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Speaker 1: Welcome to the C's the YA Podcast. Busy and happy
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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than
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Speaker 1: Sarah Davidson or a spoonful of Sarah, a lawyer turned
Speaker 1: funentrepreneur who swapped the suits and heels to co found
Speaker 1: matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar. Sez the Ya is
Speaker 1: a series of conversations on finding a life you love
Speaker 1: and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and fulfillment along
Speaker 1: the way. Lovely Neighborhood. I doubt there are many of
Speaker 1: you listening who haven't drawled once or twice over Chris
Speaker 1: Hemsworth's body before. I mean, you're only human, right, Well,
Speaker 1: you may not have realized though you were actually drawling
Speaker 1: over our guest for this week, yep. I am thrilled
Speaker 1: to have Chris's legendary body double and professional stuntman, Bobby
Speaker 1: Holland Hanton on the show this week. Bobby has worked
Speaker 1: on many major Hollywood blockbuster films including Thor, The Avengers, Batman,
Speaker 1: Captain America, Wonder Woman, Mission Impossible, Star Wars, What Hasn't.
Speaker 2: He Been In?
Speaker 1: As well as hit TV show Game of Thrones, earning
Speaker 1: him our host of awards, including eight Screen Actors Guild
Speaker 1: Awards and two Emmys. You know, I love having all
Speaker 1: sorts of pathways on the show, and we all see
Speaker 1: stunt doubles all the time, but I've never actually thought
Speaker 1: about how you become one, So this chat was an
Speaker 1: absolute blast. It kind of makes sense that Bobby's beginnings
Speaker 1: were in gymnastics, starting as young as four, and then
Speaker 1: building up to becoming a gold medallist for Great Britain
Speaker 1: and competing all around the world, a career interesting and
Speaker 1: multifaceted in itself that you'll hear all about. Plus, Bobby
Speaker 1: isn't just a pretty face slush body. He's also just
Speaker 1: this week released his first ever children's picture book, The
Speaker 1: Adventures of Eddie and Flip Boy. He'll tell you more
Speaker 1: about that exciting launch himself. So I am so excited
Speaker 1: to introduce this week Bobby Holland handon, Bobby Dazzler. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's your name in my brain. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. It kind of is my name now,
Speaker 2: it's been It's been my nickname for a very long time,
Speaker 2: so I think everyone knows me as that for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where did that come from?
Speaker 2: Actually? Funny enough, really weird story. I was nineteen years old.
Speaker 2: I was actually doing a pantomime in Southampton, local to
Speaker 2: where I'm from, and I was playing an acrobat in
Speaker 2: this pantomime and there was a sipe staff from our
Speaker 2: huge show in UK Extenders. We got together and it
Speaker 2: was kind of in the paper in the press, and
Speaker 2: they called me the Bobby Dazlar and it's just stuck
Speaker 2: since I was nineteen, So yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker 1: I love it because you just dazzle everyone.
Speaker 2: I'll take that for sure, that we can take. We
Speaker 2: can go with that. That's fine.
Speaker 1: Well, you might know already that a part of this
Speaker 1: show is going back to those sort of early days
Speaker 1: in Southampton. And you know, if people meet you right
Speaker 1: now in your life, it's really easy to assume you
Speaker 1: always knew where you were going and that this was
Speaker 1: always your goal and it was a smooth sailing, and
Speaker 1: you know, ninety nine percent of the time it's not there.
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I'd love to ask
Speaker 1: our little icebreaker, which is just what the most down
Speaker 1: to worth thing is about you. And I think because
Speaker 1: most people we do know you as Bobby Dazzler and
Speaker 1: see you in movies and in Hollywood and doing all
Speaker 1: these incredible things. It's hard to remember there's just a dude,
Speaker 1: you know, behind the scenes. So what's something really normal
Speaker 1: about you?
Speaker 2: I think, if I'm honest, it's I'm just one big kid,
Speaker 2: and I really I shouldn't. I'm a big kid adults body,
Speaker 2: and I've got no intentions of growing up. I know
Speaker 2: I have to at some point, no intentions doing it
Speaker 2: right now. I love having fun. I love pranking my family,
Speaker 2: friends and just just messing about. I probably mess about
Speaker 2: too much. I would have to cob at some point.
Speaker 1: I think there is absolutely no such thing. If you
Speaker 1: ever met my husband, you guys would get along like
Speaker 1: a house on fire. He spent half of the wedding
Speaker 1: last night throwing ice cubes and little limes in everyone
Speaker 1: else's class. It was a great time. Yeah, he's really
Speaker 1: really that sounds.
Speaker 2: Exactly what my type of guy that is. That's what
Speaker 2: I'll be doing as well.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, well, you've definitely ended up in a path
Speaker 1: yay as we call them. That very much suits that
Speaker 1: kind of exciting, dynamic side of you. But can you
Speaker 1: take us back to your earlier self, Like, what were
Speaker 1: you like as a kid you know, what were your
Speaker 1: first jobs or first kind of ideas of what you
Speaker 1: wanted to be. I know you started in a very
Speaker 1: different industry, which is so cool, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jim, I think as a kid, I mean, my mom's
Speaker 2: happy to say this, one of those kids had so
Speaker 2: much energy that it was I just didn't know how
Speaker 2: to use it. So in some ways it I ended
Speaker 2: up being naughty because I just had so much energy
Speaker 2: to trying it rid of. And my sister, it's three
Speaker 2: years older than me, and she started gymnastics when she
Speaker 2: was seven and I was four, and my mum was like, look,
Speaker 2: we've got to try something and get trying to dispurse
Speaker 2: some of this energy. So I started gymnastics at a
Speaker 2: very young age and it became very intensive, very quickly,
Speaker 2: you know. And then fast forward to seventeen. At that
Speaker 2: point I was comparing for Great Britain and I've been
Speaker 2: doing gymnastics since I was four to seventeen, and it
Speaker 2: was five six days a week, most of the time
Speaker 2: between three and five hours a day. So I still,
Speaker 2: even during that period, had way too much energy. And
Speaker 2: I was training that much and I played a bit
Speaker 2: of football as well, so if I didn't do gymnastics.
Speaker 2: I'd hate to say where I'd be right now because
Speaker 2: I had too much energy, way too much.
Speaker 1: I love how you were, Like I did a bit
Speaker 1: of football. You were like semi professional for Fareham Town
Speaker 1: Football Club, like actually playing in a league. Just just
Speaker 1: a little bit of football in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was in like a short period of time.
Speaker 2: But I really put that down to my body of
Speaker 2: work as a gymnast from such a young age. It
Speaker 2: just put me in great stead. When I gave up,
Speaker 2: you know, everything that came a little bit easier because
Speaker 2: of that. I was very fast, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: i'd recommend gymnastics to any child for a base for anything,
Speaker 2: even if you don't want to take it to the
Speaker 2: highest level. If you can get to a good standard,
Speaker 2: it will literally put you in great stead for any
Speaker 2: sport you want to do after that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I was a ballerina when I was younger and
Speaker 1: did that up until I was about fifteen or maybe fourteen.
Speaker 1: Same thing like doing okay, yeah, yeah, like that whole
Speaker 1: Like you start when you're three and you're like, alli's
Speaker 1: a bit of fun and a good way to get
Speaker 1: rid of some energy, and you know, calm, I kind
Speaker 1: of borderline ADHD and then you get to like, you know,
Speaker 1: it becomes a professional pathway really quickly. But it teaches
Speaker 1: you so much discipline and how to manage yourself and
Speaker 1: how to set goals, and you know, it's that formative
Speaker 1: stuff that even if you don't go on to do
Speaker 1: it later, it kind of stays with you for life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly, and that's when we're moving on to
Speaker 2: this in a minute with a book. But that's exactly
Speaker 2: what it does. Do it regardless of keeping you fit,
Speaker 2: and you know, it gives you that very early on,
Speaker 2: you know how to work hard, the work ethic, the discipline.
Speaker 2: If you want to achieve something, you have to work
Speaker 2: your ass off to achieve it. And you want to
Speaker 2: be the best, you need to do more than most.
Speaker 2: And I think that's you know, it's very important for
Speaker 2: like you said, life skills and you know, moving on
Speaker 2: to anything you do, you know that you've already had
Speaker 2: that as a young age and it's kind of embedded
Speaker 2: in you. That's exactly how I feel, exactly what's happened
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: It's also really interesting that you know you're retired from
Speaker 1: your first career, at seventeen. That's kind of most people
Speaker 1: haven't even started their first job by seventeen, and you
Speaker 1: already had an entire career and then retired and had
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, let go of that identity
Speaker 1: and find a new one, which is really jarring and
Speaker 1: something that most people aren't maybe brave enough to do
Speaker 1: at all in their life, let alone so young. And
Speaker 1: then you know multiple times, So what was that, Like
Speaker 1: what made you decide that you were going to change direction?
Speaker 1: I kind of imagine being seventeen and just deciding, like,
Speaker 1: I've competed for my country, but I'm going to shift
Speaker 1: my focus. And you know, you were performing you mentioned pantomimes.
Speaker 1: I know that you were doing stunts, like starting to
Speaker 1: kind of do stunts and a bit of modeling. So
Speaker 1: how did you shift that goalpost at such a young age.
Speaker 2: It actually wasn't in my foresight of what was going
Speaker 2: to happen. It was kind of within a six month period.
Speaker 2: It was a very small gymnast until I hit about
Speaker 2: between fourteen fifteen and had a huge growth spurt and
Speaker 2: you know, within an eighteen month period, which most successful
Speaker 2: gymnasts are small and I want to more until that
Speaker 2: growth spart It put a lot of stress on my
Speaker 2: lower back. And then I had a Russian coach that
Speaker 2: left and went to America, so I, you know, I
Speaker 2: lost my Russian coach, I had a back injury, and
Speaker 2: I got to tour. It was like literally three major
Speaker 2: major things that you do not want to happen to
Speaker 2: you as a gymnast, and they happened in quick succession.
Speaker 2: So it was a decision that needed to be made,
Speaker 2: you know, and I wanted to turn my attention to football.
Speaker 2: You know. I've always always loved it, always enjoyed it,
Speaker 2: you know, but it was just had no time because
Speaker 2: the Gramatics took that time up so much, didn't allow
Speaker 2: me to play football. So it was really tough. And
Speaker 2: at seventeen years old, you were kind of at that
Speaker 2: age where you're, you know, just finishing school and you're
Speaker 2: meeting girls and you're going up driving, and it was
Speaker 2: I wasn't prepared for it. It was tough. It was
Speaker 2: really tough, but I managed to you know, could have
Speaker 2: quite easily gone down the wrong the wrong road, and
Speaker 2: I managed to kind of gain football, turn it around
Speaker 2: and then and then join an agency to do live shows.
Speaker 2: So it kind of got me out of that that
Speaker 2: period that could have been real bad.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think that's that's a really interesting
Speaker 1: reminder that things like sport or physical activity or you know,
Speaker 1: being part of a community or a team in some way,
Speaker 1: especially at that formative age, can help ground you in
Speaker 1: a sense of belonging or a sense of like distracting
Speaker 1: you from all the other things you could be doing
Speaker 1: that actually kind of save you from other pathways that
Speaker 1: you could have gone down. So amazing that sport was
Speaker 1: such a recurring theme for you before we move on
Speaker 1: to sort of how you then trained full time to
Speaker 1: do stunts, and you know, I think it's it's so
Speaker 1: cool because it's one of those careers that we see
Speaker 1: every day, but no one's really thought of how you
Speaker 1: become a stunt man, like what is the career path
Speaker 1: to do that? But first I wanted to ask, like,
Speaker 1: it's currently this week is International Men's Health Week, and
Speaker 1: I just randomly had this question about you know, it's
Speaker 1: so cool now to be a gymnast and to do
Speaker 1: all kinds of sport. You know, gyms in the Olympics,
Speaker 1: it's you know, you know that the dudes are ripped
Speaker 1: and like it's a really cool thing to do. But
Speaker 1: I think when you're younger, it's very different to football.
Speaker 1: You know, you're like wearing micra earlier than most guys do,
Speaker 1: when you're doing kinds of different stretching. Did you find
Speaker 1: that it was Did you get you know, teased at
Speaker 1: all for doing it? Was it hard to kind of explain.
Speaker 2: Massively when I was a kid, like, there wasn't as
Speaker 2: many boy gymnasts. It just wasn't because you know exactly
Speaker 2: that reason you do in that young age, you know,
Speaker 2: girls did it, not many boys did it. It took it
Speaker 2: took time for boys to get into it, and for
Speaker 2: me to be wearing a leotide at school, you know that.
Speaker 2: You know, I look bullied for that, and I think
Speaker 2: I remember I get into about fifteen years old and
Speaker 2: or fourteen years old, and I remember doing a back
Speaker 2: summers on the playground and everyone's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: did everyone just see that? And then you become the
Speaker 2: most popular kid in school. So it turns around pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: But there was a period, you know, a good few
Speaker 2: years where it was, you know, I didn't want to
Speaker 2: go anymore. It pushed me to that point of you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go gymestics, Moore. I don't want
Speaker 2: to get teased anymore. And my mum was so amazing
Speaker 2: in that respective. Just just trust me and just keep going,
Speaker 2: keep going, this will pay off. Don't give up. You've
Speaker 2: worked too hard for this to just you know, knock
Speaker 2: it on the head. And now I look back and
Speaker 2: I'm just so thankful that she made me continue, made
Speaker 2: me go, because there were lots many times, you know,
Speaker 2: I can't encount on my hands how many times I'd
Speaker 2: kick and scream and not want to go, and she
Speaker 2: just kept you know, she's stuck in there and said going.
Speaker 2: And now you know, I can't thank her enough and
Speaker 2: be sitting here now talking to you about, you know,
Speaker 2: the things I'm proud of. So it's my mum.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. I think it's you know,
Speaker 1: in any career path that's a little bit different. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not cool until one day it's cool, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly everyone wants to be And I'm sure all
Speaker 1: those friends from back then are like coming out of
Speaker 1: the woodworks now, like, look what you've made of yourself
Speaker 1: from gymnastics. That's amazing. But you do usually have to
Speaker 1: go through a bit of time where no one gets it.
Speaker 1: And I think that's when it's so important to have
Speaker 1: people like your mum or a good network or friends
Speaker 1: who support you through it while it's not cool until
Speaker 1: the day that it becomes cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And so I think there's a there
Speaker 2: is something to be said about, you know, getting through
Speaker 2: the adversity of going through that pressure of this isn't
Speaker 2: people saying it's not call and you're a young kid,
Speaker 2: and how to deal with that, And I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it's never nice, And over time, I think you just
Speaker 2: start to build, you know, you start to become a
Speaker 2: stronger person from it. You know, I think there's not
Speaker 2: enough said about that as well. You know that. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know, promote people get bullied. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that when you go through adversity like that,
Speaker 2: it makes you stronger. And if you can pick yourself
Speaker 2: up and keep going, the benefits are they outweigh the
Speaker 2: negatives in the end, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And I think one of the big themes
Speaker 1: of this show is that you know, it's all about
Speaker 1: joy and finding your ya, but no theory of joy
Speaker 1: can ignore that actually it's usually the shittier bits that
Speaker 1: get you closer to your joy because it teaches you want,
Speaker 1: you know, all the skills you need to get there.
Speaker 1: It teaches you resilience. And I think also like self
Speaker 1: doubt is probably of all the nase ta that we
Speaker 1: talk about, self doubt and imposter syndrome is probably the biggest.
Speaker 1: But then on top of that, like we've all got
Speaker 1: our own inner negative self talk, but then if you've
Speaker 1: got outer people also bullying you and telling you what
Speaker 1: not to do, that's like a thousand times harder to
Speaker 1: keep on your pathway and sticking to what you love.
Speaker 1: But look what it did, the fact that you stuck
Speaker 1: to it, Look what.
Speaker 2: Has led to Yeah, and even still now like exactly
Speaker 2: what you touched on them. And I'm you know, more
Speaker 2: than you know. I'm happy to you know, not keep
Speaker 2: this in all the time. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I doubt myself every single day. There's things I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, to step outside your comfort zone. It's easy too,
Speaker 2: and it's subconsciously you don't even think about it. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to try that. Oh no, actually, on
Speaker 2: my cow, I don't want to do that because you're
Speaker 2: just that worry of failing, or that worry of not
Speaker 2: being able to do it, or that worry of being
Speaker 2: laughed at is is powerful if you can take a
Speaker 2: step back sometimes and just say, look, if I don't
Speaker 2: do this, I'm going to regred it down the line.
Speaker 2: And if I you know, I think that as much
Speaker 2: as you can. People say all the time, you know, failure.
Speaker 2: I don't wants to fail, but failure is a is
Speaker 2: a learning curve and it's you know, you'll be better
Speaker 2: the next time. And if you fail again, it you
Speaker 2: should learn from that and just keep learning and learn
Speaker 2: and learning. And it's part of the reason about this book.
Speaker 2: You know, it's never you know, I was never thought
Speaker 2: about doing it ever. And then a friend of mine
Speaker 2: and Tournette as you know, she said, why don't you
Speaker 2: do this? And you know, now I'm you know, I've
Speaker 2: got published in a book. It's out this during. So
Speaker 2: it's just to try those things. It can be so
Speaker 2: rewarding when you don't think it's just you're, like you said,
Speaker 2: you've always got the inner self. That's the biggest battle,
Speaker 2: you know, the battles against yourself all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's so reassuring to hear, like for
Speaker 1: so many listeners to hear that someone at your level
Speaker 1: who's done the coolest stuff at the highest levels in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: like constantly hugely successful milestones, that you still get that
Speaker 1: voice in your head when you try something new. I
Speaker 1: think for a long time I was waiting for self
Speaker 1: doubt to disappear, and I was like, I'm not successful
Speaker 1: until it goes away. Now I'm like, you're not successful
Speaker 1: until you can just ignore it. It never goes away,
Speaker 1: you just get better.
Speaker 2: But I still have that now, regardless of the job
Speaker 2: at work, when I'm a stuntman, I have that every
Speaker 2: single time, every single day, always always in there. We
Speaker 2: manage to find ways to overcome that and battle it,
Speaker 2: and that that reward is much stronger.
Speaker 1: Totally. And I actually think the day that I turn
Speaker 1: up to something and I don't have a little bit
Speaker 1: of self doubt, I'm probably too complacent, Like I've probably
Speaker 1: I'm probably.
Speaker 2: You don't care about it enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're not invested. Yeah, totally. So the stunt man
Speaker 1: you have become probably Hollywood's foremost stunt man. I mean
Speaker 1: literally your resume is insane. Obviously most people will know
Speaker 1: that you have body doubled your you know, Chris Hamsworth's
Speaker 1: main body double. You've also been a stunt man for
Speaker 1: Daniel Craig and Christian Bale in like the biggest coolest roles.
Speaker 1: You've got eight SAgs, like two Emmys. I think, like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the list is at you
Speaker 1: know now, But an incredible, incredible career so far. But
Speaker 1: you had to start somewhere. So how do you even
Speaker 1: shift into this industry, let alone make it to where
Speaker 1: you've got to? What was that kind of trajectory like
Speaker 1: for you and what did you have to learn? Do
Speaker 1: you just start throwing like yourself at stuff and then
Speaker 1: see what happens if you bounce?
Speaker 2: Well, it's so funny because I'm thirty eight. Next week
Speaker 2: I started, you know, my first film was I was
Speaker 2: twenty three. I feel fifty eight.
Speaker 1: Well you've done a lot of bouncing off things, so
Speaker 1: that's fair enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. My first film, I was twenty three and
Speaker 2: I stunt double for Daniel Craig and quant Maslis. My
Speaker 2: first job.
Speaker 1: That was your first job, my.
Speaker 2: First ever job yet now and it was actually there's
Speaker 2: a criteria here in the UK you have to qualify
Speaker 2: in six disciplines. You can train from like a possible twelve,
Speaker 2: but you have to qualify in like six skills. So gymnastics, trampolining,
Speaker 2: high diving with three skills I already had from my
Speaker 2: background anyway, so I just took the tests. So I'm
Speaker 2: very lucky to already have three ticked off. And then
Speaker 2: I did kickboxing to brown bout level you have to
Speaker 2: have two amateur fights video as proof. And then I
Speaker 2: did swimming and scuba diving, so that made up my
Speaker 2: six skills. And just before I'd finished my six skills,
Speaker 2: I had done four and had a phone call and
Speaker 2: it was actually from the Stone cornintor Gary Powell, who was,
Speaker 2: you know, a huge, huge coordinator, you know, and some
Speaker 2: of the biggest movies. He did see a ray out
Speaker 2: the Last four Bonds whatever it was, you know, he
Speaker 2: calls me and says, oh, you know, we want you
Speaker 2: to come in an audition to stunt double for James Bond.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was a friend of mine that
Speaker 2: was calling to take this. I was like, this is
Speaker 2: a joke, right, So I kind of, you know, I
Speaker 2: was making a joke back. I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: who is this ridiculous, like asking me to do the
Speaker 2: job that everyone wants to do is what I'm training for.
Speaker 2: And the phone was went silent, and I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: this might be real.
Speaker 1: I've just pissed off the actual contact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, sir, where'd you need me? He's up Monday,
Speaker 2: nine O'clock's year there. So I come into Timer Studios
Speaker 2: an audition. I ended up going back like three or
Speaker 2: four I think it was four times for quite vigorous
Speaker 2: audition process until he offered me the job and it
Speaker 2: was supposed to be six weeks and ended up being
Speaker 2: six months. And that was the start and fast forward
Speaker 2: to this. But I actually didn't know anything about stunts
Speaker 2: growing up as a kid, and I think it was
Speaker 2: you know, it's unheard of back then, especially with social
Speaker 2: media and the Internet and that type of thing. We
Speaker 2: didn't have it. So my only goal as a kid
Speaker 2: growing up when he goes to the Olympics. My hero
Speaker 2: was a better Russian called Vitari Sherbo and he was
Speaker 2: the Olympic gold medalist and I used to watch him
Speaker 2: on TV. We recorded on VHS a step lay. We
Speaker 2: record it if it was two recorded and I watched
Speaker 2: it the next day. But he was my hero, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to go gymnastics, That's all I had in it.
Speaker 2: So I goes to the Olympics for genestics. That's all
Speaker 2: I had in my mind. And I actually didn't even
Speaker 2: stumble across stunts and know anything about stunt men until
Speaker 2: I got to about twenty one, and I was doing
Speaker 2: the high diving show at Lego Land in Windsor. I
Speaker 2: actually know. So I was twenty and I watched Casino
Speaker 2: Royal Daniel Craig's first Bond movie, and then I watched
Speaker 2: the credits come up, and I never watched credits come
Speaker 2: up with any movies, and I was like, oh, this,
Speaker 2: this was so cool and how is this work? So
Speaker 2: I watched the credits and I noticed there was a
Speaker 2: name on there, Marvin Campbell, who used to be an
Speaker 2: ex Olympian gymnast that I used to you know, he
Speaker 2: was older than me, but I used to go to
Speaker 2: Lilli Shrum and I used to see him and everyone
Speaker 2: used to look, you know, that's that's Marvin. It's Marvin.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, wait a minute, stunt Marvin.
Speaker 2: I was like, it was a gymnast. So I then
Speaker 2: researched it a little bit, found out how it works,
Speaker 2: and in the UK we have which is called the BSR,
Speaker 2: the British Stunt Register. So I looked at the criteria
Speaker 2: and what I needed to do to train for the
Speaker 2: Stunt Register, and then I just started training and it
Speaker 2: was just it was new. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: and then I started to rea such more and find
Speaker 2: out more information. But now thanks to social media, thanks
Speaker 2: to the Internet, thanks to stumb performers all over the
Speaker 2: world being able to post and show their stuff at
Speaker 2: what they do, it's now becoming more and more. We
Speaker 2: still are crying out and desperate for stumb performers, especially
Speaker 2: here in the UK because it's so so busy, especially
Speaker 2: with streaming now and movies, that we don't have enough
Speaker 2: stunt performers, so we're crying out for them. But you know,
Speaker 2: when I got into it, there was you know, no
Speaker 2: one really knew about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so cool, like we've all watched so
Speaker 1: many stunt doubles and probably not even thought about the
Speaker 1: fact that it wasn't the actual actor or actress themselves,
Speaker 1: Like it's just this flies under the radar. But it's
Speaker 1: so crucial and it's so cool that you didn't even
Speaker 1: know about it until you're twenty one, which is when
Speaker 1: most people think that they should have made their forever
Speaker 1: decision about their life. You're finding out about a whole
Speaker 1: new industry and then just kind of googling it off
Speaker 1: the back of watching credits in a movie. Like I
Speaker 1: think people get really siloed into like this is the
Speaker 1: way that you find a career pathway, and this is
Speaker 1: the way that you find a passion. But it can
Speaker 1: come to you in like the weirdest roundabout ways and
Speaker 1: you just look up, like how do you train? Most
Speaker 1: people like I didn't know until I got you on
Speaker 1: the show. I was like, how do you even become?
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even know you could do a qualification
Speaker 1: or that there were areas you have to qualifying.
Speaker 2: And in the UK it's there is a criteria. In
Speaker 2: the Australia there's a criteria, there's like a registered stunt register.
Speaker 2: In the States there isn't, and the States have the
Speaker 2: most performers on the planet, so it's but you know,
Speaker 2: I guess it becomes word of mouth. But I think
Speaker 2: for me to be able to want to because I mean,
Speaker 2: I started doing live acrobatic shows and stunt shows when
Speaker 2: I was nineteen, but I didn't really know anything about
Speaker 2: the film and TV until I did a bit more.
Speaker 2: And I think if I hadn't had my gymnastics background,
Speaker 2: then I would not be doing the job doing today.
Speaker 2: So I already, without me knowing it, I had already
Speaker 2: I was. I was already building a and had a
Speaker 2: physical degree in what I you know, which put me
Speaker 2: in good in the best position I could ever wish
Speaker 2: for to be a you know, a professional and successful
Speaker 2: stump performer because with your mystics trampling in the high diving,
Speaker 2: the awareness that it gives you spatial awareness and like
Speaker 2: we talked about before, work ethic, knowing how you know, discipline,
Speaker 2: working hard. Otherwise I wouldn't I wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 2: So although I, you know, I kind of fell in
Speaker 2: my lap, but I checked out when I was twenty
Speaker 2: one to film and TV. Without me knowing it, I
Speaker 2: had already been training really for the since I was
Speaker 2: four years old for this, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so cool. That's like the essence of
Speaker 1: this whole idea of your pathway that you know, you
Speaker 1: don't know when the next chapter is around the corner,
Speaker 1: But you just prepare yourself as best you can for
Speaker 1: whatever comes next, based on what you're good at and
Speaker 1: what you enjoy. And then and you're on the cusp
Speaker 1: of like a whole new chap like a third chapter
Speaker 1: that again I'm sure only recently you probably had no
Speaker 1: idea was coming, which is again so excited that you
Speaker 1: never stopped growing and that you can never stop like
Speaker 1: reinventing yourself and doing new things. But before we get
Speaker 1: to the book, I have to ask you some of
Speaker 1: the like dish the dirt behind the scenes stuff that
Speaker 1: I mean, most of us will just never have access
Speaker 1: to it or never have the chance to kind of
Speaker 1: find out. So on set for example, when you knew
Speaker 1: that you were going to be James Bond, Like what
Speaker 1: the actual fuck? That's so cool? Do you spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time with Daniel Craig. Do you have to
Speaker 1: learn not only the stunts but like his body language.
Speaker 1: Do you have to train to condition to change your
Speaker 1: shape to be more like obviously like you've Daniel Craig
Speaker 1: is different to Christian Bale is different to you know,
Speaker 1: all the different like Chris, Like they've all got different bodies.
Speaker 1: So how do you prepare to be a person? Do
Speaker 1: you change your hair color?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How do you do all that stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, this is one of the other
Speaker 2: things that I take so seriously and being a stunt
Speaker 2: double for an actor is it's up to the stunt
Speaker 2: performer to do this and take it upon themselves to
Speaker 2: research the actor and watch their where they move and
Speaker 2: the way they walk and the way they talk, all
Speaker 2: of their menerisms. You know, that's part and parcel of
Speaker 2: being a stunt double. It's not just being able to
Speaker 2: do the stunts, but you need to do everything that.
Speaker 2: In my eyes, you need to be able to try
Speaker 2: and do everything that they do, which will make you
Speaker 2: a better stunt performer. So time, at twenty three, I
Speaker 2: was a lot smaller, more of a gymnast physique, a
Speaker 2: lot slimmer. Daniel's so lean did it work perfect? But
Speaker 2: now you know, I've been Chris is stunt double for
Speaker 2: ten years and he's a man mountain. I've had to
Speaker 2: build a lot of weight, you know, like a lot
Speaker 2: of training, be in the gym most of the time,
Speaker 2: so you know I'd be too big to double Daniel Craig.
Speaker 2: Now I'd have to go away for six months or
Speaker 2: maybe not six months, three months and lose a lot
Speaker 2: of weight and just go running on the street a
Speaker 2: lot more cardio. But it's fine. Getting the job as
Speaker 2: a stunt performer, it's then it's fine. It's an amazing
Speaker 2: achievement to get the job, but it's about keeping it.
Speaker 2: It's more important once you've got it. You're now in
Speaker 2: the light of people watching. So it's up to you
Speaker 2: to continue to grow and try and be the be
Speaker 2: the best time performer you can be, and monitor watch
Speaker 2: those actors and how they do things. And you know,
Speaker 2: that's what I've been doing every time I've stunt doubled
Speaker 2: with an actor, and that's what I do with Chris
Speaker 2: and I have done for ten years. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's weird. I'll watch them and analyze the way they
Speaker 2: do it everything. So it's I think it's so important.
Speaker 2: I think anyway for a something forward.
Speaker 1: To do that, it's so cool. It's like the same
Speaker 1: thing is when an actor is playing someone really famous
Speaker 1: that they go and watch all of their news interviews
Speaker 1: and everything they've ever done to kind of mimic their
Speaker 1: voice and mimic you know, you're doing the same thing
Speaker 1: in preparation to be the seamlessly step in to be
Speaker 1: someone that is so cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Do you have any hardest scenes you've ever done? And
Speaker 1: then favorite scenes you've ever done across all the movie like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you've been in seriously some incredible blockbusters. Are
Speaker 1: any of your absolute favorites and then you're absolute hardest.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I stunt double for Batman Christian Baane in The
Speaker 2: Dark Knight Rises with Chris Nolan, who is you know,
Speaker 2: one of my favorite directors on the planet. A very
Speaker 2: good friend of mine was to stunt a arranger called
Speaker 2: Buster Reeves. He was doubling Bain. He actually double Christian
Speaker 2: band on the first two I double Christian and Batman
Speaker 2: on the last one, and he was doubling Bain because
Speaker 2: he was the fight arranger. He had to choreograph this
Speaker 2: big fight sequence between and Batman and it was in
Speaker 2: the streets, in the streets of New York, up the stairs,
Speaker 2: and it was one hundred and fourteen move fight that
Speaker 2: we had to remember choreography. At that point in my career,
Speaker 2: I was twenty five, I think twenty five going into
Speaker 2: twenty six or just turn twenty six, so I still
Speaker 2: fairly knew, you know, and fighting at the time was
Speaker 2: not something I'd done a massive amount of on screen,
Speaker 2: but learning from him, and I've learned from some of
Speaker 2: the best fight guys on the planet. Luckily for me,
Speaker 2: another good friend of mine, Ben Cook, is also an
Speaker 2: amazing fight guy. So just to learn that choreography and
Speaker 2: make sure it's on time, it's almost a you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a dance. You're doing a dance with someone,
Speaker 2: and you know, the more you do it, the more repetition,
Speaker 2: the more you rehearse it, you get to know their
Speaker 2: you know the way they move. And so that was
Speaker 2: something I'm very proud of it. It was something that like
Speaker 2: to again step out my comfort zone. You know, my
Speaker 2: speciality is gymnastic, trampling, high diving, and then I'm doing
Speaker 2: something it's not and that self doubt comes in and
Speaker 2: you know, shit that maybe they used the guys and
Speaker 2: known for being the best fight guys. It was so
Speaker 2: good in that and he'd say to me, listen for
Speaker 2: every faith in you that you can do this, just
Speaker 2: work hard and you know, listen to what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We'll do this together. And by the end. It was amazing,
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing. We can remember the fights. We did it
Speaker 2: all in one take once, like the whole thing, you know,
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. It was like one hundred degrees in the
Speaker 2: batsuit and it was so hot, and we did the
Speaker 2: whole lot. It was incredible. So I'm very proud of that,
Speaker 2: you know. And at the end of that movie, or
Speaker 2: halfway through the movie, it was actually the end of
Speaker 2: our shoot, because sometimes they shoot out of schedule. We
Speaker 2: were in New York and the sun was setting and
Speaker 2: we climb, we actually free climb up the Manhattan Bridge
Speaker 2: and I was standing on the Manhattan Bridge in the
Speaker 2: batsuit while Smolan was circling at three sixty with my
Speaker 2: boss with a camera on it in the helicopter while
Speaker 2: I was standing in the batsuit. And it's the iconic
Speaker 2: shot of him regaining his strength back and becoming Batman again,
Speaker 2: and it was me up there. And so the last
Speaker 2: time that that suit was warm. It goes into the
Speaker 2: Batman Museum, and because Christian Band had finished all of
Speaker 2: his scenes in the suit at that point, it's almost
Speaker 2: like the last shot of the movie. For me. It
Speaker 2: was an amazing moment that you couldn't have written it
Speaker 2: was incredible for me to do that, you know, and
Speaker 2: that was not maybe the hardest stunt in the world,
Speaker 2: but has something to be very proud of and go,
Speaker 2: this is incredible and there's not often you get to
Speaker 2: do that, and then you know, watch a shot on
Speaker 2: the film and you're like, that's me. It's like, I'm
Speaker 2: very proud of that, and you know, and then we
Speaker 2: fast forward to extraction and there's a stunt we did
Speaker 2: I won the Tourist World Stunt Award for the Hardest
Speaker 2: Hit where me and another guy, another stunt guy, we
Speaker 2: come off the balcony onto the awning, we hit the truck,
Speaker 2: we hit the road, we stand up. There's a bit
Speaker 2: of a fight that I get hit by a car
Speaker 2: and we do that as one section and it just
Speaker 2: won this year or last year of the Tourist Stunt
Speaker 2: the awards for hardest Hit and we won Best Fight
Speaker 2: as well, so you know, massively proud. And they're on
Speaker 2: completely different ends of the spectrum where it's you know,
Speaker 2: the fight is something that's you know, it's more of
Speaker 2: a dance, and then you go into something where it's
Speaker 2: bash bash crash, and it's you know, it could be
Speaker 2: way more dangerous. You can hurt yourself a lot more.
Speaker 2: But I actually felt more comfortable in that zone than
Speaker 2: I did in the fight. So I just needed to
Speaker 2: bring my fight stuff up, believe in myself, keep rehearsing,
Speaker 2: have it in my head, you know. And now I've
Speaker 2: fast forward, I've done don't do lots and lots of
Speaker 2: fight stuff.
Speaker 1: That is so cool. Is there a real difference between
Speaker 1: actors in how much they want to do themselves versus
Speaker 1: how much they get you to do, Like, how do
Speaker 1: they choose and how do you balance that out?
Speaker 2: I think I can only speak from my experience with
Speaker 2: you know, with the actors I've worked with, but you know,
Speaker 2: for example, with Chris, with him for ten years, he
Speaker 2: is more athletic than most. Don't rights if he wasn't
Speaker 2: a successful actor, it would be an incredible stunt. He
Speaker 2: can do everything. But I think what we try and do,
Speaker 2: and especially nowadays, is that the actor will say, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to do everything. But then it comes down to,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to really be strategic on this film
Speaker 2: to say they say, we've got four months to shoot
Speaker 2: this movie. Five months. We have action unit, which is
Speaker 2: where we do the stunt, second unit where they've got
Speaker 2: a splinter unit where they do pick up shots, and
Speaker 2: then you've also got main unit, the talking heads unit,
Speaker 2: the acting unit. So you have someone the second idea
Speaker 2: being the trailer like scheduling him how we can get
Speaker 2: the actor over to this unit where we do this.
Speaker 2: That's it's a real it's a big, big engine and
Speaker 2: people a machine for for all these things, these to
Speaker 2: tick all these boxes and get you know, all these
Speaker 2: cogs to work. And it also comes down to an
Speaker 2: insurance thing, like if Chris was to say, you know,
Speaker 2: you know he's and he's very good at the stone
Speaker 2: coordinators and mean and the relationship I've got with him,
Speaker 2: This one's I don't think you need to do this one.
Speaker 2: It's either going to be a big hit and I
Speaker 2: can do it's fine, or it's just not worth you
Speaker 2: you know, twisting an ank or rolling the knee whatever
Speaker 2: it is. Then to be sidelined for two months, three months.
Speaker 2: Then the production company has to stop and then the
Speaker 2: production then are in. You know, they've they've got a
Speaker 2: targets to meet dates to me, So that becomes a
Speaker 2: money thing, you know, you know, lose a lot of money.
Speaker 2: If your actors out for three months and they've got
Speaker 2: a release date, that's now get pushed. Locations that you've
Speaker 2: got in that time friend, they are you know, we
Speaker 2: can't use that location in two months because another film's
Speaker 2: got it. There's so many working elements that people don't
Speaker 2: see in the background to make things work. So it's
Speaker 2: really important to bring you know, the best team you
Speaker 2: know together as possible, you know, and make everything work together.
Speaker 2: And so that's you know, as a stunt double, I'll
Speaker 2: go and work an action unit while Chris is doing
Speaker 2: like a very intensive acting scene, and then we'll then
Speaker 2: grab pieces we need for him close ups in the
Speaker 2: action scene. You know, it might be a week or
Speaker 2: two weeks later. And if you're teaching the fights, teach
Speaker 2: other actors or the fights in the choreography. So it
Speaker 2: really comes into it's about being strategic, Like it's just
Speaker 2: not worth an actor getting injured for you know, and
Speaker 2: then you know, being out for three months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so crazy. Do you ever watch back scenes
Speaker 1: where they've cut in close ups of his face and
Speaker 1: then you're doing stuff and you do you ever like
Speaker 1: not actually know which one of you It is, like
Speaker 1: if there's bits where he kind of does some of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for me, I always know what's me
Speaker 2: and I always know what's him, and the same with
Speaker 2: him as well. I think weirdly we both know him.
Speaker 2: I think most actors and some doubles do because you
Speaker 2: know that sequence that you did, Yeah, and I just know,
Speaker 2: you know, I always have to watch playback at what
Speaker 2: I've done and you know I don't like that piece.
Speaker 2: I should have done that better. I can do this
Speaker 2: a bit different. So you analyze things and break it
Speaker 2: down such small increments that I know, I know what
Speaker 2: stuff's mean and I know what stuff's in. But there
Speaker 2: are you know, listen, there's there's been times where we
Speaker 2: both have gone is that mear you? But it might
Speaker 2: be a real flash, a very very small, small moment.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think it's luckily. Luckily for me,
Speaker 2: I've got away over it for ten years with him.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, they are the loveliest guys ever. Were you
Speaker 1: how they do their New Year's party every year?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We went to one. We went to two of them.
Speaker 1: Because our have you met Mark Philip Pelli.
Speaker 2: Mark Philip Early, I don't think I have, Because if
Speaker 2: you if you go to two of them. You just
Speaker 2: didn't go to this year as well, because I went
Speaker 2: to this year's one, but not the two years before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have we went in twenty Oh my gosh, I
Speaker 1: can't even remember the one in San Diego in La
Speaker 1: Joya and then the Byron won the year before that.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, so with Tedne Michelle who was in
Speaker 2: San Diego with it? Michelle?
Speaker 1: Then yeah was it? Were you there the gold Mine?
Speaker 2: No? I wasn't there for that, but I was just
Speaker 2: there for the We just went to I Beefa this year,
Speaker 2: just gone for.
Speaker 1: New Year amazing. So our one, our business partner in
Speaker 1: our cafe, Mark Philippelli. He's really good friends with Craig
Speaker 1: and Leoni and by default the boys because they used
Speaker 1: to live across the road from his first cafe, and
Speaker 1: so we ended up at the La Joya party and
Speaker 1: then in Byron and they're just like you think they're
Speaker 1: going to be the nicest guys ever, but they are
Speaker 1: all time, Yeah, like even better than you can ever imagine.
Speaker 1: So friendly.
Speaker 2: Craigan Loans. They're like my second parents, are they really? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They're literally Craigan Loans are like you know, I'll see
Speaker 2: loans in for the thor premiere and then I think
Speaker 2: she's coming to Europe, so I'll hang out with there
Speaker 2: hopefully at some point wherever she you know, she ends
Speaker 2: up and depends all right work schedule. But they was
Speaker 2: calling me their fourth son, so.
Speaker 1: You could totally be at handsworth. They please send them
Speaker 1: our love. They're just the loveliest family and I love that,
Speaker 1: you know, all their school friends come with them, like
Speaker 1: Zochi and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're not family, yeah for me?
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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, so incredible stunt career. I think it's interesting again,
Speaker 1: like sometimes when you hit a dream, especially when you
Speaker 1: didn't even know that you were going to have how
Speaker 1: do you know when there's a new chapter coming up?
Speaker 1: Like you know, you don't want to ever not challenge
Speaker 1: yourself when there's a chance to do something new, but
Speaker 1: you also, you know, don't want to throw away something
Speaker 1: that you're doing that's amazing. How did you decide to
Speaker 1: do a children's book?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Where on earth did that come from? Out of all
Speaker 1: of this? Like you're in Hollywood? Why did you just
Speaker 1: write a book?
Speaker 2: It came from? And this is me going back to,
Speaker 2: you know, being a kid and being naughty and I
Speaker 2: was terrible at school. Just wasn't academic. It's not something
Speaker 2: I was good at. And if you know, I think
Speaker 2: as kids, if you're not if you're not good at it,
Speaker 2: straight away, you don't want to do it because you're
Speaker 2: you know, you want to do things that you're good at.
Speaker 2: And I just wasn't very good at and you know,
Speaker 2: very open to say that, you know, I wish I
Speaker 2: did better, I wish I listened more. Just wasn't my thing.
Speaker 2: But I just had in my mind that I don't
Speaker 2: need to go. I want to go to the Olympics,
Speaker 2: and look how that can go wrong. You know, Okay,
Speaker 2: It's put me in great step for what I do now,
Speaker 2: and I would never take it back. But there's many
Speaker 2: times about we talk about self doubt and things that
Speaker 2: I should know that I don't and if I had
Speaker 2: been better at score, I would know, and I think
Speaker 2: what actually happened, and it was a rule I don't know.
Speaker 2: For me is I had major back surgery after extraction
Speaker 2: one in twenty nineteen. March twenty nineteen, I had huge
Speaker 2: back surgery. So I have two titanium discs at my
Speaker 2: lower level L four L five S one level. And
Speaker 2: we kind of planned that with Chris's schedule because after extraction,
Speaker 2: you'd been working so hard for so many years. He
Speaker 2: wanted to take the best part of a year off.
Speaker 2: This surgery was going to be between six to eight
Speaker 2: nine months of recovery and throughout my career. Luckily for me,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not complaining about this, but you know,
Speaker 2: I hadn't had any time off, and it got to
Speaker 2: that point I was like, Okay, now it's time to
Speaker 2: have this surgery because it's just getting worse and worse
Speaker 2: and worse. And my discs they degenerated, and they got
Speaker 2: so bad that they were literally just vertebrae on vertebrae.
Speaker 2: They'd gone through every stage of the generation on the
Speaker 2: discs that you know. I spoke to a surgeon and
Speaker 2: he said, look, come to me. We'll cut you open,
Speaker 2: we'll put too tight a and this in there, and
Speaker 2: you'll be back to doing what you do at the
Speaker 2: highest level within six to nine months. And I was
Speaker 2: just like, look, this is a no brainer. Chris is
Speaker 2: going to take some time off. It's going to get
Speaker 2: me fit again. I can go back to my job hopefully.
Speaker 2: But what you don't prepare yourself for. I knew it
Speaker 2: was going to be physically difficult to rehab and recover.
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be difficult. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize how if it would be. But hand in hand
Speaker 2: with that, if not worse, was how difficult it be mentally.
Speaker 2: I really did not prepare myself for that. I didn't
Speaker 2: know and I think self doubt kicks in when you're
Speaker 2: so busy all the time. You have this surgery and
Speaker 2: you're not mobile, you can't move, and that's my bread
Speaker 2: and butter, that's me, that's that part of who I
Speaker 2: am is my job, and I'm very proud of that.
Speaker 2: But then it kind of sets in the self doubt.
Speaker 2: There's so much time on your hands. Shit, what happens
Speaker 2: if this has gone wrong? Because I would, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm a worrier anyway, so you know, I'd text
Speaker 2: my surgeon. I'd be like, this has happened, Like you know,
Speaker 2: it doesn't oh if it was walked down the stairs,
Speaker 2: and he's like, don't worry, don't worry. It's part of
Speaker 2: the process. Your body's getting used to this. But you
Speaker 2: just you know, I was sleepless night. There was in
Speaker 2: so much pain. Was there a lot of painkillers to
Speaker 2: try and and they don't help. And I know I
Speaker 2: was that Lewis end. They really didn't know what I'd
Speaker 2: do in it. And I think that was when for
Speaker 2: the first time for me, it felt like, shit, if
Speaker 2: this does go wrong and I can't go back to
Speaker 2: what I do, then what will I do? And not
Speaker 2: to say that I chose to write this book because
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to be the next JK. Rowling.
Speaker 2: Because that's not the case yet. Yeah, it was more.
Speaker 2: I laid in bed and Antoinette, you know, a very
Speaker 2: good friend of mine, she was the Center publicist at
Speaker 2: the time. She just said to me, because she's you know,
Speaker 2: she's so upbeat, and she's so like you know, and
Speaker 2: that's what I love about it. She's so positive. She's like,
Speaker 2: what do you write a book like? It was like
Speaker 2: something that could could be done easily. And I was,
Speaker 2: what do you mean walking on? I think I can
Speaker 2: barely spell my name? What do you mean write a
Speaker 2: book like this is? You know? And she's like, you
Speaker 2: know what she said to me, I love She said, Listen,
Speaker 2: no one cares at this stage if you make some
Speaker 2: spending mistakes. Well the Puncholli is not right, you know, no
Speaker 2: one really cares about that. It's about the story you
Speaker 2: have in your head that you can just write down,
Speaker 2: and your experiences you've drawn on to become a successful
Speaker 2: stump with woman, the things that happen as a young
Speaker 2: kid growing up in their self doubt and all those type
Speaker 2: of things. And I kind of That's what I sat
Speaker 2: back and thought, Okay, I'm not really although you've writ
Speaker 2: in the book it's not. It's basically just drawing on experiences.
Speaker 2: And then what would motivate me? What? What wouldn't want
Speaker 2: to make me do something that I can help inspire
Speaker 2: other people and other children. And my stepdaughter Taylor you know,
Speaker 2: inspired me. My little nephew Eddie.
Speaker 1: Oh it's named after him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The book is called the Adventures of Flip Boy
Speaker 2: and Eddie, and that's my nephew. I sent our illustrator
Speaker 2: the pictures of him and she basically made, you know,
Speaker 2: made him come to life. But it was kind of
Speaker 2: I could draw from experiences from them and how kids
Speaker 2: are today and then how I was as a kid.
Speaker 2: And I think a blessing disguise for us. When we
Speaker 2: were kids, we didn't have internet, we didn't have phones,
Speaker 2: we didn't have iPads, we didn't have any of that.
Speaker 2: We have laptops, So what would we do with reboard?
Speaker 2: You go out and you play your mates, you'd run around.
Speaker 2: Is you know you were naturally fit as kids, because
Speaker 2: it actually didn't matter that when you were kids, because
Speaker 2: we didn't know much about nutrition back then either it
Speaker 2: was more about you could the energy that you'd burn off.
Speaker 2: It didn't matter what you ate. And I was then
Speaker 2: training in gymnastics and doing so much so I could
Speaker 2: get away of eat wherever I wanted, and again not
Speaker 2: knowing much about what you should and shouldn't need. So
Speaker 2: I just thought to myself, we have to obviously stick
Speaker 2: with the times. You're never going to get away from technology.
Speaker 2: And it is an amazing thing, but how can we
Speaker 2: go back to some of the basics that we had
Speaker 2: as kids and intertwine that with you know, technology, And
Speaker 2: it's such a fun book about discipline, knowing if you
Speaker 2: you know, if you work hard at something, you will
Speaker 2: achieve something and that makes you feel good. At the
Speaker 2: back of the book there's very basic tips on nutrition
Speaker 2: and basic tips on like a little training program you
Speaker 2: can do in your bedroom, star jumps, touch jumps, squad
Speaker 2: push ups, like basic things that any kid can do
Speaker 2: at home, but they just don't know. You know, you
Speaker 2: can do it with your parents. You're going to find
Speaker 2: and you don't have to be outside to do it.
Speaker 2: And there's just at the back of the books have
Speaker 2: those little natural a sorry, those little you know, informative
Speaker 2: little bits of information. They're very basic that kids can
Speaker 2: do is, you know, be on your iPad for an hour,
Speaker 2: but then you're going to do this little program for
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen minutes, and you know, eat a little
Speaker 2: bit better, and you know, be a bit more disciplined.
Speaker 2: At home. Your Mauma should have Go and brush your
Speaker 2: hair and brush your teeth and tidy your room. Go
Speaker 2: and do it like you know, it's part and parcel
Speaker 2: of you know. So you know, Eddie and the Book
Speaker 2: joins a martial arts class and gymnastics class because Flip
Speaker 2: Boy is his hero, and he watches him on the
Speaker 2: TV and on his iPad. That's all he does. And
Speaker 2: he sees Flipboy doing all these tricks and because he's
Speaker 2: a young kid and one must be able to do
Speaker 2: that because Flipbod does, he doesn't understand that you have
Speaker 2: to work hard to get to that stage. So he
Speaker 2: hurts himself and then he gets upset. He's like, why
Speaker 2: am I hurting myself doing this? And he bumps into
Speaker 2: Flip Boy and he's give him a little pep talk
Speaker 2: of you can't just look at something and think you
Speaker 2: can do it. You've got to work hard at it.
Speaker 2: And then in six months he's now training and because
Speaker 2: of he's gone to the gym and he's starting to
Speaker 2: learn to be more disciplined. He's training, he's getting results.
Speaker 2: That goes so hand in hand with you know, Eddie,
Speaker 2: you've got gymnastics in a minute, tidier room, yet mun trumpstairs,
Speaker 2: tiny's his room like he's got some kind of routine.
Speaker 2: And it's about kids having routines. And you know, just
Speaker 2: we all know that by eating better and exercise and
Speaker 2: just basic health and fitness is so good for you,
Speaker 2: not just physically but mentally as well. We all know that.
Speaker 2: It just it releads the doorphins in your mind and
Speaker 2: your upbeat. You have more energy. We know that. And
Speaker 2: I think this book is just a very basic for
Speaker 2: kids that between six and six and twelve years old
Speaker 2: that don't have heroes that they can look up to.
Speaker 2: I want them to look up to Flipball and say
Speaker 2: that's who I want to be and it's and it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they then go on and do something else.
Speaker 2: I can promise that by doing that from such a
Speaker 2: young age, or doing that as a kid, it will
Speaker 2: put you in good stead to do anything else that
Speaker 2: you want to do and that is a fun book
Speaker 2: and it's just to get kids to be as more
Speaker 2: active and healthy as possible. That's that's my main aim
Speaker 2: for this book. So that's why they decided in the end,
Speaker 2: you know, with the black back in from Antoinette, to
Speaker 2: give it a go. And it was me again, as
Speaker 2: an adult, do I do this? Do I step up?
Speaker 2: So I'm a comfort zone. You know, I'm successful at
Speaker 2: what I do now. You know, I've worked so hard
Speaker 2: to get to there and gone through so many obstacles
Speaker 2: and adversity to get to there. Do I know want
Speaker 2: to strip it back and try something else and then
Speaker 2: get you know, turned down for that? It's you know,
Speaker 2: but I'm so thankful I did. It's the best thing,
Speaker 2: you know, I ever did. And you know, I've got
Speaker 2: so many things that in the pipeline. We've got a
Speaker 2: great synopsis for you know. You know, if this book
Speaker 2: does well, we're going to bring a superhero girl into
Speaker 2: it and we can make it, you know, maybe book
Speaker 2: two and three, maybe make it a TV show. You know,
Speaker 2: I want to make it. You know, I want to
Speaker 2: try and make bring Flip Boy to life and Eddie
Speaker 2: as much as possible. So it was something I wanted to,
Speaker 2: you know, give back a little bit in a way.
Speaker 1: I love that so much. It's really interesting that this
Speaker 1: came up sort of in the week of men's health work,
Speaker 1: because I think one of the things that is the
Speaker 1: theme about conversations for men and any of the things
Speaker 1: that they go through in their health and wellness and
Speaker 1: mental health and wellness is to start the conversation when
Speaker 1: they're younger, to talk to them when they boys, like
Speaker 1: how do we teach our boys how to do that?
Speaker 1: And young girls as well, but particularly you know in
Speaker 1: mental health week that it's it's interesting that talking to
Speaker 1: kids about basic things when they're younger and giving them
Speaker 1: the resources to get excited about being well and fit
Speaker 1: and active and drawing on the superhero thing because for
Speaker 1: older boys, older men, but also sort of teenage boys
Speaker 1: and stuff, like you as a superhero doing stunts is
Speaker 1: is straightforward. But for a younger boy like Flip Boy
Speaker 1: being the superhero, it's so beautiful that you've translated it
Speaker 1: into a really fun and exciting and so wholesome. I mean,
Speaker 1: how sweet that little Eddy's like watching Flip Boy on
Speaker 1: his on his iPad and it's modern but it does
Speaker 1: kind of draw on your own childhood. I think it's
Speaker 1: so exciting, like one an amazing thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, hopefully it does great. And I can
Speaker 2: you know, just sem my step daughter Taylor, she'll be
Speaker 2: she'll be the superhero girl and the next one.
Speaker 1: Hopefully, oh my gosh, and you know what it's So
Speaker 1: the last section of the podcast is playta, which is
Speaker 1: the whole idea that you know, outside of your working
Speaker 1: identity and your productive identity, which is what we just
Speaker 1: talked about, stripping back who you are when you're at
Speaker 1: work and you're kicking goals, and you know, we get
Speaker 1: so wrapped up in success being you know what we do,
Speaker 1: being who we are, and not having any identity outside
Speaker 1: of that. So it's interesting to me that this idea,
Speaker 1: like the biggest new idea you've had in the last what,
Speaker 1: you know, how long you've been doing stunts fifteen years,
Speaker 1: was when you took a break from it. You know,
Speaker 1: you couldn't you didn't have space to have a fresh
Speaker 1: idea until you step away. And I think maybe you
Speaker 1: don't need to take a year off or like ten
Speaker 1: months to have a surgery to do that. But I
Speaker 1: think people think that if they take a step back,
Speaker 1: they'll they won't be able to catch up, or they'll
Speaker 1: fall behind, or you know that you just need to
Speaker 1: be go, go go all the time. But my best
Speaker 1: ideas are always when I take a weekend off or
Speaker 1: a week off or a day off, like it's getting
Speaker 1: distance that you get fresh ideas and perspective. And that's
Speaker 1: when this idea came to you, when you couldn't do
Speaker 1: anything else. I find that really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's so true, Sah, because I probably if
Speaker 2: I hadn't earn it bad back and I didn't need
Speaker 2: the surgery, then this wouldn't the book wouldn't be here.
Speaker 2: It is exactly that, because you do fear of oh shit,
Speaker 2: if I step out of this, someone else can take
Speaker 2: my spot. So you know, if I step out of this,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to come back and
Speaker 2: catch up. It's exactly right what you said, and it's
Speaker 2: just proof that proof in the pudd in that if
Speaker 2: you do do it, and you do take that time off,
Speaker 2: and you do try and explore and expand, great things
Speaker 2: can come from that. And I think this time round again,
Speaker 2: you know, I finished extraction two with Chris and the
Speaker 2: team in Prague at the end of March. You know,
Speaker 2: it's time to take a little bit of time out
Speaker 2: because we you know, hopefully this year we have a
Speaker 2: few of us film coming out as our acting dabut
Speaker 2: as well as doing our own stunts. Yeah, an action
Speaker 2: comedy called School Fight, which is so much fun, so funny.
Speaker 2: We actually shot it and again it was it was
Speaker 2: just after I wrote Flip Boy. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: working with Chris. I couldn't be too physical. So my
Speaker 2: friend who was a very good friend of mine, Damian Waters.
Speaker 2: He's like a YouTube pioneer. He was five time world
Speaker 2: champion tumbler. He's doubled for Captain America in right Stunts.
Speaker 2: He wrote and directed this film and asked me to
Speaker 2: play the lead villain and then we've got my two
Speaker 2: other buddies for the two leads in it. And it
Speaker 2: would ended up being the best experience of my whole
Speaker 2: entire life. And I wouldn't have done that again if
Speaker 2: I hadn't have had that back surgery and taking a
Speaker 2: bit of time out, because would have been doing a
Speaker 2: big blockbuster movie. And we just made it ourselves. We
Speaker 2: actually made it. You know, they put up the money
Speaker 2: for it to make it, but it's a very low
Speaker 2: budget and I think when you see it you'll just
Speaker 2: be like, holy shit.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know, Matthew Vaughan is on board. He picked it up,
Speaker 2: he loved what he saw, and you know it's been
Speaker 2: finished in post to the highest level. So you know,
Speaker 2: I'm excited for that. And I think I took some
Speaker 2: time off after extraction in March because hopefully, you know,
Speaker 2: we have the meetings, we're trying to pull things together
Speaker 2: to make another one, and that's what we want to
Speaker 2: do now. So you know, two amazing things have come
Speaker 2: out of taking a step back, and it was only
Speaker 2: because of the injury and that time on my own
Speaker 2: to really reflect and try other things that these two
Speaker 2: new huge adventures could you know, be life changing. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think if anyone can learn anything from this podcast
Speaker 2: today is yeah, just go for it, give it a go,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't work out, you've learnt something from it,
Speaker 2: and go back again if you and try harder next time,
Speaker 2: or use those mistakes as positives to learn and just
Speaker 2: and give it go. I mean, I'm so glad I
Speaker 2: gave both of those things a go and you know,
Speaker 2: there's some big things happening.
Speaker 1: In the Hope, so exciting. And I think also like
Speaker 1: the idea that you know, often you find yourself in
Speaker 1: a really tough time, like with your back, you know,
Speaker 1: not being able to do anything, and all the things
Speaker 1: that make you you and that make you feel good
Speaker 1: having those stripped away. It was like a forced way
Speaker 1: to create space. But once you've had that experience, you realize,
Speaker 1: I can actually choose to put that space in my life.
Speaker 1: I can actually choose to kind of build into my
Speaker 1: schedule time to play, time to give my brain a
Speaker 1: break so that I can have these new ideas more,
Speaker 1: because otherwise you just get on that productivity hamster wheel
Speaker 1: and you do the same thing over and over and
Speaker 1: it might be something really good, but you don't know
Speaker 1: what you're missing out on. Until you know you actually do,
Speaker 1: you just give it a go. So you mentioned you've
Speaker 1: taken a little bit of time off after years of
Speaker 1: not having any time off, which again is amazing that
Speaker 1: you've been in such demand, but now that you are
Speaker 1: kind of building in a bit of downtime, a bit
Speaker 1: of time for play. You mentioned you have a step daughter,
Speaker 1: and I imagine being around children kind of brings that
Speaker 1: you know as adults ahead is like what am I
Speaker 1: doing next year? And five years time? As my five
Speaker 1: year plan? But kids are so like in the now?
Speaker 1: How do you play? What do you do when you're
Speaker 1: just like, you don't care about the productive outcome, You're
Speaker 1: not worried about success. You're just for the pure joy
Speaker 1: of life. What do you do? Do you watch? Do
Speaker 1: you watch Netflix? Like? Do you want to watch TV?
Speaker 1: Are you done with TV?
Speaker 2: You know what's so funny because people are always like, wow,
Speaker 2: you know it, stunt guy, adrenaline junkie, and you love
Speaker 2: to you must be when you're not working, you can
Speaker 2: out skydiving, work type of stuff. I think because I've
Speaker 2: been so busy for fifteen years and it's long, long days,
Speaker 2: long hours, you know, just going out for a nice
Speaker 2: relaxing dinner and a glass of wine and a great
Speaker 2: bit of food, and you know, hanging out with friends
Speaker 2: and chilling out and resting and watching I watch football
Speaker 2: and I love the UFC and all these things that
Speaker 2: I don't really get to do as much of when
Speaker 2: I'm working six days a week. Sometimes sometimes I have
Speaker 2: to you're up at four or five thirty in the
Speaker 2: up between four and five in the morning, drive to
Speaker 2: the studio, hair and makeup, you don't finished, or eight
Speaker 2: or nine, you've got a train, just go to you basically,
Speaker 2: come at, eat and go at it. Very committed to
Speaker 2: the job, so on downtime I actually try and especially
Speaker 2: at the beginning of part of the downtime, depending on
Speaker 2: how long I've got is I want to just relax
Speaker 2: and chill out, the do the simple things and you know,
Speaker 2: see friends have nice dinners, catch up with people that
Speaker 2: haven't been able to, you know, see for a while.
Speaker 2: And then you know, depending on how long I've got off,
Speaker 2: you know, I have a nice little hole of their
Speaker 2: way relax in and you know, maybe again and come back.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to go and do this. This is
Speaker 2: a good adventure. I want to go and try and
Speaker 2: do this. And I think, you know, I'm very lucky
Speaker 2: to be able to do that as well financially, because
Speaker 2: I've worked so hard and so much. You know, you
Speaker 2: can get to do some great things. So I actually
Speaker 2: probably chill out, which people don't think or may not
Speaker 2: think that these hide you know, octane stunt people that
Speaker 2: love jumping around like Craze did it on my time off.
Speaker 2: It's that I want to do the opposite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like the last thing you want to do. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's also the case for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Is like the what they do as a job, they
Speaker 1: love it, but as soon as they've got time off,
Speaker 1: like you want to do the opposite of that thing,
Speaker 1: because you just you get so much of it that
Speaker 1: you need to unwind and like and let your body break.
Speaker 1: Like your body must get so tired.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, recover from a few injuries and knocks,
Speaker 2: and you know, I'll still go and train. I'll go
Speaker 2: and keep maintenance on the body. And you know, if
Speaker 2: I can get down to the gym and doing it
Speaker 2: with gymnastics to brush up some skills or go kick
Speaker 2: boxing or boxing or whatever it is, get the gym
Speaker 2: and still try and eat as healthily as possibly can
Speaker 2: on my downtime. You know, I might have told you
Speaker 2: a little bit more chocolate and crisps and whatever, but
Speaker 2: generally it's it's great to have that downtime to like
Speaker 2: you said, rest your mind, your body and then recoup
Speaker 2: and then come back strong with it. I think it's important.
Speaker 2: Downtime is so Important's underrated.
Speaker 1: Do you find this is another random question I just
Speaker 1: thought of now in light of this Men's Men's Health Week.
Speaker 1: My husband was an athlete. He was at Luffbra actually,
Speaker 1: which is how he knew the lads from this wedding,
Speaker 1: and was a hurdler and then retired when he was
Speaker 1: got constantly injured. And one of the things that's been
Speaker 1: really like that was really hard in the transition that
Speaker 1: often you don't kind of get sports psychologied out of
Speaker 1: is you know, you're getting your skin rolls measured every
Speaker 1: two minutes, and the pressure on your physical appearance is
Speaker 1: so high, let alone when then you're in Hollywood all
Speaker 1: the time. It's interesting that there's so much discussion among
Speaker 1: women with body dysmorphia and confidence and all that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, but it's not really spoken about that much
Speaker 1: for men, even though there is as much pressure for
Speaker 1: men to have an eight pack all the time. And
Speaker 1: then add that you're playing Batman and you know, like
Speaker 1: James Bond and and you know whatever Chris is, do
Speaker 1: you thaw like you know you've got to Does that
Speaker 1: ever get to you? You find that difficult when you
Speaker 1: do want to rest, but you're like, but I need
Speaker 1: to get to the gym or I can't like eat
Speaker 1: these because do you find.
Speaker 2: That it's very hard? I would be I'm not going
Speaker 2: to lie, very very hard. It's my last fifteen years
Speaker 2: is to train to look like someone else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so is.
Speaker 2: It part of me now? And sometimes my friends and
Speaker 2: I help, don't worry. It's not going to matter, you have.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't, I can't, you know, I need
Speaker 2: to stay on level ground so it can give myself,
Speaker 2: you know, a six week period to ever lose weight
Speaker 2: or put it on like it really is and listen.
Speaker 2: I think, once this is all over, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be really really fat, and I'll enjoy it. I'll enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I'll just be like I deserve this because the whole
Speaker 2: career has been you know, exactly that calorie counting, watching
Speaker 2: you wait, trying to look like someone else. Let's be honest,
Speaker 2: Dublin Chris Hemsworth for the last ten years, like they've
Speaker 2: got the best Physeke in Hollywood. It's just not really
Speaker 2: nice for me to be like, shit, why did it
Speaker 2: have to be him? You know, It's like it's so tough,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's it takes a lot of real
Speaker 2: power and discipline, and like I said, I'm I'm there
Speaker 2: near as strict as i'd like to be, because sometimes
Speaker 2: I'm like, do you know what a bit of chocolate
Speaker 2: and it's like crav it and you have it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's tough. I think I've been lucky that I've like
Speaker 2: I go back to the gymnastic days that I had
Speaker 2: that great skeleton of work that I could build around,
Speaker 2: and I know that if I really do turn it
Speaker 2: up and become real strict, I can get results very quickly.
Speaker 2: But they also go very quickly as well if you
Speaker 2: don't if you don't watch what you eat. So it's
Speaker 2: one hundred percent like Pott dysmorphia has been a big
Speaker 2: thing in my career for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting because for you know, for the
Speaker 1: average lay person, it's kind of like, you know what,
Speaker 1: no one's kind of notice like no one sees me naked,
Speaker 1: you know, like no one is going to tell if
Speaker 1: I put on like half a kilo. For you, it's
Speaker 1: like no, I mean, like millions of people are going
Speaker 1: to see my bart every day. I can imagine the
Speaker 1: stakes are so much higher, it would be it will
Speaker 1: be really hard but obviously not without benefits either, And
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you blow out afterwards.
Speaker 2: You'll just be like, ah, enjoy it, enjoy it well.
Speaker 1: Second last question, just to finish out, what are three
Speaker 1: interesting things about you that don't normally come up in
Speaker 1: conversation or interviews, like weird allergies or sleeping habits or
Speaker 1: tattoos like who people who live with you would know them,
Speaker 1: but no one else would know.
Speaker 2: I think I didn't know this. But when I sleep,
Speaker 2: I kick around a lot, which I I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's.
Speaker 1: Like doing a fight scene in your sleep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if that's because of the job.
Speaker 2: It's so much like and I go home and I
Speaker 2: go to sleep, and I'm still like kicking around. I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know why I do it. Obviously don't
Speaker 2: know I do it, So that would definitely be one
Speaker 2: of them. And I think, you know, some people say
Speaker 2: to me fidget, and I get, you know, fidget in
Speaker 2: my in my sleep. But even when I'm you know,
Speaker 2: watching a film, or I'll slap my leg or lift
Speaker 2: my leg like I'm always moving. I can't just sit
Speaker 2: down and relax. So that's that's quite funny. I just
Speaker 2: I guess that's just because it's my whole life has
Speaker 2: been that, you know, and I guess people you know again,
Speaker 2: just I want to probably relax more than most and
Speaker 2: I will. I'll binge and watch, you know, if something's
Speaker 2: really good on Netflix or whatever the show may be.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to sit and watch like six episodes in
Speaker 2: one go and you know, eat a bag of the
Speaker 2: egos like it's I'd actually say it's probably one. I mean,
Speaker 2: I listen. I love going out for lovely dinners, like
Speaker 2: Noboo is my favorite restaurant on the planet. Same, it's
Speaker 2: my favorite on the planet. I love. That's why I
Speaker 2: love to do, is go for nice dinners. I have
Speaker 2: a nice glass or one whatever. But I'm quite as happy,
Speaker 2: just as happy sometimes to you know, get a tie
Speaker 2: takeaway or whatever at home and have a beer and
Speaker 2: what like in the comfort of your home, like go
Speaker 2: into the cinema. Again, I love doing that, but you
Speaker 2: know you do at home. You can just pause it,
Speaker 2: you can you can go and do something, you can
Speaker 2: go to the bathroom, you can come back here the
Speaker 2: comfort own of your own home. I think comfort, I
Speaker 2: think for me is really important. Comfort for sure, that's
Speaker 2: I think that's probably the third thing is comfort.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you and my husband are so similar.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm watching a movie, but you know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't like cinemas because he can't do eight hundred other
Speaker 1: things at the same time as watching the movie. When
Speaker 1: is it cinema? He's got to only watch the movie,
Speaker 1: whereas at home is like building a lego, drilling some
Speaker 1: like making some shed from scratch, and like also like
Speaker 1: research and I don't know, he's doing like eight hundred
Speaker 1: things at once all the time. It's like, what I'm chilling.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you are not chilling, you're doing any other things. Also,
Speaker 1: have you stated that there's a Nobu hotel in London?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got You've got so You've got Portman Square,
Speaker 2: which is the dob Hotel. There's one in Shortage but
Speaker 2: shut at the moment. I don't watch shut And I
Speaker 2: think then there's one in Park Lane. So I think
Speaker 2: in London we've got three no boos and ones closed down.
Speaker 2: They are opening a new one soon.
Speaker 1: I did not know they had a hotel. It's like,
Speaker 1: does that mean that room service is Noboo? Because wow,
Speaker 1: is it actually? Shut up?
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, We've got two nights at the end,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, we haven't bold acommodation yet. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: should we say the black cord is like my favorite
Speaker 1: dish in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the black cod Yeah, but they now do black
Speaker 2: cod croquettes. Stop, trust me, go to the port Square
Speaker 2: is the neighbor hotel? Important Square is incredible?
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh my god, totally doing that. Oh, I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Two last questions. The first one is your favorite quote,
Speaker 1: and the second one is when and where can we
Speaker 1: get the book?
Speaker 2: Okay, favorite quote would have to be I think it's
Speaker 2: tattoo on my arm? Do stuff have fun? Be nice?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I love it? And basically the whole Hemsworth crew has it. Leone,
Speaker 2: He's got it. She's got that Tattooedi's got it, As
Speaker 2: has got it. I've got it, like we've the whole
Speaker 2: group has got that tattooed somewhere on their body. Do
Speaker 2: stuff have fun? Be nice?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I love that. That is so you guys just simple
Speaker 1: but just have a good life.
Speaker 2: So effective.
Speaker 1: Also, can you get a tattoo without Chris getting it
Speaker 1: in the same spot? Like, do you guys have to
Speaker 1: coordinate that or do you just get them all covered?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a wholese leave that I just decided
Speaker 2: halfway through Doublin. I think after like the year three
Speaker 2: or four, I want yet sleeve and he's like, the
Speaker 2: fuck are you talking about? I just always wanted one, Like,
Speaker 2: but the makeup so good at covering them up. They've
Speaker 2: got the special tattoo cover now and they can get like,
Speaker 2: you know, they can get that covered in twenty five
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. It's covered and they put this spray solution
Speaker 2: and it stays, you know, covered all day and then
Speaker 2: you have, you know, go and wash off. I mean, listen,
Speaker 2: it's funny because whenever I get a new one, because
Speaker 2: I went from like having a little band, then I
Speaker 2: did the three quarter, then I went down to the wrist,
Speaker 2: and then I did the hand and you just never stop.
Speaker 2: But people are just like it was so funny when
Speaker 2: I said to the boys, I'm going to get the
Speaker 2: hand and they're like, do you know what about tatoo?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hold on it. Do You're not realize
Speaker 2: for the last five years I've got my whole arm done.
Speaker 2: Doesn't really matter if you get that one little bit
Speaker 2: done on my hand, Is it really gonna matter that
Speaker 2: it's going to take an extra two minutes to cover
Speaker 2: that if they cover that? So's that was my kind
Speaker 2: of thing behind it. But some days I'm not lying it.
Speaker 2: Some days you kind of go off, Now it's going
Speaker 2: to take thirty minutes or whatever. So me and Chris
Speaker 2: haven't got the saying, well, he's got a couple now,
Speaker 2: but they're not the same ones. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I'm actually in the process of getting some taken off.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm kind of helping out again now
Speaker 2: because I'm taking some away and the ones that I
Speaker 2: I don't know, and it makes myself a bit that way.
Speaker 1: If he gets one, do you then have to get that,
Speaker 1: so you get all yours hidden, and then you have
Speaker 1: to get he's added on.
Speaker 2: Only if it's for the for the film and the scene.
Speaker 2: So his his ones that he's got that are actually
Speaker 2: his real tattoos, they're never really in the film. Okay,
Speaker 2: they get covered up himself. If we have tattoos, they
Speaker 2: cover him and then for the film we've got to
Speaker 2: put the other tattoos on top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, imagine before they had that makeup.
Speaker 1: You just wouldn't be out of body double unless you
Speaker 1: had nothing on your skin. You couldn't get a tattoo
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: No, No, yeah, exactly, I shouldn't do it. I shouldn't.
Speaker 2: I'm just very fortunate. I've got someone like Chris in
Speaker 2: my corner. That's you know, I'm in his contract, being
Speaker 2: in his contract for ten years, and he's like, look,
Speaker 2: that's my stand double, so this is what I want.
Speaker 2: Kind of lets me. You know, that means okay, well
Speaker 2: we have to cover it. Because if it is a
Speaker 2: choice and I wasn't with him, I'm sure production we'd
Speaker 2: be like, let's get someone else that we don't have
Speaker 2: to cover tattoos, like I think that would. So I
Speaker 2: think I'll be quite lucky.
Speaker 1: I love that you're a writer in this contract, like
Speaker 1: you want me? You get Bobby Sos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best. He's the great, great human on
Speaker 2: the planet. We've you know, it's one of my best powers.
Speaker 2: We've been working together for so long. I think we've
Speaker 2: done fifteen films together. We get on so well, and
Speaker 2: he's just so law and you know he's like, that's
Speaker 2: that's my stung guy. And you know we're going to
Speaker 2: take care of him. He's amazing, he's the best.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's a good egg. It's a great egg. And finally,
Speaker 1: where can we get the Adventures of Flipper and Eddie?
Speaker 2: So The Adventures of Eddie and Flip Boy. You can
Speaker 2: get it on sale on the twentieth of June. It's
Speaker 2: fifteen ninety nine online book Toopia, Amazon Books, QBD shops,
Speaker 2: dye Marks, Readings, most of the good book stores Amaze
Speaker 2: from the twentieth of June. So hopefully if this one
Speaker 2: does well, we get to make a few more.
Speaker 1: Oh how exciting. Well, this won't be coming out until
Speaker 1: after that date, so I'll make sure to pop a
Speaker 1: link in the show notes for anyone who's listening who
Speaker 1: wants to get a copy and see some of the
Speaker 1: you know, teasers and illustrations and how exciting. Congratulations, Thank
Speaker 1: you very much, Thank you for having me. Gosh, I
Speaker 1: pinch myself all the time at the people this show
Speaker 1: has connected me with. What a cool story Bobby has
Speaker 1: and the children's book is a pure delight, So much
Speaker 1: platio going on there. Of course, I'm guessing you'll also
Speaker 1: want some visuals of human actions, so along with where
Speaker 1: you can get the book. There are show reels and
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Speaker 1: Bobby for his time and energy sharing the episode. Screenshot
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