WEBVTT - TCC Exclusive: Inside A DV Police Operation

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<v Speaker 1>It's just before eight am on a brisk morning in

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney and Redfern, and I'm outside Redfern Police station feeling

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<v Speaker 1>a bit anxious because.

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<v Speaker 2>Today I'm going to be riding alongside.

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<v Speaker 1>Police as they arrest high risk domestic violence offenders as

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<v Speaker 1>part of Operation Amarok. Tactical and high impact teams conduct

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<v Speaker 1>early morning raids to get the worst of the worst

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<v Speaker 1>offenders who have breached advos or bailed compliance checks, or

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<v Speaker 1>have evaded arrest. Until now, I don't really know what

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<v Speaker 1>to expect today. I've heard stories of police interrupting dB

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<v Speaker 1>in progress or having to chase perpetrators onto public buses.

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<v Speaker 1>What I do know is this is the frontline of

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<v Speaker 1>domestic violence policing. This is the force attempting to put

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<v Speaker 1>a dent in the scourge that is dB in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>but isn't making a difference. I'm Jebba Bath and this

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<v Speaker 1>is a special episode of True Crime Conversations when you

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<v Speaker 1>Southwales police invited us on an exclusive ride along to

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<v Speaker 1>witness arrests as part of Operation Amarok, a statewide blitz

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<v Speaker 1>cracking down on alleged high risk domestic violence offenders. I

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<v Speaker 1>had an image in my head of what to expect,

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<v Speaker 1>it was completely turned on its head. This blitz was

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<v Speaker 1>to be the fourteenth iteration of the operation, and on

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<v Speaker 1>the TV news, I'd seen footage of police at prior

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<v Speaker 1>raids in helmets, carrying battering rams, marching single file towards

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<v Speaker 1>people's doors. What I discovered riding alongside officers in the

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<v Speaker 1>Central Metro Region DV Offender Team, however, was that most

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<v Speaker 1>of the arrests they carried.

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<v Speaker 2>Out looked a lot less dramatic.

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<v Speaker 1>In total, I saw four people arrested, two men and

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<v Speaker 1>two women. Multiple officers were there to carry out each one,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were all in plain clothes. I was told

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<v Speaker 1>it's easier to sneak up on people that way. They

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<v Speaker 1>also find victims to see them as more approachable, But

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<v Speaker 1>it was strange being surrounded by cops in gans and

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<v Speaker 1>a beanie. Given the nature of the operation, I'll admit

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<v Speaker 1>I was expecting most arrests to be of alleged male

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<v Speaker 1>perpetrators for crimes of intimate violence against female partners. We

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<v Speaker 1>are losing a woman a week to a former or

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<v Speaker 1>current partner, after all, But I only saw one arrest

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<v Speaker 1>of that alleged nature, and as the two officers I

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<v Speaker 1>was shadowing, explained many of the arrests they do are

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<v Speaker 1>family members allegedly hurting other extended family members. I got

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<v Speaker 1>up with Sergeant Price at the end of our five

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<v Speaker 1>hour ride along to debrief.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell me about today. It's Operation Amarok. What did

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<v Speaker 2>we do?

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<v Speaker 3>First?

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<v Speaker 2>Up, we were in Surrey Hill's Red Fern. What was

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<v Speaker 2>the plan when we got there?

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<v Speaker 4>This morning?

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<v Speaker 3>We went to Surrey Hills to arrest the female with

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<v Speaker 3>an outstanding DV warrant. We knocked for a while when

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<v Speaker 3>the occupants initially refused to let us in. After a

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<v Speaker 3>while they did let us in. The female we were

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<v Speaker 3>looking for was an inside. However, there was two people

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<v Speaker 3>inside that address who had AVO conditions not to be.

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<v Speaker 4>At the address.

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<v Speaker 3>Those two people were arrested and taken to Surrey Hill's

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<v Speaker 3>police station. We're still making inquiries to locate the female that.

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<v Speaker 4>We're looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me anything about the relationship of these people.

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<v Speaker 3>One was the son of the female and the other

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<v Speaker 3>person was the female's.

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<v Speaker 2>Mother, So we arrested a grandma and a grandson essentially.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you find during these operations? You're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these family kind of arrests or checks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's very common that multiple people in the one

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<v Speaker 3>house may have AVOs with each other. They're not complying

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<v Speaker 3>with those avios, and it's quite common when we go

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<v Speaker 3>into a house there may be multiple people in breach

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<v Speaker 3>of those orders.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say that you're doing more family kind of

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<v Speaker 1>style arrests in these DV operations than like partner violence.

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<v Speaker 4>Partner violence ones are definitely there.

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<v Speaker 3>It just depends on the day when we go there, guess,

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<v Speaker 3>But it is common that there is the family type

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<v Speaker 3>domestic violence AVOs.

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<v Speaker 2>From there. From that arrest, we had a few, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess false starts. You were trying to find people what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening.

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<v Speaker 4>So just after that one, we went to an address

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<v Speaker 4>in Redfern.

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<v Speaker 3>We confirmed on CCTV footage that a male he had

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<v Speaker 3>two outstanding warrants. He was at the victim's house in

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<v Speaker 3>breach of the enforceable avo as well. The footage showed

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<v Speaker 3>him leaving at six point forty five. I think we

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<v Speaker 3>got there about eight am, so we just missed him.

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<v Speaker 3>We made inquiries with the security of that building confirmed

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<v Speaker 3>that he wasn't at the location. So we'll continue to

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<v Speaker 3>follow that up and I hope he goes back there

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<v Speaker 3>will he'll be arrested. He's preaching the AVO by being

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<v Speaker 3>in that building as well, and.

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<v Speaker 2>So that would have been for domestic violence charge.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's relating to domestic violence. The victim is that

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<v Speaker 3>lady who lives at the address he was this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that happening a lot where they just go back.

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<v Speaker 4>To the very common?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's very common, very common We picked them up

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<v Speaker 3>when they're wanted or preaching the AVO conditions by being

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<v Speaker 3>at the victim's address.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you going back to the same homes a lot?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yeah, it's very common that we do that, Yes, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit further on in the morning, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a man that had been convicted of manslaughter.

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<v Speaker 2>What will we checking in on him for?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he was I think it was some years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>He's charged with murder.

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<v Speaker 3>He's convicted of manslaughter, spent time in jail, he's been

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<v Speaker 3>released in the last few years and he's been charged

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<v Speaker 3>with domestic violence offenses for his new partners. We did

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<v Speaker 3>a AVO or attempted to do an AVO compliance check

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<v Speaker 3>at his address in Randwick.

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<v Speaker 4>When we made those inquiries. He's actually in Cusvidio at

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<v Speaker 4>the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're doing these operations, is this typical that you're

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<v Speaker 1>spending a lot of time kind of driving around. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing there, you drive to another place there.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>We try to get to as many places as we can,

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<v Speaker 3>do as many checks, try to arrest as many people

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<v Speaker 3>as we can.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it's very fast moving.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes information comes in throughout the day that somebody may

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<v Speaker 3>be at a particular location, so we respond.

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<v Speaker 4>Quickly to that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll admit I was expecting you to be in police uniform.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. No, we don't wear uniforming our team.

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<v Speaker 3>It's I think a lot easier for us to catch

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<v Speaker 3>people who are wanted if we're not in uniform. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think a lot of victims prefer to speak to

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<v Speaker 3>us outside of uniform as well. They feel a bit

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<v Speaker 3>more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about the two other arrests we've done today.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a gentleman over in South Coulji.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he had a warrant his issued two days ago.

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<v Speaker 3>That was for a domestic violence offense preach avo offense.

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<v Speaker 3>He was arrested in South Cooji. He's gone back to

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<v Speaker 3>Mariuba Police station.

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<v Speaker 4>And one here in Maroubra. It's a female.

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<v Speaker 3>She had an outstanding warrant for domestic violence offense as well.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been arrested and going back to the police station

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of these people will they be out of custody

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<v Speaker 1>by the weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's hard to tell. Yeah, possibly some of these warrants.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's likely they will and some will be they

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<v Speaker 3>were refused as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect, and from here, what's the plan. It's about lunchtime.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done four ish arrests.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your the rest of your day?

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<v Speaker 4>Look like We'll keep going.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully the guy we were looking for in Bradfern comes back,

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<v Speaker 3>so we'll put ourselves in a position to arrest him

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<v Speaker 3>if he comes back. Yeah, we'll just probably have lunch

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<v Speaker 3>and then reassess and see where else we can go

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<v Speaker 3>after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for your time, good luck. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you get more arrest Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Across the three day operation, New South Wales Police charged

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and thirty two people, executing two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight arrest warrants and twelve thousand and fifty four

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<v Speaker 1>advo compliance checks. I find three hundred and twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>advo breaches and two hundred and twenty five bail breaches.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred and eighteen firearms were also seized. When you

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<v Speaker 1>zoom out further and count up all of amarok's work

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<v Speaker 1>over the last three years, they've charged nine thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven alleged defenders and laid eighteen thousand, seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty six charges. There's no doubt they're impressive numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales Police has always said the goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to show how relentless they are when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>this crime. AMAROK is certainly proving to be a high

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<v Speaker 1>visibility crackdown and it's pretty intimidating. I asked Superintendent Danielle

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<v Speaker 1>Emerton for some feedback on how it's been going. I'm interested.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that this operation is targeting high risk domestic

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<v Speaker 1>violence offenders. What exactly does that mean? What kind of

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<v Speaker 1>offenders are we looking at?

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<v Speaker 5>So if the operation is intelligence led and offender focused,

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<v Speaker 5>so it aims to ensure the safety and well being

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<v Speaker 5>of domestic and family violence victims and the broader community.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're looking at offenders who have that access, capability

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<v Speaker 5>and intent of harming their victims.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean it's often repeat offenders or people that

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<v Speaker 1>have been in the sites of police for a while.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, usually that is the case. We have intelligence that

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<v Speaker 5>will direct our police to those offenders.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've done fourteen iterations. Would the same names

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<v Speaker 1>be coming up in those arrests?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah? Often, Yes, they are repeat offenders. A lot of

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<v Speaker 5>them have outstanding warrants, prohibition orders and weapons probition orders

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<v Speaker 5>that we go and do compliance checks on. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what Operation and Rock is all about us as

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<v Speaker 5>checking and on the compliance of offenders who have existing

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<v Speaker 5>apprehended violence orders and the like.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a breakdown or no, even anecdotally if

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<v Speaker 1>it's more men or more women being arrested.

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<v Speaker 5>I do have a statewide gender breakdown. Okay, great, they

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<v Speaker 5>are wise for Operation and Rock fourteen, so there were

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<v Speaker 5>twenty seven percent female offenders and seventy three percent male.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it is majority alleged male perpetrators.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>And are the majority of those charges around intimate partner violence?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Is it working? Is the operation helping people?

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely? It's getting really serious offenders back behind bars. It's

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<v Speaker 5>also ensuring that they know that police are onto them,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly now that we're working in partnership and with cross

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<v Speaker 5>border policing, so we're working with a joint operation with

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<v Speaker 5>ACT Policing and AFP and ACT Policing. They've modeled their

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<v Speaker 5>Operation Shepherd on Operation am Rocks, so we've got that

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<v Speaker 5>they've got an operational blueprint and strategies and resources to

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<v Speaker 5>help them organize their first operation. Domestic violence is a

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<v Speaker 5>crime that affects all communities and it remains a scourge

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<v Speaker 5>on our society, so we're pleased to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>share our successful operation with another law enforcement jurisdiction. The

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<v Speaker 5>number of arrests and charges are a huge for this

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<v Speaker 5>operation and in previous Amrock operations, and it sort of

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<v Speaker 5>talks to the scale of domestic violence in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 5>The numbers are concerning and one incident of domestic violence

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<v Speaker 5>is one too many. During the operation, we deploy all

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<v Speaker 5>available resources, including specialist officers, to surge and use intelligence

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<v Speaker 5>led approaches to target offenders that and we see these

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<v Speaker 5>good results.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, with those huge amount of numbers, there's victims at

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<v Speaker 1>the other ends of those So have you heard from victims.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you guys are mainly arresting and you know

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<v Speaker 1>placing abos and stuff. But have you had any feedback

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<v Speaker 1>from the victims on how they feel about it?

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<v Speaker 5>Well? Yes, in cases that will the police will attend homes,

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<v Speaker 5>we do get to speak with victims. Obviously, a compliance

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<v Speaker 5>check of an apprehendive domestic violence order involves the speaking

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<v Speaker 5>to both parties, so the person in need of protection

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<v Speaker 5>and the defendant. So police do get to speak in

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<v Speaker 5>firsthand to our victims, and anecdotally we are told that

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<v Speaker 5>you know, often these domestic violence incidences occur behind closed doors,

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<v Speaker 5>so it's the time that they're actually usually very relieved

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<v Speaker 5>that police are ensuring that the compliance of these orders

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<v Speaker 5>is occurring.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't help but notice doing a ride along with

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<v Speaker 1>some offices in Redfern on Friday, that one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the places we went to were lowest socio economic areas,

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<v Speaker 1>low lower socioeconomic housing. I know that DV, We all

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<v Speaker 1>know that DV happens in any postcode, no matter where

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<v Speaker 1>you live. Is what I witnessed an accurate representation that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these arrests are happening in those lower

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<v Speaker 1>socio economic areas.

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<v Speaker 5>No domestic and family violence occurs in all socioeconomic areas,

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<v Speaker 5>it knows no bounds that it doesn't discriminate. We respond

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<v Speaker 5>to one hundred and sixty thousand incidences of domestic violence

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<v Speaker 5>every year, which is one every three minutes, so and

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<v Speaker 5>also responding to domestic violence incidents takes up sixty percent

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<v Speaker 5>of police time. So we are seeing it in all

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<v Speaker 5>walks of life, all socioeconomic backgrounds, all different cultures. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it's definitely it's a huge problem, and it's a whole

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<v Speaker 5>of government and society problem. And obviously police cannot arrest

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<v Speaker 5>our way out of this issue alone.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the plan from here? This has been going on

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<v Speaker 1>since twenty twenty three, We've got another three years left

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<v Speaker 1>of Operation Amarok.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we've also launched other additional operations throughout the year,

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<v Speaker 5>including Operation Search to target domestic violence offenders. So will

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<v Speaker 5>work every day. It's not just during these operations to

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<v Speaker 5>investigate domestic violence incidences and arrest offenders. So while this

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<v Speaker 5>Operation Operation Amarock has been held over three days on

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<v Speaker 5>this occasion, it forms part of an ongoing year round

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<v Speaker 5>strategy to apprehend our high risk offenders.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect, I think we'll leave it there. Thank you so much, Superintendent, No,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. If I'm being honest, it wasn't quite the

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<v Speaker 1>answer I was after. Because while no one is outwardly

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<v Speaker 1>against the Blitz, I've seen quite a lot of discussion

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<v Speaker 1>from DV services saying they need more resourcing and funding

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with the fallout because when police enforcement ramps up,

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<v Speaker 1>so do their referrals. Right now, these frontline services are

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<v Speaker 1>operating at above one hundred and fifty percent of their

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<v Speaker 1>funded capacity, and the bottom line is they're struggling to

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<v Speaker 1>keep up with demand. Both Domestic Violence New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>and full Stop Australia have told the ABC the stronger

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<v Speaker 1>police response needs to be matched with a properly funded

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<v Speaker 1>support sector. In my search for answers, I asked New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales Police Minister Yasmin Catley how she measured success

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<v Speaker 1>in this operation beyond the number of arrests.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh well, domestic violence not increasing. That would be the

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<v Speaker 6>real measure of success. Right are spoken on this program

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<v Speaker 6>before about you know it's going up. So the success

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<v Speaker 6>is not certainly measured by arrests, but it's keeping we

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<v Speaker 6>were safe and that's important, that's really important. Unfortunately, in

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<v Speaker 6>my role as police minister, I've seen too many women

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<v Speaker 6>lose their lives at the hands of their intimate partner.

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<v Speaker 6>That has to stop. That just has to stop. And

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<v Speaker 6>we're doing our bit, certainly in police, but broadly community

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<v Speaker 6>needs to do more too. We all need to, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>be and I know that you know, various cohorts have

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<v Speaker 6>different views, but you know, I'm just really I believe anyway,

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<v Speaker 6>as a woman and as a mother, I believe that

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<v Speaker 6>you know, you have to say something if you know something.

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<v Speaker 6>If I'm a girlfriend and my girlfriend's in a situation

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<v Speaker 6>where she's experiencing domestic clots, I'd like her to talk

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<v Speaker 6>to me about it, and her and I to have

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<v Speaker 6>that conversation. I'd like my daughters to be able to

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<v Speaker 6>talk to one another and to talk to their friends

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<v Speaker 6>so that they can have that conversation about They may

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<v Speaker 6>not want to go to police, and that's okay. They

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<v Speaker 6>need to be talking to someone and getting some advice

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<v Speaker 6>someone to do, because otherwise they could be putting their

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<v Speaker 6>life at risk and those outcomes are not what we

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<v Speaker 6>want to see or hear about.

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<v Speaker 1>In the twenty twenty six to twenty twenty seven budget,

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<v Speaker 1>an additional one hundred and eighty four million was dedicated

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<v Speaker 1>to six frontline specialist DV programs over four years, which

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<v Speaker 1>sounds amazing, but they've had no increase in funding for

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<v Speaker 1>a decade, so even a fifty percent boost is just

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<v Speaker 1>catching up on accumulated under investment, not funding new growth. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a good news story. We want our police

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<v Speaker 1>to take DV seriously, and they are. We want high

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<v Speaker 1>risk repeat offenders to be targeted and put on notice,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are. We're just missing that support services element

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<v Speaker 1>to be taken just as seriously. I've had some time

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<v Speaker 1>to digest the morning and really think about what I

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<v Speaker 1>saw and watch the videos back of me pre operation,

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<v Speaker 1>what I thought I was going to be getting in

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<v Speaker 1>two I feel quite sad having witnessed that was two

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<v Speaker 1>women arrested, a much younger woman and then a much

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<v Speaker 1>older woman, and then two men, a younger man and

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<v Speaker 1>an older man, and speaking to the officers. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>of course it's domestic relationships like a romantic relationships that

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<v Speaker 1>take up a lot of this work, but it's also families.

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<v Speaker 1>So those first two arrests, you know, they were three

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<v Speaker 1>generations of the one family that they were trying to arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>the grandson, the mother, the grandmother, and it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>first time that they've been arrested, and this is just

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<v Speaker 1>a cycle. You know. The other thing that I am

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<v Speaker 1>reflecting on a lot is all of the arrests we

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<v Speaker 1>went to, and all of the places we tried to

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<v Speaker 1>arrest in were all in lower socio economic areas or housing.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know that domestic violence happens everywhere, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>where you live, no matter how rich you are, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how poor you are. But this operation is targeting

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<v Speaker 1>repeat offenders. And I couldn't help but notice where we were,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can't help but think about all of

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<v Speaker 1>the other factors that might be at play. All of

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<v Speaker 1>the officers involved in the operation I was a part

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<v Speaker 1>of were in plain clothes, and they told me that

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<v Speaker 1>they do that because one they want to surprise the

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<v Speaker 1>people that they're resting, and two because it makes victims

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<v Speaker 1>more comfortable they want to talk to them more. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was just really weird to see all of these

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<v Speaker 1>different officers. At the first arrest we went to, I

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<v Speaker 1>thought one of the what turned out to be officer

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<v Speaker 1>was just a nosey, busybody. You know, he was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a beanie, he was leaning on the fence and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until I saw the gun in the holster that

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that he was a cop. Another cop at

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<v Speaker 1>the second arrest was wearing a run Faster pasta shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, something you might see on someone down at

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<v Speaker 1>the local pub on a Saturday. But that's how they roll,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to arresting people that are evading arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>All four of the offenders can quietly came willingly into

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<v Speaker 1>the police cars, but they were all people that were

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<v Speaker 1>being arrested for violent offenses in the domestic violence space.

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<v Speaker 1>But looking at them in a cop car or looking

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<v Speaker 1>at them on a street, you don't see that. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the important thing to remember that these

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<v Speaker 1>people don't look scary, but you don't know what's happening

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