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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA mia podcast. Mama Miya acknowledges

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Speaker 2: That's been a big part of what has been difficult

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm getting teary about this because it's so silly,

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Speaker 2: because it's not about anyone else. But so many people

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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm Kate lane Brook and welcome to No Filter.

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Speaker 3: Georgia Love and yes that is her real name, has

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Speaker 3: always had a lot of love to give. Almost a

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Speaker 3: decade ago, she stepped onto our screens as the bachelorette

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Speaker 3: search for just that love. She found it too, forming

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Speaker 3: a relationship in the public eye that captured hearts around

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Speaker 3: Georgia is no stranger to loss, both the kind she's

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Speaker 3: fought fiercely to keep private from losing her mum just

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Speaker 3: days after her Bachelorette finale aired to navigating a very

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Speaker 3: public cancelation, stepping away from her career, losing friendships, and

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Speaker 3: Georgia has weathered more storms than most each time she's

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Speaker 3: picked herself up, rebuilt her life, and somehow stayed open hearted, resilient, vulnerable,

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Speaker 3: and tougher than she often gets credit. It four Georgia

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Speaker 3: Love is a woman who has lived many lives in

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Speaker 3: one and I think by the end of this conversation

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Speaker 3: Georgia Love too. Georgia Love, Hello, welcome to No Filter.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's lovely to have you here in this chair. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's lovely to have you there in that chair. We

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Speaker 3: that since you first came to our attention. Bachelorette twenty sixteen. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: the most remarkable that everyone, the whole nation was like,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that's why I got the gig. The promos

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Speaker 3: Was, It's amazing. So Love is a blessing and has

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Speaker 2: Life, maybe, yeah, very much. I would hope it's everybody's.

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Speaker 2: I think as humans, we all strive for love, be

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Speaker 1: What's the point otherwise one minute in and already wisdom

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Speaker 1: my name by nature, Kate.

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Speaker 3: I have to believe that you know that self fulfilling prophecy.

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Speaker 3: certain course. You also have a podcast, a very successful

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Speaker 1: Have an X.

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm putting the everyone in everyone has an X. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: It's true, you know, we all do. And I think

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Speaker 1: Anyway. I feel very weird calling him my ex husband.

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Speaker 1: Horrible love, terrible disgusted. We'll say again, it's in my name.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any long term relationship at all, let

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Speaker 3: There's an intimacy that the public have with you because

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Speaker 2: But people have been so wonderful following our story along

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Speaker 2: That is what has moved me the most. To use

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Speaker 2: It's only ever online. And of course I knew there

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Speaker 2: We met on a reality TV show, We fell in love,

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Speaker 2: That's not a failure of the relationship. It's not another

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Speaker 2: This opportunity has come to me for a reason, this

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere. If you look at the unimaginable but

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Speaker 2: The biggest commentary from people you know, openly and loudly publicly,

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Speaker 2: But you know, there were a number of people who

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Speaker 3: But also there needs to be some sort of perspective,

444
00:25:05,405 --> 00:25:08,365
Speaker 3: which and that's why a lot of the time, perspective

445
00:25:08,485 --> 00:25:09,925
Speaker 3: wasn't around.

446
00:25:09,965 --> 00:25:11,285
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it is now.

447
00:25:11,645 --> 00:25:14,365
Speaker 3: But I also think that people are in a period

448
00:25:14,405 --> 00:25:19,125
Speaker 3: of disconnection from themselves. We live in a time we

449
00:25:19,245 --> 00:25:21,965
Speaker 3: have had to put the you know, the cross the

450
00:25:22,005 --> 00:25:26,845
Speaker 3: street lights on the pavement, and I myself am in

451
00:25:26,885 --> 00:25:29,965
Speaker 3: the grip of the you know, it's a it's a

452
00:25:29,965 --> 00:25:33,485
Speaker 3: proper thing. And as people feel that they're connected, they're

453
00:25:33,565 --> 00:25:39,165
Speaker 3: actually increasingly disconnected in that situation. And I work in

454
00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:40,925
Speaker 3: the media, as you know, and there are times when

455
00:25:40,965 --> 00:25:43,805
Speaker 3: you get blowback on stuff and you reflect yourself, like

456
00:25:43,885 --> 00:25:46,405
Speaker 3: what role did I play in this? You always have

457
00:25:46,485 --> 00:25:49,325
Speaker 3: to do this in a relationship, in a friendship whatever.

458
00:25:50,965 --> 00:25:51,205
Speaker 1: I mean.

459
00:25:51,245 --> 00:25:54,325
Speaker 3: I'm not you, obviously, but I can't see it for you.

460
00:25:54,485 --> 00:25:56,685
Speaker 3: I can't see what it is about you.

461
00:25:57,165 --> 00:25:58,365
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

462
00:25:58,485 --> 00:26:04,285
Speaker 2: I seem to be easy to dislike. I guess I

463
00:26:04,485 --> 00:26:08,005
Speaker 2: don't think I'm unlikable. It maybe feels like it's almost

464
00:26:08,045 --> 00:26:12,645
Speaker 2: the opposite. I think I've been nice and I've been kind,

465
00:26:12,685 --> 00:26:15,005
Speaker 2: and I've kind of kept my head down and just

466
00:26:15,045 --> 00:26:17,845
Speaker 2: done my work and enjoyed that and enjoyed my life.

467
00:26:17,965 --> 00:26:19,885
Speaker 1: And maybe that's.

468
00:26:19,685 --> 00:26:23,165
Speaker 2: The reason people go, oh, there's something, there's something there.

469
00:26:23,725 --> 00:26:26,245
Speaker 2: You know, there are people too good to be true,

470
00:26:26,765 --> 00:26:29,685
Speaker 2: almost like you know, it's too nice, it must be

471
00:26:29,725 --> 00:26:32,845
Speaker 2: something got to rip it down. There are people who

472
00:26:34,085 --> 00:26:37,685
Speaker 2: say and do things that you know are wrong or

473
00:26:37,685 --> 00:26:40,565
Speaker 2: are taken in the wrong way. They're people who are

474
00:26:40,645 --> 00:26:46,085
Speaker 2: always outspoken, so it's almost like the pushback and the

475
00:26:46,205 --> 00:26:49,725
Speaker 2: strength that comes from them sharing their opinions so often

476
00:26:50,245 --> 00:26:53,005
Speaker 2: means they can say the wrong thing and go, Okay,

477
00:26:53,005 --> 00:26:54,685
Speaker 2: I acknowledge that was the wrong thing, but we'll move

478
00:26:54,685 --> 00:26:57,365
Speaker 2: on and no one cares. But because and probably because

479
00:26:57,405 --> 00:27:00,885
Speaker 2: I've always worked in news, I don't talk about my opinions.

480
00:27:00,925 --> 00:27:05,565
Speaker 3: I don't strogers and userider has to. Yeah, I'm high

481
00:27:06,085 --> 00:27:09,005
Speaker 3: neutrality to it. I'm strong in my personality.

482
00:27:09,045 --> 00:27:11,965
Speaker 2: But I've never been someone that's, you know, had one

483
00:27:12,005 --> 00:27:14,165
Speaker 2: of those podcasts where you sit there and talk about

484
00:27:14,205 --> 00:27:16,525
Speaker 2: your opinion on what's happened on the news this week

485
00:27:16,605 --> 00:27:18,725
Speaker 2: or what someone has said on social media.

486
00:27:18,885 --> 00:27:22,005
Speaker 3: So maybe is there a part of you now that thinks,

487
00:27:22,005 --> 00:27:24,845
Speaker 3: oh fuck it, I may as well, or are you just.

488
00:27:24,805 --> 00:27:25,845
Speaker 1: Not wired that way.

489
00:27:26,085 --> 00:27:28,525
Speaker 2: I'm not wired that way, I think from being in

490
00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:33,405
Speaker 2: news forever. But if anything, that period has made me

491
00:27:33,685 --> 00:27:38,685
Speaker 2: more guarded, not guarded about what I say, really guarded

492
00:27:39,005 --> 00:27:39,765
Speaker 2: in myself.

493
00:27:40,205 --> 00:27:43,685
Speaker 1: Put a lot of walls up from that.

494
00:27:43,725 --> 00:27:49,205
Speaker 2: That period really damaged me and really has changed me

495
00:27:49,485 --> 00:27:54,485
Speaker 2: as a person. Not my nature or my core, but

496
00:27:55,725 --> 00:27:58,485
Speaker 2: the way I react to things or where my mind

497
00:27:58,845 --> 00:28:02,045
Speaker 2: jumps to. You know, still to this day, if or

498
00:28:02,045 --> 00:28:04,765
Speaker 2: when my boss calls me, my heart sinks and I go,

499
00:28:04,845 --> 00:28:05,805
Speaker 2: oh God, what's happened.

500
00:28:06,205 --> 00:28:09,765
Speaker 1: What's happened? I can't shake that.

501
00:28:09,845 --> 00:28:12,845
Speaker 2: And you know, I've done work and I've moved on

502
00:28:12,965 --> 00:28:14,805
Speaker 2: from that period in my life. But it really has

503
00:28:14,925 --> 00:28:20,405
Speaker 2: changed me. It made me probably go inwards a lot

504
00:28:20,445 --> 00:28:25,805
Speaker 2: more and be a bit more independent in myself because

505
00:28:26,925 --> 00:28:30,805
Speaker 2: it's probably taught me that you can only rely on

506
00:28:30,885 --> 00:28:33,645
Speaker 2: yourself everything you do and say you're the one that's

507
00:28:33,685 --> 00:28:38,325
Speaker 2: accountable for And yeah, it's probably made me go within

508
00:28:38,965 --> 00:28:42,125
Speaker 2: a bit more. And then even shortly after that time,

509
00:28:42,965 --> 00:28:47,205
Speaker 2: I had a really bad friendship breakup, which I think

510
00:28:47,245 --> 00:28:52,805
Speaker 2: that people don't place enough emphasis on how heartbreaking they

511
00:28:52,885 --> 00:28:57,445
Speaker 2: can be. Yes, and that compounding on top of losing

512
00:28:57,445 --> 00:29:00,525
Speaker 2: my job as well, kind of all within the space

513
00:29:00,565 --> 00:29:01,765
Speaker 2: of about six months.

514
00:29:02,845 --> 00:29:06,885
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of really changed to my So this friendship,

515
00:29:07,485 --> 00:29:09,245
Speaker 1: what was the nature of this friendship?

516
00:29:09,765 --> 00:29:14,565
Speaker 2: Seventeen years of best friends, very very close, the person

517
00:29:14,605 --> 00:29:17,845
Speaker 2: that was literally sitting in the hotel room the second

518
00:29:17,965 --> 00:29:23,525
Speaker 2: I finished filming Bachelorette there with open arms, and that

519
00:29:23,725 --> 00:29:26,965
Speaker 2: friendship fell apart for reasons I still don't understand and

520
00:29:27,045 --> 00:29:29,445
Speaker 2: have come to terms with the fact that I won't.

521
00:29:29,965 --> 00:29:33,085
Speaker 2: But that was really traumatic, and I think people don't

522
00:29:33,765 --> 00:29:36,165
Speaker 2: think about that. People think about the loss of romantic

523
00:29:36,245 --> 00:29:41,165
Speaker 2: relationships and realize that for someone else. If you're going

524
00:29:41,245 --> 00:29:46,645
Speaker 2: through a separation or you've been dumped or you've been divorced,

525
00:29:47,485 --> 00:29:52,485
Speaker 2: people sympathize with that more. But I think friendship breakups

526
00:29:52,485 --> 00:29:54,485
Speaker 2: aren't given gravity.

527
00:29:54,565 --> 00:29:55,125
Speaker 1: That they aren't.

528
00:29:55,125 --> 00:30:01,165
Speaker 2: They are devastating. That was a real grief for me

529
00:30:01,365 --> 00:30:07,165
Speaker 2: and remains that way. But life changes, relationships change, people change,

530
00:30:07,205 --> 00:30:09,685
Speaker 2: and this is what I'm learning more more.

531
00:30:10,565 --> 00:30:11,645
Speaker 1: Can you give me your hand?

532
00:30:11,765 --> 00:30:17,285
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, oh my goodness.

533
00:30:17,045 --> 00:30:20,445
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. People go through so much worse, people

534
00:30:20,445 --> 00:30:21,325
Speaker 1: go through so much.

535
00:30:21,365 --> 00:30:23,925
Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't. They're not in the room with us. Now,

536
00:30:24,165 --> 00:30:25,805
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? You don't have to

537
00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:29,365
Speaker 3: have everything bad happen to you in the world for

538
00:30:29,485 --> 00:30:31,925
Speaker 3: what's happening to you to not be bad.

539
00:30:32,965 --> 00:30:34,165
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know what I mean?

540
00:30:34,205 --> 00:30:39,805
Speaker 3: And you've had You've had a lot in a quite

541
00:30:40,765 --> 00:30:42,405
Speaker 3: compressed period of time.

542
00:30:42,885 --> 00:30:43,085
Speaker 1: Yeah.

543
00:30:44,045 --> 00:30:45,765
Speaker 2: I do laugh about the fact that I had a

544
00:30:45,885 --> 00:30:50,725
Speaker 2: very very, very easy and wonderful and privileged twenty seven years, right.

545
00:30:50,805 --> 00:30:53,965
Speaker 2: I feel like someone or something up above went, oh shit,

546
00:30:54,045 --> 00:30:54,725
Speaker 2: we forgot.

547
00:30:54,445 --> 00:30:56,125
Speaker 1: To give any bad things to Georgia.

548
00:30:56,085 --> 00:30:59,485
Speaker 3: Just because it is like that, is it that seven

549
00:30:59,565 --> 00:31:02,845
Speaker 3: year cycle? But hang on, I know that's a nine

550
00:31:02,885 --> 00:31:04,405
Speaker 3: year cycle three twenty seven.

551
00:31:04,445 --> 00:31:04,965
Speaker 1: Well, there we go.

552
00:31:05,045 --> 00:31:07,485
Speaker 2: That makes sense because it's nine years this time and

553
00:31:07,925 --> 00:31:10,525
Speaker 2: Lee and I have just split, so there's it's the nineties.

554
00:31:10,765 --> 00:31:11,005
Speaker 1: Wow.

555
00:31:11,205 --> 00:31:14,885
Speaker 3: But also I think that I mean, I'm not a shrink,

556
00:31:15,605 --> 00:31:18,525
Speaker 3: but we know a lot more now about trauma and

557
00:31:18,525 --> 00:31:21,445
Speaker 3: we recognize it in ourselves and loss and you know,

558
00:31:21,645 --> 00:31:28,485
Speaker 3: PTSDN to a certain extent, these terms are almost by

559
00:31:28,605 --> 00:31:31,725
Speaker 3: being bandied about, but I don't think in your case

560
00:31:31,845 --> 00:31:37,685
Speaker 3: that they are. So what processing have you even you're

561
00:31:37,685 --> 00:31:41,605
Speaker 3: talking about losing your girlfriend and I've had and most

562
00:31:41,645 --> 00:31:43,045
Speaker 3: of our listeners will have had.

563
00:31:44,565 --> 00:31:45,685
Speaker 1: Some experience of that.

564
00:31:46,125 --> 00:31:50,605
Speaker 3: It is so it is down to the bedrock of

565
00:31:50,645 --> 00:31:54,925
Speaker 3: your soul, because as you said, there's a lot of

566
00:31:54,925 --> 00:31:58,045
Speaker 3: respect paid for if people have lost a romantic love

567
00:31:58,205 --> 00:32:01,605
Speaker 3: or even a parent or a relative or whatever. But

568
00:32:02,125 --> 00:32:05,925
Speaker 3: what's not factored into the loss of a true friend

569
00:32:06,685 --> 00:32:10,325
Speaker 3: is that you have opened yourself to them in ways

570
00:32:10,365 --> 00:32:12,685
Speaker 3: that you never do to your parent or even to

571
00:32:12,765 --> 00:32:13,365
Speaker 3: a partner.

572
00:32:13,605 --> 00:32:14,005
Speaker 1: That's it.

573
00:32:14,085 --> 00:32:15,765
Speaker 2: And there's also the side of it as well that

574
00:32:15,925 --> 00:32:22,405
Speaker 2: with a romantic relationship, if you are monogamous, then that

575
00:32:22,565 --> 00:32:25,245
Speaker 2: is the one person you're choosing to be with. So

576
00:32:26,525 --> 00:32:29,525
Speaker 2: it does get to a point for many people that

577
00:32:30,165 --> 00:32:33,965
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, that's the person that isn't going to

578
00:32:34,005 --> 00:32:37,125
Speaker 2: be your one person that you're in a romantic relationship with.

579
00:32:37,565 --> 00:32:39,685
Speaker 2: But friendships you can have as many as you want,

580
00:32:40,525 --> 00:32:45,685
Speaker 2: So a friendship breakup or friendship loss cuts really deep

581
00:32:45,765 --> 00:32:48,805
Speaker 2: because you kind of go, well, you can have as

582
00:32:48,845 --> 00:32:51,245
Speaker 2: many as you want, so to choose not to have

583
00:32:51,365 --> 00:32:53,925
Speaker 2: someone anymore feels like more of a choice.

584
00:32:54,525 --> 00:32:57,765
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, you know what I mean. I do think that.

585
00:32:59,245 --> 00:33:04,325
Speaker 3: It's a painful tiara to be crowned with. But some people,

586
00:33:05,805 --> 00:33:12,205
Speaker 3: I respect you for show yourself and showing your loss

587
00:33:12,285 --> 00:33:15,765
Speaker 3: and showing your pain. And I don't mean that in

588
00:33:15,805 --> 00:33:19,045
Speaker 3: a victimy kind of way. These are just these are.

589
00:33:18,925 --> 00:33:21,725
Speaker 2: Just things that have happened, things that have happened, and

590
00:33:21,765 --> 00:33:25,885
Speaker 2: I think the kind of look at those three losses,

591
00:33:25,925 --> 00:33:29,725
Speaker 2: let's call it that mum, my job, and my friend.

592
00:33:30,445 --> 00:33:33,765
Speaker 2: The grief of those things has been very different, of course,

593
00:33:34,125 --> 00:33:38,285
Speaker 2: but has really compounded, but they've all been things that

594
00:33:38,325 --> 00:33:43,245
Speaker 2: have happened that I haven't expected or I haven't really

595
00:33:43,325 --> 00:33:46,365
Speaker 2: had a conscious choice. In of course, I had no

596
00:33:46,605 --> 00:33:47,605
Speaker 2: say over whether.

597
00:33:47,445 --> 00:33:48,245
Speaker 1: Mum died or not.

598
00:33:48,405 --> 00:33:52,725
Speaker 2: I didn't expect to lose my job. I didn't expect

599
00:33:52,725 --> 00:33:58,205
Speaker 2: to lose this friend. So with Lee and I separating,

600
00:33:59,205 --> 00:34:04,805
Speaker 2: one of the hardest parts of that has been choosing

601
00:34:05,205 --> 00:34:07,925
Speaker 2: to enter into a period of loss and grief again

602
00:34:08,485 --> 00:34:14,965
Speaker 2: right because I'm so tired, and it was very, very hard.

603
00:34:15,525 --> 00:34:17,085
Speaker 2: At the end of last year, there was a lot

604
00:34:17,085 --> 00:34:21,285
Speaker 2: of speculation around whether we had split. You know, we'll

605
00:34:21,365 --> 00:34:25,205
Speaker 2: being followed a bit to see if we were seen together.

606
00:34:24,965 --> 00:34:27,245
Speaker 1: Or whether we were wearing our wedding rings or anything.

607
00:34:27,285 --> 00:34:30,405
Speaker 2: And I understand that that's part of being in the

608
00:34:30,445 --> 00:34:33,565
Speaker 2: public eye, especially because we met in a public way.

609
00:34:33,845 --> 00:34:37,565
Speaker 2: I do understand that, so I don't begrudge that, but

610
00:34:37,605 --> 00:34:39,885
Speaker 2: it was very very hard while I was trying to

611
00:34:39,885 --> 00:34:44,245
Speaker 2: come to terms with what was happening. Because Lee and

612
00:34:44,285 --> 00:34:47,325
Speaker 2: I have made this decision together doesn't mean it makes

613
00:34:47,365 --> 00:34:47,885
Speaker 2: me happy.

614
00:34:48,365 --> 00:34:48,965
Speaker 1: It doesn't.

615
00:34:49,205 --> 00:34:53,365
Speaker 2: I'm really really sad about it, and trying to process

616
00:34:53,445 --> 00:34:56,165
Speaker 2: that myself.

617
00:34:57,725 --> 00:34:58,485
Speaker 1: Was hard enough.

618
00:34:59,645 --> 00:35:02,725
Speaker 2: Deciding to or knowing when was the right time to

619
00:35:03,845 --> 00:35:05,885
Speaker 2: put it out there publicly, which.

620
00:35:07,085 --> 00:35:08,285
Speaker 1: No one should have to.

621
00:35:08,325 --> 00:35:10,565
Speaker 2: And no, we didn't have too, but we felt like

622
00:35:10,685 --> 00:35:12,285
Speaker 2: that was the right thing to do.

623
00:35:13,845 --> 00:35:17,245
Speaker 1: But that's not a reason to stay in something either.

624
00:35:17,885 --> 00:35:20,245
Speaker 3: I was having this conversation with a girlfriend of mine

625
00:35:21,085 --> 00:35:25,325
Speaker 3: only last week, and she lost her dad when he

626
00:35:25,405 --> 00:35:29,405
Speaker 3: was six when she was sixteen, and she's just had

627
00:35:29,645 --> 00:35:32,765
Speaker 3: a lot of grief in her life. And she's one

628
00:35:32,765 --> 00:35:35,565
Speaker 3: of these really brave people who, when she sees it

629
00:35:35,605 --> 00:35:38,685
Speaker 3: in other people, runs towards it to be of assistance.

630
00:35:39,645 --> 00:35:43,685
Speaker 3: But she said a similar thing. She said she now

631
00:35:44,005 --> 00:35:46,925
Speaker 3: realizes she needs and she's had therapy and whatever, and

632
00:35:46,925 --> 00:35:49,525
Speaker 3: she works as a counselor to other grieving.

633
00:35:49,365 --> 00:35:51,405
Speaker 1: Wow, amazing people.

634
00:35:51,485 --> 00:35:58,165
Speaker 3: But she's realized herself now that as you travel through life,

635
00:35:58,325 --> 00:36:00,885
Speaker 3: more bad things are going to happen. That's it, and there's

636
00:36:00,885 --> 00:36:02,885
Speaker 3: going to be more grief and more loss. And she said,

637
00:36:03,765 --> 00:36:07,965
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't take it. I can't take it.

638
00:36:09,485 --> 00:36:14,205
Speaker 3: So now she's gone looking for, you know, a deep

639
00:36:14,285 --> 00:36:17,405
Speaker 3: dive to work out how she can take it.

640
00:36:17,685 --> 00:36:20,925
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the thing too, that's what I have felt.

641
00:36:21,925 --> 00:36:25,445
Speaker 2: But you do because you have to, because that's life.

642
00:36:25,645 --> 00:36:28,405
Speaker 2: You say, you're going to go through bad things, some

643
00:36:29,645 --> 00:36:31,805
Speaker 2: that you know you're going to go through, some that

644
00:36:31,845 --> 00:36:32,805
Speaker 2: come unexpectedly.

645
00:36:33,005 --> 00:36:34,005
Speaker 1: Yes, a lot.

646
00:36:33,845 --> 00:36:35,965
Speaker 2: Of people say to me, you know, how did you

647
00:36:36,005 --> 00:36:38,365
Speaker 2: get through that period, or how did you do that?

648
00:36:38,525 --> 00:36:41,125
Speaker 1: You shouldn't do it. People will always say that I

649
00:36:41,165 --> 00:36:43,565
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. Yes, you could. You have to, You

650
00:36:43,645 --> 00:36:46,485
Speaker 1: have to. That's the cards that life has dealt.

651
00:36:50,005 --> 00:36:53,405
Speaker 3: That's not all of my conversation with Georgia. Up next,

652
00:36:53,445 --> 00:36:56,565
Speaker 3: we talk about how she started the process of healing

653
00:36:57,205 --> 00:37:01,885
Speaker 3: after her split and the magical powers of friendship.

654
00:37:07,125 --> 00:37:09,885
Speaker 1: What do you do? So you went overseas?

655
00:37:10,205 --> 00:37:13,245
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did so, and that trip had always been planned.

656
00:37:13,285 --> 00:37:16,045
Speaker 2: So one of my best friends in the world, who

657
00:37:16,045 --> 00:37:17,645
Speaker 2: I met on the school bus when we were.

658
00:37:17,565 --> 00:37:21,165
Speaker 1: Fifteen, he moved to New York a.

659
00:37:21,165 --> 00:37:25,405
Speaker 3: Year ago, so I handed and he loves musical theater

660
00:37:25,485 --> 00:37:26,565
Speaker 3: as well, so perfect.

661
00:37:26,605 --> 00:37:29,645
Speaker 2: We spent the whole time on Broadway. I had always

662
00:37:29,645 --> 00:37:31,845
Speaker 2: planned to go there. It was going to be my

663
00:37:32,005 --> 00:37:35,525
Speaker 2: first Christmas and New Year period without him, which sounds

664
00:37:35,565 --> 00:37:37,765
Speaker 2: like such a funny thing, but he was very much

665
00:37:37,805 --> 00:37:40,565
Speaker 2: part of my family as well, so I had always

666
00:37:40,605 --> 00:37:42,405
Speaker 2: planned to go and spend that time with him in

667
00:37:42,445 --> 00:37:42,885
Speaker 2: New York.

668
00:37:43,325 --> 00:37:45,525
Speaker 1: Anyway, the timing.

669
00:37:45,205 --> 00:37:49,965
Speaker 2: Just ended up being even more perfect than I realized

670
00:37:50,005 --> 00:37:53,085
Speaker 2: it would be when it was boring, because I went

671
00:37:53,165 --> 00:37:56,605
Speaker 2: over there and spent that time with Aba, my friend,

672
00:37:56,845 --> 00:38:01,005
Speaker 2: and it was amazing taking.

673
00:38:00,645 --> 00:38:02,765
Speaker 1: Myself out of that bubble.

674
00:38:04,005 --> 00:38:06,885
Speaker 2: When you're going through something, no matter what it is,

675
00:38:08,605 --> 00:38:12,125
Speaker 2: it can feel like it is everything. It's taking over

676
00:38:12,165 --> 00:38:15,245
Speaker 2: your life, it's taking over your world, and it's very

677
00:38:15,285 --> 00:38:18,565
Speaker 2: easy to think that other people are all looking at

678
00:38:18,565 --> 00:38:21,845
Speaker 2: you thinking that thing too. But stepping outside of that,

679
00:38:21,885 --> 00:38:26,565
Speaker 2: you realize that isn't everything for everyone else, and even yourself.

680
00:38:26,845 --> 00:38:31,965
Speaker 2: Me physically removing myself from the you know where I

681
00:38:32,045 --> 00:38:35,325
Speaker 2: live and seeing people every day that are asking about

682
00:38:35,325 --> 00:38:36,165
Speaker 2: the relationship and have.

683
00:38:36,205 --> 00:38:39,405
Speaker 1: Any anonymity of being in New York, that's it I was.

684
00:38:39,725 --> 00:38:42,885
Speaker 2: I was meeting people as Arba's friend. You know, no

685
00:38:42,965 --> 00:38:46,365
Speaker 2: one knew or cared had context you, and it was

686
00:38:46,605 --> 00:38:50,525
Speaker 2: very freeing and it was It gave me a lot

687
00:38:50,565 --> 00:38:54,365
Speaker 2: of strength and realizing that I am not just Georgia

688
00:38:54,405 --> 00:38:56,845
Speaker 2: Love who was on the Bachelorette. I've never thought that

689
00:38:56,925 --> 00:39:00,765
Speaker 2: about myself. I'm very strong willed and I have a

690
00:39:00,765 --> 00:39:05,165
Speaker 2: strong belief in myself. But it was also very easy

691
00:39:05,205 --> 00:39:09,205
Speaker 2: to fall into feeling like, well, if I'm not that,

692
00:39:09,405 --> 00:39:11,885
Speaker 2: if I'm no longer with that person, will I have

693
00:39:11,965 --> 00:39:16,725
Speaker 2: disappointed people? And of course I'm meeting people that don't

694
00:39:16,765 --> 00:39:19,325
Speaker 2: know anything about that and don't care anything about that,

695
00:39:20,005 --> 00:39:22,965
Speaker 2: and of course that's not a big deal to anyone.

696
00:39:23,165 --> 00:39:27,965
Speaker 2: I think it made me realize I wasn't I haven't failed,

697
00:39:29,085 --> 00:39:34,645
Speaker 2: I don't le and I's marriage didn't fail. It's ended,

698
00:39:35,005 --> 00:39:37,525
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it's failed. And I think a lot

699
00:39:37,565 --> 00:39:40,965
Speaker 2: of me stepping out of being in the depths of that,

700
00:39:41,765 --> 00:39:44,885
Speaker 2: stepping out of that and spending time with other people,

701
00:39:46,125 --> 00:39:48,125
Speaker 2: not having that be the thing on the front of

702
00:39:48,165 --> 00:39:51,125
Speaker 2: my mind and the thing that everyone is asking about, and.

703
00:39:51,045 --> 00:39:55,445
Speaker 1: You're identifying like you have a brand on your forehead,

704
00:39:55,685 --> 00:39:57,165
Speaker 1: and of course I don't know, I'm not.

705
00:39:57,365 --> 00:40:00,565
Speaker 2: You know, people aren't looking at me and going, oh,

706
00:40:00,645 --> 00:40:02,885
Speaker 2: that's the girl that was on the Bachelorette nine years ago.

707
00:40:02,925 --> 00:40:06,485
Speaker 2: That's not a thing. But it was even in my friendships,

708
00:40:06,525 --> 00:40:11,845
Speaker 2: I really withdrew in myself a lot because I didn't.

709
00:40:12,565 --> 00:40:17,245
Speaker 2: It's so exhausting going through these emotions yourself, let alone,

710
00:40:17,285 --> 00:40:20,245
Speaker 2: then sitting down and always talking about it. But the

711
00:40:20,285 --> 00:40:24,445
Speaker 2: timing of it New York in the end and ended

712
00:40:24,525 --> 00:40:29,205
Speaker 2: up being perfect. What did you see, by the way,

713
00:40:29,365 --> 00:40:32,285
Speaker 2: I saw Hamilton obviously my favorite of all times.

714
00:40:32,965 --> 00:40:39,525
Speaker 1: Sunset Boulevard with Nicole Scherzinger, oh mind, pussy Cat John

715
00:40:40,205 --> 00:40:43,085
Speaker 1: playing She was incredible.

716
00:40:43,805 --> 00:40:48,125
Speaker 2: The Tony Awards so Audra McDonald and Gypsy also amazing.

717
00:40:48,645 --> 00:40:52,205
Speaker 2: I saw Awful One, which was only on for a

718
00:40:52,245 --> 00:40:57,285
Speaker 2: short time, but it was famous Broadway people reading short plays.

719
00:40:57,925 --> 00:41:02,605
Speaker 2: It was amazing. I saw Titanic, which the beautiful Calum Francis.

720
00:41:02,645 --> 00:41:04,845
Speaker 2: So did you see Kinky Boots when it was in Australia?

721
00:41:05,045 --> 00:41:05,365
Speaker 3: No?

722
00:41:05,405 --> 00:41:08,525
Speaker 1: Not so the leading Kinky Boots is over there. Amazing.

723
00:41:08,925 --> 00:41:12,405
Speaker 2: I saw or a show called Teeth maybe happy ending

724
00:41:12,445 --> 00:41:17,045
Speaker 2: and the Outsiders and you, well.

725
00:41:16,885 --> 00:41:18,285
Speaker 1: You know what is interesting about you?

726
00:41:18,365 --> 00:41:22,245
Speaker 3: Because you've got yourself kind of musical theater energy.

727
00:41:22,525 --> 00:41:22,965
Speaker 1: Do you know what?

728
00:41:23,205 --> 00:41:25,565
Speaker 3: Yeah, you come in like you could play the lead

729
00:41:25,605 --> 00:41:26,405
Speaker 3: in Oklahoma.

730
00:41:26,565 --> 00:41:29,445
Speaker 1: Do you know what you may peep in your step?

731
00:41:29,925 --> 00:41:31,565
Speaker 1: I've always said I have.

732
00:41:31,885 --> 00:41:35,045
Speaker 2: No one can ever doubt the enthusiasm and passion I

733
00:41:35,085 --> 00:41:36,125
Speaker 2: have for musical theater.

734
00:41:36,285 --> 00:41:40,805
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I can't not met with Dallas. I'm the same,

735
00:41:41,045 --> 00:41:41,885
Speaker 1: I mean, I love.

736
00:41:41,765 --> 00:41:44,325
Speaker 2: Me musical or maybe we can just we can do

737
00:41:44,405 --> 00:41:45,925
Speaker 2: some Karryoke together one but.

738
00:41:47,485 --> 00:41:51,885
Speaker 1: That's a very therapeutic thing to do. It is escapism.

739
00:41:52,005 --> 00:41:54,645
Speaker 3: And also most musicals also have a point at which

740
00:41:54,685 --> 00:41:57,005
Speaker 3: you cry, oh God, yeah, oh God.

741
00:41:57,165 --> 00:41:58,885
Speaker 1: Yes, So all of that is very good.

742
00:41:59,685 --> 00:42:01,965
Speaker 2: It was, and I saw some of them by myself

743
00:42:02,005 --> 00:42:04,045
Speaker 2: when you know, I was at work some days and

744
00:42:04,845 --> 00:42:08,125
Speaker 2: you were just so bang up for absolutely, because I

745
00:42:08,125 --> 00:42:09,525
Speaker 2: was there for two and a half weeks, so he

746
00:42:09,525 --> 00:42:11,005
Speaker 2: had to go back to work at some point.

747
00:42:11,085 --> 00:42:12,165
Speaker 1: But it's New.

748
00:42:12,125 --> 00:42:15,725
Speaker 2: York and it was snowing and it was so great.

749
00:42:15,805 --> 00:42:18,365
Speaker 2: It was such a good time. And even that spending

750
00:42:18,445 --> 00:42:21,605
Speaker 2: days just walking by myself, deciding to go to a

751
00:42:21,645 --> 00:42:23,045
Speaker 2: show by myself.

752
00:42:22,605 --> 00:42:24,165
Speaker 1: And seeing different things.

753
00:42:23,925 --> 00:42:28,525
Speaker 2: And realizing I can go through life on my own.

754
00:42:28,565 --> 00:42:31,085
Speaker 2: I've never thought that I can't. I have never been

755
00:42:31,125 --> 00:42:34,205
Speaker 2: someone that has thought I need a partner, but being

756
00:42:34,245 --> 00:42:36,765
Speaker 2: in the depths of but it went on the Bachelorette.

757
00:42:37,205 --> 00:42:40,765
Speaker 2: No because I wanted a partner. I'm very staunch. I

758
00:42:40,765 --> 00:42:43,725
Speaker 2: don't think anyone needs a partner. I never felt I

759
00:42:43,845 --> 00:42:46,605
Speaker 2: needed one. When I went on the Bachelorette. I was

760
00:42:46,645 --> 00:42:48,525
Speaker 2: at a point in my life where Mum had just

761
00:42:48,565 --> 00:42:50,605
Speaker 2: been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer.

762
00:42:50,725 --> 00:42:51,525
Speaker 1: That changed my.

763
00:42:53,005 --> 00:42:57,485
Speaker 2: Perspective on everything. I'd always moved around for jobs because

764
00:42:57,965 --> 00:43:01,645
Speaker 2: my job came first, My career came first, and relationships

765
00:43:01,765 --> 00:43:05,005
Speaker 2: had inevitably fallen apart because of that because I was

766
00:43:05,485 --> 00:43:09,885
Speaker 2: up and leaving and going into state numerous times. So

767
00:43:09,925 --> 00:43:12,885
Speaker 2: when Mum was diagnosed, that really changed that perspective.

768
00:43:12,965 --> 00:43:14,605
Speaker 1: I kind of went, well, who do I have?

769
00:43:15,845 --> 00:43:19,965
Speaker 2: What do I have as my support if the worst happens.

770
00:43:20,205 --> 00:43:22,565
Speaker 2: I also looked at Mum and Dad and their relationship,

771
00:43:22,645 --> 00:43:27,205
Speaker 2: and Mum going through that and having Dad there made

772
00:43:27,245 --> 00:43:28,045
Speaker 2: me look at that and.

773
00:43:27,965 --> 00:43:30,605
Speaker 1: Go, oh, that it is. It is pretty.

774
00:43:30,325 --> 00:43:34,245
Speaker 2: Important to have support and love if you can find it.

775
00:43:34,285 --> 00:43:37,885
Speaker 2: So that's pretty important, it is, George, I do have

776
00:43:37,965 --> 00:43:40,565
Speaker 2: support and love around me. Of course it doesn't have

777
00:43:40,645 --> 00:43:43,245
Speaker 2: such a siting is still. I mean to give credit

778
00:43:43,325 --> 00:43:46,885
Speaker 2: to Lee, not that you're not giving always will, but

779
00:43:47,405 --> 00:43:54,245
Speaker 2: what an extraordinary man to fall in love with you

780
00:43:54,725 --> 00:44:00,245
Speaker 2: and then to shoulder your burdens with you. That came

781
00:44:00,365 --> 00:44:04,125
Speaker 2: so rapidly and unexpected. In with young love, you don't.

782
00:44:03,925 --> 00:44:06,245
Speaker 3: Normally expect that you're going to fall in love with

783
00:44:06,285 --> 00:44:10,165
Speaker 3: a girl who's in the process of saying goodbye to

784
00:44:10,205 --> 00:44:10,645
Speaker 3: her mum.

785
00:44:10,925 --> 00:44:13,445
Speaker 2: All of those things are so hard on him. He

786
00:44:13,685 --> 00:44:18,485
Speaker 2: has been an amazing support through those times. He's been

787
00:44:18,645 --> 00:44:21,925
Speaker 2: very supportive of me through all those stages. And I

788
00:44:21,965 --> 00:44:26,285
Speaker 2: don't think people give the partners of someone going through

789
00:44:26,445 --> 00:44:31,205
Speaker 2: quote unquote something the time and respect.

790
00:44:30,845 --> 00:44:31,925
Speaker 1: That they need as well.

791
00:44:32,005 --> 00:44:35,325
Speaker 2: Because people were rallying around me when Mum had died,

792
00:44:36,005 --> 00:44:37,685
Speaker 2: but he was shouldering that too.

793
00:44:37,885 --> 00:44:39,965
Speaker 1: That was difficult on him too. He didn't know how

794
00:44:40,005 --> 00:44:40,685
Speaker 1: to deal with it.

795
00:44:41,925 --> 00:44:45,285
Speaker 2: When I lost my job and felt like public enemy

796
00:44:45,365 --> 00:44:48,445
Speaker 2: number one for a long time. That was difficult for

797
00:44:48,525 --> 00:44:53,725
Speaker 2: him because I was in the depths of that sounds

798
00:44:53,725 --> 00:44:57,365
Speaker 2: so dramatic, depths of despair, but I was very not

799
00:44:57,965 --> 00:45:01,885
Speaker 2: well mentally for quite some time, and he's trying to

800
00:45:02,605 --> 00:45:04,725
Speaker 2: pick me up through that too, and that of course

801
00:45:04,765 --> 00:45:05,885
Speaker 2: affected his life.

802
00:45:06,605 --> 00:45:09,205
Speaker 1: You know, people go through.

803
00:45:10,805 --> 00:45:14,885
Speaker 2: Things at different stages of their lives. We have both

804
00:45:15,005 --> 00:45:19,045
Speaker 2: and each gone through big things in our nine years together,

805
00:45:19,405 --> 00:45:25,245
Speaker 2: and things that inevitably have changed us as people. And

806
00:45:25,325 --> 00:45:28,925
Speaker 2: some of those things we have grown together through and

807
00:45:29,525 --> 00:45:34,365
Speaker 2: other parts we've sadly grown apart, probably due to those

808
00:45:34,485 --> 00:45:39,205
Speaker 2: changes in who we are as people because of the situations.

809
00:45:38,605 --> 00:45:43,485
Speaker 3: Well, pressure makes diamonds, and pressure can also cleave a

810
00:45:43,565 --> 00:45:45,165
Speaker 3: mountain into Yeah.

811
00:45:45,245 --> 00:45:46,005
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

812
00:45:46,405 --> 00:45:50,885
Speaker 2: And we've been through so much in nine years, good

813
00:45:50,925 --> 00:46:01,045
Speaker 2: and bad, and unfortunately the relationship has ended in terms

814
00:46:01,045 --> 00:46:06,845
Speaker 2: of being each other's romantic partner. But we have weathered

815
00:46:06,845 --> 00:46:10,445
Speaker 2: a lot together and have a deep, deep love and

816
00:46:10,525 --> 00:46:13,285
Speaker 2: respect for each other, and I truly hope we always will.

817
00:46:14,125 --> 00:46:16,125
Speaker 2: I think we always will, but I hope we always will.

818
00:46:16,645 --> 00:46:17,285
Speaker 1: I think in a.

819
00:46:19,085 --> 00:46:23,165
Speaker 3: Breakup after a long period of time, which I've also had,

820
00:46:27,125 --> 00:46:32,365
Speaker 3: you almost if there's deep love there have to help

821
00:46:32,405 --> 00:46:40,245
Speaker 3: each other navigate through it, which is so painful. But

822
00:46:40,605 --> 00:46:44,725
Speaker 3: it's a measure of the it's a measure of the connection.

823
00:46:44,925 --> 00:46:45,285
Speaker 1: That's it.

824
00:46:45,405 --> 00:46:48,725
Speaker 2: Because I don't know, I've never had to go through

825
00:46:48,725 --> 00:46:54,205
Speaker 2: a really hard period without him, yes, which I probably

826
00:46:54,285 --> 00:46:56,805
Speaker 2: never thought about that really until just then.

827
00:46:57,405 --> 00:46:57,885
Speaker 1: I haven't.

828
00:46:57,925 --> 00:46:59,965
Speaker 2: The first bad thing that ever happened to me was

829
00:47:00,005 --> 00:47:01,645
Speaker 2: losing my mum.

830
00:47:01,685 --> 00:47:08,005
Speaker 1: So give me a hand, oh my darling. Yeah, And

831
00:47:08,045 --> 00:47:10,165
Speaker 1: I think that's a really hard part of this as well.

832
00:47:11,805 --> 00:47:13,725
Speaker 2: We are helping each other through it as much as

833
00:47:13,725 --> 00:47:19,085
Speaker 2: we can, but realistically there's obviously parts of it we

834
00:47:19,205 --> 00:47:19,805
Speaker 2: can't either.

835
00:47:22,165 --> 00:47:25,485
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard. I've just never I never expected to

836
00:47:25,565 --> 00:47:26,845
Speaker 1: be here.

837
00:47:28,365 --> 00:47:29,725
Speaker 3: I mean, if you always try to look for the

838
00:47:29,805 --> 00:47:34,405
Speaker 3: lesson in something, which is sometimes an exercise in tedium

839
00:47:34,645 --> 00:47:40,685
Speaker 3: or listening to people do it on podcasts, But if

840
00:47:40,725 --> 00:47:45,525
Speaker 3: there is something that you have learned through you know,

841
00:47:45,605 --> 00:47:51,485
Speaker 3: the battering of life, and like you said, there's worse batterings,

842
00:47:51,525 --> 00:47:52,445
Speaker 3: but it's battering.

843
00:47:52,565 --> 00:47:53,885
Speaker 1: It's absolutely battering.

844
00:47:53,965 --> 00:47:59,645
Speaker 3: You don't have to be qualifying what you have suffered

845
00:47:59,685 --> 00:48:03,445
Speaker 3: and what you have lost.

846
00:48:02,205 --> 00:48:06,125
Speaker 1: What have you learned about grief?

847
00:48:07,045 --> 00:48:09,725
Speaker 2: Well, that everyone faces it, that there are so many

848
00:48:09,805 --> 00:48:12,765
Speaker 2: different levels of it and facets of it.

849
00:48:12,965 --> 00:48:17,805
Speaker 1: I think we use the word grief to talk about

850
00:48:18,165 --> 00:48:19,125
Speaker 1: the loss of someone.

851
00:48:19,165 --> 00:48:22,085
Speaker 2: I think grief is usually spoken about in terms of

852
00:48:22,125 --> 00:48:24,885
Speaker 2: the death of someone, but grief can come in many forms.

853
00:48:25,525 --> 00:48:29,725
Speaker 2: Deep down, the feeling of loss is the same, but

854
00:48:30,685 --> 00:48:33,485
Speaker 2: different shapes. I think the loss of Mum is very

855
00:48:33,485 --> 00:48:37,285
Speaker 2: different because that's something that cannot be changed and will

856
00:48:37,325 --> 00:48:41,365
Speaker 2: not be changed, and it's looking forward to a hopefully

857
00:48:41,445 --> 00:48:44,485
Speaker 2: long life of that loss always being there. Nothing and

858
00:48:44,605 --> 00:48:48,405
Speaker 2: no one will replace that. The loss of the friend

859
00:48:49,285 --> 00:48:53,845
Speaker 2: that can be filled because I've got other beautiful friends,

860
00:48:54,405 --> 00:49:00,725
Speaker 2: the loss of my partnership with Lee, that exact hole

861
00:49:00,725 --> 00:49:04,645
Speaker 2: won't be filled because every relationship is different. But I

862
00:49:04,725 --> 00:49:08,085
Speaker 2: don't look ahead to the rest of my life and

863
00:49:08,205 --> 00:49:11,445
Speaker 2: think that that will be a hole forever like I

864
00:49:11,485 --> 00:49:12,765
Speaker 2: do with a loss of mum.

865
00:49:13,045 --> 00:49:19,885
Speaker 3: Right, angus, have you got any tissues? Sorry? So sorry, No,

866
00:49:20,085 --> 00:49:23,445
Speaker 3: I just I could use one as well. Actually, what

867
00:49:23,565 --> 00:49:26,405
Speaker 3: a terrible mother I am, What a terrible mother?

868
00:49:26,445 --> 00:49:33,885
Speaker 1: I have tissues in my bag. I know him from.

869
00:49:33,645 --> 00:49:37,165
Speaker 3: Your public falling in love and that he's not a

870
00:49:37,205 --> 00:49:40,565
Speaker 3: shallow character. No, no, And he's a person of great

871
00:49:40,645 --> 00:49:45,845
Speaker 3: depth and also had a huge and has I don't know,

872
00:49:45,925 --> 00:49:48,365
Speaker 3: I'm assuming has a huge love for you.

873
00:49:49,525 --> 00:49:52,005
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also it's in your name. There will be

874
00:49:52,045 --> 00:49:53,645
Speaker 1: more laugh There will.

875
00:49:53,445 --> 00:49:57,765
Speaker 3: Be more laugh, yes, I hope, so I believe there

876
00:49:57,765 --> 00:50:01,285
Speaker 3: will be two. Are you too immersed in where you

877
00:50:01,325 --> 00:50:04,685
Speaker 3: are at the moment to have a forward projection for yourself,

878
00:50:04,765 --> 00:50:07,285
Speaker 3: even in a vague sort of sceense. Is there even

879
00:50:07,325 --> 00:50:12,405
Speaker 3: a shape on your mental vision board of your future? No?

880
00:50:12,645 --> 00:50:15,645
Speaker 2: But they're also they kind of never has been because

881
00:50:16,205 --> 00:50:19,525
Speaker 2: I don't know if I blame this on my career

882
00:50:19,725 --> 00:50:23,045
Speaker 2: or if it is it is realistically because of my career.

883
00:50:23,085 --> 00:50:28,445
Speaker 2: But there's not a clear path in the media industry.

884
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Speaker 1: And certainly not anymore. Oh gosh, no, exactly.

885
00:50:31,645 --> 00:50:35,125
Speaker 2: So I've always been of that belief that I've not

886
00:50:35,725 --> 00:50:38,445
Speaker 2: ever had a five year plan and gone, I'll do this,

887
00:50:38,525 --> 00:50:40,045
Speaker 2: so I can do that, so I can do that

888
00:50:40,685 --> 00:50:41,365
Speaker 2: in my career.

889
00:50:41,485 --> 00:50:43,005
Speaker 1: So I haven't done that in my life.

890
00:50:42,845 --> 00:50:49,165
Speaker 2: Either, because opportunities come, opportunities go away. I don't think

891
00:50:49,205 --> 00:50:52,405
Speaker 2: you can plan out anything really solidly, and if you

892
00:50:52,485 --> 00:50:56,765
Speaker 2: try to, you're more likely going to feel disappointed. So

893
00:50:56,805 --> 00:50:59,525
Speaker 2: I don't believe in these resolutions either. I don't know

894
00:50:59,565 --> 00:51:03,845
Speaker 2: what's going to happen that year. What about personally? Like

895
00:51:04,725 --> 00:51:09,285
Speaker 2: the is a relationship something that you want?

896
00:51:10,325 --> 00:51:13,725
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is? It is. I love having a partner

897
00:51:13,765 --> 00:51:14,365
Speaker 1: through life.

898
00:51:14,405 --> 00:51:18,005
Speaker 2: I've got very close friendships, and I deeply love my

899
00:51:18,525 --> 00:51:19,365
Speaker 2: poetry people.

900
00:51:21,685 --> 00:51:23,685
Speaker 1: My cat is the love of my life.

901
00:51:23,885 --> 00:51:26,525
Speaker 2: She really is, and now officially the longest relationship I've

902
00:51:26,525 --> 00:51:28,765
Speaker 2: ever had, which is a bit sad, right, how long

903
00:51:29,325 --> 00:51:29,885
Speaker 2: she's ten?

904
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Speaker 1: Right? I had her for always, haid, I had her

905
00:51:32,285 --> 00:51:35,485
Speaker 1: for you before I had to leave, and he had

906
00:51:35,525 --> 00:51:39,645
Speaker 1: to get over his allergies and dislike for cats. Yes,

907
00:51:39,685 --> 00:51:41,965
Speaker 1: and he did so very well. He's a very good

908
00:51:42,045 --> 00:51:42,565
Speaker 1: cat dad.

909
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Speaker 2: No, I think personally, for me, I need to get

910
00:51:47,845 --> 00:51:51,085
Speaker 2: through this period. It's not quick, you know, it's not

911
00:51:51,205 --> 00:51:54,285
Speaker 2: quick to go through any of this. I'm very lucky

912
00:51:54,325 --> 00:51:57,525
Speaker 2: to feel there's that word again, to feel very solid

913
00:51:57,525 --> 00:51:59,685
Speaker 2: in my work at the moment and really enjoying that.

914
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Speaker 2: So I know I've got that to focus on as

915
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Speaker 2: I deal with and move forward with everything else.

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Speaker 3: Do you do you think, because I say this as

917
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Speaker 3: a mother, I believe that a mother's love is the

918
00:52:17,045 --> 00:52:20,845
Speaker 3: most enduring love. Do you feel like your mum is

919
00:52:21,005 --> 00:52:23,565
Speaker 3: with you and will guide you through this?

920
00:52:26,405 --> 00:52:26,685
Speaker 1: Yes?

921
00:52:26,885 --> 00:52:31,765
Speaker 2: I'm not particularly spiritual. I don't, you know, feel her

922
00:52:31,805 --> 00:52:38,485
Speaker 2: with me or anything. But I think the way I

923
00:52:38,485 --> 00:52:42,765
Speaker 2: feel like she's with me is because she was a

924
00:52:42,885 --> 00:52:48,805
Speaker 2: very strong woman and very opinionated, and we always knew

925
00:52:48,845 --> 00:52:50,725
Speaker 2: what she was thinking. And this is something we laugh

926
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Speaker 2: about in the family, is you know, at least will

927
00:52:53,925 --> 00:52:57,805
Speaker 2: never be sitting here going, oh God, what would mom say?

928
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Speaker 1: She would say?

929
00:52:59,325 --> 00:53:01,525
Speaker 2: And I do find comfort in that as well, because

930
00:53:01,525 --> 00:53:03,805
Speaker 2: I don't sit there and think, you know, God, what

931
00:53:03,845 --> 00:53:04,805
Speaker 2: would she tell me to do?

932
00:53:05,565 --> 00:53:07,245
Speaker 1: What's been really hard is not.

933
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Speaker 4: Having her here through this period. There have been so

934
00:53:11,845 --> 00:53:14,205
Speaker 4: many times that I've just said, I just want my mom.

935
00:53:14,965 --> 00:53:18,085
Speaker 4: I don't think it matters what age you are. I

936
00:53:18,205 --> 00:53:23,645
Speaker 4: just want my mom. Yeah, but that's life, isn't it.

937
00:53:26,045 --> 00:53:28,045
Speaker 4: That's one of the fuck things about Yeah.

938
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Speaker 3: As well, like this, I know and I love that

939
00:53:35,685 --> 00:53:39,485
Speaker 3: you can say still talk about yourself as lucky, which

940
00:53:39,805 --> 00:53:40,285
Speaker 3: you are.

941
00:53:40,205 --> 00:53:41,885
Speaker 1: Fortunate in many ways. We know that.

942
00:53:45,485 --> 00:53:49,285
Speaker 3: Your mother has also bestowed her blessings upon you already,

943
00:53:50,365 --> 00:53:58,005
Speaker 3: like beauty and grace, and I am very stamina musicals.

944
00:53:58,045 --> 00:53:59,205
Speaker 1: That's definitely her fault.

945
00:54:00,845 --> 00:54:05,685
Speaker 2: One thing I really have grappled with, and that's been

946
00:54:05,805 --> 00:54:07,445
Speaker 2: very difficult for me, is.

947
00:54:09,765 --> 00:54:13,005
Speaker 1: The fact that Lee met mum. She was very, very sick,

948
00:54:13,205 --> 00:54:17,525
Speaker 1: he did, but she knew him. Yeah, she died.

949
00:54:18,765 --> 00:54:23,645
Speaker 2: Knowing I was with him. And it's been very difficult

950
00:54:25,725 --> 00:54:32,445
Speaker 2: to think about the prospect of potentially.

951
00:54:31,925 --> 00:54:34,885
Speaker 3: Being someone else that doesn't know your mom, that didn't

952
00:54:34,925 --> 00:54:37,845
Speaker 3: know your mom, and that she didn't she didn't know.

953
00:54:38,205 --> 00:54:41,125
Speaker 2: And I know that silly, because whether you're spiritual or not.

954
00:54:41,965 --> 00:54:43,685
Speaker 2: If you're not spiritual, you go, what doesn't matter. She

955
00:54:43,725 --> 00:54:46,205
Speaker 2: doesn't know anyway, she's dead. If you are spiritual, you go, well,

956
00:54:46,245 --> 00:54:49,005
Speaker 2: she knows what's going on with you all the time.

957
00:54:51,725 --> 00:54:58,845
Speaker 1: But I feel sad that she.

958
00:55:01,005 --> 00:55:03,805
Speaker 2: Thought my life was going one way and it has

959
00:55:04,245 --> 00:55:05,525
Speaker 2: that path has changed.

960
00:55:06,805 --> 00:55:10,485
Speaker 1: I feel sad about that as well. I feel sad.

961
00:55:10,805 --> 00:55:12,125
Speaker 1: I'm just sad.

962
00:55:12,605 --> 00:55:16,165
Speaker 3: There is stuff to be sad about, and that is

963
00:55:16,845 --> 00:55:23,845
Speaker 3: part of the journey of life, is that some things

964
00:55:23,885 --> 00:55:26,485
Speaker 3: will make you sad and some things will make you happy.

965
00:55:26,805 --> 00:55:27,285
Speaker 1: That's it.

966
00:55:27,725 --> 00:55:29,765
Speaker 2: And I'm having both of them all the time. You know,

967
00:55:29,805 --> 00:55:32,005
Speaker 2: I'm not just in a period of all darkness.

968
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Speaker 1: At you join my life. I've established that you're very lucky.

969
00:55:38,605 --> 00:55:40,485
Speaker 1: Oh God, I want anyone here, and I had to

970
00:55:40,525 --> 00:55:44,205
Speaker 1: go for exactly exactly. I just don't. I don't want

971
00:55:44,205 --> 00:55:47,405
Speaker 1: anyone to you know what, Oh God, where things happen.

972
00:55:47,525 --> 00:55:48,525
Speaker 1: I know, I know.

973
00:55:51,245 --> 00:55:54,285
Speaker 3: Some things you just have to let in and settle,

974
00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:57,405
Speaker 3: even though it's like being in yoga when the stretch

975
00:55:57,485 --> 00:56:00,765
Speaker 3: is so painful that monkey mind just wants to make

976
00:56:00,805 --> 00:56:06,965
Speaker 3: you run away from it. And I hope the road

977
00:56:07,205 --> 00:56:10,405
Speaker 3: rises to meet you because.

978
00:56:12,445 --> 00:56:13,925
Speaker 1: You've shared yourself.

979
00:56:13,565 --> 00:56:17,765
Speaker 3: So much with people, and I even think that this

980
00:56:18,205 --> 00:56:21,205
Speaker 3: exchange will help so many people. So much of what

981
00:56:21,245 --> 00:56:25,365
Speaker 3: you're experiencing is is just universal.

982
00:56:25,845 --> 00:56:28,605
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, I'm not special. You know, lots of

983
00:56:28,605 --> 00:56:31,805
Speaker 1: people go through you can also be special. You can

984
00:56:31,845 --> 00:56:39,245
Speaker 1: also be special. Okay, you're so self effacing. I'm I'm

985
00:56:39,325 --> 00:56:40,765
Speaker 1: very confident in myself.

986
00:56:40,765 --> 00:56:43,885
Speaker 2: I am so I'm not only self effacing at all.

987
00:56:43,965 --> 00:56:44,925
Speaker 1: I know what it is.

988
00:56:45,085 --> 00:56:47,525
Speaker 3: I know that you don't want to be seen and

989
00:56:48,085 --> 00:56:51,645
Speaker 3: we all have that to be, you know, to be

990
00:56:51,885 --> 00:56:55,765
Speaker 3: sort of like self absorbed or like suffering or the

991
00:56:55,805 --> 00:56:58,565
Speaker 3: fact is sometimes there's shit to cry about.

992
00:56:58,845 --> 00:57:01,645
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, and I do is the time, and

993
00:57:01,765 --> 00:57:02,125
Speaker 1: I do.

994
00:57:02,445 --> 00:57:05,725
Speaker 2: I think one thing from doing my podcast everyone has

995
00:57:05,725 --> 00:57:09,445
Speaker 2: an X is hearing everyone's story. So the way that

996
00:57:09,485 --> 00:57:12,285
Speaker 2: I do that show is I sit down with the

997
00:57:12,325 --> 00:57:16,245
Speaker 2: person and interview them is probably the wrong term. They

998
00:57:16,285 --> 00:57:20,205
Speaker 2: tell me their story and those interviews go for about

999
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Speaker 2: two and a half hours every time, and every person's

1000
00:57:23,805 --> 00:57:27,685
Speaker 2: story is different. Every person's story has touched them and

1001
00:57:27,765 --> 00:57:30,165
Speaker 2: changed them in a way and has been devastating for them,

1002
00:57:31,045 --> 00:57:34,725
Speaker 2: and then being able to put that story out there

1003
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Speaker 2: for other people. And the feedback that I get from

1004
00:57:37,525 --> 00:57:41,805
Speaker 2: that is that other people's stories have helped them, even

1005
00:57:41,845 --> 00:57:45,285
Speaker 2: if it's one person that hears and goes I'm not

1006
00:57:45,365 --> 00:57:46,525
Speaker 2: alone in feeling that.

1007
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Speaker 1: And yes, I suppose the irony of it all is it.

1008
00:57:51,165 --> 00:57:56,845
Speaker 1: Everyone does, Yes, they do. Some people have more than one. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Georgia Love, I love you, Oh, I love you.

1010
00:58:01,725 --> 00:58:05,205
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you for letting me cry

1011
00:58:05,565 --> 00:58:09,205
Speaker 2: and name musicals and talk about Petri.

1012
00:58:10,965 --> 00:58:13,125
Speaker 1: Two of my at least two of them are my

1013
00:58:13,205 --> 00:58:17,685
Speaker 1: favorite things. Thank you a musical. Oh, there we go.

1014
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Speaker 3: I think it's always a bit of an honor to

1015
00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:27,405
Speaker 3: get to talk to someone about love and loss, and

1016
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Speaker 3: in the context of Georgia who had lost her mum,

1017
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Speaker 3: it's always interesting to feel and to hear what she

1018
00:58:37,165 --> 00:58:42,125
Speaker 3: wishes she could tell her. Also, what fun to talk

1019
00:58:42,125 --> 00:58:46,485
Speaker 3: about show tunes? And that's life, isn't it. It's hard

1020
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Speaker 3: and it's easy, and it's dark and it's light. If

1021
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Speaker 3: you would like to listen to Georgia Love's podcast, everyone

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Speaker 3: has an X.

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Speaker 1: We put a link in the show notes.

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Speaker 3: The executive producer of No Filter is Naima Brown and

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Speaker 3: the senior producer is Grace Rufrey. Audio production is by

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Speaker 3: Jacob Brown and I'm your host, Kateline Brook.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.