WEBVTT - The Hollywood Star Who Hates Everyone 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.280 Hello, and welcome to MoMA Mia out loud. It's what 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:06.640 women are actually talking about on Wednesday, the eighth of April. 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:08.520 I'm Holly Waynwright, I'm. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:10.520 Amelia Leicester and I'm Kles Stevens. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:15.640 First time we have gathered since the Long weekend. Yeah, yes, fine, 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:17.160 it was. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:20.080 It was eventful and in terms of the. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:25.919 World, in terms of the world and chocolate. Here's what's 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:30.320 made our agenda for today. A Hollywood elder has unloaded 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:34.640 his unflattering opinions on everyone from Margot Robbie to Johnny 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.800 Depp and we want to know where are where are 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:38.840 the grumpy old women? 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:44.920 Plus Donald Trump keeps saying horrifying things, But we might 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:46.920 have a bit of an antidote for you. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.440 And the rumor mill is on fire with Taylor and 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.880 Travis's wedding plans. But what's true and more importantly, what 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:57.280 do we think is true? 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:03.720 Some predictions, yes, some random and rogue predictions. But first, 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.640 Savannah Guthrie went back to work this week. She's the 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.120 Australian born American TV host. She hosts The Today Show 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:15.480 in the US, and her mother disappeared in really shocking 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:21.200 and distressing circumstances several months ago now and now Savannah 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.160 has finally gone back to work. 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:24.280 She said. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.040 She sat down at the desk and she said, here 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.080 we go, ready or not, Let's do the news. She 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:31.560 was wearing yellow, which is generally seen to be a 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.280 symbol of, you know, waiting for missing people. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:34.600 To come back. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.039 Her co hosts were wearing yellow ribbons, which is the same. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.840 There were yellow flowers, and there were people outside the 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.840 studio who were all holding up signs and wishing her well, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.680 and she went out at one point of the broadcast 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:49.280 to greet them. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.160 And this is a little bit of what happened. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.880 And these signs are so beautiful. You guys have been 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.760 so beautiful. I received so many letters, so much kindness 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.280 to me and my family, and we feel it, we 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:07.280 feel your prayers. So thank you so much. Every day 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:07.800 every day. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.240 There have been no leads in that case since that 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.320 really shocking vision that we reported on at the time 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.079 of a masked man being caught on the ring camera 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.280 of Savannah Guthrie's mother's door. No leads at all, and 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.919 so Savannah Guthrie like, after two months, going okay, I'm 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:28.760 going back to work. It's incredibly brave because there's so 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.760 much attention piled on her and you can only imagine 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:35.400 the conversation she's having constantly. But it made me think 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.280 of how many people when you go through something awful, 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:43.760 whether it's an illness, treatment, loss, grief, like there is 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.520 a point at which you have to go back to work, 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.840 Like you have to go back and you're not going 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.720 to get a ticker take parade for it, and you're 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.559 going to have to deal with the sort of sympathetic 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.280 looks from your coworkers, and you're going to have to 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.600 push on through. And it just made me think, like 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.120 she kind of it's so brave to what she's doing. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:04.680 And some people have said, oh, well, you know, did 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.120 she have to go back and all those things, but 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.680 it just made me think that's what people do. You 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.280 have to get on with it, right, and we just 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.959 want to say enormous love to you if you're going 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.120 through something shitty at the moment. I think Savannah Guthrie 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.800 shows an extraordinary amount of bravery that actually lots of 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.040 us have to exhibit every day. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:25.960 There's a lot going on in the world right now 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.880 which we will get to, but I think it's important 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.679 that we pause and acknowledge a water tight and high 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.440 stakes news story. There are rumors that Taylor Swift and 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:39.080 Travis Kelsey's wedding will take place in the middle of 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:43.680 the year, which is the US summer, specifically on June thirteenth. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:45.960 Where do these rumors come from? 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.320 I mean, we know they're getting married, right, I do know. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:52.920 She told us she posted the picture the English teacher, Yeah, 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:57.200 the pe teacher or whatever. It was something something, Yeah, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.320 in the school cafeteria. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.720 We assumed, Yeah, we've assumed it's twenty twenty six. You 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:09.080 assume you might have a summer wedding. Rhode Island's lovely 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:09.720 in June. 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:11.960 She's got a holiday house. Yeah. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:12.400 Yeah. 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.440 So there have been headlines all over the place in 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.440 the last few days, predictions about bridesmaids and esthetics and 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.360 the wedding dress designer. And you'd hope with all those 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.880 headlines that there would be some solid information that it's 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.240 based on. I mean, I did so. I did a 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.040 bit of a deep dive. 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:30.760 Well. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:36.159 An Instagram account called Wedding Chicks that links vendors, planners, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.520 and locations together for people's weddings, posted a carousel a 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.000 few days ago and the first slide reads save the date, 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:47.200 Taylor and Travis are getting married on June thirteenth. The 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:51.120 next slide reads date significance, but it's missing a C, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:56.040 so it really says date significance, which is how we 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.599 know this is an excellent source. It turns out the 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.520 entire already of the evidence for this claim is thirteen 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:03.920 is Taylor's lucky number. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:05.599 Oh yeah, there's a lot of numerologies. 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.800 Yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs are not playing on that day. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.120 That's I mean, well that is important. 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.440 Yeah, he does need to be there. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.719 He needs to be there, and probably so do his teammates. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.320 In fact, they have a mini camp from June nine 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:26.960 to eleven. How convenient because it will be over by 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.440 the thirteenth. Guys, this is all the evidence. 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.640 No, but I also heard that there was a rumor 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.440 that she had had to pay someone who was having 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.039 a wedding at the fancy Rhode Island place that she 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:39.760 was having the wedding on the same day. 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:44.160 Well, on that post, there was a comment from a 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.440 wedding planner who said, I'm the wedding planner for the rumored. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.960 Place where she's getting married, and there. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.440 Is a bride and it ain't Taylor, and I thought, 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.160 but that's something you'd say if your bride was Taylor. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.080 It's true, don't We're going to have to put up this. 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.080 If you're a wedding planner for Taylor Swift sweating, you're 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:07.680 really like just posting red herrings in Instagram comments. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:10.919 But then a photographer commented and said that the whole 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.839 area is meant to be shut down for that weekend. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:18.440 About Taylor Swift is she commits to a bit right. 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.680 We all know that she likes to drop red herrings everywhere. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:23.960 Easter eggs, as I think we call them these days, 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.240 are like clues and trails to things, and she's got 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.359 decoys and there are pretend Taylor's and she famously arrives 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:32.520 at a concert in the back of a bin like 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.800 she knows how to decoy. So I reckon she is 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.960 sending us to that location. 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.520 Exactly, and she can keep a bloody secret. She can 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:42.279 do something, so. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:43.120 Can her friends. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.200 Yes, what I've heard is that she and Travis have 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.920 really slimmed down the guest list and it's now down 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.479 to only one hundred and fifty Grandma they. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.080 Originally want to wait, do you think, well, I'm just 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.720 saying she's famously invited him and said We're not having 0:06:58.760 --> 0:06:59.440 one of those little ones. 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:00.280 I'm inviting one. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.719 I like, it's like, you know, until you start seeing 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.719 it all coming in and then like maybe one hundred 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:06.839 and fifty maybe Graham not. 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.720 Who were the bridesmaid discussions? Okay, Selena? 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.080 The rumors about bridesmaids were Selena Gomez, which absolutely, yes, Yes, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.560 Taylor was a bridesmaid for Selena, wasn't she. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.880 I think she was kind of like an unofficial Yeah. 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.400 I don't think they were wearing matching dresses, but. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.560 She was featured heavily. The is it Ham Orheim? 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:28.679 Oh I don't. 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.280 Sisters mates? 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:33.320 Yeah? 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.760 And then another prediction from this random wedding website was 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.120 gig had Did And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.400 no no no, we need to differentiate between who is 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.960 seriously in Taylor's in a circle and who is just 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.280 a modelg Did is a model who is friends with Taylor, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:49.239 but no. 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.120 She has famous. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.640 Used the question is Blake going to be a bride? 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:59.280 I know, I know because I reckon pre all the controversy. Yes, 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.720 but now Taylor's just a little bit too savvy. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:03.920 I think went through focus. 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:05.120 I want to know. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.560 I want to know what we think with all our 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.560 wisdom about how much we are really going to know 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.000 about this wedding when it happens. Because we've just seen 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.840 an excellent example of a very high profile couple just 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.160 sneaking off and getting married. Tom Holland I always getson 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.320 and I love him. I don't know why Tom Holland 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.280 and Zendaya. There doesn't seem to be any doubt about it. 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.960 They've been married. We don't know when. We don't know where, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:30.800 we don't know what was worn, we don't know who went, 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:32.079 We don't know what kind of pace they had. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.680 We only found out that they were married because law Roach, 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.040 a stylist, happened to drop the news that they were 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:38.240 married on a red carpet. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:39.960 And she's wearing a ring and whatever. 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.559 And she's been wearing like something old, something new, something borrowed, 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.480 something blues right. Her press to her for the drama. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:48.520 But she They have illustrated that two very high profile 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:53.440 people can pull off a completely secret non like not 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.440 even paparazzi outside wedding. 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:56.720 But that's Taylor's worst night. 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.480 That's what I want to discuss is she's rich enough 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.040 to do that. She could get married in a hermetically 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.840 sealed bubble in space, like she's a billionaire, she'd do 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:06.480 what she wants? 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:08.000 Will she do that? 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.839 No, she wants. The whole point of this is that 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.480 we all know she's getting married. She's made that very clear. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.400 Her entire herve to this point is arguably about getting 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.880 married as the end point of the narrative. Wouldn't you 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:21.480 say yes? 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.640 Since love story it really has been. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.000 But you could let people know that you're getting married 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.400 on your terms. Like a lot of celebrities, the only 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:30.400 way you find out they got married is because they 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.120 drop the pictures after the event. And then there are 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.920 other celebrity weddings that you know it's happening because they 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:39.200 are a helicopter circling the island. They're a paparazzi everywhere, 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:40.800 all the famous people are arriving. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.240 Like which version of that is Taylor going for? 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.360 And Selena Gomez, for example, did kind of keep her 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.320 a wedding largely under wraps. There were helicopters circling, but 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.760 they didn't get many photos. The photos that we have 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.840 are the ones that Selena wanted us to see. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.319 Yeah, she did a fun Taylor will definitely do that, right, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:09:59.760 She's an absolute master. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.720 Think about when Jack Antonoff got married, her longtime firstwhile 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.880 producer got married to Margaret Quali and they got married 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.760 also in New England. But the problem was that Taylor 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:15.200 just completely ended up dominating the proceedings. Her fans were there, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.640 they were taking photos of Taylor. It kind of, by 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.240 all accounts ruined things for Margaret on her big day. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.040 Unfortunately, Taylor has to be at her own wedding. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:23.760 She does. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:24.400 She does. 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:29.480 And something that actually got me thinking because on kind 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.199 of on the record a publicist. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:33.559 It was probably a publicist. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.199 Somebody spoke to people in August last year and said 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.600 it would be a private, low key event, right, And 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.400 the more I think about it, the more I'm like, 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.320 absolutely not. And I read this article in New York 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:51.400 magazine about how having a Vogue cover so good for 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:57.000 your wedding is more prized every Yes, and the theories 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:01.120 about why are so compelling. So one quote from a 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.360 luxury event planner says, the new social currency is much 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.120 more about showing that you're a creative person than that 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.640 you're a rich person. I think Taylor wants to create something, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.040 it'll be your work of art. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.960 Oh, it will be full of Easter eggs, and it'll 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.800 be full of little nods to this and that. The 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.480 thing that was great about that article is so celebrities 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.800 have a few choices when it comes to how public 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.320 to go. So back in my days of being tabloid 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.800 magazine lady, we did loads of weddings. We did Carl 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.600 Sanderland's first wedding, we did Nat Bass's wedding, Ricky Lee's wedding. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.400 We did weddings all the time. And obviously you pay 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.800 money for that. So you do a deal where you say, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.560 we want the engagement, we want the wedding. Honeymoon would 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.520 be great, you know, but that comes with cash. But 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.600 what you get for that cash kind of ruins the 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.080 wedding in lots of ways. And for a start, you 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.120 have to have journalists and photographers at your wedding that 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.680 you didn't choose. You have to be approving pictures on 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.520 your wedding night, you have to agree to do all that. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.080 You have to do an interview on the day, you 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:54.400 have to do all that stuff. So that kind of 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.800 old school selling your wedding is obviously way below Taylor's 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.920 pay grades. She ain't doing that, but the Vogue version 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:06.320 of selling your wedding is similar, probably though you're paying 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.800 Vogue rather than the other way around. Because in that 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.000 article Chloe Marle, who's the editor of Vogue, but she's 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.160 worked there a long time, and she is credited as 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.720 bringing the weddings back to Vogue as being a big 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.480 selling points, as they're often their top stories. She said, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.920 we run it like a military operation, and we will 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.960 have those pictures up within hours. So she talked about 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.719 Venus William's wedding. I think that no one knew it 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.760 was happening. It got married on the Friday, The pictures 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.400 were up by the Sunday, So again somebody in your 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:38.120 party has to spend that time photo approvals, back and 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:40.360 forth with your publicists. We like that, we like that, 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.400 but to have your wedding in Vogue is massive status 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.880 and loads of celebrities do that and non celebrities too. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:54.760 Do you think that Taylor will do that the Vogue 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.240 wedding as as the vehicle to get the fans the 0:12:58.240 --> 0:12:59.920 pictures or do you think she'll go directly. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.520 I think she'll go direct but I do think that 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.760 what Vogue has tapped into in terms of wedding content, 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:13.160 and I guess the resurgence of how important it is 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.160 for identity and how it's an extension of personal brand. 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.320 I think Taylor will be tapping into all of that, 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.960 because there was a quote that said, the wedding planning 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.560 process can bring up that little girl in the cafeteria 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.000 who really wants to be seen. This is the ultimate 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.920 version of that. And I think there's a little bit 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:33.360 of Taylor Swift who's like, I'm marrying the jock and 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.080 I want everybody to see. 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.080 But there was also I just had to add this 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.240 tidbit that was in the article. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.520 A woman in the fashion industry apparently tried to get 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:48.120 her wedding in Vogue and got rejected, and apparently she 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.800 burned bridges with a lot of the friends who participated 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.000 in her wedding, blamed the fiasco on all her guests, 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.480 and then she checked herself into a trauma retreat. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.520 So this guy in there is quite just saying, we 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.120 don't do lake Como passe. If you get Marion like Coma, 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:05.520 you won't make it into Vogue anymore. 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:06.319 We don't like it. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.440 I didn't exactly we don't like castles in Scotland. We 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.280 don't like anything that ordinary people have started doing. 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:13.079 You're not going to get it. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.679 They're like, if we've done the Cotswolds six times, I'm 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:16.680 not going to do it at seventh. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:17.840 Gosh. 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.800 But no, I think Taylor will come direct fans. I 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.680 think that there will be some great Instagram content, but 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.000 I think she'll keep it a secret until it happens. 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:27.880 I think they should live. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.040 You know how, every time there's a royal wedding, the 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.840 argument for why the nation is paying for this so 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.720 like obviously Harry and Megs, William and Catherine is like, 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.680 you know, the security and the flowers in London's closed down, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.160 and it is always it's great for national morale and 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.440 it's always like things have been tough lately, there's been 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:48.320 a recession. Whatever, it brings everyone together for a reason 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.480 to be happy. What could be better at this moment 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.840 of global international crisis than for Taylor and Travis to 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.240 just throw it open live stream? 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:58.280 Come on in? 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.160 Did you see that? In the gatest round of royal revelations, 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:05.560 apparently the Queen said that she thought Megan's dress was 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:11.520 too white. Yes, yes, So what Hugh White will tailor dress. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.920 I know she'll, she'll bloody get it right. I mean, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:16.200 she's worn so many designers, and she's worn quite a 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:22.840 few wedding dresses in her film clips. 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.480 Because she's dressed up as a bride many times. But me, 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:30.040 Oriel exactly, Taylor Swifts not like me Oriol don't come out. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:35.080 In a moment. Is there anything hotter than someone doing 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:40.040 their job really, really well? Australians woke up this morning 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:42.880 to the news that Donald Trump had said something even 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.920 more upsetting than usual. He said, a whole civilization will 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:52.080 die tonight, never to be brought back again. His threat 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:54.960 of mass destruction and more crimes was of course directed 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.960 towards Iran, which two days ago on Easter he'd also 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.920 threatened with total destruction and hell. By the end of 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.440 the day US time, and by the time we're recording this, 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.520 it looks like the immediate crisis has been averted. Trump 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.400 has said that he and Iran's leaders have agreed to 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.360 a ceasefire, and the terms of that are being clarified. 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.120 It does look like the Strait of Hormoots, which is 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.400 where all the where twenty percent of the world's oil 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.720 is being held up. It looks like that will be 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:28.040 opened under Iran's control for at least two weeks. A 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.040 lot of other details being worked out, and you can 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.720 hear more about that on today's Quickie. But I guess 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.680 I just wanted to say that it's really hard to 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.280 know what to say when someone says something like this, 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.640 When someone threatens mass murder and war crimes, and he is, 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:50.640 rather than your very looney Tunes relative, the most powerful 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:54.800 person in the world, and I don't have anything profound 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.280 to say about it, except for the fact that it 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.080 really makes you feel upset and scared, and like, if 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.760 this was someone who was in your life saying these things, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.159 you would probably look into getting them some sort of 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:06.040 professional help. 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.280 It's sometimes worth remembering. And I know this is, like, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.840 you know, not an original thought, but that this is 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.160 not how leaders used to speak, you know what I mean, 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:21.200 Like tweeting out capital letters. There were lots of swear 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.840 words in the last lot over Easter. There are just 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.919 all these direct threats, and the thing that's tricky about 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.040 it is you kind of get a bit blind to 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:31.959 it in a way. I woke up to that this 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.680 morning and I was just but I also thought, well, 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.200 I know he's going to back away from it because 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.920 he always does, like he says outrageous thing. And then 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.720 you pointed out to me that no, he doesn't always, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.240 and the chaos is the point. But it's this foul 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.719 mouthed diplomacy, whatever you want to call it out, what 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.960 it's just, it's not. It's so disturbing because it's just 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:53.160 reset the way that all of the things work. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.680 And it reminds you that other politicians had very different 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:02.760 strategies for very good reason in the past, because that 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.240 maybe a world crisis would happen, or you'd start a walk. 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.240 They tend to think through the consequences. They tend to 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:14.040 use measured language. They'd be careful about threatening entire populations 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:14.919 with mass murder. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:16.080 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.560 But we don't live in that world anymore. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:22.440 No, And I think Trump's general vibe at the moment 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.240 has us turning towards competency pawn. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:27.560 What's that so? 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.440 A couple of months ago, an article in The Guardian 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.000 introduced the term, writing, when it feels as though the 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.000 world is moments away from any number of disasters, there 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.359 is nothing hotter than watching someone do their job really, 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:45.359 really well. And this particular article referenced the Pit, which 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:50.920 has a massive invested audience. It has won so many awards. 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.800 Hospital drama that stars the er guy. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.560 Correct, Yes, and I cannot turn away from these doctors 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.600 in Pennsylvania who doing their jobs to a high degree 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.760 of success. And you should just like the way that 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.720 they talk and they know and it's it's science and 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.679 there's they're making decisions based on thought. 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:13.120 It's so hot. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.520 They might not even be the best doctors that ever existed. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.199 The point is that they approached their job with a 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:24.520 level of seriousness that feels devoid in real life. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.200 This is like the outlauder who said in the group 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.280 the other day that they'd started watching the West. 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:33.920 Wing, and I used to. I was an obsessive. 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.399 West Wing fan for a period of time when I 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:37.480 was on maternity leave. It was my breastfeeding watch. I 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:39.359 know you're supposed to be communing with your baby, but 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:44.720 I was communing with Jed Bartlett and watching those pretend 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:49.200 politicians and pretend you know, back roomors like walk and talks. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:49.800 Of these crises. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.720 Everything was quicker, but they were serious people, the best 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.800 and brightest. That used to be a given. 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.400