Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA mia podcast. Mama Miya acknowledges
Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and waters that this podcast
Speaker 1: is recorded on.
Speaker 2: That's been a big part of what has been difficult
Speaker 2: about making the public announcement that we have decided to separate,
Speaker 2: because I don't want to feel like I've.
Speaker 1: Let anyone down.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm getting teary about this because it's so silly,
Speaker 2: because it's not about anyone else. But so many people
Speaker 2: say often that they look at our relationship and feel
Speaker 2: like that gives them hope.
Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Kate lane Brook and welcome to No Filter.
Speaker 3: Georgia Love and yes that is her real name, has
Speaker 3: always had a lot of love to give. Almost a
Speaker 3: decade ago, she stepped onto our screens as the bachelorette
Speaker 3: search for just that love. She found it too, forming
Speaker 3: a relationship in the public eye that captured hearts around
Speaker 3: the country. But now, almost ten years on, that same
Speaker 3: relationship is ending, also in full view of the public.
Speaker 3: Georgia is no stranger to loss, both the kind she's
Speaker 3: chosen to share with the world and the kind she's
Speaker 3: fought fiercely to keep private from losing her mum just
Speaker 3: days after her Bachelorette finale aired to navigating a very
Speaker 3: public cancelation, stepping away from her career, losing friendships, and
Speaker 3: now facing the end of a major chapter in her life.
Speaker 3: Georgia has weathered more storms than most each time she's
Speaker 3: picked herself up, rebuilt her life, and somehow stayed open hearted, resilient, vulnerable,
Speaker 3: and tougher than she often gets credit. It four Georgia
Speaker 3: Love is a woman who has lived many lives in
Speaker 3: one and I think by the end of this conversation
Speaker 3: you're going to fall a little bit in love with
Speaker 3: Georgia Love too. Georgia Love, Hello, welcome to No Filter.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: It's lovely to have you here in this chair. Well,
Speaker 3: it's lovely to have you there in that chair. We
Speaker 3: may be in the same chair, I mean, I like
Speaker 3: that since you first came to our attention. Bachelorette twenty sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the most remarkable that everyone, the whole nation was like,
Speaker 3: it's her name Love, it's her name Love, and she's
Speaker 3: looking for love.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's why I got the gig. The promos
Speaker 2: wrote themselves, Oh it.
Speaker 3: Was, It's amazing. So Love is a blessing and has
Speaker 3: proven to be. I think also your quest in.
Speaker 2: Life, maybe, yeah, very much. I would hope it's everybody's.
Speaker 2: I think as humans, we all strive for love, be
Speaker 2: that a romantic relationship or friendships, or a love for
Speaker 2: your career. I think we should all be striving for
Speaker 2: love because that's what keeps us going.
Speaker 1: What's the point otherwise one minute in and already wisdom
Speaker 1: my name by nature, Kate.
Speaker 3: I have to believe that you know that self fulfilling prophecy.
Speaker 3: You know that your name can propel you into a
Speaker 3: certain course. You also have a podcast, a very successful
Speaker 3: podcast called Everyone Has an X, and you now.
Speaker 1: Have an X.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm putting the everyone in everyone has an X. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: But this is the thing, right, it does what it
Speaker 2: says on the tin.
Speaker 1: Everyone does, and.
Speaker 2: It's true, you know, we all do. And I think
Speaker 2: that hopefully people can see that. I always have and
Speaker 2: will certainly continue to treat our guest stories with care
Speaker 2: and understanding because I'm very much going through that myself.
Speaker 1: At the moment, when did.
Speaker 3: You start to realize that you and lay your beautiful
Speaker 3: husband ex husband ex husband.
Speaker 1: Well not yet really, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're still in that muddy where, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're agreed to separate, but where yeah, there's certainly no
Speaker 3: paperwork or anything done or that takes a long time.
Speaker 1: Anyway. I feel very weird calling him my ex husband.
Speaker 1: He doesn't. And this is.
Speaker 3: Also a very interesting time to sit down and do
Speaker 3: an interview, isn't it when you're Are you raw or
Speaker 3: are you Yeah?
Speaker 1: Very much?
Speaker 2: But I also know that I will be for a
Speaker 2: long time. Lee and I were together for nine years
Speaker 2: and married for four, So it's not it's not just
Speaker 2: an ex you know, It's not something that in a
Speaker 2: year's time I'll go, oh, the ex boyfriend, very very
Speaker 2: much ingrained in each other's lives, you know, through share
Speaker 2: family and friendships and.
Speaker 1: Horrible love, terrible disgusted. We'll say again, it's in my name.
Speaker 1: My name's punned my whole life. I can't help it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think he'll ever feel like my
Speaker 2: ex husband. I think we are very I think we
Speaker 2: will always be very connected. We've shared such a beautiful
Speaker 2: life together. I feel so, so so lucky and grateful
Speaker 2: for that. We've gone through a lot in our nine years,
Speaker 2: individually and as a couple, and We've had the most
Speaker 2: wonderful time together as well, So I'll never look back
Speaker 2: on our time together as an ex relationship or something
Speaker 2: that I completely move on from.
Speaker 1: That's very much part of my life story and always
Speaker 1: were woven into the fabric. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I don't think any long term relationship at all, let
Speaker 2: alone a marriage, and let alone a marriage that has
Speaker 2: gone through big life changes, you know. The loss of
Speaker 2: my mum started our relationship. That was the day after
Speaker 2: our bachelorette finale, my mom passed away. So we've shared
Speaker 2: too much together and we have too much love for
Speaker 2: each other and respect of each other to look back
Speaker 2: on any time with any negativity at all.
Speaker 3: There's an intimacy that the public have with you because
Speaker 3: we watch you fall in love, and so how.
Speaker 1: Is that when you are.
Speaker 3: Consciously uncoupling from someone. But there's so many people that
Speaker 3: have got fingers in the pie of your life, you know,
Speaker 3: and feel entitled to a little piece of it because
Speaker 3: we're invested in you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I understand that.
Speaker 2: So that's been a big part of what has been
Speaker 2: difficult about making the public announcement that we have decided
Speaker 2: to separate, because.
Speaker 1: I don't want to feel like I've.
Speaker 2: Let anyone down, which is so silly because it's not
Speaker 2: about anyone else.
Speaker 1: It's just about us.
Speaker 2: But people have been so wonderful following our story along
Speaker 2: since the start, and I feel sorry I'm getting teary
Speaker 2: about this because it's so silly because it's not.
Speaker 1: About anyone else.
Speaker 2: But so many people say often that they look at
Speaker 2: our relationship and.
Speaker 1: Feel like that gives them hope, yes, that they'll.
Speaker 2: Find their person, and they really Yeah, I've been very
Speaker 2: sad about feeling like I've let people down, or we've
Speaker 2: let people down.
Speaker 1: Very much.
Speaker 2: Believe in love where we have not fallen out of love.
Speaker 2: There has always been deep love there. But I don't
Speaker 2: want people to be disappointed.
Speaker 3: No, And that's I understand what you're saying, because even
Speaker 3: though people could go, oh, that's ridiculous, but it's not
Speaker 3: as though there was There were only two of you
Speaker 3: in the relationship. Obviously at an intimacy level, it was
Speaker 3: whatever happened there. But you should feel like you can
Speaker 3: serve yourself. But that's really hard. And also I understand
Speaker 3: why you're moved. I think because it's the when you've
Speaker 3: been through a rough time, people showing you kindness is
Speaker 3: what can wipe the knees out from under you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 2: That is what has moved me the most. To use
Speaker 2: your words. You know, some people have been nasty, as
Speaker 2: you can always expect with anyone that's in the public
Speaker 2: eye at all. Online online, that's the thing. No one
Speaker 2: ever comes up to your face and says nasty things.
Speaker 2: It's only ever online. And of course I knew there
Speaker 2: would be the people that would come out of the
Speaker 2: woodwork and go you met on reality TV.
Speaker 1: Surprise, surprise, it didn't work. The thing is, it did work.
Speaker 2: We met on a reality TV show, We fell in love,
Speaker 2: we got married, and we've spent the most incredible years together.
Speaker 2: That's not a failure of the relationship. It's not another
Speaker 2: bachelor couple has failed. I don't see it as a
Speaker 2: failure at all.
Speaker 3: I would imagine those people, though didn't watch the show,
Speaker 3: probably not because that was a very beautiful series and
Speaker 3: it was a very open series. Also because of where
Speaker 3: you were at with your mom, and because he was
Speaker 3: very beautiful, and the tension between Lee and Maddy j
Speaker 3: and all of that, Like people were just you let
Speaker 3: people see you, and I.
Speaker 2: Do that probably to a fault, But I like that
Speaker 2: about myself that I do that, because I think if
Speaker 2: people are walking around the world guarded and trying to
Speaker 2: put on a face or put on a show, that's
Speaker 2: only doing a disservice to yourself. So I've always been
Speaker 2: very old, open and vulnerable, and going into that show,
Speaker 2: I didn't look at it as a show.
Speaker 1: I looked at it as.
Speaker 2: This opportunity has come to me for a reason, this
Speaker 2: is how I meet my person.
Speaker 1: I took it really seriously, I.
Speaker 3: Know, which is amazing actually for someone who's got a background.
Speaker 3: I mean, you were a journalist, but very much well prior. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you were, I don't even want to say just a journalist,
Speaker 3: but you were a journalist and newsreader. And I would
Speaker 3: have thought that someone who knew enough about television would
Speaker 3: have been more cynical than you were, and yet you
Speaker 3: were not.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I very much saw it as a sign I was
Speaker 2: approached about applying.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I wasn't just handed the gig, but I was approached
Speaker 2: to see if I wanted to apply, and I thought,
Speaker 2: this can't be for no reason. There's got to be
Speaker 2: a reason I meant to be doing this. I always
Speaker 2: say I'd rather have a regret than go through life
Speaker 2: thinking what if, because I think that does plays more.
Speaker 1: On your mind if you always going, oh what it
Speaker 1: is on that? Yeah, what if? So that's what I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went into it very seriously in that way,
Speaker 2: and I think that's what came across. And it's such
Speaker 2: a beautiful group of boys men on my season as well.
Speaker 1: I was very very lucky.
Speaker 2: And it's really nice to for you to say that
Speaker 2: that came across, because I think if anyone goes in
Speaker 2: and people do go into these kinds of shows wanting
Speaker 2: to come across a certain way or wanting something out
Speaker 2: of it, that isn't actually what the show is there for.
Speaker 3: Well, particularly then, and I mean things have changed quite
Speaker 3: rapidly because now when you watch reality, you know it's
Speaker 3: basically a bunch of rotters who want to who want
Speaker 3: to get a teeth for near you know, sponsorship or
Speaker 3: good on them.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the case then, no, and I think
Speaker 1: a big.
Speaker 2: Difference when we did it, and then of course all
Speaker 2: the years before, we weren't even allowed to use social
Speaker 2: media until three months after the show, so it was
Speaker 2: not a part of.
Speaker 1: It at all. What was social media then I can't.
Speaker 2: It was Instagram, yeah, but the world of influences and
Speaker 2: influencing was very fresh, and it was you know, it
Speaker 2: was kind of celebrities would do things like that.
Speaker 1: But I don't even know if the term influencer was really.
Speaker 2: Around or used, but so we weren't even allowed to
Speaker 2: use it at all. So that was not something that
Speaker 2: would ever cross your mind going on to it, whereas
Speaker 2: I think now, because so many people have had such
Speaker 2: success in that world, of course from going that has
Speaker 2: been sparked by going on reality TV, there's a difference
Speaker 2: in priorities for people going on a lot of those shows.
Speaker 2: It's certainly not everyone, but it does feel like sometimes
Speaker 2: you're seeing comes across a bit like people are going, right,
Speaker 2: what will give me the most airtime on this show,
Speaker 2: because then that will give me the most social media followers.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a big difference from those early
Speaker 2: days of these kind of shows.
Speaker 3: You've had such a period of intensity that I'm like,
Speaker 3: how did you even process like the passing of your
Speaker 3: mum at the same time as you said like that
Speaker 3: in the midst of the Bachelor finale, and.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 3: Then been catapulted into this into this world where there
Speaker 3: was a big appetite for you and a hunger. And
Speaker 3: it's a really intense period that post bachelor where you know,
Speaker 3: I was on radio, we'd always talk to the bachelor
Speaker 3: of bachelorette at the time, and yet you had this
Speaker 3: also massive loss and these massive material or career opportunities
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: How did you handle that? And you had Lee who was.
Speaker 2: Not media savvy, no, and we were brand knew, brand new.
Speaker 2: We were getting to know each other and he's getting
Speaker 2: to know me through the depths of my grief, getting
Speaker 2: to know my family that way. He met all of
Speaker 2: my friends and family at mum's funeral. A what a rollercoaster.
Speaker 1: I can't think of any other term.
Speaker 2: It was the highest of HIGs and the lowest of
Speaker 2: lows that year, and though they've continued, the high heighs
Speaker 2: and low lows have very much.
Speaker 1: Continued since then. To answer your question, I don't know
Speaker 1: how I handled it. I don't know. That was the
Speaker 1: path I was dealt.
Speaker 2: So I had to because Mum died so soon after
Speaker 2: the show. All of that media intensity in terms of,
Speaker 2: as you say, going on the radio shows and talking
Speaker 2: about the show and everything that was pulled back. Of course,
Speaker 2: Channel ten and the producers understood that that wasn't anyone's
Speaker 2: priority at that time, so I was very grateful for that.
Speaker 2: It wasn't I wasn't thrust into that as much as
Speaker 2: other people are after the shows, and then I certainly
Speaker 2: didn't put myself out there looking for new jobs and
Speaker 2: jumping for opportunities or anything, because I was dealing with
Speaker 2: the toughest period in my life and I didn't know
Speaker 2: how to deal with that, being rallying around my dad
Speaker 2: and my family, trying to deal with what life looks
Speaker 2: like now, as I was getting to know Lee and
Speaker 2: seeing what our relationship is going to look like too.
Speaker 1: So I think I have been I don't like the
Speaker 1: word luck.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I think I've been lucky,
Speaker 2: but I think that's unfair when people use that word
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: Why do you say that?
Speaker 2: Because I think people work for what they've got. I
Speaker 2: think people can be fortunate. I think that's very different
Speaker 2: to luck. So I think I was fortunate that I've
Speaker 2: been able to go on since that time and still
Speaker 2: do my media work. But again, maybe that's not even fortune,
Speaker 2: and that was operation Yeah, and eight years of work
Speaker 2: in the media before I was on The Bachelorette two.
Speaker 2: I just tried to live my life and work out
Speaker 2: what that new life looked like throughout the end of
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen without thinking or worrying about anything else. And
Speaker 2: I suppose the fortune slash luck, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it, came from when I did start working again
Speaker 2: into twenty seventeen. My time out of the media wasn't
Speaker 2: looked at as time away.
Speaker 1: And that's probably something from working in the media so long.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got to hustle and got to work
Speaker 1: up that ladder. And that was a bit of a
Speaker 1: scary thing for me, even because you.
Speaker 3: Do think that that that opportunity knocking is not.
Speaker 2: I might not be there right, but that wasn't the
Speaker 2: priority at the time. My priority was my family and
Speaker 2: my own mental health. So I suppose that's what I
Speaker 2: mean about the fortune came from the fact that I
Speaker 2: don't feel like I lost any opportunity or you know,
Speaker 2: going away or underground for a certain amount of time
Speaker 2: didn't mean all the work I had done on my
Speaker 2: career beforehand went away.
Speaker 3: But when you say in twenty seventeen that that was
Speaker 3: when you first kind of came out of your seclusion, Yeah,
Speaker 3: relative seclusion. What was the opportunity that lured you out
Speaker 3: or what was the feeling where you were like, I'm
Speaker 3: ready to do this.
Speaker 1: The reason for that was because I love my job
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 2: I've only ever wanted to do journalism since I was thirteen,
Speaker 2: and I love it so much. I've loved every single
Speaker 2: day of my work in that industry. So I really
Speaker 2: missed it. I wanted to go back to work. I
Speaker 2: wanted to be doing that again.
Speaker 3: And I do think work is underestimated, oh big time.
Speaker 3: And in times of pain, work is a salvation.
Speaker 2: That is so true. Okay, that's exactly what feeling at
Speaker 2: the moment. Going through this separation is such a difficult time, emotionally,
Speaker 2: such a difficult time. I love my work so much.
Speaker 2: I love my job so much. I've got most beautiful colleagues.
Speaker 2: I know where I am to be every day. I
Speaker 2: know that I'm needed, i know that I'm value to there.
Speaker 1: What are you doing at the moment.
Speaker 2: I'm doing radio news for Gold Okay, Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 3: And only someone who's in a certain degree of life
Speaker 3: pain could think that the news cycle.
Speaker 2: That shows I am actually a journal, but it is
Speaker 2: that's been such a salvation for me.
Speaker 1: And I know the.
Speaker 2: Difference as well, because there have been periods in my life,
Speaker 2: and you know, since Mum died in the last few years,
Speaker 2: I've had periods where I haven't had work as.
Speaker 1: A salvation and that has been horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I agree with you entirely that I think
Speaker 2: work can be underestimated as a source of joy and
Speaker 2: a source of routine is really good for the brain
Speaker 2: as well, especially when you're going through a tough time.
Speaker 2: To have something at least that is a foundation and
Speaker 2: is solid, because I feel like everything else in my
Speaker 2: life right now is not that, and everything is turning
Speaker 2: quickly and looking differently, and I don't know what the
Speaker 2: next year will look like, let alone the next five
Speaker 2: or ten. And having that consistency of work that I
Speaker 2: love and people around me that I love and are
Speaker 2: supportive has just been a godsend.
Speaker 3: It's like that conventional wisdom that you can if you've
Speaker 3: got you've got the three pillars. You know, your home,
Speaker 3: your love life, and your work, and you can operate
Speaker 3: with two of like one of them being a bit wobbly,
Speaker 3: but at the moment, aside from the work, you're kind
Speaker 3: of in flux.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've certainly only got one that's a real at
Speaker 2: the moment, the other to a certainly wobbly. But having
Speaker 2: that one as such a strong feller is it adds
Speaker 2: a godsend. After this short break, Georgia Love reflects on
Speaker 2: her cancelation, what she's learnt from it, and how she
Speaker 2: moved forward.
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. If you look at the unimaginable but
Speaker 1: real loss of your mum along the way the slings
Speaker 1: and arrows of life, do you think the losses that
Speaker 1: you've incurred, do you think that all of that has
Speaker 1: led to perhaps the end of your marriage or this
Speaker 1: state of flux that you find yourself in now.
Speaker 2: I don't think any of it has led to it,
Speaker 2: but I do think there's a real compounding.
Speaker 1: Feeling of grief.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as you say, the loss of my mum, the
Speaker 2: loss of my job. I was. I hate the term canceled,
Speaker 2: but that's the term that people use a few years ago,
Speaker 2: and I lost my job after that.
Speaker 3: Why was this in twenty twenty one or was this
Speaker 3: the cat? Yes, picture the cat in the restaurant like
Speaker 3: this is so crazy to even say that is a sentence,
Speaker 3: but that lead to you losing your job?
Speaker 1: It did.
Speaker 2: I posted something on Instagram that I didn't realize on
Speaker 2: posting that would or could be taken as offensive. I
Speaker 2: was immediately called out on that and told that it
Speaker 2: was and was mortified. Immediately took it down and apologized.
Speaker 2: But I had upset and.
Speaker 3: Offended a lot of people in that And who were
Speaker 3: these people? Now, this is what I find very interesting
Speaker 3: about when you look at the pleathuare of people that
Speaker 3: come across our paths in public life. And it seems
Speaker 3: to me that some people are forgiven for things and
Speaker 3: some people are not. And what is it do you
Speaker 3: think that led to you not being forgiven?
Speaker 2: I think there were probably a lot of factors. It
Speaker 2: was during COVID, It was towards the end of COVID,
Speaker 2: and it was that time and all were as well,
Speaker 2: when both Melbourne and Sydney were in their longest lockdowns.
Speaker 2: At the time, everyone was chomping at the bit. Everyone
Speaker 2: was angry at the world and at each other and whatever.
Speaker 3: And online and so you know, it was Podcasts were
Speaker 3: going through the roof, and social media was going through
Speaker 3: the roof because people's only access to the world was
Speaker 3: through that, so everything was amplified, and it was.
Speaker 2: The only These were the only kind of things that
Speaker 2: were happening that weren't COVID related. There was no news
Speaker 2: that wasn't about cod course, so everything else was amplified
Speaker 2: because that's what was happening. So I do think that
Speaker 2: was part of the reason it became as big as
Speaker 2: it did. That doesn't take away from the fact that
Speaker 2: I said something that offended people.
Speaker 1: It's certainly no excuse for that.
Speaker 2: I do think that's a part of why it became
Speaker 2: as big and as well known as it did at
Speaker 2: the time. I also think that there is an element
Speaker 2: of because I was a journalist, I should have known better,
Speaker 2: and because I was a former reality TV person, it's
Speaker 2: easy and fun to put them down, right, it's not
Speaker 2: easy and fun to put them down, but that's right
Speaker 2: people with an.
Speaker 1: Element of sport to.
Speaker 3: It, because it's almost like because I do think in
Speaker 3: cases like that that sometimes it comes from within.
Speaker 2: The biggest commentary from people you know, openly and loudly publicly,
Speaker 2: from people that I don't and didn't associate with.
Speaker 1: People.
Speaker 3: What do you mean, like professional people or ordinate ordinary
Speaker 3: boot both.
Speaker 2: But you know, there were a number of people who
Speaker 2: wrote public opinion pieces and open letters and used me
Speaker 2: as an example of the worst type of racism and
Speaker 2: the worst of the worst that there is. And these
Speaker 2: were people who didn't say anything to me. They didn't
Speaker 2: reach out to me to say, this is why I
Speaker 2: believe what you said was wrong.
Speaker 1: I hope you learn from this.
Speaker 2: The people that came out and spoke about that publicly
Speaker 2: in a negative way never reached out to me personally,
Speaker 2: and I've I've got a real issue with that because
Speaker 2: I think, what's the point of calling someone out and
Speaker 2: this public vitriol against them if you're not having the
Speaker 2: conversations with them, if you're saying what anyone has said
Speaker 2: is wrong, then they need to learn from that.
Speaker 1: So you need to be talking to them about it.
Speaker 3: But also there needs to be some sort of perspective,
Speaker 3: which and that's why a lot of the time, perspective
Speaker 3: wasn't around.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it is now.
Speaker 3: But I also think that people are in a period
Speaker 3: of disconnection from themselves. We live in a time we
Speaker 3: have had to put the you know, the cross the
Speaker 3: street lights on the pavement, and I myself am in
Speaker 3: the grip of the you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: proper thing. And as people feel that they're connected, they're
Speaker 3: actually increasingly disconnected in that situation. And I work in
Speaker 3: the media, as you know, and there are times when
Speaker 3: you get blowback on stuff and you reflect yourself, like
Speaker 3: what role did I play in this? You always have
Speaker 3: to do this in a relationship, in a friendship whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: I'm not you, obviously, but I can't see it for you.
Speaker 3: I can't see what it is about you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I seem to be easy to dislike. I guess I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm unlikable. It maybe feels like it's almost
Speaker 2: the opposite. I think I've been nice and I've been kind,
Speaker 2: and I've kind of kept my head down and just
Speaker 2: done my work and enjoyed that and enjoyed my life.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's.
Speaker 2: The reason people go, oh, there's something, there's something there.
Speaker 2: You know, there are people too good to be true,
Speaker 2: almost like you know, it's too nice, it must be
Speaker 2: something got to rip it down. There are people who
Speaker 2: say and do things that you know are wrong or
Speaker 2: are taken in the wrong way. They're people who are
Speaker 2: always outspoken, so it's almost like the pushback and the
Speaker 2: strength that comes from them sharing their opinions so often
Speaker 2: means they can say the wrong thing and go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I acknowledge that was the wrong thing, but we'll move
Speaker 2: on and no one cares. But because and probably because
Speaker 2: I've always worked in news, I don't talk about my opinions.
Speaker 3: I don't strogers and userider has to. Yeah, I'm high
Speaker 3: neutrality to it. I'm strong in my personality.
Speaker 2: But I've never been someone that's, you know, had one
Speaker 2: of those podcasts where you sit there and talk about
Speaker 2: your opinion on what's happened on the news this week
Speaker 2: or what someone has said on social media.
Speaker 3: So maybe is there a part of you now that thinks,
Speaker 3: oh fuck it, I may as well, or are you just.
Speaker 1: Not wired that way.
Speaker 2: I'm not wired that way, I think from being in
Speaker 2: news forever. But if anything, that period has made me
Speaker 2: more guarded, not guarded about what I say, really guarded
Speaker 2: in myself.
Speaker 1: Put a lot of walls up from that.
Speaker 2: That period really damaged me and really has changed me
Speaker 2: as a person. Not my nature or my core, but
Speaker 2: the way I react to things or where my mind
Speaker 2: jumps to. You know, still to this day, if or
Speaker 2: when my boss calls me, my heart sinks and I go,
Speaker 2: oh God, what's happened.
Speaker 1: What's happened? I can't shake that.
Speaker 2: And you know, I've done work and I've moved on
Speaker 2: from that period in my life. But it really has
Speaker 2: changed me. It made me probably go inwards a lot
Speaker 2: more and be a bit more independent in myself because
Speaker 2: it's probably taught me that you can only rely on
Speaker 2: yourself everything you do and say you're the one that's
Speaker 2: accountable for And yeah, it's probably made me go within
Speaker 2: a bit more. And then even shortly after that time,
Speaker 2: I had a really bad friendship breakup, which I think
Speaker 2: that people don't place enough emphasis on how heartbreaking they
Speaker 2: can be. Yes, and that compounding on top of losing
Speaker 2: my job as well, kind of all within the space
Speaker 2: of about six months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of really changed to my So this friendship,
Speaker 1: what was the nature of this friendship?
Speaker 2: Seventeen years of best friends, very very close, the person
Speaker 2: that was literally sitting in the hotel room the second
Speaker 2: I finished filming Bachelorette there with open arms, and that
Speaker 2: friendship fell apart for reasons I still don't understand and
Speaker 2: have come to terms with the fact that I won't.
Speaker 2: But that was really traumatic, and I think people don't
Speaker 2: think about that. People think about the loss of romantic
Speaker 2: relationships and realize that for someone else. If you're going
Speaker 2: through a separation or you've been dumped or you've been divorced,
Speaker 2: people sympathize with that more. But I think friendship breakups
Speaker 2: aren't given gravity.
Speaker 1: That they aren't.
Speaker 2: They are devastating. That was a real grief for me
Speaker 2: and remains that way. But life changes, relationships change, people change,
Speaker 2: and this is what I'm learning more more.
Speaker 1: Can you give me your hand?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. People go through so much worse, people
Speaker 1: go through so much.
Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't. They're not in the room with us. Now,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? You don't have to
Speaker 3: have everything bad happen to you in the world for
Speaker 3: what's happening to you to not be bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And you've had You've had a lot in a quite
Speaker 3: compressed period of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do laugh about the fact that I had a
Speaker 2: very very, very easy and wonderful and privileged twenty seven years, right.
Speaker 2: I feel like someone or something up above went, oh shit,
Speaker 2: we forgot.
Speaker 1: To give any bad things to Georgia.
Speaker 3: Just because it is like that, is it that seven
Speaker 3: year cycle? But hang on, I know that's a nine
Speaker 3: year cycle three twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Well, there we go.
Speaker 2: That makes sense because it's nine years this time and
Speaker 2: Lee and I have just split, so there's it's the nineties.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: But also I think that I mean, I'm not a shrink,
Speaker 3: but we know a lot more now about trauma and
Speaker 3: we recognize it in ourselves and loss and you know,
Speaker 3: PTSDN to a certain extent, these terms are almost by
Speaker 3: being bandied about, but I don't think in your case
Speaker 3: that they are. So what processing have you even you're
Speaker 3: talking about losing your girlfriend and I've had and most
Speaker 3: of our listeners will have had.
Speaker 1: Some experience of that.
Speaker 3: It is so it is down to the bedrock of
Speaker 3: your soul, because as you said, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: respect paid for if people have lost a romantic love
Speaker 3: or even a parent or a relative or whatever. But
Speaker 3: what's not factored into the loss of a true friend
Speaker 3: is that you have opened yourself to them in ways
Speaker 3: that you never do to your parent or even to
Speaker 3: a partner.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: And there's also the side of it as well that
Speaker 2: with a romantic relationship, if you are monogamous, then that
Speaker 2: is the one person you're choosing to be with. So
Speaker 2: it does get to a point for many people that
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, that's the person that isn't going to
Speaker 2: be your one person that you're in a romantic relationship with.
Speaker 2: But friendships you can have as many as you want,
Speaker 2: So a friendship breakup or friendship loss cuts really deep
Speaker 2: because you kind of go, well, you can have as
Speaker 2: many as you want, so to choose not to have
Speaker 2: someone anymore feels like more of a choice.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, you know what I mean. I do think that.
Speaker 3: It's a painful tiara to be crowned with. But some people,
Speaker 3: I respect you for show yourself and showing your loss
Speaker 3: and showing your pain. And I don't mean that in
Speaker 3: a victimy kind of way. These are just these are.
Speaker 2: Just things that have happened, things that have happened, and
Speaker 2: I think the kind of look at those three losses,
Speaker 2: let's call it that mum, my job, and my friend.
Speaker 2: The grief of those things has been very different, of course,
Speaker 2: but has really compounded, but they've all been things that
Speaker 2: have happened that I haven't expected or I haven't really
Speaker 2: had a conscious choice. In of course, I had no
Speaker 2: say over whether.
Speaker 1: Mum died or not.
Speaker 2: I didn't expect to lose my job. I didn't expect
Speaker 2: to lose this friend. So with Lee and I separating,
Speaker 2: one of the hardest parts of that has been choosing
Speaker 2: to enter into a period of loss and grief again
Speaker 2: right because I'm so tired, and it was very, very hard.
Speaker 2: At the end of last year, there was a lot
Speaker 2: of speculation around whether we had split. You know, we'll
Speaker 2: being followed a bit to see if we were seen together.
Speaker 1: Or whether we were wearing our wedding rings or anything.
Speaker 2: And I understand that that's part of being in the
Speaker 2: public eye, especially because we met in a public way.
Speaker 2: I do understand that, so I don't begrudge that, but
Speaker 2: it was very very hard while I was trying to
Speaker 2: come to terms with what was happening. Because Lee and
Speaker 2: I have made this decision together doesn't mean it makes
Speaker 2: me happy.
Speaker 1: It doesn't.
Speaker 2: I'm really really sad about it, and trying to process
Speaker 2: that myself.
Speaker 1: Was hard enough.
Speaker 2: Deciding to or knowing when was the right time to
Speaker 2: put it out there publicly, which.
Speaker 1: No one should have to.
Speaker 2: And no, we didn't have too, but we felt like
Speaker 2: that was the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: But that's not a reason to stay in something either.
Speaker 3: I was having this conversation with a girlfriend of mine
Speaker 3: only last week, and she lost her dad when he
Speaker 3: was six when she was sixteen, and she's just had
Speaker 3: a lot of grief in her life. And she's one
Speaker 3: of these really brave people who, when she sees it
Speaker 3: in other people, runs towards it to be of assistance.
Speaker 3: But she said a similar thing. She said she now
Speaker 3: realizes she needs and she's had therapy and whatever, and
Speaker 3: she works as a counselor to other grieving.
Speaker 1: Wow, amazing people.
Speaker 3: But she's realized herself now that as you travel through life,
Speaker 3: more bad things are going to happen. That's it, and there's
Speaker 3: going to be more grief and more loss. And she said,
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't take it. I can't take it.
Speaker 3: So now she's gone looking for, you know, a deep
Speaker 3: dive to work out how she can take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the thing too, that's what I have felt.
Speaker 2: But you do because you have to, because that's life.
Speaker 2: You say, you're going to go through bad things, some
Speaker 2: that you know you're going to go through, some that
Speaker 2: come unexpectedly.
Speaker 1: Yes, a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people say to me, you know, how did you
Speaker 2: get through that period, or how did you do that?
Speaker 1: You shouldn't do it. People will always say that I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. Yes, you could. You have to, You
Speaker 1: have to. That's the cards that life has dealt.
Speaker 3: That's not all of my conversation with Georgia. Up next,
Speaker 3: we talk about how she started the process of healing
Speaker 3: after her split and the magical powers of friendship.
Speaker 1: What do you do? So you went overseas?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did so, and that trip had always been planned.
Speaker 2: So one of my best friends in the world, who
Speaker 2: I met on the school bus when we were.
Speaker 1: Fifteen, he moved to New York a.
Speaker 3: Year ago, so I handed and he loves musical theater
Speaker 3: as well, so perfect.
Speaker 2: We spent the whole time on Broadway. I had always
Speaker 2: planned to go there. It was going to be my
Speaker 2: first Christmas and New Year period without him, which sounds
Speaker 2: like such a funny thing, but he was very much
Speaker 2: part of my family as well, so I had always
Speaker 2: planned to go and spend that time with him in
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: Anyway, the timing.
Speaker 2: Just ended up being even more perfect than I realized
Speaker 2: it would be when it was boring, because I went
Speaker 2: over there and spent that time with Aba, my friend,
Speaker 2: and it was amazing taking.
Speaker 1: Myself out of that bubble.
Speaker 2: When you're going through something, no matter what it is,
Speaker 2: it can feel like it is everything. It's taking over
Speaker 2: your life, it's taking over your world, and it's very
Speaker 2: easy to think that other people are all looking at
Speaker 2: you thinking that thing too. But stepping outside of that,
Speaker 2: you realize that isn't everything for everyone else, and even yourself.
Speaker 2: Me physically removing myself from the you know where I
Speaker 2: live and seeing people every day that are asking about
Speaker 2: the relationship and have.
Speaker 1: Any anonymity of being in New York, that's it I was.
Speaker 2: I was meeting people as Arba's friend. You know, no
Speaker 2: one knew or cared had context you, and it was
Speaker 2: very freeing and it was It gave me a lot
Speaker 2: of strength and realizing that I am not just Georgia
Speaker 2: Love who was on the Bachelorette. I've never thought that
Speaker 2: about myself. I'm very strong willed and I have a
Speaker 2: strong belief in myself. But it was also very easy
Speaker 2: to fall into feeling like, well, if I'm not that,
Speaker 2: if I'm no longer with that person, will I have
Speaker 2: disappointed people? And of course I'm meeting people that don't
Speaker 2: know anything about that and don't care anything about that,
Speaker 2: and of course that's not a big deal to anyone.
Speaker 2: I think it made me realize I wasn't I haven't failed,
Speaker 2: I don't le and I's marriage didn't fail. It's ended,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's failed. And I think a lot
Speaker 2: of me stepping out of being in the depths of that,
Speaker 2: stepping out of that and spending time with other people,
Speaker 2: not having that be the thing on the front of
Speaker 2: my mind and the thing that everyone is asking about, and.
Speaker 1: You're identifying like you have a brand on your forehead,
Speaker 1: and of course I don't know, I'm not.
Speaker 2: You know, people aren't looking at me and going, oh,
Speaker 2: that's the girl that was on the Bachelorette nine years ago.
Speaker 2: That's not a thing. But it was even in my friendships,
Speaker 2: I really withdrew in myself a lot because I didn't.
Speaker 2: It's so exhausting going through these emotions yourself, let alone,
Speaker 2: then sitting down and always talking about it. But the
Speaker 2: timing of it New York in the end and ended
Speaker 2: up being perfect. What did you see, by the way,
Speaker 2: I saw Hamilton obviously my favorite of all times.
Speaker 1: Sunset Boulevard with Nicole Scherzinger, oh mind, pussy Cat John
Speaker 1: playing She was incredible.
Speaker 2: The Tony Awards so Audra McDonald and Gypsy also amazing.
Speaker 2: I saw Awful One, which was only on for a
Speaker 2: short time, but it was famous Broadway people reading short plays.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. I saw Titanic, which the beautiful Calum Francis.
Speaker 2: So did you see Kinky Boots when it was in Australia?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Not so the leading Kinky Boots is over there. Amazing.
Speaker 2: I saw or a show called Teeth maybe happy ending
Speaker 2: and the Outsiders and you, well.
Speaker 1: You know what is interesting about you?
Speaker 3: Because you've got yourself kind of musical theater energy.
Speaker 1: Do you know what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you come in like you could play the lead
Speaker 3: in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Do you know what you may peep in your step?
Speaker 1: I've always said I have.
Speaker 2: No one can ever doubt the enthusiasm and passion I
Speaker 2: have for musical theater.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I can't not met with Dallas. I'm the same,
Speaker 1: I mean, I love.
Speaker 2: Me musical or maybe we can just we can do
Speaker 2: some Karryoke together one but.
Speaker 1: That's a very therapeutic thing to do. It is escapism.
Speaker 3: And also most musicals also have a point at which
Speaker 3: you cry, oh God, yeah, oh God.
Speaker 1: Yes, So all of that is very good.
Speaker 2: It was, and I saw some of them by myself
Speaker 2: when you know, I was at work some days and
Speaker 2: you were just so bang up for absolutely, because I
Speaker 2: was there for two and a half weeks, so he
Speaker 2: had to go back to work at some point.
Speaker 1: But it's New.
Speaker 2: York and it was snowing and it was so great.
Speaker 2: It was such a good time. And even that spending
Speaker 2: days just walking by myself, deciding to go to a
Speaker 2: show by myself.
Speaker 1: And seeing different things.
Speaker 2: And realizing I can go through life on my own.
Speaker 2: I've never thought that I can't. I have never been
Speaker 2: someone that has thought I need a partner, but being
Speaker 2: in the depths of but it went on the Bachelorette.
Speaker 2: No because I wanted a partner. I'm very staunch. I
Speaker 2: don't think anyone needs a partner. I never felt I
Speaker 2: needed one. When I went on the Bachelorette. I was
Speaker 2: at a point in my life where Mum had just
Speaker 2: been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 1: That changed my.
Speaker 2: Perspective on everything. I'd always moved around for jobs because
Speaker 2: my job came first, My career came first, and relationships
Speaker 2: had inevitably fallen apart because of that because I was
Speaker 2: up and leaving and going into state numerous times. So
Speaker 2: when Mum was diagnosed, that really changed that perspective.
Speaker 1: I kind of went, well, who do I have?
Speaker 2: What do I have as my support if the worst happens.
Speaker 2: I also looked at Mum and Dad and their relationship,
Speaker 2: and Mum going through that and having Dad there made
Speaker 2: me look at that and.
Speaker 1: Go, oh, that it is. It is pretty.
Speaker 2: Important to have support and love if you can find it.
Speaker 2: So that's pretty important, it is, George, I do have
Speaker 2: support and love around me. Of course it doesn't have
Speaker 2: such a siting is still. I mean to give credit
Speaker 2: to Lee, not that you're not giving always will, but
Speaker 2: what an extraordinary man to fall in love with you
Speaker 2: and then to shoulder your burdens with you. That came
Speaker 2: so rapidly and unexpected. In with young love, you don't.
Speaker 3: Normally expect that you're going to fall in love with
Speaker 3: a girl who's in the process of saying goodbye to
Speaker 3: her mum.
Speaker 2: All of those things are so hard on him. He
Speaker 2: has been an amazing support through those times. He's been
Speaker 2: very supportive of me through all those stages. And I
Speaker 2: don't think people give the partners of someone going through
Speaker 2: quote unquote something the time and respect.
Speaker 1: That they need as well.
Speaker 2: Because people were rallying around me when Mum had died,
Speaker 2: but he was shouldering that too.
Speaker 1: That was difficult on him too. He didn't know how
Speaker 1: to deal with it.
Speaker 2: When I lost my job and felt like public enemy
Speaker 2: number one for a long time. That was difficult for
Speaker 2: him because I was in the depths of that sounds
Speaker 2: so dramatic, depths of despair, but I was very not
Speaker 2: well mentally for quite some time, and he's trying to
Speaker 2: pick me up through that too, and that of course
Speaker 2: affected his life.
Speaker 1: You know, people go through.
Speaker 2: Things at different stages of their lives. We have both
Speaker 2: and each gone through big things in our nine years together,
Speaker 2: and things that inevitably have changed us as people. And
Speaker 2: some of those things we have grown together through and
Speaker 2: other parts we've sadly grown apart, probably due to those
Speaker 2: changes in who we are as people because of the situations.
Speaker 3: Well, pressure makes diamonds, and pressure can also cleave a
Speaker 3: mountain into Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: And we've been through so much in nine years, good
Speaker 2: and bad, and unfortunately the relationship has ended in terms
Speaker 2: of being each other's romantic partner. But we have weathered
Speaker 2: a lot together and have a deep, deep love and
Speaker 2: respect for each other, and I truly hope we always will.
Speaker 2: I think we always will, but I hope we always will.
Speaker 1: I think in a.
Speaker 3: Breakup after a long period of time, which I've also had,
Speaker 3: you almost if there's deep love there have to help
Speaker 3: each other navigate through it, which is so painful. But
Speaker 3: it's a measure of the it's a measure of the connection.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Because I don't know, I've never had to go through
Speaker 2: a really hard period without him, yes, which I probably
Speaker 2: never thought about that really until just then.
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 2: The first bad thing that ever happened to me was
Speaker 2: losing my mum.
Speaker 1: So give me a hand, oh my darling. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think that's a really hard part of this as well.
Speaker 2: We are helping each other through it as much as
Speaker 2: we can, but realistically there's obviously parts of it we
Speaker 2: can't either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. I've just never I never expected to
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you always try to look for the
Speaker 3: lesson in something, which is sometimes an exercise in tedium
Speaker 3: or listening to people do it on podcasts, But if
Speaker 3: there is something that you have learned through you know,
Speaker 3: the battering of life, and like you said, there's worse batterings,
Speaker 3: but it's battering.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely battering.
Speaker 3: You don't have to be qualifying what you have suffered
Speaker 3: and what you have lost.
Speaker 1: What have you learned about grief?
Speaker 2: Well, that everyone faces it, that there are so many
Speaker 2: different levels of it and facets of it.
Speaker 1: I think we use the word grief to talk about
Speaker 1: the loss of someone.
Speaker 2: I think grief is usually spoken about in terms of
Speaker 2: the death of someone, but grief can come in many forms.
Speaker 2: Deep down, the feeling of loss is the same, but
Speaker 2: different shapes. I think the loss of Mum is very
Speaker 2: different because that's something that cannot be changed and will
Speaker 2: not be changed, and it's looking forward to a hopefully
Speaker 2: long life of that loss always being there. Nothing and
Speaker 2: no one will replace that. The loss of the friend
Speaker 2: that can be filled because I've got other beautiful friends,
Speaker 2: the loss of my partnership with Lee, that exact hole
Speaker 2: won't be filled because every relationship is different. But I
Speaker 2: don't look ahead to the rest of my life and
Speaker 2: think that that will be a hole forever like I
Speaker 2: do with a loss of mum.
Speaker 3: Right, angus, have you got any tissues? Sorry? So sorry, No,
Speaker 3: I just I could use one as well. Actually, what
Speaker 3: a terrible mother I am, What a terrible mother?
Speaker 1: I have tissues in my bag. I know him from.
Speaker 3: Your public falling in love and that he's not a
Speaker 3: shallow character. No, no, And he's a person of great
Speaker 3: depth and also had a huge and has I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming has a huge love for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also it's in your name. There will be
Speaker 1: more laugh There will.
Speaker 3: Be more laugh, yes, I hope, so I believe there
Speaker 3: will be two. Are you too immersed in where you
Speaker 3: are at the moment to have a forward projection for yourself,
Speaker 3: even in a vague sort of sceense. Is there even
Speaker 3: a shape on your mental vision board of your future? No?
Speaker 2: But they're also they kind of never has been because
Speaker 2: I don't know if I blame this on my career
Speaker 2: or if it is it is realistically because of my career.
Speaker 2: But there's not a clear path in the media industry.
Speaker 1: And certainly not anymore. Oh gosh, no, exactly.
Speaker 2: So I've always been of that belief that I've not
Speaker 2: ever had a five year plan and gone, I'll do this,
Speaker 2: so I can do that, so I can do that
Speaker 2: in my career.
Speaker 1: So I haven't done that in my life.
Speaker 2: Either, because opportunities come, opportunities go away. I don't think
Speaker 2: you can plan out anything really solidly, and if you
Speaker 2: try to, you're more likely going to feel disappointed. So
Speaker 2: I don't believe in these resolutions either. I don't know
Speaker 2: what's going to happen that year. What about personally? Like
Speaker 2: the is a relationship something that you want?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is? It is. I love having a partner
Speaker 1: through life.
Speaker 2: I've got very close friendships, and I deeply love my
Speaker 2: poetry people.
Speaker 1: My cat is the love of my life.
Speaker 2: She really is, and now officially the longest relationship I've
Speaker 2: ever had, which is a bit sad, right, how long
Speaker 2: she's ten?
Speaker 1: Right? I had her for always, haid, I had her
Speaker 1: for you before I had to leave, and he had
Speaker 1: to get over his allergies and dislike for cats. Yes,
Speaker 1: and he did so very well. He's a very good
Speaker 1: cat dad.
Speaker 2: No, I think personally, for me, I need to get
Speaker 2: through this period. It's not quick, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: quick to go through any of this. I'm very lucky
Speaker 2: to feel there's that word again, to feel very solid
Speaker 2: in my work at the moment and really enjoying that.
Speaker 2: So I know I've got that to focus on as
Speaker 2: I deal with and move forward with everything else.
Speaker 3: Do you do you think, because I say this as
Speaker 3: a mother, I believe that a mother's love is the
Speaker 3: most enduring love. Do you feel like your mum is
Speaker 3: with you and will guide you through this?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I'm not particularly spiritual. I don't, you know, feel her
Speaker 2: with me or anything. But I think the way I
Speaker 2: feel like she's with me is because she was a
Speaker 2: very strong woman and very opinionated, and we always knew
Speaker 2: what she was thinking. And this is something we laugh
Speaker 2: about in the family, is you know, at least will
Speaker 2: never be sitting here going, oh God, what would mom say?
Speaker 1: She would say?
Speaker 2: And I do find comfort in that as well, because
Speaker 2: I don't sit there and think, you know, God, what
Speaker 2: would she tell me to do?
Speaker 1: What's been really hard is not.
Speaker 4: Having her here through this period. There have been so
Speaker 4: many times that I've just said, I just want my mom.
Speaker 4: I don't think it matters what age you are. I
Speaker 4: just want my mom. Yeah, but that's life, isn't it.
Speaker 4: That's one of the fuck things about Yeah.
Speaker 3: As well, like this, I know and I love that
Speaker 3: you can say still talk about yourself as lucky, which
Speaker 3: you are.
Speaker 1: Fortunate in many ways. We know that.
Speaker 3: Your mother has also bestowed her blessings upon you already,
Speaker 3: like beauty and grace, and I am very stamina musicals.
Speaker 1: That's definitely her fault.
Speaker 2: One thing I really have grappled with, and that's been
Speaker 2: very difficult for me, is.
Speaker 1: The fact that Lee met mum. She was very, very sick,
Speaker 1: he did, but she knew him. Yeah, she died.
Speaker 2: Knowing I was with him. And it's been very difficult
Speaker 2: to think about the prospect of potentially.
Speaker 3: Being someone else that doesn't know your mom, that didn't
Speaker 3: know your mom, and that she didn't she didn't know.
Speaker 2: And I know that silly, because whether you're spiritual or not.
Speaker 2: If you're not spiritual, you go, what doesn't matter. She
Speaker 2: doesn't know anyway, she's dead. If you are spiritual, you go, well,
Speaker 2: she knows what's going on with you all the time.
Speaker 1: But I feel sad that she.
Speaker 2: Thought my life was going one way and it has
Speaker 2: that path has changed.
Speaker 1: I feel sad about that as well. I feel sad.
Speaker 1: I'm just sad.
Speaker 3: There is stuff to be sad about, and that is
Speaker 3: part of the journey of life, is that some things
Speaker 3: will make you sad and some things will make you happy.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: And I'm having both of them all the time. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not just in a period of all darkness.
Speaker 1: At you join my life. I've established that you're very lucky.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I want anyone here, and I had to
Speaker 1: go for exactly exactly. I just don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: anyone to you know what, Oh God, where things happen.
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: Some things you just have to let in and settle,
Speaker 3: even though it's like being in yoga when the stretch
Speaker 3: is so painful that monkey mind just wants to make
Speaker 3: you run away from it. And I hope the road
Speaker 3: rises to meet you because.
Speaker 1: You've shared yourself.
Speaker 3: So much with people, and I even think that this
Speaker 3: exchange will help so many people. So much of what
Speaker 3: you're experiencing is is just universal.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, I'm not special. You know, lots of
Speaker 1: people go through you can also be special. You can
Speaker 1: also be special. Okay, you're so self effacing. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: very confident in myself.
Speaker 2: I am so I'm not only self effacing at all.
Speaker 1: I know what it is.
Speaker 3: I know that you don't want to be seen and
Speaker 3: we all have that to be, you know, to be
Speaker 3: sort of like self absorbed or like suffering or the
Speaker 3: fact is sometimes there's shit to cry about.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, and I do is the time, and
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I think one thing from doing my podcast everyone has
Speaker 2: an X is hearing everyone's story. So the way that
Speaker 2: I do that show is I sit down with the
Speaker 2: person and interview them is probably the wrong term. They
Speaker 2: tell me their story and those interviews go for about
Speaker 2: two and a half hours every time, and every person's
Speaker 2: story is different. Every person's story has touched them and
Speaker 2: changed them in a way and has been devastating for them,
Speaker 2: and then being able to put that story out there
Speaker 2: for other people. And the feedback that I get from
Speaker 2: that is that other people's stories have helped them, even
Speaker 2: if it's one person that hears and goes I'm not
Speaker 2: alone in feeling that.
Speaker 1: And yes, I suppose the irony of it all is it.
Speaker 1: Everyone does, Yes, they do. Some people have more than one. Yes.
Speaker 1: Georgia Love, I love you, Oh, I love you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you for letting me cry
Speaker 2: and name musicals and talk about Petri.
Speaker 1: Two of my at least two of them are my
Speaker 1: favorite things. Thank you a musical. Oh, there we go.
Speaker 3: I think it's always a bit of an honor to
Speaker 3: get to talk to someone about love and loss, and
Speaker 3: in the context of Georgia who had lost her mum,
Speaker 3: it's always interesting to feel and to hear what she
Speaker 3: wishes she could tell her. Also, what fun to talk
Speaker 3: about show tunes? And that's life, isn't it. It's hard
Speaker 3: and it's easy, and it's dark and it's light. If
Speaker 3: you would like to listen to Georgia Love's podcast, everyone
Speaker 3: has an X.
Speaker 1: We put a link in the show notes.
Speaker 3: The executive producer of No Filter is Naima Brown and
Speaker 3: the senior producer is Grace Rufrey. Audio production is by
Speaker 3: Jacob Brown and I'm your host, Kateline Brook.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.