WEBVTT - Ada Nicodemou Is In Love Again. Her Way.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Amma mea podcast. Mama Mia acknowledges the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast is

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<v Speaker 1>recorded on.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy and I have known each other for like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five thirty years, I think, so there was no feelings

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<v Speaker 2>for a really, really long time. So I was shocked

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<v Speaker 2>when I started having feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>From Mamma Mia. You're listening to No Filter and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Meya Friedman. You know, a few weeks ago I went

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<v Speaker 1>to the logis and you may have heard about it

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<v Speaker 1>because I posted so much on my socials and I

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it on Mama Mea out loud because well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get out much. And there's something about the cheesy,

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<v Speaker 1>homegrown nature of the logies that appeals to everyone over

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<v Speaker 1>the age of I don't know, probably around twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Gen Z's meanwhile, probably couldn't name a single person who

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<v Speaker 1>was on that Logi's red carpet, or locate a commercial

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<v Speaker 1>TV channel on their TV if they even have TV.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably just watch on their phones. But stop any

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<v Speaker 1>Australian on the street, no matter how well they are,

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<v Speaker 1>and I bet they will have heard of the show

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<v Speaker 1>Home and Away to Get You and there is no

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<v Speaker 1>more iconic star of this show than Nata Nikodimo, the

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<v Speaker 1>actress who's played the character of Leah for twenty four years,

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<v Speaker 1>since she was twenty three years old, so more than

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<v Speaker 1>half her life and a lot has happened to Leah

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<v Speaker 1>the character in that time. Can you imagine, so piers

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<v Speaker 1>are like dog years. Her character has had a few

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<v Speaker 1>husbands dye in her She's had many love interests. She's

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<v Speaker 1>experienced racism and anxiety and single parenthood. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been a busy time. And in the eight years that

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<v Speaker 1>her co star James Stewart has been playing the role

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<v Speaker 1>of Justin on Home and Away, AIDA's character and James's

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<v Speaker 1>characters have interacted and kind of circled each other in

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<v Speaker 1>the great tradition of soap operas, until they became romantically

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<v Speaker 1>involved and then had a very big romantic TV wedding

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<v Speaker 1>earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I will always love you. You never gave ups, even

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<v Speaker 2>when I asked you to.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't watch Home and Away, but you are

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<v Speaker 1>around my age. Probably the best comparison would be Scott

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<v Speaker 1>and Charlene in Neighbours in the eighties or the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>In real life, Ada was married for many years to

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<v Speaker 1>the father of her twelve year old son, a guy

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<v Speaker 1>called Chris, and after they divorced, she was in another

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<v Speaker 1>long term relationship with a guy called Adam. And neither

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<v Speaker 1>of these men were famous. You probably don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>their names. I had to look them up because her

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<v Speaker 1>private life was not the stuff of gossip columns. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very much on the down low. But after Ada

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<v Speaker 1>split with her partner a while ago and James Stewart

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<v Speaker 1>got divorced from his wife, there had been rumors that

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<v Speaker 1>they're on screen shep had spilled over to their real life.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Aida walked onto the Logi stage with James

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<v Speaker 1>that night a few weeks ago and they were holding

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<v Speaker 1>hands with big grins on their faces, I did a

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<v Speaker 1>big whoo from the audience because I'm very immature, but

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<v Speaker 1>also because this was one hell of a hard launch.

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<v Speaker 1>The last time I spoke to Ada, three years ago

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<v Speaker 1>on No Filter, she was still with her long term

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<v Speaker 1>partner Adam, and James was just her co star. But

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<v Speaker 1>a lot can change in a woman's life when she

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<v Speaker 1>makes some hard choices and puts herself first. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what this conversation is about. Ada looked more comfortable in

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<v Speaker 1>her skin than I'd ever seen her when she walked

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<v Speaker 1>into the studio to record this episode of No Filter,

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<v Speaker 1>and I began our conversation by asking how she felt

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<v Speaker 1>walking onto the stage and effectively announcing to the whole

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<v Speaker 1>industry and the whole world, yeah, it is on.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I think I skipped it. You see

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<v Speaker 2>me skip. I don't know why I skipped, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>an idiot. I was really excited. I was really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously we were going to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>Logis anyway, because it's a work event, so we're always going.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is the first time that we were photographed

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<v Speaker 2>together and all that. I didn't realize that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be presenting together until probably a month before. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was just really nice to share that moment with

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<v Speaker 2>him and just to finally go, yeah, we're together, Like

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<v Speaker 2>no big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys, like except for me in the audience.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, not that I'm comparing myself to Meryl

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<v Speaker 2>Streep here, but I was. I think I was listening

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<v Speaker 2>to you guys the other day, and you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the Spill, and you guys were talking about Meryl

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<v Speaker 2>Streep maybe being together with Martin Sure, Martin Sure and

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<v Speaker 2>Star and only Murders in the building. And there is

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<v Speaker 2>something really exciting when coast stars get together. So I

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<v Speaker 2>get it. I totally get.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mean exciting for the fans or exciting for

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<v Speaker 1>the co stars?

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<v Speaker 2>No, well, hopefully for the coast, yeah, but no for

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<v Speaker 2>the fans. And I really get into TV shows like

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<v Speaker 2>I totally do, and I totally go. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>they're together, we all do, like if Yeah, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>what you do. But yes, it was I guess a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of a hard launch, so to speak. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was just about us hanging out and having a

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<v Speaker 2>great time and we had a great weekend and we

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<v Speaker 2>went out for dinner the night before and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you decide when to talk about it publicly?

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<v Speaker 1>You're not someone who usually gets stalked by paparazzi, not

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<v Speaker 1>too much. You do when there's something going on in

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<v Speaker 1>your life, but you manage to mostly live your life

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<v Speaker 1>out of that spotlight, perhaps because you've been in it

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<v Speaker 1>for so many years and you've not before dated anyone

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<v Speaker 1>famous that we know of. Yeah, like, how long did

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<v Speaker 1>you have to take steps to keep things quiet?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was that strategic. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>it was very new. We were just getting together. We

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to do our thing. Unfortunately, when we were papped,

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<v Speaker 2>then got out there and we didn't want that again,

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<v Speaker 2>so we got papped kissing. I mean it was a

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<v Speaker 2>really hot flow was actually where were you? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like we so was anazac day. We were

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<v Speaker 2>like played two up and just like at around We're

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<v Speaker 2>excited literally no literally like the dorkiest par but we're

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<v Speaker 2>like the best day. And we were just getting in

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<v Speaker 2>an uber to go back. But we were out the

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<v Speaker 2>front of the Ritz and the lights were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the lights are on at the Ritz, and he just

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<v Speaker 2>gave me a bit of a kiss. We were waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for Uber and then next minute we were papped.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that at the time that you'd been papped?

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<v Speaker 1>When you get papped as a famous person, are you

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<v Speaker 1>aware or you only know when you see the pictures on.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm It depends. In that case. We didn't know until

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<v Speaker 2>once we sort of we're not kissing, and then James

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<v Speaker 2>saw the car like the pap like sort of further away.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we've been followed all day and which.

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<v Speaker 1>You get thinking feeling it's really really creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I mean okay, everyone knew who needed to

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<v Speaker 2>know anyway, Like, it wasn't like we were hiding it

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<v Speaker 2>from anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was a person you told?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh geez, oh my best friends to mine? Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my best friends of mine? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Was she shocked?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah I was shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>You were shocked?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was shocked. Jimmy and I have known each

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<v Speaker 2>other for like twenty five thirty years, I think, so

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<v Speaker 2>there was no feelings for a really really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was shocked when I started having feelings. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>someone was shocked because she knew how I felt about him,

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<v Speaker 2>like all this time. So yes, like he was a

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<v Speaker 2>brother yeah, like a friend yeah, like a yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>a work yeah, like a work friend yeah yeah, yeah

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<v Speaker 2>was there?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you had to kiss and stuff as work friends, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not what most people do with their work friends.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird, but acting is weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, what's.

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<v Speaker 1>That like kissing someone who is just your mate? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it just like you feel nothing or you're a human

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh yeah it's a nice kiss or

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<v Speaker 1>not a nice kiss.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's kind of weird how I don't feel anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's because I've been doing that for nearly

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years, Like I've been acting that it is just

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<v Speaker 2>choreography and you're in a room, you know what it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, like I said, no, but you've been you know

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<v Speaker 2>producing now, you know, like TV shit, like when you're

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<v Speaker 2>filming something or have you seen a kissing scene been filmed?

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a kissing scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that hilarious?

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<v Speaker 1>That? Yeah? No, I don't like I haven't been on

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<v Speaker 1>set that much. I'm more on set for the office

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<v Speaker 1>scenes with Strata, so I haven't been on set for

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<v Speaker 1>the more intimate scene. Okay, is there isn't an intimacy

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<v Speaker 1>coordinator on Home and Aways? There the launchy there is

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<v Speaker 1>now it's even just for kissing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I've never had an intimacy coordinator,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would have liked to throughout the years. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a real it's a recent thing and I

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<v Speaker 2>think gets better, absolutely better. I think it's great that

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<v Speaker 2>there's rules. I think it's and again understanding the boreography,

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<v Speaker 2>understanding where the other person's going to go, and you

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<v Speaker 2>know at this point your hand's going to go here,

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<v Speaker 2>and at that point your arm's gonna get like so.

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<v Speaker 1>Before there was an intimacy coordinator. I love how you

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<v Speaker 1>call it choreography. That's such an interesting way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you are your actors, You're moving and doing things

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<v Speaker 1>in a certain order for a camera and an audience.

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<v Speaker 1>How did it used to happen before there was an

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<v Speaker 1>intimacy coordinator? How did you work out the choreography?

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<v Speaker 2>I think sometimes you just didn't. It was sort of

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<v Speaker 2>in the moment. I think it depends, it depends who

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<v Speaker 2>the director was. I think it was a little bit rogue.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we had all of this. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have all of this beforehand. And you either talk to

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<v Speaker 2>your fellow actor beforehand and this is what I'm comfortable with,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not what I'm comfortable with. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>we need from the scene as well, and with the director.

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<v Speaker 2>But other than that, there wasn't a lot of talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think it's great that there is now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven, so I can say I'm not comfortable with this,

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<v Speaker 2>or I am comfortable with whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>What might you not be comfortable with? What's an example

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<v Speaker 1>of what you wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Be comfortable, Well, I wouldn't do any nudity that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a home and away thing like.

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<v Speaker 2>That would never be proposed to you know, No, but

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<v Speaker 2>there might be I don't know, turning up to work

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<v Speaker 2>with you know, you could have just little pasty things

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<v Speaker 2>on your boobs and you know, I've never done that,

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<v Speaker 2>so actually I have. Oh there's something coming up where

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<v Speaker 2>our characters skinny dip. But again we were I was

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<v Speaker 2>wearing like a full swimming costume and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the first time I've ever done something like that

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<v Speaker 2>as well. But yeah, I wouldn't be comfortable with being

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<v Speaker 2>touched in paces that I'm just not comfortable being touched

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<v Speaker 2>in with. Is that the right grammar? You know? And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be doing like full on sex

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<v Speaker 2>scenes and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, can I ask when there's kissing, is there like

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<v Speaker 1>rules that like no tongue, no tongue? Is that an

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<v Speaker 1>explicit rule or do you do you beforehand just go

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<v Speaker 1>just to be clear no tongue or does every reactor

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<v Speaker 1>just know that there's never a tongue.

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<v Speaker 2>So every actor knows that there's no tongue. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you're just working with an actor for the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>you will say that, you will say no tongue Like obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>once I worked with Jimmy for a long time, I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have to say that because you would just know.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, when you first tart out with someone, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you're actually dating, is their tongue?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's still like it's choreography. Like it's so weird

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<v Speaker 2>because again, going back to my point earlier, you're in

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<v Speaker 2>a room full of people, Well that's true, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I forgot about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And actually it's probably even weirder now because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want people think that because we're together, Like it's very professional.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got a way that your characters kiss, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you had to find a way that Aida and

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy kisses Aida and Jimmy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we think about it this point.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think my overthinking it?

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<v Speaker 2>But do you think about how you kiss your husband?

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<v Speaker 1>No? But I don't have to pretend kiss him when

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<v Speaker 1>he was my mate for twenty years, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>with someone else and he was too, and then it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's very different.

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<v Speaker 2>Look I know, but okay, it's kind of like you

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<v Speaker 2>have feelings and then you don't like as in it

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<v Speaker 2>is just like doing dance moves. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>whether every other actor feels at me, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>turn on. I'm just dancing. Yeah, So like for example,

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<v Speaker 2>when I do Dance with the Stars and I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>very close dancing with the other dancer.

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<v Speaker 1>Also no tongue though, no tongue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everyone knows that it is just choreography, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can be like very close to someone. Now. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know whether this is normal that you can just

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<v Speaker 2>turn off and turn on like this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, But tell me about catching feelings for

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<v Speaker 1>someone and the awkwardness of knowing someone really well, because

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<v Speaker 1>for most people, and I know it was like this

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<v Speaker 1>for you and your past two long term relationships, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like the feelings come first before anything happens, before you

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<v Speaker 1>get to know the person. It's like either the physical

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<v Speaker 1>attraction or the feelings, and then you get to know

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<v Speaker 1>them afterwards. But when you do it in reverse and

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<v Speaker 1>you fall in love with a friend, yeah, yeah, is

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<v Speaker 1>there like one just moment in the movies, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at him and it's done, Like what, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like it was for me all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, huh, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>What made you go huh?

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like, do you know everything has to

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<v Speaker 2>be aligned? But it's like when you, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you see things differently. How to explain it, Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you have chemistry for the first I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. It's just this there's this spark that

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<v Speaker 2>happens that wasn't there before, Like it was just a

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<v Speaker 2>weird Yeah, it was just a weird like thing that

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<v Speaker 2>happened in that moment, Like it was a weird it

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<v Speaker 2>was just weird spark.

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<v Speaker 1>After this short break outgrowing old relationships, starting new ones,

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<v Speaker 1>navigating blended families with Aida Nicotino. When we last spoke,

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<v Speaker 1>you were still with your partner Adam, and you been

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<v Speaker 1>divorced from Chris, your husband and the father of your son,

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<v Speaker 1>who was at the time nine he's now twelve. Yeah, Jonas,

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<v Speaker 1>you had a blended family. I don't know if Adam

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<v Speaker 1>did Adam have kids? No, So I wanted to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you without delving into your private life. But that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing. But you know, benefits in the news

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, and I've got a lot of friends

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<v Speaker 1>who've been part of blended families brought their kids together

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<v Speaker 1>with either a step parent and step siblings often and

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<v Speaker 1>then when that relationship ends, how do you deconstruct it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>because Jonas spent a lot of his life with Adam.

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<v Speaker 2>With Adam, yeah, and that's still a relationship, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a very important relationship. You know, Adam loves

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<v Speaker 2>Jonas and Jonas loves Adam, and they lived together for

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<v Speaker 2>a really long time, and you know, you take him

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<v Speaker 2>to school and you know, he brought him up as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Does he still see Chris as well? His father, his biology,

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<v Speaker 1>so we share custody you father's Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, he's got one father, he's got and I've

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<v Speaker 2>always made that really clear. But he's got like I

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<v Speaker 2>guess like a step parent or another adult in his

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<v Speaker 2>life that has helped to bring him up as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What a great thing for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so, And that's the way I've always

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<v Speaker 2>put that. You know, I think he's very lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>have Adam in his life. And he's very different to Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>so he gets different stuff out of Adam that he

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<v Speaker 2>would from Chris. But yeah, that relationship definitely should still

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<v Speaker 2>keep going. I think that's really important.

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<v Speaker 1>The decision to end that relationship after quite a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Glennon Doyle talks about this thing about when you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a choice between disappointing other people and disappointing yourself, you've

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<v Speaker 1>always got to choose to disappoint other people. Was it

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<v Speaker 1>a difficult decision?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it was. Yeah, And I'm not really good

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<v Speaker 2>at disappointing other people. I always disappoint myself. Absolutely, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nothing that just happens overnight when you know the

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<v Speaker 2>end of a relationship. It's over a really long period

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<v Speaker 2>of time. But yeah, life is short, and you do

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be happy. And I did choose myself. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And what like would your friends say, is different about

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<v Speaker 1>you now as opposed to maybe three years ago when

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<v Speaker 1>we had a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeez, I don't know, because I'm not trying to think

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<v Speaker 2>about what I was like three years ago. What I

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<v Speaker 2>can say is me now as opposed to me, say

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<v Speaker 2>last year or the year beforehand, is like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm more ater again. I feel open, freer. Not saying

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<v Speaker 2>that Adam, I was just okay. So it's so hard

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<v Speaker 2>when you're you're at different stages of your life, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're just different in different stages of your life, and

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<v Speaker 2>you need different things and you sometimes just attract different

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<v Speaker 2>people in different stages of your life. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>feel like I'm more myself than I have been in

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<v Speaker 2>a really long time. I laugh a lot. I'm really happy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really happy.

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<v Speaker 1>You seem really happy. It's easy to lose your identity

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<v Speaker 1>in a long term relationship, isn't it. And it's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say that you can't get it back again within

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<v Speaker 1>that relationship, and I think there are times, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be really tricky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's and it's both your faults, Like it's always,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, it's not just it just happens.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jonas was nine when we last spoke. He's now twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty interesting age for a boy because it's

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<v Speaker 1>when you and he have always been so close. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that, like twelve thirteen was when my

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<v Speaker 1>son's started to pull away from me or you're getting to.

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<v Speaker 2>Arsed, Yeah, I know, because it's yeah, he's going into

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<v Speaker 2>high school next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how are you managing with.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Like every time you say that and

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<v Speaker 2>I say this to people. You know, my buddy Mia

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<v Speaker 2>always says that, you know, you're slowly breaking up with

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<v Speaker 2>them every day, and it's I don't know how I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to cope because I'm already studying. Even though we're

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<v Speaker 2>really close, I can see he's just growing up and

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<v Speaker 2>I can see he's changing. Like and we to the

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<v Speaker 2>Swans a few weeks ago, and we were catching public

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<v Speaker 2>transport like we always do, and I said to him,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what, buddy, You're gonna work out what bus?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the tram blah blah blah. And he did

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<v Speaker 2>it so well like he was, which is great. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually a really good thing. And then like even when

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<v Speaker 2>we got to our seats, people were sitting in our

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<v Speaker 2>seats and sorry, I'm so sorry, you're just sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>our seats. Like he just knew how to get himself

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<v Speaker 2>right now. That's lovely, it's actually really great. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>needing me less and less, and that's hard. It's really hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a weird thing when your job is to make

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<v Speaker 1>yourself redundant, and that's the mark of you doing a

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<v Speaker 1>good job. Yeah, as a mother, particularly of a son

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<v Speaker 1>and a daughter, as well, but with girls it's just different.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, girls, you've got a mum. Girls and their relationships

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<v Speaker 1>with their mums. We push each other's buttons. Also, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that old saying A daughter is a daughter for life,

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<v Speaker 1>a son is best friend until he gets a wife,

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<v Speaker 1>or so I've mailed it, but you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like what I always found hardest was that

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<v Speaker 1>the way I love my sons and my daughter, but

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<v Speaker 1>particularly my sons for this reason it's different, is the

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<v Speaker 1>same as when they were two.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally.

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<v Speaker 1>The way they love me is different. Like my eyes

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<v Speaker 1>light up still when I see them, even my son

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<v Speaker 1>who's twenty seven, and their eyes don't light up in

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<v Speaker 1>that same way, and that is hard. But if their

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<v Speaker 1>eyes didn't light up, you probably wouldn't be have done

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<v Speaker 1>such a great job because they need to move away

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<v Speaker 1>from you a little bit and find themselves in the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest gift you can give them is letting them, not

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<v Speaker 1>letting them go completely. But they do come back if

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<v Speaker 1>the foundation is there. I'm here to tell you that

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<v Speaker 1>they do come back. But it's almost like you've had

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<v Speaker 1>all access, all areas, and then the war comes down, slowly, slowly, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing I've noticed your social is just your

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<v Speaker 1>human sunshine on social media when when you flick through

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and there's just shouting people and Instagram's becoming increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>like Twitter in some places. But you seem to have

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<v Speaker 1>really found yourself on social in a way that not

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<v Speaker 1>many famous people do. Yeah, yeah, tell me about how

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<v Speaker 1>you're finding that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like so, okay, well what do I like to see?

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<v Speaker 2>I like to see people being dickheads, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to laugh, and I want to relate.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to see pretty things as well. Don't get

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<v Speaker 2>me wrong. I love all the fashion stuff. I love

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<v Speaker 2>all the makeup stuff, such a girl, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>like all the dorky real stuff as well. And also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I like relating to people, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>people to relate to me as well, and just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>show people what I'm struggling with, like not understanding the

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<v Speaker 2>terminology that the kids are saying these days, like what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell like this is gibbitty toilet.

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<v Speaker 1>The reel that you made with Jonas was so funny

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<v Speaker 1>and he loved it. He's very good.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you some words, and you need

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<v Speaker 2>to explain what they are Okay, Sigma, you're cool. You're like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's so, I've got a lot of risks. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to put it in a centers. I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>today and I was so reals, I'm just gonna slay

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<v Speaker 2>the day at home away.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to ask you about that three years

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<v Speaker 1>ago you said to me, because I was asking you

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like for him when you're recognized in public,

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<v Speaker 1>and you said something that surprised me. You said, he

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<v Speaker 1>really likes it now because he understands it and it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of exciting to him that his mum's famous. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though he's never known anything different, he can see the

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<v Speaker 1>benefits of it now. And you said something like he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a real camera eye or his camera hungry or something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I think back then what I was worried

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<v Speaker 2>about was that he was fame hungry like that. We

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<v Speaker 2>like liked it so much, but it was like really

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<v Speaker 2>important to it and he didn't understand. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>him to grow up and go I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a YouTube star, yeah, which he was saying that back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they're the celebrities that the kids have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I've seen watching YouTube or time what are

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<v Speaker 2>you watching Like it's weird what they watch?

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<v Speaker 1>But I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he was developed enough to understand all

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<v Speaker 2>of that. And I still he still doesn't have a phone.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the next thing that tigh school. Maybe I'm struggling

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<v Speaker 2>with really hard. Yeah, he just got the watch yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>where I can ring him. He doesn't have a phone,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm still sort of trying to navigate all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I now do some videos with him because I think

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<v Speaker 2>he understands the difference. Don't let him see the likes,

0:22:56.805 --> 0:22:59.245
<v Speaker 2>don't let him understand all the other stuff that comes

0:22:59.325 --> 0:23:03.325
<v Speaker 2>with it. But it's how we behave at home. I'm

0:23:03.405 --> 0:23:06.285
<v Speaker 2>literally like, we laugh all the time and we do

0:23:06.325 --> 0:23:09.725
<v Speaker 2>the dumbest stuff and I kind of like really harassing

0:23:09.805 --> 0:23:10.325
<v Speaker 2>him as well.

0:23:10.525 --> 0:23:11.285
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it the best?

0:23:11.285 --> 0:23:15.645
<v Speaker 2>It's the best. So any opportunity where I can embarrass him.

0:23:15.565 --> 0:23:18.165
<v Speaker 1>By saying I actually find it really lay all day

0:23:18.165 --> 0:23:20.285
<v Speaker 1>on home and away because I know.

0:23:20.285 --> 0:23:24.805
<v Speaker 2>That that's really dorky. He was so embarrassing mum. But yeah,

0:23:24.845 --> 0:23:26.725
<v Speaker 2>so I find that stuff really funny. But I still

0:23:26.725 --> 0:23:29.285
<v Speaker 2>do live in it. I mainly do it because it

0:23:29.445 --> 0:23:32.645
<v Speaker 2>is our relationship, but also I get to embarrass him,

0:23:32.885 --> 0:23:33.885
<v Speaker 2>and it's so much.

0:23:33.725 --> 0:23:36.525
<v Speaker 1>Of who you are. Like, I don't put my kids

0:23:36.525 --> 0:23:38.565
<v Speaker 1>on social I didn't when they were little, not because

0:23:38.565 --> 0:23:41.605
<v Speaker 1>I judge anyone who does, but because not so much now.

0:23:41.645 --> 0:23:44.325
<v Speaker 1>But in the past, there's swirled quite a bit of

0:23:44.365 --> 0:23:47.085
<v Speaker 1>hate around me from certain places and trolls and stuff,

0:23:47.285 --> 0:23:49.365
<v Speaker 1>and I've just never wanted to expose them to that,

0:23:49.685 --> 0:23:52.765
<v Speaker 1>so I've just kept them away. But like, there's so

0:23:52.925 --> 0:23:55.325
<v Speaker 1>much a part of who I am and my identity

0:23:55.405 --> 0:23:58.565
<v Speaker 1>and my life that it feels like I'm not showing

0:23:58.565 --> 0:24:01.485
<v Speaker 1>my whole self. So I understand for you, because just

0:24:01.525 --> 0:24:04.485
<v Speaker 1>everyone loves you. It's beautiful to be able to show

0:24:04.525 --> 0:24:06.285
<v Speaker 1>that side of yourself, which is you as a mother.

0:24:06.525 --> 0:24:09.285
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I still think I have to guard it

0:24:09.485 --> 0:24:13.845
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Like you know, sometimes at school people

0:24:13.885 --> 0:24:15.805
<v Speaker 2>do look me up, and there has been sort of

0:24:15.805 --> 0:24:19.525
<v Speaker 2>those moments where he gets really upset and they'll show

0:24:19.605 --> 0:24:21.205
<v Speaker 2>him stuff that they shouldn't be showing him.

0:24:21.285 --> 0:24:23.325
<v Speaker 1>What's the worst thing someone could google about you?

0:24:23.805 --> 0:24:26.965
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Well, the worst thing that happened to Jonas was

0:24:27.125 --> 0:24:30.205
<v Speaker 2>that they googled me and they found stuff about Harrison

0:24:30.405 --> 0:24:33.325
<v Speaker 2>and then they were talking to him about it, and

0:24:33.365 --> 0:24:36.325
<v Speaker 2>that came up again because we had the anniversary of

0:24:36.405 --> 0:24:39.605
<v Speaker 2>his passing not that long ago, and it happened again.

0:24:39.925 --> 0:24:43.965
<v Speaker 1>Harrison is Jonas's brother who you tragically lost when he

0:24:44.045 --> 0:24:47.685
<v Speaker 1>was still born. And Jonas knows about Harrison obviousness, of

0:24:47.765 --> 0:24:49.845
<v Speaker 1>course he does, but it's not something that he wants

0:24:49.925 --> 0:24:50.405
<v Speaker 1>to talk.

0:24:50.245 --> 0:24:53.365
<v Speaker 2>About, No, And he was really upset about it, and

0:24:54.125 --> 0:24:57.325
<v Speaker 2>and I was so upset that that happened again. But

0:24:57.365 --> 0:25:01.165
<v Speaker 2>I said, buddy, Wit, unfortunately, that's going to happen, you know,

0:25:01.205 --> 0:25:03.805
<v Speaker 2>and as you go into high school, it's going to happen.

0:25:03.845 --> 0:25:06.285
<v Speaker 1>There's the kids being mean about it or they were

0:25:06.405 --> 0:25:08.845
<v Speaker 1>just like it just felt inappropriate, and he didn't want

0:25:08.885 --> 0:25:09.685
<v Speaker 1>to talk about about it.

0:25:11.005 --> 0:25:13.525
<v Speaker 2>I think it was a bit of both, Yeah, yeah

0:25:13.605 --> 0:25:16.125
<v Speaker 2>and yeah. So I just said, this's going to happen.

0:25:16.205 --> 0:25:18.325
<v Speaker 2>I think as he goes into high school, there's going

0:25:18.365 --> 0:25:20.245
<v Speaker 2>to be teenage boys that are going to google stuff

0:25:20.245 --> 0:25:21.405
<v Speaker 2>and they're going to say stuff to him.

0:25:21.405 --> 0:25:23.645
<v Speaker 1>At least there aren't nouds out of you around, you know,

0:25:23.885 --> 0:25:25.645
<v Speaker 1>like they could have been. Imagine that that.

0:25:25.605 --> 0:25:29.725
<v Speaker 2>Would exactly exactly. But we need a few lines. We

0:25:29.765 --> 0:25:32.205
<v Speaker 2>need a few lines that you say and that you're

0:25:32.245 --> 0:25:35.285
<v Speaker 2>prepared like that's going to happen, So let's prepare you

0:25:35.445 --> 0:25:38.685
<v Speaker 2>for it. But it's awful, like I've chosen this job

0:25:38.765 --> 0:25:41.725
<v Speaker 2>like he hasn't. But yeah, it's going to happen.

0:25:43.725 --> 0:25:47.205
<v Speaker 1>After this short break. How does they navigate fame the

0:25:47.285 --> 0:25:50.645
<v Speaker 1>perhaps and what do you do when your life becomes clickbait?

0:25:53.885 --> 0:25:56.565
<v Speaker 1>How it's fame changed. You've been famous for so long,

0:25:56.645 --> 0:25:59.645
<v Speaker 1>since you're a kid. And like back in the day,

0:25:59.845 --> 0:26:03.845
<v Speaker 1>it was very there were rules or there were guardrails

0:26:03.885 --> 0:26:07.965
<v Speaker 1>for it. Like famous people would sell stories about their

0:26:07.965 --> 0:26:11.165
<v Speaker 1>weddings or about their baby and they would be paid

0:26:11.165 --> 0:26:13.485
<v Speaker 1>for those and they were nice. Pictures would be done

0:26:13.605 --> 0:26:15.605
<v Speaker 1>and they would give an interview and the interview would

0:26:15.605 --> 0:26:19.805
<v Speaker 1>be nice, and it was all very controlled. Yes, and

0:26:19.885 --> 0:26:22.365
<v Speaker 1>now was it or wasn't it. No, that's how it

0:26:22.485 --> 0:26:23.285
<v Speaker 1>was from the outside.

0:26:23.445 --> 0:26:26.845
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like yes, there was. But also like there was

0:26:26.885 --> 0:26:29.685
<v Speaker 2>more paps around. I think back then, and I think

0:26:29.685 --> 0:26:31.405
<v Speaker 2>there was more money to be made because there was

0:26:31.445 --> 0:26:32.365
<v Speaker 2>more mags out.

0:26:32.205 --> 0:26:34.405
<v Speaker 1>Before there was social media and you could control your

0:26:34.445 --> 0:26:37.045
<v Speaker 1>own Yeah, have your own voice out there.

0:26:37.165 --> 0:26:40.285
<v Speaker 2>So in one respect, now at least you can control

0:26:40.325 --> 0:26:44.165
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of it. There's less paps and unless

0:26:44.605 --> 0:26:48.325
<v Speaker 2>you know you're kissing your co star father Ritz. You're

0:26:48.325 --> 0:26:53.365
<v Speaker 2>not really getting followed, so it is quite controlled, I

0:26:53.405 --> 0:26:56.325
<v Speaker 2>think now as opposed to then. But you know everyone

0:26:56.325 --> 0:26:58.925
<v Speaker 2>didn't have camera phones back then. Oh yeah as well,

0:26:59.245 --> 0:26:59.925
<v Speaker 2>thank god?

0:27:00.285 --> 0:27:01.045
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine?

0:27:01.045 --> 0:27:04.445
<v Speaker 2>Thank god? Like when we were growing up, you know,

0:27:04.845 --> 0:27:08.125
<v Speaker 2>we were all sixteen seventeen eighteen, like we all went

0:27:08.165 --> 0:27:10.965
<v Speaker 2>to nightclub like, thank god that there isn't. But now

0:27:11.005 --> 0:27:13.165
<v Speaker 2>wherever you are people can take Like you're in Coles,

0:27:13.285 --> 0:27:14.725
<v Speaker 2>people are taking a photo of you.

0:27:14.765 --> 0:27:16.125
<v Speaker 1>What do you do when that happens?

0:27:16.605 --> 0:27:17.525
<v Speaker 2>I always take a photo?

0:27:18.125 --> 0:27:19.845
<v Speaker 1>What do you mean? Oh no, I don't mean when

0:27:19.845 --> 0:27:21.685
<v Speaker 1>they come up. But if do people come up and

0:27:21.685 --> 0:27:23.885
<v Speaker 1>say can I have a selfie? Or are they do

0:27:23.965 --> 0:27:25.205
<v Speaker 1>people do that sneaky thing?

0:27:25.285 --> 0:27:28.085
<v Speaker 2>I do see the sneaky thing? Is that shit you

0:27:28.085 --> 0:27:30.205
<v Speaker 2>you'll get? Does? I think it's a little bit rude,

0:27:30.365 --> 0:27:33.045
<v Speaker 2>But I never say anything, do you know? I don't

0:27:33.045 --> 0:27:34.885
<v Speaker 2>know if I've told you this story last time? But okay,

0:27:34.885 --> 0:27:37.885
<v Speaker 2>So my beautiful friend li Ma Grangeer plays Irene on

0:27:38.005 --> 0:27:41.125
<v Speaker 2>Home and Away. Love her to bits, but she gets

0:27:41.125 --> 0:27:43.805
<v Speaker 2>the shits a lot. Like you know, if people just

0:27:43.925 --> 0:27:46.005
<v Speaker 2>she'll say no, if she's not up for a photo.

0:27:46.765 --> 0:27:48.965
<v Speaker 2>It's so great. She'll say no, we'll be at the

0:27:49.005 --> 0:27:50.205
<v Speaker 2>airport waiting for our lugi.

0:27:50.485 --> 0:27:51.925
<v Speaker 1>How does she do it? Nah?

0:27:52.125 --> 0:27:53.845
<v Speaker 2>Nah, I'm just not up for it, darb n not

0:27:53.885 --> 0:27:56.885
<v Speaker 2>doing it. Stuff like that, And I'm like, oh, I'll

0:27:56.885 --> 0:27:58.925
<v Speaker 2>do it. Whatever you want. You want to take a photo,

0:27:58.965 --> 0:27:59.685
<v Speaker 2>I'll take a photo.

0:28:00.085 --> 0:28:02.525
<v Speaker 1>Can I carry a bag to it? I'll do it.

0:28:02.605 --> 0:28:05.405
<v Speaker 2>I always over compensate. Or if they call her Irene,

0:28:05.525 --> 0:28:09.005
<v Speaker 2>my name's Lynn, I'm like, oh, I don't care what

0:28:09.045 --> 0:28:11.365
<v Speaker 2>you call Literally could call me whatever you want. I'm

0:28:11.365 --> 0:28:15.445
<v Speaker 2>always doing that. Anyway, we were in Melbourne watching Wicked

0:28:15.645 --> 0:28:18.205
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's a Princess Theater or something. Anyway, intermission,

0:28:18.605 --> 0:28:21.405
<v Speaker 2>we're waiting for the loop and there's one line. It's

0:28:21.445 --> 0:28:25.645
<v Speaker 2>a long line and it's like this narrow corridor right,

0:28:25.885 --> 0:28:29.085
<v Speaker 2>you can't move, And there was these girls in front

0:28:29.125 --> 0:28:31.565
<v Speaker 2>of us and they were doing the sly little thing

0:28:31.725 --> 0:28:36.605
<v Speaker 2>taking a photo. Lynn lost her ship, like she lost

0:28:36.645 --> 0:28:39.965
<v Speaker 2>her ship. You know, I can see what you're doing.

0:28:40.045 --> 0:28:43.485
<v Speaker 2>Do you realize how rhythm? And she's lost her ship.

0:28:44.045 --> 0:28:47.845
<v Speaker 2>The problem was then we had nowhere to go. We

0:28:47.845 --> 0:28:52.005
<v Speaker 2>were still in the line. We could through and then

0:28:52.005 --> 0:28:55.445
<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, I should have done that. You shouldn't

0:28:55.445 --> 0:28:55.805
<v Speaker 2>have done that.

0:28:55.845 --> 0:28:57.645
<v Speaker 1>People must lose their ship when they see the two

0:28:57.685 --> 0:29:00.245
<v Speaker 1>of you together, because I imagine when you buy yourself,

0:29:00.245 --> 0:29:02.445
<v Speaker 1>it's easier for you to get around, is it or not?

0:29:02.685 --> 0:29:04.085
<v Speaker 1>I meantinctive.

0:29:04.445 --> 0:29:08.845
<v Speaker 2>So I've got this tunnel vision thing where I don't see.

0:29:08.925 --> 0:29:11.005
<v Speaker 1>All of that, and you don't see people seeing you.

0:29:11.165 --> 0:29:14.525
<v Speaker 2>I don't. So it's annoying actually because you're not looking

0:29:14.565 --> 0:29:17.005
<v Speaker 2>at everything. But that's what I love. When I go

0:29:17.045 --> 0:29:19.845
<v Speaker 2>to Europe or the States or whatever, I could just

0:29:19.925 --> 0:29:23.165
<v Speaker 2>I just look. I look at everything, and people are

0:29:23.245 --> 0:29:25.365
<v Speaker 2>rude to me. But people not rude, but they're just normal.

0:29:25.525 --> 0:29:26.685
<v Speaker 1>That must feel refreshing.

0:29:26.725 --> 0:29:29.405
<v Speaker 2>It away so good, it's so good. But also I

0:29:29.445 --> 0:29:32.005
<v Speaker 2>realize how much I get away with, like how nice

0:29:32.045 --> 0:29:32.685
<v Speaker 2>people are.

0:29:33.285 --> 0:29:35.605
<v Speaker 1>So you get excellent customer service. You're like, so, what

0:29:35.645 --> 0:29:37.605
<v Speaker 1>do you mean it's bad customer service?

0:29:38.605 --> 0:29:42.245
<v Speaker 2>Adam driving say with this because he's so nice and

0:29:43.005 --> 0:29:46.205
<v Speaker 2>it's because you're beautiful. No, it's not, it's not. You're

0:29:46.205 --> 0:29:49.205
<v Speaker 2>a girl, and you know he was just being nice.

0:29:49.445 --> 0:29:51.725
<v Speaker 2>I understand what that means. Now, So look I don't

0:29:51.805 --> 0:29:53.965
<v Speaker 2>I don't notice it. As she was saying to you

0:29:54.125 --> 0:29:57.165
<v Speaker 2>the other day, so now it's like a Davil wormy.

0:29:57.245 --> 0:30:00.765
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like when you go out together people laying.

0:30:00.845 --> 0:30:03.965
<v Speaker 2>The other week, it was actually quite interesting how different

0:30:03.965 --> 0:30:07.725
<v Speaker 2>it was. Again, we don't realize here in city so much,

0:30:07.765 --> 0:30:10.205
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it was. This is a double whemming.

0:30:10.805 --> 0:30:12.925
<v Speaker 1>Does that make you think twice before you go out?

0:30:13.485 --> 0:30:16.205
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm never gonna do that. No, no, I'm never

0:30:16.205 --> 0:30:18.645
<v Speaker 2>gonna do that. Never have done that. The only thing

0:30:18.645 --> 0:30:20.125
<v Speaker 2>that does give me the shits is when the paps

0:30:20.125 --> 0:30:23.365
<v Speaker 2>take photos of our kids. I don't like that. All

0:30:23.485 --> 0:30:26.045
<v Speaker 2>the other day we were like getting out of an

0:30:26.125 --> 0:30:29.325
<v Speaker 2>uber so being a Queensland had a really late night,

0:30:29.605 --> 0:30:32.805
<v Speaker 2>like still had eight hours. I'm like, literally my eyes

0:30:32.965 --> 0:30:36.005
<v Speaker 2>take I don't know until mid day to wake up

0:30:36.045 --> 0:30:39.125
<v Speaker 2>these days, like i'me so puffy anyway, got out of

0:30:39.125 --> 0:30:42.565
<v Speaker 2>the uber and I can't see properly anymore. I really

0:30:42.605 --> 0:30:45.445
<v Speaker 2>need glasses all the time. So I was just like

0:30:45.605 --> 0:30:48.445
<v Speaker 2>looking across the road at something going that's a really

0:30:48.485 --> 0:30:52.485
<v Speaker 2>interesting come I realized that it was photo.

0:30:52.725 --> 0:30:54.365
<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't laugh. I should never have clicked on that.

0:30:54.285 --> 0:30:57.245
<v Speaker 2>St it was so bad and it was like eating

0:30:57.285 --> 0:31:01.245
<v Speaker 2>Nicko Demo reveals those shoes have puffy face After surgery

0:31:01.285 --> 0:31:04.525
<v Speaker 2>and body transformation. I'm like, what was my body like beforehand?

0:31:05.365 --> 0:31:06.965
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at the only way I was looking

0:31:06.965 --> 0:31:09.645
<v Speaker 1>at that today because I was like doing my research.

0:31:09.725 --> 0:31:12.245
<v Speaker 1>And firstly, it was so unfair. I mean, that's why

0:31:12.285 --> 0:31:15.085
<v Speaker 1>Mum and Me doesn't ever publish capa photos, which looks

0:31:15.325 --> 0:31:18.365
<v Speaker 1>terrible though, because it's just about humiliating women and stalking them,

0:31:18.365 --> 0:31:21.285
<v Speaker 1>which is mess up. Yeah, and then monetizing that, which

0:31:21.325 --> 0:31:24.405
<v Speaker 1>is just awful. And with the whole story was that

0:31:24.445 --> 0:31:28.205
<v Speaker 1>you were puffy and that something body transformation. I'm like,

0:31:28.245 --> 0:31:31.045
<v Speaker 1>what surgery? And then it was all about how you'd

0:31:31.245 --> 0:31:34.245
<v Speaker 1>acknowledged years ago that you'd had a boob job.

0:31:34.405 --> 0:31:36.765
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm like years ago, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

0:31:36.765 --> 0:31:39.005
<v Speaker 1>And the occasionally you get botox yeeah yeah, and I do.

0:31:39.245 --> 0:31:42.765
<v Speaker 2>I did get botox, same, but I wasn't puffy from

0:31:42.845 --> 0:31:45.645
<v Speaker 2>anything that I did to my face. I was just tired,

0:31:45.885 --> 0:31:48.125
<v Speaker 2>and it was so they.

0:31:47.965 --> 0:31:50.645
<v Speaker 1>Once called my stomach confronting, and it's like, it's just

0:31:50.685 --> 0:31:53.765
<v Speaker 1>my stomach. I'm sorry if it's confronting. It's so awful

0:31:53.925 --> 0:31:55.285
<v Speaker 1>the way they talk about women, it.

0:31:55.325 --> 0:31:58.765
<v Speaker 2>Really is awful. And actually I showed Simone, my best friend,

0:31:58.845 --> 0:32:03.485
<v Speaker 2>the photos and she's like, oh, oh, I mean first

0:32:03.525 --> 0:32:06.125
<v Speaker 2>she was angry. She's like, can't you sue them? Like

0:32:06.165 --> 0:32:09.005
<v Speaker 2>oh really, I mean as if like which, because how

0:32:09.125 --> 0:32:11.485
<v Speaker 2>do you they you were just tired, And I'm like,

0:32:11.685 --> 0:32:13.765
<v Speaker 2>but I do not really bad. It's actually quite funny,

0:32:13.805 --> 0:32:16.165
<v Speaker 2>like you do look bad. Yeah, you have to laugh.

0:32:16.445 --> 0:32:18.645
<v Speaker 2>But then the scout was in that photo. And that's

0:32:18.685 --> 0:32:21.445
<v Speaker 2>what I don't like because I'm thinking, say, Jimmy's scared

0:32:21.525 --> 0:32:25.405
<v Speaker 2>daughter and she's twelve as well, Jonas is twelve. I

0:32:25.525 --> 0:32:27.445
<v Speaker 2>just don't like that stuff. But again, it is what

0:32:27.565 --> 0:32:27.845
<v Speaker 2>it is.

0:32:28.005 --> 0:32:29.685
<v Speaker 1>There are laws in some countries that you have to

0:32:29.685 --> 0:32:30.885
<v Speaker 1>blur out the faces of the kids.

0:32:30.925 --> 0:32:33.845
<v Speaker 2>I don't you're not here. When Jonas was really young

0:32:34.085 --> 0:32:36.845
<v Speaker 2>and perhaps would follow me and it was like quite

0:32:36.925 --> 0:32:39.325
<v Speaker 2>dangerous or or like he'd be in my front yard

0:32:39.685 --> 0:32:42.765
<v Speaker 2>and there'd be photos and I'd ring the police because

0:32:42.765 --> 0:32:45.165
<v Speaker 2>there was like three cars, two cars, like it's actually

0:32:45.245 --> 0:32:47.805
<v Speaker 2>quite scary. It's stalk or they follow they're following us

0:32:47.885 --> 0:32:50.805
<v Speaker 2>and he's getting scared. They can't do anything about it,

0:32:50.845 --> 0:32:54.005
<v Speaker 2>which is so weird to me that that can't happen.

0:32:54.125 --> 0:32:56.765
<v Speaker 2>Take photos of me, just don't take photos of my kids.

0:32:56.605 --> 0:32:59.005
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like if someone was doing that without a

0:32:59.045 --> 0:33:02.525
<v Speaker 1>camera and selling the photos, it would be called stalking. Yeah,

0:33:02.565 --> 0:33:05.405
<v Speaker 1>because they've got a camera and they're selling the photos

0:33:05.405 --> 0:33:08.125
<v Speaker 1>and making money out of it, it's suddenly just a job.

0:33:08.245 --> 0:33:09.885
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so when the.

0:33:09.845 --> 0:33:11.725
<v Speaker 1>Police can't do anything. I've heard this from a lot

0:33:11.765 --> 0:33:12.165
<v Speaker 1>of women.

0:33:12.325 --> 0:33:17.245
<v Speaker 2>Weird and also very threatening. Lends stuff as well. How

0:33:17.285 --> 0:33:18.485
<v Speaker 2>long have you been watching me?

0:33:18.805 --> 0:33:19.165
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>What have you seen? Like anyway? Again, I mean the industry.

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<v Speaker 2>I once, you know, it was one of those celebrities

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<v Speaker 2>that sold stories, sold my wedding, all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But at what point do I have to keep making

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<v Speaker 2>excuses for that?

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<v Speaker 1>But you're right, like it's your right to decide if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to sell a picture of yourself or publish

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of yourself. When someone does it without your consent, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's yucky.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really yucky. It really is yuckyh Yeah. And even

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<v Speaker 2>at work there was a day where because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Lea doesn't wear bikinis. But I was like about three

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<v Speaker 2>or four years ago, I mean, oh okay, the odd

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<v Speaker 2>time you can put me in a bikini. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there was this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Day, how do you decide Lee's your character, of course, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you decide? But you're at the position where

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<v Speaker 1>you can say, do you ever get a script and

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<v Speaker 1>just go, I'm not wearing that. I'm not saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing that to a point, Yeah, what is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that you would because it's your character,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also you, right, So what are the kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of things that you would draw the line?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, look, if I was feeling uncomfortable, for example, if

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<v Speaker 2>there was any sort of nud or anything that I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't comfortable with, if there was a bikini scene. And also, look,

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<v Speaker 2>we are the keeper of our characters. I mean I've

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<v Speaker 2>been playing me or I think for twenty three years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so there'll be some things that might come out of

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<v Speaker 2>written with that down, I go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. I had more questions for Ada. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>ask her about getting older and perimenopause. She's forty seven now,

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<v Speaker 1>and also trying to relate to teenage kids that feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of your parents aging, your kids are aging away from you,

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<v Speaker 1>And what was it like when Ada and James really

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<v Speaker 1>did start seeing each other, and how did they tell

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<v Speaker 1>their castmates? Do they have to disclose it to hr.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find all of this out in Part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our conversation. There's a link in the show notes