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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mamma Mea acknowledges

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Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast

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Speaker 1: is recorded on Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Mumma

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Speaker 1: MIA's daily news podcast, The Quickie. The stratas first and

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Speaker 1: only cryogenics company has just frozen its first client, patient

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Speaker 1: one now suspended in liquid nitrogen until the day he

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Speaker 1: can be safely thought out and revived. It's a science

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Speaker 1: fiction story come to life. But just how much faith

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Speaker 1: do you have to put into a company to ensure

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Speaker 1: you aren't just buried somewhere while they take that very

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Speaker 1: large amount of money you gave them to keep you

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Speaker 1: frosty for potentially hundreds of years before we get into

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Speaker 1: freezing ourselves for the future. Let's get the latest from

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Speaker 1: the Quikie newsroom. Wednesday, June nineteenth, Singer Justin Timberlake has

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Speaker 1: been arrested in the Hamptons, accused of drink driving. Timberlake

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Speaker 1: ran a stops and veered out of his lane when

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Speaker 1: the report saying his eyes were bloodshot and glassy and

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Speaker 1: also had slow speech, was unsteady on his feet, and

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Speaker 1: performed poorly on all the standardized field sobriety tests. The

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Speaker 1: charged with driving while intoxicated. His court date has been

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Speaker 1: set for July twenty six. Prime Minister Anthony Alberonizi has

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Speaker 1: had words with Chinese Premier Leechjung after his people tried

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Speaker 1: to block journalist Chang Lei from watching as they signed

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Speaker 1: agreements at Capitol Hill on Monday. Miss Chang had spent

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Speaker 1: three years imprisoned in China before finishing her sentence and

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Speaker 1: returning home late last year. Now working for Sky News,

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Speaker 1: She tried to laugh it off and swap seats with

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Speaker 1: Australian officials intervened asking them to move, which they eventually did,

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Speaker 1: to stand up for Cheng Lei and that's why they

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Speaker 1: worked for two years to secure her return home. A

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Speaker 1: New York court has left a gag order in place

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Speaker 1: which was set during former President Donald Trump's hush money trial,

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Speaker 1: declining to hear his appeal. The Court of Appeals found

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Speaker 1: warrant immediate intervention. The decision yet another legal setback for

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Speaker 1: the former president, who's been repeatedly warned against commenting on witnesses, jurors,

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Speaker 1: and others connected to the case, with a threat of

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Speaker 1: lift the order. In coming days. An Australian horse has

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Speaker 1: won the King Charles the Third Stakes in front of

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Speaker 1: Royal Ascot to take the race, making her Australia's sixth

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Speaker 1: there one day too, saying there was going to be

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Speaker 1: the mother of all parties. That's the latest from around

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Speaker 1: the globe. Next, would you consider freezing yourself to maybe

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Speaker 1: Back in the nineteen sixties, cryogenics was being written about

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Speaker 1: there is a theory that a Google search was purposely

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Speaker 1: all rumor and could also just be because they're sick

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Speaker 1: of telling everyone it's not true. But while Disney's potential

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Speaker 1: Cryonic's patient one, going through the process of putting himself

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Speaker 1: the director of Southern Criogenics. Peter, it's interesting that we

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Speaker 2: No? You know, those are very simple answer. We can't.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're looking for science technology of one

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Speaker 2: possible that it can be done. Some simple ones are

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Speaker 2: cryogenically preserved in exactly the same way and they're brought back.

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Speaker 2: Now we're talking simple cell biology, you know. To go

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Speaker 2: But we're also talking one hundred years in the future.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things going on now. I just

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Speaker 2: but it's not like we just woke up one day

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that we see now that

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Speaker 2: if extrapolated to the future, would enable people coming back.

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Speaker 1: Well, can you explain to us the process kind of

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Speaker 2: Exactly everything starts after legal deaths, and we're talking really

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Speaker 1: Well, that was my next question. You say that a

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Speaker 2: talking thousands of years, but nobody's thinking thousands of years

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Speaker 2: and that's very easily attainable. In liquid, Nig Peter, we

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Speaker 1: I mean, even a funeral service is not a cheap affair.

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Speaker 1: I imagine being cryogenically frozen is vastly more expensive. Can you

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Speaker 1: give us an idea of how much it actually costs.

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Speaker 2: We're talking somewhere between one hundred and fifty thousand to

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Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars. Now, of course everybody gasps at

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Speaker 2: you take out a life insurance policy which is about

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Speaker 2: two hundred three hundred four hundred dollars in that bracket,

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Speaker 2: Chronics at the time you pass away. So we have

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Speaker 2: the funds, but it's not a big drain on somebody

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Speaker 1: Do you have to keep paying money? Though? Like if

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Speaker 1: and things becoming more expensive, they can't expect you to

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Speaker 2: It gets a little bit technical, but let me try

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Speaker 2: Is the cost of that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: About thirty thousand is used at the time you are suspended,

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Speaker 2: Let's make it one hundred thousand. It's a nice rounded number.

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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of faith is going into this

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Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely right. Everybody obviously has that concern. We're

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Speaker 2: the moment, is going to be suspended underpending on all

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Speaker 2: So the people are quite passionately interested in cronics and

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Speaker 2: fairly confident that people will continue this going. US organizations,

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Speaker 1: Please don't take offense. You're not a young man, Peter.

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Speaker 2: I agree. You're going to ask me a good question.

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Speaker 2: I've already thought about it. Keep going.

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Speaker 1: I would love to know what your reasoning is for

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I've always been interested in chronics for quite

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Speaker 2: So I see Crinic says if I'm near passing away,

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Speaker 1: Peter, just finally understand, you have four spots currently capable

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Speaker 2: We've currently got let's say, fifty people on our books.

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Speaker 2: Look that many people are just not that interested in crinics.

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Speaker 1: The first person to ever officially be cryogenically preserved was

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Speaker 1: They checked him out in nineteen ninety one and said

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Speaker 1: sixty seven. Thanks for listening today, friends, taking some time

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Speaker 1: to feed your mind. How do you feel about freezing

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