WEBVTT - Georgia Love On Private Pain In A Public Life 0:00:10.365 --> 0:00:15.005 You're listening to a MoMA mia podcast. Mama Miya acknowledges 0:00:15.045 --> 0:00:17.685 the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast 0:00:17.765 --> 0:00:18.485 is recorded on. 0:00:18.685 --> 0:00:22.285 That's been a big part of what has been difficult 0:00:22.325 --> 0:00:28.205 about making the public announcement that we have decided to separate, 0:00:28.325 --> 0:00:30.725 because I don't want to feel like I've. 0:00:30.645 --> 0:00:31.525 Let anyone down. 0:00:32.125 --> 0:00:34.525 Sorry, I'm getting teary about this because it's so silly, 0:00:34.565 --> 0:00:37.765 because it's not about anyone else. But so many people 0:00:37.845 --> 0:00:43.045 say often that they look at our relationship and feel 0:00:43.045 --> 0:00:44.365 like that gives them hope. 0:00:53.285 --> 0:00:56.285 Hi, I'm Kate lane Brook and welcome to No Filter. 0:00:57.605 --> 0:01:01.525 Georgia Love and yes that is her real name, has 0:01:01.605 --> 0:01:04.885 always had a lot of love to give. Almost a 0:01:04.925 --> 0:01:08.445 decade ago, she stepped onto our screens as the bachelorette 0:01:08.885 --> 0:01:13.605 search for just that love. She found it too, forming 0:01:13.685 --> 0:01:17.285 a relationship in the public eye that captured hearts around 0:01:17.325 --> 0:01:22.285 the country. But now, almost ten years on, that same 0:01:22.405 --> 0:01:26.765 relationship is ending, also in full view of the public. 0:01:27.965 --> 0:01:31.645 Georgia is no stranger to loss, both the kind she's 0:01:31.765 --> 0:01:34.765 chosen to share with the world and the kind she's 0:01:34.805 --> 0:01:38.805 fought fiercely to keep private from losing her mum just 0:01:38.925 --> 0:01:43.485 days after her Bachelorette finale aired to navigating a very 0:01:43.565 --> 0:01:49.525 public cancelation, stepping away from her career, losing friendships, and 0:01:49.605 --> 0:01:54.165 now facing the end of a major chapter in her life. 0:01:54.245 --> 0:01:59.005 Georgia has weathered more storms than most each time she's 0:01:59.005 --> 0:02:06.605 picked herself up, rebuilt her life, and somehow stayed open hearted, resilient, vulnerable, 0:02:07.245 --> 0:02:10.685 and tougher than she often gets credit. It four Georgia 0:02:10.725 --> 0:02:14.045 Love is a woman who has lived many lives in 0:02:14.125 --> 0:02:17.765 one and I think by the end of this conversation 0:02:18.765 --> 0:02:21.125 you're going to fall a little bit in love with 0:02:21.245 --> 0:02:27.765 Georgia Love too. Georgia Love, Hello, welcome to No Filter. 0:02:28.125 --> 0:02:28.485 Thank you. 0:02:28.565 --> 0:02:31.605 It's lovely to have you here in this chair. Well, 0:02:31.605 --> 0:02:35.605 it's lovely to have you there in that chair. We 0:02:35.685 --> 0:02:39.045 may be in the same chair, I mean, I like 0:02:39.085 --> 0:02:45.765 that since you first came to our attention. Bachelorette twenty sixteen. Yeah, 0:02:46.005 --> 0:02:49.045 the most remarkable that everyone, the whole nation was like, 0:02:49.125 --> 0:02:52.325 it's her name Love, it's her name Love, and she's 0:02:52.365 --> 0:02:53.205 looking for love. 0:02:53.525 --> 0:02:55.605 I'm sure that's why I got the gig. The promos 0:02:55.605 --> 0:02:56.965 wrote themselves, Oh it. 0:02:56.925 --> 0:03:01.605 Was, It's amazing. So Love is a blessing and has 0:03:01.685 --> 0:03:03.885 proven to be. I think also your quest in. 0:03:03.925 --> 0:03:08.005 Life, maybe, yeah, very much. I would hope it's everybody's. 0:03:08.125 --> 0:03:10.445 I think as humans, we all strive for love, be 0:03:10.525 --> 0:03:14.565 that a romantic relationship or friendships, or a love for 0:03:14.645 --> 0:03:16.605 your career. I think we should all be striving for 0:03:16.685 --> 0:03:18.285 love because that's what keeps us going. 0:03:18.365 --> 0:03:22.085 What's the point otherwise one minute in and already wisdom 0:03:23.445 --> 0:03:24.765 my name by nature, Kate. 0:03:24.845 --> 0:03:28.045 I have to believe that you know that self fulfilling prophecy. 0:03:28.685 --> 0:03:32.765 You know that your name can propel you into a 0:03:32.805 --> 0:03:36.245 certain course. You also have a podcast, a very successful 0:03:36.285 --> 0:03:42.165 podcast called Everyone Has an X, and you now. 0:03:42.045 --> 0:03:42.645 Have an X. 0:03:43.205 --> 0:03:46.805 That's why I'm putting the everyone in everyone has an X. Absolutely, 0:03:46.885 --> 0:03:49.005 But this is the thing, right, it does what it 0:03:49.085 --> 0:03:50.245 says on the tin. 0:03:50.485 --> 0:03:51.845 Everyone does, and. 0:03:53.565 --> 0:03:55.645 It's true, you know, we all do. And I think 0:03:55.685 --> 0:03:59.645 that hopefully people can see that. I always have and 0:03:59.685 --> 0:04:04.285 will certainly continue to treat our guest stories with care 0:04:04.325 --> 0:04:08.045 and understanding because I'm very much going through that myself. 0:04:08.085 --> 0:04:09.245 At the moment, when did. 0:04:09.085 --> 0:04:12.605 You start to realize that you and lay your beautiful 0:04:12.645 --> 0:04:15.525 husband ex husband ex husband. 0:04:15.285 --> 0:04:16.965 Well not yet really, I don't know. 0:04:17.085 --> 0:04:19.925 I don't know what you're still in that muddy where, yeah, 0:04:20.005 --> 0:04:25.085 we're agreed to separate, but where yeah, there's certainly no 0:04:25.205 --> 0:04:27.525 paperwork or anything done or that takes a long time. 0:04:27.565 --> 0:04:31.885 Anyway. I feel very weird calling him my ex husband. 0:04:31.925 --> 0:04:33.085 He doesn't. And this is. 0:04:33.205 --> 0:04:36.405 Also a very interesting time to sit down and do 0:04:36.485 --> 0:04:41.205 an interview, isn't it when you're Are you raw or 0:04:41.285 --> 0:04:42.485 are you Yeah? 0:04:42.605 --> 0:04:43.045 Very much? 0:04:43.085 --> 0:04:46.125 But I also know that I will be for a 0:04:46.125 --> 0:04:51.125 long time. Lee and I were together for nine years 0:04:51.165 --> 0:04:54.005 and married for four, So it's not it's not just 0:04:54.045 --> 0:04:56.525 an ex you know, It's not something that in a 0:04:56.605 --> 0:05:00.645 year's time I'll go, oh, the ex boyfriend, very very 0:05:01.125 --> 0:05:05.325 much ingrained in each other's lives, you know, through share 0:05:05.405 --> 0:05:07.125 family and friendships and. 0:05:09.405 --> 0:05:16.565 Horrible love, terrible disgusted. We'll say again, it's in my name. 0:05:16.645 --> 0:05:19.405 My name's punned my whole life. I can't help it. 0:05:20.485 --> 0:05:23.845 But yeah, I don't think he'll ever feel like my 0:05:24.245 --> 0:05:27.765 ex husband. I think we are very I think we 0:05:27.805 --> 0:05:31.845 will always be very connected. We've shared such a beautiful 0:05:31.885 --> 0:05:36.125 life together. I feel so, so so lucky and grateful 0:05:36.245 --> 0:05:41.125 for that. We've gone through a lot in our nine years, 0:05:41.805 --> 0:05:44.645 individually and as a couple, and We've had the most 0:05:44.725 --> 0:05:49.405 wonderful time together as well, So I'll never look back 0:05:49.525 --> 0:05:55.605 on our time together as an ex relationship or something 0:05:55.605 --> 0:05:57.245 that I completely move on from. 0:05:57.885 --> 0:06:00.685 That's very much part of my life story and always 0:06:00.725 --> 0:06:03.085 were woven into the fabric. Absolutely. 0:06:03.125 --> 0:06:06.805 I don't think any long term relationship at all, let 0:06:06.845 --> 0:06:09.125 alone a marriage, and let alone a marriage that has 0:06:09.125 --> 0:06:13.405 gone through big life changes, you know. The loss of 0:06:13.405 --> 0:06:17.645 my mum started our relationship. That was the day after 0:06:17.725 --> 0:06:22.485 our bachelorette finale, my mom passed away. So we've shared 0:06:22.485 --> 0:06:25.325 too much together and we have too much love for 0:06:25.405 --> 0:06:28.965 each other and respect of each other to look back 0:06:29.005 --> 0:06:31.325 on any time with any negativity at all. 0:06:31.565 --> 0:06:36.645 There's an intimacy that the public have with you because 0:06:36.645 --> 0:06:40.205 we watch you fall in love, and so how. 0:06:41.605 --> 0:06:43.285 Is that when you are. 0:06:43.965 --> 0:06:49.005 Consciously uncoupling from someone. But there's so many people that 0:06:49.045 --> 0:06:52.245 have got fingers in the pie of your life, you know, 0:06:52.405 --> 0:06:55.245 and feel entitled to a little piece of it because 0:06:55.285 --> 0:06:56.525 we're invested in you. 0:06:56.845 --> 0:06:58.285 Yeah, and I understand that. 0:06:58.365 --> 0:07:01.045 So that's been a big part of what has been 0:07:01.565 --> 0:07:07.365 difficult about making the public announcement that we have decided 0:07:07.405 --> 0:07:08.925 to separate, because. 0:07:10.645 --> 0:07:12.125 I don't want to feel like I've. 0:07:12.005 --> 0:07:16.085 Let anyone down, which is so silly because it's not 0:07:16.165 --> 0:07:17.085 about anyone else. 0:07:17.125 --> 0:07:18.205 It's just about us. 0:07:18.725 --> 0:07:23.885 But people have been so wonderful following our story along 0:07:23.925 --> 0:07:28.005 since the start, and I feel sorry I'm getting teary 0:07:28.005 --> 0:07:30.285 about this because it's so silly because it's not. 0:07:30.165 --> 0:07:31.045 About anyone else. 0:07:31.085 --> 0:07:35.965 But so many people say often that they look at 0:07:36.005 --> 0:07:37.365 our relationship and. 0:07:37.565 --> 0:07:40.845 Feel like that gives them hope, yes, that they'll. 0:07:40.605 --> 0:07:44.125 Find their person, and they really Yeah, I've been very 0:07:45.005 --> 0:07:48.445 sad about feeling like I've let people down, or we've 0:07:48.525 --> 0:07:49.365 let people down. 0:07:50.165 --> 0:07:50.565 Very much. 0:07:50.605 --> 0:07:53.965 Believe in love where we have not fallen out of love. 0:07:54.205 --> 0:07:57.925 There has always been deep love there. But I don't 0:07:57.965 --> 0:08:00.045 want people to be disappointed. 0:08:00.845 --> 0:08:06.085 No, And that's I understand what you're saying, because even 0:08:06.085 --> 0:08:09.365 though people could go, oh, that's ridiculous, but it's not 0:08:09.445 --> 0:08:11.925 as though there was There were only two of you 0:08:12.125 --> 0:08:15.805 in the relationship. Obviously at an intimacy level, it was 0:08:15.845 --> 0:08:19.045 whatever happened there. But you should feel like you can 0:08:19.125 --> 0:08:24.925 serve yourself. But that's really hard. And also I understand 0:08:24.965 --> 0:08:28.045 why you're moved. I think because it's the when you've 0:08:28.085 --> 0:08:33.405 been through a rough time, people showing you kindness is 0:08:33.445 --> 0:08:36.165 what can wipe the knees out from under you. 0:08:36.885 --> 0:08:38.165 Yeah, that's so true. 0:08:38.725 --> 0:08:42.125 That is what has moved me the most. To use 0:08:42.165 --> 0:08:45.725 your words. You know, some people have been nasty, as 0:08:45.765 --> 0:08:48.805 you can always expect with anyone that's in the public 0:08:48.805 --> 0:08:52.845 eye at all. Online online, that's the thing. No one 0:08:52.885 --> 0:08:55.685 ever comes up to your face and says nasty things. 0:08:55.685 --> 0:08:58.485 It's only ever online. And of course I knew there 0:08:58.485 --> 0:09:00.845 would be the people that would come out of the 0:09:00.845 --> 0:09:03.685 woodwork and go you met on reality TV. 0:09:04.085 --> 0:09:06.845 Surprise, surprise, it didn't work. The thing is, it did work. 0:09:07.445 --> 0:09:10.325 We met on a reality TV show, We fell in love, 0:09:10.485 --> 0:09:15.245 we got married, and we've spent the most incredible years together. 0:09:15.685 --> 0:09:19.765 That's not a failure of the relationship. It's not another 0:09:19.885 --> 0:09:22.925 bachelor couple has failed. I don't see it as a 0:09:22.925 --> 0:09:23.645 failure at all. 0:09:24.525 --> 0:09:27.765 I would imagine those people, though didn't watch the show, 0:09:28.245 --> 0:09:33.765 probably not because that was a very beautiful series and 0:09:34.165 --> 0:09:38.885 it was a very open series. Also because of where 0:09:38.925 --> 0:09:41.925 you were at with your mom, and because he was 0:09:42.045 --> 0:09:44.845 very beautiful, and the tension between Lee and Maddy j 0:09:45.285 --> 0:09:51.125 and all of that, Like people were just you let 0:09:51.165 --> 0:09:53.445 people see you, and I. 0:09:53.485 --> 0:09:57.245 Do that probably to a fault, But I like that 0:09:57.325 --> 0:10:00.045 about myself that I do that, because I think if 0:10:00.085 --> 0:10:03.365 people are walking around the world guarded and trying to 0:10:03.405 --> 0:10:05.285 put on a face or put on a show, that's 0:10:05.365 --> 0:10:08.685 only doing a disservice to yourself. So I've always been 0:10:09.005 --> 0:10:13.045 very old, open and vulnerable, and going into that show, 0:10:13.205 --> 0:10:14.845 I didn't look at it as a show. 0:10:15.525 --> 0:10:17.205 I looked at it as. 0:10:17.445 --> 0:10:20.285 This opportunity has come to me for a reason, this 0:10:20.365 --> 0:10:21.685 is how I meet my person. 0:10:21.805 --> 0:10:23.445 I took it really seriously, I. 0:10:23.565 --> 0:10:26.925 Know, which is amazing actually for someone who's got a background. 0:10:26.965 --> 0:10:32.365 I mean, you were a journalist, but very much well prior. Yeah, 0:10:32.525 --> 0:10:34.765 you were, I don't even want to say just a journalist, 0:10:34.805 --> 0:10:38.885 but you were a journalist and newsreader. And I would 0:10:38.885 --> 0:10:42.445 have thought that someone who knew enough about television would 0:10:42.445 --> 0:10:46.085 have been more cynical than you were, and yet you 0:10:46.165 --> 0:10:46.485 were not. 0:10:47.245 --> 0:10:47.525 No. 0:10:47.685 --> 0:10:50.125 I very much saw it as a sign I was 0:10:50.365 --> 0:10:52.485 approached about applying. 0:10:53.285 --> 0:10:53.405 You know. 0:10:53.445 --> 0:10:56.485 I wasn't just handed the gig, but I was approached 0:10:56.965 --> 0:10:59.285 to see if I wanted to apply, and I thought, 0:10:59.445 --> 0:11:01.845 this can't be for no reason. There's got to be 0:11:01.885 --> 0:11:04.965 a reason I meant to be doing this. I always 0:11:05.005 --> 0:11:07.885 say I'd rather have a regret than go through life 0:11:07.885 --> 0:11:12.205 thinking what if, because I think that does plays more. 0:11:12.045 --> 0:11:13.925 On your mind if you always going, oh what it 0:11:14.005 --> 0:11:17.325 is on that? Yeah, what if? So that's what I think. 0:11:17.525 --> 0:11:20.885 Yeah, I went into it very seriously in that way, 0:11:20.885 --> 0:11:23.885 and I think that's what came across. And it's such 0:11:23.925 --> 0:11:29.125 a beautiful group of boys men on my season as well. 0:11:29.245 --> 0:11:30.765 I was very very lucky. 0:11:30.925 --> 0:11:34.045 And it's really nice to for you to say that 0:11:34.045 --> 0:11:36.445 that came across, because I think if anyone goes in 0:11:36.525 --> 0:11:39.605 and people do go into these kinds of shows wanting 0:11:40.245 --> 0:11:42.725 to come across a certain way or wanting something out 0:11:42.725 --> 0:11:44.965 of it, that isn't actually what the show is there for. 0:11:45.005 --> 0:11:48.485 Well, particularly then, and I mean things have changed quite 0:11:48.565 --> 0:11:52.485 rapidly because now when you watch reality, you know it's 0:11:52.885 --> 0:11:59.925 basically a bunch of rotters who want to who want 0:11:59.925 --> 0:12:04.165 to get a teeth for near you know, sponsorship or 0:12:04.805 --> 0:12:05.445 good on them. 0:12:05.925 --> 0:12:08.165 But that wasn't the case then, no, and I think 0:12:08.205 --> 0:12:08.925 a big. 0:12:08.685 --> 0:12:11.285 Difference when we did it, and then of course all 0:12:11.325 --> 0:12:14.685 the years before, we weren't even allowed to use social 0:12:14.725 --> 0:12:17.685 media until three months after the show, so it was 0:12:17.725 --> 0:12:18.405 not a part of. 0:12:18.365 --> 0:12:21.045 It at all. What was social media then I can't. 0:12:21.165 --> 0:12:25.445 It was Instagram, yeah, but the world of influences and 0:12:25.525 --> 0:12:30.685 influencing was very fresh, and it was you know, it 0:12:30.725 --> 0:12:32.925 was kind of celebrities would do things like that. 0:12:32.965 --> 0:12:35.965 But I don't even know if the term influencer was really. 0:12:36.165 --> 0:12:39.925 Around or used, but so we weren't even allowed to 0:12:39.965 --> 0:12:41.565 use it at all. So that was not something that 0:12:41.605 --> 0:12:44.285 would ever cross your mind going on to it, whereas 0:12:44.285 --> 0:12:46.845 I think now, because so many people have had such 0:12:46.925 --> 0:12:50.845 success in that world, of course from going that has 0:12:50.925 --> 0:12:54.325 been sparked by going on reality TV, there's a difference 0:12:54.485 --> 0:12:57.725 in priorities for people going on a lot of those shows. 0:12:57.805 --> 0:13:01.525 It's certainly not everyone, but it does feel like sometimes 0:13:01.525 --> 0:13:05.685 you're seeing comes across a bit like people are going, right, 0:13:05.805 --> 0:13:08.365 what will give me the most airtime on this show, 0:13:08.365 --> 0:13:11.565 because then that will give me the most social media followers. 0:13:11.685 --> 0:13:14.365 And I think that's a big difference from those early 0:13:14.445 --> 0:13:15.965 days of these kind of shows. 0:13:16.165 --> 0:13:21.765 You've had such a period of intensity that I'm like, 0:13:21.885 --> 0:13:26.445 how did you even process like the passing of your 0:13:26.525 --> 0:13:29.165 mum at the same time as you said like that 0:13:29.845 --> 0:13:31.845 in the midst of the Bachelor finale, and. 0:13:31.845 --> 0:13:32.405 All of that. 0:13:33.845 --> 0:13:39.165 Then been catapulted into this into this world where there 0:13:39.205 --> 0:13:41.445 was a big appetite for you and a hunger. And 0:13:41.525 --> 0:13:45.525 it's a really intense period that post bachelor where you know, 0:13:45.605 --> 0:13:49.005 I was on radio, we'd always talk to the bachelor 0:13:49.005 --> 0:13:52.765 of bachelorette at the time, and yet you had this 0:13:52.925 --> 0:14:01.445 also massive loss and these massive material or career opportunities 0:14:01.485 --> 0:14:02.045 as well. 0:14:02.125 --> 0:14:05.445 How did you handle that? And you had Lee who was. 0:14:05.445 --> 0:14:10.765 Not media savvy, no, and we were brand knew, brand new. 0:14:10.805 --> 0:14:13.205 We were getting to know each other and he's getting 0:14:13.205 --> 0:14:17.325 to know me through the depths of my grief, getting 0:14:17.365 --> 0:14:19.365 to know my family that way. He met all of 0:14:19.365 --> 0:14:23.925 my friends and family at mum's funeral. A what a rollercoaster. 0:14:24.445 --> 0:14:25.685 I can't think of any other term. 0:14:25.685 --> 0:14:27.565 It was the highest of HIGs and the lowest of 0:14:27.605 --> 0:14:31.965 lows that year, and though they've continued, the high heighs 0:14:32.005 --> 0:14:33.565 and low lows have very much. 0:14:33.445 --> 0:14:36.765 Continued since then. To answer your question, I don't know 0:14:36.885 --> 0:14:40.445 how I handled it. I don't know. That was the 0:14:40.485 --> 0:14:41.485 path I was dealt. 0:14:41.845 --> 0:14:47.205 So I had to because Mum died so soon after 0:14:47.245 --> 0:14:51.445 the show. All of that media intensity in terms of, 0:14:51.525 --> 0:14:53.765 as you say, going on the radio shows and talking 0:14:53.845 --> 0:14:57.605 about the show and everything that was pulled back. Of course, 0:14:57.925 --> 0:15:01.565 Channel ten and the producers understood that that wasn't anyone's 0:15:01.605 --> 0:15:04.605 priority at that time, so I was very grateful for that. 0:15:04.685 --> 0:15:07.605 It wasn't I wasn't thrust into that as much as 0:15:07.645 --> 0:15:13.205 other people are after the shows, and then I certainly 0:15:13.285 --> 0:15:16.405 didn't put myself out there looking for new jobs and 0:15:16.725 --> 0:15:19.445 jumping for opportunities or anything, because I was dealing with 0:15:20.605 --> 0:15:22.885 the toughest period in my life and I didn't know 0:15:22.925 --> 0:15:26.645 how to deal with that, being rallying around my dad 0:15:26.685 --> 0:15:30.325 and my family, trying to deal with what life looks 0:15:30.365 --> 0:15:32.725 like now, as I was getting to know Lee and 0:15:33.085 --> 0:15:36.125 seeing what our relationship is going to look like too. 0:15:36.645 --> 0:15:38.685 So I think I have been I don't like the 0:15:38.725 --> 0:15:40.045 word luck. 0:15:40.325 --> 0:15:42.165 I was going to say, I think I've been lucky, 0:15:42.285 --> 0:15:46.525 but I think that's unfair when people use that word 0:15:46.565 --> 0:15:47.045 too much. 0:15:47.885 --> 0:15:48.885 Why do you say that? 0:15:49.045 --> 0:15:52.285 Because I think people work for what they've got. I 0:15:52.285 --> 0:15:54.965 think people can be fortunate. I think that's very different 0:15:55.005 --> 0:16:00.165 to luck. So I think I was fortunate that I've 0:16:00.325 --> 0:16:04.525 been able to go on since that time and still 0:16:04.525 --> 0:16:08.285 do my media work. But again, maybe that's not even fortune, 0:16:08.325 --> 0:16:12.005 and that was operation Yeah, and eight years of work 0:16:12.005 --> 0:16:14.325 in the media before I was on The Bachelorette two. 0:16:15.485 --> 0:16:18.165 I just tried to live my life and work out 0:16:18.165 --> 0:16:21.485 what that new life looked like throughout the end of 0:16:21.485 --> 0:16:25.845 twenty sixteen without thinking or worrying about anything else. And 0:16:25.925 --> 0:16:28.965 I suppose the fortune slash luck, whatever you want to 0:16:29.005 --> 0:16:34.845 call it, came from when I did start working again 0:16:35.165 --> 0:16:40.925 into twenty seventeen. My time out of the media wasn't 0:16:40.965 --> 0:16:43.685 looked at as time away. 0:16:43.405 --> 0:16:45.685 And that's probably something from working in the media so long. 0:16:45.725 --> 0:16:47.485 You know, you've got to hustle and got to work 0:16:47.525 --> 0:16:49.645 up that ladder. And that was a bit of a 0:16:49.645 --> 0:16:51.165 scary thing for me, even because you. 0:16:51.165 --> 0:16:54.725 Do think that that that opportunity knocking is not. 0:16:55.965 --> 0:16:58.125 I might not be there right, but that wasn't the 0:16:58.165 --> 0:17:01.085 priority at the time. My priority was my family and 0:17:01.445 --> 0:17:03.525 my own mental health. So I suppose that's what I 0:17:03.565 --> 0:17:07.205 mean about the fortune came from the fact that I 0:17:07.325 --> 0:17:10.045 don't feel like I lost any opportunity or you know, 0:17:10.365 --> 0:17:13.445 going away or underground for a certain amount of time 0:17:13.725 --> 0:17:16.205 didn't mean all the work I had done on my 0:17:16.285 --> 0:17:17.965 career beforehand went away. 0:17:18.485 --> 0:17:23.565 But when you say in twenty seventeen that that was 0:17:23.605 --> 0:17:28.765 when you first kind of came out of your seclusion, Yeah, 0:17:28.805 --> 0:17:32.485 relative seclusion. What was the opportunity that lured you out 0:17:32.605 --> 0:17:35.125 or what was the feeling where you were like, I'm 0:17:35.165 --> 0:17:36.045 ready to do this. 0:17:36.765 --> 0:17:38.965 The reason for that was because I love my job 0:17:39.045 --> 0:17:39.525 so much. 0:17:40.285 --> 0:17:44.445 I've only ever wanted to do journalism since I was thirteen, 0:17:44.525 --> 0:17:47.325 and I love it so much. I've loved every single 0:17:47.405 --> 0:17:51.285 day of my work in that industry. So I really 0:17:51.325 --> 0:17:54.005 missed it. I wanted to go back to work. I 0:17:54.045 --> 0:17:55.325 wanted to be doing that again. 0:17:55.765 --> 0:18:00.285 And I do think work is underestimated, oh big time. 0:18:00.965 --> 0:18:04.445 And in times of pain, work is a salvation. 0:18:04.965 --> 0:18:09.885 That is so true. Okay, that's exactly what feeling at 0:18:09.885 --> 0:18:14.845 the moment. Going through this separation is such a difficult time, emotionally, 0:18:15.245 --> 0:18:19.565 such a difficult time. I love my work so much. 0:18:19.765 --> 0:18:22.845 I love my job so much. I've got most beautiful colleagues. 0:18:23.365 --> 0:18:26.725 I know where I am to be every day. I 0:18:26.765 --> 0:18:29.125 know that I'm needed, i know that I'm value to there. 0:18:29.165 --> 0:18:30.365 What are you doing at the moment. 0:18:30.405 --> 0:18:35.285 I'm doing radio news for Gold Okay, Yeah, and I 0:18:35.365 --> 0:18:35.845 love it. 0:18:36.085 --> 0:18:40.085 And only someone who's in a certain degree of life 0:18:40.245 --> 0:18:42.645 pain could think that the news cycle. 0:18:45.765 --> 0:18:49.885 That shows I am actually a journal, but it is 0:18:50.445 --> 0:18:52.805 that's been such a salvation for me. 0:18:53.005 --> 0:18:53.845 And I know the. 0:18:53.805 --> 0:18:58.045 Difference as well, because there have been periods in my life, 0:18:58.045 --> 0:19:01.285 and you know, since Mum died in the last few years, 0:19:01.285 --> 0:19:03.885 I've had periods where I haven't had work as. 0:19:03.805 --> 0:19:06.845 A salvation and that has been horrible. 0:19:07.365 --> 0:19:11.925 Yeah, so I agree with you entirely that I think 0:19:11.965 --> 0:19:15.005 work can be underestimated as a source of joy and 0:19:15.125 --> 0:19:17.765 a source of routine is really good for the brain 0:19:17.805 --> 0:19:20.725 as well, especially when you're going through a tough time. 0:19:20.765 --> 0:19:23.605 To have something at least that is a foundation and 0:19:23.725 --> 0:19:26.445 is solid, because I feel like everything else in my 0:19:26.485 --> 0:19:29.645 life right now is not that, and everything is turning 0:19:29.765 --> 0:19:34.325 quickly and looking differently, and I don't know what the 0:19:34.365 --> 0:19:36.565 next year will look like, let alone the next five 0:19:36.645 --> 0:19:40.045 or ten. And having that consistency of work that I 0:19:40.085 --> 0:19:43.125 love and people around me that I love and are 0:19:43.485 --> 0:19:45.765 supportive has just been a godsend. 0:19:45.965 --> 0:19:50.525 It's like that conventional wisdom that you can if you've 0:19:50.565 --> 0:19:53.765 got you've got the three pillars. You know, your home, 0:19:54.845 --> 0:19:58.285 your love life, and your work, and you can operate 0:19:58.405 --> 0:20:02.405 with two of like one of them being a bit wobbly, 0:20:02.925 --> 0:20:05.525 but at the moment, aside from the work, you're kind 0:20:05.525 --> 0:20:06.365 of in flux. 0:20:06.605 --> 0:20:09.685 Yeah, I've certainly only got one that's a real at 0:20:09.685 --> 0:20:12.605 the moment, the other to a certainly wobbly. But having 0:20:12.765 --> 0:20:17.005 that one as such a strong feller is it adds 0:20:17.005 --> 0:20:24.445 a godsend. After this short break, Georgia Love reflects on 0:20:24.525 --> 0:20:29.165 her cancelation, what she's learnt from it, and how she 0:20:29.325 --> 0:20:30.125 moved forward. 0:20:30.725 --> 0:20:40.045 Don't go anywhere. If you look at the unimaginable but 0:20:40.245 --> 0:20:44.165 real loss of your mum along the way the slings 0:20:44.165 --> 0:20:49.085 and arrows of life, do you think the losses that 0:20:49.125 --> 0:20:52.925 you've incurred, do you think that all of that has 0:20:53.005 --> 0:20:58.885 led to perhaps the end of your marriage or this 0:20:59.045 --> 0:21:01.045 state of flux that you find yourself in now. 0:21:01.285 --> 0:21:03.365 I don't think any of it has led to it, 0:21:03.685 --> 0:21:07.445 but I do think there's a real compounding. 0:21:07.485 --> 0:21:09.285 Feeling of grief. 0:21:09.685 --> 0:21:12.005 Yeah, as you say, the loss of my mum, the 0:21:12.045 --> 0:21:16.085 loss of my job. I was. I hate the term canceled, 0:21:16.165 --> 0:21:18.925 but that's the term that people use a few years ago, 0:21:19.005 --> 0:21:20.245 and I lost my job after that. 0:21:20.965 --> 0:21:25.085 Why was this in twenty twenty one or was this 0:21:25.205 --> 0:21:28.005 the cat? Yes, picture the cat in the restaurant like 0:21:28.085 --> 0:21:31.725 this is so crazy to even say that is a sentence, 0:21:32.725 --> 0:21:34.645 but that lead to you losing your job? 0:21:34.885 --> 0:21:35.365 It did. 0:21:35.565 --> 0:21:39.765 I posted something on Instagram that I didn't realize on 0:21:39.965 --> 0:21:43.525 posting that would or could be taken as offensive. I 0:21:43.685 --> 0:21:46.805 was immediately called out on that and told that it 0:21:47.005 --> 0:21:51.085 was and was mortified. Immediately took it down and apologized. 0:21:51.125 --> 0:21:53.365 But I had upset and. 0:21:53.285 --> 0:21:55.565 Offended a lot of people in that And who were 0:21:55.645 --> 0:21:58.125 these people? Now, this is what I find very interesting 0:21:58.165 --> 0:22:02.045 about when you look at the pleathuare of people that 0:22:02.125 --> 0:22:05.445 come across our paths in public life. And it seems 0:22:05.485 --> 0:22:07.965 to me that some people are forgiven for things and 0:22:08.045 --> 0:22:14.725 some people are not. And what is it do you 0:22:14.885 --> 0:22:18.005 think that led to you not being forgiven? 0:22:19.125 --> 0:22:22.645 I think there were probably a lot of factors. It 0:22:22.725 --> 0:22:26.485 was during COVID, It was towards the end of COVID, 0:22:26.605 --> 0:22:33.205 and it was that time and all were as well, 0:22:33.245 --> 0:22:37.325 when both Melbourne and Sydney were in their longest lockdowns. 0:22:37.485 --> 0:22:42.045 At the time, everyone was chomping at the bit. Everyone 0:22:42.165 --> 0:22:45.525 was angry at the world and at each other and whatever. 0:22:45.245 --> 0:22:49.125 And online and so you know, it was Podcasts were 0:22:49.125 --> 0:22:51.045 going through the roof, and social media was going through 0:22:51.045 --> 0:22:54.405 the roof because people's only access to the world was 0:22:54.405 --> 0:22:56.565 through that, so everything was amplified, and it was. 0:22:56.525 --> 0:22:58.965 The only These were the only kind of things that 0:22:58.965 --> 0:23:01.685 were happening that weren't COVID related. There was no news 0:23:01.765 --> 0:23:05.605 that wasn't about cod course, so everything else was amplified 0:23:05.645 --> 0:23:08.845 because that's what was happening. So I do think that 0:23:09.045 --> 0:23:13.045 was part of the reason it became as big as 0:23:13.085 --> 0:23:15.725 it did. That doesn't take away from the fact that 0:23:15.805 --> 0:23:17.405 I said something that offended people. 0:23:17.565 --> 0:23:19.685 It's certainly no excuse for that. 0:23:19.925 --> 0:23:22.525 I do think that's a part of why it became 0:23:22.725 --> 0:23:25.285 as big and as well known as it did at 0:23:25.325 --> 0:23:28.925 the time. I also think that there is an element 0:23:29.205 --> 0:23:33.965 of because I was a journalist, I should have known better, 0:23:34.565 --> 0:23:38.365 and because I was a former reality TV person, it's 0:23:38.685 --> 0:23:42.525 easy and fun to put them down, right, it's not 0:23:42.605 --> 0:23:44.685 easy and fun to put them down, but that's right 0:23:44.805 --> 0:23:45.685 people with an. 0:23:45.605 --> 0:23:46.845 Element of sport to. 0:23:46.805 --> 0:23:50.965 It, because it's almost like because I do think in 0:23:51.045 --> 0:23:53.685 cases like that that sometimes it comes from within. 0:23:54.445 --> 0:24:00.925 The biggest commentary from people you know, openly and loudly publicly, 0:24:01.725 --> 0:24:04.765 from people that I don't and didn't associate with. 0:24:05.725 --> 0:24:06.085 People. 0:24:06.285 --> 0:24:10.485 What do you mean, like professional people or ordinate ordinary 0:24:10.525 --> 0:24:11.525 boot both. 0:24:11.605 --> 0:24:14.605 But you know, there were a number of people who 0:24:15.125 --> 0:24:18.485 wrote public opinion pieces and open letters and used me 0:24:18.485 --> 0:24:22.965 as an example of the worst type of racism and 0:24:23.605 --> 0:24:25.925 the worst of the worst that there is. And these 0:24:25.965 --> 0:24:29.085 were people who didn't say anything to me. They didn't 0:24:29.125 --> 0:24:32.445 reach out to me to say, this is why I 0:24:32.485 --> 0:24:33.685 believe what you said was wrong. 0:24:34.045 --> 0:24:35.245 I hope you learn from this. 0:24:35.965 --> 0:24:38.405 The people that came out and spoke about that publicly 0:24:38.445 --> 0:24:41.005 in a negative way never reached out to me personally, 0:24:41.405 --> 0:24:44.325 and I've I've got a real issue with that because 0:24:44.365 --> 0:24:47.605 I think, what's the point of calling someone out and 0:24:47.725 --> 0:24:51.565 this public vitriol against them if you're not having the 0:24:51.605 --> 0:24:56.085 conversations with them, if you're saying what anyone has said 0:24:56.205 --> 0:24:59.045 is wrong, then they need to learn from that. 0:24:59.605 --> 0:25:01.365 So you need to be talking to them about it. 0:25:01.805 --> 0:25:04.365 But also there needs to be some sort of perspective, 0:25:05.405 --> 0:25:08.365 which and that's why a lot of the time, perspective 0:25:08.485 --> 0:25:09.925 wasn't around. 0:25:09.965 --> 0:25:11.285 I don't even know if it is now. 0:25:11.645 --> 0:25:14.365 But I also think that people are in a period 0:25:14.405 --> 0:25:19.125 of disconnection from themselves. We live in a time we 0:25:19.245 --> 0:25:21.965 have had to put the you know, the cross the 0:25:22.005 --> 0:25:26.845 street lights on the pavement, and I myself am in 0:25:26.885 --> 0:25:29.965 the grip of the you know, it's a it's a 0:25:29.965 --> 0:25:33.485 proper thing. And as people feel that they're connected, they're 0:25:33.565 --> 0:25:39.165 actually increasingly disconnected in that situation. And I work in 0:25:39.205 --> 0:25:40.925 the media, as you know, and there are times when 0:25:40.965 --> 0:25:43.805 you get blowback on stuff and you reflect yourself, like 0:25:43.885 --> 0:25:46.405 what role did I play in this? You always have 0:25:46.485 --> 0:25:49.325 to do this in a relationship, in a friendship whatever. 0:25:50.965 --> 0:25:51.205 I mean. 0:25:51.245 --> 0:25:54.325 I'm not you, obviously, but I can't see it for you. 0:25:54.485 --> 0:25:56.685 I can't see what it is about you. 0:25:57.165 --> 0:25:58.365 I don't know. I don't know. 0:25:58.485 --> 0:26:04.285 I seem to be easy to dislike. I guess I 0:26:04.485 --> 0:26:08.005 don't think I'm unlikable. It maybe feels like it's almost 0:26:08.045 --> 0:26:12.645 the opposite. I think I've been nice and I've been kind, 0:26:12.685 --> 0:26:15.005 and I've kind of kept my head down and just 0:26:15.045 --> 0:26:17.845 done my work and enjoyed that and enjoyed my life. 0:26:17.965 --> 0:26:19.885 And maybe that's. 0:26:19.685 --> 0:26:23.165 The reason people go, oh, there's something, there's something there. 0:26:23.725 --> 0:26:26.245 You know, there are people too good to be true, 0:26:26.765 --> 0:26:29.685 almost like you know, it's too nice, it must be 0:26:29.725 --> 0:26:32.845 something got to rip it down. There are people who 0:26:34.085 --> 0:26:37.685 say and do things that you know are wrong or 0:26:37.685 --> 0:26:40.565 are taken in the wrong way. They're people who are 0:26:40.645 --> 0:26:46.085 always outspoken, so it's almost like the pushback and the 0:26:46.205 --> 0:26:49.725 strength that comes from them sharing their opinions so often 0:26:50.245 --> 0:26:53.005 means they can say the wrong thing and go, Okay, 0:26:53.005 --> 0:26:54.685 I acknowledge that was the wrong thing, but we'll move 0:26:54.685 --> 0:26:57.365 on and no one cares. But because and probably because 0:26:57.405 --> 0:27:00.885 I've always worked in news, I don't talk about my opinions. 0:27:00.925 --> 0:27:05.565 I don't strogers and userider has to. Yeah, I'm high 0:27:06.085 --> 0:27:09.005 neutrality to it. I'm strong in my personality. 0:27:09.045 --> 0:27:11.965 But I've never been someone that's, you know, had one 0:27:12.005 --> 0:27:14.165 of those podcasts where you sit there and talk about 0:27:14.205 --> 0:27:16.525 your opinion on what's happened on the news this week 0:27:16.605 --> 0:27:18.725 or what someone has said on social media. 0:27:18.885 --> 0:27:22.005 So maybe is there a part of you now that thinks, 0:27:22.005 --> 0:27:24.845 oh fuck it, I may as well, or are you just. 0:27:24.805 --> 0:27:25.845 Not wired that way. 0:27:26.085 --> 0:27:28.525 I'm not wired that way, I think from being in 0:27:28.605 --> 0:27:33.405 news forever. But if anything, that period has made me 0:27:33.685 --> 0:27:38.685 more guarded, not guarded about what I say, really guarded 0:27:39.005 --> 0:27:39.765 in myself. 0:27:40.205 --> 0:27:43.685 Put a lot of walls up from that. 0:27:43.725 --> 0:27:49.205 That period really damaged me and really has changed me 0:27:49.485 --> 0:27:54.485 as a person. Not my nature or my core, but 0:27:55.725 --> 0:27:58.485 the way I react to things or where my mind 0:27:58.845 --> 0:28:02.045 jumps to. You know, still to this day, if or 0:28:02.045 --> 0:28:04.765 when my boss calls me, my heart sinks and I go, 0:28:04.845 --> 0:28:05.805 oh God, what's happened. 0:28:06.205 --> 0:28:09.765 What's happened? I can't shake that. 0:28:09.845 --> 0:28:12.845 And you know, I've done work and I've moved on 0:28:12.965 --> 0:28:14.805 from that period in my life. But it really has 0:28:14.925 --> 0:28:20.405 changed me. It made me probably go inwards a lot 0:28:20.445 --> 0:28:25.805 more and be a bit more independent in myself because 0:28:26.925 --> 0:28:30.805 it's probably taught me that you can only rely on 0:28:30.885 --> 0:28:33.645 yourself everything you do and say you're the one that's 0:28:33.685 --> 0:28:38.325 accountable for And yeah, it's probably made me go within 0:28:38.965 --> 0:28:42.125 a bit more. And then even shortly after that time, 0:28:42.965 --> 0:28:47.205 I had a really bad friendship breakup, which I think 0:28:47.245 --> 0:28:52.805 that people don't place enough emphasis on how heartbreaking they 0:28:52.885 --> 0:28:57.445 can be. Yes, and that compounding on top of losing 0:28:57.445 --> 0:29:00.525 my job as well, kind of all within the space 0:29:00.565 --> 0:29:01.765 of about six months. 0:29:02.845 --> 0:29:06.885 Yeah, it kind of really changed to my So this friendship, 0:29:07.485 --> 0:29:09.245 what was the nature of this friendship? 0:29:09.765 --> 0:29:14.565 Seventeen years of best friends, very very close, the person 0:29:14.605 --> 0:29:17.845 that was literally sitting in the hotel room the second 0:29:17.965 --> 0:29:23.525 I finished filming Bachelorette there with open arms, and that 0:29:23.725 --> 0:29:26.965 friendship fell apart for reasons I still don't understand and 0:29:27.045 --> 0:29:29.445 have come to terms with the fact that I won't. 0:29:29.965 --> 0:29:33.085 But that was really traumatic, and I think people don't 0:29:33.765 --> 0:29:36.165 think about that. People think about the loss of romantic 0:29:36.245 --> 0:29:41.165 relationships and realize that for someone else. If you're going 0:29:41.245 --> 0:29:46.645 through a separation or you've been dumped or you've been divorced, 0:29:47.485 --> 0:29:52.485 people sympathize with that more. But I think friendship breakups 0:29:52.485 --> 0:29:54.485 aren't given gravity. 0:29:54.565 --> 0:29:55.125 That they aren't. 0:29:55.125 --> 0:30:01.165 They are devastating. That was a real grief for me 0:30:01.365 --> 0:30:07.165 and remains that way. But life changes, relationships change, people change, 0:30:07.205 --> 0:30:09.685 and this is what I'm learning more more. 0:30:10.565 --> 0:30:11.645 Can you give me your hand? 0:30:11.765 --> 0:30:17.285 Yeah, Oh, oh my goodness. 0:30:17.045 --> 0:30:20.445 Oh my goodness. People go through so much worse, people 0:30:20.445 --> 0:30:21.325 go through so much. 0:30:21.365 --> 0:30:23.925 It doesn't it doesn't. They're not in the room with us. Now, 0:30:24.165 --> 0:30:25.805 do you know what I mean? You don't have to 0:30:26.125 --> 0:30:29.365 have everything bad happen to you in the world for 0:30:29.485 --> 0:30:31.925 what's happening to you to not be bad. 0:30:32.965 --> 0:30:34.165 Yeah, do you know what I mean? 0:30:34.205 --> 0:30:39.805 And you've had You've had a lot in a quite 0:30:40.765 --> 0:30:42.405 compressed period of time. 0:30:42.885 --> 0:30:43.085 Yeah. 0:30:44.045 --> 0:30:45.765 I do laugh about the fact that I had a 0:30:45.885 --> 0:30:50.725 very very, very easy and wonderful and privileged twenty seven years, right. 0:30:50.805 --> 0:30:53.965 I feel like someone or something up above went, oh shit, 0:30:54.045 --> 0:30:54.725 we forgot. 0:30:54.445 --> 0:30:56.125 To give any bad things to Georgia. 0:30:56.085 --> 0:30:59.485 Just because it is like that, is it that seven 0:30:59.565 --> 0:31:02.845 year cycle? But hang on, I know that's a nine 0:31:02.885 --> 0:31:04.405 year cycle three twenty seven. 0:31:04.445 --> 0:31:04.965 Well, there we go. 0:31:05.045 --> 0:31:07.485 That makes sense because it's nine years this time and 0:31:07.925 --> 0:31:10.525 Lee and I have just split, so there's it's the nineties. 0:31:10.765 --> 0:31:11.005 Wow. 0:31:11.205 --> 0:31:14.885 But also I think that I mean, I'm not a shrink, 0:31:15.605 --> 0:31:18.525 but we know a lot more now about trauma and 0:31:18.525 --> 0:31:21.445 we recognize it in ourselves and loss and you know, 0:31:21.645 --> 0:31:28.485 PTSDN to a certain extent, these terms are almost by 0:31:28.605 --> 0:31:31.725 being bandied about, but I don't think in your case 0:31:31.845 --> 0:31:37.685 that they are. So what processing have you even you're 0:31:37.685 --> 0:31:41.605 talking about losing your girlfriend and I've had and most 0:31:41.645 --> 0:31:43.045 of our listeners will have had. 0:31:44.565 --> 0:31:45.685 Some experience of that. 0:31:46.125 --> 0:31:50.605 It is so it is down to the bedrock of 0:31:50.645 --> 0:31:54.925 your soul, because as you said, there's a lot of 0:31:54.925 --> 0:31:58.045 respect paid for if people have lost a romantic love 0:31:58.205 --> 0:32:01.605 or even a parent or a relative or whatever. But 0:32:02.125 --> 0:32:05.925 what's not factored into the loss of a true friend 0:32:06.685 --> 0:32:10.325 is that you have opened yourself to them in ways 0:32:10.365 --> 0:32:12.685 that you never do to your parent or even to 0:32:12.765 --> 0:32:13.365 a partner. 0:32:13.605 --> 0:32:14.005 That's it. 0:32:14.085 --> 0:32:15.765 And there's also the side of it as well that 0:32:15.925 --> 0:32:22.405 with a romantic relationship, if you are monogamous, then that 0:32:22.565 --> 0:32:25.245 is the one person you're choosing to be with. So 0:32:26.525 --> 0:32:29.525 it does get to a point for many people that 0:32:30.165 --> 0:32:33.965 for whatever reason, that's the person that isn't going to 0:32:34.005 --> 0:32:37.125 be your one person that you're in a romantic relationship with. 0:32:37.565 --> 0:32:39.685 But friendships you can have as many as you want, 0:32:40.525 --> 0:32:45.685 So a friendship breakup or friendship loss cuts really deep 0:32:45.765 --> 0:32:48.805 because you kind of go, well, you can have as 0:32:48.845 --> 0:32:51.245 many as you want, so to choose not to have 0:32:51.365 --> 0:32:53.925 someone anymore feels like more of a choice. 0:32:54.525 --> 0:32:57.765 Oh, yes, you know what I mean. I do think that. 0:32:59.245 --> 0:33:04.325 It's a painful tiara to be crowned with. But some people, 0:33:05.805 --> 0:33:12.205 I respect you for show yourself and showing your loss 0:33:12.285 --> 0:33:15.765 and showing your pain. And I don't mean that in 0:33:15.805 --> 0:33:19.045 a victimy kind of way. These are just these are. 0:33:18.925 --> 0:33:21.725 Just things that have happened, things that have happened, and 0:33:21.765 --> 0:33:25.885 I think the kind of look at those three losses, 0:33:25.925 --> 0:33:29.725 let's call it that mum, my job, and my friend. 0:33:30.445 --> 0:33:33.765 The grief of those things has been very different, of course, 0:33:34.125 --> 0:33:38.285 but has really compounded, but they've all been things that 0:33:38.325 --> 0:33:43.245 have happened that I haven't expected or I haven't really 0:33:43.325 --> 0:33:46.365 had a conscious choice. In of course, I had no 0:33:46.605 --> 0:33:47.605 say over whether. 0:33:47.445 --> 0:33:48.245 Mum died or not. 0:33:48.405 --> 0:33:52.725 I didn't expect to lose my job. I didn't expect 0:33:52.725 --> 0:33:58.205 to lose this friend. So with Lee and I separating, 0:33:59.205 --> 0:34:04.805 one of the hardest parts of that has been choosing 0:34:05.205 --> 0:34:07.925 to enter into a period of loss and grief again 0:34:08.485 --> 0:34:14.965 right because I'm so tired, and it was very, very hard. 0:34:15.525 --> 0:34:17.085 At the end of last year, there was a lot 0:34:17.085 --> 0:34:21.285 of speculation around whether we had split. You know, we'll 0:34:21.365 --> 0:34:25.205 being followed a bit to see if we were seen together. 0:34:24.965 --> 0:34:27.245 Or whether we were wearing our wedding rings or anything. 0:34:27.285 --> 0:34:30.405 And I understand that that's part of being in the 0:34:30.445 --> 0:34:33.565 public eye, especially because we met in a public way. 0:34:33.845 --> 0:34:37.565 I do understand that, so I don't begrudge that, but 0:34:37.605 --> 0:34:39.885 it was very very hard while I was trying to 0:34:39.885 --> 0:34:44.245 come to terms with what was happening. Because Lee and 0:34:44.285 --> 0:34:47.325 I have made this decision together doesn't mean it makes 0:34:47.365 --> 0:34:47.885 me happy. 0:34:48.365 --> 0:34:48.965 It doesn't. 0:34:49.205 --> 0:34:53.365 I'm really really sad about it, and trying to process 0:34:53.445 --> 0:34:56.165 that myself. 0:34:57.725 --> 0:34:58.485 Was hard enough. 0:34:59.645 --> 0:35:02.725 Deciding to or knowing when was the right time to 0:35:03.845 --> 0:35:05.885 put it out there publicly, which. 0:35:07.085 --> 0:35:08.285 No one should have to. 0:35:08.325 --> 0:35:10.565 And no, we didn't have too, but we felt like 0:35:10.685 --> 0:35:12.285 that was the right thing to do. 0:35:13.845 --> 0:35:17.245 But that's not a reason to stay in something either. 0:35:17.885 --> 0:35:20.245 I was having this conversation with a girlfriend of mine 0:35:21.085 --> 0:35:25.325 only last week, and she lost her dad when he 0:35:25.405 --> 0:35:29.405 was six when she was sixteen, and she's just had 0:35:29.645 --> 0:35:32.765 a lot of grief in her life. And she's one 0:35:32.765 --> 0:35:35.565 of these really brave people who, when she sees it 0:35:35.605 --> 0:35:38.685 in other people, runs towards it to be of assistance. 0:35:39.645 --> 0:35:43.685 But she said a similar thing. She said she now 0:35:44.005 --> 0:35:46.925 realizes she needs and she's had therapy and whatever, and 0:35:46.925 --> 0:35:49.525 she works as a counselor to other grieving. 0:35:49.365 --> 0:35:51.405 Wow, amazing people. 0:35:51.485 --> 0:35:58.165 But she's realized herself now that as you travel through life, 0:35:58.325 --> 0:36:00.885 more bad things are going to happen. That's it, and there's 0:36:00.885 --> 0:36:02.885 going to be more grief and more loss. And she said, 0:36:03.765 --> 0:36:07.965 I can't. I can't take it. I can't take it. 0:36:09.485 --> 0:36:14.205 So now she's gone looking for, you know, a deep 0:36:14.285 --> 0:36:17.405 dive to work out how she can take it. 0:36:17.685 --> 0:36:20.925 Yeah, because that's the thing too, that's what I have felt. 0:36:21.925 --> 0:36:25.445 But you do because you have to, because that's life. 0:36:25.645 --> 0:36:28.405 You say, you're going to go through bad things, some 0:36:29.645 --> 0:36:31.805 that you know you're going to go through, some that 0:36:31.845 --> 0:36:32.805 come unexpectedly. 0:36:33.005 --> 0:36:34.005 Yes, a lot. 0:36:33.845 --> 0:36:35.965 Of people say to me, you know, how did you 0:36:36.005 --> 0:36:38.365 get through that period, or how did you do that? 0:36:38.525 --> 0:36:41.125 You shouldn't do it. People will always say that I 0:36:41.165 --> 0:36:43.565 couldn't do it. Yes, you could. You have to, You 0:36:43.645 --> 0:36:46.485 have to. That's the cards that life has dealt. 0:36:50.005 --> 0:36:53.405 That's not all of my conversation with Georgia. Up next, 0:36:53.445 --> 0:36:56.565 we talk about how she started the process of healing 0:36:57.205 --> 0:37:01.885 after her split and the magical powers of friendship. 0:37:07.125 --> 0:37:09.885 What do you do? So you went overseas? 0:37:10.205 --> 0:37:13.245 Yeah, I did so, and that trip had always been planned. 0:37:13.285 --> 0:37:16.045 So one of my best friends in the world, who 0:37:16.045 --> 0:37:17.645 I met on the school bus when we were. 0:37:17.565 --> 0:37:21.165 Fifteen, he moved to New York a. 0:37:21.165 --> 0:37:25.405 Year ago, so I handed and he loves musical theater 0:37:25.485 --> 0:37:26.565 as well, so perfect. 0:37:26.605 --> 0:37:29.645 We spent the whole time on Broadway. I had always 0:37:29.645 --> 0:37:31.845 planned to go there. It was going to be my 0:37:32.005 --> 0:37:35.525 first Christmas and New Year period without him, which sounds 0:37:35.565 --> 0:37:37.765 like such a funny thing, but he was very much 0:37:37.805 --> 0:37:40.565 part of my family as well, so I had always 0:37:40.605 --> 0:37:42.405 planned to go and spend that time with him in 0:37:42.445 --> 0:37:42.885 New York. 0:37:43.325 --> 0:37:45.525 Anyway, the timing. 0:37:45.205 --> 0:37:49.965 Just ended up being even more perfect than I realized 0:37:50.005 --> 0:37:53.085 it would be when it was boring, because I went 0:37:53.165 --> 0:37:56.605 over there and spent that time with Aba, my friend, 0:37:56.845 --> 0:38:01.005 and it was amazing taking. 0:38:00.645 --> 0:38:02.765 Myself out of that bubble. 0:38:04.005 --> 0:38:06.885 When you're going through something, no matter what it is, 0:38:08.605 --> 0:38:12.125 it can feel like it is everything. It's taking over 0:38:12.165 --> 0:38:15.245 your life, it's taking over your world, and it's very 0:38:15.285 --> 0:38:18.565 easy to think that other people are all looking at 0:38:18.565 --> 0:38:21.845 you thinking that thing too. But stepping outside of that, 0:38:21.885 --> 0:38:26.565 you realize that isn't everything for everyone else, and even yourself. 0:38:26.845 --> 0:38:31.965 Me physically removing myself from the you know where I 0:38:32.045 --> 0:38:35.325 live and seeing people every day that are asking about 0:38:35.325 --> 0:38:36.165 the relationship and have. 0:38:36.205 --> 0:38:39.405 Any anonymity of being in New York, that's it I was. 0:38:39.725 --> 0:38:42.885 I was meeting people as Arba's friend. You know, no 0:38:42.965 --> 0:38:46.365 one knew or cared had context you, and it was 0:38:46.605 --> 0:38:50.525 very freeing and it was It gave me a lot 0:38:50.565 --> 0:38:54.365 of strength and realizing that I am not just Georgia 0:38:54.405 --> 0:38:56.845 Love who was on the Bachelorette. I've never thought that 0:38:56.925 --> 0:39:00.765 about myself. I'm very strong willed and I have a 0:39:00.765 --> 0:39:05.165 strong belief in myself. But it was also very easy 0:39:05.205 --> 0:39:09.205 to fall into feeling like, well, if I'm not that, 0:39:09.405 --> 0:39:11.885 if I'm no longer with that person, will I have 0:39:11.965 --> 0:39:16.725 disappointed people? And of course I'm meeting people that don't 0:39:16.765 --> 0:39:19.325 know anything about that and don't care anything about that, 0:39:20.005 --> 0:39:22.965 and of course that's not a big deal to anyone. 0:39:23.165 --> 0:39:27.965 I think it made me realize I wasn't I haven't failed, 0:39:29.085 --> 0:39:34.645 I don't le and I's marriage didn't fail. It's ended, 0:39:35.005 --> 0:39:37.525 that doesn't mean it's failed. And I think a lot 0:39:37.565 --> 0:39:40.965 of me stepping out of being in the depths of that, 0:39:41.765 --> 0:39:44.885 stepping out of that and spending time with other people, 0:39:46.125 --> 0:39:48.125 not having that be the thing on the front of 0:39:48.165 --> 0:39:51.125 my mind and the thing that everyone is asking about, and. 0:39:51.045 --> 0:39:55.445 You're identifying like you have a brand on your forehead, 0:39:55.685 --> 0:39:57.165 and of course I don't know, I'm not. 0:39:57.365 --> 0:40:00.565 You know, people aren't looking at me and going, oh, 0:40:00.645 --> 0:40:02.885 that's the girl that was on the Bachelorette nine years ago. 0:40:02.925 --> 0:40:06.485 That's not a thing. But it was even in my friendships, 0:40:06.525 --> 0:40:11.845 I really withdrew in myself a lot because I didn't. 0:40:12.565 --> 0:40:17.245 It's so exhausting going through these emotions yourself, let alone, 0:40:17.285 --> 0:40:20.245 then sitting down and always talking about it. But the 0:40:20.285 --> 0:40:24.445 timing of it New York in the end and ended 0:40:24.525 --> 0:40:29.205 up being perfect. What did you see, by the way, 0:40:29.365 --> 0:40:32.285 I saw Hamilton obviously my favorite of all times. 0:40:32.965 --> 0:40:39.525 Sunset Boulevard with Nicole Scherzinger, oh mind, pussy Cat John 0:40:40.205 --> 0:40:43.085 playing She was incredible. 0:40:43.805 --> 0:40:48.125 The Tony Awards so Audra McDonald and Gypsy also amazing. 0:40:48.645 --> 0:40:52.205 I saw Awful One, which was only on for a 0:40:52.245 --> 0:40:57.285 short time, but it was famous Broadway people reading short plays. 0:40:57.925 --> 0:41:02.605 It was amazing. I saw Titanic, which the beautiful Calum Francis. 0:41:02.645 --> 0:41:04.845 So did you see Kinky Boots when it was in Australia? 0:41:05.045 --> 0:41:05.365 No? 0:41:05.405 --> 0:41:08.525 Not so the leading Kinky Boots is over there. Amazing. 0:41:08.925 --> 0:41:12.405 I saw or a show called Teeth maybe happy ending 0:41:12.445 --> 0:41:17.045 and the Outsiders and you, well. 0:41:16.885 --> 0:41:18.285 You know what is interesting about you? 0:41:18.365 --> 0:41:22.245 Because you've got yourself kind of musical theater energy. 0:41:22.525 --> 0:41:22.965 Do you know what? 0:41:23.205 --> 0:41:25.565 Yeah, you come in like you could play the lead 0:41:25.605 --> 0:41:26.405 in Oklahoma. 0:41:26.565 --> 0:41:29.445 Do you know what you may peep in your step? 0:41:29.925 --> 0:41:31.565 I've always said I have. 0:41:31.885 --> 0:41:35.045 No one can ever doubt the enthusiasm and passion I 0:41:35.085 --> 0:41:36.125 have for musical theater. 0:41:36.285 --> 0:41:40.805 Unfortunately I can't not met with Dallas. I'm the same, 0:41:41.045 --> 0:41:41.885 I mean, I love. 0:41:41.765 --> 0:41:44.325 Me musical or maybe we can just we can do 0:41:44.405 --> 0:41:45.925 some Karryoke together one but. 0:41:47.485 --> 0:41:51.885 That's a very therapeutic thing to do. It is escapism. 0:41:52.005 --> 0:41:54.645 And also most musicals also have a point at which 0:41:54.685 --> 0:41:57.005 you cry, oh God, yeah, oh God. 0:41:57.165 --> 0:41:58.885 Yes, So all of that is very good. 0:41:59.685 --> 0:42:01.965 It was, and I saw some of them by myself 0:42:02.005 --> 0:42:04.045 when you know, I was at work some days and 0:42:04.845 --> 0:42:08.125 you were just so bang up for absolutely, because I 0:42:08.125 --> 0:42:09.525 was there for two and a half weeks, so he 0:42:09.525 --> 0:42:11.005 had to go back to work at some point. 0:42:11.085 --> 0:42:12.165 But it's New. 0:42:12.125 --> 0:42:15.725 York and it was snowing and it was so great. 0:42:15.805 --> 0:42:18.365 It was such a good time. And even that spending 0:42:18.445 --> 0:42:21.605 days just walking by myself, deciding to go to a 0:42:21.645 --> 0:42:23.045 show by myself. 0:42:22.605 --> 0:42:24.165 And seeing different things. 0:42:23.925 --> 0:42:28.525 And realizing I can go through life on my own. 0:42:28.565 --> 0:42:31.085 I've never thought that I can't. I have never been 0:42:31.125 --> 0:42:34.205 someone that has thought I need a partner, but being 0:42:34.245 --> 0:42:36.765 in the depths of but it went on the Bachelorette. 0:42:37.205 --> 0:42:40.765 No because I wanted a partner. I'm very staunch. I 0:42:40.765 --> 0:42:43.725 don't think anyone needs a partner. I never felt I 0:42:43.845 --> 0:42:46.605 needed one. When I went on the Bachelorette. I was 0:42:46.645 --> 0:42:48.525 at a point in my life where Mum had just 0:42:48.565 --> 0:42:50.605 been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. 0:42:50.725 --> 0:42:51.525 That changed my. 0:42:53.005 --> 0:42:57.485 Perspective on everything. I'd always moved around for jobs because 0:42:57.965 --> 0:43:01.645 my job came first, My career came first, and relationships 0:43:01.765 --> 0:43:05.005 had inevitably fallen apart because of that because I was 0:43:05.485 --> 0:43:09.885 up and leaving and going into state numerous times. So 0:43:09.925 --> 0:43:12.885 when Mum was diagnosed, that really changed that perspective. 0:43:12.965 --> 0:43:14.605 I kind of went, well, who do I have? 0:43:15.845 --> 0:43:19.965 What do I have as my support if the worst happens. 0:43:20.205 --> 0:43:22.565 I also looked at Mum and Dad and their relationship, 0:43:22.645 --> 0:43:27.205 and Mum going through that and having Dad there made 0:43:27.245 --> 0:43:28.045 me look at that and. 0:43:27.965 --> 0:43:30.605 Go, oh, that it is. It is pretty. 0:43:30.325 --> 0:43:34.245 Important to have support and love if you can find it. 0:43:34.285 --> 0:43:37.885 So that's pretty important, it is, George, I do have 0:43:37.965 --> 0:43:40.565 support and love around me. Of course it doesn't have 0:43:40.645 --> 0:43:43.245 such a siting is still. I mean to give credit 0:43:43.325 --> 0:43:46.885 to Lee, not that you're not giving always will, but 0:43:47.405 --> 0:43:54.245 what an extraordinary man to fall in love with you 0:43:54.725 --> 0:44:00.245 and then to shoulder your burdens with you. That came 0:44:00.365 --> 0:44:04.125 so rapidly and unexpected. In with young love, you don't. 0:44:03.925 --> 0:44:06.245 Normally expect that you're going to fall in love with 0:44:06.285 --> 0:44:10.165 a girl who's in the process of saying goodbye to 0:44:10.205 --> 0:44:10.645 her mum. 0:44:10.925 --> 0:44:13.445 All of those things are so hard on him. He 0:44:13.685 --> 0:44:18.485 has been an amazing support through those times. He's been 0:44:18.645 --> 0:44:21.925 very supportive of me through all those stages. And I 0:44:21.965 --> 0:44:26.285 don't think people give the partners of someone going through 0:44:26.445 --> 0:44:31.205 quote unquote something the time and respect. 0:44:30.845 --> 0:44:31.925 That they need as well. 0:44:32.005 --> 0:44:35.325 Because people were rallying around me when Mum had died, 0:44:36.005 --> 0:44:37.685 but he was shouldering that too. 0:44:37.885 --> 0:44:39.965 That was difficult on him too. He didn't know how 0:44:40.005 --> 0:44:40.685 to deal with it. 0:44:41.925 --> 0:44:45.285 When I lost my job and felt like public enemy 0:44:45.365 --> 0:44:48.445 number one for a long time. That was difficult for 0:44:48.525 --> 0:44:53.725 him because I was in the depths of that sounds 0:44:53.725 --> 0:44:57.365 so dramatic, depths of despair, but I was very not 0:44:57.965 --> 0:45:01.885 well mentally for quite some time, and he's trying to 0:45:02.605 --> 0:45:04.725 pick me up through that too, and that of course 0:45:04.765 --> 0:45:05.885 affected his life. 0:45:06.605 --> 0:45:09.205 You know, people go through. 0:45:10.805 --> 0:45:14.885 Things at different stages of their lives. We have both 0:45:15.005 --> 0:45:19.045 and each gone through big things in our nine years together, 0:45:19.405 --> 0:45:25.245 and things that inevitably have changed us as people. And 0:45:25.325 --> 0:45:28.925 some of those things we have grown together through and 0:45:29.525 --> 0:45:34.365 other parts we've sadly grown apart, probably due to those 0:45:34.485 --> 0:45:39.205 changes in who we are as people because of the situations. 0:45:38.605 --> 0:45:43.485 Well, pressure makes diamonds, and pressure can also cleave a 0:45:43.565 --> 0:45:45.165 mountain into Yeah. 0:45:45.245 --> 0:45:46.005 Yeah, that's it. 0:45:46.405 --> 0:45:50.885 And we've been through so much in nine years, good 0:45:50.925 --> 0:46:01.045 and bad, and unfortunately the relationship has ended in terms 0:46:01.045 --> 0:46:06.845 of being each other's romantic partner. But we have weathered 0:46:06.845 --> 0:46:10.445 a lot together and have a deep, deep love and 0:46:10.525 --> 0:46:13.285 respect for each other, and I truly hope we always will. 0:46:14.125 --> 0:46:16.125 I think we always will, but I hope we always will. 0:46:16.645 --> 0:46:17.285 I think in a. 0:46:19.085 --> 0:46:23.165 Breakup after a long period of time, which I've also had, 0:46:27.125 --> 0:46:32.365 you almost if there's deep love there have to help 0:46:32.405 --> 0:46:40.245 each other navigate through it, which is so painful. But 0:46:40.605 --> 0:46:44.725 it's a measure of the it's a measure of the connection. 0:46:44.925 --> 0:46:45.285 That's it. 0:46:45.405 --> 0:46:48.725 Because I don't know, I've never had to go through 0:46:48.725 --> 0:46:54.205 a really hard period without him, yes, which I probably 0:46:54.285 --> 0:46:56.805 never thought about that really until just then. 0:46:57.405 --> 0:46:57.885 I haven't. 0:46:57.925 --> 0:46:59.965 The first bad thing that ever happened to me was 0:47:00.005 --> 0:47:01.645 losing my mum. 0:47:01.685 --> 0:47:08.005 So give me a hand, oh my darling. Yeah, And 0:47:08.045 --> 0:47:10.165 I think that's a really hard part of this as well. 0:47:11.805 --> 0:47:13.725 We are helping each other through it as much as 0:47:13.725 --> 0:47:19.085 we can, but realistically there's obviously parts of it we 0:47:19.205 --> 0:47:19.805 can't either. 0:47:22.165 --> 0:47:25.485 Yeah, it's hard. I've just never I never expected to 0:47:25.565 --> 0:47:26.845 be here. 0:47:28.365 --> 0:47:29.725 I mean, if you always try to look for the 0:47:29.805 --> 0:47:34.405 lesson in something, which is sometimes an exercise in tedium 0:47:34.645 --> 0:47:40.685 or listening to people do it on podcasts, But if 0:47:40.725 --> 0:47:45.525 there is something that you have learned through you know, 0:47:45.605 --> 0:47:51.485 the battering of life, and like you said, there's worse batterings, 0:47:51.525 --> 0:47:52.445 but it's battering. 0:47:52.565 --> 0:47:53.885 It's absolutely battering. 0:47:53.965 --> 0:47:59.645 You don't have to be qualifying what you have suffered 0:47:59.685 --> 0:48:03.445 and what you have lost. 0:48:02.205 --> 0:48:06.125 What have you learned about grief? 0:48:07.045 --> 0:48:09.725 Well, that everyone faces it, that there are so many 0:48:09.805 --> 0:48:12.765 different levels of it and facets of it. 0:48:12.965 --> 0:48:17.805 I think we use the word grief to talk about 0:48:18.165 --> 0:48:19.125 the loss of someone. 0:48:19.165 --> 0:48:22.085 I think grief is usually spoken about in terms of 0:48:22.125 --> 0:48:24.885 the death of someone, but grief can come in many forms. 0:48:25.525 --> 0:48:29.725 Deep down, the feeling of loss is the same, but 0:48:30.685 --> 0:48:33.485 different shapes. I think the loss of Mum is very 0:48:33.485 --> 0:48:37.285 different because that's something that cannot be changed and will 0:48:37.325 --> 0:48:41.365 not be changed, and it's looking forward to a hopefully 0:48:41.445 --> 0:48:44.485 long life of that loss always being there. Nothing and 0:48:44.605 --> 0:48:48.405 no one will replace that. The loss of the friend 0:48:49.285 --> 0:48:53.845 that can be filled because I've got other beautiful friends, 0:48:54.405 --> 0:49:00.725 the loss of my partnership with Lee, that exact hole 0:49:00.725 --> 0:49:04.645 won't be filled because every relationship is different. But I 0:49:04.725 --> 0:49:08.085 don't look ahead to the rest of my life and 0:49:08.205 --> 0:49:11.445 think that that will be a hole forever like I 0:49:11.485 --> 0:49:12.765 do with a loss of mum. 0:49:13.045 --> 0:49:19.885 Right, angus, have you got any tissues? Sorry? So sorry, No, 0:49:20.085 --> 0:49:23.445 I just I could use one as well. Actually, what 0:49:23.565 --> 0:49:26.405 a terrible mother I am, What a terrible mother? 0:49:26.445 --> 0:49:33.885 I have tissues in my bag. I know him from. 0:49:33.645 --> 0:49:37.165 Your public falling in love and that he's not a 0:49:37.205 --> 0:49:40.565 shallow character. No, no, And he's a person of great 0:49:40.645 --> 0:49:45.845 depth and also had a huge and has I don't know, 0:49:45.925 --> 0:49:48.365 I'm assuming has a huge love for you. 0:49:49.525 --> 0:49:52.005 Yeah. And also it's in your name. There will be 0:49:52.045 --> 0:49:53.645 more laugh There will. 0:49:53.445 --> 0:49:57.765 Be more laugh, yes, I hope, so I believe there 0:49:57.765 --> 0:50:01.285 will be two. Are you too immersed in where you 0:50:01.325 --> 0:50:04.685 are at the moment to have a forward projection for yourself, 0:50:04.765 --> 0:50:07.285 even in a vague sort of sceense. Is there even 0:50:07.325 --> 0:50:12.405 a shape on your mental vision board of your future? No? 0:50:12.645 --> 0:50:15.645 But they're also they kind of never has been because 0:50:16.205 --> 0:50:19.525 I don't know if I blame this on my career 0:50:19.725 --> 0:50:23.045 or if it is it is realistically because of my career. 0:50:23.085 --> 0:50:28.445 But there's not a clear path in the media industry. 0:50:28.645 --> 0:50:31.565 And certainly not anymore. Oh gosh, no, exactly. 0:50:31.645 --> 0:50:35.125 So I've always been of that belief that I've not 0:50:35.725 --> 0:50:38.445 ever had a five year plan and gone, I'll do this, 0:50:38.525 --> 0:50:40.045 so I can do that, so I can do that 0:50:40.685 --> 0:50:41.365 in my career. 0:50:41.485 --> 0:50:43.005 So I haven't done that in my life. 0:50:42.845 --> 0:50:49.165 Either, because opportunities come, opportunities go away. I don't think 0:50:49.205 --> 0:50:52.405 you can plan out anything really solidly, and if you 0:50:52.485 --> 0:50:56.765 try to, you're more likely going to feel disappointed. So 0:50:56.805 --> 0:50:59.525 I don't believe in these resolutions either. I don't know 0:50:59.565 --> 0:51:03.845 what's going to happen that year. What about personally? Like 0:51:04.725 --> 0:51:09.285 the is a relationship something that you want? 0:51:10.325 --> 0:51:13.725 Yeah, it is? It is. I love having a partner 0:51:13.765 --> 0:51:14.365 through life. 0:51:14.405 --> 0:51:18.005 I've got very close friendships, and I deeply love my 0:51:18.525 --> 0:51:19.365 poetry people. 0:51:21.685 --> 0:51:23.685 My cat is the love of my life. 0:51:23.885 --> 0:51:26.525 She really is, and now officially the longest relationship I've 0:51:26.525 --> 0:51:28.765 ever had, which is a bit sad, right, how long 0:51:29.325 --> 0:51:29.885 she's ten? 0:51:30.245 --> 0:51:32.285 Right? I had her for always, haid, I had her 0:51:32.285 --> 0:51:35.485 for you before I had to leave, and he had 0:51:35.525 --> 0:51:39.645 to get over his allergies and dislike for cats. Yes, 0:51:39.685 --> 0:51:41.965 and he did so very well. He's a very good 0:51:42.045 --> 0:51:42.565 cat dad. 0:51:44.245 --> 0:51:47.805 No, I think personally, for me, I need to get 0:51:47.845 --> 0:51:51.085 through this period. It's not quick, you know, it's not 0:51:51.205 --> 0:51:54.285 quick to go through any of this. I'm very lucky 0:51:54.325 --> 0:51:57.525 to feel there's that word again, to feel very solid 0:51:57.525 --> 0:51:59.685 in my work at the moment and really enjoying that. 0:52:00.365 --> 0:52:04.365 So I know I've got that to focus on as 0:52:04.445 --> 0:52:08.725 I deal with and move forward with everything else. 0:52:09.005 --> 0:52:12.045 Do you do you think, because I say this as 0:52:12.085 --> 0:52:16.925 a mother, I believe that a mother's love is the 0:52:17.045 --> 0:52:20.845 most enduring love. Do you feel like your mum is 0:52:21.005 --> 0:52:23.565 with you and will guide you through this? 0:52:26.405 --> 0:52:26.685 Yes? 0:52:26.885 --> 0:52:31.765 I'm not particularly spiritual. I don't, you know, feel her 0:52:31.805 --> 0:52:38.485 with me or anything. But I think the way I 0:52:38.485 --> 0:52:42.765 feel like she's with me is because she was a 0:52:42.885 --> 0:52:48.805 very strong woman and very opinionated, and we always knew 0:52:48.845 --> 0:52:50.725 what she was thinking. And this is something we laugh 0:52:50.765 --> 0:52:53.885 about in the family, is you know, at least will 0:52:53.925 --> 0:52:57.805 never be sitting here going, oh God, what would mom say? 0:52:58.325 --> 0:52:59.005 She would say? 0:52:59.325 --> 0:53:01.525 And I do find comfort in that as well, because 0:53:01.525 --> 0:53:03.805 I don't sit there and think, you know, God, what 0:53:03.845 --> 0:53:04.805 would she tell me to do? 0:53:05.565 --> 0:53:07.245 What's been really hard is not. 0:53:08.085 --> 0:53:11.765 Having her here through this period. There have been so 0:53:11.845 --> 0:53:14.205 many times that I've just said, I just want my mom. 0:53:14.965 --> 0:53:18.085 I don't think it matters what age you are. I 0:53:18.205 --> 0:53:23.645 just want my mom. Yeah, but that's life, isn't it. 0:53:26.045 --> 0:53:28.045 That's one of the fuck things about Yeah. 0:53:30.805 --> 0:53:35.645 As well, like this, I know and I love that 0:53:35.685 --> 0:53:39.485 you can say still talk about yourself as lucky, which 0:53:39.805 --> 0:53:40.285 you are. 0:53:40.205 --> 0:53:41.885 Fortunate in many ways. We know that. 0:53:45.485 --> 0:53:49.285 Your mother has also bestowed her blessings upon you already, 0:53:50.365 --> 0:53:58.005 like beauty and grace, and I am very stamina musicals. 0:53:58.045 --> 0:53:59.205 That's definitely her fault. 0:54:00.845 --> 0:54:05.685 One thing I really have grappled with, and that's been 0:54:05.805 --> 0:54:07.445 very difficult for me, is. 0:54:09.765 --> 0:54:13.005 The fact that Lee met mum. She was very, very sick, 0:54:13.205 --> 0:54:17.525 he did, but she knew him. Yeah, she died. 0:54:18.765 --> 0:54:23.645 Knowing I was with him. And it's been very difficult 0:54:25.725 --> 0:54:32.445 to think about the prospect of potentially. 0:54:31.925 --> 0:54:34.885 Being someone else that doesn't know your mom, that didn't 0:54:34.925 --> 0:54:37.845 know your mom, and that she didn't she didn't know. 0:54:38.205 --> 0:54:41.125 And I know that silly, because whether you're spiritual or not. 0:54:41.965 --> 0:54:43.685 If you're not spiritual, you go, what doesn't matter. She 0:54:43.725 --> 0:54:46.205 doesn't know anyway, she's dead. If you are spiritual, you go, well, 0:54:46.245 --> 0:54:49.005 she knows what's going on with you all the time. 0:54:51.725 --> 0:54:58.845 But I feel sad that she. 0:55:01.005 --> 0:55:03.805 Thought my life was going one way and it has 0:55:04.245 --> 0:55:05.525 that path has changed. 0:55:06.805 --> 0:55:10.485 I feel sad about that as well. I feel sad. 0:55:10.805 --> 0:55:12.125 I'm just sad. 0:55:12.605 --> 0:55:16.165 There is stuff to be sad about, and that is 0:55:16.845 --> 0:55:23.845 part of the journey of life, is that some things 0:55:23.885 --> 0:55:26.485 will make you sad and some things will make you happy. 0:55:26.805 --> 0:55:27.285 That's it. 0:55:27.725 --> 0:55:29.765 And I'm having both of them all the time. You know, 0:55:29.805 --> 0:55:32.005 I'm not just in a period of all darkness. 0:55:33.245 --> 0:55:37.125 At you join my life. I've established that you're very lucky. 0:55:38.605 --> 0:55:40.485 Oh God, I want anyone here, and I had to 0:55:40.525 --> 0:55:44.205 go for exactly exactly. I just don't. I don't want 0:55:44.205 --> 0:55:47.405 anyone to you know what, Oh God, where things happen. 0:55:47.525 --> 0:55:48.525 I know, I know. 0:55:51.245 --> 0:55:54.285 Some things you just have to let in and settle, 0:55:54.525 --> 0:55:57.405 even though it's like being in yoga when the stretch 0:55:57.485 --> 0:56:00.765 is so painful that monkey mind just wants to make 0:56:00.805 --> 0:56:06.965 you run away from it. And I hope the road 0:56:07.205 --> 0:56:10.405 rises to meet you because. 0:56:12.445 --> 0:56:13.925 You've shared yourself. 0:56:13.565 --> 0:56:17.765 So much with people, and I even think that this 0:56:18.205 --> 0:56:21.205 exchange will help so many people. So much of what 0:56:21.245 --> 0:56:25.365 you're experiencing is is just universal. 0:56:25.845 --> 0:56:28.605 That's it. Yeah, I'm not special. You know, lots of 0:56:28.605 --> 0:56:31.805 people go through you can also be special. You can 0:56:31.845 --> 0:56:39.245 also be special. Okay, you're so self effacing. I'm I'm 0:56:39.325 --> 0:56:40.765 very confident in myself. 0:56:40.765 --> 0:56:43.885 I am so I'm not only self effacing at all. 0:56:43.965 --> 0:56:44.925 I know what it is. 0:56:45.085 --> 0:56:47.525 I know that you don't want to be seen and 0:56:48.085 --> 0:56:51.645 we all have that to be, you know, to be 0:56:51.885 --> 0:56:55.765 sort of like self absorbed or like suffering or the 0:56:55.805 --> 0:56:58.565 fact is sometimes there's shit to cry about. 0:56:58.845 --> 0:57:01.645 That's it. Yeah, and I do is the time, and 0:57:01.765 --> 0:57:02.125 I do. 0:57:02.445 --> 0:57:05.725 I think one thing from doing my podcast everyone has 0:57:05.725 --> 0:57:09.445 an X is hearing everyone's story. So the way that 0:57:09.485 --> 0:57:12.285 I do that show is I sit down with the 0:57:12.325 --> 0:57:16.245 person and interview them is probably the wrong term. They 0:57:16.285 --> 0:57:20.205 tell me their story and those interviews go for about 0:57:20.205 --> 0:57:23.765 two and a half hours every time, and every person's 0:57:23.805 --> 0:57:27.685 story is different. Every person's story has touched them and 0:57:27.765 --> 0:57:30.165 changed them in a way and has been devastating for them, 0:57:31.045 --> 0:57:34.725 and then being able to put that story out there 0:57:34.725 --> 0:57:37.485 for other people. And the feedback that I get from 0:57:37.525 --> 0:57:41.805 that is that other people's stories have helped them, even 0:57:41.845 --> 0:57:45.285 if it's one person that hears and goes I'm not 0:57:45.365 --> 0:57:46.525 alone in feeling that. 0:57:47.565 --> 0:57:50.365 And yes, I suppose the irony of it all is it. 0:57:51.165 --> 0:57:56.845 Everyone does, Yes, they do. Some people have more than one. Yes. 0:57:58.165 --> 0:58:01.645 Georgia Love, I love you, Oh, I love you. 0:58:01.725 --> 0:58:05.205 Thank you so much. Thank you for letting me cry 0:58:05.565 --> 0:58:09.205 and name musicals and talk about Petri. 0:58:10.965 --> 0:58:13.125 Two of my at least two of them are my 0:58:13.205 --> 0:58:17.685 favorite things. Thank you a musical. Oh, there we go. 0:58:21.525 --> 0:58:23.085 I think it's always a bit of an honor to 0:58:23.125 --> 0:58:27.405 get to talk to someone about love and loss, and 0:58:27.645 --> 0:58:32.925 in the context of Georgia who had lost her mum, 0:58:33.245 --> 0:58:37.085 it's always interesting to feel and to hear what she 0:58:37.165 --> 0:58:42.125 wishes she could tell her. Also, what fun to talk 0:58:42.125 --> 0:58:46.485 about show tunes? And that's life, isn't it. It's hard 0:58:47.365 --> 0:58:51.805 and it's easy, and it's dark and it's light. If 0:58:51.805 --> 0:58:54.485 you would like to listen to Georgia Love's podcast, everyone 0:58:54.565 --> 0:58:55.165 has an X. 0:58:55.525 --> 0:58:57.165 We put a link in the show notes. 0:58:58.205 --> 0:59:01.405 The executive producer of No Filter is Naima Brown and 0:59:01.485 --> 0:59:05.245 the senior producer is Grace Rufrey. Audio production is by 0:59:05.325 --> 0:59:08.725 Jacob Brown and I'm your host, Kateline Brook. 0:59:09.325 --> 0:59:10.085 Thanks for listening.