have to walk in her shoes.
Speaker 4: I've had people that I know that have used services,
Speaker 4: and so I know from their point of views, but
Speaker 4: I physically myself have not.
Speaker 1: Paint me a picture of your average client. Who is she?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, average, they're very like, they're really very from
Speaker 4: late twenties right through to seventies, average would be probably
Speaker 4: in there this time round I'm seeing more women in
Speaker 4: their late thirties who are divorced, single or even married.
Speaker 4: Like there's been quite a few married women where their
Speaker 4: husbands are doing their own thing and they're sick of
Speaker 4: being ignored, and their gorgeous from the descriptions they give me,
Speaker 4: there could be supermodels, let's say. And they want to
Speaker 4: feel like a woman, they want to be touched, they
Speaker 4: want a human connection, and their husbands are not there.
Speaker 4: They're just mentally out and physically sometimes as well. So thirties, forties, fifties, sixties.
Speaker 1: There's no average type. You've got a really big broad spectrum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a huge spectrum. It just depends on where
Speaker 4: they are in their lives and what they want experience.
Speaker 1: I guess you mentioned married. Well, you've got clients who
Speaker 1: are single and who are married or partnered. Why don't
Speaker 1: they just go to a bar and pick up.
Speaker 4: They tell me that they're not interested in picking up duds.
Speaker 4: Safety reasons is number one for them with what's going on,
Speaker 4: especially in Australia, you know, with women being murdered and
Speaker 4: raped and the still thing, you know, where they take
Speaker 4: off the condoms while they're having sex the day rape,
Speaker 4: the drink spiking. They just they're getting off the apps.
Speaker 4: They don't they're not trusting it the apps, and they're
Speaker 4: not trusting the men that they're meeting at bars and clubs.
Speaker 4: It's for their safety.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm showing my age that I just said
Speaker 1: go to a bar and pick up What I meant
Speaker 1: was get on the apps. But yeah, there's also a
Speaker 1: lack of particularly if they're married, that's not very confidential
Speaker 1: or private, is it.
Speaker 4: No, No, you know, people can see them out. I
Speaker 4: guess it depends on if they're married or they're about
Speaker 4: to get divorced, where they're at mentally as well. I'm
Speaker 4: not here to break up marriages, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: But if a woman's telling me certain things that there
Speaker 4: possibly could be rape or you know, in some kind
Speaker 4: of harm, then absolutely she has every right to do
Speaker 4: whatever she needs to keep herself.
Speaker 1: So are there some women who need a corrective experience
Speaker 1: after a sexual assault and they need to know that
Speaker 1: they're in complete control of the situation.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I've had a lot of women who have had
Speaker 4: trauma rape as young young women, children, and during marriage
Speaker 4: as well, and they just want to be able to
Speaker 4: be with a man in the same room. And sometimes
Speaker 4: there's no sex, it's just talking to one of the companions.
Speaker 4: He said, for a whole two hours, we just sat
Speaker 4: there next to each other and just spoke, but sitting
Speaker 4: next to each other on the bed, not even facing
Speaker 4: each other, because she couldn't even do that. So you
Speaker 4: have to be really gentle and compassionate and really caring.
Speaker 4: And that's what these men have. They know how to
Speaker 4: be with a woman and listen and then make her
Speaker 4: feel more comfortable and relax and whatever she wants to
Speaker 4: sort of express and then sort of take it from
Speaker 4: where she is and whether there's no sex, there's no sex,
Speaker 4: if there is there is, I mean, every story is different,
Speaker 4: and it's really it's sad what women have you gone
Speaker 4: through in their lives and just heartbreaking some of the stories.
Speaker 4: And I just want them to know by opening up
Speaker 4: these agencies, is that they have an option, they have
Speaker 4: a choice, Their voices are heard. You know, they can change.
Speaker 4: They can get out of that marriage where he rapes
Speaker 4: you every night and she just can't get out, like
Speaker 4: it's horrible some of the stories.
Speaker 1: By the time she reaches out to you to book
Speaker 1: an escort, I imagine she's pretty nervous. Or is it
Speaker 1: that she's been thinking about it and wondering and looking
Speaker 1: at the website and coming back to the website, or
Speaker 1: is she just curious and she just wants to like
Speaker 1: explore the option and doesn't go through with the actual sex.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of variations of clients. So everything you've
Speaker 4: just mentioned, there will be women who I've had one
Speaker 4: who had my number for a whole year before she
Speaker 4: had the nerve to actually dial and ring, and that
Speaker 4: took her a whole years. Others, like, just two days ago,
Speaker 4: I had a lady email me and then we got
Speaker 4: on the phone. I find phone conversations are much easier
Speaker 4: than emails. You can really hear the voice. Yeah, really connect.
Speaker 4: I think that's really really important. And she's having a
Speaker 4: booking in a couple of weeks, so and what most
Speaker 4: of them say is like, oh, that wasn't that hard.
Speaker 4: That was actually quite fun and easy. And I said, well,
Speaker 4: you're just talking to me, you're, you know, just playing
Speaker 4: on little me and I'm here. Whatever you need, I'm here.
Speaker 4: I'm not judging. Share with me what you'd like to
Speaker 4: share and work through this together. I'm your wing woman.
Speaker 4: I tell them, you know, I'm here for you. So
Speaker 4: it's really beautiful that I can, you know, be a
Speaker 4: part of their life experiences and their special moments they have,
Speaker 4: and it's really really humbling.
Speaker 1: How do you protect the men who work for you?
Speaker 1: In terms of how do you check out the clients
Speaker 1: before you send them either to a hotel or to
Speaker 1: the person's house.
Speaker 4: I usually ask quite a few questions with the clients
Speaker 4: as well, like what profession you know they work in
Speaker 4: the industry. I need a physical description as well, so
Speaker 4: when they meet, the gentleman goes to the right woman
Speaker 4: and not to someone else, specially if it's a busy
Speaker 4: hotel for you.
Speaker 1: Do they usually meet in hotels.
Speaker 4: Most of the time. It's hotels in the foyers or
Speaker 4: in the bars or restaurants. A few more than comfortable
Speaker 4: to have the bookings at home, so I do get
Speaker 4: a lot of information. They share a lot about themselves,
Speaker 4: so I really sort of get to know them on
Speaker 4: a very personal level.
Speaker 1: Do women lie.
Speaker 4: No, No, they're pretty straightforward with me.
Speaker 1: So you haven't had situations where one of your scots
Speaker 1: turns up and it's like, oh, this is in a
Speaker 1: good situation. Or what she said is not tracking with
Speaker 1: who she seems to be.
Speaker 4: I haven't had any with her confidante. I did have
Speaker 4: a few clients back in the day with aphrodisiac and
Speaker 4: so then the more deeper questions came. You know, you
Speaker 4: learn on the job, and so I'm quite thorough and
Speaker 4: I speak to my clients to really really get to
Speaker 4: know them and who they are and what they want.
Speaker 1: The rest of my delightful chat with Anna after this
Speaker 1: short break, plus we hear from one of her clients,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you just a couple of terms
Speaker 1: that I've heard you refer to before. Tell me what
Speaker 1: being boy sober is.
Speaker 4: Boy sober is women not wanting to date men because
Speaker 4: of safety reasons. So that could be related to drink,
Speaker 4: spi king, rape, any of those forms of safety.
Speaker 1: So they've had some bad experiences, and they does that
Speaker 1: mean they're more likely to hire a sex worker rather
Speaker 1: than picking up or being on the app?
Speaker 4: They know what they're going to get. They know that.
Speaker 4: You know that gentlemen have gone through police checks, health checks,
Speaker 4: and I've got their driver's licenses, so they know they're
Speaker 4: in a safe space and they're professionals in what they do.
Speaker 4: They're great passionate lovers. So if that's what the client
Speaker 4: wance to experience, that's what she's going to get.
Speaker 1: It's estimated that forty five percent of women age twenty
Speaker 1: five to forty four will be single by twenty thirty.
Speaker 1: Why do you think that putting a male escort on
Speaker 1: retainer is going to be a trend of the future.
Speaker 4: Well, I see it sort of happening already in a
Speaker 4: way where you know, it's looking after yourself and women
Speaker 4: are sick and tide of looking after everyone else and
Speaker 4: no one really taking good care of them. So you
Speaker 4: know you're going have a message, you go and have
Speaker 4: your pilates. It's the same kind of concept. You know,
Speaker 4: you look after yourself mentally, physically, emotionally, you get taken
Speaker 4: care of and you know you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 4: having the wellness aspect of it, having orgasms, being touched.
Speaker 4: It's so important. The endorphins that the dopamine. It's a distress.
Speaker 4: You know, how many times have you had sex and
Speaker 4: in the evening and then you sleep like a baby
Speaker 4: because sex distresses you. It's a it's a natural listen
Speaker 4: all drug. If it's good exactly if it's good. So
Speaker 4: it's really really healthy to have orgasms, to have sex,
Speaker 4: to have touched that human connection. It's vital for our
Speaker 4: well being as humans.
Speaker 1: When I'm looking at the website and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the guys, they're all very well built. They're all of
Speaker 1: a similar body type. Is that because that's what women want?
Speaker 4: No, they just look after themselves. They don't have to
Speaker 4: look that way, but they just happen to be that way.
Speaker 4: You know, they need to look after themselves to a degree.
Speaker 4: But all of the women say to me that, oh,
Speaker 4: they're happy with dad bods and stuff like that as well.
Speaker 4: So it just depends on the overall aspect of the gentlemen.
Speaker 4: They're out externally and internally. They need to be perfect
Speaker 4: overall for me. So they just happen to enjoy going
Speaker 4: to the gym and working out and looking after themselves.
Speaker 4: They've done that all their lives. It's not for now
Speaker 4: or for this type of job. It's just something they do.
Speaker 2: Fitness is a significant part of my life, and I
Speaker 2: am dedicated to maintaining a healthy lifestyle. When I'm not
Speaker 2: at the gym.
Speaker 4: You can offer go to the human It's the same
Speaker 4: kind of thing for them.
Speaker 1: What have you noticed about We all like to think
Speaker 1: that we've got very specific sexual preferences and physical preferences.
Speaker 1: But what have you noticed women have in common in
Speaker 1: terms of the type of guy that they choose.
Speaker 4: Someonant a younger gentleman. The older ones want a younger
Speaker 4: gentleman experience how much younger, twenties, thirties, younger. Yeah, they
Speaker 4: want someone younger because they're young at heart. They just
Speaker 4: want to bring in there inner child out. That's what
Speaker 4: it's really about and having fun with the whole thing.
Speaker 4: And the gentlemen, they enjoy every aspect, like every age
Speaker 4: of a woman. So they don't have a specific type.
Speaker 4: That's the type of men I work with. They can't
Speaker 4: a type. They love all I aspect all different types
Speaker 4: of women. So the ladies, yeah, some of them want
Speaker 4: someone closer to their age. They're happy to have someone
Speaker 4: around their age, so if they're in their fifties, someone
Speaker 4: in their fifties or maybe sixty. But a lot of
Speaker 4: them enjoy the younger gentlemen as well, who are in
Speaker 4: their thirties.
Speaker 1: Do you have rules about repeat bookings?
Speaker 4: No, they can repeat book I'm always on top of it.
Speaker 4: Mental health and attachment. So I learnt a lot about
Speaker 4: that in my first agency, and I speak to the
Speaker 4: gentlemen constantly regarding, you know, with debriefing before and after
Speaker 4: every booking, as well as the client. Oh, I'm on
Speaker 4: top of all that.
Speaker 1: Not a talking anna, Yes, I know, I love it.
Speaker 4: I think I you know, back in eighty nine when
Speaker 4: I finished high school, I don't know if you were
Speaker 4: in the same year.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I.
Speaker 4: Didn't have psychology. I really loved psychology, and psychology wasn't
Speaker 4: an option, so I used to read my husband's medical
Speaker 4: psychology books while he was studying. I just read a
Speaker 4: lot of that, you know. I always watched Oprah. Oprah's
Speaker 4: my guru, and she just went places where no one
Speaker 4: else did. And I learnt a lot from her as well.
Speaker 4: And magazines as you know, your cosmos, your clears, your dollies,
Speaker 4: just and reading lots of books. So yeah, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of talking, and I think it's important we need
Speaker 4: to communicate and really hear each other and know exactly
Speaker 4: what where we stand and what everyone wants and to
Speaker 4: be on the same page.
Speaker 1: How do you stop women getting attached? Because here's this guy,
Speaker 1: he just wants to talk to me. He just is
Speaker 1: focused on my pleasure.
Speaker 4: And they do. They're pretty perfect gentleman. So I always
Speaker 4: speak to the clients and they are aware that it
Speaker 4: is a booking. There's no strings attached as such, and
Speaker 4: it's a their former friendship of sorts, and yeah, they
Speaker 4: just have fun with each other when they catch up
Speaker 4: and that's all it is. How much does it cost
Speaker 4: it varies. Our boyfriend experience is sixteen hundred dollars for
Speaker 4: the two hours. It depends on what the client wants.
Speaker 4: Social companions five hundred dollars an hour.
Speaker 1: What is a social companion booking?
Speaker 4: That's someone to come with you to a function, a dinner,
Speaker 4: a theater, no, no intimacy, just social, go for a drive,
Speaker 4: go for a walk.
Speaker 1: And is that popular? What kind of is that? Like
Speaker 1: the gateway drug to people who might be a bit nervous,
Speaker 1: and so they'll do that first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of them do, like a one hour companion.
Speaker 4: First they'll sit down and have a drink, have a chat,
Speaker 4: and then they will move into the intimacy aspect of
Speaker 4: the booking.
Speaker 1: So you do have to be pretty well off to
Speaker 1: afford a male squad.
Speaker 4: Well, some women actually save Even with my previous agency,
Speaker 4: a lot of women would save up because they knew
Speaker 4: the importance of the experience, and you know, like you
Speaker 4: save up for an expensive Chanelberg or shoes or clothes,
Speaker 4: they would save up for that and have really incredible
Speaker 4: life changing experiences. A lot of women can afford it,
Speaker 4: but the ones that can't, they will save for it.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the Ultimate Pleasure Week, which costs twenty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That's the most expensive experience that you offer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what would if that was me? What would I get
Speaker 1: for that week?
Speaker 4: Well? Where would you like to go? Where would you
Speaker 4: like to take him with you? Where are we flying to?
Speaker 1: So that is if someone's going on holiday, or you
Speaker 1: might build a holiday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could have an in house holiday. It's totally
Speaker 4: up to you. The gentlemen cook their message.
Speaker 1: Wow, do any women get that? What kind of women
Speaker 1: get that? And what do they do with that week?
Speaker 4: It's becoming a bit more popular. Maybe you know, once
Speaker 4: a month we get one of those. And a lot
Speaker 4: of corporate women do it because they're so married to
Speaker 4: their jobs and they don't have kids at home. They
Speaker 4: want to have a break and just unwind and the
Speaker 4: gentlemen come along to wherever they need to go, whether
Speaker 4: it's overseas or Ballei or wherever they want to go
Speaker 4: or within Australia and they just spend a week of exploring.
Speaker 4: The gentlemen can all put an itinery together if that's
Speaker 4: what she wants, unless she wants to have the itinery
Speaker 4: organized and just go and explore and have fun and
Speaker 4: have the intimacy aspect, have dinners together, lunches and also
Speaker 4: have breaks from each other as well, because they are
Speaker 4: human and you.
Speaker 1: Know everyone needs some downtime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they like to go for a walk and explore
Speaker 4: on their own and sleep is important as well, so
Speaker 4: you rest it up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, overall, you know they're not a vibrator.
Speaker 4: No, you're dealing with too mature you know, adults. So yeah,
Speaker 4: they work it out between them.
Speaker 1: What about the boundaries around sex, how are they navigated?
Speaker 4: Well, gentlemen are pretty open to a lot of different
Speaker 4: experiences sexually, so we know we offer threesomes as well.
Speaker 4: The gentlemen are all heterosexual, so that's only you know,
Speaker 4: servicing the female and their partners are either watching or
Speaker 4: participating with the female, not with the man.
Speaker 1: So some couples hire a male escort to have sex
Speaker 1: with the woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that they're quite popular and a lot of the men,
Speaker 4: the husbands or partners, actually book these for their wives
Speaker 4: or partners.
Speaker 1: And how do you make sure that the women are
Speaker 1: actually into it?
Speaker 4: I get to speak to the woman beforehand, because I
Speaker 4: actually just had a phone call a few weeks ago
Speaker 4: from a gentleman who said, I want to book a
Speaker 4: threesome with my wife, And I said, if you are
Speaker 4: where that you're doing this for Hia, No, no, it's
Speaker 4: my fantasy. I go, that's nice for you. I said, no,
Speaker 4: unless I speak to her and she's okay with it,
Speaker 4: it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: And you didn't spect to her. Obviously it didn't happen.
Speaker 4: Please please call me two three times And I said, no, no,
Speaker 4: not doing that. I mean he might have called someone
Speaker 4: else and someone else wouldn't have cared, unfortunately. But I'm
Speaker 4: not going to be forcing any woman into any situation
Speaker 4: she doesn't want to be in.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like women are good at asking for
Speaker 1: what they want or do you need to give them
Speaker 1: a little pep talk before their experience?
Speaker 4: Some some are still sort of I don't that they
Speaker 4: have no idea what do they want? I said, what
Speaker 4: would you like to experience that? Actually, no one's ever
Speaker 4: asked me that, And for the first time ever, they've
Speaker 4: just been able to just be about them and no
Speaker 4: one else, and it's it's quite sort of overwhelming for them,
Speaker 4: and they have the most incredible experience. But yeah, a
Speaker 4: lot of them don't even know what to ask for.
Speaker 4: So I give them options. You can experience this, you
Speaker 4: can experience that, and then they say, oh, yeah, that
Speaker 4: might be a great idea, or or let the gentlemen lead.
Speaker 4: A lot of them would like the gentlemen to lead
Speaker 4: right through. Yeah, it depends on the clients. Some know
Speaker 4: exactly what they want, take your clothes off right now
Speaker 4: here and there and let's do it, and others others don't.
Speaker 4: So we're all sort of wired up differently.
Speaker 1: You know, what if someone just catches feelings that must
Speaker 1: happen sometimes, what if they fall in love? Or Am
Speaker 1: I being silly?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, they do. They do because they are just humans. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they're humans. But also a lot of women have been
Speaker 4: calling them the last few months unicorns, and I find
Speaker 4: that really cute because they're so rare and so unique.
Speaker 4: I guess that's the first time I've heard of women
Speaker 4: calling the companion's unicorns.
Speaker 1: I guess though it's not real because they're being paid
Speaker 1: to not have any needs or want the guys.
Speaker 4: But the guys are being genuinely themselves. They actually enjoy
Speaker 4: the whole experience. They love meeting people. That's just their personality.
Speaker 4: So you're getting a man who is genuinely himself, the
Speaker 4: raw deal. He's not pretending to be anyone else by himself.
Speaker 4: That's why I go through my processes to find genuine,
Speaker 4: good hearted humans, and I find them through a lot.
Speaker 1: And in addition to the male companions that you employ,
Speaker 1: you also have one female companion on your books. Does
Speaker 1: some women call to book a woman?
Speaker 4: Yeah, A lot of women want to experience a woman,
Speaker 4: experience something they've had as a bucket list, something they've wanted,
Speaker 4: maybe from childhood, but to a shame to experience or
Speaker 4: ask for it. Even being married to a man, they've
Speaker 4: always sort of wanted to experience a woman.
Speaker 1: Is that getting more popular slowly? It is.
Speaker 4: I think she's just sort of joined us in the
Speaker 4: last few months. But she did work with me in
Speaker 4: aphrodisiac as well for a while. So yeah, it depends
Speaker 4: what the client really wants to experience.
Speaker 1: Your family, obviously, you're an open book. Your husband knows
Speaker 1: exactly what you do. As to your children, you do
Speaker 1: seem very normal. I don't even mean that sounds condescending,
Speaker 1: but you are very normal. Like the idea of what
Speaker 1: a madam might be or the owner of an escort agency.
Speaker 1: You don't fit that stereotype. And I guess it's a
Speaker 1: stereotype because it doesn't apply to everybody. Well, how do
Speaker 1: you describe your role? You very open? I mean you
Speaker 1: clearly are open about what you do.
Speaker 4: I'm very proud and never hide what I do. I
Speaker 4: think it's an important service that I provide and I
Speaker 4: talk about it all the time. The boys with teenagers
Speaker 4: when I opened, they couldn't really grasp what it was about.
Speaker 4: They used to call me a pimp. That's helpful, I said.
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not a pimp. This is in a
Speaker 4: legit service. But you know, young boys at fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 4: they have no idea, you know, when they started to
Speaker 4: have sex. I used to give them boxes of condoms
Speaker 4: and said to them, always if it's not on, it's
Speaker 4: not on, and be good gentlemen and be respectful.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I've always had those conversations with them. I
Speaker 4: am Hawaii. My friends except me that I've always been
Speaker 4: very cheeky, very sort of curious about different things. Definitely
Speaker 4: life of the party. I've had a lot of crazy
Speaker 4: parties in my life as well. I'm a bit of
Speaker 4: a party girl. Love to always a good surprise party
Speaker 4: for my family, my husband and friends. Love having fun
Speaker 4: with life and enjoying every aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Finally, if someone's listening and they're curious and they want
Speaker 1: to explore maybe hiring an escort, what step one do
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 4: Step one would probably just give me a call or
Speaker 4: an email if you feel a bit uncomfortable calling because
Speaker 4: they're not sure who's going to answer. But it's always
Speaker 4: me at this point of time, I am for the phones.
Speaker 4: I love to really connect with my clients and really,
Speaker 4: you know, get to know them, as I said, on
Speaker 4: a personal level, and then create and tailor a beautiful
Speaker 4: experience for them.
Speaker 1: Well that was interesting, wasn't it. Are you tempted after
Speaker 1: hearing that conversation? This isn't like sponsored content for her agency.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you a discount quote or anything.
Speaker 1: But if you do end up doing it for yourself
Speaker 1: or you recommend it to a friend and your book
Speaker 1: one about is companions, we'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1: You can reach out to us anonymously and tell us
Speaker 1: your story. Or maybe you've had an experience with another escort,
Speaker 1: a male escort, a female escort. We'd love to hear
Speaker 1: from you. And that is actually what my next guest
Speaker 1: is about to share with us. We've changed her voice
Speaker 1: and we are using the name Alexandra to protect her privacy,
Speaker 1: but I cannot wait for you to hear about the
Speaker 1: life changing sperience she had with James. That's in Part two.
Speaker 1: I'll meet you there link in the show notes