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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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Speaker 2: Momma Mia out loud. It's what women are actually talking

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Speaker 2: about on Monday, the twelfth of August.

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Speaker 1: I'm Holly Wayne Wright.

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Speaker 3: I'm mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stephen.

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Speaker 2: And on the show today, the Olympics is over and

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Speaker 2: we have a lot to unpack. Notably, the entire world

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Speaker 2: is talking, laughing and meaning about one Australian woman.

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Speaker 1: We decode the ray gun phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: Plus more athletes have asked their other halves to marry

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Speaker 2: them at this Olympics than ever before, and I have

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Speaker 2: questions for the marriage, about it all, the Tom Cruisners

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Speaker 2: of the closing ceremony and why we all care just

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Speaker 2: so damn much. Also, you can't turn around at the

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Speaker 2: moment without Blake Lively whipping you in the face with

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Speaker 2: that gorgeous hair. So what's all this about a rift derailing?

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Speaker 2: It ends with us, but first me a freedman.

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Speaker 1: In case you missed it, women are filming themselves getting

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Speaker 1: their IUDs inserted and removed and posting the videos to

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Speaker 1: social media to highlight how much it hurts. Now, we're

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Speaker 1: not going to play you anything because it's just women

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Speaker 1: basically screaming in it. Is it? Yes, it is for

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Speaker 1: though it's not familiar with what an iud actually is.

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Speaker 1: It's a type of contraception. It's about three centimeters long,

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Speaker 1: and it's a T shaped plastic device with a vertical

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Speaker 1: stem and two horizontal arms, and sometimes it has a

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Speaker 1: copper coil or a hormone sort of reservoir, and it's

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Speaker 1: got a thin string that hangs from the bottom of it.

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Speaker 3: It's like a fish hawk.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, it does. It's inserted inside your uterus, now,

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Speaker 1: not your vagina, your uterus, so female anatomy. There's the

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Speaker 1: opening bit, then there's the vagina, then there's the cervix,

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Speaker 1: and then all the way through the cervix, which is

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Speaker 1: usually closed quite tightly. Is the uterus.

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Speaker 3: Your cervix should be closed until better baby pat is

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Speaker 3: coming out.

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Speaker 1: Is very closed. It's got quite far to go. It's

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Speaker 1: got a long way. It's got a really really long way,

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Speaker 1: and then the string kind of hangs out the bottom

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Speaker 1: of your cervix. Now, most women aren't offered any form

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Speaker 1: of pain relief during the procedure, and are often shocked

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Speaker 1: and distressed by how much it hurts. I had been

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Speaker 1: forewarned before I got mine, about ten years ago or so,

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Speaker 1: and I had friends who said it was so painful

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Speaker 1: they actually vomited on themselves. It was more painful than childbirth.

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Speaker 3: I did a story from Mamma Maya about this, maybe

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Speaker 3: women who went to get it inserted and they caught

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Speaker 3: I can't catch the bus home. I'm throwing up. Someone fainted,

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Speaker 3: like they really really found it painful. And with any

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Speaker 3: of this stuff, there's such variation in individual experience, in

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Speaker 3: your experience of pain. And also I've always had very

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Speaker 3: painful perhaps mere or cervical screenings because some people have

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Speaker 3: like a bit of a tilted uterus, So it hurts

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Speaker 3: some people more than others.

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Speaker 1: And some medical practitioners, bless them, are better at it

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Speaker 1: than others because an IUD is something that it sounds

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Speaker 1: quite full on, and it is full on. But you

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Speaker 1: GP can do it now. It's not something a GP

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Speaker 1: They might not be skilled at Oh, you've had it

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Speaker 1: at the GP. I went and got it at the guy. No, no,

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Speaker 1: with a local anesthetic.

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Speaker 2: Lays just gone to the GP with all these things.

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Speaker 3: You've raw dogged, You've raw dogged your ig raw dogged.

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Speaker 1: Dee. Use about this story. I have to examine my

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Speaker 1: reaction to it, because you're very strong, be honest, you said, Maya,

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Speaker 1: women are all filming themselves while they're getting it done,

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Speaker 1: and then me, it was like I did that, Oh

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Speaker 2: That I remember the first time I had an IUD

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Speaker 2: and said it, I went to my GP. Actually I

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Speaker 1: But possibly a little shaky. Little Joe Biden was like

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Speaker 2: It made me think about all the experiences I've had,

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Speaker 2: whether it be cervical screenings, various kind of pelvic examinations,

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Speaker 2: And I think the thing is we've just been conditioned,

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Speaker 2: female practitioners everywhere. They're like, ah, actually, why should everything

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Speaker 2: we do have to be.

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Speaker 1: Why should this offering pain?

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Speaker 3: It's not going to get a filling. It's not like,

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Speaker 3: all right, this is a terrible experience. Like dentists have

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Speaker 3: done a fantastic job at their rebranding, but.

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Speaker 1: No one would ever consider getting dental work. It's only

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the pain experienced by women that

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Speaker 1: we think that there's some nobility in it, or that

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Speaker 1: we decide that it's not worth pain medication. But medical

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Speaker 1: authorities in the US have actually this week released new

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Speaker 1: guidelines that say doctors must inform patients about pain management

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Speaker 3: That's really good.

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Speaker 1: So basically we are saying, if you are going to

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't hurt everybody, like also just most people, but.

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Speaker 2: On a scale, because as Jesse just said, like our

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Speaker 2: anatomies are all a bit different. Yeah, so some things

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Speaker 2: and our pain thresholds are all different too.

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Speaker 1: But there's options, is the points. So just remember to

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Speaker 1: ask about those options, and if you've got a friend

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Speaker 2: Doctor, I don't think i'd love that. Everybody's filming everything now.

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Speaker 1: Well, when I wonder that when I was filming, I

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Speaker 1: didn't film her. I was filming it. She goes, are

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Speaker 3: Out loud?

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Speaker 1: I'm filming me. I was filming.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I see it on TikTok like people in

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Speaker 3: I fully support and endorse this. I know what they're

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Speaker 3: on them for going This shouldn't hurt. But generally the filming,

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Speaker 3: I think if I was the doctor, I go focus

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Speaker 1: It's also true.

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Speaker 4: First, let me say, anyone on that stage is the

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Speaker 4: decision and responsibility of the governing body for a committee

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Speaker 4: from each country just to stand up and say, hey,

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Speaker 4: like this girl doesn't reach qualifications of someone who should

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Speaker 4: be performing on that level, protect hip hop culture.

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Speaker 1: I think today might have been the first time that

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Speaker 1: she breakdas no Olympics. She's like some own bios doing

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Speaker 3: This is a disrespect to order athletes who have come

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Speaker 4: There is no way that there isn't a better breakdancer

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Speaker 4: that's on the street dancing right.

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Speaker 5: Now than her.

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Speaker 3: A viral performance, a cruel backlash, and a swift reclamation.

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Speaker 3: Big Girl raygun was the Olympic story no one saw coming.

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Speaker 3: Breakdancer and academic Rachel Gunn represented Australia at the first

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Speaker 3: she win, No, Did she score a point?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: Did she deliver the most iconic performance of the Games

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Speaker 3: without a doubt. If you haven't seen it, ray Gun

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Speaker 3: bat other bee girls pulling out a kangaroo hop, a

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Speaker 3: to describe the rest, but it's fair to say it

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Speaker 3: wasn't what anyone expected. And the uniform also attracted some commentary.

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Speaker 3: It was a bit cricketer, it was a ball person.

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Speaker 1: Well, the other be girls didn't wear their national uniforms.

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Speaker 3: No, she didn't get the memo. And she had a

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Speaker 3: she didn't necessarily look like a breaker. I first saw

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Speaker 3: the performance on Saturday morning, and the commentary was ruthless.

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Speaker 3: People were saying, how did she get there? If any

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Speaker 3: of my taxpayer dollars went towards that performance, I'm angry.

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Speaker 1: Some people were angry, which I couldn't understand.

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Speaker 3: It was the initial It was not.

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Speaker 1: One of my feelings, but I sailed through.

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Speaker 3: There were theories that she was trying to make a statement.

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Speaker 3: Over the weekend she posted on Instagram, don't be afraid

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Speaker 1: Is it true that she has a PhD In breakdancing

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Speaker 3: And cultural studies from Macora Uni, which is where I

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Speaker 1: I just when it went from breakdancing to just breaking.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that's what it originally was started there, and then

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Speaker 3: But just as quickly as snarky opinion columns were churned out,

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Speaker 3: I was looking at them on Saturday. There was one

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Speaker 3: Olympics and if this happened in any other sport there

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Speaker 1: My goodness, definitely there should be.

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Speaker 3: But no.

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Speaker 1: Imagine getting that call we need you to do a job.

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Speaker 3: No sooner had that happened that the tide turned. Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister Albanezi said good on her and a big shout

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Speaker 3: out to her. That is in the Australian tradition of

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Speaker 3: people having a go. She had to go representing our country.

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Speaker 3: That's a good thing. The Olympics is about people participating

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Speaker 3: in sport. That's a good thing. Gun had a crack.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Albow.

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Speaker 3: Then there was Adele Adele had something to say. She

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Speaker 3: regarding Ray Gun.

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Speaker 6: It's all that me and my friends have been talking

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Speaker 6: not saying anything. I'm you know, I think it's taken out.

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Speaker 6: I think it's the best thing that's happened in the

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Speaker 6: Olympics the entire time. Did anyone see the breakdancing.

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Speaker 1: Lady, it's all from the Olympics.

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Speaker 6: Now. I didn't even go to break dancing with the

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Speaker 6: eve Olympics thought these days, I think that's fantastic. I

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Speaker 6: really really do. I knew that skateboarding had become an

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Speaker 6: me and my friends have been ourselves laughing for nearly

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Speaker 6: twenty four hours. But I just wanted to know if

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Speaker 6: you've seen it. If you haven't seen it, please eat

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Speaker 6: the show and google it because it is flah It

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Speaker 1: So everybody petitions to get their sports included. I've never

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of politics about what sports are

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Speaker 5: Rachel's story. In two thousand and eight, she was locked

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Speaker 1: I think that says it a lot. Really, she used

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Speaker 2: But the thing that's interesting about this because yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and as you say, I think I've read that

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Speaker 1: The vibe of Reygun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I got annoyed with a lot of

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Speaker 1: There have been historically some of these kind of characters

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Speaker 2: It's interesting too that actually America didn't win. The female

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Speaker 2: It reminded me in the eighties when breakdancing was becoming

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Speaker 1: What I remember the most that.

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Speaker 1: My brother had spun on the frog. Do you remember

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Speaker 1: Cool Running, the movie that was made about a true

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Speaker 3: And there was something about Snoop Dogg's presence at the

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Speaker 1: Oh good vibes, great? Why what a great time time

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Speaker 1: It's our best ever performance. A recap of what you

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Speaker 1: Ray Gun was the life of that party. If she

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Speaker 2: They're also loose on the They're like blasting Taylor swift

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Speaker 3: I wonder if Raygun was a few days earlier, if

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Speaker 1: Think people would have been upset about that because the

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Speaker 1: as well, and I couldn't quite work it out until

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Speaker 1: I saw him perform stunt. He loves stunts. You can't

439
00:22:10,967 --> 00:22:12,167
Speaker 1: stop him jumping off things.

440
00:22:12,207 --> 00:22:12,487
Speaker 3: That's all.

441
00:22:12,527 --> 00:22:15,287
Speaker 1: He's doing his own stunts. He just won't sit down

442
00:22:15,327 --> 00:22:17,687
Speaker 1: and think. He didn't feel young. He's sixty two now.

443
00:22:18,407 --> 00:22:22,887
Speaker 1: And he leaped from the roof of the stadium for

444
00:22:22,967 --> 00:22:26,807
Speaker 1: the ceremonial Olympic flag handover because I couldn't work out

445
00:22:27,007 --> 00:22:31,447
Speaker 1: what cultural relevance Tom Cruise had. But as you said, Jesse,

446
00:22:31,727 --> 00:22:34,647
Speaker 1: it's being handed over to La. So what happened is

447
00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:37,127
Speaker 1: that at the end of the ceremony, the people with

448
00:22:37,207 --> 00:22:39,207
Speaker 1: the flag have to hand it to the next people,

449
00:22:39,807 --> 00:22:43,967
Speaker 1: and so he took the Olympic flag and he attached

450
00:22:44,007 --> 00:22:45,887
Speaker 1: it to the back of a motorcycle because he's always

451
00:22:45,887 --> 00:22:48,647
Speaker 1: on it motorcycle after he jumps out of things, and

452
00:22:48,727 --> 00:22:51,007
Speaker 1: he sort of cruised through the crowd with the It

453
00:22:51,087 --> 00:22:53,567
Speaker 1: was very random and kind of I quite.

454
00:22:53,647 --> 00:22:56,687
Speaker 3: Very movie star, which is probably the theme of LA.

455
00:22:56,727 --> 00:23:00,007
Speaker 1: And then they flashed to LA because I'd also forgotten

456
00:23:00,007 --> 00:23:01,807
Speaker 1: about that. The people who get it next get a

457
00:23:01,807 --> 00:23:04,487
Speaker 1: little bit of time in the closing ceremony to sort

458
00:23:04,487 --> 00:23:07,967
Speaker 1: of do their thing and showcase their future weares and

459
00:23:08,087 --> 00:23:10,247
Speaker 1: that was just really it concept. It looked like it

460
00:23:10,287 --> 00:23:13,247
Speaker 1: was maybe at Venice Beach. Snoop was there, of course,

461
00:23:13,367 --> 00:23:16,367
Speaker 1: how did he care for me? Very quickly drop it

462
00:23:16,447 --> 00:23:16,927
Speaker 1: like it's hot.

463
00:23:16,967 --> 00:23:18,927
Speaker 3: He was there with Ray Gun and the next Name.

464
00:23:18,927 --> 00:23:22,007
Speaker 1: The Eilish was there, and also the Red Hot Chili

465
00:23:22,007 --> 00:23:23,767
Speaker 1: Peppers and Doctor Dre.

466
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Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of tiktoks from grumpy athletes. They

467
00:23:26,287 --> 00:23:29,127
Speaker 2: were like, we were told that Billie Eilish and the

468
00:23:29,127 --> 00:23:32,087
Speaker 2: Red Hot Chili Peppers were performing at the closing.

469
00:23:31,727 --> 00:23:33,607
Speaker 1: Ceremony and they were on a zoom call.

470
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Speaker 3: I got up this morning and just put on the

471
00:23:37,887 --> 00:23:41,247
Speaker 3: closing ceremony and suddenly I'm watching a Snoop dog concept

472
00:23:41,287 --> 00:23:42,007
Speaker 3: because they were.

473
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Speaker 1: Working from home. Yes, I was like, this is just

474
00:23:45,127 --> 00:23:47,767
Speaker 1: they weren't about them. They were like, we'll dial it in.

475
00:23:48,447 --> 00:23:50,887
Speaker 3: No, Snoop was so passionate about the Olympics.

476
00:23:52,047 --> 00:23:54,527
Speaker 2: He got paid a lot of money by NBC to go.

477
00:23:54,927 --> 00:23:55,847
Speaker 2: He really embraced it.

478
00:23:55,887 --> 00:23:59,567
Speaker 1: Though they got their money's worth, the outfits, the coordination to.

479
00:23:59,607 --> 00:24:02,927
Speaker 2: Martha Stewart of it all. Yeah, I have no idea,

480
00:24:02,967 --> 00:24:05,407
Speaker 2: but he really proved them right. I want to ask

481
00:24:05,447 --> 00:24:07,887
Speaker 2: you to something because another record that was broken at

482
00:24:07,887 --> 00:24:11,607
Speaker 2: the Olympics this year, which is very fitting for Paris

483
00:24:11,647 --> 00:24:16,007
Speaker 2: because it's the romantic place, right, was the number of proposals.

484
00:24:16,047 --> 00:24:20,527
Speaker 2: So seven different athletes got proposed to or proposed at

485
00:24:20,567 --> 00:24:23,367
Speaker 2: the Olympics, and so much so that it actually got

486
00:24:23,367 --> 00:24:27,447
Speaker 2: referenced in the closing ceremony by one of the French

487
00:24:27,447 --> 00:24:29,687
Speaker 2: officials saying, this is a record. We're very proud to

488
00:24:29,727 --> 00:24:31,887
Speaker 2: have more proposals than ever and you're like, well, I

489
00:24:31,967 --> 00:24:35,727
Speaker 2: don't know, that's what we were here for. But they

490
00:24:35,767 --> 00:24:39,527
Speaker 2: included French track and field athlete Alice Finot and she

491
00:24:39,807 --> 00:24:43,007
Speaker 2: proposed to her boyfriend by the track side, an American

492
00:24:43,047 --> 00:24:46,847
Speaker 2: shot putterer he proposed and American rower proposed in fact,

493
00:24:47,247 --> 00:24:50,047
Speaker 2: and this is another whole layer to this. This American

494
00:24:50,087 --> 00:24:53,807
Speaker 2: rower just invest proposed live on the Today Show to

495
00:24:53,967 --> 00:24:57,327
Speaker 2: his girlfriend in the presence of family members who were

496
00:24:57,327 --> 00:25:00,847
Speaker 2: holding two thousand, seven hundred and thirty eight yellow roses,

497
00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:03,607
Speaker 2: a symbol of every day the two have maintained their

498
00:25:03,647 --> 00:25:09,527
Speaker 2: snapchat streak.

499
00:25:10,127 --> 00:25:16,687
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, that's so. The snapchat streak is considerable, But

500
00:25:17,407 --> 00:25:20,527
Speaker 1: do we love love the athletes taking this moment to

501
00:25:20,567 --> 00:25:22,407
Speaker 1: be all about their love or is it kind of

502
00:25:22,487 --> 00:25:25,327
Speaker 1: like jumping in on a big moment for them? What

503
00:25:25,407 --> 00:25:26,527
Speaker 1: do we think married people?

504
00:25:26,567 --> 00:25:30,607
Speaker 3: It's a city of love you've forgotten. And Olympic proposals

505
00:25:30,647 --> 00:25:33,847
Speaker 3: have been on the increase since about twenty sixteen, since

506
00:25:33,887 --> 00:25:37,887
Speaker 3: the phones and the phone the contest situation. I loved

507
00:25:37,927 --> 00:25:39,607
Speaker 3: the woman who did it. I thought that was really cool.

508
00:25:39,687 --> 00:25:42,527
Speaker 1: I didn't see a single proposal. Are these athletes proposing

509
00:25:42,527 --> 00:25:43,887
Speaker 1: to other athletes.

510
00:25:43,527 --> 00:25:44,807
Speaker 2: Or their partners in the crowd?

511
00:25:45,047 --> 00:25:48,527
Speaker 3: Some some are But the French athlete came fourth and

512
00:25:48,567 --> 00:25:50,287
Speaker 3: then she went up to her partner who was in

513
00:25:50,327 --> 00:25:52,727
Speaker 3: the crowd, and proposed and kind of got down on

514
00:25:52,727 --> 00:25:54,047
Speaker 3: one knee. It was really cool.

515
00:25:54,807 --> 00:25:57,727
Speaker 1: But I always get it. So not on podiums, no

516
00:25:57,727 --> 00:26:03,367
Speaker 1: one interruptedly, like often after their final thing, so whether

517
00:26:03,407 --> 00:26:06,487
Speaker 1: they won something or whether they didn't win something like

518
00:26:06,567 --> 00:26:08,847
Speaker 1: but you know, their girlfriend, boyfriend whatever is by the

519
00:26:08,847 --> 00:26:11,047
Speaker 1: side of the track and they run over and drop

520
00:26:11,087 --> 00:26:12,367
Speaker 1: to one and all the cameras are there.

521
00:26:12,407 --> 00:26:17,487
Speaker 3: Right, your body is probably coursing with endorphins and adrenaline.

522
00:26:17,927 --> 00:26:21,407
Speaker 3: You're in a foreign city, You've got cameras on you.

523
00:26:21,407 --> 00:26:22,687
Speaker 1: You want to do something memorable.

524
00:26:22,807 --> 00:26:25,327
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've also like been in this training hole,

525
00:26:25,727 --> 00:26:29,847
Speaker 3: and I reckon that most people where there's like a proposal,

526
00:26:30,207 --> 00:26:33,367
Speaker 3: there's an understanding that you either were or weren't getting married,

527
00:26:33,567 --> 00:26:35,647
Speaker 3: Like it's probably been discussed, and there's a lot of

528
00:26:35,647 --> 00:26:37,567
Speaker 3: people who were like, oh, you put them on the spot.

529
00:26:37,607 --> 00:26:38,367
Speaker 3: They can't say no.

530
00:26:38,967 --> 00:26:40,287
Speaker 1: Did you have that understanding?

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like proposed, there's still like a surprise element of

532
00:26:43,727 --> 00:26:45,487
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was going to happen today.

533
00:26:45,327 --> 00:26:46,967
Speaker 1: When I was wearing these socks and shit.

534
00:26:47,047 --> 00:26:50,167
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but this concern trolling of going, oh, that

535
00:26:50,287 --> 00:26:52,487
Speaker 3: poor woman, she can't say no. It's like I'm sure

536
00:26:52,607 --> 00:26:56,487
Speaker 3: her fiance knows her better than I do. Like if

537
00:26:56,487 --> 00:26:58,047
Speaker 3: that's it's not something I would.

538
00:26:57,967 --> 00:26:59,567
Speaker 1: Like policing people's proposals.

539
00:26:59,847 --> 00:27:02,007
Speaker 3: Policing proposals, So I don't mind it.

540
00:27:02,087 --> 00:27:04,447
Speaker 2: I'm not policing them, but this is my issue with it.

541
00:27:04,487 --> 00:27:05,647
Speaker 2: I like as many.

542
00:27:05,527 --> 00:27:06,847
Speaker 1: Little treats as possible.

543
00:27:07,047 --> 00:27:09,687
Speaker 2: So I'm like, would you not maybe want have the

544
00:27:09,727 --> 00:27:12,047
Speaker 2: moment of the I made it to the Olympics and

545
00:27:12,087 --> 00:27:14,727
Speaker 2: I've finished and that's something to celebrate, and then the

546
00:27:14,767 --> 00:27:17,287
Speaker 2: proposal is something to celebrate. But I think you've nailed

547
00:27:17,327 --> 00:27:20,527
Speaker 2: it Jesse. I think the adrenaline, the excitement, like you

548
00:27:20,647 --> 00:27:24,127
Speaker 2: probably have never loved them more. If they've been driving

549
00:27:24,167 --> 00:27:26,607
Speaker 2: you to the pool every day, or they've been cheering

550
00:27:26,647 --> 00:27:29,247
Speaker 2: you on at the sidelines all the time, or you know,

551
00:27:29,287 --> 00:27:31,727
Speaker 2: whatever it might be, you probably have never loved them more.

552
00:27:31,727 --> 00:27:33,527
Speaker 2: So you're just like, let's.

553
00:27:33,247 --> 00:27:35,527
Speaker 1: Do it, and let's make sure we've got two thy

554
00:27:35,647 --> 00:27:39,527
Speaker 1: seven hundred rose. I also think that you have to

555
00:27:39,567 --> 00:27:44,607
Speaker 1: be so single minded to be an athlete at that level,

556
00:27:45,167 --> 00:27:48,047
Speaker 1: that the sacrifices that your partner would have to make,

557
00:27:48,887 --> 00:27:52,767
Speaker 1: and how boring you would be for a really long time,

558
00:27:52,967 --> 00:27:54,567
Speaker 1: and the highs and the lows that they would have

559
00:27:54,607 --> 00:27:57,007
Speaker 1: to endure. So to me, it's almost like a thank

560
00:27:57,047 --> 00:28:01,447
Speaker 1: you and an acknowledgment. And also if it's the end

561
00:28:01,487 --> 00:28:04,127
Speaker 1: of your Olympic journey, it is a little treat. It's

562
00:28:04,167 --> 00:28:04,807
Speaker 1: a little treat.

563
00:28:05,207 --> 00:28:07,847
Speaker 3: I want to talk about the Olympics more broadly as

564
00:28:07,847 --> 00:28:09,687
Speaker 3: we come to a close. I mean said I had

565
00:28:09,687 --> 00:28:13,087
Speaker 3: it on this morning and hearing the Australian commentators all

566
00:28:13,127 --> 00:28:17,287
Speaker 3: say au Revoir was just particularly beautiful because none of

567
00:28:17,367 --> 00:28:20,127
Speaker 3: them could still say it, And did you see the

568
00:28:20,207 --> 00:28:22,847
Speaker 3: my Way performance The woman at themar she was singing

569
00:28:22,847 --> 00:28:24,327
Speaker 3: my Way, and I was thinking about Reagun and I

570
00:28:24,327 --> 00:28:28,167
Speaker 3: was like, this is the most did We still had

571
00:28:28,167 --> 00:28:30,847
Speaker 3: the Paralympics, as we say, and Australia is very good there.

572
00:28:31,127 --> 00:28:33,807
Speaker 3: So I highly recommend people watch because we're going to

573
00:28:33,847 --> 00:28:35,847
Speaker 3: win a lot of gold medals. But I wanted to

574
00:28:35,887 --> 00:28:39,287
Speaker 3: talk about the last two weeks because I was speaking

575
00:28:39,247 --> 00:28:41,127
Speaker 3: about this morning and she was saying, they're handing over

576
00:28:41,167 --> 00:28:44,607
Speaker 3: to la was Harris. There was someone there to kind.

577
00:28:44,367 --> 00:28:47,087
Speaker 1: Of a presidential receiving.

578
00:28:46,567 --> 00:28:49,567
Speaker 3: The same way Macron was there, and I was like, oh,

579
00:28:49,607 --> 00:28:53,567
Speaker 3: I'd forgotten that the US team, like the Simone Biles,

580
00:28:53,607 --> 00:28:56,887
Speaker 3: the US athletes, had any relationship to this presidential race

581
00:28:56,887 --> 00:28:58,687
Speaker 3: happening on the other side of the world. Like it

582
00:28:58,767 --> 00:29:00,647
Speaker 3: really took us out of that.

583
00:29:00,647 --> 00:29:03,727
Speaker 1: That's true, because it was we've come to see America

584
00:29:03,807 --> 00:29:07,527
Speaker 1: as being so divided for so long now, like ever

585
00:29:07,567 --> 00:29:10,287
Speaker 1: since Trump, which is what hundred years ago, it feels like,

586
00:29:10,687 --> 00:29:13,487
Speaker 1: and there was none of that. No, I know, you're

587
00:29:13,527 --> 00:29:15,567
Speaker 1: not allowed to wear a MAGA hat if you're competing,

588
00:29:15,567 --> 00:29:17,767
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to have any kind of political protest

589
00:29:17,807 --> 00:29:20,567
Speaker 1: or political statement at all. Yeah, it was almost like

590
00:29:20,567 --> 00:29:21,807
Speaker 1: this magic window.

591
00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:24,087
Speaker 3: The Olympics is also the US at their best, like

592
00:29:24,127 --> 00:29:27,047
Speaker 3: they really they just do such a good job. And

593
00:29:27,327 --> 00:29:29,807
Speaker 3: we talk about how divided we are, and you know,

594
00:29:29,927 --> 00:29:32,327
Speaker 3: seeing the worst in humanity at the moment projected on

595
00:29:32,367 --> 00:29:33,887
Speaker 3: the news. And there are the riots in the UK,

596
00:29:34,007 --> 00:29:36,927
Speaker 3: as you talked about last week, Hollie, an assassination attempt

597
00:29:36,967 --> 00:29:40,327
Speaker 3: in the US. It's easy to feel nihilistic and disillusioned,

598
00:29:41,207 --> 00:29:43,287
Speaker 3: but the Olympics pulled us all in one direction.

599
00:29:43,407 --> 00:29:43,807
Speaker 7: Do you know what?

600
00:29:43,847 --> 00:29:46,727
Speaker 1: It was a reminder of about the beauty of not

601
00:29:46,927 --> 00:29:51,167
Speaker 1: just a monoculture, like when the whole world experiences something,

602
00:29:51,167 --> 00:29:53,367
Speaker 1: and we had that in a negative way with COVID,

603
00:29:53,407 --> 00:29:57,327
Speaker 1: but in a positive way. And there's no division about

604
00:29:57,367 --> 00:30:00,647
Speaker 1: the Olympics apart from Rackham. And there's also no different

605
00:30:00,727 --> 00:30:03,847
Speaker 1: truths and different facts like when you look at true

606
00:30:03,967 --> 00:30:09,167
Speaker 1: other news stories, you've got in many cases two polarized

607
00:30:09,767 --> 00:30:14,247
Speaker 1: sides who don't even acknowledge that each other has any humanity,

608
00:30:14,367 --> 00:30:16,887
Speaker 1: that they're working with the same facts, but that all

609
00:30:16,927 --> 00:30:18,167
Speaker 1: gets swept away.

610
00:30:18,327 --> 00:30:21,127
Speaker 3: It's so simple being like let's say who can run

611
00:30:21,127 --> 00:30:23,287
Speaker 3: the fastest, and then you watch people run, and then

612
00:30:23,327 --> 00:30:26,207
Speaker 3: one finishes the fishline and you're like, oh, my brain

613
00:30:26,247 --> 00:30:26,887
Speaker 3: can comput.

614
00:30:27,047 --> 00:30:30,047
Speaker 2: I want to agree with you so badly because I

615
00:30:30,087 --> 00:30:33,607
Speaker 2: agree that's not entirely true. I saw a lot of

616
00:30:33,767 --> 00:30:37,367
Speaker 2: headlines on the weekend, including in The Australian when Amani

617
00:30:37,447 --> 00:30:40,807
Speaker 2: Khaliff won the boxing gold medals, saying that the Olympics

618
00:30:40,887 --> 00:30:43,927
Speaker 2: was a joke over this gender stuff, and there's been

619
00:30:43,967 --> 00:30:45,847
Speaker 2: a bit of it bubbling away. I don't think you

620
00:30:45,847 --> 00:30:50,127
Speaker 2: can entirely escape the culture wars. Interestingly, Simone Biles no

621
00:30:50,207 --> 00:30:53,127
Speaker 2: political statements allowed, but she donated a million dollars for

622
00:30:53,167 --> 00:30:56,007
Speaker 2: each of her gold medals to Kamala Harris's campaign, So

623
00:30:56,087 --> 00:30:59,447
Speaker 2: she just waved million dollars to Kamala. One of the

624
00:30:59,447 --> 00:31:03,407
Speaker 2: things that's wonderful about the Olympics is it's optimism pushes

625
00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:08,527
Speaker 2: through all our snaky, very online informed pessimism. And I

626
00:31:08,567 --> 00:31:10,047
Speaker 2: think it happened every time.

627
00:31:10,247 --> 00:31:10,847
Speaker 1: I remember.

628
00:31:11,247 --> 00:31:13,687
Speaker 2: London was the same, Sydney was the same. Even when

629
00:31:14,087 --> 00:31:16,727
Speaker 2: people are all going wood, it's really expensive to have

630
00:31:16,807 --> 00:31:19,287
Speaker 2: it and it's so inconvenient for everyone who lives there,

631
00:31:19,527 --> 00:31:22,007
Speaker 2: and the IOC is really corrupt, and there's this and

632
00:31:22,007 --> 00:31:23,647
Speaker 2: there's that, and dah dah, da da dah. But then

633
00:31:23,727 --> 00:31:27,047
Speaker 2: when it happens for those two weeks, it's almost as

634
00:31:27,087 --> 00:31:29,407
Speaker 2: long as nothing terrible goes wrong, of course, and this

635
00:31:29,527 --> 00:31:31,567
Speaker 2: was also true the last one, Tokyo was very different

636
00:31:31,567 --> 00:31:33,647
Speaker 2: because of COVID, but a lot of people were watching

637
00:31:33,687 --> 00:31:36,127
Speaker 2: it in lockdown, so that gave it another meaning. And

638
00:31:36,167 --> 00:31:40,367
Speaker 2: it's like our sort of optimism, immunity like pushes through

639
00:31:40,927 --> 00:31:44,447
Speaker 2: all that sort of snark and pessimism for just a

640
00:31:44,487 --> 00:31:46,727
Speaker 2: week or so, and it's it is lovely.

641
00:31:47,087 --> 00:31:50,407
Speaker 1: It felt fun and it felt relevant. You're right. I

642
00:31:50,447 --> 00:31:53,847
Speaker 1: barely even remember the Tokyo games. They were very different games.

643
00:31:53,887 --> 00:31:56,647
Speaker 1: There were no spectators. Everyone had to wear masks so

644
00:31:56,687 --> 00:32:00,087
Speaker 1: you couldn't see people's faces a lot, and the humanity

645
00:32:00,167 --> 00:32:03,727
Speaker 1: and everyone was living in their own bubbles quite literally.

646
00:32:04,247 --> 00:32:08,567
Speaker 1: But this just felt incredibly joyous and you could talk

647
00:32:08,607 --> 00:32:11,247
Speaker 1: to anyone about it. It was lovely to not have

648
00:32:11,327 --> 00:32:14,247
Speaker 1: a sense of dread when you went on a news

649
00:32:14,247 --> 00:32:17,167
Speaker 1: site in the morning and to just think, oh, I

650
00:32:17,207 --> 00:32:19,647
Speaker 1: wonder how many medals we want overnight? It was very simple.

651
00:32:19,727 --> 00:32:22,127
Speaker 3: I wonder, you know, Adele getting up and talking about Reagun.

652
00:32:22,247 --> 00:32:22,687
Speaker 1: Yeah.

653
00:32:22,807 --> 00:32:26,727
Speaker 3: Other than literally a story of assassination or COVID, what

654
00:32:27,007 --> 00:32:30,367
Speaker 3: story could anyone talk about on stage that is light,

655
00:32:31,007 --> 00:32:34,087
Speaker 3: that is fun, that's unifying, that everyone would know, that

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the latest Blake Lively headlines accompanying the unavoidable

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Speaker 2: promotional onslaught that the release of It Ends with Us,

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Speaker 2: which came out this weekend, has been enjoying. By the way,

675
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Speaker 2: the sound you can hear right now is Ryan Reynolds

676
00:33:56,047 --> 00:33:59,087
Speaker 2: and Blake Lively just popping bottles and burning mountains of

677
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Speaker 2: money for good times in the backyard of their New

678
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Speaker 2: York State mansion. Because that couple owns the mainstream culture

679
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Speaker 2: right now. His movie, his Deadpool sequel, Deadpool Versus Wolverine,

680
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Speaker 2: has broken more than a billion dollars, is a huge

681
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Speaker 2: hit and is everywhere you look. And her movie It

682
00:34:19,007 --> 00:34:21,887
Speaker 2: Ends with Us, which is the adaptation of Colin Hoover's

683
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Speaker 2: best selling book, is number two in the box office.

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Speaker 2: It pulled more than fifty million over the weekend, and

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Speaker 2: considering the movie only cost twenty five million to make,

686
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Speaker 2: it is considered a bona fide gold star smash.

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Speaker 1: We haven't had Hollywood royal couple like this since Brad

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Speaker 1: and Angelina, really have we Also, Angelina wasn't box office.

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Speaker 7: They were very famous, and they were so you can't

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Speaker 7: even remember his office John Kraginskysnski.

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Speaker 1: But they're not.

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Speaker 3: They're not.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is one of the things that marks

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Speaker 2: out Reynolds and Lively, and we're going to get to

695
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Speaker 2: this with what the gossip is here is that they

696
00:35:04,367 --> 00:35:07,047
Speaker 2: also own everything, so they're not just movie stars. Like

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Speaker 2: Reynolds is an ep on Deadpool. It's made him so

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Speaker 2: much money the three movies that have already been made

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Speaker 2: because he's got a massive back end deal. He also

700
00:35:16,127 --> 00:35:20,087
Speaker 2: controls production like it's his it's his thing, right, so

701
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Speaker 2: he's also the business person behind that franchise. Blake Lively

702
00:35:25,047 --> 00:35:27,727
Speaker 2: was a producer on this right, So they've got a

703
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Speaker 2: lot of class and so and so it seems was

704
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Speaker 2: Reynolds by stealth. Ryan Reynolds also owns lots of businesses,

705
00:35:34,367 --> 00:35:39,007
Speaker 2: owns a football team like he is an absolute empire.

706
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Speaker 2: Now he's a mogul and yet his persona online. They're

707
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Speaker 2: very very good promoter as a pair of them. He

708
00:35:44,967 --> 00:35:49,567
Speaker 2: in particular is very funny self deprecating all that stuff anyway,

709
00:35:49,687 --> 00:35:51,607
Speaker 2: bit daggy dad, bit daggy dad.

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Speaker 1: But also hot because they've got four kids together.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize four kids, and the most recent of

712
00:35:56,847 --> 00:35:59,127
Speaker 2: them is quite young. And they're also as you would

713
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Speaker 2: definitely know in the tailor verse. Anyway, back to the feud.

714
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Speaker 2: So if you've been paying attention to any celeb news lately,

715
00:36:06,607 --> 00:36:09,487
Speaker 2: you would have seen Lively selling the hell out of

716
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Speaker 2: this film by wearing fancy floral dresses that get ever

717
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Speaker 2: more glamorous than floral as the promotional campaign has gone

718
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Speaker 2: along because the character she plays, it's called Lily Bloom,

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Speaker 2: and she's a florist, so yeah, seem dressing.

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Speaker 1: Is it a comedy?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: God no.

723
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Speaker 2: So here's another thing that's interesting about this. It Ends

724
00:36:26,527 --> 00:36:30,607
Speaker 2: with Us is a story of domestic violence, so it

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Speaker 2: follows Lily Bloom. Colin Hoover wrote this book based on

726
00:36:33,967 --> 00:36:37,527
Speaker 2: her own parents' marriage and relationship, and it became this

727
00:36:37,767 --> 00:36:40,127
Speaker 2: massive bestseller, and then she wrote sequels and it sold

728
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Speaker 2: more than eight million copies.

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Speaker 1: Is a good moment.

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Speaker 2: It depends what kind of things you like. But it's

731
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Speaker 2: a very very very popular book that was diplomatic.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say, but I don't think have any

733
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Speaker 3: of us read it.

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Speaker 2: I have not read it, but I actually feel embarrassed

735
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Speaker 2: that I haven't read it because it's so it's culturally dominant.

736
00:36:58,207 --> 00:37:00,287
Speaker 2: I should have read it, but I just haven't.

737
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Speaker 1: In the same way that Fifty Shades of Gray was

738
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Speaker 1: the last book that was just so yeah. Back to that,

739
00:37:06,127 --> 00:37:06,967
Speaker 1: she's written of the.

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Speaker 2: Books and she's self published and she's a ma sive deal, right,

741
00:37:10,567 --> 00:37:13,247
Speaker 2: And so Colleen Hoover sold the rights to It Ends

742
00:37:13,247 --> 00:37:15,687
Speaker 2: with Us to this guy, well sold them to him,

743
00:37:15,687 --> 00:37:18,407
Speaker 2: but he optioned them to a guy called Justin Baldoni.

744
00:37:18,767 --> 00:37:20,927
Speaker 2: Now he has made it ends with us as the

745
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Speaker 2: director and one of the producers, and he co stars

746
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Speaker 2: in it with Blake. So I've never heard of him.

747
00:37:27,287 --> 00:37:29,807
Speaker 3: You know his faith if you've ever watched Jane the Virgin.

748
00:37:29,887 --> 00:37:32,087
Speaker 3: So I watched Jane the Virgin. He was the sexy

749
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Speaker 3: guy and.

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Speaker 2: That so Blake's the female lead, the florist Lily, and

751
00:37:36,367 --> 00:37:41,127
Speaker 2: he's the male lead, the bad guy in a neurosurgeon Ryle. Right,

752
00:37:41,487 --> 00:37:45,687
Speaker 2: so they're playing this couple in this abusive relationship in

753
00:37:45,727 --> 00:37:49,967
Speaker 2: the movie. Now, usually, especially if the male actor involved

754
00:37:50,007 --> 00:37:52,047
Speaker 2: is very involved in the production. He's the director, for

755
00:37:52,087 --> 00:37:54,207
Speaker 2: God's sake, the two of them would be on every

756
00:37:54,207 --> 00:37:56,647
Speaker 2: red carpet together, right, You would see them everywhere together.

757
00:37:56,687 --> 00:37:59,247
Speaker 2: Think of like Ryan Gosling and Emily Blunt when they're

758
00:37:59,247 --> 00:38:01,647
Speaker 2: promoting The hit Man. Think of pretty much any you know,

759
00:38:02,047 --> 00:38:04,647
Speaker 2: like our mate Glenn Powell and Daisy Egga Jones have

760
00:38:04,687 --> 00:38:05,447
Speaker 2: been everywhere.

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Speaker 1: To Queenie Julia rob There.

762
00:38:08,607 --> 00:38:10,727
Speaker 2: You know the two if you are normally read carpet

763
00:38:10,967 --> 00:38:15,927
Speaker 2: banter interviews, have not done one piece of joint promotion.

764
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Speaker 2: They have gone out of their way to not be

765
00:38:18,327 --> 00:38:22,527
Speaker 2: photographed together. Ever, at the big premiere last week, none

766
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Speaker 2: of the rest of the cast was photographed with Baldoni.

767
00:38:25,327 --> 00:38:27,847
Speaker 2: None of the rest of the cast now, including Colleen Hoover,

768
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Speaker 2: who's the creator, is following Baldoni on Instagram anymore.

769
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Speaker 3: I went on Instagram to double check this because I

770
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Speaker 3: check my facts, and Colleen Hoover, Blake, Lively, Ryan Reynolds none,

771
00:38:37,327 --> 00:38:40,367
Speaker 3: and they follow people. They do not follow Baldon.

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Speaker 2: And they at the beginning of all this, she was

773
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Speaker 2: posing for lots of selfies with Baldoni on set with

774
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Speaker 2: the headphones in the camera. So the theories go, and

775
00:38:48,287 --> 00:38:49,687
Speaker 2: this is all room and rumor room.

776
00:38:50,087 --> 00:38:50,927
Speaker 1: But one of the.

777
00:38:50,767 --> 00:38:53,967
Speaker 2: Theories go that our Hollywood power couple Reynolds and Lively

778
00:38:54,567 --> 00:38:56,767
Speaker 2: were getting a bit too interfery in it, right, So

779
00:38:56,887 --> 00:39:00,727
Speaker 2: Reynolds apparently rewrote some of Lively's scenes, which Blake has

780
00:39:00,767 --> 00:39:03,527
Speaker 2: said herself, she said, oh, he really helped me with

781
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Speaker 2: this scene. He writes some things for me, I write

782
00:39:05,767 --> 00:39:07,247
Speaker 2: on things for him, or a team we work on

783
00:39:07,287 --> 00:39:09,207
Speaker 2: everything together, which is lovely but probably a bit annoy

784
00:39:09,407 --> 00:39:10,047
Speaker 2: for the people who.

785
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Speaker 1: Oh.

786
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Speaker 3: Actually, screen writer found that out about an hour before

787
00:39:14,447 --> 00:39:17,847
Speaker 3: they told the press, and she did not know, not thrilled.

788
00:39:18,007 --> 00:39:21,687
Speaker 2: And also the rumor goes that Lively had her own

789
00:39:21,847 --> 00:39:25,487
Speaker 2: cut of the movie made after shooting had stopped. Now

790
00:39:25,567 --> 00:39:29,287
Speaker 2: apparently that's not that unusual, although it sounds terrible. And

791
00:39:29,327 --> 00:39:32,567
Speaker 2: then they have gone with Baldoni's cut, but he presumably

792
00:39:32,567 --> 00:39:33,647
Speaker 2: did not love that.

793
00:39:33,647 --> 00:39:35,727
Speaker 1: That makes sense of an interview I read with him

794
00:39:35,727 --> 00:39:39,247
Speaker 1: in the Hollywood Reporter where he was asked if he

795
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Speaker 1: would direct the sequel, because there's a sequel to this,

796
00:39:42,647 --> 00:39:47,367
Speaker 1: and he said, no, not my jam I think Blake

797
00:39:47,487 --> 00:39:52,367
Speaker 1: should direct. She's ready to direct. And now I understand

798
00:39:52,407 --> 00:39:54,567
Speaker 1: the subtext of that, which is very passag as you

799
00:39:54,567 --> 00:39:57,567
Speaker 1: would say whole and that is very She was trying

800
00:39:57,607 --> 00:39:59,807
Speaker 1: to direct this film and I was actually meant to

801
00:39:59,807 --> 00:40:00,487
Speaker 1: be the director.

802
00:40:00,727 --> 00:40:04,487
Speaker 2: Reynolds and Lively have started the pr machine just a

803
00:40:04,527 --> 00:40:08,207
Speaker 2: little bit slightly like a little sort of backgrounding pass

804
00:40:08,247 --> 00:40:11,527
Speaker 2: agnes with rumors saying, and this may be why some

805
00:40:11,567 --> 00:40:14,287
Speaker 2: of the other cast have unfollowed him, that Baldoni made

806
00:40:14,287 --> 00:40:16,487
Speaker 2: Blake feel very uncomfortable on set.

807
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Speaker 1: That's all you need to say in twenty twenty four,

808
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Speaker 1: isn't it. So it's a little bit like, I want

809
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Speaker 1: to ask you wholly about the strategy behind this, if

810
00:40:24,527 --> 00:40:28,647
Speaker 1: there is one, And I'm always more believing of it's

811
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Speaker 1: a fuck up, not a conspiracy, because when everyone goes, oh,

812
00:40:31,007 --> 00:40:33,287
Speaker 1: they're doing this on purpose to get people talking about

813
00:40:33,287 --> 00:40:35,127
Speaker 1: the movie, and look, yes we are, so I guess

814
00:40:35,167 --> 00:40:38,647
Speaker 1: it worked. But I want to ask about the last

815
00:40:38,687 --> 00:40:41,327
Speaker 1: time we can remember this happening was with Don't Worry Darling,

816
00:40:41,487 --> 00:40:45,247
Speaker 1: the movie that Olivia Wilde directed and Florence Pugh and

817
00:40:45,447 --> 00:40:48,607
Speaker 1: Harry Stiles was in. And do you remember Spitgate? It

818
00:40:48,887 --> 00:40:50,007
Speaker 1: can when.

819
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Speaker 3: Someone Harry, Yeah, he didn't, but that was what he.

820
00:40:55,087 --> 00:40:58,447
Speaker 1: Thought anyway, So that I still haven't ever watched the movie,

821
00:40:58,887 --> 00:41:02,327
Speaker 1: but certainly everybody was talking about it. Is this a

822
00:41:02,447 --> 00:41:05,047
Speaker 1: marketing thing? Like would would the marketers of this movie

823
00:41:05,087 --> 00:41:07,167
Speaker 1: be going, oh, this is good for us or this

824
00:41:07,247 --> 00:41:08,167
Speaker 1: is bad for us?

825
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Speaker 2: I'd love to know Jesse thinks about that, because a

826
00:41:10,687 --> 00:41:13,167
Speaker 2: lot of these rumors have blown up on TikTok. Right,

827
00:41:13,207 --> 00:41:16,647
Speaker 2: So there is the indisputable fact that they are not

828
00:41:16,767 --> 00:41:18,767
Speaker 2: promoting it in a conventional way.

829
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Speaker 1: You could argue generous read why is it not conventional?

830
00:41:22,927 --> 00:41:25,487
Speaker 2: Well, because normally they'd be together, Oh and so the

831
00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:28,007
Speaker 2: red carpet, all the things they'd be together. He's the director,

832
00:41:28,007 --> 00:41:31,567
Speaker 2: he's her star that you know, but generous read is well,

833
00:41:31,607 --> 00:41:33,927
Speaker 2: Blake Lively's the star, she's the drawer, and she's the

834
00:41:33,967 --> 00:41:36,527
Speaker 2: only face on the poster. And he does play an

835
00:41:36,527 --> 00:41:39,927
Speaker 2: abusive man in this movie. So you could argue, no,

836
00:41:40,087 --> 00:41:42,767
Speaker 2: it's a Blake Lively vehicle. We focus entirely on her.

837
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Speaker 2: But what I'd love to know from my TikTok expert

838
00:41:45,767 --> 00:41:50,207
Speaker 2: Jesse Stevens, because everybody's analyzing everything to the nth degree

839
00:41:50,247 --> 00:41:55,487
Speaker 2: for content, Now, do we need intrigue plot, you know,

840
00:41:55,727 --> 00:41:59,687
Speaker 2: scheming strategy to keep the momentum going of this movie

841
00:42:00,007 --> 00:42:00,887
Speaker 2: to an extent.

842
00:42:01,087 --> 00:42:04,487
Speaker 3: But then Blake Lively in Floral's was also a story,

843
00:42:04,607 --> 00:42:06,087
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's not like there was

844
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Speaker 3: a shortage of publicity. There's what's happening on Tick and

845
00:42:09,687 --> 00:42:12,567
Speaker 3: then there's what's happening with sources in the Hollywood Reporter.

846
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Speaker 3: According to quite reliable sources.

847
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Speaker 1: Are the sources TikTok No.

848
00:42:16,887 --> 00:42:20,167
Speaker 2: They said the Hollywood Reporter is a very reputable publication.

849
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Speaker 3: I was reading that at the premiere. They didn't even

850
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Speaker 3: sit in the same theater they're in separate theaters watching

851
00:42:25,447 --> 00:42:28,687
Speaker 3: with like family and friends or whatever. What TikTok can't

852
00:42:28,687 --> 00:42:32,807
Speaker 3: stop talking about is they feel like Ryan Reynolds came

853
00:42:32,847 --> 00:42:35,287
Speaker 3: on and has done more press for this movie than

854
00:42:35,527 --> 00:42:38,767
Speaker 3: Baldoni has, even though he's not in it. He's not

855
00:42:38,807 --> 00:42:41,447
Speaker 3: a producer, he's not a director. And what they're trying

856
00:42:41,487 --> 00:42:46,167
Speaker 3: to do is a Barbie Heimer thing with Wolverine with Wolverine,

857
00:42:46,327 --> 00:42:49,327
Speaker 3: and they're trying to basically get all of this, which

858
00:42:49,447 --> 00:42:53,167
Speaker 3: is probably partly true. The other creative difference that TikTok

859
00:42:53,247 --> 00:42:56,207
Speaker 3: sleuths think they've noticed, which I think there might be

860
00:42:56,487 --> 00:42:59,647
Speaker 3: some truth too, is that the movie that Lively is

861
00:42:59,687 --> 00:43:02,447
Speaker 3: promoting and the movie that Baldoni is promoting are two

862
00:43:02,487 --> 00:43:08,087
Speaker 3: different films. So Baldoni always wanted to do a really deep,

863
00:43:08,367 --> 00:43:11,527
Speaker 3: complex story about domestic violence, and that was something that

864
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Speaker 3: really spoke to him. And when you see him interviewed,

865
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Speaker 3: he's very serious and he's saying he's like in tears

866
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Speaker 3: talking about what it took from him having to act

867
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Speaker 3: like that and how he made sure there was an

868
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Speaker 3: intimacy coordinator, and what he's actually said has been he's

869
00:43:24,967 --> 00:43:30,047
Speaker 3: getting very good advice Lively. I think her pr brain

870
00:43:30,767 --> 00:43:33,447
Speaker 3: has gone, we need to sell this as a rom com, yea,

871
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Speaker 3: and people aren't going to see it. And in Lively's defense,

872
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Speaker 3: I'm not critical of that because Hoover did the same thing,

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Speaker 3: and in fact, that's part of what the text is about.

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00:43:43,567 --> 00:43:46,287
Speaker 3: That dv's stories begin as a rom com like they

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Speaker 3: begin with.

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00:43:47,687 --> 00:43:49,407
Speaker 1: Course, they don't begin as DV story.

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00:43:49,767 --> 00:43:53,007
Speaker 3: They begin with like incredible sex and what you think

878
00:43:53,087 --> 00:43:56,767
Speaker 3: is a romance. And from the perspective of the protagonist,

879
00:43:56,807 --> 00:43:59,687
Speaker 3: as I understand it, she only realizes part way through

880
00:44:00,087 --> 00:44:01,647
Speaker 3: what she's got herself into.

881
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Speaker 2: And that she's in this abusive cycle, which is why

882
00:44:03,847 --> 00:44:05,527
Speaker 2: it's called it sentence with Us because of her parents.

883
00:44:05,887 --> 00:44:08,007
Speaker 2: And the thing is that might also be interesting from

884
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Speaker 2: a marketing perspective in this moment we just talked about

885
00:44:11,087 --> 00:44:14,447
Speaker 2: how much everybody wanted Joy in the Olympics. If you,

886
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Speaker 2: in this moment, were deciding how to market a movie

887
00:44:17,367 --> 00:44:21,127
Speaker 2: that is unquestionably about domestic violence, and anyone who's read

888
00:44:21,127 --> 00:44:23,047
Speaker 2: the book knows that, and eight million people have read

889
00:44:23,087 --> 00:44:26,887
Speaker 2: the book, would you go with nobody's going to come

890
00:44:26,967 --> 00:44:30,847
Speaker 2: if we make it look like a dark, grim movie,

891
00:44:31,247 --> 00:44:33,247
Speaker 2: or but if we put Blake Lively in a whole

892
00:44:33,287 --> 00:44:35,807
Speaker 2: lot of flowers, and we keep focusing on this lovely,

893
00:44:35,847 --> 00:44:39,847
Speaker 2: wonderful relationship she has in real life with her power husband.

894
00:44:40,447 --> 00:44:43,687
Speaker 2: Then people will come as a marketing strategy that seems

895
00:44:43,727 --> 00:44:45,287
Speaker 2: to be clever, wouldn't you say?

896
00:44:45,487 --> 00:44:49,647
Speaker 1: I do? And Blake Lively famously doesn't have a stylist.

897
00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:52,567
Speaker 1: I actually forgot that she was an actor. And it's interesting.

898
00:44:52,607 --> 00:44:54,887
Speaker 1: She's on the cover of the September issue of Vogue,

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00:44:54,887 --> 00:44:57,767
Speaker 1: which tends to be a big deal, well not so

900
00:44:57,847 --> 00:44:59,807
Speaker 1: much anymore, but is the most big deal cover of

901
00:44:59,847 --> 00:45:03,207
Speaker 1: the year, and it is very strange. Shoot, it's with

902
00:45:03,327 --> 00:45:06,407
Speaker 1: her and Hugh Jackman in these characters inspired by To

903
00:45:06,447 --> 00:45:10,527
Speaker 1: Catch a Thief, and it's directed by bas Lerman. You

904
00:45:10,567 --> 00:45:13,327
Speaker 1: know what, when I saw that, because it's like there

905
00:45:13,327 --> 00:45:16,127
Speaker 1: are pages and pages, I was like, I thought, there's

906
00:45:16,207 --> 00:45:17,727
Speaker 1: no money in magazines anymore.

907
00:45:17,807 --> 00:45:19,847
Speaker 2: Well, and here we are with bazz Lerman and ten

908
00:45:19,927 --> 00:45:22,887
Speaker 2: million dollars worth of diamonds and Lively and Hugh Jackman.

909
00:45:23,047 --> 00:45:27,367
Speaker 1: The thing is whole sidebar. It was not filmed on location.

910
00:45:27,647 --> 00:45:29,767
Speaker 1: It was filmed with just a big pretty much on

911
00:45:29,847 --> 00:45:33,047
Speaker 1: green screen because you know, nobody could afford to fly

912
00:45:33,127 --> 00:45:36,567
Speaker 1: anywhere anymore because of these budgets. And also Hugh Jackman,

913
00:45:36,607 --> 00:45:38,887
Speaker 1: Black Lively and bas are all very good friends of

914
00:45:38,927 --> 00:45:42,767
Speaker 1: any Winters, so mate's rights. But yeah, I think it's interesting.

915
00:45:42,887 --> 00:45:47,887
Speaker 1: She's obviously stepping into that frame of being a movie star.

916
00:45:48,887 --> 00:45:51,407
Speaker 1: But I couldn't tell you one movie she's been in.

917
00:45:51,527 --> 00:45:53,887
Speaker 3: She was a simple Favor, she was in that great

918
00:45:53,967 --> 00:45:56,767
Speaker 3: one movie. She was in Sisterhood of the Trust.

919
00:45:56,887 --> 00:45:59,407
Speaker 1: She was in the Town with Ben Affleck that was great.

920
00:45:59,567 --> 00:46:00,407
Speaker 1: I don't know any of those.

921
00:46:00,767 --> 00:46:03,047
Speaker 2: She hasn't made these pages because she's been having all

922
00:46:03,047 --> 00:46:03,527
Speaker 2: the babies.

923
00:46:03,767 --> 00:46:04,647
Speaker 1: Of course she's got fun.

924
00:46:04,847 --> 00:46:07,247
Speaker 2: She also because she her and Ryan Reynolds are the

925
00:46:07,247 --> 00:46:09,687
Speaker 2: power couple. She also in the middle of the promo

926
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:10,807
Speaker 2: for this launched around.

927
00:46:10,567 --> 00:46:12,607
Speaker 1: Hair care brand. Yes, and she's like Brown.

928
00:46:12,767 --> 00:46:15,367
Speaker 2: She has a drink label too, Betty's Buzz, so she's

929
00:46:15,487 --> 00:46:19,207
Speaker 2: like they are. They're very savvy taking which is great

930
00:46:19,407 --> 00:46:19,887
Speaker 2: the world.

931
00:46:20,007 --> 00:46:23,327
Speaker 3: And the similarity between this and Don't Worry Darling is

932
00:46:23,367 --> 00:46:27,127
Speaker 3: that the actors aren't just actors. So I think that's

933
00:46:27,167 --> 00:46:30,767
Speaker 3: when things get complicated. So Olivia Wild it wasn't that

934
00:46:30,767 --> 00:46:32,807
Speaker 3: they were all on set together, it was that one

935
00:46:33,487 --> 00:46:35,807
Speaker 3: had more power than the others, and so you see

936
00:46:35,847 --> 00:46:39,287
Speaker 3: the power dynamics and the creative differences leak out into

937
00:46:39,327 --> 00:46:42,727
Speaker 3: the press tour, because this is really about different visions,

938
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Speaker 3: and where a director sits and a producer sits is.

939
00:46:45,807 --> 00:46:48,247
Speaker 1: Just workplace politics, right. Well, I mean there was a

940
00:46:48,407 --> 00:46:52,727
Speaker 1: story about me being unhappy with strife the first season,

941
00:46:53,007 --> 00:46:55,207
Speaker 1: but it didn't really go anywhere. I mean, I do

942
00:46:55,407 --> 00:46:58,487
Speaker 1: plan for season two, let's have a few yeah. So

943
00:46:59,207 --> 00:47:02,767
Speaker 1: I remember reading it and going really like, really, but

944
00:47:03,167 --> 00:47:05,567
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we need to lean into that Jesse

945
00:47:05,887 --> 00:47:06,287
Speaker 1: and just.

946
00:47:06,487 --> 00:47:09,047
Speaker 2: Yeah, you too should definitely have a feud for season two.

947
00:47:09,687 --> 00:47:11,487
Speaker 2: Although you know, I was thinking that the don't worry

948
00:47:11,567 --> 00:47:13,767
Speaker 2: Darling thing didn't really work for the movie, as in

949
00:47:13,807 --> 00:47:17,127
Speaker 2: that movie was considered a flop, whereas this is working

950
00:47:17,207 --> 00:47:19,567
Speaker 2: for this movie. I mean, not just this, but it's

951
00:47:19,607 --> 00:47:21,767
Speaker 2: going to keep the momentum going for a few more

952
00:47:21,807 --> 00:47:23,167
Speaker 2: weeks and it's considered a hit.

953
00:47:23,287 --> 00:47:26,047
Speaker 3: So what I don't want is for this film that's

954
00:47:26,247 --> 00:47:29,887
Speaker 3: got a very powerful message about DV to become about

955
00:47:30,247 --> 00:47:32,407
Speaker 3: two bitches being mean to a man. I would rather

956
00:47:32,447 --> 00:47:34,767
Speaker 3: that not be the story, because he's being framed as

957
00:47:34,767 --> 00:47:35,407
Speaker 3: a bit of a victor.

958
00:47:35,487 --> 00:47:38,447
Speaker 2: Maybe he's not a nice guy. It used to be

959
00:47:38,487 --> 00:47:39,687
Speaker 2: the suggest Colin Hoover.

960
00:47:39,807 --> 00:47:42,967
Speaker 3: So this is what TikTok will tell you. That Colin

961
00:47:43,047 --> 00:47:45,927
Speaker 3: Hoover wants her other books made into movies, right, so

962
00:47:46,007 --> 00:47:48,887
Speaker 3: she's looking at who's got more money to make them.

963
00:47:48,967 --> 00:47:52,247
Speaker 3: If there's creative differences between Blake Lively and Baldonie hitching

964
00:47:52,287 --> 00:47:54,407
Speaker 3: your wagon, then I'm going to hitch my wagon too, Lively.

965
00:47:54,727 --> 00:47:58,847
Speaker 3: And so these creasy, little bitchy women are over here,

966
00:47:58,927 --> 00:48:01,767
Speaker 3: and poor Baldoni just wanted to make a very serious

967
00:48:01,807 --> 00:48:04,767
Speaker 3: film about DV And look at Blake Lively with her hair.

968
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Speaker 3: That's how the story goes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, out Louders, you might have someone in your household

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00:48:10,647 --> 00:48:13,687
Speaker 1: that was at a Bucks weekend over the weekend, because

971
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Speaker 1: that's what Bucks weekends are. They're not nights anymore, they're weekends.

972
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Speaker 1: We answered a dilemma about a particular Bucks weekend and

973
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Speaker 1: an escort and a text message, and it's quite juicy.

974
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Speaker 1: We gave our thoughts. To listen to that episode, you

975
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Speaker 1: can follow the link in the show notes.

976
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Speaker 2: A massive thank you to all of you out louders

977
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Speaker 2: for being with us through this exciting journey through Paris.

978
00:48:38,447 --> 00:48:42,887
Speaker 2: Our non expert journey through Paris, just pointing at stuff

979
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Speaker 2: and going that was weird, wasn't it.

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00:48:44,847 --> 00:48:47,327
Speaker 1: Oh we like that anyway. Thank you for.

981
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Speaker 2: Being here with us as always, and thank you to

982
00:48:49,407 --> 00:48:51,647
Speaker 2: our fabulous team for helping us put the show together.

983
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Speaker 1: We will be back in your ears tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Bye bye.

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