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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Good morning from gadigal Land. I'm Taylor Strano. We're heading

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Speaker 2: towards January twenty six, which brings up a lot of

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Speaker 2: different feelings for a lot of different people. Change the date,

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Speaker 2: keep the date, What does the day really mean? This year?

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Speaker 2: Tony Armstrong is joining that conversation, bringing humor to the table.

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Speaker 2: His new ABC special Always Was Tonight is a sharp

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Speaker 2: First Nations led news satire that promises to decolonize the news,

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Speaker 2: one headline at a time. It'll land right in the

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Speaker 2: middle of it all, filmed live, built by a room

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Speaker 2: full of First Nations writers, and taking on the stories

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Speaker 2: and headlines Australia can't ignore at this time of year

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Speaker 2: or ever. Today we'll speak to Tony about what he

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Speaker 2: wants this show to do that other news programs don't,

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Speaker 2: and why he reckons humor can sometimes get through where

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Speaker 2: straight politics can't. Before we get there, Clare Murphy's got

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Speaker 2: in News headlines for Monday, January nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Taylor. Parliament will resume today. Is MPs A calledback

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Speaker 1: early to pay their respects to the victims of the

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Speaker 1: Bondai terror attack and work on laws to ensure it

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen again. Australian politicians will today mark a condolence

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Speaker 1: motion for the victims of the December fourteen massacre, during

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Speaker 1: which fifteen people were killed by gunmen targeting a Jewish celebration.

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Speaker 1: The government initially planned to introduce an omnibus bill that

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Speaker 1: would both criminalize hate speech and strengthen gun laws, but

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Speaker 1: widespread opposition from across the political aisle forced a move

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Speaker 1: to split the legislation into two. The firearms legislation will

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Speaker 1: enable a promised gun buyback, which was agreed in a

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Speaker 1: national cabinet deal with the States and territories to tighten

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Speaker 1: gun laws following the attack, where it was revealed that

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Speaker 1: one of the gunmen's, Serjid Akram, was a licensed holder

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Speaker 1: of six firearms, despite his son and fellow attacker Navid,

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Speaker 1: having previously come to the attention of ASIO for links

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Speaker 1: to Islamic extremists. Fresh figures from the Department of Home

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Speaker 1: Affairs shows that were a record word four point one

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Speaker 1: million firearms in Australia, more than at the time of

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Speaker 1: the Port Arthur massacre three decades ago. With the Green support,

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Speaker 1: the government expects the gun legislation to be enshrined into law,

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Speaker 1: but the fate of the hate speech changes is less clear.

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Speaker 1: Labour maintains hope it can strike a deal with the

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Speaker 1: opposition to usher the contentious legislation through the Senate on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday evening, but senators are preparing for a marathon sitting

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Speaker 1: that could drag on into Wednesday morning. The Greens are

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Speaker 1: opposed to the hate speech measures, concerned they'll risk political

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Speaker 1: freedom such as the ability to protest Israel's war in Gaza,

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Speaker 1: as well as changes increasing the power of the Home

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Speaker 1: Affairs Minister to cancel visas. The Coalition has signaled it

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Speaker 1: is willing to salvage Labour's failed laws, but its MPs

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Speaker 1: are worried about the impact on freedom of speech, even

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Speaker 1: after a contentious racial vilification component was removed. Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: Anthony Albernizi has been asked to join the Board of

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Speaker 1: Peace to help rebuild Gaza by US President Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: A draft charter for the organization has been sent to

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Speaker 1: a number of world leaders, including al Benizi and the

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Speaker 1: leaders of Canada, Turkey and Argentina, although it's not clear

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Speaker 1: exactly how many have been asked to participate. At this stage,

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Speaker 1: all of those who accept the invitation would represent their

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Speaker 1: country in the rebuilding efforts in the war torn region

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Speaker 1: in a term no longer than three years. If a

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Speaker 1: country wants to stay on any longer, they have to

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Speaker 1: pay US one billion dollars. An executive board will work

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Speaker 1: under the Board of Peace, which includes the U s

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Trump's son in law Jared Kushner,

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Speaker 1: and the US's Special Envoy to the Middle East, Steve Whitcoff.

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Speaker 1: The organization has drawn criticism from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu,

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Speaker 1: who said the announcement of those involved included no input

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Speaker 1: from his government. A thirteen year old boy is fighting

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Speaker 1: for his life after being bitten on the leg by

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Speaker 1: a shark at a popular Sydney beach. Emergency services were

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Speaker 1: called to Vaucluse in the city's east to reports of

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Speaker 1: a shark attack at around four to twenty pm yesterday.

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Speaker 1: The boy was pulled from the water off Shark Beach

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Speaker 1: by New South Wales Police and Marine Area Command officers

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Speaker 1: within minutes of the call being made to Triple zero.

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Speaker 1: The incident happened Ninnis Wilson Park in Shark Beach, a

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Speaker 1: popular swimming spot for families that has a netted area

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Speaker 1: in Sydney Harbour. The beach has been closed and swimmers

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Speaker 1: President Donald Trump has threatened to implement a wave of

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Speaker 1: increasing tariffs on EU members Denmark's, Sweden, France, Germany, the

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Speaker 1: Netherlands and Finland, along with Britain and Norway until the

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Speaker 1: United States is allowed to buy Greenland. All the country

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Speaker 1: is already subject to tariffs of ten percent and fifteen percent.

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Speaker 1: Have now sent small numbers of military personnel to Greenland,

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Speaker 1: while the European Union is facing calls to implement a

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Speaker 1: never before used range of economic countermeasures known as the

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Speaker 1: Anti Coercion Instrument, as part of the block's response to

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Speaker 1: Trump's tariff threats. The Anti Coercion Instrument which could limit

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Speaker 1: access to public tenders in the Block or restrict trade

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Speaker 1: in services in which the US has a surplus with

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Speaker 1: the EU. However, some EU diplomats say now is not

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Speaker 1: the time to escalate the situation. Game of Throne stars

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Speaker 1: Amelia Clark has revealed that she suffered a broken rib

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Speaker 1: while shooting intimate scenes for her new spy Drum the Ponies.

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Speaker 1: Speaking to The Wrap, the thirty nine year old said,

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Speaker 1: a number of hours just kept bringing it. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to sit on this thing. You're going to bring them in.

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Speaker 1: We're going to pretend to have sex.

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Speaker 2: She said.

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Speaker 1: I broke a rib that day. She said it didn't

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Speaker 1: Hailey Lie Richardson confirming the story, saying that Clark is

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Speaker 1: such a tiny, little sensitive body.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire. Next Always Was Tonight with Tony Armstrong, The

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Speaker 2: ABC is kicking off twenty twenty six with a one

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Speaker 2: off special that's part news show, part roast, and completely

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Speaker 2: First Nations led. Always Was Tonight is a thirty minute

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Speaker 2: satirical news program hosted by Tony Armstrong. The brief is

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Speaker 2: simple and yet not simple at all. Decolonize the news,

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Speaker 2: one headline at a time. The showline squarely in the

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Speaker 2: week around January twenty six and uses comedy to talk

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Speaker 2: about the kinds of issues that usually only show up

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Speaker 2: as heavy polarized debates, what the day means, what it's

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Speaker 2: like moving through Australia as a First Nations person, and

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Speaker 2: how the media covers stories of Aboriginal and Torres Strait

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Speaker 2: Islander people the rest of the year. On top of that,

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Speaker 2: it's all happening in front of a live studio audience,

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Speaker 2: so no pressure. I caught it with Tony ahead of

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Speaker 2: the Wednesday premiere date, and yes, we obviously ended this

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Speaker 2: conversation talking about two things that we are both passionate about,

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Speaker 2: food and footy. Always was Tonight aims to decolonize the

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Speaker 2: news and take on the issues Australia can not ignore.

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Speaker 2: What to you are some of those big issues that

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Speaker 2: we can no longer turn away from, say today, I.

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Speaker 3: Think a big focus of this show is.

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Speaker 4: Us actually speaking on our own behalf. I think what

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Speaker 4: like a lot of rhetoric around you know what is

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Speaker 4: the best way forward? You know, a lot of talk

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Speaker 3: But for us, I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's a great opportunity to talk about some of

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Speaker 4: the issues and just what it's like being Blackfellows through

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Speaker 4: the lens of satire, because I think that makes it

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Speaker 4: a little bit easier for people to digest it, and

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Speaker 4: it also gives us the opportunity to speak on our

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean a whole raft of issues will

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I think the main thing that we're pumped

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Speaker 4: about is we get to speak about.

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Speaker 3: It on our own behalf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're so right. I mean, it's one

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Speaker 2: of those times that we get to hear from a

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you the question, like, as a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it's pretty funny.

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Speaker 4: I think what's important for everyone to understand is, you know,

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Speaker 4: this is a time of year that means a lot

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Speaker 4: to a lot of different people in a lot of

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Speaker 4: being able to express how this time of year and

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Speaker 3: It's just an opportunity for people to I guess.

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Speaker 4: Connect with what we feel and what we find is

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Speaker 4: It can be quite an emotionally charged time where people

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Speaker 2: When I think about First Nations people that I've seen

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Speaker 2: and so many beautiful, big talented names and voices there.

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Speaker 2: But beyond what we see in those kind of lights,

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Speaker 2: there's also all of the headlines and all of these

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Speaker 2: So I'd love to know, like, how do you describe

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, that's a really good question. I think it's

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Speaker 4: I don't think these stories that the ones that seem

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Speaker 4: to carry the furthest are the ones that are stories

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Speaker 3: You know, you work in the same racket, you see

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Speaker 4: The stories that have a bit sort of more of

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Speaker 4: a negative tinge to them seem to be the ones.

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Speaker 3: That get clicks.

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Speaker 4: They drive traffic a bit more, and so I think

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Speaker 3: A relationship as we could. I still don't think that.

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Speaker 4: There are enough sort of black voices in the media,

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Speaker 4: and that's not through lack of talent either.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think we're at a talent shortage.

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Speaker 4: I think we're a perceived that's very important, where that

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Speaker 4: a perceived risk aversion. Full kudos to ABC Indigenous and

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Speaker 4: the ABC for putting a show like this on. You know,

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Speaker 4: where I've just come from, all blackfellows. You know, we've

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Speaker 4: got James Colly as well, a legend of Australian comedy

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Speaker 3: Sort of just giving us some advice along the way.

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Speaker 4: There's so much talent there and I would love to

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Speaker 4: see Australian media take more of the opportunities in front

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Speaker 4: of them to put you know, not just not just

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Speaker 4: blackfellow faces, but diverse faces on their screen and in

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Speaker 2: Talk to me more about the lineup for the show,

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Speaker 2: because I'm really excited about the fact that it's not

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Speaker 2: just happening, it's comedy, Tony. I mean, I can't do comedy.

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Speaker 2: I do news, but I'd love to hear more about

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Speaker 2: what's happening on the show when you work out how.

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Speaker 3: To do comedy.

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Speaker 4: Let me know, I've got a host a show and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're driving the bus. Good luck with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have full confidence in you, Tony. The other

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Speaker 3: It's been lit up. We're using an LED.

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Speaker 2: Tony, did you ever think, and maybe you've been reflecting

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Speaker 4: Look, to be honest, it's like you almost said like

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Speaker 2: Know, like you're going to be fine doing comedy live.

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Speaker 3: To me, to be fair, all I wanted to do

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Speaker 3: God, a board of some company, Like that's what I

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Speaker 2: Hey, before you go, Tony. I told the office we

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Speaker 3: She won't be on the show. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: we don't. We don't want to mix that. We don't

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Speaker 2: That's so fair. This second one is actually not from

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Speaker 3: Look, the Swans will bounce. Sorry we took Charlie.

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Speaker 4: You did get two amazing plays in Olive Florent and

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Speaker 4: Did you not going for the blues then someone in

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Speaker 2: No, it's an eighties nineties wog thing. Because I'm Italian,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry for my really bad accent, but that's so lovely.

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Speaker 4: Theananas, like it's like a whole family fruiterer and like

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Speaker 3: He's like, don't mate, you live at near Barkley School.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, mate, and he's like, yeah, my my

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I'm not quite there. I just want

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Speaker 2: Oh the sauce. Oh yeah, yeah we do.

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Speaker 3: I want to make the sauce, and I want to

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Speaker 2: You can come to w a Tony. You can do

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a nice easy trip.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it, Okay, no problem, I'll line it up.

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Speaker 2: My people will talk to yours when you're not filming.

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Speaker 2: Always was tonight. We'll get it going.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Day, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: For taking some time to feed your mind with us today,

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Speaker 2: and you can check out Always Wards tonight this Wednesday

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