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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land and

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Speaker 2: waters that this podcast is recorded on.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Parenting out Loud, the podcast for parents who

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Speaker 3: don't always listen to parenting podcasts. Here we are again

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Speaker 3: with another week of parenting culture. And it's school holidays

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Speaker 3: and fuck like save us.

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Speaker 2: I'm Amelia Last and I am Stacey Hicks. What are

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Speaker 2: you doing with your school holidays?

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Speaker 4: Mons?

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Speaker 3: Okay, don't be jealous, but this morning I went to Costco.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I am jealous. I love Costco.

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Speaker 4: I've never been. It looks like wonderland for me. I

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Speaker 4: want to go.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you don't go hungry and just go with

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Speaker 3: a full belly and fully caffeinated. It is got such

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Speaker 3: a wide on pulling my king side week and I've

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Speaker 3: bought like ninety six rolls of toilet paper and we're good.

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Speaker 4: We're good holidays.

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Speaker 1: We're restoring those.

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Speaker 3: We've got a big shed because I don't live in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: I live in a place where we have more room,

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Speaker 3: so we have the room to store the crossca toiler

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Speaker 3: rolls here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just love that your school holiday plans seem

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Speaker 5: to involve a lot of toilet papers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah sounds great, sounds like a rager, all right.

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Speaker 3: Coming up on today's show, What Are You Keeping for

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Speaker 3: Your Kids?

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Speaker 4: Rihanna has some ideas.

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Speaker 5: And look, the childcare system is in crisis, but there's

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Speaker 5: a woman with an idea that might just work.

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Speaker 3: And do kids need social media prep school? Because I

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Speaker 3: saw this thing on TikTok. It's a woman teaching her

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Speaker 3: kid how the brain responds to social media before she

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Speaker 3: even gets a phone. Is this the new pen license?

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Speaker 2: But first, before we go any further with the show,

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Speaker 2: this is a topic I really wish we did not

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Speaker 2: have to cover here, but it's pretty impossible to miss

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Speaker 2: the headlines around it. This week you would have seen

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Speaker 2: that the US President Donald Trump linked the use of

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Speaker 2: tail and old, which is what we call paracetamol here

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Speaker 2: make it very clear in case you haven't seen it

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Speaker 2: everywhere on every new side in the world this week.

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Speaker 4: He's full of shit.

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Speaker 2: Every global medical professional has disagreed with this claim.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, this has.

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Speaker 2: Caused a lot of confusion and anxiety for anyone who's

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Speaker 2: been pregnant or planning to be, and Muma Mia out

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Speaker 2: Loud did a full explainer on Wednesday. If you want

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Speaker 2: to go back and listen to that, we'll link it

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Speaker 2: in the show notes. That's all he gets from us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Talie moving on lap from one world leader to another.

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Speaker 3: In case you missed it, former New Zealand Prime Minister

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Speaker 3: Jacinda Ardirn has written a children's book and it was

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Speaker 3: released this week. It's called Mum's Busy Work and it's

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Speaker 3: illustrated by Ruby Jones. Remember we cannot forget the illustrators.

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Speaker 3: They are very important, and it's through the eyes of

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Speaker 3: sometimes doesn't want to go to work, but she always

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Speaker 3: makes it clear that her child is her greatest work.

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Speaker 3: This is so curious to me and I can't wait

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Speaker 3: the book. The book is part of our rotation now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd love Boris Johnson's book about being a working

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Speaker 5: It's sort of like, remember there was this trend a

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Speaker 1: That he can be anything in the whole world? Probably not?

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Speaker 2: it's great and it almost I did see it and go,

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Speaker 2: oh good, that will give me permission.

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Speaker 4: If she's a world leader doing it, I can do it.

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Speaker 1: It's fine.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's a bad book. It's a great book.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, if we just take a step back,

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Speaker 3: also just Cinda Arderne is not the first world leader

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Speaker 3: to write a children's book. So King John Ill who

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Speaker 1: What was it about?

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Speaker 3: It was a mercile, violent book about basically North Korea

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Speaker 5: And it's also like, do we want our children's books

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Speaker 5: long for children's books that can take us into a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you can just be a hippopotamus on a

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Speaker 3: There's this mum on TikTok that started a social media

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Speaker 7: Let's say that you post a video online. We'll say

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Speaker 7: Maybe they had a bad day and they're just putting

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Speaker 3: The comments in this were widely applauding this woman, and

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Speaker 3: I just want to throw it out there. Should we

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Speaker 3: please do this course in the same way that you

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Speaker 5: it's not about your dancing. It never is about your dancing.

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Speaker 5: It's about what that person's feeling. But I want to

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Speaker 5: Internet culture. And this was really highlighted for me with

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Speaker 5: journalists who don't understand the Internet subcultures of young people,

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Speaker 5: Often these people just prefer to use the Internet aliases

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Speaker 2: To me, yeah, I feel the same way. Like I

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Speaker 2: to keep up with what they're doing. I read this

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Speaker 2: great substack that Mia Friedman actually recommended to our entire

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Speaker 2: mom and mea team called after School by Casey Loss.

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Speaker 1: Such a good news.

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Speaker 4: So good, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: And it just makes me feel like down with the

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Speaker 2: So I love it in that respect and that it

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Speaker 3: So I'm not sure if I completely agree with that point, respectfully,

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Speaker 3: because I think children's brains are not fully developed and adults'

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Speaker 3: two things. So I hear what you're saying about we

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Speaker 3: need to understand the culture. But I do think children

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Speaker 2: But do you feel like it needs to almost be younger?

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Speaker 2: Like at eleven, they've probably been around phones and access

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Speaker 5: There's a woman who might have a solution, but she's

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Speaker 1: Just like we expect.

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Speaker 5: Other people who do a job to be paid, we

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Speaker 1: And also, frankly, it makes me feel like shit. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I feel really uncomfortable bringing her up. But the reason

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Speaker 5: Here's what Virginia would say, when you take children out

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Speaker 5: you are not giving them the best opportunities. Now again,

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Speaker 5: In fact, her bigger point is that we need to

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Speaker 5: We need to stop pushing that care aside and saying

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it does.

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Speaker 2: That was the thing that stuck out to me the

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Speaker 4: But that's absolutely not true.

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Speaker 2: Like the work that women are doing, all the work

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Speaker 5: So here's what it might look like in concrete terms

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Speaker 1: Yeah, much much longer. And instead of sending.

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Speaker 5: Government subsidies to childcare centers, what virgin you would advocate

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I read the parliamentary submission of Virginia's collective

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Speaker 3: And I think what they're arguing is, what if we

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Speaker 3: What if we gave a parental allowance if you're working

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Speaker 3: Second it's violently opposed, and third it's accepted as being

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Speaker 3: The idea that care work could be valued and well supported,

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Speaker 3: probably somewhere between stages one and two. But together we

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Speaker 3: to put it crudely, what Virginia Tapscot and the Parents

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Speaker 4: But would you want to?

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Speaker 3: A compulsory Stacey, it's not compulsory. This is about actually

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Speaker 5: So the problem with I think what Virginia's saying is, yes,

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Speaker 5: Once love the idea of that bridging payment between paid

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Speaker 3: But that's already happening. To your point about the Nordic

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Speaker 5: I think that he's not talking about stay at home

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea, and I think it also would

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Speaker 4: And that's a good thing.

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Speaker 5: though that is a thing that governments around the world

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Speaker 5: are thankfully realizing that they need to do. Virginia tap

442
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Speaker 5: Scott Bully is that it doesn't matter how quality that

443
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Speaker 5: early childhood education is and how much money the government

444
00:21:07,165 --> 00:21:10,885
Speaker 5: throws at it, and how many postgraduate degrees our care

445
00:21:11,005 --> 00:21:14,685
Speaker 5: educators have. It is not a substitute for at home

446
00:21:14,725 --> 00:21:17,725
Speaker 5: care to her, it's a very clear binary. And what

447
00:21:17,765 --> 00:21:19,885
Speaker 5: I worry about with that is it's so great to

448
00:21:19,965 --> 00:21:22,845
Speaker 5: be finally saying that just because you're not paid for

449
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Speaker 5: something doesn't mean that you're not contributing something incredibly valuable

450
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Speaker 5: to society, arguably the most valuable. But what does that

451
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Speaker 5: mean for women's roles more generally when they are being

452
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Speaker 5: implicitly and explicitly encouraged to stay at home for the

453
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Speaker 5: good of the child.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit of a privileged position to be in,

455
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Speaker 3: isn't it. Do you think it's linked to the tradwife

456
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Speaker 3: movement Stacy.

457
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Speaker 2: Well, she's kind of saying that it's not. She's almost

458
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Speaker 2: going against that.

459
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Speaker 5: She says she's not a tad wife because what she's

460
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Speaker 5: saying is it doesn't matter whether you're a dad or

461
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Speaker 5: a mum. The point is you need someone at home

462
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Speaker 5: with the kids who's engaged in that care and who

463
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Speaker 5: is valued for that care. Trad Wives lean into the

464
00:22:01,805 --> 00:22:06,524
Speaker 5: kind of fetishizing of that whole thing as almost not

465
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Speaker 5: something that you should be paid for, but rather something

466
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Speaker 5: that looks really.

467
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Speaker 1: Pretty and it's great for us.

468
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Speaker 2: And she actually has written for mummamea a bit before

469
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Speaker 2: tumons what you said about it being like a privilege game,

470
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Speaker 2: because I definitely thought the same thing. I thought, oh,

471
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Speaker 2: it'd be great to have that choice, but not everybody's

472
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Speaker 2: got that choice. But she did a brilliant piece for

473
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Speaker 2: Mumamea called people think stay at home parents must be wealthy,

474
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Speaker 2: but this is the true cost, and she interviewed so

475
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Speaker 2: many parents, mostly mothers, about what sacrifices they were kind

476
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Speaker 2: of making and what arrangements they were using to be

477
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Speaker 2: able to do this and to have someone at home

478
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Speaker 2: with their child at all times. So a lot of

479
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Speaker 2: them it involved moving to more rural areas so that

480
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Speaker 2: their rent was lower, or for others it meant, you know,

481
00:22:45,565 --> 00:22:48,645
Speaker 2: never taking holidays, never having meals out. Others they were

482
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Speaker 2: doing shift work where they tag team to be.

483
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Speaker 4: With the kids.

484
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Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily just something for people who have

485
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Speaker 2: got like a really high income earner in their family.

486
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Speaker 2: People are choosing this for their own reasons, whether that's

487
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Speaker 2: to stay away from childcare or whether to just be

488
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Speaker 2: more present and making sacrifices to make that happen. And

489
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Speaker 2: I just want to make it very clear when we're

490
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Speaker 2: talking about this that there are some brilliant and childcare

491
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Speaker 2: educators out there that are doing an incredible job. I

492
00:23:13,965 --> 00:23:17,725
Speaker 2: know I trusted my daughter's early childhood educators with my

493
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Speaker 2: life with my child. We don't want to undermine the

494
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Speaker 2: amazing work that they're doing, but more talking about the

495
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Speaker 2: system as a whole.

496
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Speaker 1: Anyway.

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Speaker 5: I hope that us talking about this hasn't made anyone

498
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Speaker 5: feel bad about their choices. Our intent by bringing it

499
00:23:30,045 --> 00:23:32,685
Speaker 5: here was a to sort of touch on this huge

500
00:23:32,725 --> 00:23:35,925
Speaker 5: topic that parents all over Australia are thinking about right now,

501
00:23:36,285 --> 00:23:39,725
Speaker 5: and b to get us thinking about radical solutions because

502
00:23:39,845 --> 00:23:41,085
Speaker 5: things can't go on like this.

503
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Speaker 2: If you're someone who has a closet stuff full of

504
00:23:45,045 --> 00:23:47,085
Speaker 2: clothes you haven't worn in years, but you can't bear

505
00:23:47,125 --> 00:23:48,925
Speaker 2: to part with, I have good news.

506
00:23:49,165 --> 00:23:51,565
Speaker 4: You're not a hoarder. It's not clutter.

507
00:23:52,005 --> 00:23:55,725
Speaker 2: It's now being rebranded as a collection, a love collection.

508
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Speaker 4: I'm going to call it.

509
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Speaker 2: That's according to a very unlikely hero asap Rocky, also

510
00:24:00,925 --> 00:24:05,445
Speaker 2: known as I thought it was asap rock you and

511
00:24:05,484 --> 00:24:08,365
Speaker 2: mea Friedman both because I have also heard her refer

512
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Speaker 2: to this rapper as asap.

513
00:24:10,765 --> 00:24:13,245
Speaker 4: No, it's asap Rocky.

514
00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:16,525
Speaker 1: Asap Rocky. That social media class you really do.

515
00:24:17,085 --> 00:24:21,045
Speaker 2: He is also known as Rihanna's other half. The Rapper

516
00:24:21,085 --> 00:24:23,405
Speaker 2: spoke this week about how he and Rihanna plan to

517
00:24:23,484 --> 00:24:25,725
Speaker 2: keep all their iconic fashion looks to hand down to

518
00:24:25,765 --> 00:24:29,285
Speaker 2: their three children. So they've got sons Rizza and Riot

519
00:24:29,365 --> 00:24:32,125
Speaker 2: and a daughter who they just announced the birth of

520
00:24:32,165 --> 00:24:34,244
Speaker 2: this week, called Rocky. So they're kind of doing the

521
00:24:34,325 --> 00:24:36,484
Speaker 2: Kardashian thing where all the kids have got the same

522
00:24:36,765 --> 00:24:39,605
Speaker 2: letter name. And he said, at this point, it's not

523
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Speaker 2: even being a hoarder, it's being a collector. So I

524
00:24:42,765 --> 00:24:44,565
Speaker 2: want to know, have you two got a room full

525
00:24:44,605 --> 00:24:46,925
Speaker 2: of coture gowns you're planning to hand down.

526
00:24:46,725 --> 00:24:51,165
Speaker 5: To is like the iconic Australian band, the Hoarders and Collectors?

527
00:24:53,045 --> 00:24:54,405
Speaker 4: Yeah, what have you got? What are you going to

528
00:24:54,405 --> 00:24:55,564
Speaker 4: give for nothing?

529
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Speaker 3: Because there's this phenomenon that I've read about called boomed junk.

530
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Speaker 1: Have you heard of boomer junk?

531
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Speaker 3: No, it's it's all have a TikTok where every millennial

532
00:25:04,325 --> 00:25:06,165
Speaker 3: that goes home to see their parents gets just handed

533
00:25:06,245 --> 00:25:08,085
Speaker 3: a box of stuff that their parents are like, oh,

534
00:25:08,085 --> 00:25:10,284
Speaker 3: we're just keeping this for you for when you're older.

535
00:25:10,605 --> 00:25:13,125
Speaker 3: So there's this theory that boomers were raised by parents

536
00:25:13,205 --> 00:25:15,885
Speaker 3: who are shaped by the Great Depression, so they rarely

537
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Speaker 3: get rid of anything for fear of needing it later.

538
00:25:18,805 --> 00:25:22,685
Speaker 3: And many boomers are also collectors and they're highly sentimental.

539
00:25:23,165 --> 00:25:25,805
Speaker 3: They also own their own homes, so they stay in

540
00:25:25,845 --> 00:25:28,725
Speaker 3: them for longer, meaning that they can just accumulate more stuff,

541
00:25:29,285 --> 00:25:34,044
Speaker 3: and then the stuff becomes our problem. So asap Rocky

542
00:25:34,285 --> 00:25:37,965
Speaker 3: is just doing, we've moved from boomer junk to millennial junk.

543
00:25:38,125 --> 00:25:39,165
Speaker 3: It's the natural revolution.

544
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Speaker 5: When I heard this, I immediately my mind immediately went to

545
00:25:42,845 --> 00:25:45,365
Speaker 5: the fact that Sarah Jessica Parker gave an interview early

546
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Speaker 5: this year with w magazine and spoke about the same

547
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Speaker 5: idea regarding her daughters, who just turned sixteen this year.

548
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Speaker 2: Oh, because she has an amazing shoe collection, I'm sure,

549
00:25:54,165 --> 00:25:55,405
Speaker 2: and keeps everything from the show.

550
00:25:55,484 --> 00:25:58,165
Speaker 3: Right, She's kept everything from every show, every outfit from

551
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Speaker 3: every show.

552
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Speaker 4: Do you let your daughters borrow your shoes?

553
00:26:01,484 --> 00:26:04,765
Speaker 6: Here's the sad truth is that they really don't fit

554
00:26:04,805 --> 00:26:08,845
Speaker 6: them anymore. Are the wrong size, and that's not going

555
00:26:08,925 --> 00:26:10,085
Speaker 6: to go backwards.

556
00:26:09,885 --> 00:26:11,445
Speaker 3: It's really kind of awful.

557
00:26:11,085 --> 00:26:14,685
Speaker 6: Though one of them seems to lately fit some of them,

558
00:26:14,805 --> 00:26:17,005
Speaker 6: but they don't really ask for them that much. Thus far,

559
00:26:17,045 --> 00:26:19,764
Speaker 6: they're not really like raiding my closet or anything. They

560
00:26:19,885 --> 00:26:21,365
Speaker 6: very much they have their own style.

561
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Speaker 5: This is the thing, Like there's no guarantee like Asap Rocky,

562
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I cannot get off the Asap and Rihanna.

563
00:26:28,845 --> 00:26:32,245
Speaker 5: Like obviously they have iconic style, each of them as individuals.

564
00:26:32,245 --> 00:26:35,725
Speaker 5: But it's going to be like remember the nineties sitcom

565
00:26:35,805 --> 00:26:39,085
Speaker 5: Absolutely Fabulous, And in that show you had this kind

566
00:26:39,125 --> 00:26:42,484
Speaker 5: of fashion easter mother Adina Monsoon and then her daughter

567
00:26:42,685 --> 00:26:48,365
Speaker 5: Safie who actually hated fashion. Asap and Ree's children.

568
00:26:48,205 --> 00:26:49,845
Speaker 1: Are going to hate fashion.

569
00:26:49,965 --> 00:26:52,845
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're going to be like hawkish and like refuse

570
00:26:52,965 --> 00:26:54,965
Speaker 5: to wear any of the gorgeous gowns.

571
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Speaker 3: They might not. And also, okay, now I'm going to

572
00:26:56,965 --> 00:27:01,125
Speaker 3: defend Asap Rocky in Rihanna because this isn't like stained

573
00:27:01,245 --> 00:27:04,645
Speaker 3: bonds onesies that they're keeping. This is proper couture and

574
00:27:05,045 --> 00:27:09,284
Speaker 3: proper beautiful fashion that's been crafted and that's artistic. So

575
00:27:09,965 --> 00:27:12,605
Speaker 3: all the experts say is that if you're going to

576
00:27:12,685 --> 00:27:15,005
Speaker 3: keep stuff, try and limit what you keep to only

577
00:27:15,045 --> 00:27:18,004
Speaker 3: what's really special, and then also include a note for

578
00:27:18,125 --> 00:27:21,484
Speaker 3: context or a little story about the item. So It's like,

579
00:27:21,765 --> 00:27:26,845
Speaker 3: dear little Rizza, whatever their name is, this is what

580
00:27:27,005 --> 00:27:29,645
Speaker 3: I wore to the met Gulla and I sat next

581
00:27:29,685 --> 00:27:31,965
Speaker 3: to and a wind tool. Like that's a cool story.

582
00:27:32,445 --> 00:27:34,564
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what are we doing like handing down a

583
00:27:34,685 --> 00:27:37,605
Speaker 2: musty spice girl's T shirt and being like I bought

584
00:27:37,685 --> 00:27:39,445
Speaker 2: this in nineteen ninety.

585
00:27:39,165 --> 00:27:41,085
Speaker 4: Two, Like they don't care.

586
00:27:41,165 --> 00:27:42,325
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do with that?

587
00:27:42,484 --> 00:27:42,725
Speaker 6: Now?

588
00:27:43,365 --> 00:27:47,165
Speaker 3: My mum kept a pair of flares and oh, epic, epic.

589
00:27:47,484 --> 00:27:49,565
Speaker 3: She only kept a few select things and they're pretty

590
00:27:49,605 --> 00:27:50,765
Speaker 3: great to get out and try on.

591
00:27:51,085 --> 00:27:53,764
Speaker 2: Well, I actually have one thing I brought Show and

592
00:27:53,765 --> 00:27:56,484
Speaker 2: Tell today. I know this is an audio media, but

593
00:27:56,605 --> 00:27:58,725
Speaker 2: I bought Show and Tell something I will be handing

594
00:27:58,725 --> 00:28:01,085
Speaker 2: down to my daughter. In fact, I already have it

595
00:28:01,165 --> 00:28:03,005
Speaker 2: is an artifact and an ancient artifactor.

596
00:28:03,005 --> 00:28:04,685
Speaker 4: I have it in my top pocket to show you.

597
00:28:04,965 --> 00:28:07,165
Speaker 3: Wait, I want to guess before you see it a

598
00:28:07,484 --> 00:28:10,205
Speaker 3: slap band swatch G show.

599
00:28:10,925 --> 00:28:12,764
Speaker 2: I didn't keep any of that, and I should have.

600
00:28:12,925 --> 00:28:18,044
Speaker 2: It is a millennial icon. It is the owl necklace always,

601
00:28:18,885 --> 00:28:22,645
Speaker 2: so we all owned this, so obviously we're a podcast.

602
00:28:22,885 --> 00:28:25,405
Speaker 2: I am holding a long pendent necklace that I'm pretty

603
00:28:25,405 --> 00:28:27,845
Speaker 2: sure I got from Diva in about two thousand and five,

604
00:28:27,885 --> 00:28:30,005
Speaker 2: two thousand and six, and I would wear it clubbing

605
00:28:30,125 --> 00:28:31,445
Speaker 2: and it has an owl on it.

606
00:28:31,565 --> 00:28:33,085
Speaker 1: Why did we think that was good?

607
00:28:33,205 --> 00:28:34,725
Speaker 4: Don't know, but we all had one.

608
00:28:35,045 --> 00:28:37,485
Speaker 2: We did, and I've somehow held on to it and

609
00:28:37,725 --> 00:28:40,605
Speaker 2: I've now passed it down. So I suggest you hold

610
00:28:40,645 --> 00:28:43,205
Speaker 2: on to the same things. And actually I have a

611
00:28:43,245 --> 00:28:46,205
Speaker 2: whole series of these necklaces, like I have about twenty

612
00:28:46,245 --> 00:28:49,005
Speaker 2: deranged millennial necklaces. So I'll put them up on the

613
00:28:49,085 --> 00:28:51,485
Speaker 2: mumu mea family Instagram if you want to have a

614
00:28:51,485 --> 00:28:53,045
Speaker 2: look at them or you're listening.

615
00:28:52,925 --> 00:28:55,965
Speaker 3: Don't hold onto the Diva necklaces. Fine, I'll hold onto

616
00:28:56,005 --> 00:29:00,165
Speaker 3: the patek Philip watch everything else can go?

617
00:29:01,045 --> 00:29:01,405
Speaker 1: All right?

618
00:29:01,645 --> 00:29:03,685
Speaker 3: To wrap up things today, we're going to share the

619
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Speaker 3: things that we're loving, sick things that we might text

620
00:29:06,165 --> 00:29:09,645
Speaker 3: to our friends or put in the mum's group chat. Amelia.

621
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Speaker 1: I have a podcast.

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Speaker 5: It is called Greeking Out, and it has the most

623
00:29:14,405 --> 00:29:18,245
Speaker 5: catchy song you've ever heard with the word mythology in it.

624
00:29:18,325 --> 00:29:21,605
Speaker 5: Because it's a national geographic podcast about ancient Greek myths.

625
00:29:22,325 --> 00:29:25,845
Speaker 5: It has been so successful that they've made eleven seasons

626
00:29:25,925 --> 00:29:27,805
Speaker 5: of it. Which should give you some idea of just

627
00:29:27,925 --> 00:29:30,765
Speaker 5: how big it's cult following is. It's been really interesting

628
00:29:30,805 --> 00:29:32,885
Speaker 5: for me because I don't know anything about Greek myths,

629
00:29:32,965 --> 00:29:34,845
Speaker 5: but I like the idea of my children knowing a

630
00:29:34,885 --> 00:29:36,765
Speaker 5: lot about Greek myths, if you know what I mean,

631
00:29:37,005 --> 00:29:37,845
Speaker 5: Like I want to be there.

632
00:29:38,085 --> 00:29:39,805
Speaker 3: Is this a kid's show or an adult show?

633
00:29:39,885 --> 00:29:40,725
Speaker 1: It's a kid's show.

634
00:29:41,285 --> 00:29:43,085
Speaker 5: I want to be that person who's like, my son's

635
00:29:43,125 --> 00:29:46,365
Speaker 5: obsessed with ancient Greek myths, and guess what he is

636
00:29:46,805 --> 00:29:49,645
Speaker 5: thanks to this podcast, And it's showing me how much

637
00:29:49,685 --> 00:29:52,165
Speaker 5: of what we talk about comes from ancient Greek myths.

638
00:29:52,245 --> 00:29:54,445
Speaker 5: Like when we say flying too close to the Sun,

639
00:29:54,965 --> 00:29:58,165
Speaker 5: we're really talking about the god Icarus, who is explored

640
00:29:58,325 --> 00:30:01,125
Speaker 5: in one of these episodes of this podcast. It's a

641
00:30:01,205 --> 00:30:04,245
Speaker 5: really listenable show. It sounds dry and boring, it's not

642
00:30:04,365 --> 00:30:06,925
Speaker 5: at all. It has two co hosts, one of which

643
00:30:07,005 --> 00:30:09,125
Speaker 5: is called the Oracle of Wi Fi, which is my

644
00:30:09,285 --> 00:30:10,365
Speaker 5: favorite title of all time.

645
00:30:10,645 --> 00:30:11,525
Speaker 1: It's really funny.

646
00:30:12,005 --> 00:30:14,925
Speaker 5: I'd say it's great for kids five and up, probably

647
00:30:15,045 --> 00:30:19,125
Speaker 5: five to ten, pretty good range age range. It's free,

648
00:30:19,205 --> 00:30:23,765
Speaker 5: it's on your favorite podcast app, and my kids love it.

649
00:30:23,925 --> 00:30:26,205
Speaker 5: And now I can say that they're into ancient Greek myths.

650
00:30:26,285 --> 00:30:27,845
Speaker 2: I think I need to listen because I didn't know

651
00:30:28,005 --> 00:30:30,165
Speaker 2: that about the flying close to the sun. So I'm

652
00:30:30,205 --> 00:30:34,365
Speaker 2: going to educate myself. My recommendation this week is a

653
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Speaker 2: Spotify playlist. I'm recording my own Spotify playlist, which we

654
00:30:38,645 --> 00:30:40,485
Speaker 2: can drop in the show notes if anyone.

655
00:30:40,245 --> 00:30:43,285
Speaker 1: Always it, okay, tell me in what circumstances do I

656
00:30:43,325 --> 00:30:43,565
Speaker 1: play this?

657
00:30:43,685 --> 00:30:43,965
Speaker 4: Okay?

658
00:30:44,245 --> 00:30:47,445
Speaker 2: This playlist is called Girly Pop Songs that make Me

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Speaker 2: want to break a door down. It's so good and

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Speaker 2: basically what I'm trying to emulate is you know, when

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Speaker 2: you hear the start of Shania Twain's Men, I feel

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Speaker 2: like a woman where it goes Let's go girls, and

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Speaker 2: it just pulses through your body. So I've made this playlist.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, like it makes no sense really everything that's

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Speaker 2: on it. But it's got spice girls, It's got like

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Speaker 2: man Eater, it's got Jack Jack Jackie like all these.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you were really dredging up core memory. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jack Jack jacky.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: I play this playlist every morning when I'm walking to work.

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Speaker 1: Are you wearing her our necklus while you do it?

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Speaker 2: I should be what a combo, But it's just we'll

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Speaker 2: put you in the best mood. It's impossible to feel

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Speaker 2: in a bad mood if you play this playlist, so

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Speaker 2: we'll drop it.

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Speaker 4: Or you can just make your own.

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Speaker 2: If you hate my taste in music, which is understandable,

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Speaker 2: what have you got one?

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Speaker 3: This is for anyone who has like goblin children in

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Speaker 3: the morning where they're hungry and they're just fuck eyed

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Speaker 3: until they have something to eat. So my sister Bridget

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Speaker 3: told me about this, and it's called the offering. The

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Speaker 3: idea is that you leave something out overnight on your

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Speaker 3: kid's bedside table so that when they wake up there's

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Speaker 3: a little something waiting for them to snack on. Now,

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Speaker 3: do not come at me, dentists, do not come at me.

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Speaker 3: People who think we give our kids too many snacks.

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Speaker 3: I'm not interested. The whole idea is just like lift

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Speaker 3: that blood sugar level and banish the demons. So here's

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Speaker 3: some ideas with stuff that you'll already have in the house.

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Speaker 3: Dry cereal in a cup, nutri grain, cheerios, pretzels or popcorn,

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Speaker 3: things that don't get soggy, or like a little bowl

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Speaker 3: of blueberries or some sliced up apples to put out overnight.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: Hot tip. If you slice apples and then you soak

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Speaker 3: them in cold water with a little bit of salt,

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Speaker 3: they do not go brown. That's my lunch box hack

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Speaker 3: fee as well.

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Speaker 4: I'll never be doing that, but that's great to know

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Speaker 4: that you can do.

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Speaker 1: Are you actually doing this month?

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Speaker 3: Every morning I soak apples for the lunch boxes for

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Speaker 3: the Oh.

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Speaker 1: My god, no, I meant the offerings. Are you doing offerings?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, my god.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 3: The offering has been a game changer because both of

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Speaker 3: my children wake up like rah, they never wake up

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Speaker 3: beautiful and angelic, and the offering they don't come to

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Speaker 3: me straight away. I just hear them crunch, crunch, crunch.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, it gives me five more minutes of sleep.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but here's my question. I think I know that answer.

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Speaker 5: The thing I love about kids this is more a statement.

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Speaker 5: They're never gonna ask.

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Speaker 1: Like who put this food here?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 5: They're just living in this world where they just expect

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Speaker 5: like delightful little treats to be by their bed when

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Speaker 5: they wake up.

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Speaker 4: I know, I know you ever forgot Well, can you

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Speaker 4: imagine what would happen.

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Speaker 2: If you forgot one day, it will be like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: an apocalypsey and they.

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Speaker 3: Get up and get it for themselves. We can dream, right,

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Speaker 3: we can dream.

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Speaker 2: I am definitely adopting this because every day between the

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Speaker 2: time of five am and six am, I get woken

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Speaker 2: by the words Mommy, come to my room, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think that'll happen if there's breakfast cereal next to

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Speaker 2: her bed.

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to do that sisly. Next time I

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Speaker 3: see you, I might bring you an offering to the office,

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Speaker 3: because I think the offering could also be extended to

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Speaker 3: mums in the workplace. At around three pm, I.

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Speaker 1: Was just like, ah, I need some really good cumfry tat.

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Speaker 2: I would love a little snack placed on my desk

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Speaker 2: without asking. Thank you so much, Mons.

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Speaker 3: That's all we have time for on Parenting out Loud

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Speaker 3: this week. Hey, thanks to the people that left very

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Speaker 3: enthusiastic reviews in Apple podcasts. We're so chuffed by those.

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Speaker 3: It's sort of our personal sticky chart.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: After last week's show, we asked people to leave reviews

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Speaker 3: but gentle parenting style, so we said, don't over praise us.

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Speaker 3: Praise is out. You can't praise outcome anymore. You can

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Speaker 3: only praise effort, our pollers, our pout louders. Understand. Dana writes,

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Speaker 3: thank you parenting out loud. I'm really glad you're here.

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Speaker 3: You're doing such important work, and I see how much

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Speaker 3: heart you put into every word. Thank you, Dana.

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Speaker 1: And this one from.

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Speaker 3: Jackie g is titled holding Space, Mon's Stacy and Amelia.

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Speaker 3: I noticed how you kept trying even when it was tricky.

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Speaker 3: You must feel proud of yourselves, So thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: You are all elite level powders, powers, pout louders.

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Speaker 4: Pout louders powers is good to whichever one they want.

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Speaker 4: They can decide let us know.

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Speaker 5: Comment here, which we haven't read yet from Laura, Laura wrote,

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Speaker 5: kids are now grow and love this though have to

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Speaker 5: say Amelia is the bomb. Sometimes you can just say

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Speaker 5: the nice thing without praising effort.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Thanks for.

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Speaker 3: That, Laura, Thank you so much. The challenge remains to

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Speaker 3: write a review in gentle parenting speak because it makes

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Speaker 3: us laugh so much. So we want you to channel

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Speaker 3: your most overthinking millennial parent brain and tell us we're

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Speaker 3: doing a good job without telling us that, So praise

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Speaker 3: the effort, guys make us laugh. A big thanks to

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Speaker 3: our team this week. Junior Content produces Coco Levine and

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Speaker 3: Tessakovic produces Leoporgus and Sashatanic and the group ep Is

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Speaker 3: Ruth Devine. Have a great week. Good luck out there

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Speaker 3: in school holidays. We'll be back in this feed next

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Speaker 3: Saturday morning.

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Speaker 1: Bye bye,