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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on. Hello Spillers, it's Laura

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Speaker 2: Brodnick here. So we need to talk about Amanda Bynes,

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Speaker 2: who was a star on the Nickelodeon channel and a

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Speaker 2: You might know her from Water Girl Wants Hair Spray.

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Speaker 2: She's the man. She was really on top of the

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Speaker 2: world in terms of fan base and work, and then

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Speaker 2: things in her life started to take a bit of

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Speaker 2: an unexpected turn. And this is a story you're about

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Speaker 2: to hear on another Mamma Mia podcast that we've dropped

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Speaker 2: into your feed today. Extraordinary Stories. So this podcast takes

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Speaker 2: a very deep look into Amanda's rise to fame from

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Speaker 2: her childhood to the challenges that she faced both personally

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Speaker 2: and in the industry. And it also really deep dives

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Speaker 2: into how the tabloids treated her and you know, the

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Speaker 2: different stories that some media outlets were telling compared to

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Speaker 2: what was actually happening by high in the scenes. So

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Speaker 2: if you want to know more about Amanda Bayne's story,

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Speaker 2: enjoy this episode. And we will link to part two

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Speaker 3: Four port of a gasoline tank on fire and a

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Speaker 1: It's eight pm on a late July evening in twenty

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Speaker 1: thirteen summer in California in Leafy Quiet, Thousand Oaks, a

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Speaker 1: well to do town just north of la Residents have

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Speaker 1: in flames. The blaze is burning hot and high. Flames

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Speaker 3: And the gasoline tank. Yeah, there's hire. It's all on

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Speaker 3: a gasoline tank yet. I don't know if there's any

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Speaker 3: no one's injured. How close is it to the house.

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Speaker 3: It's decently close. It's about I would say five feet.

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Speaker 1: One witness sees a woman lying down on the footpath

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Speaker 1: The young woman says her dog is covered in petrol

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Speaker 1: The woman in the disheveled blonde wig at the center

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Speaker 1: seven year old actor, once revered as comedy's next big thing,

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Speaker 1: had been publicly spiraling for months, and in private, her

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Speaker 1: of extraordinary Stories, What happened to Amanda Bynes in the

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Speaker 1: Gillespie and this is extraordinary stories. If you were growing

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Speaker 1: up in the early two thousands, you probably watched Nickelodeon

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Speaker 1: Keenan and Kell and later The Amanda Show. For the

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Speaker 5: And then there was like a graduation night, and that's

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Speaker 7: You just got discovered right after the comedy care Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So they don't like mind going to the dentist.

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Speaker 7: Amanda Bynes, I'll be back with more of.

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Speaker 1: But a few years after her role in the ensemble

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Speaker 1: She says the ensemble show had broad appeal to millennials.

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Speaker 5: Oh Man, this is an excellent past silent Angels for Amanda.

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Speaker 1: Amanda's fans related to her on screen persona never the

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Speaker 4: and as a reader just living an ordinary life in Sydney, Australia,

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Speaker 4: you felt so much better about yourself when you could

435
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Speaker 4: see that they had troubles as well. And I think

436
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Speaker 4: that that culture of seeing the reality of the celebrities

437
00:23:29,144 --> 00:23:31,504
Speaker 4: just became self perpetuating.

438
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Speaker 1: And there was plenty of it.

439
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Speaker 4: What we started to see was what at the time

440
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Speaker 4: was the kind of behavior like Brittany Lindsay Lowe and

441
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Speaker 4: Mishabarton that at the time was called that sort of

442
00:23:43,304 --> 00:23:44,904
Speaker 4: spoiled brat behavior.

443
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Speaker 1: The headlines were relentless, one good girl falling from grace

444
00:23:49,864 --> 00:23:53,504
Speaker 1: after another. Two thousand and seven was also the year

445
00:23:53,584 --> 00:23:57,384
Speaker 1: another burgeoning it girl started making front pages.

446
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Speaker 10: Parah Hulton's party fou and the star of a new

447
00:24:00,264 --> 00:24:03,064
Speaker 10: celebrity sex tape that has toes wagging.

448
00:24:02,824 --> 00:24:07,744
Speaker 12: Yes as it says exclusive Kim Kardashian coming clean to

449
00:24:07,784 --> 00:24:10,184
Speaker 12: Extra about her sex tape with Granny's.

450
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Speaker 2: Brother Rae Rada and I are friends.

451
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Speaker 10: Never be did with our personal business, and I help them.

452
00:24:16,584 --> 00:24:17,624
Speaker 2: It remains the private.

453
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Speaker 1: While Kim was able to leverage the coverage of her

454
00:24:21,144 --> 00:24:25,584
Speaker 1: quote misdemeanors and turn them into a career opportunity, the

455
00:24:25,624 --> 00:24:29,184
Speaker 1: shots of wild starlets were more in demand than ever.

456
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Speaker 1: But Luisa ponders whether or not that fall was inevitable.

457
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Speaker 4: Putting those women on pedestals is the trouble that creates

458
00:24:37,984 --> 00:24:41,584
Speaker 4: the necessary knockdown effects that will then come. And I

459
00:24:41,664 --> 00:24:46,504
Speaker 4: remember there was some newspaper in the UK about Amy.

460
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Speaker 4: Moving on to the pop star Amy who was going

461
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Speaker 4: through similar things at the time and of course tragically

462
00:24:51,944 --> 00:24:55,904
Speaker 4: died Amy Winehouse, And it was just so unsympathetic. They

463
00:24:55,944 --> 00:24:58,224
Speaker 4: basically said that she should be dragged around to a

464
00:24:58,264 --> 00:25:01,024
Speaker 4: kid's hospital to hammer into her thick skull, that she's

465
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Speaker 4: lucky enough to have a healthy body and mind, and

466
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Speaker 4: that she's wilfully choosing to destroy it. And this was

467
00:25:07,024 --> 00:25:10,824
Speaker 4: kind of the media attitude at the time that Brittany Lindsay.

468
00:25:11,464 --> 00:25:15,544
Speaker 4: They were rich, they were famous, they were talented. Why

469
00:25:15,584 --> 00:25:18,744
Speaker 4: were they mucketing up? Why were they being such brats

470
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Speaker 4: and spoiling.

471
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Speaker 1: That magazine editors and readers relished in the downfall of

472
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Speaker 1: these women at the time, seeing the seemingly perfect young

473
00:25:28,944 --> 00:25:32,264
Speaker 1: Hollywood elite stumbling in and out of clubs, flipping off

474
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Speaker 1: cameras and boozing Paris, Lindsay and Britney sexistly labeled the

475
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Speaker 1: bimbo Summit in pap shots. It's a culture that we

476
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Speaker 1: look back on now as insidious and toxic.

477
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Speaker 4: The irony, of course, the fact that the media was

478
00:25:47,704 --> 00:25:50,264
Speaker 4: so unsympathetic was that the media were causing a lot

479
00:25:50,304 --> 00:25:52,824
Speaker 4: of this, and I think anyone who was in the

480
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Speaker 4: media at that time, particularly in celebrity magazines like myself,

481
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Speaker 4: have to have regrets and be ashamed of some of

482
00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:03,424
Speaker 4: those photographs that we were buying of people like Britney

483
00:26:04,144 --> 00:26:07,464
Speaker 4: shaving off her head, etcetera extraordinary sums of money, and

484
00:26:07,544 --> 00:26:11,744
Speaker 4: of course that was just making it. The whole cycle

485
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Speaker 4: of that go through as the paparazzi got more money

486
00:26:14,264 --> 00:26:17,544
Speaker 4: for these images, the more they harassed these kids, the

487
00:26:17,584 --> 00:26:20,384
Speaker 4: more the kids struggled with their mental health, the more

488
00:26:20,384 --> 00:26:22,344
Speaker 4: they were in the spotlight, couldn't cope with it, and

489
00:26:22,424 --> 00:26:26,064
Speaker 4: the more bad behavior or now troubled behavior it would

490
00:26:26,104 --> 00:26:29,024
Speaker 4: be a better phrase came out. So we drove a

491
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Speaker 4: lot of those troubles that those kids had at the time.

492
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Speaker 4: And you know, anyone in the media at that time

493
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Speaker 4: who doesn't feel regrets for that, they're just not human.

494
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Speaker 1: Frankly, Luisa says, Inside Officers magazine editors were the ones

495
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Speaker 1: making the decisions to put these pictures on page six,

496
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Speaker 1: but when it came to trying to get them, the

497
00:26:47,504 --> 00:26:49,744
Speaker 1: photographers were ruthless.

498
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Speaker 4: When it comes to human beings and good people, the

499
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Speaker 4: paparazzi are very low doubt. I've dealt with a lot

500
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Speaker 4: of paparazzi over the years, and I can't. You know,

501
00:26:58,504 --> 00:27:00,944
Speaker 4: it's very hard to think of a paparazzi photographer who

502
00:27:01,024 --> 00:27:03,784
Speaker 4: is a good person that you would want to go

503
00:27:03,824 --> 00:27:06,784
Speaker 4: and have dinner with. They are the lowest of the low,

504
00:27:07,064 --> 00:27:10,504
Speaker 4: and they know that. They just prod and prod and

505
00:27:10,544 --> 00:27:13,224
Speaker 4: prod and push and push and push and push until

506
00:27:13,264 --> 00:27:15,504
Speaker 4: they get the reaction. And then they go, oh my god,

507
00:27:15,744 --> 00:27:18,304
Speaker 4: you're hurting me, You're hitting me. What are you doing?

508
00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:20,344
Speaker 4: What are you doing? Is such a spoiled brat, So

509
00:27:21,304 --> 00:27:24,984
Speaker 4: you know, there's definitely that side to it where they

510
00:27:25,184 --> 00:27:30,464
Speaker 4: push and prod to get the reaction, no question about it.

511
00:27:30,464 --> 00:27:32,384
Speaker 1: It's a world that, for a time at least, Amanda

512
00:27:32,424 --> 00:27:36,264
Speaker 1: Bines had managed to steer well clear of one she'd

513
00:27:36,344 --> 00:27:41,544
Speaker 1: actively and outspokenly looked down upon. Well her contemporary's latest mugshot,

514
00:27:41,664 --> 00:27:45,504
Speaker 1: criminal misdemeanor, rehab stint, or sex scandal was splashed around.

515
00:27:46,104 --> 00:27:50,944
Speaker 1: Amanda enjoyed a squeaky clean reputation. Here she is on

516
00:27:51,064 --> 00:27:53,464
Speaker 1: show business tonight in two thousand and seven.

517
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Speaker 10: You clearly have your act together. Let me go through

518
00:27:56,464 --> 00:27:57,304
Speaker 10: my little checklist here.

519
00:27:57,344 --> 00:27:58,224
Speaker 7: You have them to jail.

520
00:27:58,504 --> 00:28:00,984
Speaker 11: No, no jail, no, rehab.

521
00:28:01,304 --> 00:28:03,624
Speaker 3: No, no rehab, Amanda.

522
00:28:03,304 --> 00:28:04,784
Speaker 8: Bines, what kind of a starlet are you?

523
00:28:04,944 --> 00:28:07,384
Speaker 5: I know what's wrong with me? I don't know. It's

524
00:28:07,464 --> 00:28:10,584
Speaker 5: shocking how it's become popular to go to rehab, right,

525
00:28:11,144 --> 00:28:14,184
Speaker 5: It's very odd, But I don't know. I guess I

526
00:28:14,184 --> 00:28:17,224
Speaker 5: would say I'm very lucky. I have a great family,

527
00:28:17,304 --> 00:28:19,664
Speaker 5: and I just have my eye on the prize, which

528
00:28:19,664 --> 00:28:22,144
Speaker 5: for me is a long career, and I just I

529
00:28:22,344 --> 00:28:24,784
Speaker 5: don't want to. I don't want to blow what I've

530
00:28:24,784 --> 00:28:28,784
Speaker 5: worked so hard to, you know, to achieve. But I'm

531
00:28:28,864 --> 00:28:31,424
Speaker 5: not interested in that. The club, you know, the club

532
00:28:31,464 --> 00:28:34,464
Speaker 5: scene and drinking doesn't appeal to me, so it's actually

533
00:28:34,504 --> 00:28:36,744
Speaker 5: easier for me not to do it. I've never even

534
00:28:36,824 --> 00:28:38,704
Speaker 5: been offered drugs.

535
00:28:38,544 --> 00:28:42,624
Speaker 1: And again pitted against strugglings dot Lindsay Loewen.

536
00:28:42,504 --> 00:28:45,944
Speaker 2: And a suggestion for falling star Lindsay Lowen move into

537
00:28:45,944 --> 00:28:48,544
Speaker 2: the Vine's household for some good old reprimanding.

538
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Speaker 7: What do you think would happen if she moved in

539
00:28:50,544 --> 00:28:51,144
Speaker 7: with your parents?

540
00:28:51,504 --> 00:28:54,344
Speaker 5: I don't know what would happen, but it would be fun.

541
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Speaker 5: It definitely should be some sort of reality show.

542
00:29:00,704 --> 00:29:03,664
Speaker 1: But as much as Amanda denied and distance to her

543
00:29:03,744 --> 00:29:05,664
Speaker 1: self from the behavior of the girls she grew up

544
00:29:05,704 --> 00:29:09,544
Speaker 1: on TV with the whole time she was facing her

545
00:29:09,584 --> 00:29:13,224
Speaker 1: own private battles with fame. What we wouldn't learn about

546
00:29:13,264 --> 00:29:16,784
Speaker 1: Amanda until many years later is that the beginning of

547
00:29:16,784 --> 00:29:20,584
Speaker 1: her film career sparked the wavering of her mental health.

548
00:29:21,344 --> 00:29:25,544
Speaker 1: Fast forward to a twenty eighteen interview with Paper magazine,

549
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Speaker 1: when Amanda revealed it was her biggest and most loved film,

550
00:29:29,424 --> 00:29:32,464
Speaker 1: She's the Man, which kicked off a whole host of

551
00:29:32,504 --> 00:29:35,264
Speaker 1: internal struggles. Here's Laura Brodnick again.

552
00:29:35,424 --> 00:29:37,744
Speaker 2: She's dressed up as a boy in the movie, and

553
00:29:37,784 --> 00:29:39,904
Speaker 2: she said that when she went to the screenings and

554
00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:42,984
Speaker 2: saw herself on screen, it was the start of her breakdown.

555
00:29:43,024 --> 00:29:45,024
Speaker 2: Whether that's true or not, I'm sure her breakdown's more

556
00:29:45,024 --> 00:29:47,904
Speaker 2: complicated than this, but she said at the time, seeing

557
00:29:47,904 --> 00:29:50,104
Speaker 2: herself on screen as a boy, she just felt that

558
00:29:50,184 --> 00:29:53,584
Speaker 2: she looked so ugly and so unlike herself.

559
00:29:54,064 --> 00:29:57,224
Speaker 1: She told the magazine, I went into a deep depression

560
00:29:57,304 --> 00:29:59,784
Speaker 1: for four to six months because I didn't like how

561
00:29:59,824 --> 00:30:02,184
Speaker 1: I looked when I was a boy. I've never told

562
00:30:02,184 --> 00:30:05,544
Speaker 1: anyone that it was a super strange and out of

563
00:30:05,544 --> 00:30:09,384
Speaker 1: body experience. It just really put me into a funk

564
00:30:10,464 --> 00:30:13,984
Speaker 1: cle Amanda had been maintaining an angelic image, but according

565
00:30:13,984 --> 00:30:17,704
Speaker 1: to that interview, it was all a lie. She'd gone

566
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Speaker 1: from smoking marijuana recreationally in her late teens to trying

567
00:30:21,464 --> 00:30:25,184
Speaker 1: out party drugs like MDMA, and after filming She's the Man,

568
00:30:25,584 --> 00:30:28,864
Speaker 1: it ramped up. Amanda said she got hold of the

569
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Speaker 1: ADHD medication adderall thinking it would act like a weight

570
00:30:33,264 --> 00:30:35,744
Speaker 1: loss pill and help her feel better about how she

571
00:30:35,784 --> 00:30:40,064
Speaker 1: looked on screen, but of course it didn't. When she

572
00:30:40,104 --> 00:30:43,544
Speaker 1: started Hairspray in two thousand and seven, the then twenty

573
00:30:43,584 --> 00:30:47,064
Speaker 1: one year old reportedly hated her performance in appearance so

574
00:30:47,344 --> 00:30:50,264
Speaker 1: much that just a few years after she'd begun her

575
00:30:50,264 --> 00:30:52,464
Speaker 1: film career, she wanted to end it.

576
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Speaker 2: That's the moment she wanted to retire from making movies,

577
00:30:55,904 --> 00:30:58,184
Speaker 2: and she wanted to get other spotlight. And I think

578
00:30:58,224 --> 00:31:00,304
Speaker 2: that comes down to the fact that she'd been in

579
00:31:00,344 --> 00:31:02,744
Speaker 2: the spotlight and in the entertainment industry since she was

580
00:31:02,784 --> 00:31:04,784
Speaker 2: a really little kid, and she'd always been told that

581
00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:07,344
Speaker 2: the way she looked was the most important thing, and

582
00:31:07,384 --> 00:31:09,024
Speaker 2: it was the way she was going to make movies,

583
00:31:09,104 --> 00:31:11,104
Speaker 2: and she was the breadwinner of her family and all

584
00:31:11,104 --> 00:31:14,024
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, and then she actually traces that

585
00:31:14,064 --> 00:31:16,384
Speaker 2: movie back to kind of setting her off, and then

586
00:31:16,424 --> 00:31:19,064
Speaker 2: she went on Twitter and announced her retirement. She later

587
00:31:19,144 --> 00:31:19,864
Speaker 2: rescinded that.

588
00:31:21,384 --> 00:31:23,704
Speaker 1: Despite that, she made a brief comeback for a part

589
00:31:23,704 --> 00:31:27,424
Speaker 1: in Easy eight in twenty ten alongside Emma Stone, and

590
00:31:27,464 --> 00:31:30,784
Speaker 1: then started shooting another film called Hall Pass. But at

591
00:31:30,784 --> 00:31:33,304
Speaker 1: this stage Amanda had lost control of her drug use.

592
00:31:34,064 --> 00:31:37,104
Speaker 1: She was abusing adderall and reports emerged that she was

593
00:31:37,144 --> 00:31:40,984
Speaker 1: sloppy on set, that she'd rock up unprepared and couldn't

594
00:31:41,024 --> 00:31:44,864
Speaker 1: remember her lines. That, along with her body dysmorphia, made

595
00:31:44,944 --> 00:31:48,984
Speaker 1: her walk off the set of Hall Pass. For two years,

596
00:31:49,024 --> 00:31:52,304
Speaker 1: Amanda was a drift, no longer able and willing to

597
00:31:52,304 --> 00:31:55,624
Speaker 1: do the only thing she'd ever known. That's when, as

598
00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:59,864
Speaker 1: she later told Paper magazine, her world got smaller. She

599
00:31:59,944 --> 00:32:04,304
Speaker 1: stayed inside getting high all the time, and as Laura explains,

600
00:32:04,504 --> 00:32:06,624
Speaker 1: things quickly went downhill from there.

601
00:32:06,864 --> 00:32:09,064
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think it was kind of linked to

602
00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:11,304
Speaker 2: her usage on Twitter and where she kind of started

603
00:32:11,304 --> 00:32:13,184
Speaker 2: going off the rails there. It's kind of linked to

604
00:32:13,544 --> 00:32:16,184
Speaker 2: when she started having her first brushes with the laws.

605
00:32:16,224 --> 00:32:18,824
Speaker 2: So I mean the kind of first recorded time of

606
00:32:18,824 --> 00:32:21,144
Speaker 2: that is in twenty twelve, when she was arrested for

607
00:32:21,224 --> 00:32:24,024
Speaker 2: driving under the influence, and then she also hit a

608
00:32:24,024 --> 00:32:26,864
Speaker 2: parked police car. Later on that month, she hit another

609
00:32:26,904 --> 00:32:29,464
Speaker 2: parked police car, and there were all these kind of

610
00:32:29,504 --> 00:32:31,504
Speaker 2: reports going out there, and she would actually get on

611
00:32:31,544 --> 00:32:34,344
Speaker 2: Twitter and say things like the police are lying, they

612
00:32:34,424 --> 00:32:36,744
Speaker 2: set me up. She would tweet it Barack Obama, like

613
00:32:36,744 --> 00:32:39,704
Speaker 2: the then president, saying you need to fire these police

614
00:32:39,704 --> 00:32:42,344
Speaker 2: officers because they assaulted me. And then she would claim

615
00:32:42,344 --> 00:32:45,344
Speaker 2: that the police officers sexually assaulted her. And then she

616
00:32:45,384 --> 00:32:48,184
Speaker 2: would claim that the person who was in the mugshots

617
00:32:48,224 --> 00:32:50,944
Speaker 2: that were released were not her because they were wearing

618
00:32:50,944 --> 00:32:52,624
Speaker 2: a different wig to her at the time. And so

619
00:32:53,184 --> 00:32:56,184
Speaker 2: it was almost like she was having these really intense

620
00:32:56,304 --> 00:32:58,344
Speaker 2: legal problems, and she was being taken to court, and

621
00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:01,184
Speaker 2: she was being arrested and having her license suspended, and

622
00:33:01,264 --> 00:33:03,584
Speaker 2: all these things were happening, and at the same time,

623
00:33:03,984 --> 00:33:06,544
Speaker 2: she was documenting it all in real time on Twitter.

624
00:33:06,584 --> 00:33:08,544
Speaker 2: And of course she would then go back and delete it,

625
00:33:08,584 --> 00:33:11,824
Speaker 2: probably I'm assuming at the urgence her legal team, but

626
00:33:12,104 --> 00:33:14,824
Speaker 2: every time she tweeted, it would just cause a media storm.

627
00:33:16,664 --> 00:33:21,264
Speaker 1: Amanda's online persona became more erratic and more offensive by

628
00:33:21,304 --> 00:33:25,024
Speaker 1: the week, the Twitter spear and tabloids watched an unfold

629
00:33:25,224 --> 00:33:26,664
Speaker 1: blow by blow.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned tweeting at Barack Obama. He didn't respond shockingly enough.

631
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Speaker 2: And then in twenty thirteen, Jenny McCarthy, who's obviously an actress,

632
00:33:33,784 --> 00:33:35,784
Speaker 2: in her TV host and had been in not her

633
00:33:35,864 --> 00:33:37,784
Speaker 2: movies butten a lot of those kind of movies around

634
00:33:37,824 --> 00:33:40,184
Speaker 2: at the same time, she tweeted out that there were

635
00:33:40,224 --> 00:33:43,464
Speaker 2: police at Amanda Byn's house and she was hoping that

636
00:33:43,544 --> 00:33:45,904
Speaker 2: she can get help and the circus needs to stop.

637
00:33:46,304 --> 00:33:48,224
Speaker 2: And then Amanda and Jenny went on to have this

638
00:33:48,304 --> 00:33:49,184
Speaker 2: kind of Twitter fight.

639
00:33:49,384 --> 00:33:50,144
Speaker 1: It got worse.

640
00:33:50,824 --> 00:33:53,864
Speaker 2: She tweeted about wanting Drake to murder her vagina, which

641
00:33:53,904 --> 00:33:57,344
Speaker 2: is a tweet that will go down in history. And worse,

642
00:33:57,744 --> 00:34:00,704
Speaker 2: she also tweeted at Rihanna, who I'm not sure did

643
00:34:00,744 --> 00:34:03,424
Speaker 2: anything to kick this off, that she was happy that

644
00:34:03,504 --> 00:34:06,824
Speaker 2: Chris Brown had assaulted her because it obviously meant she

645
00:34:06,904 --> 00:34:08,944
Speaker 2: wasn't pretty enough, and that she was going to call

646
00:34:08,984 --> 00:34:12,744
Speaker 2: her dog Rihanna because her dog reminded her of the superstar,

647
00:34:12,904 --> 00:34:16,184
Speaker 2: and Rhianna, to her credit, didn't really engage in the fight.

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Speaker 2: She just said this is what happens when they cancel

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Speaker 2: intervention and so that kicks that off. She then went

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Speaker 2: on to tweet that she was I mean, she tweeted

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Speaker 2: so many things. She tweeted that her father had sexually

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Speaker 2: assaulted her. She tweeted that the police were following her

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Speaker 2: and trying to track her down. She would often tweet

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Speaker 2: that she was going to sue and come after every

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Speaker 2: news outlet who reported on it, and she would actually

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Speaker 2: name journalists in the tweets. She also said that she

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Speaker 2: was going to sue her family for money laundering and

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Speaker 2: unethically managing her work. And she went on to say

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Speaker 2: that she was no longer speaking to her parents, who

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Speaker 2: hadn't really kind of been in the scene at that stage,

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Speaker 2: and she made these big statements on Twiteter that she

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Speaker 2: would rather be homeless than have her family live off

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Speaker 2: her money. So it kind of escalated from there.

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Speaker 1: But outside the Twitter feuds was extremely troubling public behavior too,

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Speaker 1: bizarre antics in clothes shop gyms, and even getting herself

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Speaker 1: kicked out of a New York hotel. Amanda was spiraling

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Speaker 1: out of control.

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Speaker 6: Child Star, now twenty seven years old, was charged with

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Speaker 6: criminal possession of marijuana, tampering with physical evidence. And reckless

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Speaker 6: endangerment after police claimed she threw a bong out of

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Speaker 6: her thirty six story apartment window in New York late

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Speaker 6: Thursday night.

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Speaker 1: And that's when she began to truly get a taste

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Speaker 1: of the paparazzi culture that she'd managed to avoid in

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Speaker 1: those earlier years.

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Speaker 7: All Right, can I just get one, queen frame?

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Speaker 5: You have to delete that one in my face. I

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Speaker 5: need to look beautiful. It's a bad shot, all right, Please,

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Speaker 5: you look gorgeous.

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Speaker 7: Hold hold, lady, here, over here.

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Speaker 3: No come towards me, No, come towards me.

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Speaker 11: Now, just work towards me.

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Speaker 10: Can I just get a shot of you walking towards me?

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Speaker 11: Let go of the camera.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, let go of my camera.

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Speaker 4: Please, let go of my camera.

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Speaker 10: All right, can you let go?

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Speaker 2: Mar Amanda?

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Speaker 3: Stop yoa, what the hell?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 2: Let me go?

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Speaker 10: What the hell's road to stop that?

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Speaker 5: Doug?

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Speaker 10: Your neil sits on my neck, lady.

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Speaker 2: At the time, we didn't have this understanding for celebrities

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Speaker 2: that there might be mental health issues or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It was very much Amanda Bynes is crazy. She's gone

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Speaker 2: off the rails. She deserves whatever happens to her paparazzi

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Speaker 2: would absolutely hound her in the street, very much like

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Speaker 2: what used to happen to Britney Spears. They would drive

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Speaker 2: their cars into her car, and later on into whoever

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Speaker 2: was driving her because she was st a license, and

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Speaker 2: they would follow her into shopping centers and they would

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Speaker 2: scream things at her to try and make her upset

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Speaker 2: because a smiling photo of a celebrity, the reason celebrities

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Speaker 2: smile in photos is because they don't sell for very much,

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Speaker 2: and so if you can get the celebrity to cry

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Speaker 2: or look up, set the money you're going to make

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Speaker 2: off that photo skyrocket. So there's all these videos around

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Speaker 2: of her just like walking her dog or trying to

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Speaker 2: get a coffee and paparazzi screaming these really intense threats

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Speaker 2: at her. She would then cry and attack them and

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Speaker 2: yell back at them, and they would get those photos

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Speaker 2: and be able to sell them. She started wearing wigs

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Speaker 2: a lot of the time to obscure her face, and

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Speaker 2: she got arrested a few times while wearing the wigs.

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Speaker 2: So when you actually saw the wig come off in

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Speaker 2: her mugshot, people kind of linked that to her crazy behavior,

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Speaker 2: as they called it. Kind of saying that she was

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Speaker 2: almost cose playing as a different character. And we don't

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Speaker 2: know exactly why, but maybe she was trying to protect

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Speaker 2: her identity, or maybe she just knew that she was

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Speaker 2: going to get photographed no matter what.

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Speaker 1: All of Amanda's fans from the last fifteen years watched

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Speaker 1: on as the paparazzi machine chewed her up, and as

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Speaker 1: her mental health appeared to be in a continuous state

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Speaker 1: of decline, those around her wondered how much worse it

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Speaker 1: could get, until one night, armed with a can of petrol,

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Speaker 1: she lit up a driveway in California, CA.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want a gadpoining thing up, but I don't

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Speaker 3: know if there's any more gappling in it. But everybody

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Speaker 3: is nobody injured, No, no one's injured. How close is

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Speaker 3: it to the house. It's easily close about I would

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Speaker 3: say five feet.

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Speaker 1: That July twenty thirteen night would change Amanda's life forever,

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Speaker 1: when the twenty seven year old was put under fifty

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Speaker 1: one fifty psychiatric hold. From this night on and for

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Speaker 1: nearly the next ten years, Amanda would lose power over

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Speaker 1: decisions about her life in the same way Britney Spears

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Speaker 1: had five years earlier. But are there any real parallels

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Speaker 1: between these conservatorships? Was Amanda really trapped? Next time, on

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Speaker 1: Part two of What Happened to Amanda Bynes, we'll reveal

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Speaker 1: the twisted systems of conservative ships in the US, which

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Speaker 1: sparked a global movement to hashtag free Britney, and we'll

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Speaker 1: explore why that very movement would turn its attention towards

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Speaker 1: Amanda Bynes.

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Speaker 12: The similarity that I see is the interviews with her

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Speaker 12: lawyers are laid, you know, with the Britney Spears attention.

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Speaker 12: You know, they've said, well, she's doing really well, she's

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Speaker 12: in college, she's in the fashion institute. You think immediately, Okay,

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Speaker 12: well this is a person who must be able to

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Speaker 12: care for themselves, because how are they getting through college?

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Speaker 12: If they really are doing everything that they say they should,

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Speaker 12: then I think there's a way to communicate that from

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Speaker 12: her directly.

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Speaker 1: This season of Extraordinary Stories is written by our executive

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Speaker 1: producers Sidney Paide and myself, Emma Gillespie, with audio production

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Speaker 1: from Madeline Joanna. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: To listen to Part two, just click the link in

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Speaker 2: our show notes