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Speaker 3: Man, And welcome to You Beauty, the daily podcast for

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Speaker 3: your Face. I'm Aaron Dockerty and welcome to the formula.

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Speaker 3: Every week I sit down with celebs and some of

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Speaker 3: the biggest names in beauty and take a look into

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Speaker 3: their skincare routines. Today we're talking to Jade Taylor, but

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Speaker 3: you may know her as Driven by Beauty on Instagram

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Speaker 3: and TikTok, where she has over two hundred thousand followers.

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Speaker 3: As a dermal clinician, Jade bridges the gap between a

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Speaker 3: nurse and a dermatologist. She spends her days at managing

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Speaker 3: love Jade here at You Beauty because she shows up

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Speaker 3: so authentically on her platforms, having publicly come out against quote,

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Speaker 3: the marketing bs that surrounds the Internet and some skincare companies.

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Speaker 3: Her number one goal as a skinfluencer is to disclose

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Speaker 3: the science back truth, to help educate and dispel beauty

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Speaker 3: myths so the average person can understand what's actually good

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Speaker 3: and what's just a load of hype. Today, we thought

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Speaker 3: most annoying beauty myths she's sick of seeing so you

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Speaker 3: can stop falling for them too, and some upcoming skin

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Speaker 3: plus Jade's advice for people stuck in vicious cycles with

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Speaker 1: You are such beautiful skill.

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Speaker 4: But how.

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Speaker 3: Jad, thank you so much for joining us on the

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Speaker 3: podcast today. I am beyond excited. I can't believe I'm

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Speaker 3: talking to you in person and not watching your videos

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Speaker 3: on my phone. Thank you for being here, Thanks for

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Speaker 3: having me. You've been on the U Beauty podcast before, though, right, yes,

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Speaker 3: I have with Kelly Okay, and I remember I listened

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Speaker 3: What are you doing with Kelly? So I'm so glad

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Speaker 3: you're here, Jade. You're pretty much our beauty MythBuster. People

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Speaker 3: flock to your Instagram for honest, science backed hot takes

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Speaker 3: about various skincare flops and fads. I love hearing these.

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Speaker 3: I want to start by asking what's the most annoying

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Speaker 3: beauty myth that you want to debunk once and for all.

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Speaker 1: Chemical SBF. It's doing my heading. I'm over it.

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Speaker 3: I need the lowdown.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't know what's going on with Northern

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Speaker 1: of chemical SBF and it needs to stop. So obviously,

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Speaker 1: our TGA is strict. If our sun is cooked, we

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Speaker 1: myths that are going around on it, even from doctors

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, I'm so surprised how many

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Speaker 3: seen commenting on these posts on chemical sunscreens basically bagging

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So the way a chemical SBF works is

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Speaker 1: Now there's also data going around showing that only thirty

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Speaker 3: I love how fired up you get about chemical sunscreen.

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Speaker 3: Then what kind of skincare trends have you seen that

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Speaker 1: Beef tallow is really pissing me off at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Look, the clean beauty community is a bit whack a

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Speaker 1: That sets hard. That's your beef tallow.

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Speaker 1: I imagine it's someone living in the wilderness who can't

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Speaker 1: that it helps your cellulite. No, babe, it doesn't. It's

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Speaker 1: not going to reach that. The claims that it's helping acne, No,

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Speaker 1: It is not helpful. I think people watching other people

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Speaker 1: they're sort of spreading misinformation about the greater products in

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Speaker 1: and look at my skin, it's not greasy. And then

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Speaker 1: I mean I haven't. That's a complete lie, but we

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Speaker 3: I think that's why it's so important to have experts

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Speaker 3: I think it's really good that we have someone breaking

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Speaker 3: down those misconceptions. My favorite Okay, I want you to

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Speaker 3: if there's someone we trust, it's u jade, So give

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Speaker 1: So Natasha Cook, she's an ousidermatologist and she created one

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Speaker 1: of the best mineral spfs. So the reason I rate

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Speaker 1: And on a really high UV day, I love a

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Speaker 1: mineral SBF, Like if I'm out of the beach and

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Speaker 1: twenty five percent zinc and it's spread so thin, and

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Speaker 1: it also has lovely ingredients in it like nice cinnamaidekakadoo plum,

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a great old rounder. I want to

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Speaker 3: know what else have you got on your list?

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Speaker 1: So there's this French brand called SVR and it's recommended

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Speaker 1: by dermatologists in France, and it's called the highly biotic

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Speaker 1: to get on this. So it actually has probiotics in it,

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Speaker 1: and it's this gel moisturizer, but it actually gives you

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Speaker 1: for those who like a light and moisturizer up. But

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Speaker 1: you need that barrier, get on it. It's sort a

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Speaker 1: priceline and you can buy it online. I'm obsessed with it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've heard of this before. I've been wanting to

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Speaker 3: try it for ages. As you said, I think you

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Speaker 3: know that. So that sounds like a goody. What else

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Speaker 1: Some people who are oily and may have overstripped their

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Speaker 1: you and it's got provitamin B five in here glycerine

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Speaker 2: Have to go do it a little bit with for

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Speaker 2: a serum obsessed with the Nivea Cellular Expert lift. It's

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Speaker 2: hylerinic acid bercucciole, And when you use bercucciole, it acts

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Speaker 2: a little bit like an antioxidant. So if you use

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Speaker 2: Obsessed with it and makes you lovely glowy, plump, dewy,

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Speaker 3: Now, Oh my gosh. Okay, that sounds like a good time.

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Speaker 3: Tell me a little bit about the biggest misconception people

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Speaker 3: have with bercuchol, because I feel like a lot of

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Speaker 1: It's not. So. I think one of the biggest things

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Speaker 5: Sort of degrading our collagen and elastin. I think that's

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Speaker 5: the greatest thing that a retinold does, and there's lots

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Speaker 5: of data around that percuciol doesn't do that. Percaushiol acts

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Speaker 5: as an antioxidant. It can help with pigmentation.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you go when you create skin care,

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Speaker 1: there's also marketing falsehoods in that it's like, oh, hi,

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you should put this in your skin care

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Speaker 5: because this is like a retinoid alternaty la la la

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Speaker 1: Definitely put it in.

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Speaker 5: It's also a really expensive ingredient, so I need to

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Speaker 1: I'm a cosmetic chemist. No, So just to be frank,

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Speaker 1: what there is data on is that the cosmic data

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Speaker 1: on percuciole is paired with a retinoid and amps it up,

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Speaker 1: and there are formulations out there where it is in there.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't have it in there, just start

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Speaker 5: Put your retinoid on your skin first and then put

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Speaker 5: the bercuccio on second.

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Speaker 1: You can use this nivia one as your hyaluronic acid

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is so good to know because there is

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Speaker 3: Have you got any faiths I do give?

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Speaker 1: pro vitamin B five and it is really good for cloth.

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Speaker 1: Journey is the rimal multi pasker better than filters. And

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Speaker 1: It's got two different kinds of farnaments in it, a

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Speaker 1: The Seravi Advanced Repair bum. The way you would use

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Speaker 3: I love using that on my lips, like on my cuticles.

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Speaker 3: There's so many uses for it. It's such a good one.

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Speaker 1: The glow recipe tinted hue drops, so it's basically the

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's so good to know as well. I feel

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Speaker 3: So it's not going to completely clear it, but it

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Speaker 1: Little bit better. Ye. Unfortunately, KP is one of those

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to tell my husband this because he's

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Speaker 4: After hit, you've made one of the greatest discoveries.

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Speaker 1: Of all time, or a miss.

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Speaker 3: Never again, never trade. I'm going to move onto my

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Speaker 3: favorite part of this show. It's our hits. And misses

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Speaker 3: because I feel like you're gonna have such a good

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Speaker 1: So I'm obsessed with skin flooding.

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Speaker 3: So is that the same as skin slugging or different?

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Speaker 1: No, skin flooding is like you have a routine that

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Speaker 5: Hyleronic acid glycerin, and you just like flood your face

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Speaker 3: Okay, I gotta get on that.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get on it. But you've got to be

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Speaker 3: How often would you need to do that?

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Speaker 1: You'd have to be very consistent about it, you'd be

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Speaker 3: Do you do it often?

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Speaker 1: I have an array of hyaluronic acids. I do it

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Speaker 3: Okay, that is a good one. I want to try

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Speaker 1: Really surpising peely pads, the acids, the the extringencies. And

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Speaker 1: too creepy these peely pads.

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Speaker 5: They are made of usually AChase like eulactic acids, which

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Speaker 1: Right. But I think what people are doing is they

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Speaker 1: from your stratu corny, which is the top player of

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Speaker 4: It's so true.

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Speaker 3: But I also feel like people use those kind of

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Speaker 3: they get addicted to the glow, and then they just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is in care.

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Speaker 6: Crack Crack Jade, thank you so much for coming on

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Speaker 6: the show today and busting all of these bloody skincare myths.

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Speaker 3: You have been a delight.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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