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Speaker 3: I'm Grace Ruerey filling in for Claire Murphy. This is

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Speaker 3: Muma MEA's twice daily news podcast, The Quickie. Taylor Swift

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Speaker 3: is undeniably one of the most influential artists of our time,

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Speaker 3: perhaps even of all time. With sold out stadiums, fourteen

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Speaker 3: US presidential debate, has Taylor Swift just flexed her power

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Speaker 3: to the full extent? Could a single social media post

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Speaker 3: actually sway an election? Today on The Quickie, we're catching

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Speaker 3: up on everything that's happened since Taylor Swift publicly endorsed

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris and Tim Walls and let's just say it's

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Speaker 3: been eventful. But before we do that, here's the latest

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Speaker 3: from the Quickie newsroom. Thursday, September nineteenth, the United Nations

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Speaker 3: General Assembly has adopted a Palestinian drafted resolution that demands

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Speaker 3: within twelve months. The resolution received one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: four votes in favor, while forty three countries, including Australia,

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Speaker 3: Abstained and Israel, the United States, and twelve others voted no.

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Speaker 3: The resolution endorses a July advisory opinion by the International

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Speaker 3: sets a twelvemonth deadline. While the ICJ opinion and the

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Speaker 3: resolution are non binding, both hold significant political weight and

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Speaker 3: could undermine support for Israel under international law. Unsolved murders

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift's latest political move has garnered quite the response

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Speaker 3: Following a second attempted assassination on Republican nominee Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and

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Speaker 3: The Internet obviously exploded moments after Taylor Swift's post. Both

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Speaker 2: Your reaction for Taylor's list endorsay not Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea well, Tim Walls told live on

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Speaker 2: I am incredibly grateful, first of all, to Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 2: I say that also as a cat owner, a fellow

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Speaker 2: That was eloquent, and it was cleared.

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Speaker 3: Then for reasons unclear, Elon Musk jumped into the conversation, declaring.

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Speaker 2: Fine, Taylor, you with I'll give you a child and

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Speaker 3: A day later, Donald Trump warned that Taylor Swift may

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Speaker 3: pay a price for endorsing Kamala Harris, while his VP

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Speaker 3: candidate JD Vance criticized celebrity endorsements, which is ironic given

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift's post, with Swift inspired merchandise and friendship bracelets

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Speaker 3: rolling out Kamala's campaign headquarters, as even quoting swift lyrics

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Speaker 3: Swift on social media. He did receive a celebrity endorsement

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Speaker 3: Nicki Jam tried to laugh it off on an Instagram post,

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Speaker 3: politics are blending like never before, we have Foreign Policy

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Speaker 3: Magazines Deputy editor Amelia Lester to break down where these

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Speaker 3: campaign trail. Amelia, Now, this whole Taylor Swift thing kicked

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people have been calling this the first AI election,

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Speaker 2: They included images of Swift's face as well as sort

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Speaker 3: So no artists like being used in AI and their

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Speaker 3: Tim Walls. In our previous conversations on the Quickie and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of people, including me, were

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Speaker 2: Oh? Unquestionably. And the other thing about American politics is

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Speaker 2: But like I say, this is a largely untapped group

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Speaker 3: So just this week there was a second attempted assassination

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Speaker 3: The actions of two in viduals can't summ up the

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that you ask that, because I know that

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Speaker 3: Are there plans in place that if either presidential candidate

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Speaker 2: I don't think there are plans in place. I think

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Speaker 3: So Donald Trump has defended his affiliation with Laura Luma,

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Speaker 3: Could you explain who Laura Luma is and why potentially

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Speaker 2: Well, I was really hoping to set out the Laura

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Speaker 2: So it turns out she's this thirty one year old

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Speaker 3: Lastly, I'm scared to ask this question, but what is

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Speaker 2: So there's been a question about whether Trump's going to

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Speaker 3: Well, while we patiently wait for the next part of

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Speaker 3: We've previously spoken to Amelia about everything from understanding Project

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Speaker 3: all of those episodes in the show notes. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: This episode of The Quikie is produced by me Grace

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Speaker 3: Rufray and our senior producer Taylor Strano, with audio production

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Speaker 3: by Tom Lyon.