Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast.
Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters
Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to
Speaker 2: Momma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking
Speaker 2: about on Monday, the twelfth of August.
Speaker 1: I'm Holly Wayne Wright.
Speaker 3: I'm mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stephen.
Speaker 2: And on the show today, the Olympics is over and
Speaker 2: we have a lot to unpack. Notably, the entire world
Speaker 2: is talking, laughing and meaning about one Australian woman.
Speaker 1: We decode the ray gun phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Plus more athletes have asked their other halves to marry
Speaker 2: them at this Olympics than ever before, and I have
Speaker 2: questions for the marriage, about it all, the Tom Cruisners
Speaker 2: of the closing ceremony and why we all care just
Speaker 2: so damn much. Also, you can't turn around at the
Speaker 2: moment without Blake Lively whipping you in the face with
Speaker 2: that gorgeous hair. So what's all this about a rift derailing?
Speaker 2: It ends with us, but first me a freedman.
Speaker 1: In case you missed it, women are filming themselves getting
Speaker 1: their IUDs inserted and removed and posting the videos to
Speaker 1: social media to highlight how much it hurts. Now, we're
Speaker 1: not going to play you anything because it's just women
Speaker 1: basically screaming in it. Is it? Yes, it is for
Speaker 1: though it's not familiar with what an iud actually is.
Speaker 1: It's a type of contraception. It's about three centimeters long,
Speaker 1: and it's a T shaped plastic device with a vertical
Speaker 1: stem and two horizontal arms, and sometimes it has a
Speaker 1: copper coil or a hormone sort of reservoir, and it's
Speaker 1: got a thin string that hangs from the bottom of it.
Speaker 3: It's like a fish hawk.
Speaker 1: Thank you, it does. It's inserted inside your uterus, now,
Speaker 1: not your vagina, your uterus, so female anatomy. There's the
Speaker 1: opening bit, then there's the vagina, then there's the cervix,
Speaker 1: and then all the way through the cervix, which is
Speaker 1: usually closed quite tightly. Is the uterus.
Speaker 3: Your cervix should be closed until better baby pat is
Speaker 3: coming out.
Speaker 1: Is very closed. It's got quite far to go. It's
Speaker 1: got a long way. It's got a really really long way,
Speaker 1: and then the string kind of hangs out the bottom
Speaker 1: of your cervix. Now, most women aren't offered any form
Speaker 1: of pain relief during the procedure, and are often shocked
Speaker 1: and distressed by how much it hurts. I had been
Speaker 1: forewarned before I got mine, about ten years ago or so,
Speaker 1: and I had friends who said it was so painful
Speaker 1: they actually vomited on themselves. It was more painful than childbirth.
Speaker 3: I did a story from Mamma Maya about this, maybe
Speaker 3: six or so years ago. There are a lot of
Speaker 3: women who went to get it inserted and they caught
Speaker 3: the bus and they walked out the appointment and they went,
Speaker 3: I can't catch the bus home. I'm throwing up. Someone fainted,
Speaker 3: like they really really found it painful. And with any
Speaker 3: of this stuff, there's such variation in individual experience, in
Speaker 3: your experience of pain. And also I've always had very
Speaker 3: painful perhaps mere or cervical screenings because some people have
Speaker 3: like a bit of a tilted uterus, So it hurts
Speaker 3: some people more than others.
Speaker 1: And some medical practitioners, bless them, are better at it
Speaker 1: than others because an IUD is something that it sounds
Speaker 1: quite full on, and it is full on. But you
Speaker 1: GP can do it now. It's not something a GP
Speaker 1: does every day, so they might be skilled at it.
Speaker 1: They might not be skilled at Oh, you've had it
Speaker 1: at the GP. I went and got it at the guy. No, no,
Speaker 1: with a local anesthetic.
Speaker 2: Lays just gone to the GP with all these things.
Speaker 3: You've raw dogged, You've raw dogged your ig raw dogged.
Speaker 1: Dee. Use about this story. I have to examine my
Speaker 1: reaction to it, because you're very strong, be honest, you said, Maya,
Speaker 1: you're a big fat was fact. But also I'm like, really,
Speaker 1: women are all filming themselves while they're getting it done,
Speaker 1: and then me, it was like I did that, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. And the thing is is.
Speaker 2: That I remember the first time I had an IUD
Speaker 2: and said it, I went to my GP. Actually I
Speaker 2: couldn't get into my GP, and so I went to
Speaker 2: another GP in that practice. And he was a relatively
Speaker 2: old dude, relatively close to retirement like and a lovely man,
Speaker 2: very experienced.
Speaker 1: But possibly a little shaky. Little Joe Biden was like
Speaker 1: having IUD inserted by Joe Biden. And it took him
Speaker 1: several goes and it was not fun. But here's the
Speaker 1: interesting thing about this story and many many stories like it,
Speaker 1: is I remember at the time just like it wasn't fun.
Speaker 1: But I just went, well, that's it.
Speaker 2: It made me think about all the experiences I've had,
Speaker 2: whether it be cervical screenings, various kind of pelvic examinations,
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Internals when you're pregnant, it's
Speaker 2: never fun, right, and sometimes it really hurts. Sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 2: And I think the thing is we've just been conditioned,
Speaker 2: or certainly my generation is conditioned to like, it hurts,
Speaker 2: it's not fun, get on with it. But now, which
Speaker 2: is so good, as the medical profession is more and
Speaker 2: more female informed, because also there are many, many more
Speaker 2: female practitioners everywhere. They're like, ah, actually, why should everything
Speaker 2: we do have to be.
Speaker 1: Why should this offering pain?
Speaker 3: It's not going to get a filling. It's not like,
Speaker 3: all right, this is a terrible experience. Like dentists have
Speaker 3: done a fantastic job at their rebranding, but.
Speaker 1: No one would ever consider getting dental work. It's only
Speaker 1: when it comes to the pain experienced by women that
Speaker 1: we think that there's some nobility in it, or that
Speaker 1: we decide that it's not worth pain medication. But medical
Speaker 1: authorities in the US have actually this week released new
Speaker 1: guidelines that say doctors must inform patients about pain management
Speaker 1: options before they stick it up there.
Speaker 3: That's really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So basically we are saying, if you are going to
Speaker 1: get an AD, don't let this put you off having one,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't hurt everybody, like also just most people, but.
Speaker 2: On a scale, because as Jesse just said, like our
Speaker 2: anatomies are all a bit different. Yeah, so some things
Speaker 2: down there are more painful for some people than others,
Speaker 2: and our pain thresholds are all different too.
Speaker 1: But there's options, is the points. So just remember to
Speaker 1: ask about those options, and if you've got a friend
Speaker 1: getting an AD, just say, hey, maybe ask If I
Speaker 1: was a.
Speaker 2: Doctor, I don't think i'd love that. Everybody's filming everything now.
Speaker 1: Well, when I wonder that when I was filming, I
Speaker 1: didn't film her. I was filming it. She goes, are
Speaker 1: you filming.
Speaker 3: Out loud?
Speaker 1: I'm filming me. I was filming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I see it on TikTok like people in
Speaker 3: the middle of a console and a very private context.
Speaker 3: I fully support and endorse this. I know what they're
Speaker 3: doing and they're making a really important statement, and good
Speaker 3: on them for going This shouldn't hurt. But generally the filming,
Speaker 3: like I see people do it all the time, and
Speaker 3: I think if I was the doctor, I go focus
Speaker 3: focus on me.
Speaker 1: It's also true.
Speaker 4: First, let me say, anyone on that stage is the
Speaker 4: decision and responsibility of the governing body for a committee
Speaker 4: from each country just to stand up and say, hey,
Speaker 4: like this girl doesn't reach qualifications of someone who should
Speaker 4: be performing on that level, protect hip hop culture.
Speaker 1: I think today might have been the first time that
Speaker 1: she breakdas no Olympics. She's like some own bios doing
Speaker 1: her own thing.
Speaker 3: This is a disrespect to order athletes who have come
Speaker 3: to Olympics compete.
Speaker 4: There is no way that there isn't a better breakdancer
Speaker 4: that's on the street dancing right.
Speaker 5: Now than her.
Speaker 3: A viral performance, a cruel backlash, and a swift reclamation.
Speaker 3: Big Girl raygun was the Olympic story no one saw coming.
Speaker 3: Breakdancer and academic Rachel Gunn represented Australia at the first
Speaker 3: and probably only competitive breaking event at the Olympics. Did
Speaker 3: she win, No, Did she score a point?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Did she deliver the most iconic performance of the Games
Speaker 3: without a doubt. If you haven't seen it, ray Gun
Speaker 3: bat other bee girls pulling out a kangaroo hop, a
Speaker 3: bit of a windmill maneuver, a backward summersault. It's impossible
Speaker 3: to describe the rest, but it's fair to say it
Speaker 3: wasn't what anyone expected. And the uniform also attracted some commentary.
Speaker 3: It was a bit cricketer, it was a ball person.
Speaker 1: Well, the other be girls didn't wear their national uniforms.
Speaker 3: No, she didn't get the memo. And she had a
Speaker 3: hat on and looked she look very sun safe, but
Speaker 3: she didn't necessarily look like a breaker. I first saw
Speaker 3: the performance on Saturday morning, and the commentary was ruthless.
Speaker 3: People were saying, how did she get there? If any
Speaker 3: of my taxpayer dollars went towards that performance, I'm angry.
Speaker 1: Some people were angry, which I couldn't understand.
Speaker 3: It was the initial It was not.
Speaker 1: One of my feelings, but I sailed through.
Speaker 3: There were theories that she was trying to make a statement.
Speaker 3: Over the weekend she posted on Instagram, don't be afraid
Speaker 3: to be different, Go out there and represent yourself. You
Speaker 3: never know where that's going to take you.
Speaker 1: Is it true that she has a PhD In breakdancing
Speaker 1: and no, she has it in dance theory with a
Speaker 1: specialism in breaking.
Speaker 3: And cultural studies from Macora Uni, which is where I
Speaker 3: got my masters. So me and Raygun were probably studying
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 1: I just when it went from breakdancing to just breaking.
Speaker 3: Apparently that's what it originally was started there, and then
Speaker 3: it became break dancing and then they were being very authentic.
Speaker 3: But just as quickly as snarky opinion columns were churned out,
Speaker 3: I was looking at them on Saturday. There was one
Speaker 3: that argued that Raygun had no business being at the
Speaker 3: Olympics and if this happened in any other sport there
Speaker 3: would be a Royal commission into the selection process.
Speaker 1: My goodness, definitely there should be.
Speaker 3: But no.
Speaker 1: Imagine getting that call we need you to do a job.
Speaker 3: No sooner had that happened that the tide turned. Prime
Speaker 3: Minister Albanezi said good on her and a big shout
Speaker 3: out to her. That is in the Australian tradition of
Speaker 3: people having a go. She had to go representing our country.
Speaker 3: That's a good thing. The Olympics is about people participating
Speaker 3: in sport. That's a good thing. Gun had a crack.
Speaker 1: I agree with Albow.
Speaker 3: Then there was Adele Adele had something to say. She
Speaker 3: paused her concert because she was overcome by her feelings
Speaker 3: regarding Ray Gun.
Speaker 6: It's all that me and my friends have been talking
Speaker 6: about last night, after the show and today, and I'm
Speaker 6: not saying anything. I'm you know, I think it's taken out.
Speaker 6: I think it's the best thing that's happened in the
Speaker 6: Olympics the entire time. Did anyone see the breakdancing.
Speaker 1: Lady, it's all from the Olympics.
Speaker 6: Now. I didn't even go to break dancing with the
Speaker 6: eve Olympics thought these days, I think that's fantastic. I
Speaker 6: really really do. I knew that skateboarding had become an
Speaker 6: Olympic one. I can't work out if it was, but
Speaker 6: either way, it has made me very very happy, and
Speaker 6: me and my friends have been ourselves laughing for nearly
Speaker 6: twenty four hours. But I just wanted to know if
Speaker 6: you've seen it. If you haven't seen it, please eat
Speaker 6: the show and google it because it is flah It
Speaker 6: is so funny. It's it's my favorite thing that's happened
Speaker 6: in Olympics this whole whole time.
Speaker 1: Adele just got engaged. She know I'm mad, She yeah
Speaker 1: to her boyfriend he's a big agent. Ah, there's sports stars.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're so reagun. Maybe now she's going to get
Speaker 1: Imagine all the opportunities she will be flooded.
Speaker 3: There's a video of Raygun being shown a guard of
Speaker 3: honor by the Aussie athletes at the closing ceremony, and
Speaker 3: even though she didn't score a point, she probably became
Speaker 3: the most famous Olympian of them all. Holly over the weekend,
Speaker 3: did we see the Internet at its best or it's worst?
Speaker 1: It's so funny because both one hundred percent both, and
Speaker 1: the emotions that I cycled through so quickly in those
Speaker 1: hours trying to figure out how to react to Reygun
Speaker 1: just say everything about the times we live in, right,
Speaker 1: Because first of all, I was like, oh.
Speaker 2: That's uncomfortable. There's like a white Australian woman apparently making
Speaker 2: a hash out of an art form created by black
Speaker 2: artists on the streets of New York City.
Speaker 1: That felt weird for a start, right. Also being a
Speaker 1: kangaroo and a goanna, But.
Speaker 2: Even that I was a bit uncomfortable with because I've
Speaker 2: seen lots of First Nations traditional dancing that references kangaroos
Speaker 2: and go on, think of that and so there was
Speaker 2: another bit of me that went, oh is.
Speaker 1: It appropriation well or is that part of it? And
Speaker 1: is that part of her heritage?
Speaker 2: Like you know, all these things that go through your
Speaker 2: mind of like what am I looking at here?
Speaker 1: Is it okay? Basically this is what you're doing. You're like,
Speaker 1: is it okay? What she's doing? I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's okay. And then also you realize that the trolling
Speaker 1: she would be getting would be unbearable, so you also
Speaker 1: want to kind of lull and slightly disapprove for a while.
Speaker 2: But then you're like, oh, no, that would be bad.
Speaker 2: So no, good on, Raygun, good on you having a go.
Speaker 2: And then you kind of want to see if she's
Speaker 2: in on the joke or not, because then if she's
Speaker 2: in on it, it's okay to laugh.
Speaker 1: And then you saw.
Speaker 2: Her at the closing ceremony, as you reference to this
Speaker 2: morning Jesse, like on the shoulders of the athletes, loving it, sick,
Speaker 2: doing her kangaroo moves, and she is clearly going to
Speaker 2: be on every American talk show this week coming.
Speaker 1: And so you're like, I didn't really know. I just
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. I'm just not going to say anything.
Speaker 2: Until the internet's worked out this is okay. But mostly
Speaker 2: I think we all just so needed a laugh, and
Speaker 2: once we were given permission to laugh at it, it
Speaker 2: was okay.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Maya?
Speaker 3: What was your take?
Speaker 1: Was it as exhausting for you as it was for me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I cycled through all those emotions too, because I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to share it, but then everybody was sharing it,
Speaker 1: and then I thought, oh, I'm worried about her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't want to share it, and then
Speaker 1: there were people who were angry about it, which I
Speaker 1: couldn't understand the anger, but yeah, you're right about the
Speaker 1: taxpayers dollars or somehow making a mockery like people who've
Speaker 1: really just sat on their ass watching the Olympics. Suddenly,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're all experts on every sport,
Speaker 1: but like, how is that even loud? Then I decided
Speaker 1: to understand a little bit more about breaking because people
Speaker 1: were like, why is it in the Olympics. And it's
Speaker 1: in the Olympics because because the IOC has been trying
Speaker 1: to make the Olympics more relevant to young people. So
Speaker 1: that's why things like BMX and skateboarding and breaking is
Speaker 1: in there. So all the sporting organizations try to get
Speaker 1: their sport included in the Olympics because it's really beneficial
Speaker 1: for the awareness about their sport and it can lead
Speaker 1: to big sponsors and all of those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: So everybody petitions to get their sports included. I've never
Speaker 1: understood when netball's not there, but apparently not enough people
Speaker 1: play it.
Speaker 3: America doesn't play it exactly.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of politics about what sports are
Speaker 1: included and what's not included, and some people can be
Speaker 1: real purists about oh but how can that be in
Speaker 1: the Olympics. Some people like that about skateboarding this year
Speaker 1: as well. So what happened is that the International Dance
Speaker 1: Federation was saying, we want a dance included, and we
Speaker 1: think maybe ballroom might be good. Oh wow, and.
Speaker 3: Ray gun is a ballroom dance.
Speaker 1: Well, the IOC said, no, no, ballroom is not going
Speaker 1: to help us with the gensds. We need a funky dance.
Speaker 1: Should have had TikTok dances, maybe that'll be Yeah, we
Speaker 1: need a more funky street dance, So bring us your
Speaker 1: youth and bring us breaking and the breaking community were
Speaker 1: a bit like, what really we don't know. And then
Speaker 1: it's not like she just went I'll do it and
Speaker 1: rocked up in Paris. So Adam he is, who's the
Speaker 1: chef de Michau, basically the boss of all the Olympians
Speaker 1: and the Olympic team said.
Speaker 5: What I can say is that I love Rachel and
Speaker 5: I think that what has occurred on social media with
Speaker 5: trolls and keyboard warriors and taking those comments and giving
Speaker 5: them airtime has been really disappointing. If you don't know
Speaker 5: Rachel's story. In two thousand and eight, she was locked
Speaker 5: in a room crying being involved in a male dominated
Speaker 5: sport as the only woman, and it took great courage
Speaker 5: for her to continue on and fight for her opportunity
Speaker 5: to participate in a sport that she loved and that
Speaker 5: got her to winning the Olympic qualifying event to be
Speaker 5: here in Paris. She is the best breakdancer female that
Speaker 5: we have for Australia.
Speaker 1: I think that says it a lot. Really, she used
Speaker 1: the best and so it's true wasn't just her idea.
Speaker 2: But the thing that's interesting about this because yeah, I
Speaker 2: went and watched a lot of the other breakers, right,
Speaker 2: it is very strange to see an art form that
Speaker 2: started on the streets in this arena, even the coolest
Speaker 2: of the cool, and it's an American sport comes from
Speaker 2: it literally was born in New York. Even the coolest
Speaker 2: of the cool people that looked kind of daggy doing
Speaker 2: it in that circumstance, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 2: a strange sort of transplant from there to there. But
Speaker 2: I can see that a lot of the purest, as
Speaker 2: you were saying, Mia, a lot of the purest of
Speaker 2: breaking don't really approve of it being in this in
Speaker 2: the Lames either. So I imagine because there are breaking competitions
Speaker 2: all over the world, Red Bull of run one for decades,
Speaker 2: and Australia has lots of semi professional and professional breaking cruise.
Speaker 2: You'll see them breaking through breaking through all the time
Speaker 2: on like talent shows or whatever. But I imagine that the
Speaker 2: people who want to go and do this is a
Speaker 2: relatively small group of breakers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as you say, I think I've read that
Speaker 3: when you're hosting, you get to choose a few, you
Speaker 3: get to pull a bit of rank and go we're
Speaker 3: going to do breaking this year. And so in LA
Speaker 3: they're doing cricket, which Australia is very excited about Yeah.
Speaker 3: A lot of people going why is they're breaking and
Speaker 3: not netball? But I think that what made this so
Speaker 3: funny was that I knew the breaking was on and
Speaker 3: I didn't have high hopes for Australia. I went, this
Speaker 3: is I don't think we have an enormous amount of context.
Speaker 3: It's not like swimming that we have it, you know
Speaker 3: as cannival at every school. But I read an article
Speaker 3: by Peter fitz Simon in the Sydney Morning Herald and
Speaker 3: it was called I am Reygun, You are Reygan, We
Speaker 3: are all ray Gun and he basically argued that he
Speaker 3: saw the memification and things getting cruel and whatever, but
Speaker 3: he went in the context of the Olympics, which has
Speaker 3: been about excellence and precision and high stakes, to have
Speaker 3: Australia get behind someone who did her own thing, tried
Speaker 3: her best, was an underdog, didn't win, has been actually
Speaker 3: quite a uniquely Australian experience, Like we got very much
Speaker 3: behind her quite quickly, and I really appreciated.
Speaker 1: The vibe of Reygun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that we could produce someone like that and
Speaker 3: just as quickly be like, yeah, no, we stand behind
Speaker 3: that performance.
Speaker 1: We love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I got annoyed with a lot of
Speaker 3: the commentary and the snarky. There are a lot of
Speaker 3: opinion columns that I went, oh, I know you wanted
Speaker 3: to bash something out quickly, but like, I really liked that.
Speaker 3: It was a moment of joy that kind of brought
Speaker 3: everyone together, and once we knew that she was in
Speaker 3: on it, Yeah, he gave us all permission to be like,
Speaker 3: this is just a bit of fun.
Speaker 1: There have been historically some of these kind of characters
Speaker 1: that have broken through in other games. There was Eddie
Speaker 1: the Eagle, the English skier who wasn't very good, And
Speaker 1: there was Eric the Eel. He was from Equatorial Guinea
Speaker 1: and he couldn't swim very well, and he became absolutely
Speaker 1: iconic at the Sydney Games. I remember him so well,
Speaker 1: and I just think sometimes when that happens, I love
Speaker 1: being reminded that the Games is about trying. It's not
Speaker 1: just about winning. And I know people say, but it's
Speaker 1: also about the best in the world. She is the
Speaker 1: best that we've got who wanted to go to the Olympics.
Speaker 2: It's interesting too that actually America didn't win. The female
Speaker 2: beagle was Japanese and the American male place bronze. So
Speaker 2: you know, it may have originated their breaking, but it
Speaker 2: has long since jumped.
Speaker 1: The shark and gone all over the world.
Speaker 2: It reminded me in the eighties when breakdancing was becoming
Speaker 2: big in England. My brother, who is a skinny, ginger
Speaker 2: white dude and has always been cooler than me, started
Speaker 2: breaking seriously and he made my mom put a six
Speaker 2: foot square of lino in the basement for him to
Speaker 2: practice on.
Speaker 1: What I remember the most that.
Speaker 2: Is that when we took that line, I like years later,
Speaker 2: there were two squashed frogs underneath.
Speaker 1: My brother had spun on the frog. Do you remember
Speaker 1: Cool Running, the movie that was made about a true
Speaker 1: story of the Jamaican bobsled team. Now there's no snow
Speaker 1: in Jamaica, so they had to like practice in like
Speaker 1: shopping trolleys and again, like to me, that's what the
Speaker 1: spirit of the Olympics is.
Speaker 3: And there was something about Snoop Dogg's presence at the
Speaker 3: event that just made it all the richer.
Speaker 1: Oh good vibes, great? Why what a great time time
Speaker 1: for more Olympic vibes, because this is our last Olympic roundup.
Speaker 1: No doubt we'll have some things to talk about when
Speaker 1: the Paralympic starts on August twenty eighth. But Australia finished
Speaker 1: up at these games with an all time record of
Speaker 1: eighteen goals and fifty three medals and fourth place overall
Speaker 1: on the middle Telly, which is just extraordinary, best ever.
Speaker 1: It's our best ever performance. A recap of what you
Speaker 1: missed at the after party, which is the closing ceremony.
Speaker 1: Ray Gun was the life of that party. If she
Speaker 1: pulled out some of the moves, as you said, she
Speaker 1: came in on the shoulders of a rower, there was
Speaker 1: a guard of one and four.
Speaker 2: They're also loose on the They're like blasting Taylor swift
Speaker 2: and clearly seem a bit dry.
Speaker 3: I wonder if Raygun was a few days earlier, if
Speaker 3: she could have got a closing ceremony flag bearer looking I.
Speaker 1: Think people would have been upset about that because the
Speaker 1: people who did carry the Australian flag were gold medalists
Speaker 1: Kaylie McEwan and Matt Werne. Then there was the Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise of it all. Lake Snoop was at the Olympics
Speaker 1: and fairly beiquld as Tom Cruise was a little bit
Speaker 1: as well, and I couldn't quite work it out until
Speaker 1: I saw him perform stunt. He loves stunts. You can't
Speaker 1: stop him jumping off things.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 1: He's doing his own stunts. He just won't sit down
Speaker 1: and think. He didn't feel young. He's sixty two now.
Speaker 1: And he leaped from the roof of the stadium for
Speaker 1: the ceremonial Olympic flag handover because I couldn't work out
Speaker 1: what cultural relevance Tom Cruise had. But as you said, Jesse,
Speaker 1: it's being handed over to La. So what happened is
Speaker 1: that at the end of the ceremony, the people with
Speaker 1: the flag have to hand it to the next people,
Speaker 1: and so he took the Olympic flag and he attached
Speaker 1: it to the back of a motorcycle because he's always
Speaker 1: on it motorcycle after he jumps out of things, and
Speaker 1: he sort of cruised through the crowd with the It
Speaker 1: was very random and kind of I quite.
Speaker 3: Very movie star, which is probably the theme of LA.
Speaker 1: And then they flashed to LA because I'd also forgotten
Speaker 1: about that. The people who get it next get a
Speaker 1: little bit of time in the closing ceremony to sort
Speaker 1: of do their thing and showcase their future weares and
Speaker 1: that was just really it concept. It looked like it
Speaker 1: was maybe at Venice Beach. Snoop was there, of course,
Speaker 1: how did he care for me? Very quickly drop it
Speaker 1: like it's hot.
Speaker 3: He was there with Ray Gun and the next Name.
Speaker 1: The Eilish was there, and also the Red Hot Chili
Speaker 1: Peppers and Doctor Dre.
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of tiktoks from grumpy athletes. They
Speaker 2: were like, we were told that Billie Eilish and the
Speaker 2: Red Hot Chili Peppers were performing at the closing.
Speaker 1: Ceremony and they were on a zoom call.
Speaker 3: I got up this morning and just put on the
Speaker 3: closing ceremony and suddenly I'm watching a Snoop dog concept
Speaker 3: because they were.
Speaker 1: Working from home. Yes, I was like, this is just
Speaker 1: they weren't about them. They were like, we'll dial it in.
Speaker 3: No, Snoop was so passionate about the Olympics.
Speaker 2: He got paid a lot of money by NBC to go.
Speaker 2: He really embraced it.
Speaker 1: Though they got their money's worth, the outfits, the coordination to.
Speaker 2: Martha Stewart of it all. Yeah, I have no idea,
Speaker 2: but he really proved them right. I want to ask
Speaker 2: you to something because another record that was broken at
Speaker 2: the Olympics this year, which is very fitting for Paris
Speaker 2: because it's the romantic place, right, was the number of proposals.
Speaker 2: So seven different athletes got proposed to or proposed at
Speaker 2: the Olympics, and so much so that it actually got
Speaker 2: referenced in the closing ceremony by one of the French
Speaker 2: officials saying, this is a record. We're very proud to
Speaker 2: have more proposals than ever and you're like, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know, that's what we were here for. But they
Speaker 2: included French track and field athlete Alice Finot and she
Speaker 2: proposed to her boyfriend by the track side, an American
Speaker 2: shot putterer he proposed and American rower proposed in fact,
Speaker 2: and this is another whole layer to this. This American
Speaker 2: rower just invest proposed live on the Today Show to
Speaker 2: his girlfriend in the presence of family members who were
Speaker 2: holding two thousand, seven hundred and thirty eight yellow roses,
Speaker 2: a symbol of every day the two have maintained their
Speaker 2: snapchat streak.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, that's so. The snapchat streak is considerable, But
Speaker 1: do we love love the athletes taking this moment to
Speaker 1: be all about their love or is it kind of
Speaker 1: like jumping in on a big moment for them? What
Speaker 1: do we think married people?
Speaker 3: It's a city of love you've forgotten. And Olympic proposals
Speaker 3: have been on the increase since about twenty sixteen, since
Speaker 3: the phones and the phone the contest situation. I loved
Speaker 3: the woman who did it. I thought that was really cool.
Speaker 1: I didn't see a single proposal. Are these athletes proposing
Speaker 1: to other athletes.
Speaker 2: Or their partners in the crowd?
Speaker 3: Some some are But the French athlete came fourth and
Speaker 3: then she went up to her partner who was in
Speaker 3: the crowd, and proposed and kind of got down on
Speaker 3: one knee. It was really cool.
Speaker 1: But I always get it. So not on podiums, no
Speaker 1: one interruptedly, like often after their final thing, so whether
Speaker 1: they won something or whether they didn't win something like
Speaker 1: but you know, their girlfriend, boyfriend whatever is by the
Speaker 1: side of the track and they run over and drop
Speaker 1: to one and all the cameras are there.
Speaker 3: Right, your body is probably coursing with endorphins and adrenaline.
Speaker 3: You're in a foreign city, You've got cameras on you.
Speaker 1: You want to do something memorable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've also like been in this training hole,
Speaker 3: and I reckon that most people where there's like a proposal,
Speaker 3: there's an understanding that you either were or weren't getting married,
Speaker 3: Like it's probably been discussed, and there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people who were like, oh, you put them on the spot.
Speaker 3: They can't say no.
Speaker 1: Did you have that understanding?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like proposed, there's still like a surprise element of
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was going to happen today.
Speaker 1: When I was wearing these socks and shit.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but this concern trolling of going, oh, that
Speaker 3: poor woman, she can't say no. It's like I'm sure
Speaker 3: her fiance knows her better than I do. Like if
Speaker 3: that's it's not something I would.
Speaker 1: Like policing people's proposals.
Speaker 3: Policing proposals, So I don't mind it.
Speaker 2: I'm not policing them, but this is my issue with it.
Speaker 2: I like as many.
Speaker 1: Little treats as possible.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, would you not maybe want have the
Speaker 2: moment of the I made it to the Olympics and
Speaker 2: I've finished and that's something to celebrate, and then the
Speaker 2: proposal is something to celebrate. But I think you've nailed
Speaker 2: it Jesse. I think the adrenaline, the excitement, like you
Speaker 2: probably have never loved them more. If they've been driving
Speaker 2: you to the pool every day, or they've been cheering
Speaker 2: you on at the sidelines all the time, or you know,
Speaker 2: whatever it might be, you probably have never loved them more.
Speaker 2: So you're just like, let's.
Speaker 1: Do it, and let's make sure we've got two thy
Speaker 1: seven hundred rose. I also think that you have to
Speaker 1: be so single minded to be an athlete at that level,
Speaker 1: that the sacrifices that your partner would have to make,
Speaker 1: and how boring you would be for a really long time,
Speaker 1: and the highs and the lows that they would have
Speaker 1: to endure. So to me, it's almost like a thank
Speaker 1: you and an acknowledgment. And also if it's the end
Speaker 1: of your Olympic journey, it is a little treat. It's
Speaker 1: a little treat.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the Olympics more broadly as
Speaker 3: we come to a close. I mean said I had
Speaker 3: it on this morning and hearing the Australian commentators all
Speaker 3: say au Revoir was just particularly beautiful because none of
Speaker 3: them could still say it, And did you see the
Speaker 3: my Way performance The woman at themar she was singing
Speaker 3: my Way, and I was thinking about Reagun and I
Speaker 3: was like, this is the most did We still had
Speaker 3: the Paralympics, as we say, and Australia is very good there.
Speaker 3: So I highly recommend people watch because we're going to
Speaker 3: win a lot of gold medals. But I wanted to
Speaker 3: talk about the last two weeks because I was speaking
Speaker 3: about this morning and she was saying, they're handing over
Speaker 3: to la was Harris. There was someone there to kind.
Speaker 1: Of a presidential receiving.
Speaker 3: The same way Macron was there, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'd forgotten that the US team, like the Simone Biles,
Speaker 3: the US athletes, had any relationship to this presidential race
Speaker 3: happening on the other side of the world. Like it
Speaker 3: really took us out of that.
Speaker 1: That's true, because it was we've come to see America
Speaker 1: as being so divided for so long now, like ever
Speaker 1: since Trump, which is what hundred years ago, it feels like,
Speaker 1: and there was none of that. No, I know, you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to wear a MAGA hat if you're competing,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to have any kind of political protest
Speaker 1: or political statement at all. Yeah, it was almost like
Speaker 1: this magic window.
Speaker 3: The Olympics is also the US at their best, like
Speaker 3: they really they just do such a good job. And
Speaker 3: we talk about how divided we are, and you know,
Speaker 3: seeing the worst in humanity at the moment projected on
Speaker 3: the news. And there are the riots in the UK,
Speaker 3: as you talked about last week, Hollie, an assassination attempt
Speaker 3: in the US. It's easy to feel nihilistic and disillusioned,
Speaker 3: but the Olympics pulled us all in one direction.
Speaker 7: Do you know what?
Speaker 1: It was a reminder of about the beauty of not
Speaker 1: just a monoculture, like when the whole world experiences something,
Speaker 1: and we had that in a negative way with COVID,
Speaker 1: but in a positive way. And there's no division about
Speaker 1: the Olympics apart from Rackham. And there's also no different
Speaker 1: truths and different facts like when you look at true
Speaker 1: other news stories, you've got in many cases two polarized
Speaker 1: sides who don't even acknowledge that each other has any humanity,
Speaker 1: that they're working with the same facts, but that all
Speaker 1: gets swept away.
Speaker 3: It's so simple being like let's say who can run
Speaker 3: the fastest, and then you watch people run, and then
Speaker 3: one finishes the fishline and you're like, oh, my brain
Speaker 3: can comput.
Speaker 2: I want to agree with you so badly because I
Speaker 2: agree that's not entirely true. I saw a lot of
Speaker 2: headlines on the weekend, including in The Australian when Amani
Speaker 2: Khaliff won the boxing gold medals, saying that the Olympics
Speaker 2: was a joke over this gender stuff, and there's been
Speaker 2: a bit of it bubbling away. I don't think you
Speaker 2: can entirely escape the culture wars. Interestingly, Simone Biles no
Speaker 2: political statements allowed, but she donated a million dollars for
Speaker 2: each of her gold medals to Kamala Harris's campaign, So
Speaker 2: she just waved million dollars to Kamala. One of the
Speaker 2: things that's wonderful about the Olympics is it's optimism pushes
Speaker 2: through all our snaky, very online informed pessimism. And I
Speaker 2: think it happened every time.
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 2: London was the same, Sydney was the same. Even when
Speaker 2: people are all going wood, it's really expensive to have
Speaker 2: it and it's so inconvenient for everyone who lives there,
Speaker 2: and the IOC is really corrupt, and there's this and
Speaker 2: there's that, and dah dah, da da dah. But then
Speaker 2: when it happens for those two weeks, it's almost as
Speaker 2: long as nothing terrible goes wrong, of course, and this
Speaker 2: was also true the last one, Tokyo was very different
Speaker 2: because of COVID, but a lot of people were watching
Speaker 2: it in lockdown, so that gave it another meaning. And
Speaker 2: it's like our sort of optimism, immunity like pushes through
Speaker 2: all that sort of snark and pessimism for just a
Speaker 2: week or so, and it's it is lovely.
Speaker 1: It felt fun and it felt relevant. You're right. I
Speaker 1: barely even remember the Tokyo games. They were very different games.
Speaker 1: There were no spectators. Everyone had to wear masks so
Speaker 1: you couldn't see people's faces a lot, and the humanity
Speaker 1: and everyone was living in their own bubbles quite literally.
Speaker 1: But this just felt incredibly joyous and you could talk
Speaker 1: to anyone about it. It was lovely to not have
Speaker 1: a sense of dread when you went on a news
Speaker 1: site in the morning and to just think, oh, I
Speaker 1: wonder how many medals we want overnight? It was very simple.
Speaker 3: I wonder, you know, Adele getting up and talking about Reagun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Other than literally a story of assassination or COVID, what
Speaker 3: story could anyone talk about on stage that is light,
Speaker 3: that is fun, that's unifying, that everyone would know, that
Speaker 3: everyone would reference. I mean, Taylor Swift is probably the
Speaker 3: only other example of something that brings everyone together that yeah,
Speaker 3: isn't depressing devastating News.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the latest Blake Lively headlines accompanying the unavoidable
Speaker 2: promotional onslaught that the release of It Ends with Us,
Speaker 2: which came out this weekend, has been enjoying. By the way,
Speaker 2: the sound you can hear right now is Ryan Reynolds
Speaker 2: and Blake Lively just popping bottles and burning mountains of
Speaker 2: money for good times in the backyard of their New
Speaker 2: York State mansion. Because that couple owns the mainstream culture
Speaker 2: right now. His movie, his Deadpool sequel, Deadpool Versus Wolverine,
Speaker 2: has broken more than a billion dollars, is a huge
Speaker 2: hit and is everywhere you look. And her movie It
Speaker 2: Ends with Us, which is the adaptation of Colin Hoover's
Speaker 2: best selling book, is number two in the box office.
Speaker 2: It pulled more than fifty million over the weekend, and
Speaker 2: considering the movie only cost twenty five million to make,
Speaker 2: it is considered a bona fide gold star smash.
Speaker 1: We haven't had Hollywood royal couple like this since Brad
Speaker 1: and Angelina, really have we Also, Angelina wasn't box office.
Speaker 7: They were very famous, and they were so you can't
Speaker 7: even remember his office John Kraginskysnski.
Speaker 1: But they're not.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 2: And the thing is one of the things that marks
Speaker 2: out Reynolds and Lively, and we're going to get to
Speaker 2: this with what the gossip is here is that they
Speaker 2: also own everything, so they're not just movie stars. Like
Speaker 2: Reynolds is an ep on Deadpool. It's made him so
Speaker 2: much money the three movies that have already been made
Speaker 2: because he's got a massive back end deal. He also
Speaker 2: controls production like it's his it's his thing, right, so
Speaker 2: he's also the business person behind that franchise. Blake Lively
Speaker 2: was a producer on this right, So they've got a
Speaker 2: lot of class and so and so it seems was
Speaker 2: Reynolds by stealth. Ryan Reynolds also owns lots of businesses,
Speaker 2: owns a football team like he is an absolute empire.
Speaker 2: Now he's a mogul and yet his persona online. They're
Speaker 2: very very good promoter as a pair of them. He
Speaker 2: in particular is very funny self deprecating all that stuff anyway,
Speaker 2: bit daggy dad, bit daggy dad.
Speaker 1: But also hot because they've got four kids together.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize four kids, and the most recent of
Speaker 2: them is quite young. And they're also as you would
Speaker 2: definitely know in the tailor verse. Anyway, back to the feud.
Speaker 2: So if you've been paying attention to any celeb news lately,
Speaker 2: you would have seen Lively selling the hell out of
Speaker 2: this film by wearing fancy floral dresses that get ever
Speaker 2: more glamorous than floral as the promotional campaign has gone
Speaker 2: along because the character she plays, it's called Lily Bloom,
Speaker 2: and she's a florist, so yeah, seem dressing.
Speaker 1: Is it a comedy?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: God no.
Speaker 2: So here's another thing that's interesting about this. It Ends
Speaker 2: with Us is a story of domestic violence, so it
Speaker 2: follows Lily Bloom. Colin Hoover wrote this book based on
Speaker 2: her own parents' marriage and relationship, and it became this
Speaker 2: massive bestseller, and then she wrote sequels and it sold
Speaker 2: more than eight million copies.
Speaker 1: Is a good moment.
Speaker 2: It depends what kind of things you like. But it's
Speaker 2: a very very very popular book that was diplomatic.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, but I don't think have any
Speaker 3: of us read it.
Speaker 2: I have not read it, but I actually feel embarrassed
Speaker 2: that I haven't read it because it's so it's culturally dominant.
Speaker 2: I should have read it, but I just haven't.
Speaker 1: In the same way that Fifty Shades of Gray was
Speaker 1: the last book that was just so yeah. Back to that,
Speaker 1: she's written of the.
Speaker 2: Books and she's self published and she's a ma sive deal, right,
Speaker 2: And so Colleen Hoover sold the rights to It Ends
Speaker 2: with Us to this guy, well sold them to him,
Speaker 2: but he optioned them to a guy called Justin Baldoni.
Speaker 2: Now he has made it ends with us as the
Speaker 2: director and one of the producers, and he co stars
Speaker 2: in it with Blake. So I've never heard of him.
Speaker 3: You know his faith if you've ever watched Jane the Virgin.
Speaker 3: So I watched Jane the Virgin. He was the sexy
Speaker 3: guy and.
Speaker 2: That so Blake's the female lead, the florist Lily, and
Speaker 2: he's the male lead, the bad guy in a neurosurgeon Ryle. Right,
Speaker 2: so they're playing this couple in this abusive relationship in
Speaker 2: the movie. Now, usually, especially if the male actor involved
Speaker 2: is very involved in the production. He's the director, for
Speaker 2: God's sake, the two of them would be on every
Speaker 2: red carpet together, right, You would see them everywhere together.
Speaker 2: Think of like Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt when they're
Speaker 2: promoting The hit Man. Think of pretty much any you know,
Speaker 2: like our mate Glenn Powell and Daisy Egga Jones have
Speaker 2: been everywhere.
Speaker 1: To Queenie Julia rob There.
Speaker 2: You know the two if you are normally read carpet
Speaker 2: banter interviews, have not done one piece of joint promotion.
Speaker 2: They have gone out of their way to not be
Speaker 2: photographed together. Ever, at the big premiere last week, none
Speaker 2: of the rest of the cast was photographed with Baldoni.
Speaker 2: None of the rest of the cast now, including Colleen Hoover,
Speaker 2: who's the creator, is following Baldoni on Instagram anymore.
Speaker 3: I went on Instagram to double check this because I
Speaker 3: check my facts, and Colleen Hoover, Blake, Lively, Ryan Reynolds none,
Speaker 3: and they follow people. They do not follow Baldon.
Speaker 2: And they at the beginning of all this, she was
Speaker 2: posing for lots of selfies with Baldoni on set with
Speaker 2: the headphones in the camera. So the theories go, and
Speaker 2: this is all room and rumor room.
Speaker 1: But one of the.
Speaker 2: Theories go that our Hollywood power couple Reynolds and Lively
Speaker 2: were getting a bit too interfery in it, right, So
Speaker 2: Reynolds apparently rewrote some of Lively's scenes, which Blake has
Speaker 2: said herself, she said, oh, he really helped me with
Speaker 2: this scene. He writes some things for me, I write
Speaker 2: on things for him, or a team we work on
Speaker 2: everything together, which is lovely but probably a bit annoy
Speaker 2: for the people who.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: Actually, screen writer found that out about an hour before
Speaker 3: they told the press, and she did not know, not thrilled.
Speaker 2: And also the rumor goes that Lively had her own
Speaker 2: cut of the movie made after shooting had stopped. Now
Speaker 2: apparently that's not that unusual, although it sounds terrible. And
Speaker 2: then they have gone with Baldoni's cut, but he presumably
Speaker 2: did not love that.
Speaker 1: That makes sense of an interview I read with him
Speaker 1: in the Hollywood Reporter where he was asked if he
Speaker 1: would direct the sequel, because there's a sequel to this,
Speaker 1: and he said, no, not my jam I think Blake
Speaker 1: should direct. She's ready to direct. And now I understand
Speaker 1: the subtext of that, which is very passag as you
Speaker 1: would say whole and that is very She was trying
Speaker 1: to direct this film and I was actually meant to
Speaker 1: be the director.
Speaker 2: Reynolds and Lively have started the pr machine just a
Speaker 2: little bit slightly like a little sort of backgrounding pass
Speaker 2: agnes with rumors saying, and this may be why some
Speaker 2: of the other cast have unfollowed him, that Baldoni made
Speaker 2: Blake feel very uncomfortable on set.
Speaker 1: That's all you need to say in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: isn't it. So it's a little bit like, I want
Speaker 1: to ask you wholly about the strategy behind this, if
Speaker 1: there is one, And I'm always more believing of it's
Speaker 1: a fuck up, not a conspiracy, because when everyone goes, oh,
Speaker 1: they're doing this on purpose to get people talking about
Speaker 1: the movie, and look, yes we are, so I guess
Speaker 1: it worked. But I want to ask about the last
Speaker 1: time we can remember this happening was with Don't Worry Darling,
Speaker 1: the movie that Olivia Wilde directed and Florence Pugh and
Speaker 1: Harry Stiles was in. And do you remember Spitgate? It
Speaker 1: can when.
Speaker 3: Someone Harry, Yeah, he didn't, but that was what he.
Speaker 1: Thought anyway, So that I still haven't ever watched the movie,
Speaker 1: but certainly everybody was talking about it. Is this a
Speaker 1: marketing thing? Like would would the marketers of this movie
Speaker 1: be going, oh, this is good for us or this
Speaker 1: is bad for us?
Speaker 2: I'd love to know Jesse thinks about that, because a
Speaker 2: lot of these rumors have blown up on TikTok. Right,
Speaker 2: So there is the indisputable fact that they are not
Speaker 2: promoting it in a conventional way.
Speaker 1: You could argue generous read why is it not conventional?
Speaker 2: Well, because normally they'd be together, Oh and so the
Speaker 2: red carpet, all the things they'd be together. He's the director,
Speaker 2: he's her star that you know, but generous read is well,
Speaker 2: Blake Lively's the star, she's the drawer, and she's the
Speaker 2: only face on the poster. And he does play an
Speaker 2: abusive man in this movie. So you could argue, no,
Speaker 2: it's a Blake Lively vehicle. We focus entirely on her.
Speaker 2: But what I'd love to know from my TikTok expert
Speaker 2: Jesse Stevens, because everybody's analyzing everything to the nth degree
Speaker 2: for content, Now, do we need intrigue plot, you know,
Speaker 2: scheming strategy to keep the momentum going of this movie
Speaker 2: to an extent.
Speaker 3: But then Blake Lively in Floral's was also a story,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's not like there was
Speaker 3: a shortage of publicity. There's what's happening on Tick and
Speaker 3: then there's what's happening with sources in the Hollywood Reporter.
Speaker 3: According to quite reliable sources.
Speaker 1: Are the sources TikTok No.
Speaker 2: They said the Hollywood Reporter is a very reputable publication.
Speaker 3: I was reading that at the premiere. They didn't even
Speaker 3: sit in the same theater they're in separate theaters watching
Speaker 3: with like family and friends or whatever. What TikTok can't
Speaker 3: stop talking about is they feel like Ryan Reynolds came
Speaker 3: on and has done more press for this movie than
Speaker 3: Baldoni has, even though he's not in it. He's not
Speaker 3: a producer, he's not a director. And what they're trying
Speaker 3: to do is a Barbie Heimer thing with Wolverine with Wolverine,
Speaker 3: and they're trying to basically get all of this, which
Speaker 3: is probably partly true. The other creative difference that TikTok
Speaker 3: sleuths think they've noticed, which I think there might be
Speaker 3: some truth too, is that the movie that Lively is
Speaker 3: promoting and the movie that Baldoni is promoting are two
Speaker 3: different films. So Baldoni always wanted to do a really deep,
Speaker 3: complex story about domestic violence, and that was something that
Speaker 3: really spoke to him. And when you see him interviewed,
Speaker 3: he's very serious and he's saying he's like in tears
Speaker 3: talking about what it took from him having to act
Speaker 3: like that and how he made sure there was an
Speaker 3: intimacy coordinator, and what he's actually said has been he's
Speaker 3: getting very good advice Lively. I think her pr brain
Speaker 3: has gone, we need to sell this as a rom com, yea,
Speaker 3: and people aren't going to see it. And in Lively's defense,
Speaker 3: I'm not critical of that because Hoover did the same thing,
Speaker 3: and in fact, that's part of what the text is about.
Speaker 3: That dv's stories begin as a rom com like they
Speaker 3: begin with.
Speaker 1: Course, they don't begin as DV story.
Speaker 3: They begin with like incredible sex and what you think
Speaker 3: is a romance. And from the perspective of the protagonist,
Speaker 3: as I understand it, she only realizes part way through
Speaker 3: what she's got herself into.
Speaker 2: And that she's in this abusive cycle, which is why
Speaker 2: it's called it sentence with Us because of her parents.
Speaker 2: And the thing is that might also be interesting from
Speaker 2: a marketing perspective in this moment we just talked about
Speaker 2: how much everybody wanted Joy in the Olympics. If you,
Speaker 2: in this moment, were deciding how to market a movie
Speaker 2: that is unquestionably about domestic violence, and anyone who's read
Speaker 2: the book knows that, and eight million people have read
Speaker 2: the book, would you go with nobody's going to come
Speaker 2: if we make it look like a dark, grim movie,
Speaker 2: or but if we put Blake Lively in a whole
Speaker 2: lot of flowers, and we keep focusing on this lovely,
Speaker 2: wonderful relationship she has in real life with her power husband.
Speaker 2: Then people will come as a marketing strategy that seems
Speaker 2: to be clever, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 1: I do? And Blake Lively famously doesn't have a stylist.
Speaker 1: I actually forgot that she was an actor. And it's interesting.
Speaker 1: She's on the cover of the September issue of Vogue,
Speaker 1: which tends to be a big deal, well not so
Speaker 1: much anymore, but is the most big deal cover of
Speaker 1: the year, and it is very strange. Shoot, it's with
Speaker 1: her and Hugh Jackman in these characters inspired by To
Speaker 1: Catch a Thief, and it's directed by bas Lerman. You
Speaker 1: know what, when I saw that, because it's like there
Speaker 1: are pages and pages, I was like, I thought, there's
Speaker 1: no money in magazines anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, and here we are with bazz Lerman and ten
Speaker 2: million dollars worth of diamonds and Lively and Hugh Jackman.
Speaker 1: The thing is whole sidebar. It was not filmed on location.
Speaker 1: It was filmed with just a big pretty much on
Speaker 1: green screen because you know, nobody could afford to fly
Speaker 1: anywhere anymore because of these budgets. And also Hugh Jackman,
Speaker 1: Black Lively and bas are all very good friends of
Speaker 1: any Winters, so mate's rights. But yeah, I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1: She's obviously stepping into that frame of being a movie star.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't tell you one movie she's been in.
Speaker 3: She was a simple Favor, she was in that great
Speaker 3: one movie. She was in Sisterhood of the Trust.
Speaker 1: She was in the Town with Ben Affleck that was great.
Speaker 1: I don't know any of those.
Speaker 2: She hasn't made these pages because she's been having all
Speaker 2: the babies.
Speaker 1: Of course she's got fun.
Speaker 2: She also because she her and Ryan Reynolds are the
Speaker 2: power couple. She also in the middle of the promo
Speaker 2: for this launched around.
Speaker 1: Hair care brand. Yes, and she's like Brown.
Speaker 2: She has a drink label too, Betty's Buzz, so she's
Speaker 2: like they are. They're very savvy taking which is great
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 3: And the similarity between this and Don't Worry Darling is
Speaker 3: that the actors aren't just actors. So I think that's
Speaker 3: when things get complicated. So Olivia Wild it wasn't that
Speaker 3: they were all on set together, it was that one
Speaker 3: had more power than the others, and so you see
Speaker 3: the power dynamics and the creative differences leak out into
Speaker 3: the press tour, because this is really about different visions,
Speaker 3: and where a director sits and a producer sits is.
Speaker 1: Just workplace politics, right. Well, I mean there was a
Speaker 1: story about me being unhappy with strife the first season,
Speaker 1: but it didn't really go anywhere. I mean, I do
Speaker 1: plan for season two, let's have a few yeah. So
Speaker 1: I remember reading it and going really like, really, but
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we need to lean into that Jesse
Speaker 1: and just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you too should definitely have a feud for season two.
Speaker 2: Although you know, I was thinking that the don't worry
Speaker 2: Darling thing didn't really work for the movie, as in
Speaker 2: that movie was considered a flop, whereas this is working
Speaker 2: for this movie. I mean, not just this, but it's
Speaker 2: going to keep the momentum going for a few more
Speaker 2: weeks and it's considered a hit.
Speaker 3: So what I don't want is for this film that's
Speaker 3: got a very powerful message about DV to become about
Speaker 3: two bitches being mean to a man. I would rather
Speaker 3: that not be the story, because he's being framed as
Speaker 3: a bit of a victor.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not a nice guy. It used to be
Speaker 2: the suggest Colin Hoover.
Speaker 3: So this is what TikTok will tell you. That Colin
Speaker 3: Hoover wants her other books made into movies, right, so
Speaker 3: she's looking at who's got more money to make them.
Speaker 3: If there's creative differences between Blake Lively and Baldonie hitching
Speaker 3: your wagon, then I'm going to hitch my wagon too, Lively.
Speaker 3: And so these creasy, little bitchy women are over here,
Speaker 3: and poor Baldoni just wanted to make a very serious
Speaker 3: film about DV And look at Blake Lively with her hair.
Speaker 3: That's how the story goes.
Speaker 1: Okay, out Louders, you might have someone in your household
Speaker 1: that was at a Bucks weekend over the weekend, because
Speaker 1: that's what Bucks weekends are. They're not nights anymore, they're weekends.
Speaker 1: We answered a dilemma about a particular Bucks weekend and
Speaker 1: an escort and a text message, and it's quite juicy.
Speaker 1: We gave our thoughts. To listen to that episode, you
Speaker 1: can follow the link in the show notes.
Speaker 2: A massive thank you to all of you out louders
Speaker 2: for being with us through this exciting journey through Paris.
Speaker 2: Our non expert journey through Paris, just pointing at stuff
Speaker 2: and going that was weird, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh we like that anyway. Thank you for.
Speaker 2: Being here with us as always, and thank you to
Speaker 2: our fabulous team for helping us put the show together.
Speaker 1: We will be back in your ears tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Bye bye.
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