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Speaker 2: My name is Sebastian. I was born in Australia and

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Speaker 2: At first glance, people might label me as a bad

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Speaker 1: Value from momma. I'm Meya Friedman and don't worry, this

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Speaker 1: is no filter. You haven't stumbled into the wrong podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm James. I can't think of anything more exciting than

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Speaker 3: the thought of finding ways to enjoy the pleasure of

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Speaker 3: being truly present together, whether it's cuddling to a film

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Speaker 3: or exploring something more sensual together.

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Speaker 1: Will that's the voice of James that you just heard.

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Speaker 1: He is a male escort who works for an agency

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Speaker 1: called Her Confidant, which matches female clients with male escorts

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Speaker 1: for all kinds of reasons, but mostly for sex. Her

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Speaker 1: Confidante was founded by Anna Grossman, who is my guest

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Speaker 1: today and the conversation you're about to hear between the

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Speaker 1: two of us is going to challenge your beliefs and

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Speaker 1: your ideas and maybe your prejudices or preconceptions around sex

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Speaker 1: work and intimacy and pleasure. When you think about what

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Speaker 1: the owner of an escort agency might be like, Anna

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Speaker 1: really doesn't fit that stereotype. She has a great origin

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Speaker 1: story that you're going to love, and as you're about

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Speaker 1: to hear, the men who work for her also aren't

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Speaker 1: what you might expect. In fact, it might surprise you

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Speaker 1: to learn that nobody in this story is a stereotype,

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Speaker 1: because people are not stereotypes. Not Anna, not the male

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Speaker 1: escorts whose voices you're going to hear throughout the episode,

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Speaker 1: and not the women who pay for their services. You're

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Speaker 1: going to meet one of them too, because the sex industry,

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Speaker 1: like every other profession, is a word place full of

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Speaker 1: regular people whose jobs just happen to revolve around sex.

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Speaker 1: There are many reasons, as I said, why women hire

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Speaker 1: male escorts. And what I didn't expect when I sat

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Speaker 1: call Alexandra, who is one of our's clients, what I

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Speaker 1: joined me via zoom, and if I'd expected her to

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Speaker 4: I was quite curious and sexually curious from a very

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Speaker 4: I think probably from the age of sixteen seventeen, I've

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Speaker 1: That's so wonderful because for so many women, particularly their

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had sex with anyone else?

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Speaker 4: We've always just explored played right through the thirty six years.

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Speaker 1: You started your first mail escort agency back in twenty twelve.

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Speaker 4: love connecting with people, and some of them would like

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Speaker 4: years of research prior to opening up Afridisiac because we

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Speaker 4: a dim, dirty, you know, CD service industry, and yes,

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Speaker 4: absolutely there are there are agencies and brothels that are

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Speaker 4: safety was number one for us for all our clients

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Speaker 4: plus our gentlemen. So we as businesswomen, ran it completely

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Speaker 1: Now, what is the first step that you take when

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Speaker 4: I can't remember exactly the first person, but I had

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Speaker 4: I've never actually worked with a male companion who has

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Speaker 4: Yet it's something because they absolutely love doing this type

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Speaker 1: this short break. So from your experience in the industry, now,

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Speaker 4: Well, firstly, I choose them because they're quite passionate, and

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Speaker 4: they just want a really good fuck. That's what women

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, I guess it's different for every woman.

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Speaker 4: They tell me afterwards that's what they did, and they

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Speaker 4: So they either email or they call, and I will

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Speaker 4: then after the fifteen to twenty minutes they go upstairs

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00:25:00,645 --> 00:25:04,205
Speaker 4: to the room. There'll be a selection of a playlist

435
00:25:04,245 --> 00:25:07,125
Speaker 4: of music that she enjoys, just to break the ice,

436
00:25:07,565 --> 00:25:11,205
Speaker 4: and then they'll move into a lovely massage to relax

437
00:25:11,365 --> 00:25:14,085
Speaker 4: and unwind, and then into intimacy. And that all has

438
00:25:14,125 --> 00:25:17,485
Speaker 4: to happen within the two hours, and if everything works

439
00:25:17,525 --> 00:25:21,925
Speaker 4: and everyone's happy, then I will speak to the trialer

440
00:25:22,165 --> 00:25:24,885
Speaker 4: after the two hours. She'll call me while she's driving

441
00:25:24,925 --> 00:25:27,485
Speaker 4: home and let me know whether it's a yes or no,

442
00:25:27,525 --> 00:25:30,045
Speaker 4: so the trialers know exactly what to expect as well

443
00:25:30,085 --> 00:25:33,165
Speaker 4: from every part of that trial. Then I'll call the

444
00:25:33,205 --> 00:25:34,365
Speaker 4: gentleman to say yes or no.

445
00:25:35,205 --> 00:25:37,965
Speaker 1: I have so many questions. Tell me about the trialers.

446
00:25:38,125 --> 00:25:41,605
Speaker 1: Who are they? Hello, my name is bul Kim.

447
00:25:41,925 --> 00:25:43,685
Speaker 3: Hello, I'm James.

448
00:25:44,005 --> 00:25:48,725
Speaker 4: They're all single. They're people that I know and people

449
00:25:48,885 --> 00:25:53,565
Speaker 4: that are friends or friends, so I truly trust them

450
00:25:53,765 --> 00:25:56,085
Speaker 4: with their decisions and how they feel.

451
00:25:56,445 --> 00:26:00,045
Speaker 3: I'm passionate about creating moments where you can just be yourself,

452
00:26:00,245 --> 00:26:04,765
Speaker 3: where you can explore your designs. Intimacy is best enjoyed

453
00:26:04,805 --> 00:26:06,565
Speaker 3: when you're free to express yourself.

454
00:26:06,805 --> 00:26:09,605
Speaker 4: You know, they've been in different relationships, They've had lots

455
00:26:09,605 --> 00:26:12,845
Speaker 4: of experienced dating, so they you know, they're women ranging

456
00:26:12,885 --> 00:26:16,125
Speaker 4: from thirties right to fifties, so there's a variety as well,

457
00:26:16,245 --> 00:26:20,285
Speaker 4: different shapes, different sizes, and I just sort of pluck you.

458
00:26:20,365 --> 00:26:23,245
Speaker 4: I see who was available for each trial, and yeah,

459
00:26:23,285 --> 00:26:24,285
Speaker 4: we'd do it that way.

460
00:26:24,525 --> 00:26:28,365
Speaker 1: Tell me about some times when the trial has called

461
00:26:28,365 --> 00:26:30,565
Speaker 1: you on the way home and told you something that

462
00:26:30,645 --> 00:26:31,165
Speaker 1: made you go.

463
00:26:31,485 --> 00:26:35,165
Speaker 4: Now, well, this last one, the Sydney one.

464
00:26:36,965 --> 00:26:41,725
Speaker 1: He so he still went to trial, even though he

465
00:26:41,885 --> 00:26:43,565
Speaker 1: was shorter than advertised.

466
00:26:44,045 --> 00:26:47,005
Speaker 4: Yeah, he flew in and the trial was in a

467
00:26:47,005 --> 00:26:50,885
Speaker 4: few hours that day, and I had met because he

468
00:26:50,925 --> 00:26:52,725
Speaker 4: was in Sydney. I couldn't meet him face to face.

469
00:26:52,805 --> 00:26:56,365
Speaker 4: It was until trial day. Yeah, yeah, through zoom and

470
00:26:56,405 --> 00:27:00,765
Speaker 4: he seemed great. And then when it came to the physical,

471
00:27:01,205 --> 00:27:03,245
Speaker 4: you know, the fact that he was shorter than he said.

472
00:27:03,285 --> 00:27:06,925
Speaker 4: I was not happy with that. When they met, it

473
00:27:07,085 --> 00:27:11,125
Speaker 4: just went downhill. He spoke only about himself. I told

474
00:27:11,205 --> 00:27:15,325
Speaker 4: him exactly the processes, what's involved. He didn't listen to

475
00:27:15,445 --> 00:27:18,445
Speaker 4: any of it. He spoke about himself. He didn't ask

476
00:27:18,525 --> 00:27:21,525
Speaker 4: much questions about her. Then when they went up there

477
00:27:21,605 --> 00:27:23,605
Speaker 4: was no music. She had to remind him to put

478
00:27:23,605 --> 00:27:26,725
Speaker 4: the music on about fifteen twenty minutes into the massage,

479
00:27:27,125 --> 00:27:34,685
Speaker 4: and then he asked her if she could message serious seriously,

480
00:27:34,685 --> 00:27:35,605
Speaker 4: it was hilarious.

481
00:27:35,645 --> 00:27:36,645
Speaker 1: Did she have sex with him?

482
00:27:37,045 --> 00:27:38,045
Speaker 4: No, he couldn't get it out.

483
00:27:38,085 --> 00:27:41,765
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, that would seem like a fairly they're really nervous.

484
00:27:41,765 --> 00:27:43,965
Speaker 4: That they are really nervous because it is a test,

485
00:27:44,685 --> 00:27:47,845
Speaker 4: and no matter what they say, oh, you know, no problem,

486
00:27:48,565 --> 00:27:49,845
Speaker 4: some of them just can't get it out.

487
00:27:49,925 --> 00:27:50,405
Speaker 3: Yeah.

488
00:27:50,445 --> 00:27:52,765
Speaker 1: I interviewed at male Scott once and he said, yeah,

489
00:27:52,805 --> 00:27:55,805
Speaker 1: sometimes that's a problem. And he said it's not about

490
00:27:55,845 --> 00:27:59,445
Speaker 1: the physicality of the woman. It's sometimes just about the

491
00:27:59,605 --> 00:28:04,725
Speaker 1: energy in the room. And sometimes it just doesn't work exactly.

492
00:28:04,765 --> 00:28:08,765
Speaker 4: We're just human and that's fine. I've had male companion

493
00:28:08,965 --> 00:28:12,165
Speaker 4: or gender going through trials and they just couldn't do it.

494
00:28:12,205 --> 00:28:15,125
Speaker 4: And I knew overall they were great, so I have

495
00:28:15,285 --> 00:28:17,525
Speaker 4: given them a second chance and they've done the trials

496
00:28:17,525 --> 00:28:21,645
Speaker 4: and everything went well in just but this one, everything

497
00:28:21,805 --> 00:28:25,005
Speaker 4: just you know, from beginning to end, it was and

498
00:28:25,285 --> 00:28:26,845
Speaker 4: all I said to you, goes, oh I failed. I

499
00:28:26,965 --> 00:28:28,845
Speaker 4: go no, it didn't really fail. It's just you're not

500
00:28:28,925 --> 00:28:31,725
Speaker 4: right for this kind of work. That's really it. You know.

501
00:28:31,765 --> 00:28:35,285
Speaker 4: He's a lovely guy overall, but just not right for

502
00:28:35,365 --> 00:28:41,925
Speaker 4: this job. So had to be really gentle and be nice.

503
00:28:42,325 --> 00:28:44,885
Speaker 4: And I just told him like it was, it's just

504
00:28:44,965 --> 00:28:47,085
Speaker 4: not right for you. And I think you need to

505
00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:49,285
Speaker 4: go out and date a bit and read a bit,

506
00:28:49,365 --> 00:28:52,125
Speaker 4: and learn a bit more about women and their needs

507
00:28:52,205 --> 00:28:54,725
Speaker 4: and not about your needs, because a lot of men

508
00:28:54,885 --> 00:28:57,005
Speaker 4: think it's just all about them and their dicks, and

509
00:28:57,725 --> 00:29:01,205
Speaker 4: it's not. Because if you can if you can really

510
00:29:01,245 --> 00:29:06,605
Speaker 4: satisfy a woman and give her pleasure and really get

511
00:29:06,645 --> 00:29:10,845
Speaker 4: into her head and allow her to just enjoy the sex,

512
00:29:10,925 --> 00:29:14,365
Speaker 4: the connection. Then you're going to have the most incredible experience,

513
00:29:14,565 --> 00:29:15,525
Speaker 4: incredible sex.

514
00:29:16,045 --> 00:29:18,005
Speaker 1: I guess I know the answer to this, but I

515
00:29:18,365 --> 00:29:19,925
Speaker 1: wanted to. I was going to ask you if you've

516
00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:22,245
Speaker 1: ever hired a sex worker for yourself or used a

517
00:29:22,285 --> 00:29:24,165
Speaker 1: sex worker before opening your agency.

518
00:29:25,245 --> 00:29:26,605
Speaker 4: No I never, I haven't.

519
00:29:27,205 --> 00:29:29,645
Speaker 1: That's so interesting to me.

520
00:29:29,925 --> 00:29:33,245
Speaker 4: I've had really grade sex, so I know. The onny

521
00:29:33,245 --> 00:29:35,325
Speaker 4: thing is I thought everyone else was having the amazing

522
00:29:35,365 --> 00:29:36,765
Speaker 4: sex I was with my husband.

523
00:29:36,885 --> 00:29:41,285
Speaker 1: But so, what you've got is the high bar, so

524
00:29:41,325 --> 00:29:48,005
Speaker 1: to speak, the high bar. But what you don't have

525
00:29:48,485 --> 00:29:54,565
Speaker 1: is knowing the specific I guess, vulnerability and headspace of

526
00:29:54,605 --> 00:29:56,125
Speaker 1: a woman who is paying for sex. I mean, you

527
00:29:56,165 --> 00:29:57,845
Speaker 1: can be empathetic and get in her head, but you've

528
00:29:57,885 --> 00:30:00,645
Speaker 1: never actually been that woman. No, I haven't, so you

529
00:30:00,685 --> 00:30:01,725
Speaker 1: have to walk in her shoes.

530
00:30:01,805 --> 00:30:04,925
Speaker 4: I've had people that I know that have used services,

531
00:30:05,245 --> 00:30:07,645
Speaker 4: and so I know from their point of views, but

532
00:30:07,685 --> 00:30:09,005
Speaker 4: I physically myself have not.

533
00:30:09,925 --> 00:30:12,365
Speaker 1: Paint me a picture of your average client. Who is she?

534
00:30:13,005 --> 00:30:17,285
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, average, they're very like, they're really very from

535
00:30:17,445 --> 00:30:21,285
Speaker 4: late twenties right through to seventies, average would be probably

536
00:30:21,365 --> 00:30:25,565
Speaker 4: in there this time round I'm seeing more women in

537
00:30:25,605 --> 00:30:31,125
Speaker 4: their late thirties who are divorced, single or even married.

538
00:30:31,245 --> 00:30:33,605
Speaker 4: Like there's been quite a few married women where their

539
00:30:33,685 --> 00:30:36,925
Speaker 4: husbands are doing their own thing and they're sick of

540
00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:41,445
Speaker 4: being ignored, and their gorgeous from the descriptions they give me,

541
00:30:41,485 --> 00:30:46,085
Speaker 4: there could be supermodels, let's say. And they want to

542
00:30:46,085 --> 00:30:48,885
Speaker 4: feel like a woman, they want to be touched, they

543
00:30:48,925 --> 00:30:51,365
Speaker 4: want a human connection, and their husbands are not there.

544
00:30:51,845 --> 00:30:59,325
Speaker 4: They're just mentally out and physically sometimes as well. So thirties, forties, fifties, sixties.

545
00:30:59,365 --> 00:31:02,725
Speaker 1: There's no average type. You've got a really big broad spectrum.

546
00:31:02,885 --> 00:31:06,885
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a huge spectrum. It just depends on where

547
00:31:06,885 --> 00:31:10,165
Speaker 4: they are in their lives and what they want experience.

548
00:31:10,285 --> 00:31:15,645
Speaker 1: I guess you mentioned married. Well, you've got clients who

549
00:31:15,685 --> 00:31:19,365
Speaker 1: are single and who are married or partnered. Why don't

550
00:31:19,405 --> 00:31:20,885
Speaker 1: they just go to a bar and pick up.

551
00:31:21,805 --> 00:31:24,845
Speaker 4: They tell me that they're not interested in picking up duds.

552
00:31:25,445 --> 00:31:29,005
Speaker 4: Safety reasons is number one for them with what's going on,

553
00:31:29,125 --> 00:31:32,325
Speaker 4: especially in Australia, you know, with women being murdered and

554
00:31:32,485 --> 00:31:35,805
Speaker 4: raped and the still thing, you know, where they take

555
00:31:35,845 --> 00:31:39,645
Speaker 4: off the condoms while they're having sex the day rape,

556
00:31:39,885 --> 00:31:43,485
Speaker 4: the drink spiking. They just they're getting off the apps.

557
00:31:43,525 --> 00:31:46,605
Speaker 4: They don't they're not trusting it the apps, and they're

558
00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:51,085
Speaker 4: not trusting the men that they're meeting at bars and clubs.

559
00:31:50,125 --> 00:31:51,845
Speaker 4: It's for their safety.

560
00:31:51,925 --> 00:31:53,525
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm showing my age that I just said

561
00:31:53,525 --> 00:31:54,965
Speaker 1: go to a bar and pick up What I meant

562
00:31:55,005 --> 00:31:57,565
Speaker 1: was get on the apps. But yeah, there's also a

563
00:31:57,725 --> 00:32:02,405
Speaker 1: lack of particularly if they're married, that's not very confidential

564
00:32:02,485 --> 00:32:03,325
Speaker 1: or private, is it.

565
00:32:03,885 --> 00:32:07,885
Speaker 4: No, No, you know, people can see them out. I

566
00:32:07,925 --> 00:32:10,485
Speaker 4: guess it depends on if they're married or they're about

567
00:32:10,525 --> 00:32:13,805
Speaker 4: to get divorced, where they're at mentally as well. I'm

568
00:32:13,845 --> 00:32:16,005
Speaker 4: not here to break up marriages, don't get me wrong,

569
00:32:16,565 --> 00:32:19,965
Speaker 4: But if a woman's telling me certain things that there

570
00:32:20,125 --> 00:32:24,005
Speaker 4: possibly could be rape or you know, in some kind

571
00:32:24,005 --> 00:32:26,965
Speaker 4: of harm, then absolutely she has every right to do

572
00:32:27,005 --> 00:32:29,045
Speaker 4: whatever she needs to keep herself.

573
00:32:29,125 --> 00:32:45,805
Speaker 1: So are there some women who need a corrective experience

574
00:32:46,005 --> 00:32:48,885
Speaker 1: after a sexual assault and they need to know that

575
00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:51,045
Speaker 1: they're in complete control of the situation.

576
00:32:51,365 --> 00:32:54,645
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I've had a lot of women who have had

577
00:32:54,765 --> 00:33:00,205
Speaker 4: trauma rape as young young women, children, and during marriage

578
00:33:00,205 --> 00:33:04,685
Speaker 4: as well, and they just want to be able to

579
00:33:04,725 --> 00:33:07,285
Speaker 4: be with a man in the same room. And sometimes

580
00:33:07,325 --> 00:33:10,605
Speaker 4: there's no sex, it's just talking to one of the companions.

581
00:33:10,605 --> 00:33:13,045
Speaker 4: He said, for a whole two hours, we just sat

582
00:33:13,045 --> 00:33:16,405
Speaker 4: there next to each other and just spoke, but sitting

583
00:33:16,445 --> 00:33:18,485
Speaker 4: next to each other on the bed, not even facing

584
00:33:18,485 --> 00:33:21,765
Speaker 4: each other, because she couldn't even do that. So you

585
00:33:21,885 --> 00:33:25,485
Speaker 4: have to be really gentle and compassionate and really caring.

586
00:33:25,765 --> 00:33:28,685
Speaker 4: And that's what these men have. They know how to

587
00:33:28,725 --> 00:33:32,845
Speaker 4: be with a woman and listen and then make her

588
00:33:32,925 --> 00:33:36,405
Speaker 4: feel more comfortable and relax and whatever she wants to

589
00:33:36,405 --> 00:33:39,525
Speaker 4: sort of express and then sort of take it from

590
00:33:39,565 --> 00:33:43,725
Speaker 4: where she is and whether there's no sex, there's no sex,

591
00:33:44,045 --> 00:33:47,325
Speaker 4: if there is there is, I mean, every story is different,

592
00:33:47,565 --> 00:33:52,965
Speaker 4: and it's really it's sad what women have you gone

593
00:33:53,085 --> 00:33:57,365
Speaker 4: through in their lives and just heartbreaking some of the stories.

594
00:33:57,725 --> 00:34:00,485
Speaker 4: And I just want them to know by opening up

595
00:34:00,525 --> 00:34:02,925
Speaker 4: these agencies, is that they have an option, they have

596
00:34:02,965 --> 00:34:06,485
Speaker 4: a choice, Their voices are heard. You know, they can change.

597
00:34:06,525 --> 00:34:08,605
Speaker 4: They can get out of that marriage where he rapes

598
00:34:08,645 --> 00:34:11,565
Speaker 4: you every night and she just can't get out, like

599
00:34:11,645 --> 00:34:14,765
Speaker 4: it's horrible some of the stories.

600
00:34:15,525 --> 00:34:18,045
Speaker 1: By the time she reaches out to you to book

601
00:34:18,045 --> 00:34:22,165
Speaker 1: an escort, I imagine she's pretty nervous. Or is it

602
00:34:22,285 --> 00:34:26,005
Speaker 1: that she's been thinking about it and wondering and looking

603
00:34:26,045 --> 00:34:29,005
Speaker 1: at the website and coming back to the website, or

604
00:34:29,085 --> 00:34:31,165
Speaker 1: is she just curious and she just wants to like

605
00:34:31,365 --> 00:34:33,965
Speaker 1: explore the option and doesn't go through with the actual sex.

606
00:34:34,445 --> 00:34:38,165
Speaker 4: There's a couple of variations of clients. So everything you've

607
00:34:38,245 --> 00:34:42,085
Speaker 4: just mentioned, there will be women who I've had one

608
00:34:42,165 --> 00:34:44,565
Speaker 4: who had my number for a whole year before she

609
00:34:44,925 --> 00:34:49,965
Speaker 4: had the nerve to actually dial and ring, and that

610
00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:54,005
Speaker 4: took her a whole years. Others, like, just two days ago,

611
00:34:54,045 --> 00:34:56,805
Speaker 4: I had a lady email me and then we got

612
00:34:56,845 --> 00:35:00,685
Speaker 4: on the phone. I find phone conversations are much easier

613
00:35:00,685 --> 00:35:04,125
Speaker 4: than emails. You can really hear the voice. Yeah, really connect.

614
00:35:04,165 --> 00:35:07,525
Speaker 4: I think that's really really important. And she's having a

615
00:35:07,525 --> 00:35:10,005
Speaker 4: booking in a couple of weeks, so and what most

616
00:35:10,045 --> 00:35:11,925
Speaker 4: of them say is like, oh, that wasn't that hard.

617
00:35:12,005 --> 00:35:14,805
Speaker 4: That was actually quite fun and easy. And I said, well,

618
00:35:14,805 --> 00:35:18,165
Speaker 4: you're just talking to me, you're, you know, just playing

619
00:35:18,165 --> 00:35:21,525
Speaker 4: on little me and I'm here. Whatever you need, I'm here.

620
00:35:21,645 --> 00:35:24,685
Speaker 4: I'm not judging. Share with me what you'd like to

621
00:35:24,725 --> 00:35:27,605
Speaker 4: share and work through this together. I'm your wing woman.

622
00:35:27,685 --> 00:35:29,405
Speaker 4: I tell them, you know, I'm here for you. So

623
00:35:30,405 --> 00:35:32,685
Speaker 4: it's really beautiful that I can, you know, be a

624
00:35:32,725 --> 00:35:37,565
Speaker 4: part of their life experiences and their special moments they have,

625
00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:39,325
Speaker 4: and it's really really humbling.

626
00:35:39,765 --> 00:35:43,445
Speaker 1: How do you protect the men who work for you?

627
00:35:44,125 --> 00:35:47,365
Speaker 1: In terms of how do you check out the clients

628
00:35:47,445 --> 00:35:50,925
Speaker 1: before you send them either to a hotel or to

629
00:35:50,965 --> 00:35:51,885
Speaker 1: the person's house.

630
00:35:52,525 --> 00:35:55,125
Speaker 4: I usually ask quite a few questions with the clients

631
00:35:55,165 --> 00:35:58,605
Speaker 4: as well, like what profession you know they work in

632
00:35:58,645 --> 00:36:02,205
Speaker 4: the industry. I need a physical description as well, so

633
00:36:02,285 --> 00:36:07,485
Speaker 4: when they meet, the gentleman goes to the right woman

634
00:36:07,925 --> 00:36:10,325
Speaker 4: and not to someone else, specially if it's a busy

635
00:36:10,565 --> 00:36:11,525
Speaker 4: hotel for you.

636
00:36:11,685 --> 00:36:13,805
Speaker 1: Do they usually meet in hotels.

637
00:36:13,685 --> 00:36:16,725
Speaker 4: Most of the time. It's hotels in the foyers or

638
00:36:16,725 --> 00:36:21,725
Speaker 4: in the bars or restaurants. A few more than comfortable

639
00:36:21,765 --> 00:36:23,925
Speaker 4: to have the bookings at home, so I do get

640
00:36:23,965 --> 00:36:26,445
Speaker 4: a lot of information. They share a lot about themselves,

641
00:36:27,005 --> 00:36:28,965
Speaker 4: so I really sort of get to know them on

642
00:36:29,005 --> 00:36:30,205
Speaker 4: a very personal level.

643
00:36:30,325 --> 00:36:31,245
Speaker 1: Do women lie.

644
00:36:32,245 --> 00:36:35,165
Speaker 4: No, No, they're pretty straightforward with me.

645
00:36:35,565 --> 00:36:38,725
Speaker 1: So you haven't had situations where one of your scots

646
00:36:38,765 --> 00:36:41,085
Speaker 1: turns up and it's like, oh, this is in a

647
00:36:41,125 --> 00:36:44,285
Speaker 1: good situation. Or what she said is not tracking with

648
00:36:44,365 --> 00:36:45,445
Speaker 1: who she seems to be.

649
00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:48,525
Speaker 4: I haven't had any with her confidante. I did have

650
00:36:48,565 --> 00:36:52,165
Speaker 4: a few clients back in the day with aphrodisiac and

651
00:36:52,245 --> 00:36:55,525
Speaker 4: so then the more deeper questions came. You know, you

652
00:36:55,645 --> 00:36:58,685
Speaker 4: learn on the job, and so I'm quite thorough and

653
00:36:58,765 --> 00:37:01,045
Speaker 4: I speak to my clients to really really get to

654
00:37:01,085 --> 00:37:03,845
Speaker 4: know them and who they are and what they want.

655
00:37:06,965 --> 00:37:09,885
Speaker 1: The rest of my delightful chat with Anna after this

656
00:37:10,005 --> 00:37:15,045
Speaker 1: short break, plus we hear from one of her clients,

657
00:37:16,965 --> 00:37:19,485
Speaker 1: I want to ask you just a couple of terms

658
00:37:19,525 --> 00:37:23,325
Speaker 1: that I've heard you refer to before. Tell me what

659
00:37:23,445 --> 00:37:24,885
Speaker 1: being boy sober is.

660
00:37:25,605 --> 00:37:31,285
Speaker 4: Boy sober is women not wanting to date men because

661
00:37:31,445 --> 00:37:37,485
Speaker 4: of safety reasons. So that could be related to drink,

662
00:37:37,565 --> 00:37:41,885
Speaker 4: spi king, rape, any of those forms of safety.

663
00:37:42,765 --> 00:37:46,325
Speaker 1: So they've had some bad experiences, and they does that

664
00:37:46,845 --> 00:37:50,805
Speaker 1: mean they're more likely to hire a sex worker rather

665
00:37:50,845 --> 00:37:53,085
Speaker 1: than picking up or being on the app?

666
00:37:53,205 --> 00:37:55,445
Speaker 4: They know what they're going to get. They know that.

667
00:37:56,165 --> 00:37:59,365
Speaker 4: You know that gentlemen have gone through police checks, health checks,

668
00:37:59,365 --> 00:38:02,525
Speaker 4: and I've got their driver's licenses, so they know they're

669
00:38:02,525 --> 00:38:05,645
Speaker 4: in a safe space and they're professionals in what they do.

670
00:38:05,725 --> 00:38:09,685
Speaker 4: They're great passionate lovers. So if that's what the client

671
00:38:09,725 --> 00:38:11,965
Speaker 4: wance to experience, that's what she's going to get.

672
00:38:12,445 --> 00:38:14,965
Speaker 1: It's estimated that forty five percent of women age twenty

673
00:38:14,965 --> 00:38:18,245
Speaker 1: five to forty four will be single by twenty thirty.

674
00:38:19,405 --> 00:38:21,685
Speaker 1: Why do you think that putting a male escort on

675
00:38:21,765 --> 00:38:24,085
Speaker 1: retainer is going to be a trend of the future.

676
00:38:24,525 --> 00:38:26,605
Speaker 4: Well, I see it sort of happening already in a

677
00:38:26,645 --> 00:38:32,805
Speaker 4: way where you know, it's looking after yourself and women

678
00:38:32,845 --> 00:38:36,325
Speaker 4: are sick and tide of looking after everyone else and

679
00:38:36,365 --> 00:38:39,925
Speaker 4: no one really taking good care of them. So you

680
00:38:39,925 --> 00:38:41,885
Speaker 4: know you're going have a message, you go and have

681
00:38:41,925 --> 00:38:45,685
Speaker 4: your pilates. It's the same kind of concept. You know,

682
00:38:46,165 --> 00:38:50,325
Speaker 4: you look after yourself mentally, physically, emotionally, you get taken

683
00:38:50,365 --> 00:38:52,685
Speaker 4: care of and you know you're talking about, you know,

684
00:38:52,765 --> 00:38:57,165
Speaker 4: having the wellness aspect of it, having orgasms, being touched.

685
00:38:57,565 --> 00:39:01,565
Speaker 4: It's so important. The endorphins that the dopamine. It's a distress.

686
00:39:01,725 --> 00:39:03,605
Speaker 4: You know, how many times have you had sex and

687
00:39:03,965 --> 00:39:05,925
Speaker 4: in the evening and then you sleep like a baby

688
00:39:06,085 --> 00:39:10,485
Speaker 4: because sex distresses you. It's a it's a natural listen

689
00:39:10,565 --> 00:39:14,285
Speaker 4: all drug. If it's good exactly if it's good. So

690
00:39:14,725 --> 00:39:18,245
Speaker 4: it's really really healthy to have orgasms, to have sex,

691
00:39:18,325 --> 00:39:22,205
Speaker 4: to have touched that human connection. It's vital for our

692
00:39:22,605 --> 00:39:24,165
Speaker 4: well being as humans.

693
00:39:24,645 --> 00:39:28,005
Speaker 1: When I'm looking at the website and I'm looking at

694
00:39:28,565 --> 00:39:34,085
Speaker 1: the guys, they're all very well built. They're all of

695
00:39:34,085 --> 00:39:37,485
Speaker 1: a similar body type. Is that because that's what women want?

696
00:39:38,085 --> 00:39:42,245
Speaker 4: No, they just look after themselves. They don't have to

697
00:39:42,565 --> 00:39:45,805
Speaker 4: look that way, but they just happen to be that way.

698
00:39:46,205 --> 00:39:48,925
Speaker 4: You know, they need to look after themselves to a degree.

699
00:39:49,125 --> 00:39:51,245
Speaker 4: But all of the women say to me that, oh,

700
00:39:51,245 --> 00:39:54,165
Speaker 4: they're happy with dad bods and stuff like that as well.

701
00:39:54,485 --> 00:39:58,765
Speaker 4: So it just depends on the overall aspect of the gentlemen.

702
00:39:58,925 --> 00:40:03,325
Speaker 4: They're out externally and internally. They need to be perfect

703
00:40:03,405 --> 00:40:07,325
Speaker 4: overall for me. So they just happen to enjoy going

704
00:40:07,325 --> 00:40:09,725
Speaker 4: to the gym and working out and looking after themselves.

705
00:40:09,725 --> 00:40:11,885
Speaker 4: They've done that all their lives. It's not for now

706
00:40:12,085 --> 00:40:14,685
Speaker 4: or for this type of job. It's just something they do.

707
00:40:14,845 --> 00:40:17,365
Speaker 2: Fitness is a significant part of my life, and I

708
00:40:17,445 --> 00:40:21,165
Speaker 2: am dedicated to maintaining a healthy lifestyle. When I'm not

709
00:40:21,205 --> 00:40:22,205
Speaker 2: at the gym.

710
00:40:21,965 --> 00:40:25,005
Speaker 4: You can offer go to the human It's the same

711
00:40:25,085 --> 00:40:26,325
Speaker 4: kind of thing for them.

712
00:40:26,685 --> 00:40:29,485
Speaker 1: What have you noticed about We all like to think

713
00:40:29,525 --> 00:40:34,725
Speaker 1: that we've got very specific sexual preferences and physical preferences.

714
00:40:34,725 --> 00:40:37,765
Speaker 1: But what have you noticed women have in common in

715
00:40:37,845 --> 00:40:40,485
Speaker 1: terms of the type of guy that they choose.

716
00:40:42,325 --> 00:40:45,605
Speaker 4: Someonant a younger gentleman. The older ones want a younger

717
00:40:45,645 --> 00:40:52,005
Speaker 4: gentleman experience how much younger, twenties, thirties, younger. Yeah, they

718
00:40:52,045 --> 00:40:55,525
Speaker 4: want someone younger because they're young at heart. They just

719
00:40:55,565 --> 00:40:57,965
Speaker 4: want to bring in there inner child out. That's what

720
00:40:58,005 --> 00:41:00,045
Speaker 4: it's really about and having fun with the whole thing.

721
00:41:00,085 --> 00:41:04,325
Speaker 4: And the gentlemen, they enjoy every aspect, like every age

722
00:41:04,325 --> 00:41:06,925
Speaker 4: of a woman. So they don't have a specific type.

723
00:41:07,485 --> 00:41:09,245
Speaker 4: That's the type of men I work with. They can't

724
00:41:09,445 --> 00:41:12,325
Speaker 4: a type. They love all I aspect all different types

725
00:41:12,365 --> 00:41:17,285
Speaker 4: of women. So the ladies, yeah, some of them want

726
00:41:17,925 --> 00:41:20,925
Speaker 4: someone closer to their age. They're happy to have someone

727
00:41:21,005 --> 00:41:24,405
Speaker 4: around their age, so if they're in their fifties, someone

728
00:41:24,405 --> 00:41:27,125
Speaker 4: in their fifties or maybe sixty. But a lot of

729
00:41:27,125 --> 00:41:29,685
Speaker 4: them enjoy the younger gentlemen as well, who are in

730
00:41:29,725 --> 00:41:30,365
Speaker 4: their thirties.

731
00:41:31,285 --> 00:41:33,085
Speaker 1: Do you have rules about repeat bookings?

732
00:41:33,365 --> 00:41:37,205
Speaker 4: No, they can repeat book I'm always on top of it.

733
00:41:37,765 --> 00:41:42,205
Speaker 4: Mental health and attachment. So I learnt a lot about

734
00:41:42,205 --> 00:41:45,525
Speaker 4: that in my first agency, and I speak to the

735
00:41:45,565 --> 00:41:49,565
Speaker 4: gentlemen constantly regarding, you know, with debriefing before and after

736
00:41:49,845 --> 00:41:53,245
Speaker 4: every booking, as well as the client. Oh, I'm on

737
00:41:53,325 --> 00:41:54,085
Speaker 4: top of all that.

738
00:41:54,485 --> 00:41:57,805
Speaker 1: Not a talking anna, Yes, I know, I love it.

739
00:41:57,845 --> 00:42:00,325
Speaker 4: I think I you know, back in eighty nine when

740
00:42:00,365 --> 00:42:02,405
Speaker 4: I finished high school, I don't know if you were

741
00:42:02,405 --> 00:42:03,165
Speaker 4: in the same year.

742
00:42:03,485 --> 00:42:04,765
Speaker 1: I'm sure I.

743
00:42:04,725 --> 00:42:08,765
Speaker 4: Didn't have psychology. I really loved psychology, and psychology wasn't

744
00:42:08,765 --> 00:42:11,525
Speaker 4: an option, so I used to read my husband's medical

745
00:42:11,565 --> 00:42:14,405
Speaker 4: psychology books while he was studying. I just read a

746
00:42:14,405 --> 00:42:17,645
Speaker 4: lot of that, you know. I always watched Oprah. Oprah's

747
00:42:17,845 --> 00:42:21,725
Speaker 4: my guru, and she just went places where no one

748
00:42:21,725 --> 00:42:24,565
Speaker 4: else did. And I learnt a lot from her as well.

749
00:42:24,605 --> 00:42:28,805
Speaker 4: And magazines as you know, your cosmos, your clears, your dollies,

750
00:42:29,645 --> 00:42:33,445
Speaker 4: just and reading lots of books. So yeah, there's a

751
00:42:33,445 --> 00:42:35,605
Speaker 4: lot of talking, and I think it's important we need

752
00:42:35,645 --> 00:42:38,965
Speaker 4: to communicate and really hear each other and know exactly

753
00:42:38,965 --> 00:42:41,525
Speaker 4: what where we stand and what everyone wants and to

754
00:42:41,565 --> 00:42:42,685
Speaker 4: be on the same page.

755
00:42:43,085 --> 00:42:45,765
Speaker 1: How do you stop women getting attached? Because here's this guy,

756
00:42:46,165 --> 00:42:48,005
Speaker 1: he just wants to talk to me. He just is

757
00:42:48,045 --> 00:42:49,485
Speaker 1: focused on my pleasure.

758
00:42:49,685 --> 00:42:53,645
Speaker 4: And they do. They're pretty perfect gentleman. So I always

759
00:42:53,685 --> 00:42:57,285
Speaker 4: speak to the clients and they are aware that it

760
00:42:57,405 --> 00:43:01,485
Speaker 4: is a booking. There's no strings attached as such, and

761
00:43:01,605 --> 00:43:06,925
Speaker 4: it's a their former friendship of sorts, and yeah, they

762
00:43:07,045 --> 00:43:09,205
Speaker 4: just have fun with each other when they catch up

763
00:43:09,805 --> 00:43:13,005
Speaker 4: and that's all it is. How much does it cost

764
00:43:13,325 --> 00:43:17,285
Speaker 4: it varies. Our boyfriend experience is sixteen hundred dollars for

765
00:43:17,325 --> 00:43:20,765
Speaker 4: the two hours. It depends on what the client wants.

766
00:43:20,805 --> 00:43:22,925
Speaker 4: Social companions five hundred dollars an hour.

767
00:43:23,645 --> 00:43:25,285
Speaker 1: What is a social companion booking?

768
00:43:25,565 --> 00:43:28,725
Speaker 4: That's someone to come with you to a function, a dinner,

769
00:43:28,885 --> 00:43:33,445
Speaker 4: a theater, no, no intimacy, just social, go for a drive,

770
00:43:33,605 --> 00:43:34,445
Speaker 4: go for a walk.

771
00:43:34,525 --> 00:43:36,485
Speaker 1: And is that popular? What kind of is that? Like

772
00:43:36,525 --> 00:43:39,245
Speaker 1: the gateway drug to people who might be a bit nervous,

773
00:43:39,245 --> 00:43:40,565
Speaker 1: and so they'll do that first.

774
00:43:41,005 --> 00:43:44,285
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of them do, like a one hour companion.

775
00:43:44,405 --> 00:43:47,045
Speaker 4: First they'll sit down and have a drink, have a chat,

776
00:43:47,125 --> 00:43:50,765
Speaker 4: and then they will move into the intimacy aspect of

777
00:43:50,805 --> 00:43:51,325
Speaker 4: the booking.

778
00:43:51,645 --> 00:43:54,525
Speaker 1: So you do have to be pretty well off to

779
00:43:54,645 --> 00:43:56,045
Speaker 1: afford a male squad.

780
00:43:56,365 --> 00:44:00,205
Speaker 4: Well, some women actually save Even with my previous agency,

781
00:44:00,485 --> 00:44:02,725
Speaker 4: a lot of women would save up because they knew

782
00:44:02,765 --> 00:44:07,245
Speaker 4: the importance of the experience, and you know, like you

783
00:44:07,325 --> 00:44:11,085
Speaker 4: save up for an expensive Chanelberg or shoes or clothes,

784
00:44:11,645 --> 00:44:14,565
Speaker 4: they would save up for that and have really incredible

785
00:44:14,845 --> 00:44:18,285
Speaker 4: life changing experiences. A lot of women can afford it,

786
00:44:18,365 --> 00:44:21,805
Speaker 4: but the ones that can't, they will save for it.

787
00:44:23,125 --> 00:44:26,685
Speaker 1: Tell me about the Ultimate Pleasure Week, which costs twenty

788
00:44:26,765 --> 00:44:31,965
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That's the most expensive experience that you offer. Yeah,

789
00:44:32,085 --> 00:44:34,485
Speaker 1: what would if that was me? What would I get

790
00:44:34,525 --> 00:44:35,525
Speaker 1: for that week?

791
00:44:35,965 --> 00:44:38,205
Speaker 4: Well? Where would you like to go? Where would you

792
00:44:38,285 --> 00:44:41,405
Speaker 4: like to take him with you? Where are we flying to?

793
00:44:42,325 --> 00:44:44,965
Speaker 1: So that is if someone's going on holiday, or you

794
00:44:45,165 --> 00:44:46,325
Speaker 1: might build a holiday.

795
00:44:46,645 --> 00:44:49,325
Speaker 4: Yeah, you could have an in house holiday. It's totally

796
00:44:49,445 --> 00:44:52,685
Speaker 4: up to you. The gentlemen cook their message.

797
00:44:53,485 --> 00:44:55,885
Speaker 1: Wow, do any women get that? What kind of women

798
00:44:55,885 --> 00:44:57,765
Speaker 1: get that? And what do they do with that week?

799
00:44:59,445 --> 00:45:03,045
Speaker 4: It's becoming a bit more popular. Maybe you know, once

800
00:45:03,085 --> 00:45:07,245
Speaker 4: a month we get one of those. And a lot

801
00:45:07,285 --> 00:45:10,205
Speaker 4: of corporate women do it because they're so married to

802
00:45:10,285 --> 00:45:14,405
Speaker 4: their jobs and they don't have kids at home. They

803
00:45:14,485 --> 00:45:17,285
Speaker 4: want to have a break and just unwind and the

804
00:45:17,325 --> 00:45:21,285
Speaker 4: gentlemen come along to wherever they need to go, whether

805
00:45:21,325 --> 00:45:24,605
Speaker 4: it's overseas or Ballei or wherever they want to go

806
00:45:24,725 --> 00:45:29,445
Speaker 4: or within Australia and they just spend a week of exploring.

807
00:45:29,485 --> 00:45:32,205
Speaker 4: The gentlemen can all put an itinery together if that's

808
00:45:32,205 --> 00:45:34,845
Speaker 4: what she wants, unless she wants to have the itinery

809
00:45:34,965 --> 00:45:38,405
Speaker 4: organized and just go and explore and have fun and

810
00:45:39,325 --> 00:45:43,205
Speaker 4: have the intimacy aspect, have dinners together, lunches and also

811
00:45:43,245 --> 00:45:45,885
Speaker 4: have breaks from each other as well, because they are

812
00:45:45,965 --> 00:45:47,085
Speaker 4: human and you.

813
00:45:47,005 --> 00:45:48,805
Speaker 1: Know everyone needs some downtime.

814
00:45:49,125 --> 00:45:51,125
Speaker 4: Yeah, they like to go for a walk and explore

815
00:45:51,125 --> 00:45:54,085
Speaker 4: on their own and sleep is important as well, so

816
00:45:54,325 --> 00:45:55,405
Speaker 4: you rest it up.

817
00:45:55,845 --> 00:45:58,205
Speaker 1: But yeah, overall, you know they're not a vibrator.

818
00:45:58,925 --> 00:46:03,485
Speaker 4: No, you're dealing with too mature you know, adults. So yeah,

819
00:46:03,525 --> 00:46:04,845
Speaker 4: they work it out between them.

820
00:46:04,925 --> 00:46:08,605
Speaker 1: What about the boundaries around sex, how are they navigated?

821
00:46:08,885 --> 00:46:12,565
Speaker 4: Well, gentlemen are pretty open to a lot of different

822
00:46:13,245 --> 00:46:18,085
Speaker 4: experiences sexually, so we know we offer threesomes as well.

823
00:46:18,645 --> 00:46:23,325
Speaker 4: The gentlemen are all heterosexual, so that's only you know,

824
00:46:24,565 --> 00:46:29,805
Speaker 4: servicing the female and their partners are either watching or

825
00:46:29,845 --> 00:46:32,365
Speaker 4: participating with the female, not with the man.

826
00:46:32,885 --> 00:46:36,365
Speaker 1: So some couples hire a male escort to have sex

827
00:46:36,405 --> 00:46:36,965
Speaker 1: with the woman.

828
00:46:37,565 --> 00:46:41,525
Speaker 4: Yeah, that they're quite popular and a lot of the men,

829
00:46:41,165 --> 00:46:46,005
Speaker 4: the husbands or partners, actually book these for their wives

830
00:46:46,085 --> 00:46:46,685
Speaker 4: or partners.

831
00:46:47,125 --> 00:46:48,925
Speaker 1: And how do you make sure that the women are

832
00:46:48,965 --> 00:46:49,725
Speaker 1: actually into it?

833
00:46:50,325 --> 00:46:53,605
Speaker 4: I get to speak to the woman beforehand, because I

834
00:46:53,605 --> 00:46:55,605
Speaker 4: actually just had a phone call a few weeks ago

835
00:46:55,605 --> 00:46:57,845
Speaker 4: from a gentleman who said, I want to book a

836
00:46:57,845 --> 00:47:00,565
Speaker 4: threesome with my wife, And I said, if you are

837
00:47:00,605 --> 00:47:03,485
Speaker 4: where that you're doing this for Hia, No, no, it's

838
00:47:03,565 --> 00:47:05,965
Speaker 4: my fantasy. I go, that's nice for you. I said, no,

839
00:47:06,045 --> 00:47:08,045
Speaker 4: unless I speak to her and she's okay with it,

840
00:47:08,045 --> 00:47:08,885
Speaker 4: it's not going to happen.

841
00:47:09,645 --> 00:47:12,245
Speaker 1: And you didn't spect to her. Obviously it didn't happen.

842
00:47:13,565 --> 00:47:17,765
Speaker 4: Please please call me two three times And I said, no, no,

843
00:47:18,485 --> 00:47:21,685
Speaker 4: not doing that. I mean he might have called someone

844
00:47:21,765 --> 00:47:25,525
Speaker 4: else and someone else wouldn't have cared, unfortunately. But I'm

845
00:47:25,565 --> 00:47:29,165
Speaker 4: not going to be forcing any woman into any situation

846
00:47:29,285 --> 00:47:30,245
Speaker 4: she doesn't want to be in.

847
00:47:30,685 --> 00:47:32,285
Speaker 1: Do you feel like women are good at asking for

848
00:47:32,325 --> 00:47:33,965
Speaker 1: what they want or do you need to give them

849
00:47:33,965 --> 00:47:36,005
Speaker 1: a little pep talk before their experience?

850
00:47:37,165 --> 00:47:42,125
Speaker 4: Some some are still sort of I don't that they

851
00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:44,045
Speaker 4: have no idea what do they want? I said, what

852
00:47:44,085 --> 00:47:46,485
Speaker 4: would you like to experience that? Actually, no one's ever

853
00:47:46,525 --> 00:47:50,325
Speaker 4: asked me that, And for the first time ever, they've

854
00:47:50,405 --> 00:47:53,245
Speaker 4: just been able to just be about them and no

855
00:47:53,245 --> 00:47:57,605
Speaker 4: one else, and it's it's quite sort of overwhelming for them,

856
00:47:57,685 --> 00:48:01,005
Speaker 4: and they have the most incredible experience. But yeah, a

857
00:48:01,045 --> 00:48:03,845
Speaker 4: lot of them don't even know what to ask for.

858
00:48:03,885 --> 00:48:06,525
Speaker 4: So I give them options. You can experience this, you

859
00:48:06,525 --> 00:48:08,365
Speaker 4: can experience that, and then they say, oh, yeah, that

860
00:48:08,405 --> 00:48:11,525
Speaker 4: might be a great idea, or or let the gentlemen lead.

861
00:48:11,765 --> 00:48:14,045
Speaker 4: A lot of them would like the gentlemen to lead

862
00:48:14,165 --> 00:48:18,205
Speaker 4: right through. Yeah, it depends on the clients. Some know

863
00:48:18,245 --> 00:48:21,765
Speaker 4: exactly what they want, take your clothes off right now

864
00:48:21,805 --> 00:48:25,245
Speaker 4: here and there and let's do it, and others others don't.

865
00:48:25,405 --> 00:48:28,085
Speaker 4: So we're all sort of wired up differently.

866
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Speaker 1: You know, what if someone just catches feelings that must

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Speaker 1: happen sometimes, what if they fall in love? Or Am

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Speaker 1: I being silly?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, they do. They do because they are just humans. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they're humans. But also a lot of women have been

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00:48:42,925 --> 00:48:46,565
Speaker 4: calling them the last few months unicorns, and I find

872
00:48:46,605 --> 00:48:52,125
Speaker 4: that really cute because they're so rare and so unique.

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00:48:52,845 --> 00:48:56,085
Speaker 4: I guess that's the first time I've heard of women

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Speaker 4: calling the companion's unicorns.

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Speaker 1: I guess though it's not real because they're being paid

876
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Speaker 1: to not have any needs or want the guys.

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Speaker 4: But the guys are being genuinely themselves. They actually enjoy

878
00:49:10,605 --> 00:49:14,565
Speaker 4: the whole experience. They love meeting people. That's just their personality.

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00:49:14,725 --> 00:49:19,165
Speaker 4: So you're getting a man who is genuinely himself, the

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00:49:19,245 --> 00:49:22,245
Speaker 4: raw deal. He's not pretending to be anyone else by himself.

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00:49:22,645 --> 00:49:26,165
Speaker 4: That's why I go through my processes to find genuine,

882
00:49:26,605 --> 00:49:30,445
Speaker 4: good hearted humans, and I find them through a lot.

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Speaker 1: And in addition to the male companions that you employ,

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Speaker 1: you also have one female companion on your books. Does

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Speaker 1: some women call to book a woman?

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00:49:38,805 --> 00:49:42,045
Speaker 4: Yeah, A lot of women want to experience a woman,

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00:49:42,645 --> 00:49:46,645
Speaker 4: experience something they've had as a bucket list, something they've wanted,

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00:49:47,085 --> 00:49:50,245
Speaker 4: maybe from childhood, but to a shame to experience or

889
00:49:50,285 --> 00:49:55,245
Speaker 4: ask for it. Even being married to a man, they've

890
00:49:55,325 --> 00:49:58,685
Speaker 4: always sort of wanted to experience a woman.

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00:49:58,845 --> 00:50:01,565
Speaker 1: Is that getting more popular slowly? It is.

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Speaker 4: I think she's just sort of joined us in the

893
00:50:04,165 --> 00:50:06,125
Speaker 4: last few months. But she did work with me in

894
00:50:06,165 --> 00:50:10,045
Speaker 4: aphrodisiac as well for a while. So yeah, it depends

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Speaker 4: what the client really wants to experience.

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Speaker 1: Your family, obviously, you're an open book. Your husband knows

897
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Speaker 1: exactly what you do. As to your children, you do

898
00:50:21,125 --> 00:50:24,245
Speaker 1: seem very normal. I don't even mean that sounds condescending,

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Speaker 1: but you are very normal. Like the idea of what

900
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Speaker 1: a madam might be or the owner of an escort agency.

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00:50:33,805 --> 00:50:36,765
Speaker 1: You don't fit that stereotype. And I guess it's a

902
00:50:36,805 --> 00:50:41,525
Speaker 1: stereotype because it doesn't apply to everybody. Well, how do

903
00:50:41,605 --> 00:50:43,565
Speaker 1: you describe your role? You very open? I mean you

904
00:50:43,605 --> 00:50:44,885
Speaker 1: clearly are open about what you do.

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Speaker 4: I'm very proud and never hide what I do. I

906
00:50:49,805 --> 00:50:55,125
Speaker 4: think it's an important service that I provide and I

907
00:50:55,205 --> 00:50:58,205
Speaker 4: talk about it all the time. The boys with teenagers

908
00:50:58,245 --> 00:51:01,005
Speaker 4: when I opened, they couldn't really grasp what it was about.

909
00:51:01,045 --> 00:51:05,125
Speaker 4: They used to call me a pimp. That's helpful, I said.

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00:51:05,685 --> 00:51:07,925
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not a pimp. This is in a

911
00:51:08,085 --> 00:51:12,005
Speaker 4: legit service. But you know, young boys at fourteen fifteen,

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00:51:12,045 --> 00:51:14,685
Speaker 4: they have no idea, you know, when they started to

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Speaker 4: have sex. I used to give them boxes of condoms

914
00:51:17,125 --> 00:51:19,085
Speaker 4: and said to them, always if it's not on, it's

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00:51:19,125 --> 00:51:22,405
Speaker 4: not on, and be good gentlemen and be respectful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I've always had those conversations with them. I

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Speaker 4: am Hawaii. My friends except me that I've always been

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Speaker 4: very cheeky, very sort of curious about different things. Definitely

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Speaker 4: life of the party. I've had a lot of crazy

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Speaker 4: parties in my life as well. I'm a bit of

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00:51:41,965 --> 00:51:44,325
Speaker 4: a party girl. Love to always a good surprise party

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00:51:44,325 --> 00:51:48,565
Speaker 4: for my family, my husband and friends. Love having fun

924
00:51:48,605 --> 00:51:51,205
Speaker 4: with life and enjoying every aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: Finally, if someone's listening and they're curious and they want

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Speaker 1: to explore maybe hiring an escort, what step one do

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Speaker 1: you think?

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Speaker 4: Step one would probably just give me a call or

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Speaker 4: an email if you feel a bit uncomfortable calling because

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00:52:03,885 --> 00:52:06,445
Speaker 4: they're not sure who's going to answer. But it's always

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Speaker 4: me at this point of time, I am for the phones.

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Speaker 4: I love to really connect with my clients and really,

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Speaker 4: you know, get to know them, as I said, on

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Speaker 4: a personal level, and then create and tailor a beautiful

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Speaker 4: experience for them.

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Speaker 1: Well that was interesting, wasn't it. Are you tempted after

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00:52:30,805 --> 00:52:36,565
Speaker 1: hearing that conversation? This isn't like sponsored content for her agency.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to give you a discount quote or anything.

939
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Speaker 1: But if you do end up doing it for yourself

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Speaker 1: or you recommend it to a friend and your book

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Speaker 1: one about is companions, we'd love to hear from you.

942
00:52:48,445 --> 00:52:50,565
Speaker 1: You can reach out to us anonymously and tell us

943
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Speaker 1: your story. Or maybe you've had an experience with another escort,

944
00:52:54,245 --> 00:52:57,445
Speaker 1: a male escort, a female escort. We'd love to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. And that is actually what my next guest

946
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Speaker 1: is about to share with us. We've changed her voice

947
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Speaker 1: and we are using the name Alexandra to protect her privacy,

948
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Speaker 1: but I cannot wait for you to hear about the

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Speaker 1: life changing sperience she had with James. That's in Part two.

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Speaker 1: I'll meet you there link in the show notes