1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:11,474 Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:18,714 --> 00:00:21,593 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop 3 00:00:21,634 --> 00:00:24,714 Speaker 2: culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Cassani La Kitch 4 00:00:24,834 --> 00:00:27,034 Speaker 2: and coming up on the show today, Sabrina Carpenter is 5 00:00:27,074 --> 00:00:29,914 Speaker 2: Variety's new cover star, and she talks a little bit 6 00:00:29,954 --> 00:00:32,074 Speaker 2: about her tour, where she is in her life now, 7 00:00:32,114 --> 00:00:35,394 Speaker 2: but also addresses her biggest controversy from the last year, 8 00:00:35,793 --> 00:00:38,834 Speaker 2: which we're going to get into. And also, it's such 9 00:00:38,874 --> 00:00:41,193 Speaker 2: a huge day. It's kind of like Christmas and a 10 00:00:41,233 --> 00:00:43,793 Speaker 2: stressful day at the same time because the Golden Globe 11 00:00:43,873 --> 00:00:47,034 Speaker 2: nominations for twenty twenty six have come in. We're going 12 00:00:47,114 --> 00:00:49,793 Speaker 2: to go through them. So many stubs, so many surprises. 13 00:00:50,193 --> 00:00:52,354 Speaker 2: It's got me really stressed for the Oscars race. So 14 00:00:52,354 --> 00:00:53,273 Speaker 2: we're going to get into that. 15 00:00:53,394 --> 00:00:54,313 Speaker 3: But first, so. 16 00:00:54,354 --> 00:00:59,033 Speaker 1: Katy Perry and Justin Trejou have officially hard launched their relationship, 17 00:00:59,114 --> 00:01:01,273 Speaker 1: even though we have seen that quite a few times before, 18 00:01:01,674 --> 00:01:04,394 Speaker 1: but Katy Perry shared a bunch of carousel images on 19 00:01:04,434 --> 00:01:07,994 Speaker 1: her Instagram of her own Tokyo. It's really giving like 20 00:01:08,154 --> 00:01:11,194 Speaker 1: cute couple's trip these images. 21 00:01:11,514 --> 00:01:12,074 Speaker 3: Yeah, out of. 22 00:01:12,074 --> 00:01:13,994 Speaker 2: All the hard launches, they've done, and as you said, 23 00:01:13,994 --> 00:01:16,994 Speaker 2: there have been so many. We had the whole chronological 24 00:01:17,114 --> 00:01:19,554 Speaker 2: order of their first date in Canada, every restaurant, they 25 00:01:19,554 --> 00:01:22,114 Speaker 2: went to the park, they went to the path, they 26 00:01:22,154 --> 00:01:25,274 Speaker 2: walked the dog on everything they ordered. And then the 27 00:01:25,394 --> 00:01:28,154 Speaker 2: yacht photos, which again weren't them putting them out where 28 00:01:28,154 --> 00:01:29,714 Speaker 2: they were like kissing on top of the yacht, but 29 00:01:29,754 --> 00:01:32,154 Speaker 2: they were in a paparazzi area, so they obviously were 30 00:01:32,154 --> 00:01:34,594 Speaker 2: happy for that to be like their official paparazzi debut. 31 00:01:34,994 --> 00:01:37,274 Speaker 2: And then walking out of Crazy Horse hand in hand 32 00:01:37,314 --> 00:01:40,194 Speaker 2: for her birthday, that was again a bit chica under 33 00:01:40,234 --> 00:01:42,154 Speaker 2: the radar, And I feel like they've been building up 34 00:01:42,154 --> 00:01:45,074 Speaker 2: to an Instagram hard launch, which for elder millennials is 35 00:01:45,114 --> 00:01:47,074 Speaker 2: the most intense thing you can do, Like it's like 36 00:01:47,114 --> 00:01:47,674 Speaker 2: having a ring. 37 00:01:47,794 --> 00:01:49,954 Speaker 1: It is, and it's also I love how she put 38 00:01:49,954 --> 00:01:52,714 Speaker 1: it as the second image. So the first image is 39 00:01:52,714 --> 00:01:55,154 Speaker 1: like a little dancing figurine, you know, that you find 40 00:01:55,234 --> 00:01:57,834 Speaker 1: in all the streets of Tokyo, and then the second 41 00:01:57,874 --> 00:02:02,154 Speaker 1: image is them. It's just a very cute classic couples shot. 42 00:02:02,474 --> 00:02:04,354 Speaker 1: Because I don't know about you, but I feel like 43 00:02:04,474 --> 00:02:09,434 Speaker 1: so many celeb Instagram feeds Noway, I'm so curated. It's 44 00:02:09,474 --> 00:02:13,074 Speaker 1: so like the images of all these official photos that 45 00:02:13,073 --> 00:02:17,114 Speaker 1: they've taken from magazines or on tour or whatever, and 46 00:02:17,154 --> 00:02:21,194 Speaker 1: this just feels really like organic and authentic. 47 00:02:21,674 --> 00:02:23,314 Speaker 3: I mean, the placement of that photo. 48 00:02:23,434 --> 00:02:25,314 Speaker 2: I can only imagine she was in the group chat 49 00:02:25,314 --> 00:02:27,514 Speaker 2: with her friends going back and forth of where that 50 00:02:27,554 --> 00:02:30,314 Speaker 2: should be, because traditionally you put it last. Yeah, if 51 00:02:30,354 --> 00:02:32,034 Speaker 2: you're doing a bit of a hard launch via an 52 00:02:32,034 --> 00:02:35,194 Speaker 2: Instagram dump, you do it last. Or if you want 53 00:02:35,194 --> 00:02:36,914 Speaker 2: to be a little bit tricky, like a Sophie Turner, 54 00:02:36,954 --> 00:02:39,514 Speaker 2: you put a sort of obscured image, but you put 55 00:02:39,514 --> 00:02:42,314 Speaker 2: it about fifth in like with lots of group pictures. 56 00:02:42,514 --> 00:02:44,953 Speaker 2: The art of the Instagram launches like. People could write 57 00:02:44,954 --> 00:02:47,274 Speaker 2: books and I'm sure they will about how to do it, 58 00:02:47,274 --> 00:02:49,914 Speaker 2: which ones are the most successful. To put it second 59 00:02:50,034 --> 00:02:51,314 Speaker 2: is a real statement. 60 00:02:51,034 --> 00:02:53,274 Speaker 1: It is, And I actually love how you said traditionally, 61 00:02:53,514 --> 00:02:56,353 Speaker 1: like this has been around for such a long period. 62 00:02:56,074 --> 00:02:58,674 Speaker 3: Of time, I guess ten years of Instagram. 63 00:02:59,994 --> 00:03:02,154 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we've been through so many different 64 00:03:02,434 --> 00:03:05,594 Speaker 2: iterations of how you launch a relationship on Instagram. And again, 65 00:03:05,634 --> 00:03:07,474 Speaker 2: she's almost got like a traditional route, like she's a 66 00:03:07,474 --> 00:03:10,154 Speaker 2: traditional girl, just putting up a photo as the second 67 00:03:10,154 --> 00:03:12,234 Speaker 2: one and not just doing like his elbow or something. 68 00:03:12,274 --> 00:03:14,793 Speaker 1: We didn't used to have, like carousel images, like he 69 00:03:14,834 --> 00:03:16,514 Speaker 1: would only ever put one photo. 70 00:03:16,554 --> 00:03:18,314 Speaker 3: You had to commit to a photo, So that was 71 00:03:18,314 --> 00:03:20,034 Speaker 3: a whole thing. But also I think people shared a 72 00:03:20,114 --> 00:03:21,874 Speaker 3: lot more then and we're a. 73 00:03:21,794 --> 00:03:23,954 Speaker 2: Bit more kind of straightforward of like here's my partner, 74 00:03:23,994 --> 00:03:27,194 Speaker 2: even celebs, whereas now it's all about like not doing 75 00:03:27,234 --> 00:03:29,394 Speaker 2: a long caption, which I'm guilty of because I'm not cool, 76 00:03:29,634 --> 00:03:32,114 Speaker 2: or like not putting like a fully focused photo or 77 00:03:32,154 --> 00:03:33,994 Speaker 2: like not having a person's face in it. 78 00:03:34,354 --> 00:03:36,394 Speaker 1: Yes, I love that. But then there's also a really 79 00:03:36,434 --> 00:03:38,834 Speaker 1: cute video of them eating sushi and black and white, 80 00:03:38,874 --> 00:03:41,354 Speaker 1: and all of the comments on that are basically just 81 00:03:41,394 --> 00:03:44,874 Speaker 1: saying it's really cute, and they're calling him true daddy. 82 00:03:45,394 --> 00:03:47,914 Speaker 2: Oh I mean, I guess, yeah, he's always had that 83 00:03:47,954 --> 00:03:50,754 Speaker 2: like hot dad vibe. I guess that carried him through 84 00:03:50,794 --> 00:03:53,354 Speaker 2: his prime ministership, and there's now like got him a 85 00:03:53,354 --> 00:03:54,034 Speaker 2: whole fan base. 86 00:03:54,114 --> 00:03:57,914 Speaker 1: It's been like a tiny little controversy of this trip 87 00:03:57,954 --> 00:04:00,834 Speaker 1: to Japan. So basically justin Trudeau, as we all know, 88 00:04:00,834 --> 00:04:03,674 Speaker 1: it was the Canadian prime minister. He finished up this year. 89 00:04:03,714 --> 00:04:05,514 Speaker 1: But when he was in Japan, he went to this 90 00:04:05,634 --> 00:04:09,914 Speaker 1: like diplomatic visit and Katy Perry is there with these 91 00:04:09,914 --> 00:04:13,554 Speaker 1: two diplomats, and Justin's the one who posts the photo, 92 00:04:13,634 --> 00:04:15,834 Speaker 1: and Katie's standing there and everyone's like, oh my god, 93 00:04:15,874 --> 00:04:18,154 Speaker 1: what's she wearing. She's wearing like a really short little 94 00:04:18,194 --> 00:04:20,354 Speaker 1: mini skirt. And I was like, she's a pop star. 95 00:04:20,834 --> 00:04:23,993 Speaker 1: She's not a politician's wife here. She is a pop 96 00:04:24,034 --> 00:04:26,633 Speaker 1: star and he is following her, and. 97 00:04:26,553 --> 00:04:28,553 Speaker 2: She's in the middle of her own world tour at 98 00:04:28,553 --> 00:04:30,954 Speaker 2: the moment, and so with her, like you know, all 99 00:04:30,953 --> 00:04:32,993 Speaker 2: the press books she has that in the costumes and stuff, 100 00:04:32,993 --> 00:04:34,433 Speaker 2: it would be so weird if she turned up to 101 00:04:34,433 --> 00:04:37,274 Speaker 2: that event in like a full woolen kind of suit 102 00:04:37,354 --> 00:04:39,314 Speaker 2: or was trying to be like a Jackie O or 103 00:04:39,354 --> 00:04:41,313 Speaker 2: something like that, it would look like she was wearing costume. 104 00:04:41,354 --> 00:04:41,514 Speaker 3: Men. 105 00:04:41,674 --> 00:04:44,674 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's wearing stockings. That's fine. I think it's fine. 106 00:04:44,834 --> 00:04:48,313 Speaker 1: The other comparison people are making is that back around 107 00:04:48,354 --> 00:04:51,994 Speaker 1: New Year's in twenty twenty four, Katy Perry and all 108 00:04:51,953 --> 00:04:55,633 Speaker 1: Anti Blue were with each other in Japan, and some 109 00:04:56,154 --> 00:05:00,794 Speaker 1: very keen people on the internet have assumed or deduced 110 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:04,794 Speaker 1: that these two restaurants are the same restaurant, the same 111 00:05:04,834 --> 00:05:08,073 Speaker 1: sushi restaurant and theyn Now compare the two images and 112 00:05:08,113 --> 00:05:10,714 Speaker 1: it's kind of wild to me that just December last year, 113 00:05:10,834 --> 00:05:13,073 Speaker 1: Lando and Katie were like a happy little couple and 114 00:05:13,113 --> 00:05:17,313 Speaker 1: now she's got this whole new relationship with True Daddy. 115 00:05:17,594 --> 00:05:20,674 Speaker 1: But look, they look very happy. People excited to see 116 00:05:20,714 --> 00:05:25,273 Speaker 1: them together. I'm really looking forward to the next iteration 117 00:05:25,474 --> 00:05:28,073 Speaker 1: of Katy Perry and True Daddy Dad. 118 00:05:29,753 --> 00:05:32,993 Speaker 2: So, Sabrina Carpenter is Variety's new cover star and the 119 00:05:33,073 --> 00:05:35,993 Speaker 2: title of the story is Sabrina Carpenter's Wild Year of 120 00:05:36,073 --> 00:05:39,234 Speaker 2: Man's best Friend Taylor Swift and growing up. And then 121 00:05:39,274 --> 00:05:41,873 Speaker 2: there's like a little subheading that says, it's not my fault. 122 00:05:41,873 --> 00:05:43,393 Speaker 2: I got a job when I was twelve and you 123 00:05:43,393 --> 00:05:46,593 Speaker 2: won't let me evolve, which I feel is a really 124 00:05:46,674 --> 00:05:48,714 Speaker 2: great and important quote from her that I'm surprised she's 125 00:05:48,714 --> 00:05:50,073 Speaker 2: not wearing on a T shirt at this step. 126 00:05:50,234 --> 00:05:52,794 Speaker 1: It is so valid and something that happens to so 127 00:05:52,873 --> 00:05:55,674 Speaker 1: many of our child stars, Disney stars. They all say 128 00:05:55,753 --> 00:05:58,353 Speaker 1: the same thing, you know, even like Millie Bobby Brown 129 00:05:58,393 --> 00:06:00,433 Speaker 1: has said it recently. She's like, you guys, knew me 130 00:06:00,474 --> 00:06:03,153 Speaker 1: when I was a kid. I'm now an adult, Like 131 00:06:03,474 --> 00:06:05,393 Speaker 1: let me grow up, yeah, which I do. 132 00:06:05,633 --> 00:06:08,474 Speaker 2: I'm sure it is always really tiring for child stars 133 00:06:08,513 --> 00:06:11,633 Speaker 2: to have to go through this whole rigmarole every time 134 00:06:11,674 --> 00:06:14,354 Speaker 2: they evolve into something else, especially from being a Disney 135 00:06:14,633 --> 00:06:16,953 Speaker 2: child star and like being on like those cutes thing 136 00:06:17,034 --> 00:06:19,553 Speaker 2: comedies and all that sort of stuff like Sabrina Carpenter was. 137 00:06:19,794 --> 00:06:22,553 Speaker 2: It's like it's very regimented behind the scenes of how 138 00:06:22,594 --> 00:06:24,594 Speaker 2: a child star like that has to look, how they 139 00:06:24,594 --> 00:06:26,953 Speaker 2: have to behave, how they have to speak, and so 140 00:06:27,154 --> 00:06:31,713 Speaker 2: as she's evolved into this like overly sexy, playful, babied 141 00:06:31,714 --> 00:06:33,953 Speaker 2: old kind of persona that she has on stage, it's 142 00:06:33,993 --> 00:06:36,433 Speaker 2: such a huge jump. I'm sure that's like hard to address. 143 00:06:36,674 --> 00:06:39,113 Speaker 2: I think it's like not about putting it on individual 144 00:06:39,113 --> 00:06:42,553 Speaker 2: people like a Millie Bobby Brown or Sabrina Carpenter or 145 00:06:42,633 --> 00:06:44,394 Speaker 2: that sort of thing. It's more so like when we 146 00:06:44,433 --> 00:06:47,193 Speaker 2: see this evolution from child star to pop star, it 147 00:06:47,234 --> 00:06:49,514 Speaker 2: only even goes one way. It's like they're really cute 148 00:06:49,553 --> 00:06:52,954 Speaker 2: and the next second they're like really over sexualized. And 149 00:06:52,993 --> 00:06:55,193 Speaker 2: even Millie Bobby Brown, like the backlash she's got for 150 00:06:55,274 --> 00:06:57,593 Speaker 2: like the hair extensions and the makeup she was wearing 151 00:06:57,594 --> 00:07:00,674 Speaker 2: in the gown she chose, and so it's just interesting 152 00:07:00,714 --> 00:07:02,713 Speaker 2: that you never see them go the other way. I 153 00:07:02,753 --> 00:07:04,714 Speaker 2: wonder if they feel like they have to break out 154 00:07:04,794 --> 00:07:07,073 Speaker 2: of that child star persona, if they have to go 155 00:07:07,113 --> 00:07:10,314 Speaker 2: so adult like, go so quickly the other way, so 156 00:07:10,354 --> 00:07:12,474 Speaker 2: there's no way to be pulled back into that area. 157 00:07:12,674 --> 00:07:16,114 Speaker 1: My sense is that there would be this feeling of 158 00:07:16,314 --> 00:07:18,794 Speaker 1: I want people to see me in a different light, 159 00:07:19,034 --> 00:07:22,754 Speaker 1: and you can't make it a really subtle change. You've 160 00:07:22,834 --> 00:07:25,713 Speaker 1: kind of got to go go big or go home. 161 00:07:26,474 --> 00:07:28,634 Speaker 1: I mean, it can go really wrong. I think about 162 00:07:28,634 --> 00:07:31,473 Speaker 1: like Jojo Siwa, who went from like you know, Bow's 163 00:07:31,514 --> 00:07:32,114 Speaker 1: on top of her. 164 00:07:32,114 --> 00:07:34,234 Speaker 2: She has something different, like she did she really do 165 00:07:34,354 --> 00:07:36,794 Speaker 2: something different she did from a child because the thing is, 166 00:07:36,794 --> 00:07:40,074 Speaker 2: if she had followed the child star to pop star playbook, 167 00:07:40,393 --> 00:07:43,474 Speaker 2: she would have come out overtly sexual like she would 168 00:07:43,474 --> 00:07:45,874 Speaker 2: have come out in like a tiny mini dress, like 169 00:07:45,914 --> 00:07:48,314 Speaker 2: had her boobs out again she's allowed to do. She's 170 00:07:48,314 --> 00:07:52,674 Speaker 2: an adult, really over sexualized makeup, posing topless in magazines 171 00:07:52,674 --> 00:07:54,153 Speaker 2: like she could have gone that way, and that's like, 172 00:07:54,154 --> 00:07:57,114 Speaker 2: which is wild to think the traditional child start to 173 00:07:57,154 --> 00:08:00,593 Speaker 2: pop star or actress like route that they take. Instead, 174 00:08:00,674 --> 00:08:03,754 Speaker 2: she still went quirky and over the top, like the 175 00:08:03,794 --> 00:08:08,074 Speaker 2: whole kiss inspired black outfit was a bit more adult 176 00:08:08,114 --> 00:08:10,953 Speaker 2: than the Brainbow Bows, but it wasn't to me, like 177 00:08:10,994 --> 00:08:14,434 Speaker 2: it didn't come out across as like overtly sexual, like 178 00:08:14,474 --> 00:08:16,514 Speaker 2: I'm trying to shock us. She tried to shock us 179 00:08:16,514 --> 00:08:18,314 Speaker 2: by going like a I don't even know if there's 180 00:08:18,314 --> 00:08:20,434 Speaker 2: a word for it, like really kind of like almost 181 00:08:20,434 --> 00:08:21,434 Speaker 2: like an anime character. 182 00:08:21,794 --> 00:08:22,154 Speaker 3: Yeah. 183 00:08:22,674 --> 00:08:25,474 Speaker 1: The film clip though, she was like making out with, 184 00:08:25,953 --> 00:08:28,114 Speaker 1: you know, a woman on the beach and she's like, 185 00:08:28,234 --> 00:08:30,074 Speaker 1: I think that was her way of kind of trying to. 186 00:08:30,074 --> 00:08:31,953 Speaker 3: Show a little around. 187 00:08:31,994 --> 00:08:34,594 Speaker 2: I actually think that her Betty Davis eyes is her 188 00:08:34,914 --> 00:08:37,354 Speaker 2: I'm a like a woman now kind of thing, because 189 00:08:37,514 --> 00:08:39,394 Speaker 2: I know she's she's like cause playing that character, but 190 00:08:39,434 --> 00:08:42,274 Speaker 2: she's a bit more like old Hollywood, like classic hair, 191 00:08:42,474 --> 00:08:45,314 Speaker 2: red lip, very kind of like adult lookings. I think 192 00:08:45,314 --> 00:08:48,114 Speaker 2: that was more like the kind of more sexualized way. 193 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:50,594 Speaker 2: But yeah, I do think that's something that Sabrina Hartment 194 00:08:50,714 --> 00:08:53,594 Speaker 2: is really trying to kind of get across in this profile. 195 00:08:53,674 --> 00:08:56,594 Speaker 1: I think it's also really interesting with Sabrina Carpenter and 196 00:08:56,914 --> 00:08:58,713 Speaker 1: you and I can't relate to this, but this is 197 00:08:58,794 --> 00:09:01,634 Speaker 1: she's such a small woman, like she's only five foot, 198 00:09:02,034 --> 00:09:05,234 Speaker 1: she's really petite. She references in this interview a lot 199 00:09:05,274 --> 00:09:08,634 Speaker 1: how people like see this it's like little girly like 200 00:09:09,234 --> 00:09:12,594 Speaker 1: and if for some reason, like people are constantly referencing 201 00:09:12,634 --> 00:09:14,834 Speaker 1: her height, it is such a huge part of her 202 00:09:14,874 --> 00:09:18,114 Speaker 1: identity and it does like infantilize her a little bit 203 00:09:18,714 --> 00:09:21,474 Speaker 1: cut light. I've never like felt like this, like little 204 00:09:21,514 --> 00:09:22,714 Speaker 1: petit dolly thing. 205 00:09:22,954 --> 00:09:24,954 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's something here from short women a lot, 206 00:09:24,954 --> 00:09:27,194 Speaker 2: whereas they say like, oh, it's really annoying people. 207 00:09:26,914 --> 00:09:28,354 Speaker 3: Pat my head or pick me up, and I'm like, 208 00:09:28,394 --> 00:09:30,434 Speaker 3: who's picking you up? But then it happens. 209 00:09:30,634 --> 00:09:33,234 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard that from my friends to like two 210 00:09:33,234 --> 00:09:34,714 Speaker 1: of my best friends are five foot and I'm like, 211 00:09:34,754 --> 00:09:36,474 Speaker 1: they get that all the time, like people are always 212 00:09:36,474 --> 00:09:37,474 Speaker 1: trying to pick me up. 213 00:09:37,554 --> 00:09:39,594 Speaker 2: The urge to pick up a short woe that's never 214 00:09:39,634 --> 00:09:42,714 Speaker 2: crossed my mind, like I would never see. And again, 215 00:09:42,714 --> 00:09:44,434 Speaker 2: we went a lot of tiny women in this office, 216 00:09:44,474 --> 00:09:45,994 Speaker 2: and I have never once had the urge to pick 217 00:09:45,994 --> 00:09:47,634 Speaker 2: one of them up, like you can resist it. 218 00:09:47,754 --> 00:09:49,834 Speaker 1: I do have to say, though this office is very, 219 00:09:49,954 --> 00:09:50,554 Speaker 1: very tall. 220 00:09:50,594 --> 00:09:50,874 Speaker 3: We are. 221 00:09:50,954 --> 00:09:52,514 Speaker 2: Now We've evolved till we got rid of all the 222 00:09:52,514 --> 00:09:54,474 Speaker 2: short women and now we've just brought in tall. 223 00:09:54,274 --> 00:09:59,954 Speaker 1: Women Amazon women every week, so n it's really lovely. Sorry, 224 00:09:59,994 --> 00:10:01,034 Speaker 1: mon ye. 225 00:10:02,314 --> 00:10:05,233 Speaker 2: I love how in this article Sabrina and the journalists 226 00:10:05,274 --> 00:10:07,714 Speaker 2: bond over being short and the trying to think of 227 00:10:07,714 --> 00:10:09,554 Speaker 2: her own height and she was like, oh, and I'm 228 00:10:09,634 --> 00:10:11,914 Speaker 2: like an extra inch, like that maybe sounds silly to say, 229 00:10:11,914 --> 00:10:14,074 Speaker 2: and Sabrina's like, no, girl, like every bit counts. 230 00:10:14,114 --> 00:10:14,714 Speaker 3: You add that on. 231 00:10:15,074 --> 00:10:17,234 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then they talked about it being a dick joke, 232 00:10:17,274 --> 00:10:20,634 Speaker 1: which I thought was quite cute, which again leans into that. 233 00:10:21,074 --> 00:10:23,354 Speaker 1: One of the things the interviewer did ask was about 234 00:10:23,634 --> 00:10:27,794 Speaker 1: the controversy on The Man's Best Friend album cover, which 235 00:10:27,834 --> 00:10:30,234 Speaker 1: we did speak about earlier on in the air, and 236 00:10:30,314 --> 00:10:32,874 Speaker 1: she was talking about how it like it really seemed 237 00:10:32,914 --> 00:10:36,114 Speaker 1: to like people were really really shocked by it, and 238 00:10:36,194 --> 00:10:39,274 Speaker 1: she was almost a bit confused about it. But I 239 00:10:39,314 --> 00:10:42,354 Speaker 1: love the way that she responds to it because I 240 00:10:42,354 --> 00:10:46,394 Speaker 1: think it's a very very clever way to address these 241 00:10:46,394 --> 00:10:49,274 Speaker 1: sorts of controversial things. So she says, it met one 242 00:10:49,274 --> 00:10:51,434 Speaker 1: thing to me and a hundred things to other people, 243 00:10:51,514 --> 00:10:53,474 Speaker 1: And I was looking at it and going that's valid, 244 00:10:53,554 --> 00:10:56,274 Speaker 1: mine's valid. What's for dinner? Not to buy bass the 245 00:10:56,314 --> 00:10:58,674 Speaker 1: weight that it did carry for some people. I saw 246 00:10:58,714 --> 00:11:00,554 Speaker 1: and it was like, that's a great point. It wasn't 247 00:11:00,554 --> 00:11:03,114 Speaker 1: the point I was trying to make. She's kind of 248 00:11:03,474 --> 00:11:07,874 Speaker 1: really acknowledging what other people are thinking, understanding it and 249 00:11:07,914 --> 00:11:10,794 Speaker 1: saying Yep, that's valid. It just strikes me as the 250 00:11:10,834 --> 00:11:13,954 Speaker 1: difference between the way Sabrina has answered a question like 251 00:11:13,994 --> 00:11:16,114 Speaker 1: that versus like someone like Sydney Sweeney. 252 00:11:16,394 --> 00:11:18,514 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Sidney Tweeney is one hundred percent got 253 00:11:18,554 --> 00:11:21,074 Speaker 2: a new PR team working around her because she's dramatically 254 00:11:21,194 --> 00:11:24,154 Speaker 2: changed her stance on things. I mean dramatically she's changed 255 00:11:24,154 --> 00:11:26,274 Speaker 2: her stance on things recently and kind of is addressing 256 00:11:26,274 --> 00:11:29,314 Speaker 2: a few things like the Jeens campaign that she hasn't before. 257 00:11:29,594 --> 00:11:30,674 Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought this was interesting. 258 00:11:30,754 --> 00:11:32,554 Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is, I guess an easier way 259 00:11:32,554 --> 00:11:34,594 Speaker 2: for Sabrina Carpenter to address this is like, it was 260 00:11:34,634 --> 00:11:36,594 Speaker 2: a scandal, but it was a pop star scandal. Yeah, 261 00:11:36,674 --> 00:11:39,874 Speaker 2: So if anyone's forgotten this scandal that really shook us 262 00:11:39,914 --> 00:11:42,794 Speaker 2: this year, it was the Man's Best Friend. The cover 263 00:11:42,914 --> 00:11:45,554 Speaker 2: for it and the photo was Sabrina Carpenter down her 264 00:11:45,594 --> 00:11:48,194 Speaker 2: hands and knees, looking all sexy and cute and short, 265 00:11:48,354 --> 00:11:51,434 Speaker 2: with like a nondescript man's hand reaching out the side 266 00:11:51,514 --> 00:11:54,634 Speaker 2: and yanking her hair up, and people were upset because 267 00:11:54,674 --> 00:11:57,194 Speaker 2: they thought it was sort of signaling like violence against 268 00:11:57,234 --> 00:11:59,914 Speaker 2: women or women being treated badly. And then some people 269 00:11:59,914 --> 00:12:01,794 Speaker 2: were like, no, no, no, like it's a play on her 270 00:12:01,794 --> 00:12:04,914 Speaker 2: whole sexy persona. And then there was this whole conspiracy, 271 00:12:04,914 --> 00:12:07,953 Speaker 2: which I'm so sad didn't come true, that the full 272 00:12:07,954 --> 00:12:09,874 Speaker 2: cover was going to come out, because this was pre release, 273 00:12:09,954 --> 00:12:12,194 Speaker 2: before the full album came out, that it was going 274 00:12:12,274 --> 00:12:14,754 Speaker 2: to show that it was like her hand like pulling 275 00:12:14,754 --> 00:12:16,514 Speaker 2: her own hair and kind of like like you know, 276 00:12:16,594 --> 00:12:18,714 Speaker 2: she's the one in control kind of thing, but that 277 00:12:18,794 --> 00:12:22,074 Speaker 2: didn't materialize. It was just the original photo. And in 278 00:12:22,114 --> 00:12:24,594 Speaker 2: this article when she's talking about it, she was saying 279 00:12:24,674 --> 00:12:26,634 Speaker 2: it was actually meant to show that you can be 280 00:12:26,674 --> 00:12:28,954 Speaker 2: in control. So she's like she's the pop star, but 281 00:12:28,954 --> 00:12:31,953 Speaker 2: there's someone else in control of her. And she's also 282 00:12:32,074 --> 00:12:34,314 Speaker 2: saying that like she was meant to be looking into 283 00:12:34,314 --> 00:12:37,754 Speaker 2: the camera with this expression that's meant to be like 284 00:12:37,914 --> 00:12:40,794 Speaker 2: a little bit of kind of intrigue but also pleasure. 285 00:12:40,834 --> 00:12:42,514 Speaker 2: But also to show that she was stressed. So it 286 00:12:42,594 --> 00:12:46,154 Speaker 2: was meant to be conveying all these different emotions. The 287 00:12:46,154 --> 00:12:48,474 Speaker 2: one emotion she said was like, it was never about 288 00:12:48,514 --> 00:12:50,434 Speaker 2: degrading women, and that's not what she wanted people to 289 00:12:50,514 --> 00:12:51,314 Speaker 2: take away from it. 290 00:12:51,514 --> 00:12:53,714 Speaker 1: To be honest, I never looked at that image and 291 00:12:53,794 --> 00:12:58,514 Speaker 1: thought that it was her being a submissive woman and 292 00:12:59,594 --> 00:13:02,634 Speaker 1: encouraging you know, violence. Excuse me, I never saw that 293 00:13:02,674 --> 00:13:06,274 Speaker 1: when I when I saw the image, Honestly, as soon 294 00:13:06,314 --> 00:13:07,954 Speaker 1: as I saw it, I was like, Okay, Yeah, she's 295 00:13:08,034 --> 00:13:10,394 Speaker 1: doing a player on the way that women can feel 296 00:13:10,434 --> 00:13:14,154 Speaker 1: like controlled in a relationship, or the way that men 297 00:13:14,514 --> 00:13:17,274 Speaker 1: or a new relationship can play on your emotions. And 298 00:13:17,514 --> 00:13:20,554 Speaker 1: I kind of understood that, but you know, everyone has 299 00:13:20,554 --> 00:13:22,754 Speaker 1: a different interpretation of it, and you've got to kind 300 00:13:22,754 --> 00:13:23,914 Speaker 1: of lean into it. 301 00:13:24,034 --> 00:13:26,074 Speaker 2: Yeah, And in this piece, when the adrenalists asked her, 302 00:13:26,074 --> 00:13:27,994 Speaker 2: but what about the other photos you took? So obviously 303 00:13:28,034 --> 00:13:30,274 Speaker 2: she released more primo images, and I think she was 304 00:13:30,274 --> 00:13:32,154 Speaker 2: trying to get the story of like, were you trying 305 00:13:32,154 --> 00:13:34,154 Speaker 2: to backtrack? Were you trying to you know, push the 306 00:13:34,194 --> 00:13:36,834 Speaker 2: scandal away? And Sabrina Carpenter and this is so indicative 307 00:13:36,874 --> 00:13:38,434 Speaker 2: the way she talks. She was like, girl, I just 308 00:13:38,434 --> 00:13:40,394 Speaker 2: wanted to take some more pictures. And I was like, yeah, 309 00:13:40,394 --> 00:13:42,594 Speaker 2: sometimes it really is that simple that she just wanted 310 00:13:42,634 --> 00:13:43,754 Speaker 2: to take more pictures. 311 00:13:43,434 --> 00:13:46,074 Speaker 1: And honestly the pictures she's just there's something about her 312 00:13:46,074 --> 00:13:48,514 Speaker 1: aesthetic that's just so adorable to me, but in like 313 00:13:48,554 --> 00:13:52,354 Speaker 1: this really sexy way, which is obviously her whole persona. Yeah, 314 00:13:52,394 --> 00:13:54,634 Speaker 1: but she's wearing on the cover of the image, she's 315 00:13:54,674 --> 00:13:59,914 Speaker 1: wearing this little like prairie handkerchief thing around her neck, 316 00:13:59,994 --> 00:14:03,034 Speaker 1: like a doily kind of fabric, and she's got this 317 00:14:03,194 --> 00:14:06,594 Speaker 1: like who me look on her face, and I'm like, 318 00:14:06,674 --> 00:14:07,874 Speaker 1: I just love that. 319 00:14:07,874 --> 00:14:10,354 Speaker 2: The marketing for her kind of rebrand because the thing 320 00:14:10,394 --> 00:14:11,634 Speaker 2: is she's been trying to be a pop star. 321 00:14:11,954 --> 00:14:14,074 Speaker 3: She was successful, but she's really. 322 00:14:13,874 --> 00:14:17,234 Speaker 2: Was trying to be like a mainstream, huge pop star 323 00:14:17,554 --> 00:14:20,794 Speaker 2: for over seven years and probably longer than that. When 324 00:14:20,794 --> 00:14:23,034 Speaker 2: she says like, I've been toiling away for over seven years, 325 00:14:23,074 --> 00:14:24,674 Speaker 2: that's kind of the number she often puts on it. 326 00:14:24,954 --> 00:14:27,634 Speaker 2: And then she's had this huge, huge breakout year, and 327 00:14:27,674 --> 00:14:29,434 Speaker 2: a lot of that is to do with branding, which 328 00:14:29,554 --> 00:14:32,234 Speaker 2: really could have fallen flat because it comes across as 329 00:14:32,314 --> 00:14:35,434 Speaker 2: so old school and so kind of advertly sexual. But 330 00:14:35,514 --> 00:14:38,354 Speaker 2: the thing is she's able to put this beautiful kind 331 00:14:38,354 --> 00:14:41,594 Speaker 2: of like playfulness and a reverence through it that doesn't 332 00:14:41,634 --> 00:14:43,914 Speaker 2: feel like an act, like the way she talks and 333 00:14:43,954 --> 00:14:45,874 Speaker 2: the whole stick that she has on stage when she 334 00:14:45,954 --> 00:14:48,034 Speaker 2: opens her tour with like the whole being in the 335 00:14:48,074 --> 00:14:50,194 Speaker 2: bath tub and running across the towel and like not 336 00:14:50,194 --> 00:14:51,994 Speaker 2: being able to like get the mic down, and. 337 00:14:51,954 --> 00:14:53,594 Speaker 3: She's like, I'm so tiny. I don't know what to do. 338 00:14:53,794 --> 00:14:55,314 Speaker 3: Because you know, if you're sure, you got to use it. 339 00:14:55,394 --> 00:14:56,754 Speaker 3: That's why I don't know. I didn't forgot her that. 340 00:14:57,074 --> 00:14:59,554 Speaker 3: But it's all these little things, like the sexiness wouldn't 341 00:14:59,554 --> 00:15:01,514 Speaker 3: work unless the comedy side of it works. 342 00:15:01,554 --> 00:15:03,794 Speaker 2: She's like an old school kind of like a old 343 00:15:03,794 --> 00:15:06,234 Speaker 2: school sitcom lucial Ball, almost. 344 00:15:06,154 --> 00:15:08,874 Speaker 1: Very loose sial Ball. I really do get that sense 345 00:15:08,914 --> 00:15:14,034 Speaker 1: of this kind of nineteen fifties quirky, sexy Lucilleball thing 346 00:15:14,154 --> 00:15:17,554 Speaker 1: from her hundred percent. It's really interesting because as part 347 00:15:17,594 --> 00:15:20,514 Speaker 1: of this cover, she was the twenty twenty five Variety 348 00:15:20,594 --> 00:15:23,234 Speaker 1: Hit Maker and they had you know, a brunch out 349 00:15:23,274 --> 00:15:26,354 Speaker 1: in La and she accepted her award and one of 350 00:15:26,434 --> 00:15:28,474 Speaker 1: the things she says she's like, the easiest way to 351 00:15:28,514 --> 00:15:30,714 Speaker 1: write a bad song is to try to write a hit, 352 00:15:30,834 --> 00:15:33,794 Speaker 1: And she's referencing the early years of her career when 353 00:15:34,194 --> 00:15:36,474 Speaker 1: the studio were really forcing her to try and write 354 00:15:36,474 --> 00:15:40,034 Speaker 1: these big kits, and she talks to being really creatively 355 00:15:40,074 --> 00:15:43,234 Speaker 1: stifled in that sort of era of her career. And 356 00:15:43,274 --> 00:15:45,274 Speaker 1: then the other thing she says, and I think this 357 00:15:45,314 --> 00:15:47,954 Speaker 1: is part of this cheekiness that she has, like you've 358 00:15:47,954 --> 00:15:50,274 Speaker 1: got to call men stupid in as many ways as 359 00:15:50,314 --> 00:15:50,754 Speaker 1: you can. 360 00:15:51,474 --> 00:15:53,794 Speaker 3: Yeah, love that from her. She's really leading the charge 361 00:15:53,794 --> 00:15:54,034 Speaker 3: on that. 362 00:15:54,314 --> 00:15:56,794 Speaker 2: Not that the Variety cover wasn't interesting and obviously some 363 00:15:56,834 --> 00:15:58,994 Speaker 2: of it took part at the concert with like how 364 00:15:59,034 --> 00:16:01,794 Speaker 2: women perceive her, and like it's so interesting too that 365 00:16:01,834 --> 00:16:04,434 Speaker 2: as much as she's like overly sexual and like this 366 00:16:04,594 --> 00:16:07,594 Speaker 2: kind of like rough and tumble sex pinup girl, like 367 00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:10,074 Speaker 2: her fandom really is women, and women love her for that, 368 00:16:10,154 --> 00:16:12,834 Speaker 2: like Sabrina Carpenter is for the girls, not the boys, absolutely, 369 00:16:13,154 --> 00:16:15,114 Speaker 2: which I really love because again, if she didn't have 370 00:16:15,154 --> 00:16:18,354 Speaker 2: that kind of smart playfulness, she would only really be 371 00:16:18,394 --> 00:16:20,634 Speaker 2: appealing to men. But it's the girls who like find 372 00:16:20,714 --> 00:16:23,154 Speaker 2: something in her that they feel like kind of champions them, 373 00:16:23,314 --> 00:16:25,394 Speaker 2: which is such a hard line to walk. But I 374 00:16:25,394 --> 00:16:27,794 Speaker 2: did love her speech at Variety where she was talking 375 00:16:27,834 --> 00:16:30,794 Speaker 2: about just the creative process, which I feel is something 376 00:16:30,794 --> 00:16:34,394 Speaker 2: that we never assigned to talking about Sabrina Carpenter. That's 377 00:16:34,474 --> 00:16:36,714 Speaker 2: usually like that's a Taylor Swift or Gracie Abrams or 378 00:16:36,714 --> 00:16:39,274 Speaker 2: a Chapel Roone. And when she was saying like, if 379 00:16:39,314 --> 00:16:41,674 Speaker 2: you sit down and you try and write something, and 380 00:16:41,674 --> 00:16:43,394 Speaker 2: you're thinking about what the critics will say, and you're 381 00:16:43,394 --> 00:16:45,314 Speaker 2: thinking about what people will say about this, and you're 382 00:16:45,314 --> 00:16:48,354 Speaker 2: trying to write, like what line will people like pull 383 00:16:48,394 --> 00:16:49,954 Speaker 2: out of this that will be the hit? What will 384 00:16:49,994 --> 00:16:53,034 Speaker 2: they play on radio stations, you instantly just fail. And 385 00:16:53,074 --> 00:16:54,514 Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that's good advice. 386 00:16:54,754 --> 00:16:56,994 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting that you mentioned Taylor Swift 387 00:16:56,994 --> 00:16:59,674 Speaker 1: because obviously she was on the Taylor Swift album, and 388 00:16:59,794 --> 00:17:01,434 Speaker 1: you know, she talks a little bit about working with 389 00:17:01,474 --> 00:17:04,033 Speaker 1: her and having a great vibe with her. What I 390 00:17:04,074 --> 00:17:09,273 Speaker 1: do find interesting is how her cheeky, little quirky lines 391 00:17:09,314 --> 00:17:11,674 Speaker 1: that she writes in her music, those seem to land 392 00:17:11,714 --> 00:17:14,914 Speaker 1: a little bit better than, for example, would in the 393 00:17:14,914 --> 00:17:17,914 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift album. If you look at the like the 394 00:17:18,034 --> 00:17:21,634 Speaker 1: public reaction to both of those songs, which is effectively 395 00:17:21,634 --> 00:17:25,033 Speaker 1: the same thing. They're doing, these cheeky things. Why didn't 396 00:17:25,034 --> 00:17:28,274 Speaker 1: it work as well for Taylor Swift in the public 397 00:17:28,314 --> 00:17:31,594 Speaker 1: as it did for Sabrina. Is it because Sabrina has 398 00:17:31,634 --> 00:17:33,314 Speaker 1: more of that vibe already? 399 00:17:33,794 --> 00:17:34,034 Speaker 3: Yeah? 400 00:17:34,074 --> 00:17:36,754 Speaker 2: I think that was such an interesting thing when Taylorsift's 401 00:17:36,754 --> 00:17:38,954 Speaker 2: like latest album came out and everyone was dissecting it, 402 00:17:38,994 --> 00:17:40,994 Speaker 2: is that Wood was the one they pulled out that 403 00:17:41,074 --> 00:17:43,314 Speaker 2: felt like it shouldn't have belonged there, even though she's 404 00:17:43,314 --> 00:17:46,033 Speaker 2: been songs like that before, maybe with not exactly the 405 00:17:46,034 --> 00:17:47,874 Speaker 2: same lyrics, But I didn't feel like it was this 406 00:17:47,994 --> 00:17:50,954 Speaker 2: huge departure. But that was the conversation at the time, 407 00:17:51,074 --> 00:17:53,754 Speaker 2: is that everyone thought that she was trying to tap 408 00:17:53,794 --> 00:17:56,954 Speaker 2: into what Sabrina Carboner had done, and it was almost 409 00:17:56,994 --> 00:17:58,834 Speaker 2: like this elder pop star, even though she's on like 410 00:17:58,834 --> 00:18:01,714 Speaker 2: thirty five, this elder pop star kind of leaching onto 411 00:18:01,714 --> 00:18:04,634 Speaker 2: this younger pop star and trying to pull her fandom over. 412 00:18:05,154 --> 00:18:07,273 Speaker 2: I think probably the simpler answer is that Taylor's of 413 00:18:07,314 --> 00:18:10,434 Speaker 2: like everyone else, is just very inspired by people around her. 414 00:18:10,474 --> 00:18:12,034 Speaker 2: I know, we don't assign that to her because she's 415 00:18:12,034 --> 00:18:13,313 Speaker 2: meant to be in a league of her own. But 416 00:18:13,354 --> 00:18:15,914 Speaker 2: I do think that she's as much as other stars 417 00:18:15,914 --> 00:18:17,994 Speaker 2: are or just people very kind of swayed by the 418 00:18:18,074 --> 00:18:20,194 Speaker 2: music she listens to and the music that people that 419 00:18:20,234 --> 00:18:23,234 Speaker 2: she hears people around her singing. And she probably is 420 00:18:23,274 --> 00:18:26,033 Speaker 2: also in a different place in her life, being in 421 00:18:26,074 --> 00:18:28,914 Speaker 2: love writing and so writing a happier album. So I 422 00:18:28,914 --> 00:18:31,194 Speaker 2: don't think it was like she was copying Sabrina Carpenter, but. 423 00:18:31,114 --> 00:18:32,593 Speaker 1: I do No, I don't think she was either. It 424 00:18:32,634 --> 00:18:34,553 Speaker 1: was more about it was for me, it was just 425 00:18:34,594 --> 00:18:39,114 Speaker 1: more interesting to see the reception. Well yeh, because in isolation, 426 00:18:39,194 --> 00:18:41,114 Speaker 1: they're the same sort of thing. It's talking about the 427 00:18:41,114 --> 00:18:43,994 Speaker 1: same thing. It's women enjoying sex and women playing and 428 00:18:44,314 --> 00:18:46,714 Speaker 1: that's the fun of it. It's both funny. 429 00:18:46,874 --> 00:18:48,554 Speaker 3: I think with Life of a show Girl, there's a 430 00:18:48,594 --> 00:18:49,074 Speaker 3: lot happening. 431 00:18:49,194 --> 00:18:51,634 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you had songs like about canceled friends, you 432 00:18:51,674 --> 00:18:53,754 Speaker 2: had songs about being in love, you had songs about 433 00:18:53,754 --> 00:18:56,513 Speaker 2: like feuds with Charlie XCX and stuff, and so I 434 00:18:56,514 --> 00:18:58,634 Speaker 2: think maybe that had been like the core through the 435 00:18:58,674 --> 00:19:01,074 Speaker 2: whole album. Maybe, But because it was kind of just 436 00:19:01,154 --> 00:19:03,714 Speaker 2: in there and then like the other songs quite tonally different, 437 00:19:03,834 --> 00:19:04,474 Speaker 2: it felt like. 438 00:19:04,434 --> 00:19:05,634 Speaker 3: A job Yeah, I don't know. 439 00:19:05,634 --> 00:19:07,874 Speaker 2: I think people thought it was gimmicky, maybe too, just 440 00:19:08,114 --> 00:19:10,274 Speaker 2: like a few of the lines. Again, I don't think 441 00:19:10,314 --> 00:19:13,194 Speaker 2: I think that, but I think their collaboration made her 442 00:19:13,234 --> 00:19:15,034 Speaker 2: a bigger target for people to think that she was 443 00:19:15,074 --> 00:19:16,954 Speaker 2: trying to like be Sabrina Carpenter. 444 00:19:17,314 --> 00:19:19,874 Speaker 1: I am so obsessed with her at the moment. This year, 445 00:19:19,994 --> 00:19:23,954 Speaker 1: she has been my standout celeb and pop star. Like 446 00:19:24,114 --> 00:19:26,154 Speaker 1: I eat up everything she does. 447 00:19:26,314 --> 00:19:28,194 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just love I actually think frothy pop. 448 00:19:28,234 --> 00:19:30,394 Speaker 2: I know people think it's a bit throw away and stuff, 449 00:19:30,434 --> 00:19:32,354 Speaker 2: but I think to come up with a really good 450 00:19:32,474 --> 00:19:35,154 Speaker 2: she's a frothy pop song that really gets into your 451 00:19:35,194 --> 00:19:37,634 Speaker 2: life that you want to listen to on repeat, it 452 00:19:37,754 --> 00:19:40,114 Speaker 2: can be really hard and to have all these little 453 00:19:40,154 --> 00:19:43,114 Speaker 2: gimmicky things to have them land in the correct way 454 00:19:43,274 --> 00:19:45,514 Speaker 2: is also really difficult. So I think that she actually 455 00:19:45,554 --> 00:19:47,194 Speaker 2: like she's got all like the you know, the money 456 00:19:47,234 --> 00:19:49,434 Speaker 2: and stuff and everything, so she's like being rewarded in 457 00:19:49,474 --> 00:19:51,634 Speaker 2: that way. But I think like being like in the 458 00:19:51,634 --> 00:19:53,474 Speaker 2: mix for like the Grammys and being a bit more 459 00:19:53,474 --> 00:19:57,034 Speaker 2: critically acclaimed and having these sellout stadium tours has been 460 00:19:57,154 --> 00:19:59,033 Speaker 2: a bit more Again, as she said, like she's like 461 00:19:59,034 --> 00:20:01,514 Speaker 2: I've been working for years, and for years she put 462 00:20:01,554 --> 00:20:04,194 Speaker 2: out albums no one listened. She put out more albums, 463 00:20:04,194 --> 00:20:06,354 Speaker 2: no one listened. Everyone just saw her as this kind 464 00:20:06,394 --> 00:20:08,594 Speaker 2: of like star who was trying to be a pop star, 465 00:20:08,714 --> 00:20:10,874 Speaker 2: and no one saw her as someone who could even sing. 466 00:20:11,394 --> 00:20:11,994 Speaker 3: That's crazy. 467 00:20:12,034 --> 00:20:14,034 Speaker 2: It's just like we always think everyone's an overnight success, 468 00:20:14,074 --> 00:20:17,273 Speaker 2: but there's just really no overnight success. People don't really exist. 469 00:20:17,434 --> 00:20:20,354 Speaker 1: So Jack Antanov did introduce her at this particular award 470 00:20:20,834 --> 00:20:23,394 Speaker 1: and he said, she's just really smart. 471 00:20:23,594 --> 00:20:25,194 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I believe that that. 472 00:20:25,194 --> 00:20:27,354 Speaker 1: At its core is what we should be taking away 473 00:20:27,354 --> 00:20:30,714 Speaker 1: from Sabrina Carpenter. She knows exactly what she's doing. 474 00:20:30,794 --> 00:20:32,874 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a smart girl. Well, we'll link the full 475 00:20:32,954 --> 00:20:35,754 Speaker 2: Variety interview in our show notes. There's a lot more 476 00:20:35,834 --> 00:20:37,994 Speaker 2: there to get into, so it's well worth a Readana 477 00:20:38,034 --> 00:20:42,794 Speaker 2: Da Okay, So the Golden Globe nominations for twenty twenty 478 00:20:42,874 --> 00:20:47,274 Speaker 2: six have been announced. So we have one standout movie already, 479 00:20:47,434 --> 00:20:49,273 Speaker 2: which I was kind of hoping that there would be 480 00:20:49,314 --> 00:20:52,234 Speaker 2: maybe a bit more push and pull between the movies 481 00:20:52,274 --> 00:20:54,394 Speaker 2: this year because we are shaping up to sort of 482 00:20:54,474 --> 00:20:56,793 Speaker 2: know who we're going to win. Some of the Oscar categories. 483 00:20:57,074 --> 00:21:00,114 Speaker 2: So for a surprise to No. One, one battle after 484 00:21:00,154 --> 00:21:04,194 Speaker 2: another leads the nomination. So it has nine nominations including 485 00:21:04,714 --> 00:21:09,394 Speaker 2: Best Picture, Director and Screenwriter. Then we have sentimental value. Again, 486 00:21:09,514 --> 00:21:11,793 Speaker 2: no surprises there A lot of these movies have been 487 00:21:11,914 --> 00:21:14,314 Speaker 2: tailored for the Oscars race. Sorry, no surprise, they're in 488 00:21:14,354 --> 00:21:17,154 Speaker 2: the mix with has eight nominations, followed by and this 489 00:21:17,194 --> 00:21:20,794 Speaker 2: is what I'm excited about, Sinners with seven nominations because 490 00:21:20,914 --> 00:21:24,594 Speaker 2: of its vampire nature, often something that the Oscars would 491 00:21:24,674 --> 00:21:26,874 Speaker 2: sort of push out of the way. Golden Globes, they're 492 00:21:26,874 --> 00:21:28,754 Speaker 2: a bit more foo loose and fancy free, so they 493 00:21:28,794 --> 00:21:30,154 Speaker 2: will let them in the mix as it's. 494 00:21:30,154 --> 00:21:33,154 Speaker 1: Kind of like the fun cousin, you know, like it's 495 00:21:33,234 --> 00:21:35,794 Speaker 1: this is the one that everybody enjoys, and it's really 496 00:21:35,834 --> 00:21:39,994 Speaker 1: the first awards show of the season. It is usually 497 00:21:40,034 --> 00:21:41,714 Speaker 1: a little bit give you a bit of an insight 498 00:21:41,794 --> 00:21:44,194 Speaker 1: into what's going to happen for the rest of award season, 499 00:21:44,674 --> 00:21:47,554 Speaker 1: and often they say, like if you win the Golden Globe, 500 00:21:47,594 --> 00:21:49,674 Speaker 1: you're kind of definitely in the running for an Oscar. 501 00:21:49,914 --> 00:21:53,154 Speaker 1: There's obviously differences between the two award shows, but it 502 00:21:53,194 --> 00:21:56,914 Speaker 1: really is a great little tester of what's going to happen. 503 00:21:57,114 --> 00:21:58,354 Speaker 3: Yes, So the Golden Globes. 504 00:21:58,474 --> 00:22:00,834 Speaker 2: It's also the only big award show where you have 505 00:22:01,074 --> 00:22:03,794 Speaker 2: the film people and the TV people together in one room, 506 00:22:03,834 --> 00:22:06,114 Speaker 2: which is always a fun time, and a lot of 507 00:22:06,114 --> 00:22:08,394 Speaker 2: the industry kind of looks on them as like, your 508 00:22:08,434 --> 00:22:11,954 Speaker 2: award show has gotten huge, but it doesn't mean as much. Obviously, 509 00:22:12,034 --> 00:22:14,794 Speaker 2: they had that huge revamp after being canceled a couple 510 00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:18,274 Speaker 2: of years ago with like allegations of money and favors 511 00:22:18,314 --> 00:22:21,634 Speaker 2: trading hands. In terms of nominations, the Golden Globe people 512 00:22:21,634 --> 00:22:24,073 Speaker 2: are also known to just like hanging out with celebrities, 513 00:22:24,154 --> 00:22:27,474 Speaker 2: which again relatable. Sometimes they just nominate people who don't 514 00:22:27,474 --> 00:22:29,154 Speaker 2: deserve to be nominated because they want to have them 515 00:22:29,194 --> 00:22:30,394 Speaker 2: in the room and have a drink with them. 516 00:22:30,474 --> 00:22:32,754 Speaker 1: It's a big difference between the Golden Globes and the Oscars, 517 00:22:32,794 --> 00:22:36,074 Speaker 1: and this may seem minor, but it does attribute the 518 00:22:36,114 --> 00:22:39,394 Speaker 1: fun aspect of it. So the Golden Globes is a 519 00:22:39,514 --> 00:22:42,914 Speaker 1: dinner they actually sit down at tables and they're allowed 520 00:22:42,914 --> 00:22:46,354 Speaker 1: to drink and eat while the awards show is happening. 521 00:22:46,514 --> 00:22:50,234 Speaker 1: The Oscars is a theater set up. So the general 522 00:22:50,314 --> 00:22:54,034 Speaker 1: consensus among most of these celebrities. Is the Golden Globes 523 00:22:54,034 --> 00:22:55,834 Speaker 1: are way more fun because you can actually like the 524 00:22:55,994 --> 00:22:57,714 Speaker 1: lay out and you like run to the bathrooms and 525 00:22:57,754 --> 00:23:01,033 Speaker 1: everyone's like running around. And it was the one awards 526 00:23:01,034 --> 00:23:02,833 Speaker 1: show that I was able to go to when I 527 00:23:02,954 --> 00:23:06,634 Speaker 1: was working at ME. I went and because NBC Universal 528 00:23:06,714 --> 00:23:10,273 Speaker 1: were at a time airing the award shows, and so 529 00:23:10,354 --> 00:23:13,114 Speaker 1: I was able to stand there and watch it. And 530 00:23:13,154 --> 00:23:16,034 Speaker 1: it is crazy, crazy, crazy crazy. 531 00:23:16,154 --> 00:23:17,914 Speaker 2: And I almost feel like now that people are so 532 00:23:17,954 --> 00:23:20,034 Speaker 2: worried about getting canceled and stuff, that they're not as 533 00:23:20,114 --> 00:23:21,034 Speaker 2: loose as they used to be. 534 00:23:21,194 --> 00:23:23,434 Speaker 3: I'm like, bring back to the looser tables, That's what 535 00:23:23,474 --> 00:23:24,074 Speaker 3: I want to say. 536 00:23:24,314 --> 00:23:28,394 Speaker 2: So, yes, Sinner's with seven nominations, Hamnet with six. I've 537 00:23:28,474 --> 00:23:31,793 Speaker 2: only seen Hamnett this week in Incredible, Incredible. Now I 538 00:23:31,794 --> 00:23:34,394 Speaker 2: want it to win everything. Frankenstein is in the mix. 539 00:23:34,554 --> 00:23:37,674 Speaker 2: Netflix made sure of that, and Wicked for Good has 540 00:23:37,714 --> 00:23:41,674 Speaker 2: fired nominations. Wicked for Good not being nominated in the 541 00:23:41,794 --> 00:23:44,954 Speaker 2: movie category even though it has got nominations for actors 542 00:23:44,954 --> 00:23:48,553 Speaker 2: and songs, which has I think hurt its chances a 543 00:23:48,554 --> 00:23:50,194 Speaker 2: little bit. But we'll get to that as we talk 544 00:23:50,274 --> 00:23:53,954 Speaker 2: more about the movie section later in the TV category 545 00:23:54,274 --> 00:23:57,154 Speaker 2: kind of quite expected. The White Lotus is topped with 546 00:23:57,274 --> 00:24:00,114 Speaker 2: six nominations, and like, I think everyone who's in there 547 00:24:00,154 --> 00:24:02,194 Speaker 2: is quite deserved. I'd feel a bit bad for Leslie 548 00:24:02,194 --> 00:24:04,033 Speaker 2: Bibb kind of missing. I feel like just because that 549 00:24:04,154 --> 00:24:07,074 Speaker 2: her section is quite stacked, that she keeps getting knocked out. 550 00:24:07,474 --> 00:24:10,954 Speaker 2: Adolescence was also up there with five nominations. I think 551 00:24:10,994 --> 00:24:13,794 Speaker 2: that'll have a really strong night, especially coming off the Emmys, 552 00:24:13,794 --> 00:24:16,194 Speaker 2: where like all of those speeches just blew everyone out 553 00:24:16,194 --> 00:24:16,594 Speaker 2: of the water. 554 00:24:17,034 --> 00:24:20,914 Speaker 1: Only Murders in the Building I was really surprised at this. 555 00:24:21,274 --> 00:24:23,914 Speaker 1: I'm a big Only Murders in the Building fan. I 556 00:24:24,034 --> 00:24:27,354 Speaker 1: really really enjoy the show. I think it's quirky, it's fun. 557 00:24:27,474 --> 00:24:31,114 Speaker 1: Steve Martin and Martin Short just such a dynamic duo. 558 00:24:31,434 --> 00:24:34,754 Speaker 1: Selena Gomez has been nominated in the Actor category as well, 559 00:24:35,354 --> 00:24:38,314 Speaker 1: and I do find it quite interesting because now we're 560 00:24:38,314 --> 00:24:40,234 Speaker 1: in the season I think we're in season five now 561 00:24:40,234 --> 00:24:43,074 Speaker 1: of Only Murders in the Building, and it has become 562 00:24:43,154 --> 00:24:46,794 Speaker 1: quite tropy. It's very formulaic. This season is very formulaic. 563 00:24:47,114 --> 00:24:50,794 Speaker 1: It is still very, very enjoyable, but I was very 564 00:24:50,834 --> 00:24:53,954 Speaker 1: surprised to see so many nominations for it. Something else 565 00:24:53,994 --> 00:24:56,754 Speaker 1: I was quite surprised to see as part of that 566 00:24:56,834 --> 00:24:59,754 Speaker 1: particular category is in the best Male Actor in the 567 00:24:59,754 --> 00:25:03,074 Speaker 1: Comedy or Musical segment, We've got Adam body nobody wants 568 00:25:03,194 --> 00:25:05,954 Speaker 1: is Steve Martin, Glenn Powell, Chad Powers. 569 00:25:05,994 --> 00:25:09,194 Speaker 2: That was so shocked to me. I think the globes 570 00:25:09,234 --> 00:25:10,754 Speaker 2: just want to hang out with gun and power. And 571 00:25:10,794 --> 00:25:11,834 Speaker 2: again that's fair. 572 00:25:11,874 --> 00:25:15,234 Speaker 1: Flad, Seth Brogan in the Studio, Valid Martin short only 573 00:25:15,274 --> 00:25:18,514 Speaker 1: mad it is a million Jeremy Allen White, the Bear. Now, 574 00:25:18,514 --> 00:25:21,514 Speaker 1: I know the Bear is in this category, but it's 575 00:25:21,554 --> 00:25:23,874 Speaker 1: always one that's confused me. I don't think the Bear 576 00:25:23,994 --> 00:25:25,273 Speaker 1: is a comedy for a musical. 577 00:25:25,394 --> 00:25:26,994 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I just I don't know if there's another 578 00:25:27,034 --> 00:25:30,154 Speaker 2: way to have this conversation, like every year a conversation. 579 00:25:31,194 --> 00:25:33,154 Speaker 2: It's to do with the timing, and also you can 580 00:25:33,194 --> 00:25:35,634 Speaker 2: submit yourself to a category like you choose where to sit. 581 00:25:35,834 --> 00:25:37,273 Speaker 1: Now. I know we have this every year, but I 582 00:25:37,394 --> 00:25:40,234 Speaker 1: just look at that category and I'm like, well, I 583 00:25:40,274 --> 00:25:42,194 Speaker 1: think Seth Brogan's probably gonna win for. 584 00:25:42,194 --> 00:25:47,793 Speaker 2: That, especially because Hollywood love movies and TV shows about Hollywood, 585 00:25:47,874 --> 00:25:50,394 Speaker 2: even though the studio really skewers the industry and kind 586 00:25:50,434 --> 00:25:51,474 Speaker 2: of makes fun of it in a way. 587 00:25:51,634 --> 00:25:52,874 Speaker 3: In another way, it is kind. 588 00:25:52,754 --> 00:25:54,434 Speaker 2: Of like a bit of a love letter to Hollywood, 589 00:25:54,474 --> 00:25:56,434 Speaker 2: and there is a whole episode about the Golden Globes 590 00:25:56,474 --> 00:25:58,194 Speaker 2: in that show. So even though there were a few 591 00:25:58,234 --> 00:26:01,714 Speaker 2: people from the studio, like Catherine Hahn who was stumped 592 00:26:01,714 --> 00:26:04,314 Speaker 2: from acting categories, which is just so crazy, I think 593 00:26:04,314 --> 00:26:08,194 Speaker 2: they'll probably have another big run. There also Severance coming 594 00:26:08,274 --> 00:26:10,634 Speaker 2: in with four nominations, and I think it'll do quite well, 595 00:26:10,754 --> 00:26:13,914 Speaker 2: especially because we're not going to see any more Severance 596 00:26:13,994 --> 00:26:17,234 Speaker 2: until twenty twenty seven. They're not even filed, yeah, because 597 00:26:17,234 --> 00:26:19,154 Speaker 2: they're not even trying to film the next season of 598 00:26:19,194 --> 00:26:22,313 Speaker 2: Severance until mid next year, which means it'll need like 599 00:26:22,354 --> 00:26:25,714 Speaker 2: six months production. So it's well over two years away. 600 00:26:25,754 --> 00:26:27,274 Speaker 2: So it's going to be out of the awards race 601 00:26:27,274 --> 00:26:28,834 Speaker 2: for a long time. So I think if they want 602 00:26:28,834 --> 00:26:31,754 Speaker 2: to give Severance some love, it has to be now. 603 00:26:31,794 --> 00:26:34,274 Speaker 2: Who knows what will be happening. I come in two 604 00:26:34,314 --> 00:26:34,874 Speaker 2: years time. 605 00:26:35,114 --> 00:26:37,194 Speaker 1: I do love as well as Sarah Snook in all 606 00:26:37,234 --> 00:26:39,793 Speaker 1: her faults? Was that one I feel we can watch recommendation. 607 00:26:40,154 --> 00:26:42,114 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's really great in that. I mean, we just 608 00:26:42,154 --> 00:26:44,474 Speaker 2: know that the Golden Globes. Love also giving Sarah Silk Awards, 609 00:26:44,474 --> 00:26:45,273 Speaker 2: which I'm okay with. 610 00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:45,954 Speaker 3: I'm time with that. 611 00:26:46,234 --> 00:26:47,874 Speaker 1: I will give her all the awards. I love her. 612 00:26:47,914 --> 00:26:49,594 Speaker 1: I think she's so incredibly talented. 613 00:26:49,994 --> 00:26:51,514 Speaker 3: Yeah, the TV one is wild. 614 00:26:51,554 --> 00:26:53,914 Speaker 2: I guess there's just so much TV to look at, 615 00:26:54,234 --> 00:26:57,834 Speaker 2: and so it's kind of interesting. There's shows like you know, 616 00:26:57,914 --> 00:27:00,674 Speaker 2: White Lotus and The Bear and stuff and Only Murders, 617 00:27:00,954 --> 00:27:03,274 Speaker 2: the shows that are always in the mix and kind 618 00:27:03,314 --> 00:27:05,874 Speaker 2: of just plod along through every awards season. I think 619 00:27:05,874 --> 00:27:08,354 Speaker 2: it's kind of more interesting to at the newcomers that 620 00:27:08,394 --> 00:27:11,073 Speaker 2: they're really lifting up because they're the ones that are 621 00:27:11,074 --> 00:27:13,553 Speaker 2: going to sort of bring them back into people's consciousness. 622 00:27:13,674 --> 00:27:14,513 Speaker 3: So all her. 623 00:27:14,394 --> 00:27:17,273 Speaker 2: Fault, that's done really well. The Beast in Me, I 624 00:27:17,314 --> 00:27:19,034 Speaker 2: think that's got a really good push. 625 00:27:19,074 --> 00:27:20,434 Speaker 3: Pluribus pluribis. 626 00:27:20,474 --> 00:27:23,154 Speaker 1: Yeah, another another weekend. Well, you guys are got your 627 00:27:23,194 --> 00:27:24,194 Speaker 1: finger on the pulse pot. 628 00:27:24,234 --> 00:27:27,234 Speaker 3: I mean, is that job? It is the job. 629 00:27:27,434 --> 00:27:29,394 Speaker 1: The pit also has had quite a few norms. 630 00:27:29,754 --> 00:27:32,273 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess a few surprises with acting. Actually, I 631 00:27:32,274 --> 00:27:34,594 Speaker 2: don't think it's going to come in as heavy this time. 632 00:27:34,634 --> 00:27:36,874 Speaker 2: With some of the other big buzzy shows. A lot 633 00:27:36,914 --> 00:27:40,273 Speaker 2: of really big shows completely shut out, which I was 634 00:27:40,314 --> 00:27:44,114 Speaker 2: really surprised by Alien Earth. Again, sometimes those sci fi 635 00:27:44,154 --> 00:27:46,793 Speaker 2: shows don't get nominated, but this one was one that, 636 00:27:46,954 --> 00:27:50,154 Speaker 2: like it was so expensive to make, it's quite critically acclaimed. 637 00:27:50,514 --> 00:27:52,794 Speaker 2: It was kind of set up to be this next 638 00:27:52,874 --> 00:27:54,834 Speaker 2: kind of like Game of Thrones thing, and even though 639 00:27:54,874 --> 00:27:57,074 Speaker 2: it's successful, it hasn't gone down that path, and I 640 00:27:57,114 --> 00:28:00,714 Speaker 2: think not getting any acting awards has really hurt its chances. 641 00:28:00,994 --> 00:28:03,514 Speaker 2: The Hunting Wives again, that is like cat. 642 00:28:03,594 --> 00:28:04,513 Speaker 3: Into the Golden Globes. 643 00:28:04,514 --> 00:28:07,114 Speaker 2: They wouldn't have had those sexy women up on stage, 644 00:28:07,234 --> 00:28:10,234 Speaker 2: especially because it's got a second season. The Paper, So 645 00:28:10,354 --> 00:28:13,234 Speaker 2: that's the spinoff series of The Office, Oh Yeah, which 646 00:28:13,434 --> 00:28:16,114 Speaker 2: came out so bright and fast and everyone was talking 647 00:28:16,114 --> 00:28:17,834 Speaker 2: about and everyone's like, this is the comedy of the year. 648 00:28:17,834 --> 00:28:19,914 Speaker 2: It's the most beloved comedy and it's such a good 649 00:28:19,994 --> 00:28:22,474 Speaker 2: show if anyone hasn't watched it, but it has not 650 00:28:22,514 --> 00:28:24,394 Speaker 2: really found that critical acclaim. 651 00:28:24,434 --> 00:28:25,634 Speaker 3: It's really fallen off a cliff. 652 00:28:25,634 --> 00:28:29,154 Speaker 1: There is a massive challenge though with television, and I 653 00:28:29,154 --> 00:28:32,834 Speaker 1: think we all know this, the amount of stuff that 654 00:28:32,954 --> 00:28:37,274 Speaker 1: is coming out the it is so high volume and 655 00:28:37,794 --> 00:28:41,594 Speaker 1: things are churned out very very quickly. It's really easy 656 00:28:41,714 --> 00:28:45,234 Speaker 1: to forget one and to get lost in the amount 657 00:28:45,274 --> 00:28:46,994 Speaker 1: of really, really incredible shows. 658 00:28:47,114 --> 00:28:47,474 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 659 00:28:47,514 --> 00:28:49,274 Speaker 2: And there's so many people being left out, as we said, 660 00:28:49,354 --> 00:28:51,754 Speaker 2: like some of the studios, so Ike, Baron Holtz, Chase, 661 00:28:51,794 --> 00:28:54,474 Speaker 2: Sue Wonders. That was a huge kind of miss for me. 662 00:28:54,994 --> 00:28:57,554 Speaker 2: Dakota Fanning, for all her fault I thought she would 663 00:28:57,634 --> 00:28:59,874 Speaker 2: really be up in the mix with how critically acclaimed 664 00:28:59,874 --> 00:29:03,674 Speaker 2: that show is and how successful she is. Also The 665 00:29:03,674 --> 00:29:06,954 Speaker 2: Morning Show, Jennifer Aniston, Reese Witherspoon, you'd think that just 666 00:29:06,994 --> 00:29:09,194 Speaker 2: like their names alone and the fact that they're making 667 00:29:09,194 --> 00:29:11,714 Speaker 2: this critically acclaimed TV show would really put them in 668 00:29:11,754 --> 00:29:12,114 Speaker 2: the mix. 669 00:29:12,274 --> 00:29:15,634 Speaker 1: I feel as though because it had such a strong start, 670 00:29:15,794 --> 00:29:18,114 Speaker 1: it has dropped off a little bit, kind of the 671 00:29:18,194 --> 00:29:20,234 Speaker 1: reverse of Only Moders. I mean, I know Only Murders 672 00:29:20,274 --> 00:29:22,754 Speaker 1: has been quite popular, but I feel like The Morning Show, 673 00:29:22,834 --> 00:29:24,794 Speaker 1: and this is me as a view of The Morning Show. 674 00:29:24,834 --> 00:29:27,314 Speaker 1: I loved season one and season two, like I really 675 00:29:27,434 --> 00:29:29,674 Speaker 1: enjoyed it to start with. It's kind of lost me. 676 00:29:29,994 --> 00:29:32,354 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting with just with the star power, and 677 00:29:32,394 --> 00:29:34,994 Speaker 2: again it is so critically acclaimed, like so many critics 678 00:29:34,994 --> 00:29:36,954 Speaker 2: who I know this is not who critics are voting for, 679 00:29:37,074 --> 00:29:39,634 Speaker 2: but and it's like a different metric, but it's also 680 00:29:39,754 --> 00:29:43,634 Speaker 2: like their movie star status with normally for the Golden Globes, 681 00:29:43,714 --> 00:29:45,954 Speaker 2: get them in the room. One that I quite liked 682 00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:49,754 Speaker 2: was Meegan Faihei for Sirens. Sirens not a great show. 683 00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,114 Speaker 2: She's just really great in it. 684 00:29:52,114 --> 00:29:55,114 Speaker 1: It was a funny show because I'm very forgettable. It 685 00:29:55,274 --> 00:29:57,914 Speaker 1: is forgettable. It kind of it's in that same white 686 00:29:57,994 --> 00:30:00,914 Speaker 1: loaded to See Big Little lies like, it's in that 687 00:30:00,954 --> 00:30:02,034 Speaker 1: same genre. 688 00:30:02,434 --> 00:30:05,474 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's more a career non for her. Yeah, 689 00:30:05,514 --> 00:30:07,754 Speaker 2: in terms of like we just love her as an actress. 690 00:30:07,754 --> 00:30:10,314 Speaker 2: We like everything she's in. She was kind of the 691 00:30:10,394 --> 00:30:13,154 Speaker 2: standout part of that show. So yeah, we'll drop her 692 00:30:13,194 --> 00:30:13,434 Speaker 2: in there. 693 00:30:13,474 --> 00:30:15,634 Speaker 1: Should we move on to movies. Should we start with Wicked? 694 00:30:16,034 --> 00:30:19,514 Speaker 2: Yeah, Wicked and interesting one So John and two shut 695 00:30:19,514 --> 00:30:23,754 Speaker 2: out of the director's category, Wicked out of the Best 696 00:30:23,874 --> 00:30:27,114 Speaker 2: Musical Comedy category as a movie, which is quite huge. 697 00:30:27,154 --> 00:30:28,914 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are saying today that 698 00:30:28,954 --> 00:30:31,434 Speaker 2: if you saw the movie then you would understand why, 699 00:30:31,674 --> 00:30:33,274 Speaker 2: And I know a lot of people didn't like it 700 00:30:33,314 --> 00:30:35,674 Speaker 2: as much, but it is still one of the biggest 701 00:30:35,714 --> 00:30:37,594 Speaker 2: movies of the Year, so for it not to be 702 00:30:37,674 --> 00:30:40,314 Speaker 2: nominated here again, different people vote in the Oscars. I 703 00:30:40,314 --> 00:30:42,714 Speaker 2: do think it will sneak through the Oscars, but it 704 00:30:42,754 --> 00:30:44,314 Speaker 2: has quite heard its chances. 705 00:30:44,594 --> 00:30:48,514 Speaker 1: Both original songs made it in to the nominations, so 706 00:30:49,274 --> 00:30:52,994 Speaker 1: which actually did surprise me a little bit, both of them, 707 00:30:53,394 --> 00:30:55,394 Speaker 1: so the other both. 708 00:30:55,194 --> 00:30:56,874 Speaker 2: Of them are going to make it through to the Oscars. 709 00:30:56,874 --> 00:30:58,714 Speaker 2: To be honest, I think On the Bubble will make 710 00:30:58,754 --> 00:30:59,674 Speaker 2: it through maybe. 711 00:30:59,834 --> 00:31:02,914 Speaker 1: I think in the Best Original Song category, I do 712 00:31:02,994 --> 00:31:04,954 Speaker 1: think that we're also going to have another K pop 713 00:31:05,034 --> 00:31:06,714 Speaker 1: David Hunter's sweep on that. 714 00:31:06,634 --> 00:31:08,994 Speaker 2: Particularly, okay with them to win that category, that's a 715 00:31:08,994 --> 00:31:09,434 Speaker 2: great song. 716 00:31:09,474 --> 00:31:11,154 Speaker 1: I think it's We've said this before, but I think 717 00:31:11,154 --> 00:31:13,674 Speaker 1: it's a wonderful, wonderful song. I think the Miley Cyrus 718 00:31:13,674 --> 00:31:16,794 Speaker 1: one is still a little bit too new to make 719 00:31:16,794 --> 00:31:19,514 Speaker 1: that impact. But then you know, wicked, I think you know, 720 00:31:19,594 --> 00:31:22,714 Speaker 1: we've still got Cynthia and Arianna getting nominated in their 721 00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:24,034 Speaker 1: respective categories. 722 00:31:24,234 --> 00:31:26,394 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ariana might win. 723 00:31:26,554 --> 00:31:28,874 Speaker 2: I'm actually, to be honest, getting a little worried for Cyntha. 724 00:31:29,034 --> 00:31:32,874 Speaker 2: Rivo's Oscar chances and the Golden Globes will be really 725 00:31:33,034 --> 00:31:35,314 Speaker 2: make or break for her. She wasn't nominated in the 726 00:31:35,314 --> 00:31:38,234 Speaker 2: Critics Awards, which is quite a huge snub. 727 00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:38,954 Speaker 3: Golden Globe. 728 00:31:39,034 --> 00:31:41,434 Speaker 2: She actually made history as the first black woman to 729 00:31:41,474 --> 00:31:45,714 Speaker 2: earn two Lead Actress nominations in the Comedy category back 730 00:31:45,754 --> 00:31:47,834 Speaker 2: to back, So like that is huge. So she's making 731 00:31:47,954 --> 00:31:51,074 Speaker 2: history there. It's getting a little bit dicey if she's 732 00:31:51,114 --> 00:31:54,434 Speaker 2: going to get in now to the Best Actress Oscar Race. 733 00:31:54,674 --> 00:31:57,354 Speaker 2: And the thing is, she is someone who almost really 734 00:31:57,394 --> 00:32:01,034 Speaker 2: needs to win this Golden Globe to cement her chances. Again, 735 00:32:01,074 --> 00:32:03,914 Speaker 2: it's different voting bodies, but it's really important to remember 736 00:32:03,914 --> 00:32:08,274 Speaker 2: that the Golden Globes airs just before the Oscar ballots 737 00:32:08,434 --> 00:32:11,234 Speaker 2: open to be voted in. So if you win a 738 00:32:11,234 --> 00:32:13,354 Speaker 2: Golden Globe and you get up on stage and you 739 00:32:13,434 --> 00:32:15,874 Speaker 2: knock it out of the park with your speech and 740 00:32:15,914 --> 00:32:18,154 Speaker 2: your front of mine, like Demi Moore did last year, 741 00:32:18,194 --> 00:32:20,034 Speaker 2: she got up, she won the Golden Globe, she got 742 00:32:20,114 --> 00:32:22,794 Speaker 2: up on stage, she gave an incredible speech about her 743 00:32:22,834 --> 00:32:25,354 Speaker 2: career in the industry, and she didn't end up winning, 744 00:32:25,474 --> 00:32:27,834 Speaker 2: but that propelled her to the front of the Oscars race. 745 00:32:28,114 --> 00:32:30,674 Speaker 2: And I think Cynthia Arrivo is like kind of falling 746 00:32:30,674 --> 00:32:32,674 Speaker 2: out of people's minds a bit, so a win for 747 00:32:32,714 --> 00:32:36,434 Speaker 2: her and a good speech would not really put her 748 00:32:36,474 --> 00:32:37,954 Speaker 2: over the line, I think because I am getting a 749 00:32:37,954 --> 00:32:40,554 Speaker 2: little bit worried about her chances. I don't know if 750 00:32:40,554 --> 00:32:42,474 Speaker 2: she's sort of gonna how she's going to go in 751 00:32:42,514 --> 00:32:45,514 Speaker 2: the actual category because the other people she's against so 752 00:32:45,634 --> 00:32:48,194 Speaker 2: best performance by an actress in a musical or comedy 753 00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:51,114 Speaker 2: rose Byrn if I had legs, i'd kick you. I 754 00:32:51,114 --> 00:32:53,314 Speaker 2: think she's probably gonna get an Oscar Onto like, she's 755 00:32:53,394 --> 00:32:56,554 Speaker 2: really hard to meet this year Kate Hudson song Sung Blue. 756 00:32:56,754 --> 00:32:59,714 Speaker 2: I think again, she's kind of like hit or miss 757 00:32:59,834 --> 00:33:02,594 Speaker 2: Chase Infinity, one bettle after another, I think she's the 758 00:33:02,594 --> 00:33:03,194 Speaker 2: one to beat. 759 00:33:03,434 --> 00:33:06,354 Speaker 1: I think me too, Chasing and particularly because one battle 760 00:33:06,354 --> 00:33:09,794 Speaker 1: after another has really swept a lot of the categories 761 00:33:10,194 --> 00:33:13,794 Speaker 1: has been so so critically acclaimed, and then you know 762 00:33:13,794 --> 00:33:16,314 Speaker 1: we've obviously got Emmastone and Bogonia, which I think there's 763 00:33:16,354 --> 00:33:17,554 Speaker 1: been a huge push for. 764 00:33:17,474 --> 00:33:20,114 Speaker 2: Emmastone, and you can again, she's a double Oscar winner. 765 00:33:20,154 --> 00:33:22,434 Speaker 2: You can never really count her out. I think this year, though, 766 00:33:22,674 --> 00:33:25,074 Speaker 2: Rosebyrne and Chase Infinity are going to be the ones 767 00:33:25,074 --> 00:33:27,954 Speaker 2: to kind of move things around there and Emma Stone Will. 768 00:33:27,994 --> 00:33:29,794 Speaker 2: I think she'll be nominated for everything, but I don't 769 00:33:29,794 --> 00:33:31,394 Speaker 2: think she's going to have a big win. And then 770 00:33:31,434 --> 00:33:34,354 Speaker 2: you've also got Amanda Seyfred for the Testaments of Anley, 771 00:33:34,514 --> 00:33:36,954 Speaker 2: which again I don't think that's going to be the 772 00:33:37,034 --> 00:33:40,394 Speaker 2: hugest Awards contender there, but again really pushing her into 773 00:33:40,434 --> 00:33:40,794 Speaker 2: the mix. 774 00:33:40,994 --> 00:33:45,394 Speaker 1: Now, we did get a nomination for The Rocko. Dwayne 775 00:33:45,434 --> 00:33:48,954 Speaker 1: the Rock Johnson got his nomination, which we knew he 776 00:33:48,994 --> 00:33:52,714 Speaker 1: was hunting for, and I'm actually just so happy for him. 777 00:33:52,954 --> 00:33:55,394 Speaker 2: All he wanted with that movie was some critical acclaim. 778 00:33:55,474 --> 00:33:56,874 Speaker 2: So again I don't think he's going to make it 779 00:33:56,914 --> 00:33:58,434 Speaker 2: to the Oscars, but I'm sure he'll be happy to 780 00:33:58,434 --> 00:33:59,794 Speaker 2: be in the room at the Golden Globes. 781 00:33:59,954 --> 00:34:00,674 Speaker 3: We've also got. 782 00:34:00,634 --> 00:34:04,714 Speaker 2: Joel Edgerton Train Dreams, Oscar, Isaac for Frankenstein, Michael B. 783 00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:06,794 Speaker 2: Jordan for Sinners, which he is the one. It's not 784 00:34:06,794 --> 00:34:08,953 Speaker 2: just I think he's hot, although that Potner should be 785 00:34:08,953 --> 00:34:12,033 Speaker 2: rewarded too. I always say that he's incredible in that role. 786 00:34:12,074 --> 00:34:15,033 Speaker 2: He plays two league characters. Again, if it wasn't for 787 00:34:15,074 --> 00:34:17,594 Speaker 2: the vampire thing, he would be winning an Oscar. Jeremy 788 00:34:17,594 --> 00:34:19,154 Speaker 2: Allen White first Springsteen. 789 00:34:19,394 --> 00:34:20,554 Speaker 3: To me, that's. 790 00:34:20,594 --> 00:34:24,154 Speaker 2: Nomination doesn't deserve to be there. Springsteen wasn't great and 791 00:34:24,194 --> 00:34:25,314 Speaker 2: it didn't really get any traction. 792 00:34:25,554 --> 00:34:28,114 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not really doing anything for me. But yeah, 793 00:34:28,354 --> 00:34:31,834 Speaker 1: I would say we're probably looking at Michael beaej Ordan 794 00:34:31,914 --> 00:34:32,634 Speaker 1: for that category. 795 00:34:32,794 --> 00:34:34,834 Speaker 2: Yeah, whether it takes him to the Oscars will be 796 00:34:35,154 --> 00:34:38,114 Speaker 2: something else to sort of see about. Okay, Best Actress 797 00:34:38,154 --> 00:34:41,033 Speaker 2: by a Female Actor Drama. This is where things get 798 00:34:41,274 --> 00:34:44,674 Speaker 2: very very intense. Because Tessa Thompson for Header We've got 799 00:34:44,714 --> 00:34:47,234 Speaker 2: in there, which I was really excited about because she's 800 00:34:47,234 --> 00:34:50,114 Speaker 2: great in that, even Victor for Sorry Baby. I think 801 00:34:50,154 --> 00:34:52,034 Speaker 2: she was sort of like a bit of a surprise 802 00:34:52,114 --> 00:34:55,074 Speaker 2: swing in there that people are excited about. Julia Roberts 803 00:34:55,074 --> 00:34:58,154 Speaker 2: for After the Hunt, She's okay in that. That movie 804 00:34:58,154 --> 00:34:59,274 Speaker 2: didn't really get a lot of traction. 805 00:34:59,474 --> 00:35:02,154 Speaker 1: I would say, because if you look at this category, 806 00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:05,834 Speaker 1: this is our big, serious category. Something I've really noticed 807 00:35:05,914 --> 00:35:09,674 Speaker 1: is how many smaller actss have been pushed into these 808 00:35:09,714 --> 00:35:12,594 Speaker 1: really strong categories. Yeah, because if you look at this, 809 00:35:12,674 --> 00:35:17,034 Speaker 1: we've got Jesse Buckley, Jennifer Lawrence, obviously very famous, Renata Rensveay, 810 00:35:17,594 --> 00:35:21,994 Speaker 1: Julie Roberts, famous, Tessa Thompson and Eva Victor. Only two 811 00:35:22,194 --> 00:35:25,474 Speaker 1: people in that category I would say, are really massive 812 00:35:25,474 --> 00:35:26,594 Speaker 1: A listers. 813 00:35:26,914 --> 00:35:30,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's interesting because, yeah, Jennifer Lawrence Die My Love. 814 00:35:30,394 --> 00:35:32,274 Speaker 2: I think that when that movie came out, there was 815 00:35:32,354 --> 00:35:34,754 Speaker 2: a big kind of push that she would really be 816 00:35:34,794 --> 00:35:37,754 Speaker 2: in the Oscars race. Potentially she could win the Golden Globe. 817 00:35:37,754 --> 00:35:38,073 Speaker 3: I don't. 818 00:35:38,074 --> 00:35:40,794 Speaker 2: I think her and rose Byrn, just because they're both 819 00:35:40,794 --> 00:35:43,034 Speaker 2: in movies about like the trauma of motherhood and like 820 00:35:43,074 --> 00:35:45,074 Speaker 2: God forbid, we have two movies about that in the 821 00:35:45,074 --> 00:35:47,714 Speaker 2: Oscars race, the men won't like that. I think Rosebyrn 822 00:35:47,754 --> 00:35:49,873 Speaker 2: will kind of edge her out. I've got to say 823 00:35:50,274 --> 00:35:53,634 Speaker 2: Jesse Buckley and Hamnet for me is the standout winner, 824 00:35:53,714 --> 00:35:55,234 Speaker 2: Like she has to win the Oscar. 825 00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:57,354 Speaker 1: So you just saw that this week. I saw this 826 00:35:57,394 --> 00:36:00,794 Speaker 1: has been very very hyped up, definitely one of our 827 00:36:00,794 --> 00:36:04,234 Speaker 1: Pixtus sort of watch over this Christmas period. What is 828 00:36:04,274 --> 00:36:08,234 Speaker 1: it about her performance that was so she's just ripping. 829 00:36:08,434 --> 00:36:13,474 Speaker 2: So raw and emotional and just like physical and just 830 00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:15,754 Speaker 2: everything about it. And I know people will talk about 831 00:36:15,754 --> 00:36:17,474 Speaker 2: Paul mescal and he was good in it too, but 832 00:36:17,594 --> 00:36:20,593 Speaker 2: like it's her movie and her performance carries it through. 833 00:36:20,834 --> 00:36:22,714 Speaker 2: And I think she's been someone who should have, as 834 00:36:22,754 --> 00:36:24,474 Speaker 2: I said before, she should have won an Oscar before this, 835 00:36:24,474 --> 00:36:26,074 Speaker 2: because she's had a lot of stand out roles. But 836 00:36:26,114 --> 00:36:27,554 Speaker 2: the thing is, you could wipe that all the way. 837 00:36:27,634 --> 00:36:31,274 Speaker 2: And Hamnet is just this incredible story of like love 838 00:36:31,354 --> 00:36:33,954 Speaker 2: and grief and and like you just see this whole 839 00:36:34,314 --> 00:36:36,754 Speaker 2: gambit of emotions that she goes through, and the whole 840 00:36:36,754 --> 00:36:38,913 Speaker 2: like emotional crux at the end of the movie is 841 00:36:38,954 --> 00:36:41,114 Speaker 2: literally on her face, just the camera on her face, 842 00:36:41,154 --> 00:36:42,873 Speaker 2: and her face does all the work to take you 843 00:36:42,914 --> 00:36:45,354 Speaker 2: through all these different emotions and tell you how the 844 00:36:45,394 --> 00:36:48,154 Speaker 2: story ends. And I was like, God, that's hard. God, 845 00:36:48,154 --> 00:36:50,474 Speaker 2: that's hard to tell an entire story. And like movies 846 00:36:50,554 --> 00:36:54,074 Speaker 2: usually have this huge emotional ending that's special effects or 847 00:36:54,114 --> 00:36:55,714 Speaker 2: like a plot twist and stuff. And to have the 848 00:36:55,794 --> 00:36:57,993 Speaker 2: movie sent her on the emotion of a woman's face 849 00:36:57,994 --> 00:37:00,274 Speaker 2: and have that be like the big hook out of 850 00:37:00,274 --> 00:37:01,954 Speaker 2: this world, I think, just give her, give her the 851 00:37:01,954 --> 00:37:02,473 Speaker 2: Oscar now. 852 00:37:02,634 --> 00:37:04,834 Speaker 1: So Jacob Balordi has been nominated twice. 853 00:37:04,994 --> 00:37:06,953 Speaker 3: Okay, well he has to be laughing that, yeah, he. 854 00:37:07,154 --> 00:37:09,274 Speaker 1: And I mean I love that for him. I know 855 00:37:09,354 --> 00:37:10,873 Speaker 1: he's like a pretty big star, but I still can 856 00:37:10,914 --> 00:37:14,114 Speaker 1: always get really excited, you know, gets up there. And 857 00:37:14,114 --> 00:37:16,834 Speaker 1: obviously he did very very well in Frankenstein, and then 858 00:37:16,874 --> 00:37:21,114 Speaker 1: he was also nominated in a limited series, The Narrow 859 00:37:21,194 --> 00:37:22,033 Speaker 1: Road to the Deep Norse. 860 00:37:22,154 --> 00:37:24,834 Speaker 2: He's really good, He's really good in that. I would 861 00:37:24,834 --> 00:37:26,794 Speaker 2: actually be happy for him. Actually, I would be more 862 00:37:26,794 --> 00:37:29,434 Speaker 2: happy that that series as a whole to win more awards. 863 00:37:29,554 --> 00:37:31,993 Speaker 2: But I think he's stronger in that than Frankenstein, even 864 00:37:31,994 --> 00:37:33,674 Speaker 2: though he was really good in that. So yeah, the 865 00:37:33,754 --> 00:37:36,954 Speaker 2: drama category kind of that's Frankenstein is nominated in that, 866 00:37:37,034 --> 00:37:39,634 Speaker 2: so that's a Netflix production. Hamnet is in there. It 867 00:37:39,714 --> 00:37:43,474 Speaker 2: was just an accident, the secret Agent, Sentimental value, and Sinners. 868 00:37:43,834 --> 00:37:47,033 Speaker 2: It'll be interesting how that category swings, but I do 869 00:37:47,074 --> 00:37:49,994 Speaker 2: think just from what I've seen, Hamnet, I guess is 870 00:37:50,034 --> 00:37:52,714 Speaker 2: going to be the one. But also I mean maybe 871 00:37:52,754 --> 00:37:55,994 Speaker 2: sinners just because it's a different voting category to the 872 00:37:55,994 --> 00:37:58,874 Speaker 2: Oscars and they're a bit more serious. And then musical comedy, 873 00:37:58,914 --> 00:38:03,873 Speaker 2: we've got Blue Moon, Bogonia, Marty Supreme, Marty Supreme Incredible. 874 00:38:03,954 --> 00:38:06,794 Speaker 2: I think that'll be a really strong Awards contender. And 875 00:38:06,834 --> 00:38:09,034 Speaker 2: then also on that category we've got no other choice 876 00:38:09,234 --> 00:38:12,594 Speaker 2: Nouvelle Vague, and of course one battle after another, which 877 00:38:12,634 --> 00:38:14,674 Speaker 2: again is probably going to sweep a lot of categories. 878 00:38:14,954 --> 00:38:15,154 Speaker 3: Yeah. 879 00:38:15,194 --> 00:38:17,034 Speaker 1: So there's two new categories. One of them is a 880 00:38:17,034 --> 00:38:19,354 Speaker 1: podcast category, but the first other one is Cinematic and 881 00:38:19,354 --> 00:38:23,234 Speaker 1: box Office Achievement. This category, I think is probably more 882 00:38:23,274 --> 00:38:27,114 Speaker 1: to Panda to Hollywood's need that look how well you've 883 00:38:27,114 --> 00:38:30,554 Speaker 1: done selling numbers. Abata Fire and Ash's nominated in this 884 00:38:30,634 --> 00:38:32,473 Speaker 1: category and it has not been released yet. 885 00:38:32,794 --> 00:38:35,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's the pre box office numbers, 886 00:38:35,434 --> 00:38:38,114 Speaker 2: pre ticket sales and everything will really because yeah, it's 887 00:38:38,114 --> 00:38:39,434 Speaker 2: going to be a bit of Wicked could. 888 00:38:39,274 --> 00:38:41,473 Speaker 3: Take it out. But also Zotopia two's in the mix, 889 00:38:41,594 --> 00:38:42,074 Speaker 3: like I mean, K. 890 00:38:42,114 --> 00:38:45,234 Speaker 2: Pop Demon Hunter's got nominated in the True So yeah, 891 00:38:45,234 --> 00:38:47,513 Speaker 2: that's always interesting. One. That's just a way to get 892 00:38:47,514 --> 00:38:49,354 Speaker 2: all the big stars there who weren't nominated for the 893 00:38:49,354 --> 00:38:52,314 Speaker 2: Critical Awards. Yeah, and so this's a third year of it, 894 00:38:52,314 --> 00:38:54,234 Speaker 2: I think, so Barbie run it the first year. Wicked 895 00:38:54,274 --> 00:38:56,554 Speaker 2: won at last year, so it'll be kind of interesting. 896 00:38:56,634 --> 00:38:58,914 Speaker 2: We'll know beforehand because it's numbers based. 897 00:38:58,994 --> 00:38:59,274 Speaker 1: Yeah. 898 00:38:59,314 --> 00:39:01,714 Speaker 2: But yeah, the Podcast Awards, this is the first year 899 00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:03,873 Speaker 2: they've had a Golden Globe for Best Podcast, which is. 900 00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:06,674 Speaker 1: Wild Okay, So let me just tell you the nominations 901 00:39:06,794 --> 00:39:09,074 Speaker 1: in this category and we can kind of unpack it 902 00:39:09,114 --> 00:39:11,274 Speaker 1: a bit, because I was why I found it strange 903 00:39:11,274 --> 00:39:13,393 Speaker 1: to do podcasts in it, because this is television and film. 904 00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:17,074 Speaker 1: I understand podcasts is a big medium and people should 905 00:39:17,074 --> 00:39:19,314 Speaker 1: be honored for it and the good work has been done. 906 00:39:19,514 --> 00:39:22,394 Speaker 1: So best podcast I'm Chair Expert with Dark shepperd Cala, 907 00:39:22,474 --> 00:39:25,434 Speaker 1: Daddy Good Hang with Amy Pohler, The Mel Robins podcast Smitelist, 908 00:39:25,554 --> 00:39:28,354 Speaker 1: and Up First from NPR. Those are all just basically 909 00:39:28,474 --> 00:39:29,834 Speaker 1: celebrity interview ones. 910 00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:33,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, the podcast one has been really contentious. 911 00:39:33,754 --> 00:39:36,154 Speaker 2: A lot of people are upper armsday because podcasts like 912 00:39:36,474 --> 00:39:39,994 Speaker 2: The Joe Rogan Experience is not nominated, and there's a 913 00:39:39,994 --> 00:39:43,034 Speaker 2: few other like really big, more political based shows, especially 914 00:39:43,074 --> 00:39:44,634 Speaker 2: some that lean a bit more to like the right 915 00:39:44,674 --> 00:39:48,073 Speaker 2: side of politics. On that I would say, like, I mean, yes, 916 00:39:48,274 --> 00:39:50,514 Speaker 2: like there is like a genre of podcast is obviously 917 00:39:50,554 --> 00:39:53,474 Speaker 2: not in there. But this is not a voting platform 918 00:39:53,514 --> 00:39:56,594 Speaker 2: for numbers movies and TV shows like what we like 919 00:39:56,634 --> 00:39:58,514 Speaker 2: and what we don't like. It's subjective, like it's a 920 00:39:58,514 --> 00:40:00,634 Speaker 2: group of people who are deciding what they like to watch. 921 00:40:00,914 --> 00:40:03,354 Speaker 2: Podcasts are a little bit the same. It's a group 922 00:40:03,394 --> 00:40:05,474 Speaker 2: of people who are voting for the podcast they like. 923 00:40:05,794 --> 00:40:08,234 Speaker 2: And yes, in this case, they've gone for podcasts that 924 00:40:08,314 --> 00:40:11,473 Speaker 2: are very celebrity based. They're people who were really big 925 00:40:11,474 --> 00:40:13,754 Speaker 2: in the entertainment industry for acting and now have gone 926 00:40:13,834 --> 00:40:16,714 Speaker 2: more into podcasting, and I think it is a way 927 00:40:16,794 --> 00:40:18,513 Speaker 2: just to kind of meet the fans where they are. 928 00:40:18,954 --> 00:40:22,034 Speaker 2: At the same time, I also agree that it's unnecessary. 929 00:40:22,114 --> 00:40:25,114 Speaker 1: It's a really unnecessary seric category. It does feel like 930 00:40:25,154 --> 00:40:29,114 Speaker 1: a little bit like again, pandering to just celebrities who 931 00:40:29,154 --> 00:40:32,394 Speaker 1: want to get honored. I mean, I really like SmartLess 932 00:40:32,434 --> 00:40:34,393 Speaker 1: as a podcast. I think it's great. I think they 933 00:40:34,474 --> 00:40:36,594 Speaker 1: have a they're a great trio. Good hanging with Amy 934 00:40:36,594 --> 00:40:39,553 Speaker 1: Poler I think is good. But I just feel like one, 935 00:40:39,594 --> 00:40:41,314 Speaker 1: I don't think the category should be in there at all. 936 00:40:41,394 --> 00:40:43,714 Speaker 1: I think there's like, if we're going to start honoring podcasts, 937 00:40:43,794 --> 00:40:47,194 Speaker 1: let's let's move it to something different. I don't think 938 00:40:47,194 --> 00:40:50,033 Speaker 1: it belongs with the Golden Globes, and I would say 939 00:40:50,034 --> 00:40:51,914 Speaker 1: podcast works more at the Grammys. 940 00:40:52,234 --> 00:40:54,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, as a listening experience rather than a TV kind 941 00:40:54,674 --> 00:40:56,754 Speaker 2: of film thing. I do think Amy Pohl is probably 942 00:40:56,794 --> 00:40:58,434 Speaker 2: going to take it out, which is kind of interesting. 943 00:40:58,474 --> 00:41:00,394 Speaker 2: She's got such a long history with the Golden Globe. 944 00:41:00,434 --> 00:41:03,714 Speaker 2: She's so beloved all the smartlest guys. But yeah, it'll 945 00:41:03,754 --> 00:41:05,874 Speaker 2: be interesting. It does feel like it's kind of swinging 946 00:41:05,874 --> 00:41:08,594 Speaker 2: the focus. But also podcast are the biggest growing entertainment 947 00:41:08,634 --> 00:41:10,314 Speaker 2: section in the world, so I think if they're trying 948 00:41:10,314 --> 00:41:12,354 Speaker 2: to be relevant, they're trying to lean into that. 949 00:41:12,714 --> 00:41:14,913 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is the start of the campaign to 950 00:41:14,914 --> 00:41:16,674 Speaker 1: get the Spill nominated for next year. 951 00:41:17,474 --> 00:41:18,834 Speaker 3: Yes, I just want to go and back the party. 952 00:41:18,834 --> 00:41:19,874 Speaker 3: I don't have to be nominated. 953 00:41:20,234 --> 00:41:24,154 Speaker 2: So the Golden Globes are going to air Sunday, Jan eleventh, 954 00:41:24,194 --> 00:41:25,993 Speaker 2: So we've got a huge build up. We'll be back 955 00:41:25,994 --> 00:41:28,114 Speaker 2: from our holidays and like ready and wearing to go 956 00:41:28,194 --> 00:41:29,993 Speaker 2: to be our first big award show of the year. 957 00:41:30,434 --> 00:41:31,714 Speaker 3: Can't wait. Very excited. 958 00:41:32,114 --> 00:41:34,314 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to this Spill today. Guys. Now, 959 00:41:34,434 --> 00:41:36,554 Speaker 1: I know you guys are tired. It's been a year. 960 00:41:36,914 --> 00:41:40,154 Speaker 1: I'm tired. We're tired. But the Christmas break is almost 961 00:41:40,194 --> 00:41:42,834 Speaker 1: here and Mama Mea wants to give you something to 962 00:41:42,874 --> 00:41:45,873 Speaker 1: look forward to in twenty twenty six. So we are 963 00:41:45,874 --> 00:41:48,274 Speaker 1: going to be giving away the Ultimate cruise holiday for 964 00:41:48,314 --> 00:41:51,794 Speaker 1: two in an ocean view room. Now. 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