1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:11,424 Speaker 1: So much. 2 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 3 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 4 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:25,984 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome 5 00:00:26,024 --> 00:00:29,424 Speaker 1: to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodnick, 6 00:00:29,464 --> 00:00:32,544 Speaker 1: and today we are joined by a very special Gash London. 7 00:00:32,544 --> 00:00:34,384 Speaker 2: Hello. Great to meet you, guys, Great to see you. 8 00:00:34,504 --> 00:00:35,864 Speaker 2: Good to be back. Hey, babe. 9 00:00:35,944 --> 00:00:38,104 Speaker 1: So we've had Ash on the podcast a few times. 10 00:00:38,144 --> 00:00:40,224 Speaker 1: Can't keep you away. When Emily Vertum's out of town. 11 00:00:40,344 --> 00:00:42,264 Speaker 2: She got ever see they're just on Instagram because all 12 00:00:42,344 --> 00:00:43,864 Speaker 2: like put me the old passport photo. 13 00:00:44,224 --> 00:00:46,104 Speaker 1: Yeah, she's trying to be all mysterious, but she won't 14 00:00:46,144 --> 00:00:47,784 Speaker 1: be able to maintain it for long. There'll be so 15 00:00:47,864 --> 00:00:50,264 Speaker 1: many photos and videos. So, Ash, we've had you on 16 00:00:50,304 --> 00:00:52,144 Speaker 1: the pod many times before, but just in case we 17 00:00:52,184 --> 00:00:53,784 Speaker 1: have new listeners. Do you want to tell the people 18 00:00:53,824 --> 00:00:54,344 Speaker 1: who you are? 19 00:00:54,584 --> 00:00:55,984 Speaker 2: Yes? So I did radio for a while. I had 20 00:00:55,984 --> 00:00:58,824 Speaker 2: a radio show called Ash London Live. Or I spend 21 00:00:58,864 --> 00:01:01,344 Speaker 2: a lot of time interviewing artists and talking about music. 22 00:01:01,544 --> 00:01:03,984 Speaker 2: And I've got a podcast called Hopeless Romantics, which is 23 00:01:04,064 --> 00:01:06,624 Speaker 2: pretty much just all about romance because that's really all 24 00:01:06,624 --> 00:01:09,064 Speaker 2: I care about in this world life stressful, give me 25 00:01:09,144 --> 00:01:10,304 Speaker 2: rong combabs. 26 00:01:09,944 --> 00:01:12,064 Speaker 1: No I your podcast, because sometimes you just need to 27 00:01:12,104 --> 00:01:15,064 Speaker 1: like zone out and just have a joyousless a cozy 28 00:01:15,144 --> 00:01:17,664 Speaker 1: listen I call it. I'm all about cozy pods at 29 00:01:17,664 --> 00:01:18,824 Speaker 1: the moment, and. 30 00:01:18,864 --> 00:01:21,144 Speaker 2: At the moment all the Christmas movies coming out, what 31 00:01:21,224 --> 00:01:23,904 Speaker 2: could be cozier? I'm obsessed with them all. Every Wednesday, 32 00:01:23,984 --> 00:01:26,104 Speaker 2: Netflix is job on a new one and it's literally like 33 00:01:26,184 --> 00:01:28,824 Speaker 2: Christmas every Wednesday for me, the crappier the better. But 34 00:01:29,104 --> 00:01:31,824 Speaker 2: alas on the show today, it's the fire that everyone 35 00:01:31,864 --> 00:01:34,104 Speaker 2: seemed to care about on the weekend that I think 36 00:01:34,224 --> 00:01:37,024 Speaker 2: neither of us actually probably cared about. But hey, I 37 00:01:37,064 --> 00:01:39,224 Speaker 2: look forward to being surprised, Laura if you were like, 38 00:01:39,384 --> 00:01:42,704 Speaker 2: I'm a clute a fan of it, and with Hugh 39 00:01:42,784 --> 00:01:45,544 Speaker 2: Jackman and Satin Foster relationship up there, I still can't 40 00:01:45,544 --> 00:01:48,104 Speaker 2: believe this is even real. Babes, it's too much. 41 00:01:48,024 --> 00:01:51,064 Speaker 1: Yes, But first, whenever I'm like finding ideas when you're 42 00:01:51,064 --> 00:01:52,624 Speaker 1: on the show, Ash, I'm like, I'm gonna find something 43 00:01:52,664 --> 00:01:56,344 Speaker 1: smart and interesting, and then sometimes something just absolutely silly 44 00:01:56,384 --> 00:01:58,544 Speaker 1: comes along. So please don't judge us for this never, 45 00:01:58,624 --> 00:02:01,344 Speaker 1: but I need to quickly talk about the Jeremy Alan 46 00:02:01,424 --> 00:02:05,584 Speaker 1: White lookalike contest that was held in Chicago over the weekend. 47 00:02:06,024 --> 00:02:08,904 Speaker 1: So Jeremy Ellen White is of course star of the Bear, 48 00:02:09,304 --> 00:02:11,544 Speaker 1: well known for being a man who likes to walk 49 00:02:11,584 --> 00:02:13,504 Speaker 1: around in a singlet with a cigarette hanging out of 50 00:02:13,544 --> 00:02:14,024 Speaker 1: his mouth. 51 00:02:14,904 --> 00:02:19,184 Speaker 2: That Calvin Klein, Oh my god. Sometimes I just detour 52 00:02:19,424 --> 00:02:23,344 Speaker 2: through the specific Calvin Client store in Melbyn, CBD when 53 00:02:23,344 --> 00:02:26,144 Speaker 2: I'm gone a uniclo just to walk past and see 54 00:02:26,264 --> 00:02:29,384 Speaker 2: the stare at us live so big, Oh my god, 55 00:02:29,704 --> 00:02:29,944 Speaker 2: thank you. 56 00:02:29,984 --> 00:02:31,784 Speaker 1: All right, Well, if anyone sees Ash standing in front 57 00:02:31,784 --> 00:02:33,544 Speaker 1: of that post, so just please give her some space 58 00:02:33,584 --> 00:02:35,384 Speaker 1: and time just to do what she's there for. Don't 59 00:02:35,384 --> 00:02:40,424 Speaker 1: interrupt her. So this was organized by two roommates, two 60 00:02:40,504 --> 00:02:44,144 Speaker 1: very industrious roommates called Kelsey and Taylor, who noticed there 61 00:02:44,184 --> 00:02:45,744 Speaker 1: was a bit of a trend of the celebrity look 62 00:02:45,824 --> 00:02:48,944 Speaker 1: like competition's happening. So obviously we had the Timothy Chalomie 63 00:02:48,984 --> 00:02:51,224 Speaker 1: one a few weeks ago, and then people have been 64 00:02:51,224 --> 00:02:53,744 Speaker 1: posting a lot of joke photos since then. Just name 65 00:02:53,784 --> 00:02:55,704 Speaker 1: me any hot guy they want to say they want 66 00:02:55,704 --> 00:02:58,304 Speaker 1: to meet, and then banking a fake poster hoping to 67 00:02:58,384 --> 00:03:01,544 Speaker 1: draw men to their location, which in a rom com 68 00:03:01,664 --> 00:03:05,264 Speaker 1: very cute. In a serial killer movie, very problematic, But 69 00:03:05,544 --> 00:03:08,184 Speaker 1: so far everyone's come out alive. So this time around, though, 70 00:03:08,264 --> 00:03:11,664 Speaker 1: hundreds of people showed up to this Chicago Jeremy Allen 71 00:03:11,704 --> 00:03:15,304 Speaker 1: White looked like contest. Unlike the Timothy Shallomey one, Jeremy 72 00:03:15,304 --> 00:03:17,464 Speaker 1: Allen White himself didn't appear. 73 00:03:18,624 --> 00:03:22,824 Speaker 2: Of all celebrities, I feel like Jaw is the last one. 74 00:03:22,824 --> 00:03:25,584 Speaker 2: That he's too busy, just like smoking and kicking back. 75 00:03:26,464 --> 00:03:28,304 Speaker 1: Well, he's out of town filming, but I like your 76 00:03:28,864 --> 00:03:32,064 Speaker 1: explanation better. Hundreds of people turned up, but the winner 77 00:03:32,224 --> 00:03:35,624 Speaker 1: of the Jeremy Allen White Crown was ultimately Ben Shabbard, 78 00:03:35,984 --> 00:03:38,824 Speaker 1: a thirty seven year old mental health therapist that's nice 79 00:03:39,584 --> 00:03:41,744 Speaker 1: who actually, if you look at the photos, does look 80 00:03:41,784 --> 00:03:44,864 Speaker 1: like Jeremy Allen White. And he was very humble in 81 00:03:44,904 --> 00:03:47,704 Speaker 1: his win. He gave a interview to the local newspaper 82 00:03:47,784 --> 00:03:50,584 Speaker 1: and said, I didn't really plan on winning, especially when 83 00:03:50,584 --> 00:03:52,904 Speaker 1: I saw all these guys that actually looked like Jeremy 84 00:03:52,904 --> 00:03:55,744 Speaker 1: Allen White. But the energy here is so exciting, so 85 00:03:55,944 --> 00:03:58,904 Speaker 1: that's very cute. And then he won fifty dollars. Nice 86 00:03:59,264 --> 00:03:59,584 Speaker 1: so to. 87 00:03:59,584 --> 00:04:02,504 Speaker 2: Get you like a cocktail at the Bear restaurant in 88 00:04:02,544 --> 00:04:05,704 Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, it'sendra expensive. He did really look like 89 00:04:05,784 --> 00:04:08,224 Speaker 2: him in the Potato where they're like hoisting him up 90 00:04:08,224 --> 00:04:11,024 Speaker 2: on their shoulders for him to celebrate. Was him for 91 00:04:11,024 --> 00:04:12,184 Speaker 2: a split second. 92 00:04:11,904 --> 00:04:13,304 Speaker 1: Thought he just turned up. 93 00:04:13,464 --> 00:04:15,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, But some of the other guys looked absolutely nothing 94 00:04:15,944 --> 00:04:17,584 Speaker 2: like it, Like they're just putting on a white T 95 00:04:17,704 --> 00:04:18,624 Speaker 2: shirt and a mate. 96 00:04:18,464 --> 00:04:19,424 Speaker 1: And wearing an apron. 97 00:04:19,624 --> 00:04:19,944 Speaker 2: Yeah. 98 00:04:19,984 --> 00:04:21,584 Speaker 1: I've got to say I did find this very cute 99 00:04:21,584 --> 00:04:23,744 Speaker 1: and nice little kind of palette cleanser on the weekend 100 00:04:23,824 --> 00:04:25,664 Speaker 1: from some other stuff that was unfolding. But at the 101 00:04:25,704 --> 00:04:27,544 Speaker 1: same time, I'm like, oh, okay, I think we need 102 00:04:27,584 --> 00:04:29,944 Speaker 1: to rest the joke now it works so well. The 103 00:04:29,944 --> 00:04:33,864 Speaker 1: Timothy Challomey one, just because it was unexpected, the Timothy's 104 00:04:33,984 --> 00:04:36,024 Speaker 1: just took over New York. One of them got arrested. 105 00:04:36,064 --> 00:04:37,584 Speaker 1: We still don't know what happened to him. He could 106 00:04:37,584 --> 00:04:39,504 Speaker 1: still be locked up for all we know. The real 107 00:04:39,504 --> 00:04:41,984 Speaker 1: Timothy Challomay turning up and then having to be rushed 108 00:04:42,024 --> 00:04:44,664 Speaker 1: out of there by security because people were mobbing him. 109 00:04:45,224 --> 00:04:47,144 Speaker 1: Just all of that I think became like a really 110 00:04:47,144 --> 00:04:50,424 Speaker 1: interesting pop culture moment. And now everyone's trying to recreate it. 111 00:04:50,464 --> 00:04:51,904 Speaker 1: But I just don't think you can recreate it. 112 00:04:51,984 --> 00:04:53,904 Speaker 2: No, And I think as a society we really do 113 00:04:53,944 --> 00:04:56,264 Speaker 2: need to learn to just let things be. But I 114 00:04:56,304 --> 00:04:58,344 Speaker 2: think that says we do right. Like we see a 115 00:04:58,384 --> 00:05:00,664 Speaker 2: TikTok trend and then everyone feels it's their right to 116 00:05:00,744 --> 00:05:03,184 Speaker 2: jump on the trend. Some things we just need to 117 00:05:03,344 --> 00:05:05,664 Speaker 2: let them be as they are and move on. There's 118 00:05:05,664 --> 00:05:09,624 Speaker 2: a lesson for all of us. But so a celebrity 119 00:05:09,624 --> 00:05:12,904 Speaker 2: fight happened over the weekend. Although I'm still old school 120 00:05:12,904 --> 00:05:15,184 Speaker 2: and I find it hard to refer to Jake Paul 121 00:05:15,264 --> 00:05:18,624 Speaker 2: as a celebrity, but it happened. Your winn about your 122 00:05:18,744 --> 00:05:30,144 Speaker 2: DNA this decision Jodo. Sixty five million people reportedly streamed 123 00:05:30,184 --> 00:05:33,864 Speaker 2: in to see Jake Paul fight Mike Tyson on Netflix. 124 00:05:34,024 --> 00:05:37,144 Speaker 2: Everyone was talking about it. I personally could not believe 125 00:05:37,224 --> 00:05:39,904 Speaker 2: that everyone was talking about it. Laura, I'm assuming you're 126 00:05:39,984 --> 00:05:42,224 Speaker 2: in my boat in that don't know, don't care, will 127 00:05:42,344 --> 00:05:42,744 Speaker 2: never care. 128 00:05:43,504 --> 00:05:45,664 Speaker 1: Yeah. I knew what was happening, just because I feel 129 00:05:45,704 --> 00:05:47,264 Speaker 1: like it's just one of those things where the information 130 00:05:47,384 --> 00:05:49,584 Speaker 1: just finds you if you're online. But what I was 131 00:05:49,624 --> 00:05:52,264 Speaker 1: so surprised about is that when it was happening. My 132 00:05:52,504 --> 00:05:55,304 Speaker 1: entire feed was filled with people I kind of know 133 00:05:55,424 --> 00:05:58,104 Speaker 1: through work, but also just friends from my hometown, and 134 00:05:58,224 --> 00:06:01,104 Speaker 1: all these different people who I had never thought would 135 00:06:01,104 --> 00:06:03,624 Speaker 1: be interested in this or either out of the pub 136 00:06:03,704 --> 00:06:06,544 Speaker 1: watching it like it's an occasion or at home watching it, 137 00:06:06,624 --> 00:06:08,424 Speaker 1: and a lot of them were saying it was ridiculous 138 00:06:08,544 --> 00:06:10,104 Speaker 1: or saying that it was stupid, that sort of thing, 139 00:06:10,424 --> 00:06:12,304 Speaker 1: and they were just looking to see. But yeah, it 140 00:06:12,424 --> 00:06:14,664 Speaker 1: really did fill up my timeline, and I was like, 141 00:06:14,864 --> 00:06:16,504 Speaker 1: when did we all decide we were watching this and 142 00:06:16,544 --> 00:06:17,664 Speaker 1: we were into it and it was going to be 143 00:06:17,784 --> 00:06:19,104 Speaker 1: the focal point of our weekend. 144 00:06:19,224 --> 00:06:21,104 Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more. I think a big part of it 145 00:06:21,384 --> 00:06:23,304 Speaker 2: was the fact that it was on Netflix. In the 146 00:06:23,384 --> 00:06:25,264 Speaker 2: same way that I didn't give a crap about F 147 00:06:25,344 --> 00:06:26,784 Speaker 2: one until I saw a Drive to Survive. 148 00:06:26,824 --> 00:06:27,184 Speaker 1: It was there. 149 00:06:27,184 --> 00:06:29,544 Speaker 2: I watched it, I became a fan. And usually these 150 00:06:29,624 --> 00:06:31,704 Speaker 2: flights like pay per view or whatever, so you have 151 00:06:31,824 --> 00:06:34,064 Speaker 2: to like make an account, pay some money and there's 152 00:06:34,144 --> 00:06:37,104 Speaker 2: just no way. However, it's on Netflix, you've got nothing 153 00:06:37,144 --> 00:06:39,824 Speaker 2: else to do, you kind of watch it. But here's 154 00:06:39,864 --> 00:06:43,224 Speaker 2: the thing, like boxing, at the best of times, I'm 155 00:06:43,224 --> 00:06:45,504 Speaker 2: a bit confused by but whatever, it's a sport, like 156 00:06:45,584 --> 00:06:48,344 Speaker 2: someone actually does win and lose, yadda YadA, as opposed 157 00:06:48,344 --> 00:06:53,624 Speaker 2: to like WWE, which is a performance and people paid 158 00:06:53,704 --> 00:06:55,864 Speaker 2: money and support their whatever, and we know it's not 159 00:06:55,944 --> 00:07:00,024 Speaker 2: kind of real. I feel like this particular situation, given 160 00:07:00,064 --> 00:07:01,824 Speaker 2: that one of them is twenty seven and one of 161 00:07:01,864 --> 00:07:04,744 Speaker 2: them is fifty eight, and Jake Paul got forty million 162 00:07:04,904 --> 00:07:09,744 Speaker 2: US dollars Mike Tyson twenty million, does anyone actually think 163 00:07:09,824 --> 00:07:13,184 Speaker 2: that were ever going to have a real kind of fight, Like, 164 00:07:13,304 --> 00:07:15,824 Speaker 2: I feel like it's not real. We all know it's 165 00:07:15,904 --> 00:07:18,624 Speaker 2: not real. Like the Paul brothers are travel from day one, 166 00:07:18,784 --> 00:07:21,184 Speaker 2: like nothing they're doing is a very seriously says it 167 00:07:21,224 --> 00:07:22,544 Speaker 2: felt like a bit of a fast to me, like 168 00:07:22,584 --> 00:07:24,464 Speaker 2: a bit of a WWE. 169 00:07:23,984 --> 00:07:26,384 Speaker 1: Moment, right, Like it was all just kind of escalated 170 00:07:26,504 --> 00:07:28,104 Speaker 1: and like put on for the show and the whole 171 00:07:28,144 --> 00:07:30,824 Speaker 1: thing of like Mike Tyson losing as well, and people saying, 172 00:07:30,864 --> 00:07:33,504 Speaker 1: but you know, he came out of retirement, he worked 173 00:07:33,544 --> 00:07:35,584 Speaker 1: so hard, so it's a win for him as well, 174 00:07:35,624 --> 00:07:38,224 Speaker 1: And there was this real kind of like emotional nostalgia 175 00:07:38,344 --> 00:07:41,784 Speaker 1: around Mike Tyson, and I guess people just feeling like 176 00:07:41,864 --> 00:07:44,304 Speaker 1: I don't know this real emotional attachment to him, which 177 00:07:44,344 --> 00:07:47,344 Speaker 1: I also found very strange just given his whole history. 178 00:07:47,544 --> 00:07:50,784 Speaker 2: He's a deeply problematic human. But this is something that 179 00:07:50,904 --> 00:07:54,384 Speaker 2: we kind of allow with sports stars more than actors. 180 00:07:54,464 --> 00:07:57,784 Speaker 2: I think actors get canceled, are you Kevin Spacey or whatever, 181 00:07:58,104 --> 00:08:00,304 Speaker 2: and then they don't really come back. I mean, I'm 182 00:08:00,304 --> 00:08:02,584 Speaker 2: sure there are some examples, and I can easily be 183 00:08:02,704 --> 00:08:07,424 Speaker 2: proven wrong, But with sports stars, I mean O. J. Simpson, 184 00:08:07,864 --> 00:08:10,464 Speaker 2: it feels like there's nothing that they can do that 185 00:08:10,624 --> 00:08:12,704 Speaker 2: is going to be so bad that we're eventually going 186 00:08:12,744 --> 00:08:14,824 Speaker 2: to kind of welcome the back into the fold. And 187 00:08:14,904 --> 00:08:17,544 Speaker 2: I just imagine with this and people have gotten into 188 00:08:17,624 --> 00:08:20,344 Speaker 2: a room a year ago and planned it all out, 189 00:08:20,424 --> 00:08:22,464 Speaker 2: and they've planned out the messaging. This is why it's 190 00:08:22,504 --> 00:08:23,984 Speaker 2: going to be good for Jake, and this is why 191 00:08:24,024 --> 00:08:26,144 Speaker 2: it's going to be good for Mike. Towards the end 192 00:08:26,144 --> 00:08:29,064 Speaker 2: of the eighth round, like fans were booing, people were 193 00:08:29,184 --> 00:08:31,824 Speaker 2: starting to feel like, give us a proper fight, and 194 00:08:31,944 --> 00:08:34,184 Speaker 2: then they ended up kind of hugging in the middle 195 00:08:34,184 --> 00:08:36,424 Speaker 2: of the ring as a sign of respect, which I 196 00:08:36,464 --> 00:08:39,464 Speaker 2: don't really feel is why people watch boxing matches. Yeah, 197 00:08:39,584 --> 00:08:42,504 Speaker 2: Mike is a problematic guy, and Jake Paul has his 198 00:08:42,664 --> 00:08:45,744 Speaker 2: own allegations of sexual assault which have been leveled against him, 199 00:08:45,784 --> 00:08:49,424 Speaker 2: which he denies. So it is really disappointing that not 200 00:08:49,584 --> 00:08:51,704 Speaker 2: only is this happening and they're getting paid lots of 201 00:08:51,784 --> 00:08:54,144 Speaker 2: money for it, it's so many people that you kind 202 00:08:54,144 --> 00:08:57,664 Speaker 2: of don't expect a feigning interest or a watching or 203 00:08:57,784 --> 00:08:59,944 Speaker 2: is it one of those kind of car crash, can't 204 00:08:59,984 --> 00:09:02,264 Speaker 2: look away type scenarios. Why do you think this kind 205 00:09:02,304 --> 00:09:04,704 Speaker 2: of captured the attention of so many people. 206 00:09:05,544 --> 00:09:07,624 Speaker 1: I think it was just because it was the spectacle 207 00:09:07,664 --> 00:09:09,944 Speaker 1: of it, Like people who were screenshotting and posting their 208 00:09:09,984 --> 00:09:11,864 Speaker 1: TV I was like, I feel like I watched it 209 00:09:11,904 --> 00:09:14,024 Speaker 1: against my will through Instagram because so many people were 210 00:09:14,064 --> 00:09:17,104 Speaker 1: posting about it. Some people were very like nostalogic and emotional, 211 00:09:17,304 --> 00:09:19,344 Speaker 1: and then some people were just talking about how silly 212 00:09:19,384 --> 00:09:21,984 Speaker 1: it was, how funny, especially like moments where it was 213 00:09:22,024 --> 00:09:24,264 Speaker 1: like buffering and wouldn't load and all that sort of stuff. 214 00:09:24,384 --> 00:09:25,784 Speaker 1: But it was hard to kind of tap into the 215 00:09:25,824 --> 00:09:27,424 Speaker 1: silly side of it when you think about the fact 216 00:09:27,424 --> 00:09:29,824 Speaker 1: that Mike Tyson is a convicted rape. Yeah, he was 217 00:09:29,904 --> 00:09:31,984 Speaker 1: convicted and did the word. 218 00:09:32,664 --> 00:09:36,064 Speaker 2: He has like literally had a trial. I've said, yep, 219 00:09:36,384 --> 00:09:41,304 Speaker 2: you did it, and now this like it's very it's gross. 220 00:09:41,824 --> 00:09:44,464 Speaker 1: Exactly. He was convicted of raping an eighteen year old woman. 221 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:46,864 Speaker 1: He was found guilty of rape and also two counts 222 00:09:46,904 --> 00:09:50,664 Speaker 1: of deviant sexual conduct. He's always maintained his innocence around 223 00:09:50,704 --> 00:09:52,304 Speaker 1: this and has said like, I didn't do it. I 224 00:09:52,344 --> 00:09:54,624 Speaker 1: think a lot of people attach themselves that saying, like 225 00:09:54,664 --> 00:09:56,424 Speaker 1: he said he didn't do it, but like he was 226 00:09:56,504 --> 00:09:59,064 Speaker 1: convicted of it. That's the thing that's like the courts, 227 00:09:59,184 --> 00:10:00,944 Speaker 1: and it's as we know from like all the different 228 00:10:00,984 --> 00:10:03,184 Speaker 1: women that come forward their stories, it's very hard to 229 00:10:03,264 --> 00:10:05,144 Speaker 1: convict someone like, you know, to show proof of that 230 00:10:05,464 --> 00:10:07,504 Speaker 1: and to have a conviction to have that go through. 231 00:10:07,584 --> 00:10:11,024 Speaker 1: It's very very hard to actually have enough evidence to 232 00:10:11,104 --> 00:10:13,424 Speaker 1: prove something like that. In this particular case, there was 233 00:10:13,464 --> 00:10:15,344 Speaker 1: a huge amount of evidence. And so I found it 234 00:10:15,424 --> 00:10:17,504 Speaker 1: weird that everyone was clapping and cheering him on like 235 00:10:17,624 --> 00:10:20,424 Speaker 1: this kind of returning hero and sort of saying he's 236 00:10:20,504 --> 00:10:22,664 Speaker 1: overcome so much. It's like, yeah, what he's overcome as 237 00:10:22,664 --> 00:10:25,424 Speaker 1: a rapid action, I feel like so many people I 238 00:10:25,544 --> 00:10:27,304 Speaker 1: know who were posting about it and like having a 239 00:10:27,384 --> 00:10:29,944 Speaker 1: laugh about it didn't know that information because they otherwise 240 00:10:29,944 --> 00:10:31,624 Speaker 1: I don't think they would have been prosing yd A one. 241 00:10:31,664 --> 00:10:33,304 Speaker 2: And also, I think most of the time now we 242 00:10:33,424 --> 00:10:35,904 Speaker 2: associate Mike Tyson with the hangover, with the funny lisp, 243 00:10:36,464 --> 00:10:39,424 Speaker 2: the ear biting situation, you know, the other things kind 244 00:10:39,424 --> 00:10:41,944 Speaker 2: of come to the forefront more so than that. And 245 00:10:42,064 --> 00:10:44,224 Speaker 2: I think most people we know, if they were told 246 00:10:44,464 --> 00:10:46,984 Speaker 2: remember this or did you know this happened? I mean, 247 00:10:47,064 --> 00:10:48,544 Speaker 2: your behave is different, right, You're not going to be 248 00:10:48,584 --> 00:10:50,544 Speaker 2: posting about it, maybe not gonna be watching it. But hey, 249 00:10:50,624 --> 00:10:53,424 Speaker 2: maybe that is just the Mic Tyson pr machine that 250 00:10:53,504 --> 00:10:56,584 Speaker 2: they've managed to kind of carefully orchestrate the way we'd 251 00:10:56,624 --> 00:10:58,824 Speaker 2: think of this guy, because I think many people, if 252 00:10:58,824 --> 00:11:01,264 Speaker 2: they didn't know, maybe they just forgot. And maybe some 253 00:11:01,304 --> 00:11:02,864 Speaker 2: people are not going to be feeling a bit stupid. 254 00:11:02,944 --> 00:11:05,304 Speaker 2: But I mean with such information at I thinker tips 255 00:11:05,304 --> 00:11:07,224 Speaker 2: these days, like it's so easy for us to kind 256 00:11:07,264 --> 00:11:10,504 Speaker 2: of take responsibility for what we're doing and saying in 257 00:11:10,864 --> 00:11:13,384 Speaker 2: maybe just do some researching, just some googling. 258 00:11:13,944 --> 00:11:17,704 Speaker 1: Nana. So we found another update in the Hugh Jackman 259 00:11:17,904 --> 00:11:21,824 Speaker 1: and Sutton Foster dating saga. So a couple of weeks ago, 260 00:11:22,184 --> 00:11:24,704 Speaker 1: it was only reported, but by quite a few kind 261 00:11:24,704 --> 00:11:28,184 Speaker 1: of reputable publications like People magazine, that Hugh Jackman and 262 00:11:28,304 --> 00:11:31,784 Speaker 1: Sutton Foster were in a relationship. So they were in 263 00:11:31,984 --> 00:11:35,704 Speaker 1: the big Broadway smash hit musical music Man, which ran 264 00:11:35,784 --> 00:11:38,784 Speaker 1: from February twenty twenty two to January twenty twenty three, 265 00:11:39,304 --> 00:11:40,904 Speaker 1: and a lot was kind of sid at the time 266 00:11:40,944 --> 00:11:44,024 Speaker 1: about how amazing they're on stage chemistry was, and how 267 00:11:44,224 --> 00:11:46,184 Speaker 1: lovely they always looked like, going to events and walking 268 00:11:46,264 --> 00:11:49,224 Speaker 1: red carpets, and they both talked about bonding over their careers, 269 00:11:49,264 --> 00:11:52,504 Speaker 1: their love of music, adopting children, so many lovely things, 270 00:11:52,704 --> 00:11:54,744 Speaker 1: And at the time there was I don't think ever 271 00:11:54,864 --> 00:11:57,144 Speaker 1: kind of an inkling that there was romance between them, 272 00:11:57,144 --> 00:11:59,624 Speaker 1: at least nothing that reached my ears. People who work 273 00:11:59,664 --> 00:12:02,104 Speaker 1: on Broadway have since told a very different story and 274 00:12:02,144 --> 00:12:03,984 Speaker 1: said it was like a very well known thing in 275 00:12:04,064 --> 00:12:05,504 Speaker 1: the industry for a long time. 276 00:12:05,704 --> 00:12:08,104 Speaker 2: But when you look at those photos in hindsight, I'm like, 277 00:12:08,224 --> 00:12:10,784 Speaker 2: with the information we have now, I'm like, uh, do 278 00:12:10,944 --> 00:12:14,144 Speaker 2: fucking you don't put your hand on someone's chest like 279 00:12:14,184 --> 00:12:16,664 Speaker 2: that unless you're in like a romantic relationship with them, 280 00:12:16,744 --> 00:12:19,504 Speaker 2: Like if I was married to Hugh Jackman. I was 281 00:12:19,584 --> 00:12:22,744 Speaker 2: seeing that my husband stood like that with any other 282 00:12:22,824 --> 00:12:26,544 Speaker 2: woman that wasn't his mom, I'd be like, ah, babe. 283 00:12:26,344 --> 00:12:29,384 Speaker 1: Well so ashnew. I'm just shocked over here. I was like, 284 00:12:29,584 --> 00:12:30,784 Speaker 1: they're just best friends. 285 00:12:30,544 --> 00:12:33,904 Speaker 2: Guys, come on, No, with hindsight, though maybe I just 286 00:12:33,984 --> 00:12:37,304 Speaker 2: didn't want to believe it. No, because they were like unbreakable. 287 00:12:37,344 --> 00:12:39,224 Speaker 2: They were a couple. They loved each other so much 288 00:12:39,344 --> 00:12:41,584 Speaker 2: Deborly and Hugh that we were like, well, they must 289 00:12:41,744 --> 00:12:44,464 Speaker 2: just be friends. That is how strong that the pool 290 00:12:44,744 --> 00:12:45,744 Speaker 2: of Deborey and Hugh. 291 00:12:45,824 --> 00:12:49,024 Speaker 1: Was exactly so. Deborah and Hugh announced their separation September 292 00:12:49,144 --> 00:12:51,264 Speaker 1: last year, which, again I'm just shocked all the time. 293 00:12:51,304 --> 00:12:53,024 Speaker 1: I was shocked by that, just because I thought they'd 294 00:12:53,024 --> 00:12:55,184 Speaker 1: been so many allegations for so long. They've been together 295 00:12:55,264 --> 00:12:57,744 Speaker 1: for such a long time. And then Hugh kind of 296 00:12:57,904 --> 00:13:00,024 Speaker 1: went off and lived his best single gal life, like 297 00:13:00,144 --> 00:13:02,824 Speaker 1: going out with Taylor Swift and Ryan Reynolds and posting 298 00:13:02,864 --> 00:13:04,504 Speaker 1: weird stuff on his Instagram. But you know, he was 299 00:13:04,544 --> 00:13:05,984 Speaker 1: just he was out there kind of just trying to 300 00:13:06,264 --> 00:13:07,744 Speaker 1: find his feet as a single boy. 301 00:13:07,824 --> 00:13:10,624 Speaker 2: Wow. Yes, it's been a while, he's fighting his feet 302 00:13:10,624 --> 00:13:12,584 Speaker 2: and where will he forum supporting him as long as 303 00:13:12,624 --> 00:13:14,584 Speaker 2: he didn't do the dirty on our deporate. 304 00:13:15,024 --> 00:13:17,904 Speaker 1: Well, that's where people are getting it suspicious, because, as 305 00:13:17,944 --> 00:13:20,664 Speaker 1: we talked about our few episodes ago, a few months later, 306 00:13:20,864 --> 00:13:23,784 Speaker 1: Sutton Foster announced her divorce from her husband, Ted Griffin. 307 00:13:23,984 --> 00:13:26,664 Speaker 1: They had been together for many years, and that's when 308 00:13:26,784 --> 00:13:30,984 Speaker 1: the story started circulating that Sutton and Hugh were together. 309 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:34,264 Speaker 1: And even though they haven't been photographed anywhere and neither 310 00:13:34,304 --> 00:13:36,744 Speaker 1: of them have commented on it, a lot of publications 311 00:13:36,824 --> 00:13:39,784 Speaker 1: have run articles saying that they're one hundred percent together, 312 00:13:40,064 --> 00:13:41,984 Speaker 1: and the fact that they haven't refuted it, and not 313 00:13:42,104 --> 00:13:45,144 Speaker 1: that either of them ever really do like tabloid statements 314 00:13:45,304 --> 00:13:48,424 Speaker 1: or post personal stuff to their Instagram accounts. You feel like, 315 00:13:48,544 --> 00:13:51,384 Speaker 1: with how intense it got, maybe they would have said 316 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:53,624 Speaker 1: that it wasn't true if it wasn't, but they have 317 00:13:53,704 --> 00:13:55,704 Speaker 1: said nothing. So what's happened in the last couple of 318 00:13:55,824 --> 00:13:58,984 Speaker 1: days is that the scandal had heated up again because 319 00:13:59,344 --> 00:14:02,024 Speaker 1: it's been reported at Debraley furnace. So she has a 320 00:14:02,144 --> 00:14:05,304 Speaker 1: private Instagram account, so only people who follow that account 321 00:14:05,384 --> 00:14:08,144 Speaker 1: can see what she's liking and commenting on and what 322 00:14:08,264 --> 00:14:10,984 Speaker 1: people who follow her have reported. It is that she 323 00:14:11,464 --> 00:14:15,064 Speaker 1: liked a video by a blogger called Tasha Lustig, who 324 00:14:15,344 --> 00:14:17,944 Speaker 1: made a video about Hugh and said he had taken 325 00:14:18,024 --> 00:14:20,424 Speaker 1: off with his mistress and said that he was going 326 00:14:20,464 --> 00:14:23,384 Speaker 1: to soft launch his and Sutton's relationships soon. It was 327 00:14:23,464 --> 00:14:24,944 Speaker 1: kind of very much like this guy's a bit of 328 00:14:24,944 --> 00:14:29,064 Speaker 1: a dog, And Deborah reportedly liked that. And then things 329 00:14:29,104 --> 00:14:31,144 Speaker 1: got a bit more intense because in a friend of hers, 330 00:14:31,264 --> 00:14:35,224 Speaker 1: Amanda D. Kannant, remarked on social media, you are on 331 00:14:35,424 --> 00:14:38,184 Speaker 1: point with this one. My beloved friend deb is about 332 00:14:38,224 --> 00:14:40,424 Speaker 1: to have her glob any moment. FYI. 333 00:14:42,104 --> 00:14:45,064 Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with this friend because when I read that, 334 00:14:45,144 --> 00:14:46,664 Speaker 2: I was trying to think, which did my friends would 335 00:14:46,704 --> 00:14:48,944 Speaker 2: do this? You all have that one friend who would 336 00:14:49,024 --> 00:14:52,504 Speaker 2: go publicly on blast and like embarrass you a little bit, 337 00:14:52,704 --> 00:14:55,104 Speaker 2: then be like, my girl's about to have her glow up. 338 00:14:55,224 --> 00:14:57,504 Speaker 2: Like the fact that Deborah liked it, and the fact, 339 00:14:57,504 --> 00:14:59,144 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how close these people are, 340 00:14:59,624 --> 00:15:03,064 Speaker 2: but I feel like, if you know someone at all, 341 00:15:03,304 --> 00:15:07,064 Speaker 2: you don't make that comment publicly unless you're pissed off 342 00:15:07,464 --> 00:15:09,504 Speaker 2: and unless they really had the dirty done to them, 343 00:15:09,544 --> 00:15:10,104 Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. 344 00:15:10,464 --> 00:15:12,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And the fact that she said, so Amanda's 345 00:15:12,864 --> 00:15:13,704 Speaker 1: probably just out here. 346 00:15:13,984 --> 00:15:14,864 Speaker 2: She saw this video. 347 00:15:15,024 --> 00:15:16,824 Speaker 1: She got fired up because she was like, this woman 348 00:15:16,944 --> 00:15:19,544 Speaker 1: is speaking the truth because everyone else is just loving 349 00:15:19,704 --> 00:15:21,984 Speaker 1: Hu and Sutton Tailor they're loving the drama, but because 350 00:15:21,984 --> 00:15:24,864 Speaker 1: they're such beloved people. So people either love Sutton from 351 00:15:24,944 --> 00:15:27,584 Speaker 1: the TV show Younger or love her from being a 352 00:15:27,664 --> 00:15:30,024 Speaker 1: Broadway style like she's got a huge fan base. Obviously, 353 00:15:30,024 --> 00:15:32,504 Speaker 1: everyone's loved you for many years, and they love him 354 00:15:32,544 --> 00:15:36,184 Speaker 1: even more now after the whole Wolverine Deadpool resurgence because 355 00:15:36,224 --> 00:15:38,824 Speaker 1: that was such like a fan favorite moment, So people 356 00:15:38,944 --> 00:15:41,144 Speaker 1: think it's scandalous, but they're also a bit on board 357 00:15:41,184 --> 00:15:42,664 Speaker 1: with them as a new couple and they want to 358 00:15:42,744 --> 00:15:45,104 Speaker 1: know more. And I think when Deborah saw that video, 359 00:15:45,144 --> 00:15:46,944 Speaker 1: if it's true that she did like it, as people 360 00:15:46,984 --> 00:15:49,224 Speaker 1: are saying, she saw this one person who was like, 361 00:15:49,424 --> 00:15:51,424 Speaker 1: he's a dog, he's done the wrong thing, so she 362 00:15:51,704 --> 00:15:53,944 Speaker 1: liked it. And then I'm assuming that Amanda saw that 363 00:15:54,104 --> 00:15:56,824 Speaker 1: and was like, yeah, we're doing this and then jumped 364 00:15:56,904 --> 00:15:59,584 Speaker 1: him and it was like red to a bull. She 365 00:15:59,744 --> 00:16:01,584 Speaker 1: just went for it and was like you were on 366 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:03,544 Speaker 1: point with this, which I think is like the interesting 367 00:16:03,584 --> 00:16:05,904 Speaker 1: thing because she's confirming She goes on to talk about 368 00:16:05,944 --> 00:16:07,744 Speaker 1: Deborah having a glow up and all this sort of 369 00:16:07,784 --> 00:16:10,624 Speaker 1: stuff and that people will see, but she's also saying 370 00:16:10,664 --> 00:16:12,504 Speaker 1: that what's being said in the video that they cheated 371 00:16:12,664 --> 00:16:15,104 Speaker 1: is true, which I think is the first person who 372 00:16:15,184 --> 00:16:17,304 Speaker 1: has used their own name from their inner circle to 373 00:16:17,344 --> 00:16:17,904 Speaker 1: comment on this. 374 00:16:18,624 --> 00:16:21,064 Speaker 2: Yeah. I really hope that when I really am a 375 00:16:21,104 --> 00:16:23,824 Speaker 2: firm believer that you can fall in love with someone 376 00:16:23,864 --> 00:16:26,984 Speaker 2: without cheating on your partner, right, you can know that 377 00:16:27,144 --> 00:16:29,584 Speaker 2: you have a deep connection with somebody and that you're 378 00:16:29,624 --> 00:16:32,744 Speaker 2: meant to be together whatever, without breaking any rules. Maybe 379 00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:35,784 Speaker 2: there's kind of some emotional attachment there, but I really 380 00:16:35,864 --> 00:16:38,904 Speaker 2: do think you can know without crossing any boundaries. And 381 00:16:38,984 --> 00:16:42,384 Speaker 2: it is entirely possible that these two people, for whatever reason, 382 00:16:43,184 --> 00:16:46,584 Speaker 2: maybe had grown distant already from their spouses or maybe not, 383 00:16:47,184 --> 00:16:49,104 Speaker 2: or maybe you just meet someone and you go, oh gosh, 384 00:16:49,184 --> 00:16:50,664 Speaker 2: like a bolt of lightning, I need to be with 385 00:16:50,744 --> 00:16:53,664 Speaker 2: this person, and I think that's okay. What's not okay 386 00:16:53,904 --> 00:16:56,304 Speaker 2: is then doing something about it before you've extricated yourself 387 00:16:56,384 --> 00:16:58,624 Speaker 2: from the relationship that you're committed to. And I don't 388 00:16:58,664 --> 00:17:01,544 Speaker 2: know whether that happened, but I just want to say 389 00:17:01,784 --> 00:17:04,384 Speaker 2: I am playing devil's advocate here. I do think you 390 00:17:04,464 --> 00:17:06,264 Speaker 2: can fall in love with someone and they can fall 391 00:17:06,304 --> 00:17:08,624 Speaker 2: in love with you without anything dodgy happening. 392 00:17:09,264 --> 00:17:11,384 Speaker 1: Yes, I mean that is also that's the dream scenario, 393 00:17:11,424 --> 00:17:13,184 Speaker 1: if you're gonna get stuck in something like that. The 394 00:17:13,264 --> 00:17:14,984 Speaker 1: thing is that we just don't know the timeline, Like 395 00:17:15,104 --> 00:17:17,424 Speaker 1: it could be possible. Maybe it sounds really naive, but 396 00:17:17,464 --> 00:17:20,384 Speaker 1: it could be possible that they both split up with 397 00:17:20,504 --> 00:17:23,944 Speaker 1: their partners, they were separated, the show ended, and then 398 00:17:24,024 --> 00:17:26,064 Speaker 1: they started dating, Like I don't know, if we just 399 00:17:26,104 --> 00:17:27,864 Speaker 1: don't know the timeline, I think people are jumping to 400 00:17:27,944 --> 00:17:30,304 Speaker 1: this conclusion that these two people were together for the 401 00:17:30,584 --> 00:17:32,504 Speaker 1: entire run of the show when they were both married, 402 00:17:32,584 --> 00:17:35,144 Speaker 1: so which is obviously a messier story. I don't think 403 00:17:35,144 --> 00:17:37,184 Speaker 1: we're ever really gonna know the truth because I don't 404 00:17:37,184 --> 00:17:38,664 Speaker 1: think it's they're the kind of people who would do 405 00:17:38,784 --> 00:17:40,744 Speaker 1: any kind of a tell oil or anything like this. 406 00:17:41,104 --> 00:17:44,224 Speaker 2: I imagine Deboraly sitting down with like Oprah, even like 407 00:17:44,344 --> 00:17:44,944 Speaker 2: Drew Barrow. 408 00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:47,824 Speaker 1: She might do an interview. I think if anyone's going 409 00:17:47,864 --> 00:17:49,904 Speaker 1: to do an interview, because she kind of can take 410 00:17:49,944 --> 00:17:52,304 Speaker 1: the higher ground on this, and if she ever does 411 00:17:52,384 --> 00:17:54,344 Speaker 1: like kind of a long form interview with someone like that, 412 00:17:54,424 --> 00:17:56,344 Speaker 1: I feel like she would bring it up. Hugh's gonna 413 00:17:56,384 --> 00:17:57,664 Speaker 1: have to talk about it one day. It's going to 414 00:17:57,704 --> 00:17:59,904 Speaker 1: be like when he's doing like another Vogue or Vanity 415 00:17:59,984 --> 00:18:02,944 Speaker 1: Fair profile. They've got all the moody photos and then 416 00:18:03,064 --> 00:18:05,624 Speaker 1: there's gonna be one pre approved question where they can 417 00:18:05,704 --> 00:18:07,904 Speaker 1: ask me about his life, and they'll bury it kind 418 00:18:07,904 --> 00:18:09,664 Speaker 1: of in the bottom of the article, and he'll say, yeah, 419 00:18:09,664 --> 00:18:10,984 Speaker 1: you know, it's a tough time, but I just looked 420 00:18:10,984 --> 00:18:13,064 Speaker 1: to my family and my kids, and we know what's real. 421 00:18:13,184 --> 00:18:15,384 Speaker 1: I'm a public figure, but I can't really get caught 422 00:18:15,464 --> 00:18:16,944 Speaker 1: en up in anything like that. And that's all he'll 423 00:18:16,944 --> 00:18:19,144 Speaker 1: say about it. Yet, that's how it's gonna play. And 424 00:18:19,224 --> 00:18:20,984 Speaker 1: for their sake, they're gonna have to stay together for 425 00:18:21,024 --> 00:18:23,464 Speaker 1: at least ten years. Like he can't be he can't 426 00:18:23,464 --> 00:18:25,064 Speaker 1: believe in Deborah and then. 427 00:18:25,624 --> 00:18:27,584 Speaker 2: Breaking up with this new girl for six months. I 428 00:18:27,624 --> 00:18:29,464 Speaker 2: don't think people will accept that. I think we need 429 00:18:29,584 --> 00:18:32,304 Speaker 2: Hu to be in like long term monogamous relationships and 430 00:18:32,384 --> 00:18:34,784 Speaker 2: we need to see him as that loving partner that's 431 00:18:34,824 --> 00:18:36,984 Speaker 2: in it for the long run. That's just that's what 432 00:18:37,104 --> 00:18:40,144 Speaker 2: I need personally from Hugh, but whatever, it's not up 433 00:18:40,184 --> 00:18:40,344 Speaker 2: to me. 434 00:18:41,064 --> 00:18:43,384 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for listening to the Spill today, 435 00:18:43,504 --> 00:18:45,024 Speaker 1: and if you want more from us, make sure you 436 00:18:45,064 --> 00:18:47,464 Speaker 1: are following us on Instagram. We are the Spill podcast. 437 00:18:47,864 --> 00:18:50,184 Speaker 1: We post some funny pop culture stuff. As we said 438 00:18:50,264 --> 00:18:54,344 Speaker 1: last week, there's some sexy things happening. We post videos, interviews, stories, 439 00:18:54,584 --> 00:18:55,984 Speaker 1: just all the extra stuff that you don't get on 440 00:18:56,064 --> 00:18:58,864 Speaker 1: the podcast. And we are lucky enough to have Ash 441 00:18:58,944 --> 00:19:01,544 Speaker 1: with us on the Spill all week. So we'll see 442 00:19:01,584 --> 00:19:03,544 Speaker 1: you all back here on your podcast feed at three 443 00:19:03,624 --> 00:19:04,224 Speaker 1: pm tomorrow. 444 00:19:04,424 --> 00:19:06,304 Speaker 2: Bye bye Lan