WEBVTT - Raygun And Some Very Big Feelings 0:00:10.287 --> 0:00:13.047 You're listening to Amma mea podcast. 0:00:13.727 --> 0:00:16.767 Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:16.807 --> 0:00:23.887 that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to 0:00:23.967 --> 0:00:26.687 Momma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking 0:00:26.687 --> 0:00:28.807 about on Monday, the twelfth of August. 0:00:28.927 --> 0:00:30.087 I'm Holly Wayne Wright. 0:00:29.967 --> 0:00:32.447 I'm mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stephen. 0:00:32.847 --> 0:00:35.767 And on the show today, the Olympics is over and 0:00:35.807 --> 0:00:40.047 we have a lot to unpack. Notably, the entire world 0:00:40.127 --> 0:00:43.447 is talking, laughing and meaning about one Australian woman. 0:00:43.927 --> 0:00:46.327 We decode the ray gun phenomenon. 0:00:46.727 --> 0:00:49.447 Plus more athletes have asked their other halves to marry 0:00:49.487 --> 0:00:51.247 them at this Olympics than ever before, and I have 0:00:51.367 --> 0:00:54.167 questions for the marriage, about it all, the Tom Cruisners 0:00:54.167 --> 0:00:57.087 of the closing ceremony and why we all care just 0:00:57.207 --> 0:01:01.007 so damn much. Also, you can't turn around at the 0:01:01.047 --> 0:01:03.287 moment without Blake Lively whipping you in the face with 0:01:03.367 --> 0:01:07.247 that gorgeous hair. So what's all this about a rift derailing? 0:01:07.407 --> 0:01:11.087 It ends with us, but first me a freedman. 0:01:11.487 --> 0:01:14.847 In case you missed it, women are filming themselves getting 0:01:14.887 --> 0:01:18.807 their IUDs inserted and removed and posting the videos to 0:01:18.847 --> 0:01:23.367 social media to highlight how much it hurts. Now, we're 0:01:23.407 --> 0:01:25.847 not going to play you anything because it's just women 0:01:25.927 --> 0:01:29.727 basically screaming in it. Is it? Yes, it is for 0:01:29.807 --> 0:01:32.767 though it's not familiar with what an iud actually is. 0:01:32.807 --> 0:01:35.927 It's a type of contraception. It's about three centimeters long, 0:01:36.087 --> 0:01:40.047 and it's a T shaped plastic device with a vertical 0:01:40.047 --> 0:01:43.727 stem and two horizontal arms, and sometimes it has a 0:01:43.847 --> 0:01:48.487 copper coil or a hormone sort of reservoir, and it's 0:01:48.567 --> 0:01:50.647 got a thin string that hangs from the bottom of it. 0:01:50.887 --> 0:01:51.847 It's like a fish hawk. 0:01:52.087 --> 0:01:56.647 Thank you, it does. It's inserted inside your uterus, now, 0:01:56.967 --> 0:02:02.367 not your vagina, your uterus, so female anatomy. There's the 0:02:02.407 --> 0:02:05.647 opening bit, then there's the vagina, then there's the cervix, 0:02:06.087 --> 0:02:08.767 and then all the way through the cervix, which is 0:02:08.887 --> 0:02:12.367 usually closed quite tightly. Is the uterus. 0:02:12.527 --> 0:02:16.167 Your cervix should be closed until better baby pat is 0:02:16.167 --> 0:02:16.567 coming out. 0:02:17.487 --> 0:02:19.767 Is very closed. It's got quite far to go. It's 0:02:19.767 --> 0:02:22.887 got a long way. It's got a really really long way, 0:02:23.407 --> 0:02:25.207 and then the string kind of hangs out the bottom 0:02:25.247 --> 0:02:28.447 of your cervix. Now, most women aren't offered any form 0:02:28.487 --> 0:02:31.407 of pain relief during the procedure, and are often shocked 0:02:31.407 --> 0:02:33.767 and distressed by how much it hurts. I had been 0:02:33.847 --> 0:02:37.487 forewarned before I got mine, about ten years ago or so, 0:02:38.407 --> 0:02:40.567 and I had friends who said it was so painful 0:02:40.607 --> 0:02:43.887 they actually vomited on themselves. It was more painful than childbirth. 0:02:44.007 --> 0:02:46.287 I did a story from Mamma Maya about this, maybe 0:02:46.527 --> 0:02:48.447 six or so years ago. There are a lot of 0:02:48.447 --> 0:02:51.647 women who went to get it inserted and they caught 0:02:51.647 --> 0:02:53.927 the bus and they walked out the appointment and they went, 0:02:53.967 --> 0:02:56.967 I can't catch the bus home. I'm throwing up. Someone fainted, 0:02:57.007 --> 0:03:00.007 like they really really found it painful. And with any 0:03:00.047 --> 0:03:04.287 of this stuff, there's such variation in individual experience, in 0:03:04.847 --> 0:03:08.007 your experience of pain. And also I've always had very 0:03:08.047 --> 0:03:12.007 painful perhaps mere or cervical screenings because some people have 0:03:12.047 --> 0:03:13.807 like a bit of a tilted uterus, So it hurts 0:03:13.807 --> 0:03:15.647 some people more than others. 0:03:15.767 --> 0:03:19.327 And some medical practitioners, bless them, are better at it 0:03:19.607 --> 0:03:22.567 than others because an IUD is something that it sounds 0:03:22.647 --> 0:03:24.767 quite full on, and it is full on. But you 0:03:24.887 --> 0:03:28.127 GP can do it now. It's not something a GP 0:03:28.287 --> 0:03:31.447 does every day, so they might be skilled at it. 0:03:31.607 --> 0:03:33.687 They might not be skilled at Oh, you've had it 0:03:33.727 --> 0:03:35.807 at the GP. I went and got it at the guy. No, no, 0:03:36.087 --> 0:03:37.527 with a local anesthetic. 0:03:37.887 --> 0:03:40.167 Lays just gone to the GP with all these things. 0:03:40.767 --> 0:03:43.967 You've raw dogged, You've raw dogged your ig raw dogged. 0:03:44.567 --> 0:03:47.687 Dee. Use about this story. I have to examine my 0:03:47.727 --> 0:03:52.047 reaction to it, because you're very strong, be honest, you said, Maya, 0:03:52.527 --> 0:03:56.287 you're a big fat was fact. But also I'm like, really, 0:03:56.327 --> 0:03:58.727 women are all filming themselves while they're getting it done, 0:03:58.727 --> 0:04:00.447 and then me, it was like I did that, Oh 0:04:00.607 --> 0:04:03.247 my god. And the thing is is. 0:04:03.207 --> 0:04:05.167 That I remember the first time I had an IUD 0:04:05.287 --> 0:04:07.567 and said it, I went to my GP. Actually I 0:04:07.607 --> 0:04:10.207 couldn't get into my GP, and so I went to 0:04:10.247 --> 0:04:13.887 another GP in that practice. And he was a relatively 0:04:13.927 --> 0:04:17.687 old dude, relatively close to retirement like and a lovely man, 0:04:18.327 --> 0:04:20.047 very experienced. 0:04:19.607 --> 0:04:23.007 But possibly a little shaky. Little Joe Biden was like 0:04:23.087 --> 0:04:26.047 having IUD inserted by Joe Biden. And it took him 0:04:26.087 --> 0:04:28.727 several goes and it was not fun. But here's the 0:04:28.807 --> 0:04:32.367 interesting thing about this story and many many stories like it, 0:04:32.407 --> 0:04:35.327 is I remember at the time just like it wasn't fun. 0:04:35.327 --> 0:04:37.047 But I just went, well, that's it. 0:04:37.047 --> 0:04:39.287 It made me think about all the experiences I've had, 0:04:39.287 --> 0:04:42.527 whether it be cervical screenings, various kind of pelvic examinations, 0:04:42.567 --> 0:04:45.487 all that kind of stuff. Internals when you're pregnant, it's 0:04:45.527 --> 0:04:48.527 never fun, right, and sometimes it really hurts. Sometimes it doesn't. 0:04:48.527 --> 0:04:51.647 And I think the thing is we've just been conditioned, 0:04:51.927 --> 0:04:55.447 or certainly my generation is conditioned to like, it hurts, 0:04:55.527 --> 0:04:58.767 it's not fun, get on with it. But now, which 0:04:58.807 --> 0:05:02.607 is so good, as the medical profession is more and 0:05:02.647 --> 0:05:06.007 more female informed, because also there are many, many more 0:05:06.087 --> 0:05:10.407 female practitioners everywhere. They're like, ah, actually, why should everything 0:05:10.447 --> 0:05:11.807 we do have to be. 0:05:11.767 --> 0:05:13.327 Why should this offering pain? 0:05:13.727 --> 0:05:15.927 It's not going to get a filling. It's not like, 0:05:16.007 --> 0:05:18.527 all right, this is a terrible experience. Like dentists have 0:05:18.647 --> 0:05:21.527 done a fantastic job at their rebranding, but. 0:05:21.447 --> 0:05:24.327 No one would ever consider getting dental work. It's only 0:05:24.367 --> 0:05:27.567 when it comes to the pain experienced by women that 0:05:27.767 --> 0:05:30.887 we think that there's some nobility in it, or that 0:05:30.927 --> 0:05:34.927 we decide that it's not worth pain medication. But medical 0:05:34.967 --> 0:05:38.287 authorities in the US have actually this week released new 0:05:38.327 --> 0:05:42.007 guidelines that say doctors must inform patients about pain management 0:05:42.047 --> 0:05:44.087 options before they stick it up there. 0:05:44.167 --> 0:05:44.967 That's really good. 0:05:45.247 --> 0:05:45.487 Yeah. 0:05:45.647 --> 0:05:48.567 So basically we are saying, if you are going to 0:05:48.607 --> 0:05:51.167 get an AD, don't let this put you off having one, 0:05:51.247 --> 0:05:55.167 because it doesn't hurt everybody, like also just most people, but. 0:05:55.167 --> 0:05:57.727 On a scale, because as Jesse just said, like our 0:05:57.807 --> 0:06:00.887 anatomies are all a bit different. Yeah, so some things 0:06:00.927 --> 0:06:03.967 down there are more painful for some people than others, 0:06:03.967 --> 0:06:05.727 and our pain thresholds are all different too. 0:06:05.967 --> 0:06:09.567 But there's options, is the points. So just remember to 0:06:09.687 --> 0:06:12.207 ask about those options, and if you've got a friend 0:06:12.367 --> 0:06:16.527 getting an AD, just say, hey, maybe ask If I 0:06:16.567 --> 0:06:16.807 was a. 0:06:16.767 --> 0:06:19.567 Doctor, I don't think i'd love that. Everybody's filming everything now. 0:06:19.967 --> 0:06:22.687 Well, when I wonder that when I was filming, I 0:06:22.887 --> 0:06:26.487 didn't film her. I was filming it. She goes, are 0:06:26.527 --> 0:06:28.407 you filming. 0:06:29.367 --> 0:06:30.367 Out loud? 0:06:31.367 --> 0:06:33.087 I'm filming me. I was filming. 0:06:33.327 --> 0:06:35.007 Yeah, but I see it on TikTok like people in 0:06:35.007 --> 0:06:38.407 the middle of a console and a very private context. 0:06:38.447 --> 0:06:40.887 I fully support and endorse this. I know what they're 0:06:40.887 --> 0:06:43.287 doing and they're making a really important statement, and good 0:06:43.327 --> 0:06:47.407 on them for going This shouldn't hurt. But generally the filming, 0:06:47.487 --> 0:06:49.047 like I see people do it all the time, and 0:06:49.087 --> 0:06:51.607 I think if I was the doctor, I go focus 0:06:52.327 --> 0:06:53.007 focus on me. 0:06:53.207 --> 0:06:54.087 It's also true. 0:06:54.607 --> 0:06:59.247 First, let me say, anyone on that stage is the 0:06:59.407 --> 0:07:06.567 decision and responsibility of the governing body for a committee 0:07:07.047 --> 0:07:10.847 from each country just to stand up and say, hey, 0:07:10.967 --> 0:07:15.967 like this girl doesn't reach qualifications of someone who should 0:07:15.967 --> 0:07:19.567 be performing on that level, protect hip hop culture. 0:07:19.767 --> 0:07:21.527 I think today might have been the first time that 0:07:21.607 --> 0:07:28.127 she breakdas no Olympics. She's like some own bios doing 0:07:28.127 --> 0:07:28.647 her own thing. 0:07:28.767 --> 0:07:31.567 This is a disrespect to order athletes who have come 0:07:31.607 --> 0:07:32.807 to Olympics compete. 0:07:32.927 --> 0:07:36.167 There is no way that there isn't a better breakdancer 0:07:36.407 --> 0:07:38.847 that's on the street dancing right. 0:07:38.727 --> 0:07:39.447 Now than her. 0:07:39.767 --> 0:07:43.887 A viral performance, a cruel backlash, and a swift reclamation. 0:07:44.527 --> 0:07:48.047 Big Girl raygun was the Olympic story no one saw coming. 0:07:48.727 --> 0:07:53.207 Breakdancer and academic Rachel Gunn represented Australia at the first 0:07:53.407 --> 0:07:57.327 and probably only competitive breaking event at the Olympics. Did 0:07:57.367 --> 0:07:59.927 she win, No, Did she score a point? 0:08:00.287 --> 0:08:01.007 Absolutely not. 0:08:01.527 --> 0:08:05.207 Did she deliver the most iconic performance of the Games 0:08:05.527 --> 0:08:08.767 without a doubt. If you haven't seen it, ray Gun 0:08:08.887 --> 0:08:12.807 bat other bee girls pulling out a kangaroo hop, a 0:08:12.847 --> 0:08:16.687 bit of a windmill maneuver, a backward summersault. It's impossible 0:08:16.727 --> 0:08:18.607 to describe the rest, but it's fair to say it 0:08:18.647 --> 0:08:23.087 wasn't what anyone expected. And the uniform also attracted some commentary. 0:08:23.407 --> 0:08:26.807 It was a bit cricketer, it was a ball person. 0:08:26.927 --> 0:08:29.767 Well, the other be girls didn't wear their national uniforms. 0:08:29.887 --> 0:08:31.927 No, she didn't get the memo. And she had a 0:08:32.087 --> 0:08:34.607 hat on and looked she look very sun safe, but 0:08:34.647 --> 0:08:37.407 she didn't necessarily look like a breaker. I first saw 0:08:37.407 --> 0:08:40.607 the performance on Saturday morning, and the commentary was ruthless. 0:08:40.727 --> 0:08:42.927 People were saying, how did she get there? If any 0:08:42.967 --> 0:08:45.727 of my taxpayer dollars went towards that performance, I'm angry. 0:08:45.887 --> 0:08:48.087 Some people were angry, which I couldn't understand. 0:08:48.207 --> 0:08:49.607 It was the initial It was not. 0:08:49.527 --> 0:08:51.407 One of my feelings, but I sailed through. 0:08:51.607 --> 0:08:54.007 There were theories that she was trying to make a statement. 0:08:55.087 --> 0:08:58.207 Over the weekend she posted on Instagram, don't be afraid 0:08:58.247 --> 0:09:00.647 to be different, Go out there and represent yourself. You 0:09:00.727 --> 0:09:02.367 never know where that's going to take you. 0:09:02.567 --> 0:09:05.487 Is it true that she has a PhD In breakdancing 0:09:05.607 --> 0:09:08.087 and no, she has it in dance theory with a 0:09:08.167 --> 0:09:10.287 specialism in breaking. 0:09:10.007 --> 0:09:12.567 And cultural studies from Macora Uni, which is where I 0:09:12.607 --> 0:09:16.087 got my masters. So me and Raygun were probably studying 0:09:16.087 --> 0:09:16.807 at the same time. 0:09:17.127 --> 0:09:20.487 I just when it went from breakdancing to just breaking. 0:09:21.127 --> 0:09:24.727 Apparently that's what it originally was started there, and then 0:09:24.727 --> 0:09:27.487 it became break dancing and then they were being very authentic. 0:09:28.607 --> 0:09:32.167 But just as quickly as snarky opinion columns were churned out, 0:09:32.247 --> 0:09:33.807 I was looking at them on Saturday. There was one 0:09:33.807 --> 0:09:36.327 that argued that Raygun had no business being at the 0:09:36.367 --> 0:09:38.767 Olympics and if this happened in any other sport there 0:09:38.807 --> 0:09:40.967 would be a Royal commission into the selection process. 0:09:41.167 --> 0:09:43.167 My goodness, definitely there should be. 0:09:46.047 --> 0:09:46.447 But no. 0:09:47.927 --> 0:09:51.727 Imagine getting that call we need you to do a job. 0:09:52.367 --> 0:09:54.607 No sooner had that happened that the tide turned. Prime 0:09:54.607 --> 0:09:58.007 Minister Albanezi said good on her and a big shout 0:09:58.007 --> 0:10:01.127 out to her. That is in the Australian tradition of 0:10:01.167 --> 0:10:04.567 people having a go. She had to go representing our country. 0:10:04.607 --> 0:10:07.407 That's a good thing. The Olympics is about people participating 0:10:07.447 --> 0:10:10.247 in sport. That's a good thing. Gun had a crack. 0:10:10.327 --> 0:10:11.607 I agree with Albow. 0:10:12.167 --> 0:10:15.687 Then there was Adele Adele had something to say. She 0:10:15.807 --> 0:10:18.847 paused her concert because she was overcome by her feelings 0:10:18.887 --> 0:10:19.687 regarding Ray Gun. 0:10:20.007 --> 0:10:21.807 It's all that me and my friends have been talking 0:10:21.847 --> 0:10:24.887 about last night, after the show and today, and I'm 0:10:24.887 --> 0:10:27.887 not saying anything. I'm you know, I think it's taken out. 0:10:27.927 --> 0:10:30.167 I think it's the best thing that's happened in the 0:10:30.167 --> 0:10:34.407 Olympics the entire time. Did anyone see the breakdancing. 0:10:33.727 --> 0:10:36.967 Lady, it's all from the Olympics. 0:10:38.767 --> 0:10:40.287 Now. I didn't even go to break dancing with the 0:10:40.287 --> 0:10:43.087 eve Olympics thought these days, I think that's fantastic. I 0:10:43.167 --> 0:10:45.327 really really do. I knew that skateboarding had become an 0:10:45.327 --> 0:10:48.207 Olympic one. I can't work out if it was, but 0:10:48.247 --> 0:10:50.887 either way, it has made me very very happy, and 0:10:50.927 --> 0:10:54.367 me and my friends have been ourselves laughing for nearly 0:10:54.447 --> 0:10:56.367 twenty four hours. But I just wanted to know if 0:10:56.367 --> 0:10:59.167 you've seen it. If you haven't seen it, please eat 0:10:59.207 --> 0:11:01.527 the show and google it because it is flah It 0:11:01.607 --> 0:11:04.607 is so funny. It's it's my favorite thing that's happened 0:11:05.527 --> 0:11:07.167 in Olympics this whole whole time. 0:11:08.207 --> 0:11:11.247 Adele just got engaged. She know I'm mad, She yeah 0:11:11.287 --> 0:11:16.047 to her boyfriend he's a big agent. Ah, there's sports stars. 0:11:16.207 --> 0:11:19.487 Maybe you're so reagun. Maybe now she's going to get 0:11:19.567 --> 0:11:23.087 Imagine all the opportunities she will be flooded. 0:11:23.567 --> 0:11:26.807 There's a video of Raygun being shown a guard of 0:11:26.847 --> 0:11:30.007 honor by the Aussie athletes at the closing ceremony, and 0:11:30.047 --> 0:11:33.167 even though she didn't score a point, she probably became 0:11:33.327 --> 0:11:37.207 the most famous Olympian of them all. Holly over the weekend, 0:11:37.207 --> 0:11:40.727 did we see the Internet at its best or it's worst? 0:11:40.927 --> 0:11:43.967 It's so funny because both one hundred percent both, and 0:11:44.127 --> 0:11:47.447 the emotions that I cycled through so quickly in those 0:11:47.527 --> 0:11:49.887 hours trying to figure out how to react to Reygun 0:11:50.327 --> 0:11:52.367 just say everything about the times we live in, right, 0:11:52.727 --> 0:11:57.567 Because first of all, I was like, oh. 0:11:56.767 --> 0:12:01.487 That's uncomfortable. There's like a white Australian woman apparently making 0:12:01.527 --> 0:12:06.247 a hash out of an art form created by black 0:12:06.607 --> 0:12:09.007 artists on the streets of New York City. 0:12:09.327 --> 0:12:11.847 That felt weird for a start, right. Also being a 0:12:11.967 --> 0:12:13.407 kangaroo and a goanna, But. 0:12:13.327 --> 0:12:15.127 Even that I was a bit uncomfortable with because I've 0:12:15.167 --> 0:12:19.087 seen lots of First Nations traditional dancing that references kangaroos 0:12:19.087 --> 0:12:21.367 and go on, think of that and so there was 0:12:21.407 --> 0:12:22.687 another bit of me that went, oh is. 0:12:22.687 --> 0:12:25.727 It appropriation well or is that part of it? And 0:12:25.807 --> 0:12:26.927 is that part of her heritage? 0:12:26.967 --> 0:12:28.767 Like you know, all these things that go through your 0:12:28.767 --> 0:12:31.087 mind of like what am I looking at here? 0:12:31.527 --> 0:12:34.087 Is it okay? Basically this is what you're doing. You're like, 0:12:34.607 --> 0:12:37.327 is it okay? What she's doing? I don't know if 0:12:37.327 --> 0:12:41.407 it's okay. And then also you realize that the trolling 0:12:41.527 --> 0:12:43.847 she would be getting would be unbearable, so you also 0:12:43.887 --> 0:12:46.327 want to kind of lull and slightly disapprove for a while. 0:12:46.367 --> 0:12:47.767 But then you're like, oh, no, that would be bad. 0:12:48.047 --> 0:12:50.527 So no, good on, Raygun, good on you having a go. 0:12:52.327 --> 0:12:54.887 And then you kind of want to see if she's 0:12:54.967 --> 0:12:57.367 in on the joke or not, because then if she's 0:12:57.407 --> 0:12:58.927 in on it, it's okay to laugh. 0:12:59.327 --> 0:13:00.367 And then you saw. 0:13:00.167 --> 0:13:02.167 Her at the closing ceremony, as you reference to this 0:13:02.287 --> 0:13:05.967 morning Jesse, like on the shoulders of the athletes, loving it, sick, 0:13:06.127 --> 0:13:08.887 doing her kangaroo moves, and she is clearly going to 0:13:08.927 --> 0:13:11.087 be on every American talk show this week coming. 0:13:11.447 --> 0:13:14.527 And so you're like, I didn't really know. I just 0:13:14.567 --> 0:13:17.487 didn't say anything. I'm just not going to say anything. 0:13:17.567 --> 0:13:20.807 Until the internet's worked out this is okay. But mostly 0:13:20.847 --> 0:13:24.047 I think we all just so needed a laugh, and 0:13:24.087 --> 0:13:26.967 once we were given permission to laugh at it, it 0:13:27.087 --> 0:13:27.607 was okay. 0:13:28.087 --> 0:13:28.687 You know what I mean? 0:13:28.767 --> 0:13:29.007 Maya? 0:13:29.047 --> 0:13:29.647 What was your take? 0:13:30.127 --> 0:13:33.127 Was it as exhausting for you as it was for me? Yeah? 0:13:33.207 --> 0:13:36.687 I cycled through all those emotions too, because I was like, 0:13:37.367 --> 0:13:40.167 I want to share it, but then everybody was sharing it, 0:13:40.207 --> 0:13:44.847 and then I thought, oh, I'm worried about her. Yeah, 0:13:44.887 --> 0:13:47.487 and then I didn't want to share it, and then 0:13:47.687 --> 0:13:49.407 there were people who were angry about it, which I 0:13:49.407 --> 0:13:52.687 couldn't understand the anger, but yeah, you're right about the 0:13:52.687 --> 0:13:56.167 taxpayers dollars or somehow making a mockery like people who've 0:13:56.207 --> 0:13:58.527 really just sat on their ass watching the Olympics. Suddenly, 0:13:58.647 --> 0:14:00.487 I mean, I know we're all experts on every sport, 0:14:00.527 --> 0:14:03.567 but like, how is that even loud? Then I decided 0:14:03.607 --> 0:14:06.607 to understand a little bit more about breaking because people 0:14:06.607 --> 0:14:08.407 were like, why is it in the Olympics. And it's 0:14:08.447 --> 0:14:11.367 in the Olympics because because the IOC has been trying 0:14:11.407 --> 0:14:14.207 to make the Olympics more relevant to young people. So 0:14:14.247 --> 0:14:18.967 that's why things like BMX and skateboarding and breaking is 0:14:19.087 --> 0:14:22.647 in there. So all the sporting organizations try to get 0:14:22.647 --> 0:14:25.647 their sport included in the Olympics because it's really beneficial 0:14:26.047 --> 0:14:28.847 for the awareness about their sport and it can lead 0:14:28.887 --> 0:14:31.007 to big sponsors and all of those kinds of things. 0:14:31.047 --> 0:14:34.647 So everybody petitions to get their sports included. I've never 0:14:34.767 --> 0:14:37.167 understood when netball's not there, but apparently not enough people 0:14:37.167 --> 0:14:37.527 play it. 0:14:37.847 --> 0:14:39.447 America doesn't play it exactly. 0:14:39.527 --> 0:14:41.407 So there's a lot of politics about what sports are 0:14:41.407 --> 0:14:44.247 included and what's not included, and some people can be 0:14:44.287 --> 0:14:46.487 real purists about oh but how can that be in 0:14:46.527 --> 0:14:48.807 the Olympics. Some people like that about skateboarding this year 0:14:48.807 --> 0:14:52.127 as well. So what happened is that the International Dance 0:14:52.167 --> 0:14:56.327 Federation was saying, we want a dance included, and we 0:14:56.367 --> 0:15:00.007 think maybe ballroom might be good. Oh wow, and. 0:15:00.367 --> 0:15:01.727 Ray gun is a ballroom dance. 0:15:01.807 --> 0:15:05.167 Well, the IOC said, no, no, ballroom is not going 0:15:05.247 --> 0:15:08.967 to help us with the gensds. We need a funky dance. 0:15:09.247 --> 0:15:13.127 Should have had TikTok dances, maybe that'll be Yeah, we 0:15:13.167 --> 0:15:16.607 need a more funky street dance, So bring us your 0:15:16.607 --> 0:15:20.367 youth and bring us breaking and the breaking community were 0:15:20.367 --> 0:15:23.407 a bit like, what really we don't know. And then 0:15:23.727 --> 0:15:25.847 it's not like she just went I'll do it and 0:15:26.527 --> 0:15:29.207 rocked up in Paris. So Adam he is, who's the 0:15:29.447 --> 0:15:32.447 chef de Michau, basically the boss of all the Olympians 0:15:32.447 --> 0:15:34.127 and the Olympic team said. 0:15:34.287 --> 0:15:38.007 What I can say is that I love Rachel and 0:15:38.087 --> 0:15:44.007 I think that what has occurred on social media with 0:15:44.167 --> 0:15:47.567 trolls and keyboard warriors and taking those comments and giving 0:15:47.607 --> 0:15:51.887 them airtime has been really disappointing. If you don't know 0:15:52.007 --> 0:15:54.607 Rachel's story. In two thousand and eight, she was locked 0:15:54.647 --> 0:15:59.407 in a room crying being involved in a male dominated 0:15:59.487 --> 0:16:03.407 sport as the only woman, and it took great courage 0:16:03.447 --> 0:16:07.607 for her to continue on and fight for her opportunity 0:16:07.647 --> 0:16:10.967 to participate in a sport that she loved and that 0:16:11.047 --> 0:16:14.447 got her to winning the Olympic qualifying event to be 0:16:14.607 --> 0:16:18.327 here in Paris. She is the best breakdancer female that 0:16:18.407 --> 0:16:19.607 we have for Australia. 0:16:19.687 --> 0:16:22.047 I think that says it a lot. Really, she used 0:16:22.047 --> 0:16:24.327 the best and so it's true wasn't just her idea. 0:16:24.447 --> 0:16:27.127 But the thing that's interesting about this because yeah, I 0:16:27.167 --> 0:16:29.207 went and watched a lot of the other breakers, right, 0:16:29.847 --> 0:16:32.927 it is very strange to see an art form that 0:16:33.007 --> 0:16:37.367 started on the streets in this arena, even the coolest 0:16:37.487 --> 0:16:40.367 of the cool, and it's an American sport comes from 0:16:40.407 --> 0:16:43.247 it literally was born in New York. Even the coolest 0:16:43.287 --> 0:16:45.807 of the cool people that looked kind of daggy doing 0:16:45.807 --> 0:16:48.727 it in that circumstance, you know what I mean. It's 0:16:48.767 --> 0:16:53.087 a strange sort of transplant from there to there. But 0:16:53.367 --> 0:16:56.087 I can see that a lot of the purest, as 0:16:56.127 --> 0:16:58.327 you were saying, Mia, a lot of the purest of 0:16:58.367 --> 0:17:00.767 breaking don't really approve of it being in this in 0:17:00.807 --> 0:17:04.647 the Lames either. So I imagine because there are breaking competitions 0:17:04.687 --> 0:17:07.247 all over the world, Red Bull of run one for decades, 0:17:07.287 --> 0:17:11.447 and Australia has lots of semi professional and professional breaking cruise. 0:17:11.487 --> 0:17:14.247 You'll see them breaking through breaking through all the time 0:17:14.287 --> 0:17:17.327 on like talent shows or whatever. But I imagine that the 0:17:17.367 --> 0:17:19.607 people who want to go and do this is a 0:17:19.647 --> 0:17:21.447 relatively small group of breakers. 0:17:21.527 --> 0:17:23.727 Yeah, and as you say, I think I've read that 0:17:23.807 --> 0:17:25.847 when you're hosting, you get to choose a few, you 0:17:25.887 --> 0:17:27.487 get to pull a bit of rank and go we're 0:17:27.487 --> 0:17:29.767 going to do breaking this year. And so in LA 0:17:29.887 --> 0:17:34.087 they're doing cricket, which Australia is very excited about Yeah. 0:17:34.087 --> 0:17:36.047 A lot of people going why is they're breaking and 0:17:36.247 --> 0:17:38.687 not netball? But I think that what made this so 0:17:38.807 --> 0:17:41.327 funny was that I knew the breaking was on and 0:17:41.407 --> 0:17:44.687 I didn't have high hopes for Australia. I went, this 0:17:44.847 --> 0:17:48.367 is I don't think we have an enormous amount of context. 0:17:48.727 --> 0:17:51.127 It's not like swimming that we have it, you know 0:17:51.207 --> 0:17:55.367 as cannival at every school. But I read an article 0:17:55.447 --> 0:17:58.087 by Peter fitz Simon in the Sydney Morning Herald and 0:17:58.127 --> 0:18:00.367 it was called I am Reygun, You are Reygan, We 0:18:00.407 --> 0:18:04.327 are all ray Gun and he basically argued that he 0:18:04.367 --> 0:18:07.367 saw the memification and things getting cruel and whatever, but 0:18:07.487 --> 0:18:10.167 he went in the context of the Olympics, which has 0:18:10.207 --> 0:18:15.247 been about excellence and precision and high stakes, to have 0:18:15.367 --> 0:18:19.847 Australia get behind someone who did her own thing, tried 0:18:19.887 --> 0:18:24.327 her best, was an underdog, didn't win, has been actually 0:18:24.687 --> 0:18:27.887 quite a uniquely Australian experience, Like we got very much 0:18:27.927 --> 0:18:31.767 behind her quite quickly, and I really appreciated. 0:18:31.127 --> 0:18:32.727 The vibe of Reygun. 0:18:32.527 --> 0:18:34.407 Yeah, and that we could produce someone like that and 0:18:34.447 --> 0:18:36.447 just as quickly be like, yeah, no, we stand behind 0:18:36.447 --> 0:18:37.047 that performance. 0:18:37.087 --> 0:18:37.567 We love it. 0:18:37.727 --> 0:18:39.407 Yeah, that's why I got annoyed with a lot of 0:18:39.447 --> 0:18:41.767 the commentary and the snarky. There are a lot of 0:18:41.847 --> 0:18:44.367 opinion columns that I went, oh, I know you wanted 0:18:44.407 --> 0:18:48.967 to bash something out quickly, but like, I really liked that. 0:18:49.047 --> 0:18:51.167 It was a moment of joy that kind of brought 0:18:51.247 --> 0:18:54.767 everyone together, and once we knew that she was in 0:18:54.847 --> 0:18:57.487 on it, Yeah, he gave us all permission to be like, 0:18:57.567 --> 0:18:58.687 this is just a bit of fun. 0:18:58.767 --> 0:19:02.127 There have been historically some of these kind of characters 0:19:02.127 --> 0:19:05.567 that have broken through in other games. There was Eddie 0:19:05.607 --> 0:19:10.127 the Eagle, the English skier who wasn't very good, And 0:19:10.167 --> 0:19:13.887 there was Eric the Eel. He was from Equatorial Guinea 0:19:13.927 --> 0:19:18.527 and he couldn't swim very well, and he became absolutely 0:19:18.727 --> 0:19:21.887 iconic at the Sydney Games. I remember him so well, 0:19:22.527 --> 0:19:25.287 and I just think sometimes when that happens, I love 0:19:25.447 --> 0:19:29.247 being reminded that the Games is about trying. It's not 0:19:29.367 --> 0:19:32.087 just about winning. And I know people say, but it's 0:19:32.087 --> 0:19:34.607 also about the best in the world. She is the 0:19:34.607 --> 0:19:37.407 best that we've got who wanted to go to the Olympics. 0:19:38.647 --> 0:19:41.767 It's interesting too that actually America didn't win. The female 0:19:41.807 --> 0:19:47.127 beagle was Japanese and the American male place bronze. So 0:19:47.287 --> 0:19:49.487 you know, it may have originated their breaking, but it 0:19:49.527 --> 0:19:50.967 has long since jumped. 0:19:50.687 --> 0:19:51.887 The shark and gone all over the world. 0:19:52.087 --> 0:19:55.327 It reminded me in the eighties when breakdancing was becoming 0:19:55.327 --> 0:19:58.207 big in England. My brother, who is a skinny, ginger 0:19:58.367 --> 0:20:01.607 white dude and has always been cooler than me, started 0:20:01.607 --> 0:20:04.927