1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,914 Speaker 1: You're listening to a mother and mea podcast. 2 00:00:14,914 --> 00:00:15,874 Speaker 2: Hey you bes, it's. 3 00:00:15,754 --> 00:00:19,034 Speaker 3: Molly here from the Beauty Edit bringing you an episode 4 00:00:19,074 --> 00:00:21,994 Speaker 3: of Nothing to Wear. Even though you're a beauty lover, 5 00:00:22,233 --> 00:00:24,274 Speaker 3: you might also be a fashion lover like me. So 6 00:00:24,314 --> 00:00:26,114 Speaker 3: have a listen and let us know what you think. 7 00:00:28,234 --> 00:00:30,994 Speaker 1: Whoever said orange is a new pink with seriously. 8 00:00:30,594 --> 00:00:35,194 Speaker 2: Desyrupy laurels for spraying groundbreaking? Oh my god, you have. 9 00:00:35,114 --> 00:00:35,633 Speaker 4: To do it. 10 00:00:35,674 --> 00:00:36,913 Speaker 2: You live for fashion. 11 00:00:37,994 --> 00:00:40,473 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nothing to Wear, the podcast that 12 00:00:40,553 --> 00:00:44,314 Speaker 1: solves fashion problems and levels up your wardrobe. I'm Tamara Holland, 13 00:00:44,314 --> 00:00:46,513 Speaker 1: and each week we chat about all things style to 14 00:00:46,634 --> 00:00:48,633 Speaker 1: help us get more out of the things we already 15 00:00:48,674 --> 00:00:51,313 Speaker 1: own and decide what is and isn't worth adding to 16 00:00:51,354 --> 00:00:54,914 Speaker 1: our wardrobe. Today, I'm joined by Hailey Cooper. She is 17 00:00:54,994 --> 00:00:57,953 Speaker 1: a personal stylist with over sixteen years of experience in 18 00:00:57,994 --> 00:01:02,394 Speaker 1: the industry in fashion, marketing and styling, and she is 19 00:01:02,434 --> 00:01:05,714 Speaker 1: going to bring some of her hardcore fashion troops to 20 00:01:05,754 --> 00:01:08,594 Speaker 1: help us get dress, to help us address the gaps 21 00:01:08,594 --> 00:01:12,194 Speaker 1: in our wardrobes, but more importantly, know what isn't worth 22 00:01:12,234 --> 00:01:15,194 Speaker 1: buying and what she wouldn't recommend as a stylis. She's 23 00:01:15,194 --> 00:01:17,954 Speaker 1: got some really amazing tips to share, and I'm so 24 00:01:18,074 --> 00:01:20,634 Speaker 1: excited to get into it. So let's welcome Haley to 25 00:01:20,674 --> 00:01:24,034 Speaker 1: the studio. Now, before we get into your style advice, 26 00:01:24,154 --> 00:01:26,274 Speaker 1: can you describe your style in three words? 27 00:01:26,554 --> 00:01:30,354 Speaker 5: Okay, so definitely simple. I am a no fuss, don't 28 00:01:30,354 --> 00:01:32,714 Speaker 5: want to be fussy with anything. Everything needs to move 29 00:01:32,874 --> 00:01:36,953 Speaker 5: with me throughout the day. Jeans, tops, easy, shoes, Okay, 30 00:01:37,034 --> 00:01:39,794 Speaker 5: very easy. I want everything to feel easy as I'm 31 00:01:39,834 --> 00:01:41,154 Speaker 5: getting dressed every morning. 32 00:01:41,794 --> 00:01:42,394 Speaker 2: Feminine. 33 00:01:42,474 --> 00:01:44,794 Speaker 5: Everything that I wear at the moment tends to have 34 00:01:44,874 --> 00:01:47,034 Speaker 5: a really feminine kind of touch to it. It's a 35 00:01:47,074 --> 00:01:48,874 Speaker 5: little bit more flowing as maybe a little bit more 36 00:01:48,914 --> 00:01:49,634 Speaker 5: softer colors. 37 00:01:50,234 --> 00:01:51,914 Speaker 2: I'll definitely still do all black. 38 00:01:51,674 --> 00:01:54,514 Speaker 5: Though, but then with texture, Okay, it's a bit of 39 00:01:54,794 --> 00:01:56,794 Speaker 5: bit of ribbing or a bit of bit of lace 40 00:01:56,914 --> 00:01:59,354 Speaker 5: or a bit of leather sometimes love that. 41 00:01:59,714 --> 00:02:02,074 Speaker 2: And what's your third word? And my third would be 42 00:02:02,314 --> 00:02:03,274 Speaker 2: feelings focused. 43 00:02:03,554 --> 00:02:06,754 Speaker 5: So everything that I choose to wear is always heavily 44 00:02:06,794 --> 00:02:08,994 Speaker 5: drawn by how I want to feel in the actual situation. 45 00:02:09,434 --> 00:02:11,074 Speaker 5: So what my day looks like, what I want to 46 00:02:11,073 --> 00:02:13,194 Speaker 5: feel like when I'm with my kids. Maybe that's more 47 00:02:13,594 --> 00:02:15,954 Speaker 5: kind of fun or playful or a bit more slightly 48 00:02:15,994 --> 00:02:18,714 Speaker 5: more cool, and then maybe when I'm with my friends 49 00:02:18,754 --> 00:02:21,034 Speaker 5: or my partner, maybe it's a little bit more maybe 50 00:02:21,034 --> 00:02:22,314 Speaker 5: it's a little bit more sexy. 51 00:02:22,034 --> 00:02:25,073 Speaker 2: Feminine, a bit more fun and vibrant, feelings focused. 52 00:02:25,354 --> 00:02:27,594 Speaker 1: I love that dressing by mood exactly. 53 00:02:27,674 --> 00:02:28,474 Speaker 2: I love it. 54 00:02:28,674 --> 00:02:31,074 Speaker 1: Let's give everyone a bit of a primer on all things, 55 00:02:31,074 --> 00:02:34,234 Speaker 1: Haley Cooper. You have been in the industry for over 56 00:02:34,314 --> 00:02:36,394 Speaker 1: sixteen years, but tell us how. 57 00:02:36,234 --> 00:02:37,074 Speaker 2: You got your start. 58 00:02:37,314 --> 00:02:41,394 Speaker 5: So I started back in twenty ten, and I had 59 00:02:41,394 --> 00:02:44,394 Speaker 5: studied at FBI Fashion College, a fashion business college here 60 00:02:44,394 --> 00:02:47,794 Speaker 5: in Sydney two years prior to that, and I did 61 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:50,114 Speaker 5: a whole heap of interning, a lot of assisting work 62 00:02:50,354 --> 00:02:53,913 Speaker 5: in magazines and editorial and a lot of TV work 63 00:02:53,954 --> 00:02:56,674 Speaker 5: as well. At that time, personal styling was not what 64 00:02:56,714 --> 00:02:58,754 Speaker 5: it is now. There were not a lot of personal 65 00:02:58,794 --> 00:03:00,234 Speaker 5: stylists around that point. 66 00:03:00,274 --> 00:03:02,474 Speaker 1: It was like the pre social media, all right, So 67 00:03:02,514 --> 00:03:05,034 Speaker 1: you didn't have as many avenues to put yourself out exactly. 68 00:03:05,194 --> 00:03:07,513 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was kind of like just Google if 69 00:03:07,554 --> 00:03:09,594 Speaker 5: that maybe it was like if you had a website, great, 70 00:03:09,634 --> 00:03:13,594 Speaker 5: but yeah, it was such a different time, and so, yeah, 71 00:03:13,634 --> 00:03:16,234 Speaker 5: I started doing a lot of the more fashion focused work, 72 00:03:16,274 --> 00:03:18,634 Speaker 5: but I always loved doing the personal styling, which I 73 00:03:18,634 --> 00:03:21,314 Speaker 5: started kind of on the side in a much more 74 00:03:21,314 --> 00:03:25,674 Speaker 5: smaller capacity. That's where I really loved doing all the things. 75 00:03:26,234 --> 00:03:28,913 Speaker 5: Helping people was the main thing, less about the fashion, 76 00:03:28,954 --> 00:03:30,434 Speaker 5: less about the clothes. It was more like, I want 77 00:03:30,474 --> 00:03:31,834 Speaker 5: to help you, and I want to guide you through 78 00:03:31,874 --> 00:03:33,074 Speaker 5: and get you to feel really good. 79 00:03:33,474 --> 00:03:36,594 Speaker 2: So that's what I wanted from my career. I did 80 00:03:36,634 --> 00:03:36,994 Speaker 2: a lot of. 81 00:03:36,914 --> 00:03:39,794 Speaker 5: Work with shopping centers, workshops and fashion parades. 82 00:03:39,794 --> 00:03:40,914 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember when. 83 00:03:40,794 --> 00:03:44,234 Speaker 1: They were Oh yeah, I remember some time that was 84 00:03:44,914 --> 00:03:46,434 Speaker 1: the shopping center fashion parade. 85 00:03:46,474 --> 00:03:48,154 Speaker 2: Okay, that was great. I loved it. 86 00:03:48,234 --> 00:03:51,554 Speaker 5: I did heaps with Westfield and Stockland and all over Australia. 87 00:03:51,594 --> 00:03:52,874 Speaker 2: Really it was a really really. 88 00:03:52,634 --> 00:03:56,154 Speaker 5: Fun time and so energetic. And what I loved most 89 00:03:56,154 --> 00:03:58,954 Speaker 5: about that was being able to communicate on a wider 90 00:03:58,994 --> 00:04:01,314 Speaker 5: scale because social media wasn't really a thing back then, 91 00:04:01,874 --> 00:04:04,634 Speaker 5: to help people see that fashion is doable and it's 92 00:04:04,674 --> 00:04:06,714 Speaker 5: not a scary thing, and it's not intimidating, and you 93 00:04:06,754 --> 00:04:08,754 Speaker 5: don't have to a fashioned person, and it can be 94 00:04:08,794 --> 00:04:11,914 Speaker 5: fun and enjoyable. And so yeah, did a lot of 95 00:04:11,914 --> 00:04:15,954 Speaker 5: that and then always did personal styling always. Twenty thirteen 96 00:04:16,034 --> 00:04:18,394 Speaker 5: was when it became my full time solely. This is 97 00:04:18,433 --> 00:04:20,554 Speaker 5: what I'm focusing on kind of things. Still did the 98 00:04:20,594 --> 00:04:22,954 Speaker 5: workshops and parades at that time too, but as they 99 00:04:22,954 --> 00:04:25,914 Speaker 5: started to die off, the personal styling increased, and that's 100 00:04:25,914 --> 00:04:27,914 Speaker 5: pretty much what I do all the time now. 101 00:04:28,034 --> 00:04:28,433 Speaker 2: Amazing. 102 00:04:28,513 --> 00:04:32,753 Speaker 1: You take this capsule wardrobe approach when you're building clients' wardrobes. 103 00:04:32,834 --> 00:04:34,514 Speaker 1: Tak me through how you do that? Where do we 104 00:04:34,553 --> 00:04:35,393 Speaker 1: even start with that? 105 00:04:35,594 --> 00:04:38,394 Speaker 5: So it always naturally start with the client, but all 106 00:04:38,433 --> 00:04:41,034 Speaker 5: the details about her, So who is she, does she work, 107 00:04:41,073 --> 00:04:41,753 Speaker 5: does she have kids? 108 00:04:41,753 --> 00:04:42,914 Speaker 2: What does she like? What are her. 109 00:04:42,953 --> 00:04:45,914 Speaker 5: Best moments of her life? And what was it about 110 00:04:45,914 --> 00:04:47,313 Speaker 5: those moments that felt really good? 111 00:04:47,674 --> 00:04:48,433 Speaker 2: What was she wearing? 112 00:04:48,674 --> 00:04:51,193 Speaker 5: All of those little specific details, and can we take 113 00:04:51,234 --> 00:04:53,553 Speaker 5: parts of that and then put that into her wardrobe. 114 00:04:53,553 --> 00:04:55,194 Speaker 5: Now it doesn't have to be a replica of the 115 00:04:55,234 --> 00:04:57,833 Speaker 5: top or the dress that she liked, but taking those 116 00:04:57,873 --> 00:05:00,313 Speaker 5: feelings and those those parts of her and then bringing 117 00:05:00,354 --> 00:05:02,953 Speaker 5: them into her style now is what I really like 118 00:05:02,993 --> 00:05:05,674 Speaker 5: to focus on. So you're really guided by how that 119 00:05:05,714 --> 00:05:08,753 Speaker 5: person feels, which is so you like to dress intuitively 120 00:05:08,794 --> 00:05:10,113 Speaker 5: to how you feel. 121 00:05:09,873 --> 00:05:11,594 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a really good way to describe it. 122 00:05:11,674 --> 00:05:14,154 Speaker 5: Yeah, So we always start with that, and that gives 123 00:05:14,193 --> 00:05:16,313 Speaker 5: us a really clear base of what we're going to 124 00:05:16,354 --> 00:05:16,833 Speaker 5: do together. 125 00:05:17,073 --> 00:05:19,674 Speaker 2: So what are our styling goals? What does your wardrobe 126 00:05:19,714 --> 00:05:20,354 Speaker 2: neing to look like? 127 00:05:20,753 --> 00:05:22,473 Speaker 5: How are we going to get you feeling how you 128 00:05:22,513 --> 00:05:24,073 Speaker 5: want to be feeling in your outfits? 129 00:05:24,513 --> 00:05:26,113 Speaker 2: So that's part one. 130 00:05:26,234 --> 00:05:29,274 Speaker 5: Then we move on into body shapes, proportions, color tones, 131 00:05:29,274 --> 00:05:31,873 Speaker 5: all of those kind of more things that you would 132 00:05:31,914 --> 00:05:35,674 Speaker 5: always expect to cover in a style more technical technical yes, 133 00:05:36,113 --> 00:05:39,073 Speaker 5: And so when we do that, it is heavily about yes, 134 00:05:39,193 --> 00:05:41,673 Speaker 5: these are the kind of the bones of what we're 135 00:05:41,993 --> 00:05:43,834 Speaker 5: looking at. This is your body shape, this is your 136 00:05:43,834 --> 00:05:47,634 Speaker 5: color tone. But we go heavily into her individual proportions. 137 00:05:47,873 --> 00:05:50,234 Speaker 5: So it's where things should be sitting on a shoulder, sing, 138 00:05:50,433 --> 00:05:53,234 Speaker 5: where pant lengths should be falling to and this varies 139 00:05:53,274 --> 00:05:57,113 Speaker 5: depending on different bodies and heights and shapes. Not one 140 00:05:57,113 --> 00:06:00,313 Speaker 5: body is ever naturally the same. Yeah, So with that, 141 00:06:00,313 --> 00:06:02,873 Speaker 5: it's heavily about the individual proportions. And I have a 142 00:06:02,873 --> 00:06:04,993 Speaker 5: little method that I like to talk my clients through 143 00:06:05,034 --> 00:06:07,833 Speaker 5: that is about where those points it's on their body 144 00:06:07,873 --> 00:06:10,914 Speaker 5: are they can always reference to when they're fit checking. So, 145 00:06:11,633 --> 00:06:14,234 Speaker 5: for example, if you were to buy a pair of shorts, 146 00:06:14,553 --> 00:06:16,113 Speaker 5: if you were to stand up and put your hands 147 00:06:16,154 --> 00:06:18,593 Speaker 5: by your side, where your fingertips finish is a pretty 148 00:06:18,594 --> 00:06:20,954 Speaker 5: good indication of where your shortest length should be. 149 00:06:20,993 --> 00:06:23,714 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good hack. Yeah, and your shortest lengths. 150 00:06:23,953 --> 00:06:27,553 Speaker 1: So where your fingertips hit when you stand straight, arms long, yes, okay, 151 00:06:27,674 --> 00:06:30,433 Speaker 1: is where the shortest part of your outfit should be. 152 00:06:30,714 --> 00:06:33,113 Speaker 5: Yeah, or an ideal kind of hemline, because that's where 153 00:06:33,154 --> 00:06:36,354 Speaker 5: your thighs naturally curve inward. So if you're wearing a 154 00:06:36,474 --> 00:06:38,633 Speaker 5: pair of shorts and you put them on and they 155 00:06:38,674 --> 00:06:40,674 Speaker 5: feel all of a sudden way too short, that they 156 00:06:40,714 --> 00:06:43,154 Speaker 5: probably are and probably hitting the widest point of the hips. 157 00:06:43,433 --> 00:06:45,354 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've never thought I know it's going 158 00:06:45,354 --> 00:06:47,513 Speaker 1: to say when they feel too when it's too long? 159 00:06:47,794 --> 00:06:50,873 Speaker 2: Yeah, wrong, yeah, yeah, Then it feels like it's hitting 160 00:06:50,873 --> 00:06:51,193 Speaker 2: the knee. 161 00:06:51,193 --> 00:06:54,154 Speaker 5: It's creating horizontal line at your knee, which no one 162 00:06:54,193 --> 00:06:55,193 Speaker 5: really ever loves it needs. 163 00:06:55,234 --> 00:06:56,993 Speaker 1: So I want to do something a bit different today. 164 00:06:56,993 --> 00:07:00,273 Speaker 1: We're gonna rather than focusing on what to buy, you're 165 00:07:00,313 --> 00:07:02,433 Speaker 1: going to guide us a bit on the six things 166 00:07:02,594 --> 00:07:06,273 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't let a client shop for. So let's 167 00:07:06,274 --> 00:07:09,713 Speaker 1: start off with the first thing that you, as a stylist, 168 00:07:09,754 --> 00:07:11,314 Speaker 1: would not recommend we be buying. 169 00:07:11,674 --> 00:07:13,474 Speaker 5: So the first thing, and I've got some notes on 170 00:07:13,514 --> 00:07:16,354 Speaker 5: my phone because they're quite they're quite extensive. 171 00:07:16,474 --> 00:07:19,194 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's get let's get into it. 172 00:07:19,474 --> 00:07:22,114 Speaker 5: So the first thing would be, I'd never recommend purchasing 173 00:07:22,154 --> 00:07:24,674 Speaker 5: items just because they're meant to fit your body shape. 174 00:07:24,754 --> 00:07:25,754 Speaker 2: So this goes from. 175 00:07:25,714 --> 00:07:27,954 Speaker 5: All of the free guides you've probably found about body 176 00:07:27,953 --> 00:07:29,634 Speaker 5: shapes and color tones and this is what you should 177 00:07:29,674 --> 00:07:32,233 Speaker 5: be doing. All of that sort of stuff is great 178 00:07:32,274 --> 00:07:34,834 Speaker 5: information to begin with, and it's a really useful starting 179 00:07:34,874 --> 00:07:36,994 Speaker 5: point for most people, especially when they're at a point 180 00:07:36,994 --> 00:07:39,754 Speaker 5: where they actually don't know anything to like, what do 181 00:07:39,794 --> 00:07:41,514 Speaker 5: they do? Where do they start? That's always a nice 182 00:07:41,514 --> 00:07:44,393 Speaker 5: starting point. But the thing that I normally find is 183 00:07:44,393 --> 00:07:46,674 Speaker 5: that when people take that information and then they go 184 00:07:46,754 --> 00:07:48,434 Speaker 5: to the shops and they try on the things that 185 00:07:48,474 --> 00:07:51,314 Speaker 5: should be working for their body shape, they actually don't. 186 00:07:51,594 --> 00:07:54,153 Speaker 5: And that's because their individual proportions and their their style, 187 00:07:54,194 --> 00:07:56,554 Speaker 5: personality and their lifestyle isn't really factor. 188 00:07:56,634 --> 00:07:58,794 Speaker 1: There's no Skuycutter approach exactly. 189 00:07:59,154 --> 00:08:01,434 Speaker 5: So they might get into a change room and they're 190 00:08:01,474 --> 00:08:03,754 Speaker 5: trying on the A line skirt, which should absolutely work 191 00:08:03,754 --> 00:08:05,634 Speaker 5: for their shape, and then they go, oh, it doesn't 192 00:08:05,634 --> 00:08:07,514 Speaker 5: feel right, it doesn't look right. I don't like it, 193 00:08:07,834 --> 00:08:10,034 Speaker 5: and they feel like their body is the problem, or 194 00:08:10,074 --> 00:08:12,554 Speaker 5: they feel like there's nothing out there for them, and 195 00:08:12,554 --> 00:08:16,353 Speaker 5: that's not the reality at all. It's really the education 196 00:08:16,474 --> 00:08:19,354 Speaker 5: around dressing for their individual proportions and then merging that 197 00:08:19,474 --> 00:08:22,033 Speaker 5: with their personality and how they want to feel just 198 00:08:22,074 --> 00:08:23,474 Speaker 5: hasn't been found yet. 199 00:08:23,754 --> 00:08:26,834 Speaker 1: Okay, So don't buy things that you think should fit 200 00:08:26,994 --> 00:08:31,194 Speaker 1: your proportions just based on like outdated kind of notions 201 00:08:31,234 --> 00:08:33,713 Speaker 1: around body shapes, and because I feel like there was 202 00:08:33,754 --> 00:08:37,954 Speaker 1: a very prescriptive sort of you know, guide to women's 203 00:08:37,953 --> 00:08:40,714 Speaker 1: body shapes that we've sort of hung our hat on 204 00:08:40,834 --> 00:08:44,154 Speaker 1: for decades now. It's like the apples and pears and 205 00:08:44,194 --> 00:08:47,314 Speaker 1: those sort of fruit cliches. Right, not to say that 206 00:08:47,354 --> 00:08:49,834 Speaker 1: those don't have their place, like you said, but if 207 00:08:49,874 --> 00:08:51,994 Speaker 1: you're very stringent about it and you really just think 208 00:08:51,994 --> 00:08:53,914 Speaker 1: of yourself as one shape, then how can you ever 209 00:08:53,954 --> 00:08:56,474 Speaker 1: find like other things that suit you right? 210 00:08:56,554 --> 00:08:56,994 Speaker 2: Exactly? 211 00:08:57,154 --> 00:08:59,914 Speaker 1: Is there a review approached body shapes? Like has that 212 00:09:00,074 --> 00:09:02,314 Speaker 1: fruit thing gone? And have we tried something, have we 213 00:09:02,354 --> 00:09:03,074 Speaker 1: got something new? 214 00:09:03,474 --> 00:09:05,474 Speaker 5: I think that's still there. I still use shapes with 215 00:09:05,514 --> 00:09:08,034 Speaker 5: my clients, so I still definitely do. We're a triangle 216 00:09:08,034 --> 00:09:10,274 Speaker 5: body shape, but maybe you cross over with an hourglass, 217 00:09:10,274 --> 00:09:13,154 Speaker 5: which is really common, or maybe you're an apple body shape, 218 00:09:13,154 --> 00:09:15,634 Speaker 5: but maybe you do have a little bit more volume 219 00:09:15,674 --> 00:09:19,154 Speaker 5: in your legs. It's looking at those individual points, but 220 00:09:19,194 --> 00:09:21,794 Speaker 5: it's mainly about those reference points which I go through 221 00:09:21,794 --> 00:09:23,834 Speaker 5: with my clients on what parts of their body shape 222 00:09:23,834 --> 00:09:26,194 Speaker 5: are we're looking at to make sure proportions of outfits 223 00:09:26,194 --> 00:09:27,154 Speaker 5: are fitting. 224 00:09:27,434 --> 00:09:30,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, minimizing certain things and making the most of 225 00:09:30,154 --> 00:09:30,634 Speaker 1: other things. 226 00:09:30,674 --> 00:09:35,474 Speaker 2: Yeah, and whatnot? Illusion? Really? Yeah, I describe it. 227 00:09:35,594 --> 00:09:38,353 Speaker 1: Okay, what's the next thing that you wouldn't be recommending 228 00:09:38,394 --> 00:09:38,954 Speaker 1: that we buy? 229 00:09:39,434 --> 00:09:43,354 Speaker 5: So trend based fashion is a big one for clients. 230 00:09:44,074 --> 00:09:46,634 Speaker 1: We are a fashion show talk a lot about trends. 231 00:09:46,634 --> 00:09:48,794 Speaker 1: But I have to say, like, I'm intrigued with this 232 00:09:49,074 --> 00:09:51,914 Speaker 1: because as a stylist, you're obviously very cross trends. But 233 00:09:52,674 --> 00:09:54,754 Speaker 1: when you say trend based items, like what are we 234 00:09:54,794 --> 00:09:56,194 Speaker 1: avoiding so we need to avoid? 235 00:09:56,314 --> 00:09:58,794 Speaker 5: It's less about the items themselves, more about the concept 236 00:09:58,794 --> 00:10:00,754 Speaker 5: of feeling like you need to keep up. A lot 237 00:10:00,794 --> 00:10:02,354 Speaker 5: of clients come to me and they say, I feel 238 00:10:02,394 --> 00:10:06,554 Speaker 5: like I'm outdated, that I don't have cool clothes, I'm 239 00:10:06,594 --> 00:10:08,434 Speaker 5: not feeling I'm not feeling relevant anymore. 240 00:10:08,474 --> 00:10:09,674 Speaker 2: That's kind of where it comes from. 241 00:10:10,074 --> 00:10:12,474 Speaker 5: And with those clients, a lot of the time they're 242 00:10:12,594 --> 00:10:15,874 Speaker 5: absorbing whatever fashion content they can find online, and it's 243 00:10:15,874 --> 00:10:18,154 Speaker 5: whatever pops up on their feet, and that's that's totally okay. 244 00:10:18,154 --> 00:10:21,354 Speaker 5: It's a good starting point, but then they can't relate 245 00:10:21,434 --> 00:10:24,554 Speaker 5: that to their body, their lifestyle and how they want 246 00:10:24,594 --> 00:10:26,314 Speaker 5: to feel. So it's kind of always referring back to 247 00:10:26,354 --> 00:10:28,554 Speaker 5: those three points, and a lot of the time they'll 248 00:10:28,594 --> 00:10:31,994 Speaker 5: be buying into influence of fashion or they're buying into 249 00:10:32,034 --> 00:10:34,554 Speaker 5: what someone else is wearing, which is okay. 250 00:10:34,794 --> 00:10:35,314 Speaker 2: Initially. 251 00:10:35,754 --> 00:10:38,834 Speaker 5: It can give you that kind of experimentation, and I 252 00:10:38,874 --> 00:10:41,394 Speaker 5: do think trend is great for evolving your style. I 253 00:10:41,394 --> 00:10:44,434 Speaker 5: think that's really useful and that's kind of needed. But 254 00:10:44,514 --> 00:10:46,434 Speaker 5: then it's when you kind of go, okay, well, this 255 00:10:46,514 --> 00:10:48,794 Speaker 5: retailer is doing this this season, I'm going to buy. 256 00:10:48,594 --> 00:10:49,274 Speaker 2: The whole outfit. 257 00:10:49,474 --> 00:10:51,154 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then all of a sudden it feels weird 258 00:10:51,154 --> 00:10:53,474 Speaker 5: and they feel uncomfortable and a lot of the time 259 00:10:53,474 --> 00:10:55,154 Speaker 5: they can start to feel like they're kind of not 260 00:10:55,234 --> 00:10:57,114 Speaker 5: cool enough, or they pull it off. 261 00:10:57,234 --> 00:11:00,314 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, because I think a lot of the 262 00:11:00,434 --> 00:11:03,634 Speaker 1: inspiration that we're getting served, because that's what it is, 263 00:11:03,674 --> 00:11:06,274 Speaker 1: whether you opt in or not, you're getting served fashion inspiration. 264 00:11:06,314 --> 00:11:08,834 Speaker 1: If you're like a fashion consumer and someone who seeks 265 00:11:08,834 --> 00:11:10,674 Speaker 1: out that kind of content on your phone, A lot 266 00:11:10,674 --> 00:11:13,434 Speaker 1: of what you're getting served is like the very experimental 267 00:11:13,514 --> 00:11:16,274 Speaker 1: or like the very sort of refined version of that 268 00:11:16,274 --> 00:11:18,834 Speaker 1: that someone else is wearing in some other environment, in 269 00:11:18,874 --> 00:11:22,194 Speaker 1: some other country, where yeah, they look super cool in 270 00:11:22,194 --> 00:11:24,354 Speaker 1: that outfit, but like it's not realistic for your lifestyle, 271 00:11:24,434 --> 00:11:25,994 Speaker 1: or it's not a shape that you'd wear, it's not 272 00:11:26,034 --> 00:11:28,874 Speaker 1: a trend that you wear. But then it's reinforced over 273 00:11:28,914 --> 00:11:30,754 Speaker 1: and over, like the more you it's the nature of 274 00:11:30,754 --> 00:11:33,634 Speaker 1: the algorithm, right, the more you're served that microskirt or 275 00:11:33,634 --> 00:11:37,114 Speaker 1: that you know, specific shape of blouse or whatever, the 276 00:11:37,154 --> 00:11:38,754 Speaker 1: more you see it and then you feel like you 277 00:11:38,874 --> 00:11:42,234 Speaker 1: need it. How do we train ourselves maybe to opt 278 00:11:42,274 --> 00:11:44,594 Speaker 1: out of thinking we need things we don't and focus 279 00:11:44,634 --> 00:11:45,674 Speaker 1: on the things that we do. 280 00:11:46,074 --> 00:11:47,994 Speaker 5: So I think that comes down to knowing what your 281 00:11:47,994 --> 00:11:50,594 Speaker 5: lifestyle gaps are Yeah, where you're struggling to get dressed. 282 00:11:50,634 --> 00:11:51,674 Speaker 2: Is it for work in the morning. 283 00:11:51,714 --> 00:11:54,034 Speaker 5: Are you feeling like you're really missing a particular item 284 00:11:54,154 --> 00:11:57,394 Speaker 5: you can't put things together because that particular items not like. 285 00:11:57,354 --> 00:12:00,234 Speaker 1: A lench pin, like a blazer or a gene or something. 286 00:12:00,314 --> 00:12:00,634 Speaker 2: Yeah. 287 00:12:00,674 --> 00:12:03,154 Speaker 5: So if we go with say Taylor black pants, for example, 288 00:12:03,394 --> 00:12:06,514 Speaker 5: ten years ago, they were more skinny leg fitted mid 289 00:12:06,554 --> 00:12:09,634 Speaker 5: to maybe rise kind of options, and now we see 290 00:12:09,674 --> 00:12:12,354 Speaker 5: these wider leg, flowy options, which is great, and that's 291 00:12:12,434 --> 00:12:15,994 Speaker 5: more not trend driven, more current. Yeah, less trend driven, 292 00:12:16,034 --> 00:12:19,074 Speaker 5: more current fashion, and that's a great replacement for those 293 00:12:19,194 --> 00:12:22,994 Speaker 5: old fitted, midrise skinny leg pants that you used to wear. 294 00:12:23,474 --> 00:12:26,994 Speaker 1: True, I'm thinking late in my mind's eye. Now, you're right, 295 00:12:27,074 --> 00:12:30,114 Speaker 1: it is like that looser slack pant that just feels 296 00:12:30,154 --> 00:12:32,794 Speaker 1: more current to your point, but you're not necessarily buying 297 00:12:33,034 --> 00:12:35,194 Speaker 1: a capri pant because that's the trend that all the. 298 00:12:35,114 --> 00:12:36,874 Speaker 2: Girl is a wearing, right Exactly. 299 00:12:36,954 --> 00:12:39,714 Speaker 1: It's like understanding that you can be updated in your 300 00:12:39,714 --> 00:12:42,394 Speaker 1: style without being like a slave to what's new, because 301 00:12:42,394 --> 00:12:44,354 Speaker 1: I feel like I often see, like even me as 302 00:12:44,394 --> 00:12:47,834 Speaker 1: a fashion journalist and a content creator, like capri pants 303 00:12:47,834 --> 00:12:49,834 Speaker 1: are just not for me, they're not for my body. 304 00:12:50,234 --> 00:12:52,434 Speaker 1: But the more that you see it, the more you 305 00:12:52,474 --> 00:12:54,674 Speaker 1: start to think, oh, I need to try it. 306 00:12:54,994 --> 00:12:58,034 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. A stylist. 307 00:12:58,114 --> 00:13:00,274 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's things that I go, Okay, well, maybe I 308 00:13:00,274 --> 00:13:01,714 Speaker 5: should be starting to wear a bit more of this, 309 00:13:01,834 --> 00:13:03,474 Speaker 5: and then I think that's just not me and it 310 00:13:03,474 --> 00:13:03,994 Speaker 5: feels weird. 311 00:13:04,034 --> 00:13:05,274 Speaker 2: So I'm going to I'm not going to try and 312 00:13:05,314 --> 00:13:06,274 Speaker 2: explore that one. 313 00:13:06,394 --> 00:13:08,554 Speaker 5: But then there's other things that I see that I'm like, Okay, 314 00:13:08,634 --> 00:13:10,834 Speaker 5: wide leg jeans when they started to come around years 315 00:13:10,834 --> 00:13:13,794 Speaker 5: ago now, or birkenstocks or chunky sandals, or when they 316 00:13:13,834 --> 00:13:16,114 Speaker 5: had their moment where they sort of came in and 317 00:13:16,154 --> 00:13:19,394 Speaker 5: they were new, but then they stuck around and I 318 00:13:19,474 --> 00:13:21,314 Speaker 5: was like, okay, cool, I can see this a little bit. 319 00:13:22,874 --> 00:13:26,794 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So if it resonates with you, wear it, Yeah, 320 00:13:26,994 --> 00:13:29,194 Speaker 1: try it experiment. But if it's not for you, like 321 00:13:29,274 --> 00:13:31,754 Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds so obvious, but sometimes it's hard 322 00:13:31,794 --> 00:13:33,594 Speaker 1: to like keep that in mind. 323 00:13:33,794 --> 00:13:35,314 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like you're missing out. 324 00:13:35,354 --> 00:13:36,994 Speaker 5: It's where we get stuck in that kind of weird 325 00:13:37,034 --> 00:13:40,354 Speaker 5: loop of comparison or kind of keeping up with everyone. 326 00:13:40,394 --> 00:13:41,714 Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, sort of. 327 00:13:50,754 --> 00:13:53,074 Speaker 1: Took me through the next thing. Okay, you wouldn't recommend 328 00:13:53,074 --> 00:13:53,434 Speaker 1: we buy. 329 00:13:53,674 --> 00:13:56,954 Speaker 5: The next thing that I wouldn't recommend would be outfits 330 00:13:56,994 --> 00:14:00,274 Speaker 5: that fall into the expectation of other people. So if 331 00:14:00,314 --> 00:14:02,514 Speaker 5: you're you know, when you might text a friend and 332 00:14:02,554 --> 00:14:04,114 Speaker 5: you're like, Hey, what are you wearing to whatever the 333 00:14:04,154 --> 00:14:07,594 Speaker 5: event is? And oftentimes I feel like that that's not 334 00:14:07,754 --> 00:14:10,953 Speaker 5: actually yeah, you might be curious, but you might also 335 00:14:10,994 --> 00:14:12,754 Speaker 5: be going what are you going to wear? So that 336 00:14:12,794 --> 00:14:14,554 Speaker 5: I can wear something similar and I feel safe in 337 00:14:14,554 --> 00:14:16,594 Speaker 5: that environment and I don't feel judged or out of 338 00:14:16,594 --> 00:14:17,914 Speaker 5: place or socially awkward. 339 00:14:18,434 --> 00:14:19,194 Speaker 2: That's a big thing. 340 00:14:19,234 --> 00:14:22,274 Speaker 5: A lot of clients actually don't want to go places 341 00:14:22,314 --> 00:14:25,274 Speaker 5: socially because they don't know what to wear, and they 342 00:14:25,274 --> 00:14:27,394 Speaker 5: feel like whatever they wear isn't going to be good enough. 343 00:14:27,474 --> 00:14:30,434 Speaker 1: It's a limitation that's stopping them from getting out there. 344 00:14:30,474 --> 00:14:32,154 Speaker 1: That is so true, because if you feel like you 345 00:14:32,154 --> 00:14:34,674 Speaker 1: don't have the clothes to like represent yourself or to 346 00:14:34,674 --> 00:14:37,394 Speaker 1: fit in with that particular event, you might actually stop 347 00:14:37,394 --> 00:14:39,674 Speaker 1: yourself from or psych yourself out from going. 348 00:14:39,874 --> 00:14:42,794 Speaker 5: Yeah, and how boring and shating and really sad. So 349 00:14:43,074 --> 00:14:45,554 Speaker 5: we don't want that, We want to go with the 350 00:14:45,594 --> 00:14:47,594 Speaker 5: things that we want to be wearing, so that kind 351 00:14:47,594 --> 00:14:50,754 Speaker 5: of comes back to that feeling focused dressing of what 352 00:14:50,794 --> 00:14:52,514 Speaker 5: do I want to feel like in the situation that 353 00:14:52,514 --> 00:14:56,154 Speaker 5: I'm going to and having the courage and the confidence 354 00:14:56,194 --> 00:14:59,154 Speaker 5: to do that rather than going Okay, well I want 355 00:14:59,154 --> 00:15:00,994 Speaker 5: to wear this, that I'm not going to wear this 356 00:15:01,074 --> 00:15:03,434 Speaker 5: because this person might judge me, or this person might 357 00:15:03,514 --> 00:15:05,514 Speaker 5: question what I'm wearing. It's like when you get those 358 00:15:05,514 --> 00:15:07,754 Speaker 5: comments like, oh, where are you going? So dressed up? 359 00:15:07,914 --> 00:15:11,034 Speaker 2: Oh? Who would wear heels to that? That's so just 360 00:15:11,114 --> 00:15:11,874 Speaker 2: go on to yea. 361 00:15:13,034 --> 00:15:14,994 Speaker 1: But how do we get out of our own way 362 00:15:15,074 --> 00:15:16,194 Speaker 1: with that kind of thinking? 363 00:15:16,434 --> 00:15:19,434 Speaker 5: I honestly think it comes with doing it. You literally 364 00:15:19,514 --> 00:15:22,874 Speaker 5: just have to otherwise you just feel limited forever and 365 00:15:22,874 --> 00:15:25,674 Speaker 5: that's so boring. Yeah, And I think once you do 366 00:15:25,754 --> 00:15:28,034 Speaker 5: whatever it is that you're telling yourself that you can't, So, 367 00:15:28,074 --> 00:15:31,594 Speaker 5: whether that's wearing heels to a pub, that's okay, you can. 368 00:15:32,234 --> 00:15:34,874 Speaker 2: And then you do that and you go okay, well, 369 00:15:34,914 --> 00:15:37,314 Speaker 2: actually got compliments. Yeah, felt good, feel good. 370 00:15:37,314 --> 00:15:40,154 Speaker 5: I do it again, yes, And then it's the opposite 371 00:15:40,234 --> 00:15:41,794 Speaker 5: if you do and you feel weird and you just 372 00:15:41,834 --> 00:15:43,194 Speaker 5: don't do it again, that's okay. 373 00:15:43,314 --> 00:15:45,514 Speaker 1: I have a like example of this from my own 374 00:15:45,554 --> 00:15:49,194 Speaker 1: life like living in a small coastal town and being 375 00:15:49,234 --> 00:15:51,474 Speaker 1: someone who loves fashion, I often feel like I really 376 00:15:51,474 --> 00:15:53,794 Speaker 1: have to downplay my style to kind of fit in 377 00:15:53,834 --> 00:15:57,354 Speaker 1: with the relaxed sort of style ethoss of the people 378 00:15:57,354 --> 00:15:59,194 Speaker 1: around me. But when I go out or when i'm 379 00:15:59,234 --> 00:16:01,834 Speaker 1: doing something like even though I'm a mum and even 380 00:16:01,874 --> 00:16:04,394 Speaker 1: though I'm like I am chill and relaxed and I 381 00:16:04,474 --> 00:16:05,994 Speaker 1: live by the beach, like, I still want to play 382 00:16:05,994 --> 00:16:08,634 Speaker 1: with fashion, and it does sometimes hold me back. Like 383 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:10,994 Speaker 1: there's times when like I'll go to our local pub 384 00:16:11,034 --> 00:16:12,474 Speaker 1: and I just want to wear something a bit more 385 00:16:12,474 --> 00:16:15,074 Speaker 1: fabulous to feel good about myself. But then there's that 386 00:16:15,114 --> 00:16:17,434 Speaker 1: little voice that stops me, that goes, that's too much, 387 00:16:17,514 --> 00:16:20,274 Speaker 1: that's too extra, like take the heels off, or you know, 388 00:16:20,354 --> 00:16:22,434 Speaker 1: don't have that bag, And it's like, you're right, it 389 00:16:22,514 --> 00:16:25,234 Speaker 1: is limiting. But it's a reality that we face as women, 390 00:16:25,314 --> 00:16:27,834 Speaker 1: isn't it that we compare ourselves to others and like 391 00:16:27,874 --> 00:16:30,234 Speaker 1: I said, get in our own way. Yeah, something I'm 392 00:16:30,234 --> 00:16:32,954 Speaker 1: trying to do, trying to express myself a bit more 393 00:16:32,994 --> 00:16:35,234 Speaker 1: this year, even in the place that I live that 394 00:16:35,274 --> 00:16:38,714 Speaker 1: does have this sort of like really relaxed you know, Starlythos, 395 00:16:38,754 --> 00:16:42,554 Speaker 1: but let myself be more have more fun with my outfits. 396 00:16:42,554 --> 00:16:43,954 Speaker 1: I think that's something we can all try to do 397 00:16:44,034 --> 00:16:44,394 Speaker 1: more of. 398 00:16:44,794 --> 00:16:45,514 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. 399 00:16:45,554 --> 00:16:47,914 Speaker 5: Too, And that's exactly what clients kind of come to 400 00:16:47,954 --> 00:16:50,154 Speaker 5: me with that exact same feeling, and I can relate 401 00:16:50,154 --> 00:16:50,474 Speaker 5: to that too. 402 00:16:50,554 --> 00:16:51,634 Speaker 2: I live in southwest Sydney. 403 00:16:51,954 --> 00:16:54,834 Speaker 5: It's not necessarily a fancy area or a dressy area. 404 00:16:55,554 --> 00:16:59,194 Speaker 5: We live literally amongst farmyards. So yeah, so yeah, i 405 00:16:59,234 --> 00:17:00,794 Speaker 5: always do feel that little bit more addressed. 406 00:17:00,834 --> 00:17:02,674 Speaker 2: But I'm okay with that. Yeah, you just practice and 407 00:17:02,674 --> 00:17:03,394 Speaker 2: we do it anyway. 408 00:17:03,554 --> 00:17:05,553 Speaker 1: Like you said, just do it and see how you feel. 409 00:17:05,754 --> 00:17:07,874 Speaker 2: Sounds so simple, it does. 410 00:17:08,114 --> 00:17:10,874 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, talk to me about the next 411 00:17:10,914 --> 00:17:12,234 Speaker 1: thing that we shouldn't be buying. 412 00:17:12,394 --> 00:17:15,194 Speaker 5: The next would be things that are items that fell 413 00:17:15,274 --> 00:17:18,954 Speaker 5: lifestyle gaps that you don't actually have. So this could be, 414 00:17:19,914 --> 00:17:23,593 Speaker 5: for example, a white shirt if you are not at 415 00:17:23,594 --> 00:17:25,674 Speaker 5: a stage of life where that is a practical. 416 00:17:25,234 --> 00:17:25,634 Speaker 2: Thing for you. 417 00:17:25,874 --> 00:17:28,394 Speaker 5: If you're kind of finding it hard to wear anything 418 00:17:28,394 --> 00:17:30,154 Speaker 5: other than jeans with a white shirt. 419 00:17:30,114 --> 00:17:31,434 Speaker 2: You probably don't need it. 420 00:17:31,434 --> 00:17:35,434 Speaker 5: It's also that example of after having a baby, those 421 00:17:35,674 --> 00:17:39,954 Speaker 5: early postpartum months that mum probably doesn't need a good 422 00:17:39,994 --> 00:17:42,274 Speaker 5: pair of jeans. Yet she's probably at the stage where 423 00:17:42,274 --> 00:17:44,914 Speaker 5: she just needs to get out of the hospital level 424 00:17:44,994 --> 00:17:47,034 Speaker 5: tracksuit pants that she's been in. Yeah, she just needs 425 00:17:47,034 --> 00:17:48,874 Speaker 5: to feel that little bit better. So maybe that's a 426 00:17:48,874 --> 00:17:51,274 Speaker 5: pair of really nice af leisure tights. 427 00:17:51,354 --> 00:17:54,634 Speaker 1: That's okay, girl, You need elastic wast Yeah at that stage, 428 00:17:54,674 --> 00:17:56,674 Speaker 1: like you, no one is getting down on the floor 429 00:17:56,714 --> 00:17:59,674 Speaker 1: with a baby in like tightly fitted jeans exactly. Feel 430 00:17:59,674 --> 00:18:01,353 Speaker 1: like they were the first things to go when I 431 00:18:01,354 --> 00:18:03,434 Speaker 1: had a baby, and like ever since then, I've really 432 00:18:03,434 --> 00:18:06,114 Speaker 1: found it hard to wear jeans again. Yeah, unless i'm 433 00:18:06,154 --> 00:18:08,313 Speaker 1: really like I'm going and I'm like I'm dressing up 434 00:18:08,314 --> 00:18:10,994 Speaker 1: these genes. It's elastic waist pants all the way. But 435 00:18:11,034 --> 00:18:13,994 Speaker 1: it's like cool trackies with the side stripe where it's 436 00:18:13,994 --> 00:18:15,954 Speaker 1: like my knit pants that I live in every day 437 00:18:15,954 --> 00:18:18,074 Speaker 1: that they're still comfortable, but they still feel that little 438 00:18:18,074 --> 00:18:20,514 Speaker 1: bit more polished for every day wear exactly. 439 00:18:20,554 --> 00:18:21,994 Speaker 2: And there's so many options now too. 440 00:18:22,074 --> 00:18:24,313 Speaker 5: I think there's so many things available to us that 441 00:18:24,314 --> 00:18:26,834 Speaker 5: we didn't have available a few years ago, and it's 442 00:18:26,874 --> 00:18:29,234 Speaker 5: a really nice way to start to wear things that 443 00:18:29,314 --> 00:18:31,914 Speaker 5: are different to what we're normally kind of reverting to. 444 00:18:32,514 --> 00:18:34,554 Speaker 5: But it gives more people options of things that are 445 00:18:34,554 --> 00:18:36,634 Speaker 5: not just DNIM that they can do in fun ways 446 00:18:36,634 --> 00:18:38,594 Speaker 5: that feel stylish, and they still feel like they're getting 447 00:18:38,594 --> 00:18:39,834 Speaker 5: that sense of identity back. 448 00:18:39,954 --> 00:18:41,914 Speaker 2: Yeah, you said the white shirt. 449 00:18:42,114 --> 00:18:43,834 Speaker 1: You reference the white shirt, and I think that's such 450 00:18:43,834 --> 00:18:47,074 Speaker 1: a good one to reference because when we talk about 451 00:18:47,114 --> 00:18:49,314 Speaker 1: capsule wardrobes, and I know that's like a core tenet 452 00:18:49,354 --> 00:18:52,234 Speaker 1: of what you provide your clients with, like their capsule, right, yeah, 453 00:18:52,234 --> 00:18:56,273 Speaker 1: for them, and that's important, But like the white shirt 454 00:18:56,314 --> 00:19:00,234 Speaker 1: is one of those standard prescribed items for your capsule wardrobe, 455 00:19:00,234 --> 00:19:01,874 Speaker 1: and it's like, I have no where to wear a 456 00:19:02,074 --> 00:19:05,354 Speaker 1: white shirt realistically, and sometimes that shouldn't be in. 457 00:19:05,274 --> 00:19:08,674 Speaker 2: My capsule exactly. Yeah, would you replace it with? So 458 00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:10,874 Speaker 2: I would. I'll use myself as an example. 459 00:19:10,954 --> 00:19:13,394 Speaker 5: Yeah, I always have a white top of some extent 460 00:19:13,514 --> 00:19:16,114 Speaker 5: in my wardrobe at all times, for every single season. 461 00:19:16,474 --> 00:19:19,714 Speaker 5: But at the moment, it's a white off the shoulder bodysuit, 462 00:19:19,794 --> 00:19:20,434 Speaker 5: which I love. 463 00:19:20,594 --> 00:19:21,354 Speaker 2: I love that so much. 464 00:19:21,394 --> 00:19:22,994 Speaker 5: It's got no sleeves, but I can wear a blazer 465 00:19:23,034 --> 00:19:24,394 Speaker 5: in winter, so I can wear it most months of 466 00:19:24,394 --> 00:19:26,794 Speaker 5: the year, and that feels much more me than a 467 00:19:26,834 --> 00:19:28,674 Speaker 5: white shirt. And I'll wear it in the exact same 468 00:19:28,714 --> 00:19:31,434 Speaker 5: way as what one would probably wear a white. 469 00:19:31,234 --> 00:19:31,994 Speaker 2: Style a shirt with. 470 00:19:32,314 --> 00:19:34,634 Speaker 1: So it's finding the like the spin on it where 471 00:19:34,634 --> 00:19:38,634 Speaker 1: you're still getting like the effect of the maybe the 472 00:19:38,674 --> 00:19:44,274 Speaker 1: style or the color, but not necessarily the prescriptive piece itself. 473 00:19:44,394 --> 00:19:46,434 Speaker 5: Yeah, you kind of want the ease of that piece 474 00:19:46,834 --> 00:19:49,874 Speaker 5: and the wear ability and the interchangeable kind of aspect 475 00:19:50,274 --> 00:19:51,954 Speaker 5: that should all still be there, but it doesn't have 476 00:19:51,994 --> 00:19:52,194 Speaker 5: to be. 477 00:19:52,274 --> 00:19:54,714 Speaker 1: Yeah, the white specifically, that could be like a little 478 00:19:54,794 --> 00:19:58,074 Speaker 1: nipolo in white or something that still has a collar. Yeah, Okay, 479 00:19:58,074 --> 00:19:59,714 Speaker 1: I think I'm yetting it. I'm picking up what you're 480 00:19:59,714 --> 00:20:02,594 Speaker 1: putting down. Okay, any more points for us? Anything else 481 00:20:02,594 --> 00:20:03,474 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be buying. 482 00:20:04,074 --> 00:20:07,033 Speaker 5: Other things would be items that make you feel like 483 00:20:07,194 --> 00:20:10,434 Speaker 5: your body needs to change. So a lot of clients 484 00:20:10,474 --> 00:20:12,634 Speaker 5: feel that things don't fit them or don't suit them, 485 00:20:12,714 --> 00:20:15,114 Speaker 5: and that there's something out there for every other body 486 00:20:15,194 --> 00:20:18,394 Speaker 5: in the world except theirs, And I get that. It 487 00:20:18,434 --> 00:20:20,354 Speaker 5: can be really disheartening when you're in the Chaine room 488 00:20:20,394 --> 00:20:22,794 Speaker 5: and you try on like eleven things in one shop 489 00:20:22,834 --> 00:20:24,874 Speaker 5: and you leave with nothing, or maybe you go for 490 00:20:24,994 --> 00:20:27,874 Speaker 5: one or two of the maybe half there maybe it's 491 00:20:27,954 --> 00:20:31,914 Speaker 5: okay sort of pieces, and then it feels like your 492 00:20:31,954 --> 00:20:33,874 Speaker 5: size needs to be different, or your body shape needs 493 00:20:33,914 --> 00:20:35,593 Speaker 5: to be different, or your legs need to be longer, 494 00:20:35,954 --> 00:20:37,914 Speaker 5: or you need to have less veins on your legs, 495 00:20:37,954 --> 00:20:40,194 Speaker 5: or your arms need to have less skin on them. 496 00:20:40,434 --> 00:20:42,914 Speaker 5: It's all of those sorts of things that we get 497 00:20:42,994 --> 00:20:44,674 Speaker 5: stuck in and then we just revert to the same 498 00:20:44,714 --> 00:20:48,314 Speaker 5: safe thing all the time. It's also going with that point, 499 00:20:48,754 --> 00:20:52,154 Speaker 5: anything that you need to buy shapewear to wear probably 500 00:20:52,194 --> 00:20:53,794 Speaker 5: isn't a great point for you to buy. 501 00:20:54,114 --> 00:20:55,994 Speaker 1: So okay, a piece for you to buy, talk to 502 00:20:55,994 --> 00:20:56,714 Speaker 1: me more about that. 503 00:20:56,834 --> 00:20:59,794 Speaker 5: So this is when someone might put on a dress, 504 00:20:59,794 --> 00:21:02,114 Speaker 5: for example, and they say, yeah, I love it, but 505 00:21:02,154 --> 00:21:03,634 Speaker 5: I feel like I need to wear shape wey with this, 506 00:21:03,914 --> 00:21:06,834 Speaker 5: and they're okay with getting shapewear to wear with that dress. 507 00:21:07,194 --> 00:21:08,553 Speaker 5: But then I would kind of think, well, no, we 508 00:21:08,594 --> 00:21:10,394 Speaker 5: need something with a bit more structure in the fabric, 509 00:21:10,554 --> 00:21:12,714 Speaker 5: we need something that fits the waist a little bit differently, 510 00:21:13,234 --> 00:21:15,034 Speaker 5: or we need to make this easy for you, because 511 00:21:15,074 --> 00:21:16,994 Speaker 5: if you need to wear shapewear with this, you're not 512 00:21:17,034 --> 00:21:19,273 Speaker 5: going to wear it on a random Wednesday. And it 513 00:21:19,314 --> 00:21:21,874 Speaker 5: it's really limiting probably going to be an impulse purchase 514 00:21:21,914 --> 00:21:23,394 Speaker 5: that sits in your wardrobe, yeah. 515 00:21:23,314 --> 00:21:25,874 Speaker 1: Or like if you're needing to like suck in your 516 00:21:25,874 --> 00:21:28,434 Speaker 1: body to a point where you're uncomfortable so that it 517 00:21:28,714 --> 00:21:31,194 Speaker 1: sits right on you, it's not the right shape for 518 00:21:31,234 --> 00:21:32,234 Speaker 1: you exactly. 519 00:21:31,914 --> 00:21:34,394 Speaker 2: And there's a better piece for you somewhere else. Yeah, 520 00:21:34,634 --> 00:21:38,034 Speaker 2: absolutely reassuring. I think, yeah, that's a positive, that is reassuring. 521 00:21:38,154 --> 00:21:40,114 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever bought, maybe apart from my 522 00:21:40,154 --> 00:21:42,914 Speaker 1: wedding dress, which was like it needed a specific undergarment 523 00:21:42,954 --> 00:21:45,314 Speaker 1: and it needed to sit a certain way and was 524 00:21:45,354 --> 00:21:47,674 Speaker 1: slightly sheer, I don't think I've ever bought shapewear to 525 00:21:47,714 --> 00:21:50,194 Speaker 1: wear with anything. But then I reckon there would be 526 00:21:51,474 --> 00:21:54,034 Speaker 1: a whole heap of listeners who are in that sort 527 00:21:54,034 --> 00:21:58,634 Speaker 1: of corporate wardrobe sort of vibe and they're wearing a 528 00:21:58,674 --> 00:22:00,994 Speaker 1: lot of like tailored pieces or like pencil skirts and 529 00:22:01,034 --> 00:22:02,833 Speaker 1: things like that where they do feel like they need 530 00:22:02,874 --> 00:22:05,833 Speaker 1: a really streamlined look. So what would be like if 531 00:22:05,914 --> 00:22:08,513 Speaker 1: you're used to having, like you are in a corporate 532 00:22:08,594 --> 00:22:11,154 Speaker 1: job and you're wearing like a tight pencil skirt most 533 00:22:11,194 --> 00:22:13,513 Speaker 1: days because that's just kind of what you wear, right, 534 00:22:13,914 --> 00:22:17,234 Speaker 1: what's another like, what's an alternative there, maybe a skirt 535 00:22:17,314 --> 00:22:19,594 Speaker 1: or a pant or what would you suggest. 536 00:22:19,674 --> 00:22:21,754 Speaker 5: I would still consider what underwear you're wearing, and I'd 537 00:22:21,794 --> 00:22:23,954 Speaker 5: probably do something that's a bit more mid to high rise, 538 00:22:23,954 --> 00:22:25,714 Speaker 5: so sitting kind of just done to the belly button 539 00:22:25,874 --> 00:22:28,954 Speaker 5: rather than too low on the waist, and having something 540 00:22:28,994 --> 00:22:31,434 Speaker 5: with a bit more structure to it, so cotton, bamboo, 541 00:22:32,034 --> 00:22:35,513 Speaker 5: anything with ribbed details in the underwear. Intwear is great, 542 00:22:35,714 --> 00:22:38,074 Speaker 5: but then if it is actual individual pieces, I would 543 00:22:38,074 --> 00:22:40,594 Speaker 5: look for something then that has an element of elastic 544 00:22:40,674 --> 00:22:43,273 Speaker 5: through the waist normally at the back, flat front, no 545 00:22:43,394 --> 00:22:46,554 Speaker 5: bikavy plats or big billowy amounts of fabrics, and is 546 00:22:46,594 --> 00:22:49,314 Speaker 5: still relatively fitted from the waist to the thigh, and 547 00:22:49,354 --> 00:22:51,154 Speaker 5: then it might kind of flow out a little bit, 548 00:22:51,194 --> 00:22:53,513 Speaker 5: so a subtle a line or a relaxed wide leg pan. 549 00:22:53,594 --> 00:22:55,754 Speaker 5: If an a line skirt is not your thing, it 550 00:22:55,794 --> 00:22:58,354 Speaker 5: could even be doing things like ribbed dresses that have 551 00:22:58,634 --> 00:23:01,314 Speaker 5: more structure to the fabric or maybe more rooting detail 552 00:23:01,314 --> 00:23:02,994 Speaker 5: on the side so that we can draw the eye 553 00:23:03,074 --> 00:23:05,513 Speaker 5: to different points of the body so that the focus 554 00:23:05,594 --> 00:23:08,154 Speaker 5: isn't on that lower tummy or right. 555 00:23:08,434 --> 00:23:11,154 Speaker 1: Oh, you have so many good ideas. I love it, 556 00:23:11,234 --> 00:23:13,634 Speaker 1: So I wonder you're so good at what you do? Okay, 557 00:23:13,634 --> 00:23:16,194 Speaker 1: do you have any more points for us? Anything else 558 00:23:16,194 --> 00:23:17,754 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be buying. I really want to just like 559 00:23:17,874 --> 00:23:19,994 Speaker 1: pick your brain forever, so my life please go on. 560 00:23:20,034 --> 00:23:22,634 Speaker 5: It would be items that just don't feel like you. 561 00:23:22,994 --> 00:23:25,354 Speaker 5: So this goes back to if you've ever put on, 562 00:23:25,514 --> 00:23:27,754 Speaker 5: say a top that you used to wear, used to 563 00:23:27,754 --> 00:23:29,594 Speaker 5: love it, the fit's still right, you still like the 564 00:23:29,594 --> 00:23:31,674 Speaker 5: look of it, it's still in good condition, and then 565 00:23:31,674 --> 00:23:33,194 Speaker 5: you put it on and you just go, this just 566 00:23:33,354 --> 00:23:36,954 Speaker 5: doesn't feel like me anymore. And it's not necessarily that 567 00:23:36,954 --> 00:23:38,914 Speaker 5: that's a bad piece or it doesn't suit you, but 568 00:23:39,074 --> 00:23:42,074 Speaker 5: that's a pretty clear indication that your style has shifted. 569 00:23:42,554 --> 00:23:44,714 Speaker 5: And this normally happens every three to five years for 570 00:23:44,754 --> 00:23:45,354 Speaker 5: most people. 571 00:23:45,474 --> 00:23:46,834 Speaker 2: Really, yeah, it's normally. 572 00:23:47,274 --> 00:23:49,434 Speaker 5: I would say that's actually quite a long time, but 573 00:23:50,034 --> 00:23:52,314 Speaker 5: for some people it's a bit quicker. But generally, every 574 00:23:52,354 --> 00:23:54,194 Speaker 5: three to five years your style will shift, and that 575 00:23:54,354 --> 00:23:58,114 Speaker 5: tends to be around lifestyle changes, around the natural changes 576 00:23:58,114 --> 00:24:00,434 Speaker 5: in our body, but also what we're starting to see 577 00:24:00,674 --> 00:24:03,674 Speaker 5: and absorb other people wearing when we go to the office, 578 00:24:03,674 --> 00:24:06,274 Speaker 5: what people are wearing kind of starts to filter into 579 00:24:06,274 --> 00:24:09,714 Speaker 5: our brain a little bit, and then it's it's kind 580 00:24:09,714 --> 00:24:11,874 Speaker 5: of going, okay, well that doesn't feel like me anymore, 581 00:24:12,034 --> 00:24:14,033 Speaker 5: and that's okay, I'm going to find something different. But 582 00:24:14,074 --> 00:24:16,474 Speaker 5: the thing where people get really stuck is when they 583 00:24:16,514 --> 00:24:19,474 Speaker 5: go shopping for different pieces or new items that they 584 00:24:19,474 --> 00:24:22,194 Speaker 5: feel they need and they start to pick out the 585 00:24:22,194 --> 00:24:24,914 Speaker 5: same things. And this comes from a place of feeling 586 00:24:24,994 --> 00:24:27,754 Speaker 5: like that is familiar, it is safe, I know it works, 587 00:24:27,794 --> 00:24:31,033 Speaker 5: I've worn something like this before. This suits me, And 588 00:24:31,074 --> 00:24:34,194 Speaker 5: then it's kind of blocking that evolution of your style 589 00:24:34,234 --> 00:24:34,754 Speaker 5: a little. 590 00:24:34,594 --> 00:24:38,114 Speaker 1: Bit, right, Okay, so if we shouldn't be buying the 591 00:24:38,194 --> 00:24:40,793 Speaker 1: same thing, I mean, okay to that point though, I 592 00:24:40,794 --> 00:24:43,434 Speaker 1: guess there is a version of you where like you 593 00:24:43,474 --> 00:24:45,874 Speaker 1: want to seek out the same things because they make 594 00:24:45,914 --> 00:24:47,674 Speaker 1: you feel good and comfort. Like if you found if 595 00:24:47,674 --> 00:24:49,954 Speaker 1: you come to that place of comfort within your style, 596 00:24:50,594 --> 00:24:53,394 Speaker 1: would you still discourage us from buying the same things 597 00:24:53,514 --> 00:24:55,154 Speaker 1: or is that like a good thing to buy more 598 00:24:55,194 --> 00:24:56,434 Speaker 1: of what you love. 599 00:24:56,274 --> 00:24:58,674 Speaker 2: And repeat it and that would be a good thing. 600 00:24:58,714 --> 00:25:00,514 Speaker 5: That's a good that's a very good sign that you're 601 00:25:00,554 --> 00:25:01,594 Speaker 5: pretty clearing your style. 602 00:25:01,754 --> 00:25:04,394 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got some style clarity just asking for it. 603 00:25:04,394 --> 00:25:07,074 Speaker 5: It feels your style confidence, but it also it also 604 00:25:07,234 --> 00:25:08,994 Speaker 5: kind of goes, okay, well, these are things that I 605 00:25:08,994 --> 00:25:10,994 Speaker 5: feel good in. I like them, They're easy to wear, 606 00:25:11,194 --> 00:25:13,394 Speaker 5: and then you replicate with similar things that you can 607 00:25:13,434 --> 00:25:15,834 Speaker 5: wear in the same outfits, but just interchange the items, 608 00:25:15,914 --> 00:25:18,194 Speaker 5: which kind of goes to that capture wardrobe approach which 609 00:25:18,274 --> 00:25:21,154 Speaker 5: I do with clients all the time, and that's really useful. 610 00:25:21,154 --> 00:25:21,994 Speaker 2: That's a positive thing. 611 00:25:22,234 --> 00:25:24,914 Speaker 5: Even when we do a wardrobe edit, for example, we 612 00:25:24,954 --> 00:25:26,834 Speaker 5: would always start with the items that the client really 613 00:25:26,874 --> 00:25:29,594 Speaker 5: loves wearing the most, and that gives clarity on you, 614 00:25:29,754 --> 00:25:31,194 Speaker 5: like this sort of print, this is the right kind 615 00:25:31,194 --> 00:25:33,034 Speaker 5: of theme for you. This is the direction that we're 616 00:25:33,074 --> 00:25:34,714 Speaker 5: going in. But we'll build to it and add some 617 00:25:34,834 --> 00:25:37,714 Speaker 5: unexpected things in there too. But yes, going back to 618 00:25:37,994 --> 00:25:40,114 Speaker 5: the point of the items that just don't feel like you, 619 00:25:40,154 --> 00:25:42,513 Speaker 5: sometimes we hang on to things that just don't ask anymore, 620 00:25:42,754 --> 00:25:45,434 Speaker 5: and it's very easy to repeat that same cycle. I 621 00:25:45,714 --> 00:25:48,754 Speaker 5: definitely after having my two kids that in this four 622 00:25:48,834 --> 00:25:50,154 Speaker 5: year space, I've got a four year old and a 623 00:25:50,234 --> 00:25:52,674 Speaker 5: one year old, I have noticed that my style has. 624 00:25:52,594 --> 00:25:54,874 Speaker 2: Changed quite a bit actually. 625 00:25:54,714 --> 00:25:57,434 Speaker 5: In each of those After each of those babies were 626 00:25:57,434 --> 00:26:00,474 Speaker 5: born after I had my kids, and I feel like 627 00:26:00,554 --> 00:26:02,073 Speaker 5: now it feels a bit more fun, a little bit 628 00:26:02,074 --> 00:26:05,714 Speaker 5: more youthful, And maybe before it wasn't so much like 629 00:26:05,754 --> 00:26:07,394 Speaker 5: that that. 630 00:26:07,394 --> 00:26:10,594 Speaker 1: Was about practicality or like something in you shifting where 631 00:26:10,594 --> 00:26:11,794 Speaker 1: you wanted to dress differently. 632 00:26:11,994 --> 00:26:13,754 Speaker 5: I think it was something in me shifting. I think 633 00:26:13,794 --> 00:26:15,994 Speaker 5: it was that I want to feel like myself again. 634 00:26:16,034 --> 00:26:19,034 Speaker 5: I want to feel like my style identity is coming back. 635 00:26:19,074 --> 00:26:21,314 Speaker 5: I want to feel really comfortable in my body again. 636 00:26:22,034 --> 00:26:25,434 Speaker 5: And I think that that naturally happens after definitely after 637 00:26:25,474 --> 00:26:28,273 Speaker 5: that one year mark, maybe before that. 638 00:26:28,434 --> 00:26:31,234 Speaker 1: When you lift your head above the proverbial waters and 639 00:26:31,274 --> 00:26:33,394 Speaker 1: you feel like you can kind of resurface again out 640 00:26:33,394 --> 00:26:35,794 Speaker 1: of the baby stage. That is so truly my style 641 00:26:35,994 --> 00:26:40,754 Speaker 1: changed completely postpartum, out of a sense of practical need, 642 00:26:40,954 --> 00:26:42,834 Speaker 1: like I said, not wearing type jeans and things like 643 00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:45,194 Speaker 1: that anymore, but also just like relaxing into a different 644 00:26:45,234 --> 00:26:46,074 Speaker 1: version of myself. 645 00:26:46,074 --> 00:26:48,394 Speaker 2: And I think you kind of have to shift, You 646 00:26:48,474 --> 00:26:49,314 Speaker 2: have to change. 647 00:26:49,114 --> 00:26:52,394 Speaker 1: Because there are things that no longer feel comfortable, but 648 00:26:52,434 --> 00:26:55,833 Speaker 1: also just don't really feel like you anymore, exactly like 649 00:26:55,834 --> 00:26:58,114 Speaker 1: you said. And but I think the issue I have 650 00:26:58,234 --> 00:27:00,874 Speaker 1: is that like I struggle to shed them, like you said, 651 00:27:00,874 --> 00:27:03,154 Speaker 1: like they're still in my wardrobe even though I don't 652 00:27:03,194 --> 00:27:06,714 Speaker 1: wear them ninety percent of the time. Okay, Like half 653 00:27:06,794 --> 00:27:09,114 Speaker 1: my wabe is still older pieces that I want to 654 00:27:09,154 --> 00:27:11,474 Speaker 1: hang on to. Like, how do you let go of it? 655 00:27:11,474 --> 00:27:14,634 Speaker 1: It's obviously it's like emotional baggage clinging onto those things. 656 00:27:14,714 --> 00:27:16,833 Speaker 1: Or maybe you spent money on them in the past 657 00:27:16,874 --> 00:27:18,794 Speaker 1: for an old life and you no longer need them. 658 00:27:18,794 --> 00:27:20,634 Speaker 2: But like, do you just put them. 659 00:27:20,554 --> 00:27:22,234 Speaker 1: In trash bags and send them on their way or 660 00:27:22,274 --> 00:27:24,234 Speaker 1: do you, like, is there anything you hang on to 661 00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:25,914 Speaker 1: or like, do you have any advice for that? 662 00:27:26,154 --> 00:27:28,634 Speaker 5: I think with the pieces that we tend to hang 663 00:27:28,674 --> 00:27:30,594 Speaker 5: on to and don't actually wear, I think there's a 664 00:27:30,634 --> 00:27:33,434 Speaker 5: place for some things to feel sentimental that maybe it 665 00:27:33,474 --> 00:27:35,154 Speaker 5: was at a really fun stage of your life and 666 00:27:35,194 --> 00:27:36,794 Speaker 5: you really want to hang on to that piece as 667 00:27:36,834 --> 00:27:37,634 Speaker 5: a memento. 668 00:27:37,754 --> 00:27:38,754 Speaker 2: Almost they just. 669 00:27:38,674 --> 00:27:40,994 Speaker 5: Don't have to be in your everyday wearable wardrobe, so 670 00:27:41,354 --> 00:27:43,514 Speaker 5: they've got the space to package them up and put 671 00:27:43,514 --> 00:27:45,434 Speaker 5: them at the top of the wardrobe somewhere. 672 00:27:45,554 --> 00:27:46,154 Speaker 2: That's okay. 673 00:27:46,594 --> 00:27:48,674 Speaker 5: But the pieces that we do kind of linger onto, 674 00:27:49,274 --> 00:27:52,194 Speaker 5: it's very unlikely that we would wear them again, and 675 00:27:53,234 --> 00:27:55,954 Speaker 5: it's more likely that once they are gone, whether be 676 00:27:56,114 --> 00:28:00,994 Speaker 5: donation or if they've just been worn through resale or yeah, 677 00:28:01,274 --> 00:28:03,834 Speaker 5: then I feel like you would not notice that they're 678 00:28:03,834 --> 00:28:04,554 Speaker 5: gone anyway. 679 00:28:04,874 --> 00:28:07,354 Speaker 2: So true, but it is a hard thing to do. 680 00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:10,234 Speaker 5: It so time consuming, and it is there's always those 681 00:28:10,274 --> 00:28:13,513 Speaker 5: questions of will I wear this? So going through considerations 682 00:28:13,554 --> 00:28:16,954 Speaker 5: like coming back to your lifestyle, feeling, and body again 683 00:28:17,474 --> 00:28:19,554 Speaker 5: would be what I would do for each individual piece. 684 00:28:19,794 --> 00:28:22,154 Speaker 1: Okay, it's very clear that I need you to come 685 00:28:22,314 --> 00:28:23,553 Speaker 1: to my house and help me. 686 00:28:24,154 --> 00:28:24,234 Speaker 2: No. 687 00:28:24,394 --> 00:28:25,914 Speaker 1: I can hear that you're very good at what you do, 688 00:28:26,834 --> 00:28:28,634 Speaker 1: and I'm definitely inspired to do a bit of a 689 00:28:28,634 --> 00:28:30,114 Speaker 1: wardrobe clean out of my own. 690 00:28:30,394 --> 00:28:31,074 Speaker 2: It feels good. 691 00:28:31,194 --> 00:28:42,034 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that it does. 692 00:28:42,994 --> 00:28:47,074 Speaker 2: It's very expensive. How wonld are these percent? 693 00:28:47,674 --> 00:28:50,154 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'm feeling very inspired. I think we should 694 00:28:50,154 --> 00:28:53,074 Speaker 1: move into some shopping recommendations now, so let's do boogie 695 00:28:53,114 --> 00:28:54,954 Speaker 1: and budget. Do you want to kick us off with 696 00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:56,274 Speaker 1: your budget first? 697 00:28:56,514 --> 00:28:59,874 Speaker 5: My budget would be I'm going to use personal purchases 698 00:28:59,914 --> 00:29:02,754 Speaker 5: that I recently purchased. I was in Melbourne last week 699 00:29:02,794 --> 00:29:04,674 Speaker 5: and I went to the DFO. There was a bleeding 700 00:29:04,754 --> 00:29:06,714 Speaker 5: store and I bought two pairs of shoes for one 701 00:29:06,754 --> 00:29:08,154 Speaker 5: hundred fifty dollars. 702 00:29:08,154 --> 00:29:10,114 Speaker 2: Each one was a pair of white. 703 00:29:10,114 --> 00:29:12,914 Speaker 5: Patent slip on mules with a small heel, which I'll 704 00:29:12,914 --> 00:29:14,794 Speaker 5: wait for work and I'm so excited about that. 705 00:29:15,074 --> 00:29:15,274 Speaker 4: Love. 706 00:29:15,354 --> 00:29:17,674 Speaker 2: So are they an open toe? Yeah, they're open toe. 707 00:29:17,834 --> 00:29:19,194 Speaker 2: They kind of curve around your foot. 708 00:29:19,274 --> 00:29:22,234 Speaker 5: So for anyone that has white feet or bunions or 709 00:29:22,274 --> 00:29:24,194 Speaker 5: anything like that, really useful. 710 00:29:24,314 --> 00:29:26,274 Speaker 1: It's me I need that same. I'm a big fan 711 00:29:26,354 --> 00:29:29,234 Speaker 1: of Billini. Yeah, but like some great affordable shoes from there, 712 00:29:29,234 --> 00:29:30,194 Speaker 1: and they really stand. 713 00:29:30,034 --> 00:29:31,314 Speaker 2: Up the all the ones I bought have. 714 00:29:31,474 --> 00:29:34,594 Speaker 5: And they're non leather but actually amazing. I'm so impressed 715 00:29:34,634 --> 00:29:35,914 Speaker 5: by them too. And I also bought a pair of 716 00:29:35,954 --> 00:29:38,394 Speaker 5: sandals from there too that i'll slip on slides that 717 00:29:38,434 --> 00:29:40,994 Speaker 5: I will wear. I have worn many times already in 718 00:29:41,034 --> 00:29:41,634 Speaker 5: the last week. 719 00:29:41,754 --> 00:29:44,554 Speaker 1: Yeah, great, that's good. A white shoe is a really 720 00:29:44,594 --> 00:29:47,514 Speaker 1: good choice. Like, I was surprised how much I wore. 721 00:29:47,634 --> 00:29:49,834 Speaker 1: I think I bought a pair of like quite affordable 722 00:29:49,834 --> 00:29:53,194 Speaker 1: Steve Madden white open toe mules with a with a 723 00:29:53,314 --> 00:29:55,434 Speaker 1: like kitten heel, and I wear them all the time. 724 00:29:55,474 --> 00:29:57,314 Speaker 2: That sounds like the bleiny ones that I thought. Yeah, Yah, 725 00:29:57,394 --> 00:29:59,434 Speaker 2: same kind of thing. You bought the same shoes. So useful. 726 00:29:59,514 --> 00:30:02,154 Speaker 1: We're basically best friends. Okay, what about your bougie. 727 00:30:02,274 --> 00:30:04,714 Speaker 5: My bougie would be I'm really not a bougie person, 728 00:30:04,794 --> 00:30:07,434 Speaker 5: but it would be a leather jacket. From all that 729 00:30:07,474 --> 00:30:09,554 Speaker 5: I've seen for years, I think a couple of clients 730 00:30:09,594 --> 00:30:12,194 Speaker 5: have actually bought this. It's always available in David Jones, 731 00:30:12,194 --> 00:30:15,314 Speaker 5: all the iconic and it is a really soft weather 732 00:30:15,394 --> 00:30:18,914 Speaker 5: and it's only I think it's six hundred dollars thereabouts 733 00:30:18,914 --> 00:30:22,474 Speaker 5: full price, but it often goes on sale, and for 734 00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:25,314 Speaker 5: the quality and value of that particular jacket, it is 735 00:30:25,354 --> 00:30:27,714 Speaker 5: so good. I haven't bought it yet because I just 736 00:30:27,874 --> 00:30:30,394 Speaker 5: I haven't needed to that that would be my beauty. 737 00:30:30,474 --> 00:30:32,794 Speaker 2: Sounds like you've been lurking it for it. Actually, it 738 00:30:32,794 --> 00:30:33,874 Speaker 2: sounds a little little. 739 00:30:33,674 --> 00:30:36,834 Speaker 1: Crazy, like looking at it old boyfriend's Instagram or something. 740 00:30:36,874 --> 00:30:37,674 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of is that. 741 00:30:37,834 --> 00:30:39,674 Speaker 1: What's the silhouette of the leather jacket. 742 00:30:39,754 --> 00:30:42,114 Speaker 5: It is as slightly cropped, so it kind of sits 743 00:30:42,154 --> 00:30:45,114 Speaker 5: about the belly button area, So for dresses, skirts, all 744 00:30:45,114 --> 00:30:47,474 Speaker 5: of those sorts of pieces, that's where I see myself 745 00:30:47,474 --> 00:30:51,234 Speaker 5: wearing that mainly. And then it has a slightly more 746 00:30:51,354 --> 00:30:54,114 Speaker 5: nipped in waistline, so it's not it's not boxy, it's 747 00:30:54,114 --> 00:30:56,594 Speaker 5: not not oversized in any kind of extent. 748 00:30:56,634 --> 00:30:57,634 Speaker 2: It's actually quite fitted. 749 00:30:57,834 --> 00:31:02,034 Speaker 5: I would see this as a blazer vibe almost, so 750 00:31:02,034 --> 00:31:02,834 Speaker 5: I would wear this. 751 00:31:03,434 --> 00:31:05,314 Speaker 2: Where I would wear a blazer. I would probably option 752 00:31:05,394 --> 00:31:07,394 Speaker 2: for that. Okay, I think you need to get it. Yeah, 753 00:31:07,394 --> 00:31:07,794 Speaker 2: I think I do. 754 00:31:08,074 --> 00:31:09,834 Speaker 5: I feel like the next season that comes around that 755 00:31:09,954 --> 00:31:11,794 Speaker 5: is called so Winter in a few months, I think 756 00:31:11,794 --> 00:31:12,154 Speaker 5: that's what. 757 00:31:12,714 --> 00:31:15,594 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got, you gotta drop the cash, you gotta invest, 758 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:19,634 Speaker 1: I do. Okay, So my budget is a matching set 759 00:31:19,714 --> 00:31:23,034 Speaker 1: from an Australian brand that I love, Nude Lucy. It's 760 00:31:23,034 --> 00:31:26,634 Speaker 1: the Sutton tank and pant and it's they're coores, but 761 00:31:26,674 --> 00:31:29,314 Speaker 1: you can also wear them and style them separately. And 762 00:31:29,514 --> 00:31:32,834 Speaker 1: this set comes in like a beige cotton linen blend 763 00:31:33,274 --> 00:31:36,474 Speaker 1: and the tunic is like a long line sort of tank. 764 00:31:36,994 --> 00:31:39,714 Speaker 1: It's sleeveless, and then the pants sort of echoes that 765 00:31:39,834 --> 00:31:42,594 Speaker 1: same silhouette, so it's like a fluid quite a fluid, 766 00:31:43,074 --> 00:31:45,914 Speaker 1: not tight, not super wide leg, just the kind of 767 00:31:45,914 --> 00:31:47,834 Speaker 1: silhouette of pant that I like to wear. I'm wearing 768 00:31:47,834 --> 00:31:50,274 Speaker 1: a similar one today in a crochet knit and I 769 00:31:50,314 --> 00:31:53,514 Speaker 1: actually bought these pants in black, like over a year ago, 770 00:31:53,554 --> 00:31:55,634 Speaker 1: maybe almost two years ago, and I'm so glad that 771 00:31:55,674 --> 00:31:58,074 Speaker 1: they've reissued them in different colors because I will be 772 00:31:58,114 --> 00:32:00,274 Speaker 1: buying them in the beige. They also come in white, 773 00:32:00,274 --> 00:32:03,954 Speaker 1: but I love this like kind of flaxy linity color. Yeah. 774 00:32:03,954 --> 00:32:06,274 Speaker 5: I love New Blucy. They do awesome sets and their 775 00:32:06,394 --> 00:32:09,114 Speaker 5: the quality is good. Their price point is nice. Yeah, 776 00:32:09,274 --> 00:32:11,234 Speaker 5: that sounds like a very you kind of outfit. Is 777 00:32:11,994 --> 00:32:13,954 Speaker 5: it's actually wearing that it's beautiful. 778 00:32:14,074 --> 00:32:16,354 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the tunic is seventy dollars in the pant 779 00:32:16,434 --> 00:32:18,634 Speaker 1: is one hundred, So like, I think that's pretty reasonable 780 00:32:18,674 --> 00:32:20,554 Speaker 1: pricing for what they're kind of where I'm going. 781 00:32:20,474 --> 00:32:20,874 Speaker 2: To get out. 782 00:32:20,914 --> 00:32:23,194 Speaker 5: Yeah, especially being a set to or a coord I 783 00:32:23,194 --> 00:32:26,554 Speaker 5: think when there's that option of wearing things together, clearly 784 00:32:26,594 --> 00:32:27,154 Speaker 5: I like that too. 785 00:32:27,194 --> 00:32:29,274 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a cold on today? Very cool. It's 786 00:32:29,354 --> 00:32:30,594 Speaker 2: kind of like a green strike. 787 00:32:30,634 --> 00:32:33,034 Speaker 1: Why actually, why don't you share for listeners like what 788 00:32:33,034 --> 00:32:33,754 Speaker 1: you're wearing today? 789 00:32:33,754 --> 00:32:34,834 Speaker 2: Because I love your outfit? 790 00:32:34,914 --> 00:32:37,194 Speaker 5: So it is a cold They are elastic flowy pants 791 00:32:37,594 --> 00:32:40,754 Speaker 5: with a top that is matching naturally, it's got a 792 00:32:40,754 --> 00:32:42,274 Speaker 5: bit of a bit of a cow neck, I'd say 793 00:32:42,274 --> 00:32:44,954 Speaker 5: to it adjustable straps and I kind of do a 794 00:32:44,994 --> 00:32:47,034 Speaker 5: little bandenta tie so that it has a little bit 795 00:32:47,074 --> 00:32:49,274 Speaker 5: more waistline definition. Otherwise you can wear it long. But 796 00:32:49,274 --> 00:32:50,514 Speaker 5: I feel like that's a bit too boxy. 797 00:32:50,554 --> 00:32:52,274 Speaker 1: On what's a bandana type backtrack? 798 00:32:52,354 --> 00:32:54,674 Speaker 5: Like a little it's got like a little T shape 799 00:32:54,714 --> 00:32:56,714 Speaker 5: with a tie and the waist so it had some 800 00:32:56,754 --> 00:32:59,714 Speaker 5: shape through my waistline, which I always do. And then 801 00:32:59,994 --> 00:33:01,794 Speaker 5: I've chosen a color in this that's like an olive 802 00:33:01,834 --> 00:33:04,954 Speaker 5: green or pistachio green with a cream base. Yeah, so 803 00:33:04,994 --> 00:33:06,794 Speaker 5: I love wearing this kind of color. It always makes 804 00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:10,754 Speaker 5: me feel calm and pretty relaxed. Actually, And yeah, I 805 00:33:10,954 --> 00:33:12,674 Speaker 5: always have sets in my wardrobe. 806 00:33:12,834 --> 00:33:15,354 Speaker 2: It's like one go to thing that it's so easy 807 00:33:15,394 --> 00:33:16,394 Speaker 2: to get dressed, isn't it? 808 00:33:16,954 --> 00:33:19,914 Speaker 1: Since I started buying sets, since they came into like 809 00:33:19,994 --> 00:33:22,874 Speaker 1: into popularity, I really struggle to get dressed when I 810 00:33:22,954 --> 00:33:24,274 Speaker 1: don't where things don't match. 811 00:33:24,354 --> 00:33:27,594 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too easy. Extra thoughts, Well, I love it. 812 00:33:27,594 --> 00:33:28,154 Speaker 2: You look amazing. 813 00:33:28,154 --> 00:33:31,154 Speaker 1: We'll have to get a pick for the socials my bougie. Today, 814 00:33:31,354 --> 00:33:35,754 Speaker 1: I have found the perfect elevated mini bag for day 815 00:33:35,834 --> 00:33:38,794 Speaker 1: to day or for evening. It's the t Lock Mini 816 00:33:38,874 --> 00:33:40,754 Speaker 1: calf hair clutch by Totem. 817 00:33:41,194 --> 00:33:42,114 Speaker 2: Do you know this brand? 818 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:44,354 Speaker 5: I know the brand, I don't know the item. Yes, 819 00:33:44,514 --> 00:33:46,554 Speaker 5: so it like sits quite up. 820 00:33:47,154 --> 00:33:49,394 Speaker 1: No, it's got a long strap actually, and it's a 821 00:33:49,434 --> 00:33:51,514 Speaker 1: mini bag. So it's this let me explain, it's like 822 00:33:51,554 --> 00:33:54,594 Speaker 1: this slouchy but structured you know, we're sort of seeing 823 00:33:54,594 --> 00:33:56,674 Speaker 1: that style of bag now where the front flap is 824 00:33:56,754 --> 00:33:58,594 Speaker 1: kind of a bit unstructured. 825 00:33:58,594 --> 00:34:00,874 Speaker 2: It's boxes. They used to be. 826 00:34:01,234 --> 00:34:03,034 Speaker 1: I feel like we used to have very boxy mini 827 00:34:03,074 --> 00:34:04,794 Speaker 1: bags and now they're a bit more, a bit more 828 00:34:04,834 --> 00:34:08,074 Speaker 1: sort of loose. And it comes in lack calf hair, 829 00:34:08,354 --> 00:34:10,393 Speaker 1: so it's got that element of texture that I love 830 00:34:10,433 --> 00:34:14,193 Speaker 1: and this great gold like statement tea buckle which tells you, 831 00:34:14,194 --> 00:34:16,473 Speaker 1: you know, it's like without having a logo, it tells 832 00:34:16,474 --> 00:34:18,953 Speaker 1: you it's a Totin bag. I'm really really big fan 833 00:34:18,994 --> 00:34:21,874 Speaker 1: of this brand. They do like really good minimal leather 834 00:34:21,914 --> 00:34:24,994 Speaker 1: goods and accessories that are you know, there's still definitely 835 00:34:25,034 --> 00:34:27,114 Speaker 1: an investment, Like it's not cheap, but it's not like 836 00:34:27,354 --> 00:34:30,274 Speaker 1: crazy outlandish luxury prices as well. 837 00:34:30,354 --> 00:34:31,033 Speaker 2: That is so cool. 838 00:34:31,074 --> 00:34:33,754 Speaker 1: So this bag, yeah, yeah, no, do have a look 839 00:34:33,794 --> 00:34:37,034 Speaker 1: it's on net a Porter and it's fourteen eighty five, so, 840 00:34:37,114 --> 00:34:40,114 Speaker 1: like I said, not cheap. Definitely in the area of investment, 841 00:34:40,154 --> 00:34:41,953 Speaker 1: but I think it's something that i'd use every day. 842 00:34:42,154 --> 00:34:43,994 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that it's got a bit of slouchiness 843 00:34:43,994 --> 00:34:45,433 Speaker 2: to it too. Yeah, that adds some. 844 00:34:45,394 --> 00:34:48,314 Speaker 5: Softness and that kind of easy, more casual exactly what. 845 00:34:48,314 --> 00:34:50,074 Speaker 2: You think validating there. 846 00:34:50,194 --> 00:34:53,194 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that one's in my cart, but I have 847 00:34:53,314 --> 00:34:54,393 Speaker 1: not pulled the trigger yet. 848 00:34:54,474 --> 00:34:55,154 Speaker 2: I think you should. 849 00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:57,514 Speaker 1: Well, that's all we have time for. But thank you 850 00:34:57,554 --> 00:34:59,433 Speaker 1: so much for joining us. I have learnt so much, 851 00:34:59,434 --> 00:35:00,953 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that our listeners have got a lot 852 00:35:00,994 --> 00:35:02,634 Speaker 1: of great tips from you as well, Hayley, so we'll 853 00:35:02,634 --> 00:35:03,474 Speaker 1: have to have you back. 854 00:35:03,554 --> 00:35:05,873 Speaker 2: Thank you. It's been really nice doing this. Thank you 855 00:35:05,914 --> 00:35:07,074 Speaker 2: for inviting me, of course. 856 00:35:07,154 --> 00:35:10,234 Speaker 1: Yes, that's all we have time for today. Thank you 857 00:35:10,274 --> 00:35:12,554 Speaker 1: so much for listening to Nothing to Wear. Don't forget 858 00:35:12,554 --> 00:35:14,714 Speaker 1: to sign up to our Nothing to Wear newsletter. There's 859 00:35:14,754 --> 00:35:17,194 Speaker 1: a link in the show notes, and watch us on 860 00:35:17,234 --> 00:35:20,034 Speaker 1: YouTube and follow us on Instagram at Nothing to Wear Pod. 861 00:35:20,434 --> 00:35:21,234 Speaker 2: We'll be back soon. 862 00:35:21,434 --> 00:35:25,794 Speaker 1: Bye. Mamma mea acknowledges the traditional owners of the land. 863 00:35:25,834 --> 00:35:28,674 Speaker 1: We have recorded this podcast on the Gadagol people of 864 00:35:28,754 --> 00:35:31,794 Speaker 1: the Eora Nation. 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