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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to MoMA. Me are out loud. It's

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<v Speaker 2>what women are actually talking about on Monday, the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighth of July. My name is Holly Wainwright.

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<v Speaker 1>My name's Mia Friedman.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm Jesse Stevens.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's what's on our agenda for today. The argument

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<v Speaker 2>Australia had this weekend. Yes, we've got some very big

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<v Speaker 2>feelings about Triple J's Hottest one hundred of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus Gwyneth Paltrow has been paid millions of dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>insert herself into the Coldplay couple cheating scandal. Meanwhile, Harry

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<v Speaker 1>Styles wants you to insert the new sex toy he's

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<v Speaker 1>just launched. But I have some questions about where Zachery

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<v Speaker 1>you're meant to insert it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the app that has given way to a very thorny,

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<v Speaker 3>very uncomfortable debate about dating privacy and what on earth

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<v Speaker 3>is going on between men and women right now.

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<v Speaker 2>My place, like homes all over the nation, was a

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<v Speaker 2>house on Saturday night. It was a house divided as

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<v Speaker 2>we listened as a family and then as a couple

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<v Speaker 2>to the nation's poll results rolling. I'm talking, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>about Triple J's hottest one hundred Australian songs of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>I completely missed this.

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<v Speaker 3>What a great idea, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>So good because they the nation's youth station and it's

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<v Speaker 2>been the nation's use station for several generations now, which

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<v Speaker 2>was very much reflected in the list.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if any youths still listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell you about the demographic.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was all people our age.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's double J for that. Oh okay, so there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Double J for old people.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to quarantine the old people. But anyway, as

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<v Speaker 2>we all know, every year Triple J does the Hottest

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred. It's a massive pillar, we would say, in

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<v Speaker 2>the content business for them. And this year they decided

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<v Speaker 2>to get a midyear bite of that because that's always January,

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<v Speaker 2>and they decided to do the hottest one hundred Australian

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<v Speaker 2>songs of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>They've done this.

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<v Speaker 2>Before, or a version of this, like years ago in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties. I remember it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so clever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so clever. What's interesting is so they say more

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<v Speaker 2>than two and a half million people voted in this poll.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, that's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>The demographic, the biggest demographic of voters was between eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty nine, yep, which is why some of the

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<v Speaker 2>results are quite interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Holly, I want the top ten, and I want you

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<v Speaker 3>to go from ten, and I want you to count

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<v Speaker 3>down and I want are we thinking running commentary as Holly, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>just some thoughts and feelings, Okay, go.

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<v Speaker 2>In our house. By the way, we did this where

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<v Speaker 2>we listened to the actual top five ten like after

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<v Speaker 2>the fact, and I made Brent guess each one was

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<v Speaker 2>very cood.

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<v Speaker 3>I did did games?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep? Yep? Number ten somebody that I used to know

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<v Speaker 2>by go chikimbro Yes, brilliant, Yes, expected love.

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<v Speaker 1>That libiting each of a song.

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<v Speaker 2>Please, don't I think people have it been given a

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<v Speaker 2>second life by Docci obviously, who knows whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been as high without her intelle I

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<v Speaker 2>should know that true give us nine my anxiety.

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<v Speaker 1>She exampled it.

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<v Speaker 2>How to Make Gravy by Paul Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I had to make top ten?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep? Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, Number eight And this is the

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<v Speaker 2>point I started shouting at Brent about old Men Casan

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<v Speaker 2>by Cold Chisel.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really like that song, but I understand its

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<v Speaker 3>cultural significance.

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<v Speaker 2>Quickly followed, and this was very cute if you were listening,

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<v Speaker 2>because they've got Jimmy Barnes on the phone and he

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<v Speaker 2>was all excited about k San, but he didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>At number seven, Flame Trees, also by Cold Chisel.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how does that go?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I love that song? It Flame Trees that blood, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I love that song. Also did a brilliant version of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that indicates to me that Brent made

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<v Speaker 3>a few profiles and did a bit of voting and

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<v Speaker 3>that's okay. What's number three?

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<v Speaker 2>Double cold Chisel? Oh, still with the old blokes, although

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<v Speaker 2>no offense, guys. My happiness by powder Finger, Yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Number five, it's the big number five. Don't dream it's

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<v Speaker 2>over by Crowded House.

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<v Speaker 1>I love crowded House.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they love Crowded House. Beautiful iconic. Hey is their discussion,

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<v Speaker 3>Hollywayen right about how much Australia can truly claim crowded House.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. When I Crowded House popped into the countdown a

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<v Speaker 2>little earlier on with something Else Better be Home Soon,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of my favorites. Yeah, and I was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>they're Kiwi's.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought they were a little bit Kiwai too, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Again my house divided. Brent is a Kiwi and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, I think they're Australian now, and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if it was Kiwi songs, we could have all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of other things in here.

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<v Speaker 1>But we could have Russell Crowe's thirty odd foot.

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<v Speaker 3>A gues he could at which point I could have Lord.

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<v Speaker 3>We had this discussion and Lucas said, hang on Kings

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<v Speaker 3>of Leon haven't appeared yet, and I went, what's wrong

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<v Speaker 3>with you? They're just simply not Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the many things has been illuminated by this

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<v Speaker 2>countdown is in our discussion this morning, one of our

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful content creators, Tessa, was like, I didn't know ACTC

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<v Speaker 2>were Australian, and she then went on to list all

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<v Speaker 2>these other buds she didn't know Australian. I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>are they teaching you in school?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? See, this is an important education moment.

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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of these bands broke up or the

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<v Speaker 1>lead singers died before gen Z was born.

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<v Speaker 3>Often jen Z knows the song Australian Okay number five

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<v Speaker 3>was cron Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Number four Friend of the Pod.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Missy Higgins with Scar great loved this.

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<v Speaker 3>I was waiting for Scar to come. We had Special

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<v Speaker 3>two I think around the fifties Robbed, Robbed, Rob Scott.

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely needed Scar in the top five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and Brent was still happy. This next one is

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<v Speaker 2>the point at which Brent lost his mind. And I

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<v Speaker 2>need Jesse Stevens to explain it to me. Because many

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<v Speaker 2>young women around the nation roared with approval at number

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<v Speaker 2>three of the Greatest Australian Songs of All Time Untouched

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<v Speaker 2>by the Veronicas.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, I saw that and went, oh, I thought that

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<v Speaker 3>could have been number one, and Luca looked at me.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you sing that for me?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it starts with a do do Do.

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<v Speaker 2>Do Do Do do is.

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<v Speaker 3>The violin and that's the bit where it gets really

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<v Speaker 3>good and then it's like touched. It goes like that, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we all need to understand. I feel as though half

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<v Speaker 3>the country missed a viral moment and the other half

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<v Speaker 3>of the country leaned into the viral moment. This song

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<v Speaker 3>came out about two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and the Veronicas have a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of bangers forever like they're honestly icons. But what happened

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<v Speaker 3>with this song is that it came.

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<v Speaker 1>With the icons compared to like Missy Higgins and Crowded hous.

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<v Speaker 3>Of this some very good number three. The reason that

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<v Speaker 3>they number three is because this song came out at

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<v Speaker 3>a time when like MySpace was exploding, right, so everyone

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<v Speaker 3>had like a MySpace song. It was really really big.

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<v Speaker 3>It actually got on the Billboard charts in the US

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<v Speaker 3>and the UK. It had international acclaim. But then it

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<v Speaker 3>had this resurgence. I thought everyone knew about this resurgence.

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly not in like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, it was

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<v Speaker 3>reclaimed as this like queer pop anthem because one of

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<v Speaker 3>the Veronicas is queer, and so she's sort of become

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<v Speaker 3>this like a Kylie. But if Kylon was quick and

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<v Speaker 3>so it had this resurgence in sort of the Internet

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<v Speaker 3>age and the TikTok age where like I went back

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<v Speaker 3>to go I do remember this correctly, don't I? And

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<v Speaker 3>it was like a BuzzFeed articles with just like fifty

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<v Speaker 3>tweets about untiped being the best song ever written. So

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<v Speaker 3>for millennials and elder Genz's this is the number one Australian.

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<v Speaker 2>Song at all time, clearly because they put it at

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<v Speaker 2>number three. Brent McKean regained his status by predicting number two.

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<v Speaker 2>The nosebleed section by the Hilltop Hoods, so.

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<v Speaker 1>A great song, great song, put it number two. I

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<v Speaker 1>always forget that the Hilltop Hooods are Australian, although I

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't because they sing in very Australian act. I only

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<v Speaker 1>put it at number two.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, great song, but number one didn't pick it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you two picked it, but the minute the

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<v Speaker 2>intro starts, you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, of course, surprise, never.

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<v Speaker 2>Apart by excess.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because of the age of people voting, I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of probably didn't expect it to be that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely in an excess song should have been in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it should have been number one,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're going to give our top fives at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the show. But I always just think of

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<v Speaker 1>that song as Michael Hutchin's funeral song, and maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>they played it at his funeral, that's what they walked

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<v Speaker 1>out of the church to behind the coffin.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think of his funeral song as being Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Caves into your Arms, which was which also made the

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<v Speaker 2>Top twenty. It's so interesting because what I realized about,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when you hear about the age of voters, is

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<v Speaker 2>that what your greatest of all time is Because there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of diversity in this list in that

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<v Speaker 2>there was some new stuff, but there was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of old stuff. But it's hard to say that a

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<v Speaker 2>song that was out last year is the greatest song

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<v Speaker 2>of all time, like you might if you love it,

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<v Speaker 2>love it, love it hard. Yeah, So usually your song

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<v Speaker 2>of all time is connected to a moment to you.

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<v Speaker 2>And what was evident to me in the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of young people voted for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these old songs is their songs that their parents were

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<v Speaker 2>playing in the house. Yeah. Right, So Brent thinks of

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<v Speaker 2>like k Sam and whatever I mean, my God being

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<v Speaker 2>his songs because he was a young guy singing them

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<v Speaker 2>in pubs. But for the people who voted for them

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<v Speaker 2>in this rundown, it's probably the song that their dad

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<v Speaker 2>was playing, you know what I mean. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's where the emotional connection comes in. But never Tear

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<v Speaker 2>Us Apart is very emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think a lot of these have had another play,

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<v Speaker 3>either on TikTok or in films or television, and that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of gives it another life. I expected Rufus Desoul

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<v Speaker 3>to be further up because of the people voting, but

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<v Speaker 3>then I thought of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that means.

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<v Speaker 3>Rufus, I know what, Rufus have won multiple Grammys, They've

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<v Speaker 3>been on Okay, I'm trying to think. Well, in a

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<v Speaker 3>Bloom was on there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? That was quite hard?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How does it go?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>You guys kind of like what do you call it electro?

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, yeah, you just know. Rufus Is Vagen says,

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<v Speaker 3>they make the Triple J Top one hundred every year

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<v Speaker 3>like they're massive.

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<v Speaker 2>It was also distressing that there weren't more women, But again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we've only begun to see the correction

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<v Speaker 2>of female representation in this kind of music in the

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<v Speaker 2>last few years. Yeah, and so the hottest one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>of the year is getting slightly better on women, but

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the greatest of all time, that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to take a while to shine through.

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<v Speaker 3>Although Tane Maraina didn't make apparence criminal change, Chane didn't

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<v Speaker 3>make I think that could have been top ten.

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<v Speaker 1>As we're talking, I think I'm going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>revise my top five.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know so yes, as Mia says, if you care,

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<v Speaker 2>please listen to the end of the show where we

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<v Speaker 2>will reveal at top Maya.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know the song that goes You were right.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting Jesse Stevens were right, it's the best. Oh my god, something's.

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<v Speaker 4>Wrong with that?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that song?

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<v Speaker 3>Is by It's the biggest song in the entire world.

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<v Speaker 1>You were right, yes, Dear coming up after the break,

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<v Speaker 1>how much was Gwyneth Paltrow paid to become part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Coldplay couple cheating scandal, and what does this have

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the soft skin on the back of

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<v Speaker 1>her knees. It's a big week for Gwyneth Paltrow, Holly's

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<v Speaker 1>a big week for you, clearly because today her unofficial

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<v Speaker 1>biography is released. I've pre ordered it. I assume you

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<v Speaker 1>have too.

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<v Speaker 2>I already have a I don't need to read that.

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<v Speaker 1>She has also been parachuted into the biggest pop culture

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<v Speaker 1>gossip story of the year so far, the couple who

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<v Speaker 1>were caught cheating at a Coldplay concert. We spoke about

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<v Speaker 1>this last Monday quick recap. The CEO and the chief

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<v Speaker 1>people officer of a tech company called Astronomer, who were

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<v Speaker 1>both married to other people, were caught cuddling on a

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<v Speaker 1>kisscam at a Coldplay concert, and the footage went viral

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<v Speaker 1>way back ten days ago, on July sixteenth, twelve days ago, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>what a time, resulting in the CEO resigning. Now in

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<v Speaker 1>a genius move, yesterday, Astronomer released a video of their

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<v Speaker 1>own on their social accounts. It's starred Gwyneth, the ex

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<v Speaker 1>wife of Coldplay frontman Chris Martin, who was the one

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<v Speaker 1>whose voice the world heard in the original kisscam video.

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<v Speaker 1>Just to join the dots, here's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the video that Astronomer released yesterday with Quyneth thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for your end and Astronomer.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi. I'm Gwyneth Paltrow. I've been hired on a very

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<v Speaker 4>temporary basis to speak on behalf of the three hundred

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<v Speaker 4>plus employees at Astronomer. Astronomer has gotten a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>questions over the last few days, and they wanted me

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<v Speaker 4>to answer the.

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<v Speaker 1>Most common ones.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Astronomer is the best place to run apatche airflow,

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<v Speaker 4>unifying the experience of running data mL and AI pipelines

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<v Speaker 4>at scale.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't quite grasp it when you're listening to it

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<v Speaker 1>because on the screen the questions that people are asking

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the ones like how is everyone doing? Is your social.

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<v Speaker 2>Media WTF question?

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<v Speaker 3>And she doesn't answer that. She just gives like corporate speech.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's her sitting at a desk. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you both what you thought of it, genius.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always told you that Gwyneth would be funny as

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<v Speaker 2>hell if you had dinner with her, and indeed, I

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<v Speaker 2>think she showed that side of herself. Here what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated by because this isn't the first of this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of immediate crisis PR do you remember, And this didn't

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<v Speaker 2>age well very quickly after and just like that first

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<v Speaker 2>came out the first season and mister Big died on

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<v Speaker 2>the Peloton, Yes, and almost immediately Peloton jumped on that

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<v Speaker 2>with Chris Noth to do an ad because if everyone

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, well, this isn't very good PR for Peloton

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<v Speaker 2>and blah blah blah, they jumped on it. Unfortunately they

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<v Speaker 2>had to pull that quite quickly because Chris Not suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>became the target of some very unsavory allegations. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>an example of what everything looks like it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>ship for your company. Do you ignore it and keep

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<v Speaker 2>paddling in the other direction or do you jump on it?

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<v Speaker 2>How quickly would Gwyneth have had to make this decision

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<v Speaker 2>about whether or not she wanted to be part of it?

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<v Speaker 3>Though, yeah, she wouldn't have had much time. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>all about harnessing the attention because I was hearing because

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<v Speaker 3>let's not forget either that it was about the kiss camp,

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<v Speaker 3>but then it became about Astronomer like it became about

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<v Speaker 3>how they had a very male board and the shit

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<v Speaker 3>started to kind of splash back on them. So for them,

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<v Speaker 3>it is irreverent, it is bold, it is dry, it

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<v Speaker 3>is so funny. And did you know that it was

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Reynolds's ad agency that made it? That always is yes, And.

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<v Speaker 1>He also made the Chris noth one, the Peloton one.

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<v Speaker 2>They jump very fast, those guys. They understand virality.

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<v Speaker 1>The only way to counter an Internet narrative is with

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<v Speaker 1>another Internet narrative in the Internet vocabulary. So, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they did put out a statement that was very straightforward

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<v Speaker 1>to protect the employee who had been accused of being

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<v Speaker 1>in that video, who wasn't another person who worked in HR.

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<v Speaker 1>So they did put out a straight statement and then

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<v Speaker 1>everyone started going astronomer. What's astronomer? I've never heard of

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<v Speaker 1>astronomer before, and so the idea of getting Gwyneth was

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely genius.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I ask a question, please? Do you think that

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<v Speaker 3>they asked Chris Martin first? Like, do you think they

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<v Speaker 3>went straight to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go Oh, that's such a great question. I think they

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<v Speaker 1>did too.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they went to Chris because it is a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of an unusual leap in that Gwyneth is

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<v Speaker 3>the ex wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, no, it's a better idea because Gwyneth is much

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<v Speaker 2>more interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They couldn't have because they had to go to Gwyneth

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<v Speaker 1>because they had to, like she's in the guise of

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<v Speaker 1>working for them, right, being a spokesperson. So Chris Martin

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't have done it because he was part of the

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<v Speaker 1>original and if by this conceit he'd been working for Astronomer,

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<v Speaker 1>he would have recognized. So they actually went to I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think who else they could have been. They

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<v Speaker 1>could have just chosen a really, really famous person.

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<v Speaker 3>How about Dakota I mean, I know there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of questions about her that da Cotah Johnson's any friend.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been anyone in a way, but Gwyneth

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<v Speaker 2>is very convincing because also Gwyneth does do these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of things. Chris Martin does.

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<v Speaker 1>Not, does not, and I don't know about Dakota Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>So Gwyneth very happy day for her biographer Amy Odell,

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<v Speaker 1>who immediately made a video about how comparatively she's been

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<v Speaker 1>paid between six and seven figures for endorsement. Dear nothing

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<v Speaker 1>like this, obviously, but she appeared at the Red Sea

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<v Speaker 1>International film first of all in Saudi Arabia in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, and got one point six million for that,

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<v Speaker 1>a quarter of a million dollars for attending a launch party.

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<v Speaker 1>Skims and Swarowski Crystals did some collab again in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how much you'd like to get paid.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'd need to get to live my house. About

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<v Speaker 1>one point twenty five million for a contract that she

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<v Speaker 1>had with Suosky, which was just to wear their jewelry.

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<v Speaker 1>So I reckon she would have been paid five million

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<v Speaker 1>for this. You were go yeah, no between two and five.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think because they had to move so fast,

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<v Speaker 1>it had to be a one offer, one and done.

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<v Speaker 1>It had to be so good she couldn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>feel right.

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<v Speaker 2>And also for her to even pick up the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, Ryan Reynolds would have called her. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the other secret. If it's just this person gets involved,

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<v Speaker 1>it needs to be someone who can cut through all

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<v Speaker 1>of that agent's managers, who can literally just text and go, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think I think? And it would have

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<v Speaker 1>had to happen very very quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>She would have obviously been paid a premium because this

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<v Speaker 3>is dangerous in that We don't know if tomorrow there's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a story come out about widespread sexual

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<v Speaker 3>harassment and Astronomer. It's a bold move to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>be the temporary spoken person. It is for something that

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have time to research, and you're kind of

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<v Speaker 3>doing their pr form.

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<v Speaker 1>But if that does happen, would you think badly Gwyneth Paltrow, No,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's clearly a joke. She's not really their spokesperson.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just making a funny video.

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<v Speaker 2>And also she's not particularly precious about attracting Internet criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>She attracts it all the time by breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like an SNL sketch.

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<v Speaker 2>It is is I have two more things before I

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<v Speaker 2>need to move on to some other very from Gwyneth News.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember heard some commentary last week about whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not this whole scandal was good or bad for Astronomer, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, Jesse, it sort of spotlighted some issues

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<v Speaker 2>within their diversity and their management team. But Scott Galloway

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<v Speaker 2>was saying he thought this incident was terrible for the

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<v Speaker 2>reputations obviously of the two people involved, and that, as

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<v Speaker 2>you said last week, me or their lives would pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much be ruined and it will follow them forever. But

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<v Speaker 2>for Astronomer, it was good because who'd ever heard of

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<v Speaker 2>astronomer and now suddenly everyone does. But I have a question,

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<v Speaker 2>even after watching this ad, to either of you understand

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<v Speaker 2>what astronomy is.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but we're not meant to the people who are

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<v Speaker 1>meant to know what astronomer is, which they are a

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<v Speaker 1>data analytics company, do know.

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<v Speaker 2>And they understood all the things that Gwyneth was talking exactly. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In my other very important Gwyneth news, do not think

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<v Speaker 2>that I did not break my thumb clicking on a

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<v Speaker 2>recent ama with Gwyneth on Goop. So for the Goop podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>she made a video. It's on YouTube of the places

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<v Speaker 2>where audience could ask her anything. So in this asked

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<v Speaker 2>me anything. Someone had asked what is Brad's favorite thing

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<v Speaker 2>about you? Brad Foulchuk being her husband, not Brad Pitt, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get over that. One other day she said I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to text him, and they said you can do that,

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<v Speaker 2>so she in the moment, allegedly in the moment on

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<v Speaker 2>the video, she texts him and he sends back his

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<v Speaker 2>reply and she reads it out live. And here is

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<v Speaker 2>a part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't he have a day job.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a very busy day job's loving her.

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<v Speaker 4>I honestly don't have a favorite, he said. I truly

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<v Speaker 4>love every aspect of you, your physical beauty, the way

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<v Speaker 4>your body moves through space, the way your hands add

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<v Speaker 4>something to a pan that you feel so comfortable naked,

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<v Speaker 4>and hate fake people when you're needy, when you're angry

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<v Speaker 4>on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I love when you chug water by the bedside at night.

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<v Speaker 4>I love your morning routine and when you act like

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<v Speaker 4>I've been demanding you to get out of the bath

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<v Speaker 4>when I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>Said a word about it.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the skin on the back of your knees

0:21:50.901 --> 0:21:53.222
<v Speaker 4>and the arch of your feet, and when you smile

0:21:53.262 --> 0:21:55.702
<v Speaker 4>at me in bed after you've put in your retainers.

0:21:56.621 --> 0:22:00.141
<v Speaker 4>I love how hard you try and how often you succeed.

0:22:00.621 --> 0:22:02.302
<v Speaker 1>I can keep going if you like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my please, don't please, don't keep going bad.

0:22:06.381 --> 0:22:10.021
<v Speaker 3>I think I'm doing love wrong. I don't know if

0:22:10.022 --> 0:22:11.022
<v Speaker 3>I'll ever be loved.

0:22:10.821 --> 0:22:13.582
<v Speaker 2>Like the skin on the back of your knees.

0:22:13.861 --> 0:22:15.861
<v Speaker 3>I don't have a nice eye. I don't have a

0:22:15.901 --> 0:22:16.341
<v Speaker 3>high RT.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, have I internalized my misogyny that I'm just like,

0:22:21.182 --> 0:22:23.221
<v Speaker 1>how can you brag about yourself like that? Like, I

0:22:23.262 --> 0:22:26.382
<v Speaker 1>know she's reading what he said, but firstly I would

0:22:26.422 --> 0:22:29.182
<v Speaker 1>be like, that's private between him and I, Like, that's

0:22:29.182 --> 0:22:32.542
<v Speaker 1>from very intimate shit, right, And then also how can

0:22:32.621 --> 0:22:35.581
<v Speaker 1>you say that out loud? He loves my physical beauty

0:22:36.101 --> 0:22:37.981
<v Speaker 1>and how often I succeed at things?

0:22:38.341 --> 0:22:39.061
<v Speaker 4>I love it.

0:22:39.341 --> 0:22:41.542
<v Speaker 3>I'd actually also love it, and I mean she was

0:22:41.661 --> 0:22:44.221
<v Speaker 3>just reading his words. I think that My shock is

0:22:44.262 --> 0:22:48.821
<v Speaker 3>that he replied if I sent that, look, is this

0:22:48.942 --> 0:22:51.821
<v Speaker 3>a trap? Like what have I done? And then he

0:22:51.942 --> 0:22:54.982
<v Speaker 3>would say, I don't give compliments on demand, and then

0:22:55.182 --> 0:22:57.901
<v Speaker 3>he would say, should we get that span of copater

0:22:57.982 --> 0:23:00.141
<v Speaker 3>from Aldie? And that would be the whole conversationally.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that's interesting to your point me at this

0:23:03.101 --> 0:23:05.142
<v Speaker 2>is one of the reasons why I have my love

0:23:05.182 --> 0:23:08.582
<v Speaker 2>hate obsession with Gwynneth is You're right, we're not supposed

0:23:08.661 --> 0:23:11.061
<v Speaker 2>to tell people how we are. But that's what I

0:23:11.182 --> 0:23:13.622
<v Speaker 2>like about it is it's like, on the other hand,

0:23:13.702 --> 0:23:16.302
<v Speaker 2>there's a sort of movement of you know, the one,

0:23:16.381 --> 0:23:19.061
<v Speaker 2>and there's the princess treatment stuff, but also it's the well,

0:23:19.101 --> 0:23:22.542
<v Speaker 2>why not why should I constantly have to pretend I'm unlovable.

0:23:22.621 --> 0:23:24.621
<v Speaker 2>I'm rubbish, I'm terrible. I don't know what he sees

0:23:24.661 --> 0:23:26.382
<v Speaker 2>in me. Why should we have to carry on like that.

0:23:26.502 --> 0:23:28.142
<v Speaker 2>I'm not as hot as the girl next door. Blah

0:23:28.141 --> 0:23:28.662
<v Speaker 2>blahlah blah.

0:23:28.621 --> 0:23:30.421
<v Speaker 3>Were you are like.

0:23:30.581 --> 0:23:33.341
<v Speaker 1>Just so intimate? Though, Like I don't know, I have

0:23:33.422 --> 0:23:36.461
<v Speaker 1>this thing about all of us leaking intimacy through the

0:23:36.462 --> 0:23:40.022
<v Speaker 1>internet right and through social media, and and at a

0:23:40.141 --> 0:23:43.941
<v Speaker 1>time when most people are pulling back, most people I

0:23:44.022 --> 0:23:48.421
<v Speaker 1>know to sort of read something like it's make no mistake.

0:23:48.462 --> 0:23:52.382
<v Speaker 1>That's like a love sonnet when he wrote, but then

0:23:52.542 --> 0:23:55.941
<v Speaker 1>to say it to make an into content, I don't know.

0:23:56.462 --> 0:23:56.901
<v Speaker 3>I love it.

0:23:56.942 --> 0:23:59.861
<v Speaker 2>I love it the skin on the back of my knees.

0:24:00.182 --> 0:24:02.181
<v Speaker 2>It's never had more return to check mine. I'm going

0:24:02.262 --> 0:24:03.701
<v Speaker 2>to exfoliate today.

0:24:03.861 --> 0:24:06.022
<v Speaker 3>Just going to have a product for that. I don't feel.

0:24:07.061 --> 0:24:11.742
<v Speaker 1>Really date their relationship, because don't you think that all

0:24:11.782 --> 0:24:14.422
<v Speaker 1>the things that you most love about someone near the

0:24:14.462 --> 0:24:17.302
<v Speaker 1>start of a relationship become the things that you have

0:24:17.901 --> 0:24:20.061
<v Speaker 1>you the most like, for example, the way I do

0:24:20.182 --> 0:24:21.022
<v Speaker 1>drink water.

0:24:21.141 --> 0:24:25.381
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it shit's us yeah exactly, mayauzzles.

0:24:25.542 --> 0:24:27.742
<v Speaker 2>I love that. It's like my morning routine. I've read

0:24:27.782 --> 0:24:30.702
<v Speaker 2>Gwyneth's morning routine. He does not love that it takes

0:24:30.702 --> 0:24:32.821
<v Speaker 2>half an hour. He's like, can we just go to

0:24:32.861 --> 0:24:35.302
<v Speaker 2>the gym, babe? And she's like, I'm oil pulling.

0:24:35.661 --> 0:24:38.302
<v Speaker 1>But how everything about her so adorable? I think maybe

0:24:38.341 --> 0:24:39.142
<v Speaker 1>I'm just jealous.

0:24:39.462 --> 0:24:41.982
<v Speaker 3>I think so. The thing about liking her when she's

0:24:41.982 --> 0:24:45.022
<v Speaker 3>agro on the road, like, that's not a particularly likable

0:24:45.341 --> 0:24:46.061
<v Speaker 3>quality at all.

0:24:46.222 --> 0:24:47.581
<v Speaker 2>It is when Gwyneth doesn't may.

0:24:48.581 --> 0:24:51.501
<v Speaker 1>Harry Styles is selling a double started vibrator and some

0:24:51.581 --> 0:24:53.502
<v Speaker 1>fancy lube to go with it. But by the time

0:24:53.542 --> 0:24:55.782
<v Speaker 1>you work out where to put it, too bad, it's

0:24:55.782 --> 0:24:58.782
<v Speaker 1>sold out. Did you know about this?

0:24:59.022 --> 0:25:01.582
<v Speaker 2>You're disappointed by Gwyneth. I'm a little bit. I woke

0:25:01.661 --> 0:25:03.461
<v Speaker 2>up a little bit disappointed by Harry today.

0:25:03.621 --> 0:25:05.862
<v Speaker 3>Why is that because of your puritanical values?

0:25:06.061 --> 0:25:11.502
<v Speaker 2>No, that's you. I am a stand of Harry Styles

0:25:11.821 --> 0:25:14.102
<v Speaker 2>most mornings. When I wake up, after I've checked talk

0:25:14.101 --> 0:25:16.621
<v Speaker 2>Gwyneth is doing, after I've checked what Megan is up to,

0:25:17.061 --> 0:25:19.181
<v Speaker 2>I checked to see if Harry has dropped a new album,

0:25:19.222 --> 0:25:23.821
<v Speaker 2>because it has been forever too long. Harry's house several

0:25:23.861 --> 0:25:26.061
<v Speaker 2>years ago now. It was a massive album. It was

0:25:26.101 --> 0:25:28.181
<v Speaker 2>amazing and we went to the show. Blah blah blah.

0:25:28.182 --> 0:25:29.422
<v Speaker 1>I got COVID at that concert.

0:25:29.502 --> 0:25:32.782
<v Speaker 2>It's definitely Harry's fault. What's he been doing since? Well,

0:25:32.821 --> 0:25:35.542
<v Speaker 2>we have an answer. He's been creating a sex toy.

0:25:35.581 --> 0:25:38.901
<v Speaker 3>He's distracted, and I for one think he's got to

0:25:38.901 --> 0:25:40.821
<v Speaker 3>focus back on the music. There, I said it.

0:25:40.942 --> 0:25:43.101
<v Speaker 1>Do you say that about Rihanna?

0:25:43.542 --> 0:25:46.181
<v Speaker 2>You're right, tell me more about the sex toy, because

0:25:46.222 --> 0:25:48.742
<v Speaker 2>I have some questions about why a sex toy?

0:25:48.821 --> 0:25:51.542
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I don't think he's been like spending all

0:25:51.581 --> 0:25:57.021
<v Speaker 1>his time in factories looking at prototypes, building models, testing

0:25:57.022 --> 0:26:01.222
<v Speaker 1>them out. He created back in twenty twenty one, before

0:26:01.581 --> 0:26:04.742
<v Speaker 1>he even released that album, he created like a brand

0:26:04.782 --> 0:26:08.302
<v Speaker 1>called Pleasing, which creates unisex products. You might remember this.

0:26:08.422 --> 0:26:12.742
<v Speaker 1>They've done nail, skincare and clothing, and now they've gone

0:26:12.742 --> 0:26:15.661
<v Speaker 1>into sexual wellness. So it's like a bit of a

0:26:15.661 --> 0:26:18.461
<v Speaker 1>storefront and they've got different things. You know, there's a hoodie,

0:26:18.502 --> 0:26:21.302
<v Speaker 1>and it's collabs with other brands, So he's not like

0:26:21.422 --> 0:26:24.661
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing these things mostly from scratch. So a lot of

0:26:24.661 --> 0:26:27.502
<v Speaker 1>his clothing is a collab with a fashion digner called J.

0:26:27.702 --> 0:26:30.381
<v Speaker 1>W Anderson who's very well known. And this one is

0:26:30.422 --> 0:26:34.621
<v Speaker 1>with a vibrator company, a collaborator called Zoe Ligon, So

0:26:34.821 --> 0:26:36.542
<v Speaker 1>you know she has a brand of sex toys and

0:26:36.581 --> 0:26:40.701
<v Speaker 1>he's done a collab right, Okay, So what's interesting is

0:26:40.742 --> 0:26:43.462
<v Speaker 1>that this vibrator. When I first heard that it was

0:26:43.542 --> 0:26:47.661
<v Speaker 1>double sided, I had questions too. I was a bit like,

0:26:47.942 --> 0:26:49.381
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to show you a picture of it. What

0:26:49.422 --> 0:26:50.702
<v Speaker 1>would your questions have been, Jesse.

0:26:51.182 --> 0:26:52.821
<v Speaker 3>I guess it's like, are you meant to use it

0:26:52.861 --> 0:26:54.982
<v Speaker 3>with a partner at the same time, in which case

0:26:54.982 --> 0:26:59.581
<v Speaker 3>I have logistics questions. And if it's double sided, well

0:26:59.581 --> 0:27:02.422
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's just depending on your mood. What you put in.

0:27:04.381 --> 0:27:05.422
<v Speaker 1>It looks really nice.

0:27:05.861 --> 0:27:09.101
<v Speaker 3>I know immediately what that is. Yes, So the double

0:27:09.222 --> 0:27:10.702
<v Speaker 3>side looks like a microphone.

0:27:10.782 --> 0:27:13.702
<v Speaker 1>It does a bit. One end is designed for internal

0:27:13.942 --> 0:27:17.782
<v Speaker 1>or insertable use and the other is for external stimulation.

0:27:17.942 --> 0:27:20.901
<v Speaker 1>So you can either use it with a friend or alone.

0:27:20.942 --> 0:27:23.462
<v Speaker 1>So that's the double sided thing, got it? Got it?

0:27:23.702 --> 0:27:25.701
<v Speaker 1>I thought that you needed two people to use it,

0:27:25.742 --> 0:27:27.701
<v Speaker 1>and I had some questions about holes.

0:27:27.982 --> 0:27:30.222
<v Speaker 3>I read this tweet because there's been a lot said

0:27:30.302 --> 0:27:34.302
<v Speaker 3>about how, you know, how every celebrity has or had

0:27:34.341 --> 0:27:37.141
<v Speaker 3>a beauty brand, whether that's makeup, and then it's really

0:27:37.182 --> 0:27:40.302
<v Speaker 3>moved into skincare and it's this booming, booming industry.

0:27:39.861 --> 0:27:44.581
<v Speaker 2>And unbelievably, unbelievably lucretive, lucrative for a small number of

0:27:44.621 --> 0:27:47.302
<v Speaker 2>You've got a celebrity Hailey b bar Worth just sold

0:27:47.381 --> 0:27:50.182
<v Speaker 2>something for BILLIONSD per company. Yep.

0:27:50.661 --> 0:27:53.302
<v Speaker 3>So there's this now infamous tweet that reads everyone is

0:27:53.341 --> 0:27:55.621
<v Speaker 3>beautiful and no one is horny. Like the idea is

0:27:55.621 --> 0:27:58.222
<v Speaker 3>that everyone got so into the products and so into

0:27:58.222 --> 0:28:01.861
<v Speaker 3>making themselves beautiful, but were we having any sex? Because

0:28:01.901 --> 0:28:04.502
<v Speaker 3>we know that gen z like all the data about

0:28:04.502 --> 0:28:07.422
<v Speaker 3>how much sex they're having is going down. But what

0:28:07.462 --> 0:28:10.542
<v Speaker 3>that has never accounted for is like self pleasure, which

0:28:10.581 --> 0:28:14.462
<v Speaker 3>they think is on the rise. And in Australia apparently

0:28:14.502 --> 0:28:17.821
<v Speaker 3>we are a few years behind. In North America and

0:28:17.861 --> 0:28:21.421
<v Speaker 3>even in the UK they're less conservative. I'm always surprised

0:28:21.462 --> 0:28:23.462
<v Speaker 3>in the global market how they talk about Australia is

0:28:23.542 --> 0:28:26.302
<v Speaker 3>quite a conservative country, really, yeap. When it comes to

0:28:26.462 --> 0:28:28.742
<v Speaker 3>sex toys and stuff, we are just we are jessy

0:28:28.742 --> 0:28:32.061
<v Speaker 3>about it. So interestingly, yeah, Whereas in the US there's

0:28:32.101 --> 0:28:35.262
<v Speaker 3>been this full on embrace which has been because of

0:28:35.821 --> 0:28:39.862
<v Speaker 3>online marketing, mostly in that people are happy to buy

0:28:39.862 --> 0:28:41.221
<v Speaker 3>a sex toy if they don't have to go into a.

0:28:41.182 --> 0:28:43.742
<v Speaker 2>Shop and look like that's what the explosion of sex

0:28:43.742 --> 0:28:45.461
<v Speaker 2>toys is all about. Yeah, online shopping.

0:28:45.582 --> 0:28:48.342
<v Speaker 3>And the second thing is that the success of sex

0:28:48.382 --> 0:28:52.142
<v Speaker 3>toys has been about its association with a famous person

0:28:52.502 --> 0:28:55.261
<v Speaker 3>because the taboo and the shame around it has been

0:28:55.342 --> 0:28:58.902
<v Speaker 3>kind of undone. Even in an Australian context. Abby Chatfield

0:28:58.942 --> 0:29:01.222
<v Speaker 3>talked on No Filter about buying a house with her

0:29:01.382 --> 0:29:02.221
<v Speaker 3>sex toy money.

0:29:02.182 --> 0:29:05.261
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a time when you could not scroll

0:29:05.302 --> 0:29:09.342
<v Speaker 1>through Instagram without having every influencer waiving their vibrator acts.

0:29:09.862 --> 0:29:13.702
<v Speaker 3>And it's clearly because and I did some research on this,

0:29:13.702 --> 0:29:15.822
<v Speaker 3>this is projected like if you were going to invest

0:29:15.822 --> 0:29:18.782
<v Speaker 3>in something Apparently like in the next five years, sex toys,

0:29:19.182 --> 0:29:21.142
<v Speaker 3>it's the new syncare, Like it's going to Okay.

0:29:21.182 --> 0:29:22.981
<v Speaker 1>So, after our Rose guys were.

0:29:22.862 --> 0:29:27.862
<v Speaker 2>Launching sided out loud, I.

0:29:27.782 --> 0:29:31.102
<v Speaker 1>Have questions, don't you think I'm kidding? You know how

0:29:31.142 --> 0:29:32.941
<v Speaker 1>my brain was podcast?

0:29:33.102 --> 0:29:33.302
<v Speaker 4>Why?

0:29:33.582 --> 0:29:39.342
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Oh my god, they're nothing less sexy. Back to

0:29:39.382 --> 0:29:42.302
<v Speaker 2>Harry for a sec. Right, So when I read the headlines,

0:29:42.702 --> 0:29:45.181
<v Speaker 2>I assumed I was going to see Harry like waving

0:29:45.222 --> 0:29:47.902
<v Speaker 2>the sexy around. No he's been much too savvy for that.

0:29:47.942 --> 0:29:50.462
<v Speaker 2>He's very distanced from the marketing and lots of ways.

0:29:50.661 --> 0:29:54.022
<v Speaker 2>He appears sort of in the first ad we've seen,

0:29:54.062 --> 0:29:56.822
<v Speaker 2>but not his face, just his body. Because one of

0:29:56.862 --> 0:29:59.062
<v Speaker 2>the things that I questioned about whether or not this

0:29:59.142 --> 0:30:00.942
<v Speaker 2>is a good move for Harry, because you're so right, Jesse,

0:30:01.422 --> 0:30:03.342
<v Speaker 2>everyone has to have a side hustle. Now they can

0:30:03.502 --> 0:30:06.302
<v Speaker 2>change your life, and male celebrities are a little bit

0:30:06.342 --> 0:30:08.222
<v Speaker 2>on the back foot in that. Well, I guess this

0:30:08.262 --> 0:30:10.622
<v Speaker 2>is his hot sauce, right, this is his hot sauces

0:30:10.661 --> 0:30:11.622
<v Speaker 2>salad dressing.

0:30:14.182 --> 0:30:14.422
<v Speaker 3>Sauce.

0:30:15.142 --> 0:30:17.222
<v Speaker 2>It opens the door for people to be able to

0:30:17.262 --> 0:30:20.421
<v Speaker 2>ask him about his sex life endlessly right now, like that,

0:30:20.742 --> 0:30:27.622
<v Speaker 2>for he's always been very very private about what's actually.

0:30:25.661 --> 0:30:26.782
<v Speaker 1>Because I didn't read it that way.

0:30:26.782 --> 0:30:32.222
<v Speaker 3>That's so interesting everyone who releases a sex toy of like, firstly,

0:30:32.582 --> 0:30:36.702
<v Speaker 3>you proclaim yourself as sort of sex positive in some way,

0:30:36.742 --> 0:30:39.582
<v Speaker 3>and has opened talking about pleasure and orgasms and all that.

0:30:39.582 --> 0:30:41.302
<v Speaker 2>Kind of which has been part of his brand and

0:30:41.702 --> 0:30:44.582
<v Speaker 2>very much part of the whole you know, Watermelon Sugar

0:30:44.622 --> 0:30:47.661
<v Speaker 2>Era was all about sex and you know, queer sex

0:30:47.742 --> 0:30:51.102
<v Speaker 2>and gender ambiguous sex, and so he's that's part of

0:30:51.142 --> 0:30:52.902
<v Speaker 2>his brand. But I'm kind of interested that he wants

0:30:52.982 --> 0:30:54.502
<v Speaker 2>to keep it that way, do you know what I mean?

0:30:54.661 --> 0:30:57.382
<v Speaker 3>Is this the first man we can think of his

0:30:57.502 --> 0:31:00.942
<v Speaker 3>launched a female sex toy? Because we've got Gwyneth, We've

0:31:00.982 --> 0:31:05.421
<v Speaker 3>got Cara Delavin, Dakota Johnson, Lily Allen, They've all moved

0:31:05.462 --> 0:31:09.262
<v Speaker 3>into the sexual wellness market in Australia. We've got female examples,

0:31:09.342 --> 0:31:12.462
<v Speaker 3>but I can't think of any men Jesse.

0:31:12.542 --> 0:31:16.102
<v Speaker 1>In twenty sixteen, Motley Crue launched a range of sex

0:31:16.142 --> 0:31:16.742
<v Speaker 1>toys No.

0:31:16.782 --> 0:31:18.542
<v Speaker 2>Thank you only for use in the shower?

0:31:19.982 --> 0:31:25.422
<v Speaker 1>Would you want a Harry vibrator? I think about him anyway.

0:31:25.542 --> 0:31:27.702
<v Speaker 1>It's just like joining those twos.

0:31:27.502 --> 0:31:31.022
<v Speaker 3>There he is. It all depends And this celebrity endorsement

0:31:31.022 --> 0:31:34.622
<v Speaker 3>thing is interesting because even in the beauty context, the

0:31:34.622 --> 0:31:37.342
<v Speaker 3>product being good is what sells product, right. They get

0:31:37.422 --> 0:31:39.941
<v Speaker 3>access to work with really really and it sounds like

0:31:39.982 --> 0:31:41.822
<v Speaker 3>he's done it really well in terms of working with

0:31:41.862 --> 0:31:43.142
<v Speaker 3>people who know what they're talking about.

0:31:43.342 --> 0:31:46.742
<v Speaker 1>It probably had a bad orgasm though, like really in terms.

0:31:46.582 --> 0:31:50.181
<v Speaker 2>Of the bar's pretty low for it vibrator orgasms, you

0:31:50.222 --> 0:31:52.262
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? Want you'd want to make sure

0:31:52.302 --> 0:31:54.542
<v Speaker 2>you're the one with your name on it was clearing

0:31:54.582 --> 0:31:54.902
<v Speaker 2>that bar.

0:31:55.022 --> 0:31:56.702
<v Speaker 1>It's a bit of a moot point because it's around

0:31:56.742 --> 0:31:59.382
<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars if you could buy one. But when

0:31:59.422 --> 0:32:02.822
<v Speaker 1>I went on the website to research, it said no

0:32:02.862 --> 0:32:04.222
<v Speaker 1>products available.

0:32:04.062 --> 0:32:06.662
<v Speaker 2>Against jam all over again. No, I think it's sold out.

0:32:06.942 --> 0:32:09.062
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, they're thinking that eventually it will be

0:32:09.142 --> 0:32:13.462
<v Speaker 3>available for Australians. Just oh okay, after the break. An

0:32:13.502 --> 0:32:16.941
<v Speaker 3>app called Tea is changing the way women date and

0:32:16.982 --> 0:32:19.702
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0:32:19.742 --> 0:32:22.902
<v Speaker 3>tool or digital vigilantism gone too far?

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<v Speaker 2>five days a week. And a huge thank you to

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<v Speaker 2>all our current subscribers.

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<v Speaker 3>A new app called Tea has given way to a thorny,

0:32:45.782 --> 0:32:50.502
<v Speaker 3>very uncomfortable debate about dating, privacy and gender dynamics. So

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<v Speaker 3>this tea app launched in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty

0:32:54.661 --> 0:32:57.981
<v Speaker 3>three around then, but it has since boomed. It is

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<v Speaker 3>the number one app on the App Store in the

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<v Speaker 3>US for this month. It's not yet in Australia, and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll go into why it might not work in Australia

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<v Speaker 3>so much. But here's what it does. It is a

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<v Speaker 3>women only, anonymous app where users review, worn about or

0:33:11.862 --> 0:33:15.342
<v Speaker 3>share stories and photos of men that they have dated

0:33:15.782 --> 0:33:18.342
<v Speaker 3>or that they planned to meet up with. So, for example,

0:33:18.622 --> 0:33:20.542
<v Speaker 3>if I have matched with someone on a dating app,

0:33:20.902 --> 0:33:23.182
<v Speaker 3>I want to know whether it's worth going on a date,

0:33:23.222 --> 0:33:25.181
<v Speaker 3>I might go on to this search his name. I

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<v Speaker 3>can reverse search an image, so that might catch someone

0:33:28.942 --> 0:33:33.062
<v Speaker 3>who changes their name, and I will get reviews which

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<v Speaker 3>might be red flags, green flags. It's linked to things

0:33:37.582 --> 0:33:40.022
<v Speaker 3>like criminal records to all that kind of stuff, and

0:33:40.022 --> 0:33:41.702
<v Speaker 3>it'll give you like a background check.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like Yelp but for men, but for men exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The creator, Sean Cook, was inspired by his mother's negative

0:33:49.102 --> 0:33:52.742
<v Speaker 3>experiences with online dating and catfishing, and basically he thought,

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<v Speaker 3>what the world needs is the largest group chat about dating.

0:33:57.062 --> 0:33:59.661
<v Speaker 3>It's similar to that Facebook group Are we dating the

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<v Speaker 3>same guy? That went viral?

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<v Speaker 2>Which does exist in Australia certainly did.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the modern day equivalent to Whisper networks. So what's

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<v Speaker 3>the problem, Well, a few things. The first is that

0:34:11.302 --> 0:34:14.542
<v Speaker 3>there is an identity verification process for the female users

0:34:14.622 --> 0:34:18.261
<v Speaker 3>right that just this weekend was hacked. So in order

0:34:18.302 --> 0:34:19.502
<v Speaker 3>to go on, I think you've got to have your

0:34:19.542 --> 0:34:23.022
<v Speaker 3>ad a photo and then you're able to use the app.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say used, do you mean you're able to

0:34:26.022 --> 0:34:28.022
<v Speaker 1>post on it or you're just able to see it?

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<v Speaker 3>Both?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>In order to even get onto the app right now,

0:34:32.102 --> 0:34:37.661
<v Speaker 3>thousands of members, images, posts, and comments were exposed. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you think about the context of domestic violence or

0:34:41.022 --> 0:34:45.102
<v Speaker 3>potentially having been with an abuser, and that person then

0:34:45.142 --> 0:34:47.941
<v Speaker 3>has access to things you may have said about them,

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<v Speaker 3>like privileged informent, like that's really quite highly dangerous. The

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<v Speaker 3>other really significant issue is, as James Grieg put it,

0:34:56.582 --> 0:35:01.142
<v Speaker 3>it's digital vigilantism, the TikTok equivalent of a citizen's arrest.

0:35:01.661 --> 0:35:04.862
<v Speaker 3>It's one thing if you're a legitimate scammer or criminal,

0:35:04.902 --> 0:35:08.622
<v Speaker 3>and that is a portion, But do you deserve to

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<v Speaker 3>be publicly shamed or have your reputation impacted because you

0:35:11.822 --> 0:35:16.062
<v Speaker 3>ghosted someone once? There's a big question here about privacy.

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<v Speaker 3>So one star review on the app speaks.

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<v Speaker 1>And you also have no right of reply.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because you can't even get on there and you

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<v Speaker 3>can't screenshot on the app, so if I saw something

0:35:25.422 --> 0:35:28.102
<v Speaker 3>about a friend, I can't even screenshot it and send

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<v Speaker 3>it to them. There's a one star review on the

0:35:30.261 --> 0:35:33.261
<v Speaker 3>app where someone is talking about a friend saying he

0:35:33.382 --> 0:35:36.422
<v Speaker 3>decided not to pursue things romantically with a woman. That

0:35:36.462 --> 0:35:38.701
<v Speaker 3>woman posted on the app, and as a result of

0:35:38.701 --> 0:35:42.062
<v Speaker 3>that review, he'd been turned down on a bunch of dates.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really impacted his mental health and now he avoids

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<v Speaker 3>dating altogether.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like the scarlet letter, Like it's like public shaming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what do we think? What do we think of

0:35:53.142 --> 0:35:55.102
<v Speaker 3>an app like this? Do you think that it has utility?

0:35:55.142 --> 0:35:58.341
<v Speaker 3>I think probably in the Australian context. There's a big

0:35:58.422 --> 0:36:02.342
<v Speaker 3>question about defamation right, Like it feels dangerous for the

0:36:02.382 --> 0:36:06.341
<v Speaker 3>women posting, because if you say something about someone that

0:36:06.382 --> 0:36:08.861
<v Speaker 3>could be seen as defamatory, then that starts to get

0:36:08.862 --> 0:36:11.102
<v Speaker 3>a bit dangerous. And the US has very different lads

0:36:11.142 --> 0:36:12.542
<v Speaker 3>to us. Holly, what do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's great. I think that women exchanging information

0:36:16.302 --> 0:36:18.301
<v Speaker 2>like this is really important. It's one of the few

0:36:18.342 --> 0:36:21.861
<v Speaker 2>things that can protect them. The biggest enemy of this

0:36:22.022 --> 0:36:24.622
<v Speaker 2>is how famous it's become. All of a sudden because

0:36:24.661 --> 0:36:27.261
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're saying, well, the security was breached, that's

0:36:27.302 --> 0:36:29.221
<v Speaker 2>going to happen, right, Like that's going to happen with

0:36:29.261 --> 0:36:30.781
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of apps. I don't think that means it

0:36:30.781 --> 0:36:33.861
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't exist because it's security was breached. I think the

0:36:33.862 --> 0:36:36.742
<v Speaker 2>problem is is the more well known it is, because

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<v Speaker 2>the fact is popular proves that the use case is real,

0:36:39.982 --> 0:36:42.821
<v Speaker 2>that women needed it, wanted it, and use it right,

0:36:43.502 --> 0:36:46.622
<v Speaker 2>and so that's one thing. But then now it scales

0:36:46.822 --> 0:36:49.022
<v Speaker 2>up and more and more people get to know about it,

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<v Speaker 2>then people who have other motives for getting into it

0:36:52.022 --> 0:36:53.261
<v Speaker 2>are going to try and get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say the fact that people wanted it proves

0:36:57.022 --> 0:36:59.301
<v Speaker 1>the use case for it, I'm not saying there's no

0:36:59.422 --> 0:37:03.022
<v Speaker 1>use case for it. But just because people want something

0:37:03.982 --> 0:37:07.821
<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily mean that it's a good thing or that

0:37:07.862 --> 0:37:10.542
<v Speaker 1>it's legitimate. So in response to you know, there are

0:37:10.582 --> 0:37:13.222
<v Speaker 1>all these sort of Reddit threads and men's rights groups

0:37:13.221 --> 0:37:16.062
<v Speaker 1>saying that the tea app needs to be deleted and

0:37:16.142 --> 0:37:20.902
<v Speaker 1>taken down. In response, another app was launched called Tea Born.

0:37:21.221 --> 0:37:24.261
<v Speaker 1>It says get the tea on anyone, check before you date,

0:37:24.422 --> 0:37:28.622
<v Speaker 1>so you could basically leave gossip about anybody, male or female.

0:37:29.142 --> 0:37:31.462
<v Speaker 1>And the Tea Born app was taken out of the

0:37:31.741 --> 0:37:35.062
<v Speaker 1>app store by Apple because users were posting revenge porn

0:37:35.181 --> 0:37:38.261
<v Speaker 1>of women against women. How would we feel if this

0:37:38.422 --> 0:37:42.542
<v Speaker 1>was reversed? So suddenly you can have an app and

0:37:42.862 --> 0:37:44.982
<v Speaker 1>only men are allowed to comment on it and it's

0:37:45.022 --> 0:37:49.421
<v Speaker 1>about women, and suddenly men can go, she was a slut,

0:37:49.781 --> 0:37:51.022
<v Speaker 1>she was this, she was that.

0:37:51.142 --> 0:37:52.902
<v Speaker 3>Are we cool about that too?

0:37:52.382 --> 0:37:57.221
<v Speaker 2>She was a psychlobe? She stored me that this information

0:37:57.422 --> 0:37:59.502
<v Speaker 2>is going to be exchanged anyway, Do you know what

0:37:59.502 --> 0:38:01.901
<v Speaker 2>I mean? You can't stop people from saying what they

0:38:01.942 --> 0:38:06.022
<v Speaker 2>say about people. But this is actually very useful in

0:38:06.102 --> 0:38:07.342
<v Speaker 2>lots of situations.

0:38:07.622 --> 0:38:09.982
<v Speaker 3>I don't think that this information, I don't think it

0:38:09.982 --> 0:38:12.261
<v Speaker 3>would be would have necessarily been shared. So for example,

0:38:12.382 --> 0:38:14.861
<v Speaker 3>there's a tool that's a phone number look up and

0:38:14.902 --> 0:38:18.462
<v Speaker 3>it helps verify if someone has a hidden marriage or

0:38:18.502 --> 0:38:21.421
<v Speaker 3>a concerning history with that phone number. So you could

0:38:21.462 --> 0:38:23.502
<v Speaker 3>go in and go, is this going anywaight? And look,

0:38:23.582 --> 0:38:25.062
<v Speaker 3>maybe he is? And that what I.

0:38:25.022 --> 0:38:27.741
<v Speaker 2>Mean when I say the use case is just talk

0:38:27.822 --> 0:38:31.022
<v Speaker 2>to some women who are using dating apps regularly and

0:38:31.062 --> 0:38:33.582
<v Speaker 2>they are often getting calls from people going I think

0:38:33.622 --> 0:38:36.181
<v Speaker 2>you're dating my boy like this is real, It's not

0:38:36.221 --> 0:38:39.381
<v Speaker 2>an imagined situation. And the thing is is that one

0:38:39.422 --> 0:38:41.382
<v Speaker 2>thing that I mean, as you say, Jesse, it's complicated

0:38:41.382 --> 0:38:43.622
<v Speaker 2>whether or not it could be here. But women cannot

0:38:43.701 --> 0:38:46.502
<v Speaker 2>use public platforms like Facebook, and you can argue that

0:38:46.502 --> 0:38:49.502
<v Speaker 2>absolutely they should not be able to to claim that

0:38:49.542 --> 0:38:51.862
<v Speaker 2>they were abused by somebody because they will get slapped

0:38:51.902 --> 0:38:53.861
<v Speaker 2>by defamation. And there are lots of cases of that

0:38:53.942 --> 0:38:56.582
<v Speaker 2>where a woman in Australia tried to warn the new

0:38:56.622 --> 0:38:58.861
<v Speaker 2>partner of a man who was abusing her and he

0:38:58.942 --> 0:39:02.181
<v Speaker 2>immediately sued her, and that happens like it happens a lot.

0:39:02.302 --> 0:39:04.462
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not saying that this is perfect. I'm not

0:39:04.502 --> 0:39:06.901
<v Speaker 2>saying it isn't open to abuse. But what I am

0:39:06.942 --> 0:39:09.861
<v Speaker 2>saying is I can see the appeal. I can see

0:39:09.862 --> 0:39:12.102
<v Speaker 2>why women want to use it, and I can see

0:39:12.102 --> 0:39:13.662
<v Speaker 2>why it's legitimate and lots of ways.

0:39:13.862 --> 0:39:17.462
<v Speaker 1>There was a woman called Moira Donnegan. She started and

0:39:17.502 --> 0:39:20.622
<v Speaker 1>created a Google spreadsheet around the time of Me Too

0:39:21.302 --> 0:39:25.422
<v Speaker 1>called Shitty Media Men, which circulated like wildfire, as you

0:39:25.462 --> 0:39:29.221
<v Speaker 1>can imagine, and it was circulated among women who worked

0:39:29.221 --> 0:39:30.622
<v Speaker 1>in the media, and it was exactly what you say

0:39:30.902 --> 0:39:32.942
<v Speaker 1>it was about this whisper network, and there were you

0:39:32.982 --> 0:39:38.582
<v Speaker 1>could anonymously list any man and then his transgressions and

0:39:38.622 --> 0:39:43.902
<v Speaker 1>these ranged from allegations of rape to just it was

0:39:43.902 --> 0:39:47.582
<v Speaker 1>a bit creepy, Yeah, felt a bit creepy, or stood

0:39:47.582 --> 0:39:50.181
<v Speaker 1>me up for dinner or whatever. And so that ended

0:39:50.221 --> 0:39:53.661
<v Speaker 1>up being part of a huge legal case when some

0:39:53.701 --> 0:39:56.382
<v Speaker 1>of those men said, firstly, what was written about me

0:39:56.902 --> 0:39:59.261
<v Speaker 1>was not true and it was never proven in court,

0:39:59.261 --> 0:40:02.502
<v Speaker 1>and these were allegations that were very serious and life ruining,

0:40:02.542 --> 0:40:05.462
<v Speaker 1>and some men did have their lives ruined and they

0:40:05.502 --> 0:40:08.821
<v Speaker 1>had no recourse. And what happened in the process of

0:40:08.822 --> 0:40:11.342
<v Speaker 1>that is that every woman, not just who added something

0:40:11.342 --> 0:40:14.341
<v Speaker 1>to that list, but every woman who received that list

0:40:14.342 --> 0:40:17.341
<v Speaker 1>and saw it was named and exposed as part of

0:40:17.382 --> 0:40:20.542
<v Speaker 1>this lawsuit. What I keep coming back to, and I

0:40:20.542 --> 0:40:22.902
<v Speaker 1>feel so uncomfortable about this, even though I do know

0:40:22.942 --> 0:40:24.982
<v Speaker 1>what you're saying in terms of someone who's got you know,

0:40:25.062 --> 0:40:29.261
<v Speaker 1>around DV or around if they're married, but that's sort

0:40:29.261 --> 0:40:32.502
<v Speaker 1>of maybe the ten percent. The ninety percent is other

0:40:32.622 --> 0:40:36.701
<v Speaker 1>stuff that's around not being a good person, or that's

0:40:36.902 --> 0:40:42.221
<v Speaker 1>more subjective. I keep thinking about when public commentary was

0:40:42.382 --> 0:40:47.661
<v Speaker 1>disconnected from identity. That's when things started to devolve in

0:40:47.741 --> 0:40:48.941
<v Speaker 1>the online world in terms.

0:40:49.022 --> 0:40:50.781
<v Speaker 3>So you're talking about the anonymity.

0:40:50.382 --> 0:40:52.822
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the anonymity as soon as people were able

0:40:52.862 --> 0:40:56.582
<v Speaker 1>to post anonymous comments, whether it's on an Instagram or Facebook,

0:40:56.582 --> 0:41:00.941
<v Speaker 1>cod anywhere on the internet. When you decouple identity from

0:41:01.221 --> 0:41:05.821
<v Speaker 1>accusations and commentary, that's where things can go really, really bad.

0:41:06.462 --> 0:41:06.701
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:41:06.982 --> 0:41:09.221
<v Speaker 1>And I also understand that sometimes you're not in a

0:41:09.261 --> 0:41:11.502
<v Speaker 1>position to put your name to me.

0:41:11.701 --> 0:41:14.942
<v Speaker 2>You've never put your name. However, it also.

0:41:15.342 --> 0:41:18.701
<v Speaker 1>Is like, what if someone wrote something about your son,

0:41:18.822 --> 0:41:21.381
<v Speaker 1>or your husband, or your friend or your brother, and

0:41:21.422 --> 0:41:24.062
<v Speaker 1>they had no recourse, They don't know who did it.

0:41:24.781 --> 0:41:28.062
<v Speaker 1>They say it wasn't true. This was perhaps this person's

0:41:28.102 --> 0:41:30.821
<v Speaker 1>either subjective view or it's someone who was just really

0:41:30.862 --> 0:41:34.582
<v Speaker 1>pissed off and wanted to wreck him. I find that

0:41:34.622 --> 0:41:35.582
<v Speaker 1>incredibly just so.

0:41:35.902 --> 0:41:38.862
<v Speaker 3>On the one hand, I think that this is probably

0:41:39.181 --> 0:41:42.502
<v Speaker 3>filling a hole that has been left by very imperfect

0:41:42.902 --> 0:41:48.702
<v Speaker 3>legal system that leaves women with no path to justice

0:41:48.701 --> 0:41:49.102
<v Speaker 3>a lot.

0:41:48.982 --> 0:41:50.941
<v Speaker 2>Of the time. So that's the thing is that when

0:41:50.982 --> 0:41:53.661
<v Speaker 2>people say, but none of this stuff has been proven. Yeah,

0:41:53.741 --> 0:41:55.822
<v Speaker 2>do you know how difficult it is for any woman

0:41:55.902 --> 0:41:58.261
<v Speaker 2>to get herself believed, never mind all the way through

0:41:58.261 --> 0:42:00.102
<v Speaker 2>a legal process. So what are they supposed to do

0:42:00.142 --> 0:42:03.542
<v Speaker 2>exactly with this information that they have? That women exchanging

0:42:03.582 --> 0:42:08.102
<v Speaker 2>information has always been incredibly important for women to protect themselves.

0:42:08.221 --> 0:42:11.221
<v Speaker 3>So if you are the victim of sexual assault, which

0:42:11.261 --> 0:42:13.741
<v Speaker 3>we know like one in three women are, if you

0:42:13.942 --> 0:42:17.661
<v Speaker 3>are the victim of a scammer, like we have all

0:42:17.701 --> 0:42:20.021
<v Speaker 3>these like who the hell is Hamish? And Dirty John

0:42:20.062 --> 0:42:23.301
<v Speaker 3>and all these stories about men who have changed names

0:42:23.302 --> 0:42:27.981
<v Speaker 3>and identities and you know, robbed women of so much

0:42:28.022 --> 0:42:30.502
<v Speaker 3>of their life savings, you kind of go, well, if

0:42:30.542 --> 0:42:33.542
<v Speaker 3>it can prevent that, then I see it as something useful.

0:42:33.542 --> 0:42:37.062
<v Speaker 3>And I think that this exists and is popular because

0:42:37.102 --> 0:42:40.142
<v Speaker 3>of an otherwise very big gap, which is that women

0:42:40.261 --> 0:42:43.102
<v Speaker 3>go and whether it's restraining orders or whatever, they then

0:42:43.382 --> 0:42:46.902
<v Speaker 3>often not listen to and the legal system is too difficult.

0:42:47.062 --> 0:42:50.062
<v Speaker 1>How is it not also at the same time, character assassination,

0:42:50.261 --> 0:42:53.582
<v Speaker 1>Like I understand people going on thinking, oh, I'm not

0:42:53.622 --> 0:42:55.421
<v Speaker 1>sure about this guy, or maybe you want to check

0:42:55.462 --> 0:42:58.341
<v Speaker 1>has he got any DV convictions? Is he married? I

0:42:58.422 --> 0:43:01.221
<v Speaker 1>understand all of that. Before a date, what I would

0:43:01.261 --> 0:43:04.261
<v Speaker 1>do is go and just find the tea, Like what

0:43:04.302 --> 0:43:06.381
<v Speaker 1>are other women say about that, But then.

0:43:06.302 --> 0:43:07.981
<v Speaker 2>It's up to you what you do with that tea.

0:43:08.062 --> 0:43:09.661
<v Speaker 2>So when you said you know, there's a world of

0:43:09.701 --> 0:43:11.741
<v Speaker 2>difference between ghosting and abuse, of course there is. So

0:43:11.781 --> 0:43:12.982
<v Speaker 2>if I go on and I check him and it

0:43:13.062 --> 0:43:15.341
<v Speaker 2>just says he ghosted me once the way that my

0:43:15.462 --> 0:43:17.901
<v Speaker 2>mind would work, and we all know many many women

0:43:17.942 --> 0:43:19.542
<v Speaker 2>in our lives to do the stugga, Well he ghosted

0:43:19.542 --> 0:43:21.102
<v Speaker 2>you because he wasn't that into you. He'll totally be

0:43:21.102 --> 0:43:24.142
<v Speaker 2>into me. You know what, I don't. It's not mandatory,

0:43:24.221 --> 0:43:25.301
<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? Like, I don't. I

0:43:25.342 --> 0:43:28.342
<v Speaker 2>think that if you're opting in to search for somebody

0:43:28.422 --> 0:43:31.661
<v Speaker 2>who's given you a reason to feel a bit uncomfortable

0:43:31.741 --> 0:43:34.382
<v Speaker 2>or uneasy with the more you've had really bad experiences,

0:43:34.462 --> 0:43:37.102
<v Speaker 2>and you find something, then it's kind of up to

0:43:37.142 --> 0:43:39.622
<v Speaker 2>you what you do with that, and also how seriously

0:43:39.661 --> 0:43:39.941
<v Speaker 2>you take.

0:43:40.062 --> 0:43:43.422
<v Speaker 3>I think there is a question though about collateral damage

0:43:43.741 --> 0:43:47.142
<v Speaker 3>and when the question of anonymity, And I never want

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<v Speaker 3>to accuse women of lying because we know that false

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<v Speaker 3>reporting of crimes like these where women make an allegation

0:43:52.741 --> 0:43:55.422
<v Speaker 3>of sexual assault or domestic violence against a man is

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<v Speaker 3>really percentage wise, is very very rare when you've got

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<v Speaker 3>the element of anonymity in there. And if you hate

0:44:04.382 --> 0:44:08.861
<v Speaker 3>your boss, if you hate your ex boyfriend, and there

0:44:08.942 --> 0:44:11.662
<v Speaker 3>is something you can do to make their life harder,

0:44:11.781 --> 0:44:14.261
<v Speaker 3>you wouldn't go on there and say they ghosted you, right,

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<v Speaker 3>You would say the absolute top thing, which then dilutes

0:44:17.582 --> 0:44:21.622
<v Speaker 3>the legitimacy of the real accusations. And so I guess

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<v Speaker 3>I worry about that because if I went on I

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<v Speaker 3>was about to go on a date and it said

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<v Speaker 3>it was one review and one red flag, and it

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<v Speaker 3>said he was someone who physically assaulted someone, I would

0:44:31.942 --> 0:44:33.502
<v Speaker 3>not go on a date with that man. And so

0:44:33.582 --> 0:44:35.381
<v Speaker 3>that man has been marked, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think a lot of people would be going

0:44:37.062 --> 0:44:39.901
<v Speaker 1>there to write positive reviews. So you know what we

0:44:39.902 --> 0:44:41.861
<v Speaker 1>always say about don't read the comments is that the

0:44:41.862 --> 0:44:45.022
<v Speaker 1>people who leave comments about anything are most likely to

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<v Speaker 1>be on the extremes. And usually the more angry and

0:44:47.261 --> 0:44:49.341
<v Speaker 1>pissed off you are, the more likely you are leave

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<v Speaker 1>a comment, So you can get a very skewed view

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<v Speaker 1>of either a situation or a story or a person.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the vast majority of men wouldn't be on it,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? Like the guy, you've

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<v Speaker 2>searched for Bob. Bob's not there because Bob's not done

0:45:02.302 --> 0:45:03.542
<v Speaker 2>anything to piss anyone off.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's fine, Yeah, I know, But can you see

0:45:06.342 --> 0:45:07.462
<v Speaker 3>a world in which.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I its abused apps?

0:45:09.942 --> 0:45:10.142
<v Speaker 4>You do?

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<v Speaker 2>I think just because some things can be abused by

0:45:13.342 --> 0:45:17.301
<v Speaker 2>bad actors, that they shouldn't exist. No out loud is

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<v Speaker 2>that's all we've got time for. Except we promised you

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<v Speaker 2>our top fives and the reasons why for our favorite

0:45:24.221 --> 0:45:27.182
<v Speaker 2>Australian songs of all time. We all forgot to vote

0:45:27.261 --> 0:45:30.342
<v Speaker 2>in the Triple Jist one hundreds and this is consider

0:45:30.382 --> 0:45:32.542
<v Speaker 2>this our late ballots. Yeah, who wants to lead?

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse? You go first?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm gonna go Chains by Tina Arena because I

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<v Speaker 3>feel she was robbed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you say that because I just forgot

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<v Speaker 1>about it. You forgot?

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<v Speaker 3>That's okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that number five?

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<v Speaker 3>That's my number five?

0:45:43.502 --> 0:45:43.661
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Number four. I'm going to go with holding On by Flume.

0:45:47.022 --> 0:45:48.102
<v Speaker 3>I really like Flume.

0:45:48.302 --> 0:45:50.582
<v Speaker 2>I like was in there a couple of times. Tell

0:45:50.622 --> 0:45:51.301
<v Speaker 2>me why.

0:45:51.582 --> 0:45:54.582
<v Speaker 3>I just think it's like, it's such a good party song.

0:45:55.102 --> 0:45:58.222
<v Speaker 3>I love when I'm overseas and I hear Ozzie Music

0:45:58.342 --> 0:45:59.901
<v Speaker 3>and I just have been traveling and heard that song

0:45:59.942 --> 0:46:04.262
<v Speaker 3>about me so happy. Number three I'm going to go truly, madly,

0:46:04.302 --> 0:46:06.142
<v Speaker 3>deeply by not.

0:46:06.181 --> 0:46:08.862
<v Speaker 2>Enough Savage Garden and not High Enough.

0:46:09.022 --> 0:46:10.102
<v Speaker 3>I loved Average Garden.

0:46:10.142 --> 0:46:11.341
<v Speaker 1>I just love them.

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<v Speaker 3>Number two Torn by Nataliembroler. Yes, it's just that is

0:46:15.022 --> 0:46:18.941
<v Speaker 3>on like my list of such a banger. That film

0:46:18.942 --> 0:46:22.622
<v Speaker 3>clip her haircut, it was a moment. Number one Better

0:46:22.701 --> 0:46:24.862
<v Speaker 3>Be Home Soon by Crowded. I think it's one of

0:46:24.862 --> 0:46:26.701
<v Speaker 3>the best songs ever. That's Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a lot of common ground.

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<v Speaker 2>I do too. I think her top fives are going

0:46:31.261 --> 0:46:32.142
<v Speaker 2>to be quite similar.

0:46:32.342 --> 0:46:33.661
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Maya, what's your top five?

0:46:33.741 --> 0:46:39.341
<v Speaker 1>Okay? I did have six, and I had Natalie and

0:46:39.342 --> 0:46:42.662
<v Speaker 1>Broulier Torn, but I want to tie it with chains.

0:46:42.741 --> 0:46:44.381
<v Speaker 1>I know I sound like I'm just copying you. That's

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<v Speaker 1>because I am. Okay, all right. My next song is

0:46:47.661 --> 0:46:51.221
<v Speaker 1>in an excess song and it is not that one.

0:46:51.502 --> 0:46:54.382
<v Speaker 1>It is either Disappear or New Sensation.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't do wrong about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Number four either, don't If there's gonna be an excess

0:47:02.542 --> 0:47:06.021
<v Speaker 2>song in there, shouldn't it be did a little little litter?

0:47:06.062 --> 0:47:12.542
<v Speaker 2>Shouldn't it be that one sexy moment.

0:47:12.582 --> 0:47:14.901
<v Speaker 3>Okay, what's like all of them? What do you get? Okay,

0:47:14.902 --> 0:47:16.262
<v Speaker 3>if you get extra, I get extra.

0:47:17.382 --> 0:47:20.102
<v Speaker 1>Don't dream. It's over crowded house, but also better be Home.

0:47:20.142 --> 0:47:22.302
<v Speaker 3>Better Homes, a better song than I would.

0:47:22.221 --> 0:47:24.861
<v Speaker 1>Like this Top five, My order is a little bit

0:47:24.862 --> 0:47:26.701
<v Speaker 1>fucked up. But then I'm going to say, am I

0:47:26.701 --> 0:47:28.542
<v Speaker 1>ever going to see your face again? By The Angels?

0:47:28.661 --> 0:47:31.462
<v Speaker 1>And I thought about what you said. Whole about that

0:47:31.661 --> 0:47:34.142
<v Speaker 1>is my youth, you know? So many of these are

0:47:34.142 --> 0:47:37.341
<v Speaker 1>the pub songs that I didn't go to pubs, but

0:47:37.382 --> 0:47:39.902
<v Speaker 1>that I danced to your parties. Then I'm going to

0:47:39.982 --> 0:47:43.902
<v Speaker 1>say Midnight Oil, a Power and the Passion. Oh yes, okay,

0:47:43.942 --> 0:47:47.622
<v Speaker 1>Midnight Oil, I mean, come on right. Beds of Burning

0:47:47.661 --> 0:47:51.341
<v Speaker 1>is also great. But number one, believe this is even

0:47:51.342 --> 0:47:53.622
<v Speaker 1>a contest. You're the Voice by John Ollen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree.

0:47:54.741 --> 0:47:59.022
<v Speaker 2>I love that song. Oh my god, that song that man,

0:47:59.382 --> 0:48:03.022
<v Speaker 2>it was comic fifteen. I think I think it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, how about you, Holly five?

0:48:05.582 --> 0:48:08.582
<v Speaker 2>I have reasons for all of mine. Number five, like

0:48:08.701 --> 0:48:12.742
<v Speaker 2>you guys, It's Tall by Natalie Karaoke. It's my favorite

0:48:12.822 --> 0:48:16.102
<v Speaker 2>karaoke so so one of them. Yes, the Moment in

0:48:16.181 --> 0:48:17.821
<v Speaker 2>Time when she did that, I thought she was the

0:48:17.862 --> 0:48:19.542
<v Speaker 2>most beautiful Maan I don't see and you know how

0:48:19.542 --> 0:48:22.742
<v Speaker 2>you get obsessed with that. Number four, it is slightly newer.

0:48:22.781 --> 0:48:25.741
<v Speaker 2>It's booster Seat by Spacey Jane. The reason why how

0:48:25.781 --> 0:48:31.902
<v Speaker 2>does that because in my booster's seat it feels like anyway?

0:48:31.942 --> 0:48:33.661
<v Speaker 2>The reason why I don't know that one me and

0:48:33.701 --> 0:48:35.821
<v Speaker 2>my daughter sing it in the car. We have sung

0:48:35.822 --> 0:48:37.982
<v Speaker 2>it in the car together for years now, so I

0:48:38.062 --> 0:48:40.462
<v Speaker 2>know that even when I'm on my deathbed, if I

0:48:40.462 --> 0:48:41.342
<v Speaker 2>hear that song.

0:48:41.221 --> 0:48:45.342
<v Speaker 3>It will That makes me feel really happy, because yesterday

0:48:45.422 --> 0:48:48.022
<v Speaker 3>Luna made me play police sirens in the car, so

0:48:48.102 --> 0:48:50.662
<v Speaker 3>one day we may listen to real music to Spacey Jane.

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<v Speaker 2>Number three. It's a Missy Higgins, but not one of

0:48:54.181 --> 0:48:55.821
<v Speaker 2>the ones that made it in the Sound of White

0:48:57.022 --> 0:49:03.301
<v Speaker 2>That yeah, exactly. The reason it's in my list is

0:49:03.302 --> 0:49:05.861
<v Speaker 2>because every single time I hear it, no matter how

0:49:05.902 --> 0:49:09.062
<v Speaker 2>many times I've heard it, it makes me cry losing

0:49:09.142 --> 0:49:12.582
<v Speaker 2>someone fry my eyes out. Number two. How was this

0:49:12.622 --> 0:49:15.142
<v Speaker 2>song not in the Hot one hundred Chandelier by see It?

0:49:15.382 --> 0:49:15.701
<v Speaker 2>I know?

0:49:15.982 --> 0:49:17.262
<v Speaker 3>I agree that is one.

0:49:17.142 --> 0:49:19.862
<v Speaker 2>Of my favorite bangers of all time song.

0:49:19.741 --> 0:49:21.701
<v Speaker 1>Throw your Arms around Me hunters and collectors.

0:49:21.942 --> 0:49:23.542
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I wonder if that made it.

0:49:23.542 --> 0:49:25.422
<v Speaker 2>But Chandelier is one of my pomp up songs and

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<v Speaker 2>number one and it was in the top ten is

0:49:27.142 --> 0:49:30.422
<v Speaker 2>how to Make Gravy by Paul Kelly. Because it for me,

0:49:30.542 --> 0:49:33.981
<v Speaker 2>it's Christmas, it's family, it's our songs. So I think

0:49:34.062 --> 0:49:38.261
<v Speaker 2>your songs are always going to be emotionally connected to something, and.

0:49:38.342 --> 0:49:40.662
<v Speaker 3>Those I'd like to say that I would have pretty

0:49:40.741 --> 0:49:42.382
<v Speaker 3>much all five Messy Higgins, but I felt like she

0:49:42.422 --> 0:49:45.261
<v Speaker 3>did get acknowledged with Scar and also just a late entrance.

0:49:45.302 --> 0:49:47.422
<v Speaker 3>I think Horses by darryl Oh that.

0:49:47.342 --> 0:49:51.142
<v Speaker 1>Was on their tur That would have been Amelia Lester's

0:49:51.142 --> 0:49:52.542
<v Speaker 1>top song. That was her wedding song.

0:49:52.822 --> 0:49:57.221
<v Speaker 2>Really, all the Americans look really confused.

0:49:57.422 --> 0:50:02.102
<v Speaker 1>Yes they were, they were confused. That is that chronic song.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, before we go, I think you have something to

0:50:04.462 --> 0:50:05.821
<v Speaker 2>tell the out loud as me I do.

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<v Speaker 1>We hear from so many of you who are struggling

0:50:08.862 --> 0:50:11.181
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0:50:11.181 --> 0:50:14.701
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<v Speaker 1>at Muma Mia we are going to create a new podcast.

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0:50:24.822 --> 0:50:29.501
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