1 00:00:14,864 --> 00:00:17,904 Speaker 1: From Mom Maya. Welcome to the Spill your daily pop 2 00:00:17,904 --> 00:00:21,904 Speaker 1: culture fix. I'm m Vernon and I'm Laura Brodnick. Happy Monday, 3 00:00:22,184 --> 00:00:24,864 Speaker 1: Happy Monday to you. We are back. We did come 4 00:00:24,904 --> 00:00:27,224 Speaker 1: back a little bit for the Golden Globe in a 5 00:00:27,264 --> 00:00:28,624 Speaker 1: two special episodes. 6 00:00:28,304 --> 00:00:30,984 Speaker 2: Dramatic fashion as we are non dramatic. 7 00:00:30,784 --> 00:00:34,144 Speaker 1: But our Hot Pod summer series is over. We are 8 00:00:34,184 --> 00:00:37,864 Speaker 1: back irl in real time. However, if you haven't listened 9 00:00:37,904 --> 00:00:39,784 Speaker 1: to our Hot Pod summer series, just go back in 10 00:00:39,784 --> 00:00:41,664 Speaker 1: your feed. We've done a lot and a lot of 11 00:00:41,704 --> 00:00:45,824 Speaker 1: content there. Today on the show, we are talking about 12 00:00:45,984 --> 00:00:49,464 Speaker 1: all of the celebrity breakups that happened during December and 13 00:00:49,544 --> 00:00:52,184 Speaker 1: early jan There were a lot of them, and there 14 00:00:52,384 --> 00:00:53,944 Speaker 1: is a reason why. 15 00:00:54,464 --> 00:00:57,344 Speaker 2: But first, but first, we wanted to touch on something 16 00:00:57,384 --> 00:00:59,424 Speaker 2: that has been very much in the news in the 17 00:00:59,424 --> 00:01:02,144 Speaker 2: social media cycle the last couple of days, and that 18 00:01:02,264 --> 00:01:04,504 Speaker 2: is the fires that are taking place in la the 19 00:01:04,504 --> 00:01:09,064 Speaker 2: devastating fires that have destroyed thousands of home, displaced millions 20 00:01:09,064 --> 00:01:12,864 Speaker 2: of people, people of lives. It's a really tragic circumstance 21 00:01:13,104 --> 00:01:15,864 Speaker 2: and in saying that, very aware that there's many other 22 00:01:16,144 --> 00:01:18,744 Speaker 2: events of this scale happening across the world at all 23 00:01:18,744 --> 00:01:21,384 Speaker 2: times and especially now, but just being the fact that 24 00:01:21,424 --> 00:01:23,664 Speaker 2: we're an entertainment podcast, we were going to talk more 25 00:01:23,784 --> 00:01:26,464 Speaker 2: just about how this is affecting the entertainment industry and 26 00:01:26,464 --> 00:01:29,504 Speaker 2: what the flow and effect will be for us as consumers, 27 00:01:29,784 --> 00:01:32,664 Speaker 2: because this is happening right in Hollywood. Although if you 28 00:01:32,664 --> 00:01:34,864 Speaker 2: saw those pictures of the Hollywood Sign on fire, that 29 00:01:34,944 --> 00:01:37,304 Speaker 2: was ai. I was like, guys, give it a rest. 30 00:01:37,984 --> 00:01:40,384 Speaker 2: There's real photos going around that are more tragic than that. 31 00:01:40,704 --> 00:01:44,264 Speaker 2: But it's happening during Hollywood's peak awards season time and 32 00:01:44,304 --> 00:01:47,864 Speaker 2: also peak premiere time, so lots of events canceled. The 33 00:01:47,944 --> 00:01:52,744 Speaker 2: cancelation started rolling through early last week when Unstoppable, which 34 00:01:52,784 --> 00:01:55,904 Speaker 2: is the movie that Jennifer Lopez made with Ben Affleck No, 35 00:01:55,984 --> 00:01:58,504 Speaker 2: that whole drama, Yeah, the premiere for that was canceled. 36 00:01:58,544 --> 00:02:00,704 Speaker 2: And in fact, I saw Jennifer Lopez saying today that 37 00:02:00,904 --> 00:02:03,984 Speaker 2: she was stepping back from all press commitments and things 38 00:02:04,024 --> 00:02:06,344 Speaker 2: to just focus on the fires and that and everything 39 00:02:06,344 --> 00:02:07,384 Speaker 2: that's happening around her home. 40 00:02:07,464 --> 00:02:10,344 Speaker 1: Because yeah, it's not just Hollywood like where the Hub is, 41 00:02:10,504 --> 00:02:12,504 Speaker 1: but every celebrity lives there as well. 42 00:02:12,464 --> 00:02:14,824 Speaker 2: Exactly, and all the events are taking place in filming 43 00:02:14,864 --> 00:02:17,784 Speaker 2: and everything so the premiere for Wolfman was canceled, as 44 00:02:17,784 --> 00:02:21,544 Speaker 2: well as premiere events for Betterman and the Pit TV series. 45 00:02:21,904 --> 00:02:25,184 Speaker 2: Also the Academy Awards, so the nominations opened on jan 46 00:02:25,344 --> 00:02:27,664 Speaker 2: eighth and was sent to close on January twelfth. That 47 00:02:27,744 --> 00:02:31,144 Speaker 2: gives everyone the Academy time to watch all their screeners, 48 00:02:31,224 --> 00:02:33,024 Speaker 2: although we know most of them don't watch screeners, but 49 00:02:33,264 --> 00:02:36,144 Speaker 2: you know, that's another conversation for we did. Yeah, we 50 00:02:36,184 --> 00:02:39,504 Speaker 2: do the work. The nominations to like send your ballot 51 00:02:39,624 --> 00:02:42,824 Speaker 2: in were extended by a few days, and the announcement 52 00:02:42,864 --> 00:02:45,744 Speaker 2: of the nomination has then just been pushed to nineteen. 53 00:02:45,784 --> 00:02:47,664 Speaker 2: I actually wonder if that'll be pushed again. That's the 54 00:02:47,744 --> 00:02:49,664 Speaker 2: everything at the time of recording is very up in 55 00:02:49,704 --> 00:02:52,824 Speaker 2: the air, which will be interesting to see how just 56 00:02:52,824 --> 00:02:55,144 Speaker 2: a flow on effect that has for the Oscars in 57 00:02:55,184 --> 00:02:58,304 Speaker 2: general by pushing everything back, because at this stage some 58 00:02:58,344 --> 00:03:00,344 Speaker 2: of those like really big fires have still not been 59 00:03:00,344 --> 00:03:02,984 Speaker 2: properly contained, and it's hard to sort of say what's 60 00:03:03,024 --> 00:03:04,704 Speaker 2: going to happen. So I would sort of say that 61 00:03:04,744 --> 00:03:06,864 Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff is going to be moved again. 62 00:03:07,304 --> 00:03:10,344 Speaker 1: I would say the announcement that the Oscar nominations would 63 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:13,864 Speaker 1: being pushed back was the thing that made me realize 64 00:03:13,904 --> 00:03:17,744 Speaker 1: how deeply serious the fires were. Yeah, which does sound 65 00:03:17,864 --> 00:03:21,544 Speaker 1: very complacent as someone who works in media, because obviously 66 00:03:21,584 --> 00:03:23,544 Speaker 1: people's lives are being destroyed, and I think it's like 67 00:03:23,624 --> 00:03:27,784 Speaker 1: sixteen people who have tragically died, and there's also sixteen 68 00:03:27,784 --> 00:03:30,464 Speaker 1: people who have been unaccounted for, and on top of that, 69 00:03:30,784 --> 00:03:33,424 Speaker 1: five thousand homes have also been destroyed. But I think 70 00:03:33,464 --> 00:03:37,224 Speaker 1: when a massive international announcement like the nominations happens, I 71 00:03:37,264 --> 00:03:39,944 Speaker 1: think that's what really makes everyone focus in. 72 00:03:40,544 --> 00:03:42,704 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly that and sort of seeing I guess, like 73 00:03:42,744 --> 00:03:46,864 Speaker 2: the celebrities very front facing in this particular event, and 74 00:03:46,864 --> 00:03:48,544 Speaker 2: I think that's why there's been so attention on it 75 00:03:48,624 --> 00:03:50,624 Speaker 2: compared to some other things in the world. And then 76 00:03:50,664 --> 00:03:52,904 Speaker 2: the Screen Actors Guild nominations that was meant to be 77 00:03:52,904 --> 00:03:55,064 Speaker 2: a big live broadcast that was canceled. They were just 78 00:03:55,064 --> 00:03:58,104 Speaker 2: set out. The Critics' Choice Awards have been moved from Jan. 79 00:03:58,224 --> 00:04:01,584 Speaker 2: Twelve to Jan twenty six, and then the American Film 80 00:04:01,664 --> 00:04:05,544 Speaker 2: Institute Awards luncheon that was moved. The British Academy of 81 00:04:05,544 --> 00:04:08,584 Speaker 2: Film and Television, like the big bafter event in Hollywood, 82 00:04:09,144 --> 00:04:11,904 Speaker 2: was postponed, so just been this whole role on effect. 83 00:04:12,224 --> 00:04:14,584 Speaker 2: A lot of shows have also stopped filming, so like 84 00:04:14,624 --> 00:04:16,544 Speaker 2: even Hacks, which is interesting because they were making such 85 00:04:16,584 --> 00:04:18,104 Speaker 2: a big deal about the fact that they had to 86 00:04:18,504 --> 00:04:20,184 Speaker 2: at the Golden Globes when they won their award, they 87 00:04:20,224 --> 00:04:21,984 Speaker 2: got up and talked for having to film very early 88 00:04:22,024 --> 00:04:25,104 Speaker 2: the next morning. So no one gives Jean Smart any alcohol. 89 00:04:25,384 --> 00:04:28,024 Speaker 2: But yeah, a number of shows from like The New Suits, Freeboot, 90 00:04:28,104 --> 00:04:30,784 Speaker 2: and Ted TV show, like all of these play things. 91 00:04:31,384 --> 00:04:33,464 Speaker 2: So many that's just a few. I mean, Gray's Anatomy, 92 00:04:33,704 --> 00:04:37,304 Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmellive have all been affected. So it's because the 93 00:04:37,304 --> 00:04:39,384 Speaker 2: fires are so close to the lots where they shoot 94 00:04:39,424 --> 00:04:42,264 Speaker 2: all of these things, they've all been postponed, which, just 95 00:04:42,304 --> 00:04:44,584 Speaker 2: like the writers strike, depends how long the post boneman 96 00:04:44,704 --> 00:04:48,544 Speaker 2: is effects. So yeah, a lot of different like the 97 00:04:48,584 --> 00:04:50,864 Speaker 2: film and TV industry to an extent, like coming to 98 00:04:50,904 --> 00:04:54,384 Speaker 2: a stand still for the moment during the biggest awards 99 00:04:54,384 --> 00:04:57,264 Speaker 2: season of the year for them, and then alongside that, 100 00:04:57,304 --> 00:05:00,304 Speaker 2: we're seeing so many stories of celebrities losing their homes. 101 00:05:00,464 --> 00:05:04,704 Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw an interview with Jennifer Ghana, who is 102 00:05:04,784 --> 00:05:07,184 Speaker 1: known for doing a lot of like community and charitable 103 00:05:07,184 --> 00:05:10,824 Speaker 1: work have heard during Christmas and Thankgiving with and Affleck. 104 00:05:11,344 --> 00:05:14,424 Speaker 1: But I think what hit in this interview was that 105 00:05:14,464 --> 00:05:18,504 Speaker 1: celebrities are experiencing lost to a whole new level. She said, 106 00:05:18,544 --> 00:05:20,304 Speaker 1: I did lose a friend who did not get out 107 00:05:20,304 --> 00:05:22,664 Speaker 1: in time. My heart bleeds for my friends, as well 108 00:05:22,704 --> 00:05:24,944 Speaker 1: as the guilt that she faced for being able to 109 00:05:25,224 --> 00:05:28,344 Speaker 1: walk through a home and like seeing everyone around her 110 00:05:28,464 --> 00:05:32,064 Speaker 1: just have like their lives completely destroyed. I think those 111 00:05:32,104 --> 00:05:35,304 Speaker 1: interviews are really important because those interviews, although there are 112 00:05:35,304 --> 00:05:37,464 Speaker 1: real people out there who are losing their homes and 113 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:40,344 Speaker 1: losing their lives, it's those interviews that will get picked 114 00:05:40,384 --> 00:05:42,024 Speaker 1: up for the rest of the world to be able 115 00:05:42,064 --> 00:05:44,504 Speaker 1: to see the devastation from these fives. 116 00:05:44,544 --> 00:05:46,664 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's been interesting to see the amount of 117 00:05:46,704 --> 00:05:50,104 Speaker 2: backlash there's been for celebrities talking about losing their homes. 118 00:05:50,184 --> 00:05:54,584 Speaker 2: And obviously there's a huge difference between millionaire celebrity losing 119 00:05:54,624 --> 00:05:56,984 Speaker 2: their home to you know, an average. 120 00:05:56,744 --> 00:05:58,024 Speaker 1: Work and class of difference. 121 00:05:58,144 --> 00:05:59,824 Speaker 2: And that's the thing two of people saying like, oh, 122 00:05:59,864 --> 00:06:01,784 Speaker 2: it's just like that whole area is reach. It's like 123 00:06:01,784 --> 00:06:04,104 Speaker 2: there's a few pockets that are like the mansions and rich, 124 00:06:04,144 --> 00:06:06,144 Speaker 2: but a lot of the other places that have been 125 00:06:06,464 --> 00:06:10,664 Speaker 2: decimated destroy are just regular families and people, And so 126 00:06:10,864 --> 00:06:13,544 Speaker 2: I have actually haven't seen a celebrities be super tone 127 00:06:13,544 --> 00:06:16,704 Speaker 2: deaf and be complaining about their loss over other peoples. 128 00:06:16,744 --> 00:06:19,144 Speaker 2: A lot of people have been celebrities like a Paris 129 00:06:19,184 --> 00:06:21,344 Speaker 2: Hilton who have commented and those kind of people have 130 00:06:21,384 --> 00:06:23,944 Speaker 2: been saying like, yeah, I lost my home. But I 131 00:06:24,024 --> 00:06:27,144 Speaker 2: understand that this is a you know, a widespread situation 132 00:06:27,384 --> 00:06:29,704 Speaker 2: and you know, even the Kardashians have been fighting with 133 00:06:29,744 --> 00:06:32,224 Speaker 2: the mayor of La and it's a whole different, it's 134 00:06:32,224 --> 00:06:35,864 Speaker 2: a whole Whitney Cummings, the TV producer and comedian, has 135 00:06:35,864 --> 00:06:37,824 Speaker 2: been out in her car trying to like personally track 136 00:06:37,864 --> 00:06:41,024 Speaker 2: down arsenists that she heard were starting, like because some 137 00:06:41,064 --> 00:06:43,784 Speaker 2: of the fires have been started by people by arsonists 138 00:06:43,824 --> 00:06:46,784 Speaker 2: and have like destroyed home. So she's like live streaming 139 00:06:46,784 --> 00:06:48,464 Speaker 2: from her car chasing them down. I'm like, oh, I 140 00:06:48,464 --> 00:06:50,984 Speaker 2: think that's probably a bit wouldn't say that was the state. 141 00:06:52,224 --> 00:06:54,584 Speaker 2: And also a weird anti hero that has come out 142 00:06:54,624 --> 00:06:57,224 Speaker 2: of this whole situation, Spencer Pratt from the Hills. Have 143 00:06:57,264 --> 00:06:58,464 Speaker 2: you seen this all over? 144 00:06:58,504 --> 00:07:01,064 Speaker 1: TikTok? That is all my TikTok feed, he is here 145 00:07:01,184 --> 00:07:02,304 Speaker 1: been Heidi. 146 00:07:02,184 --> 00:07:03,944 Speaker 2: Yes, he and Heidie. It's so weird that you don't 147 00:07:03,984 --> 00:07:05,224 Speaker 2: know who they are to because. 148 00:07:05,104 --> 00:07:05,744 Speaker 1: You know them now. 149 00:07:05,824 --> 00:07:08,784 Speaker 2: No, no, to elder millennials, this is like, this is 150 00:07:08,864 --> 00:07:13,104 Speaker 2: top tier celebrity information because they were the infamous Villains 151 00:07:13,144 --> 00:07:14,944 Speaker 2: on the Hills for the Whole Seas and the reality 152 00:07:14,984 --> 00:07:17,984 Speaker 2: TV show and made a lot of money then, but 153 00:07:18,024 --> 00:07:20,224 Speaker 2: like infamously haven't like they're saying they have no money. 154 00:07:20,264 --> 00:07:22,824 Speaker 2: They still haven't. Mansion that burned down, lost their insurance. 155 00:07:22,864 --> 00:07:24,424 Speaker 2: I don't I know so much by their life because 156 00:07:24,424 --> 00:07:28,224 Speaker 2: he has just been like shamelessly updating their TikTok and 157 00:07:28,224 --> 00:07:30,224 Speaker 2: everything and trying to get like people to support them. 158 00:07:30,224 --> 00:07:32,384 Speaker 2: But then Heidie's music has, like because she had this 159 00:07:32,504 --> 00:07:33,664 Speaker 2: like she had a bit of a pop star crew 160 00:07:33,704 --> 00:07:36,064 Speaker 2: but not a very big one, has like gone like 161 00:07:36,144 --> 00:07:39,264 Speaker 2: smashing up the charts because people are streaming her music 162 00:07:39,264 --> 00:07:41,944 Speaker 2: to support them financially. But you also almost like watched 163 00:07:41,984 --> 00:07:43,944 Speaker 2: in real time is there because he's so big on 164 00:07:44,384 --> 00:07:48,064 Speaker 2: TikTok and instrument snapchat all the time. Every day he 165 00:07:48,104 --> 00:07:50,464 Speaker 2: still does that old school thing of like just you know, 166 00:07:50,544 --> 00:07:52,784 Speaker 2: updating people every ten seconds of his day of what 167 00:07:52,824 --> 00:07:55,824 Speaker 2: he's doing, and so you almost watch it happen. He's like, Oh, 168 00:07:55,824 --> 00:07:57,344 Speaker 2: there's a fire. Oh, we can kind of see it. 169 00:07:57,344 --> 00:07:58,984 Speaker 2: Oh there's a bit of smoke. Oh I think it's fine. 170 00:07:58,984 --> 00:08:00,664 Speaker 2: Oh shit, we have to leave. What have we got 171 00:08:00,664 --> 00:08:02,344 Speaker 2: in the car? Oh I'm watching my house burn down 172 00:08:02,384 --> 00:08:04,104 Speaker 2: in real time. This is my house that's gone, Like 173 00:08:04,144 --> 00:08:07,624 Speaker 2: you watched it happen. And so it's really interesting how 174 00:08:07,944 --> 00:08:10,064 Speaker 2: because he's been so open about it and has been providing 175 00:08:10,104 --> 00:08:13,864 Speaker 2: people with like this weird entertainment and also being very 176 00:08:13,944 --> 00:08:17,464 Speaker 2: vulnerable that he's become the sort of online face. 177 00:08:17,184 --> 00:08:19,544 Speaker 1: Of this, which is very yeah, like for everyone who 178 00:08:19,584 --> 00:08:22,504 Speaker 1: wants to track, I guess what's happening in real time. 179 00:08:22,944 --> 00:08:25,384 Speaker 1: It's all over his socials. And he's also been quite 180 00:08:25,464 --> 00:08:29,504 Speaker 1: vocal with how the media is treating their own experience, 181 00:08:29,584 --> 00:08:31,864 Speaker 1: like yahnitie, Like he was saying, we used to be 182 00:08:31,944 --> 00:08:34,744 Speaker 1: on like every like broke celebrity list, Like people would 183 00:08:34,744 --> 00:08:37,384 Speaker 1: call us broke. And yet when our house gets destroyed, 184 00:08:37,384 --> 00:08:40,424 Speaker 1: when now on like rich Mansions, I'd get that have 185 00:08:40,544 --> 00:08:43,064 Speaker 1: been destroyed, yeah, in the fires, And I think that's 186 00:08:43,064 --> 00:08:43,584 Speaker 1: a fair call. 187 00:08:43,784 --> 00:08:45,824 Speaker 2: It is definitely a fair call. Like when he was saying, like, 188 00:08:45,864 --> 00:08:47,584 Speaker 2: you know, their friends have started to go fund me, 189 00:08:47,704 --> 00:08:50,424 Speaker 2: which obviously have a lot of thoughts around different celebrities 190 00:08:50,424 --> 00:08:52,744 Speaker 2: sharing gofund me. It was interesting that Mandy Moore was 191 00:08:52,744 --> 00:08:55,744 Speaker 2: getting really slammed for sharing her own her brother in 192 00:08:55,784 --> 00:08:57,704 Speaker 2: law's go fund me, and people were like, what about 193 00:08:57,744 --> 00:09:00,024 Speaker 2: everyone else who doesn't have rich celebrity friends, and she 194 00:09:00,144 --> 00:09:02,024 Speaker 2: was like, We're all trying to do the best we can. 195 00:09:02,144 --> 00:09:04,304 Speaker 2: No one's forcing you to do everything. Kindly f off 196 00:09:04,344 --> 00:09:07,144 Speaker 2: and then Spencer's jumping in and defending Mandy Moore and 197 00:09:07,144 --> 00:09:08,784 Speaker 2: saying she flew me on a plane, wants to New 198 00:09:08,864 --> 00:09:10,264 Speaker 2: York to hang out with me. So I'm going to 199 00:09:10,504 --> 00:09:12,784 Speaker 2: currently this is getting really too much. But I mean, 200 00:09:12,824 --> 00:09:14,504 Speaker 2: the thing about Spencer and Heidi two is like, yes, 201 00:09:14,544 --> 00:09:17,304 Speaker 2: they did lose everything, but at the same time they 202 00:09:17,304 --> 00:09:19,504 Speaker 2: are staying I know everything's relative in different ways, but 203 00:09:19,584 --> 00:09:22,264 Speaker 2: that's obviously horrendous. And when she was crying I just 204 00:09:22,264 --> 00:09:23,664 Speaker 2: want to go home, I was like, oh god, I 205 00:09:23,664 --> 00:09:25,344 Speaker 2: really feel that, like you would just want to go home. 206 00:09:25,504 --> 00:09:27,384 Speaker 2: But at the same time they're staying in a Santa 207 00:09:27,384 --> 00:09:29,584 Speaker 2: Barbara house that their family are, Yeah, so they have 208 00:09:29,624 --> 00:09:30,744 Speaker 2: somewhere to go at least. I don't know. 209 00:09:30,744 --> 00:09:32,184 Speaker 1: It's all relative, but I think it's good that the 210 00:09:32,224 --> 00:09:35,584 Speaker 1: celebrities are calling out that they need help, like La 211 00:09:35,744 --> 00:09:39,184 Speaker 1: needs help. Yeah, but don't just stop at the celebrity stories, 212 00:09:39,224 --> 00:09:42,184 Speaker 1: like there are real people out there, like the firefighters 213 00:09:42,264 --> 00:09:45,304 Speaker 1: were working so hard, like they have stories as well, 214 00:09:45,384 --> 00:09:46,864 Speaker 1: So don't just stop on the surface. 215 00:09:46,904 --> 00:09:47,304 Speaker 2: One hundred. 216 00:09:50,064 --> 00:09:54,664 Speaker 1: So it has been confirmed. Kind of that, Hugh Jackman, 217 00:09:54,984 --> 00:10:00,184 Speaker 1: It has been confirmed, great area. Okay, I mean I 218 00:10:00,264 --> 00:10:03,464 Speaker 1: platonically hold hands with my friends, but sure whatever, Hugh 219 00:10:03,584 --> 00:10:08,024 Speaker 1: Jackman and Southern Fosters seem to be definitely dating. So 220 00:10:08,144 --> 00:10:09,584 Speaker 1: to take you back a little, I would love. 221 00:10:09,544 --> 00:10:11,024 Speaker 2: For you and I next time we go out somewhere 222 00:10:11,024 --> 00:10:13,224 Speaker 2: to walk around holding hands and gazing into each other's 223 00:10:13,224 --> 00:10:14,664 Speaker 2: eyes like that, and just see what people say. 224 00:10:14,784 --> 00:10:16,784 Speaker 1: We do hang out every night, so that's true. 225 00:10:16,824 --> 00:10:19,584 Speaker 2: It doesn't say anything our next step up in our relationship. 226 00:10:20,224 --> 00:10:23,584 Speaker 1: To take your mind back. So, Hugh Jackman and Broadway 227 00:10:23,584 --> 00:10:27,104 Speaker 1: star Sudden Foster, they were doing a musical together, The 228 00:10:27,224 --> 00:10:30,064 Speaker 1: Music Man. They were together from as in like professionally 229 00:10:30,104 --> 00:10:33,264 Speaker 1: together from December twenty twenty one to when it ended 230 00:10:33,304 --> 00:10:36,784 Speaker 1: in January twenty twenty three. There were some rumors that 231 00:10:36,824 --> 00:10:39,504 Speaker 1: there was an affair happening between the two of them, 232 00:10:39,984 --> 00:10:43,424 Speaker 1: and then in September twenty twenty three, Hugh Jackman announced 233 00:10:43,424 --> 00:10:47,544 Speaker 1: his separation from his wife, Debuly Furnace after twenty seven 234 00:10:47,624 --> 00:10:51,184 Speaker 1: years of being together. And then in October twenty twenty four, 235 00:10:51,504 --> 00:10:54,784 Speaker 1: Sudden Foster filed her divorce with her husband, Ted Griffin. 236 00:10:55,104 --> 00:10:57,304 Speaker 1: So everyone was kind of like, oh, they're definitely dating 237 00:10:57,344 --> 00:11:00,984 Speaker 1: now that they're both separated, But it was only recently 238 00:11:01,104 --> 00:11:03,904 Speaker 1: when they were both out on a date in California 239 00:11:03,944 --> 00:11:07,984 Speaker 1: that they were seen holding hands and smiling, smiling to 240 00:11:08,024 --> 00:11:10,824 Speaker 1: the cameras that the paparazzi cameras that were taking fred 241 00:11:10,864 --> 00:11:12,264 Speaker 1: A rash with them, and they looked very good. 242 00:11:12,624 --> 00:11:15,864 Speaker 2: They looked very good, which is a key to whether 243 00:11:15,904 --> 00:11:16,824 Speaker 2: they were staged or not. 244 00:11:17,184 --> 00:11:18,184 Speaker 1: Do you think it's too. 245 00:11:18,024 --> 00:11:20,944 Speaker 2: Soon, No, I mean these rumors have been out for Also. 246 00:11:21,024 --> 00:11:22,904 Speaker 2: The thing about this is that like everyone's jumping to 247 00:11:22,944 --> 00:11:24,984 Speaker 2: a lot of assumptions, but we have no idea of 248 00:11:24,984 --> 00:11:27,384 Speaker 2: the actual timeline. We know they were like in the 249 00:11:27,504 --> 00:11:29,024 Speaker 2: music Man and that was a huge thing, and that 250 00:11:29,104 --> 00:11:31,504 Speaker 2: we're in rehearsals for a long time. They've also known 251 00:11:31,544 --> 00:11:34,184 Speaker 2: each other for twenty years, so it's like they just 252 00:11:34,264 --> 00:11:36,304 Speaker 2: met on The Music Man. You look really shocked by that. 253 00:11:36,424 --> 00:11:38,304 Speaker 1: They've known each other for twenty now. 254 00:11:38,344 --> 00:11:40,904 Speaker 2: They're both in the broadway circuit like Sutton Foster was. 255 00:11:40,904 --> 00:11:42,464 Speaker 2: You know, she was a star of Younger and also 256 00:11:42,584 --> 00:11:44,704 Speaker 2: of the TV show bun Heads, which is great. But 257 00:11:45,424 --> 00:11:47,624 Speaker 2: more than that, she is known as a broadway star. 258 00:11:47,984 --> 00:11:49,864 Speaker 2: That's why I nearly lost my mind when I met 259 00:11:49,864 --> 00:11:51,424 Speaker 2: her once on a rooftop in New York and we 260 00:11:51,464 --> 00:11:52,944 Speaker 2: had a drink at a party. It's no big deal 261 00:11:53,224 --> 00:11:55,184 Speaker 2: because she is like one of the most famous Broadway 262 00:11:55,184 --> 00:11:57,064 Speaker 2: stars in the world, and that's how they knew each other. 263 00:11:57,424 --> 00:11:59,504 Speaker 2: But the thing is, we don't know the timeline of exactly, 264 00:11:59,544 --> 00:12:02,744 Speaker 2: like how long they were separated from their partners before 265 00:12:02,784 --> 00:12:05,744 Speaker 2: this all happened. We don't know when they're romance kicked off, 266 00:12:06,144 --> 00:12:08,344 Speaker 2: but it's been like over a year since they first 267 00:12:08,384 --> 00:12:10,944 Speaker 2: went into rehearsals for The Music Man, and so if 268 00:12:10,984 --> 00:12:13,304 Speaker 2: it's been since then, they've been secretly together for over 269 00:12:13,304 --> 00:12:16,384 Speaker 2: a year. Yeah, before having their first public moment, there 270 00:12:16,384 --> 00:12:18,104 Speaker 2: were signs leading up to it that it was going 271 00:12:18,184 --> 00:12:21,224 Speaker 2: to happen, most notably that she's performing in a new musical, 272 00:12:21,584 --> 00:12:25,424 Speaker 2: and he was photographed in the audience like applauding, taking photos. 273 00:12:25,504 --> 00:12:27,464 Speaker 1: He's been doing a Travis Kelsey. He's been at every 274 00:12:27,464 --> 00:12:29,344 Speaker 1: single one of her problem. Yeah, he was there every 275 00:12:29,424 --> 00:12:31,104 Speaker 1: night like that was a huge deal. So they were 276 00:12:31,144 --> 00:12:34,584 Speaker 1: sort of laying the groundwork and then these photos came out. 277 00:12:34,984 --> 00:12:37,944 Speaker 1: And I don't think every sort of sighting of celebrities 278 00:12:37,984 --> 00:12:39,744 Speaker 1: is staged, per se. I think a lot of the 279 00:12:39,744 --> 00:12:41,904 Speaker 1: time they just say like, we're gonna step out. We 280 00:12:41,944 --> 00:12:44,904 Speaker 1: know we're gonna get photographed, and that's fine. This felt 281 00:12:44,944 --> 00:12:47,304 Speaker 1: a little different because they're in La so it's not 282 00:12:47,344 --> 00:12:50,424 Speaker 1: a huge surprise that there'd be paparazzi around, but they 283 00:12:50,424 --> 00:12:53,184 Speaker 1: were a bit far from all the traditional hot spots 284 00:12:53,224 --> 00:12:55,464 Speaker 1: around there where you know how we saw those photos 285 00:12:55,504 --> 00:12:58,384 Speaker 1: of March Short and Meryl Street the other well. 286 00:12:58,424 --> 00:13:00,824 Speaker 2: They saw that they were like, you know what, me too, Yeah, 287 00:13:01,144 --> 00:13:02,864 Speaker 2: we're going to do that. But that wasn't a real 288 00:13:03,224 --> 00:13:05,504 Speaker 2: celebrity hot spot where like in front of the restaurant 289 00:13:05,544 --> 00:13:07,784 Speaker 2: they were at, like paparazzi line up there from early 290 00:13:07,824 --> 00:13:09,624 Speaker 2: in the afternoon to catch slops coming in and out. 291 00:13:09,664 --> 00:13:11,424 Speaker 2: So if you go there, you kind of know the 292 00:13:11,464 --> 00:13:12,224 Speaker 2: photos are going to get. 293 00:13:12,224 --> 00:13:14,304 Speaker 1: If you want to be photographed by a paparazzi, go there. 294 00:13:14,384 --> 00:13:15,904 Speaker 2: Yeah, Merritt was like, I know where to go, don't 295 00:13:15,904 --> 00:13:18,424 Speaker 2: worry about it. But this time they were like a 296 00:13:18,464 --> 00:13:21,624 Speaker 2: bit further away from like the big bustling restaurants. They 297 00:13:21,624 --> 00:13:24,984 Speaker 2: were in like a very quiet area. And the photos 298 00:13:25,024 --> 00:13:28,704 Speaker 2: are so beautifully photographed in stage. It looks like they 299 00:13:28,744 --> 00:13:31,864 Speaker 2: look so relaxed. They look I mean, Sutton Foster, you 300 00:13:31,904 --> 00:13:35,984 Speaker 2: look Topp Tier, the long coat and the heels smiling together, 301 00:13:36,024 --> 00:13:39,144 Speaker 2: they're walking slowly. You can so tell with celebrity photos 302 00:13:39,464 --> 00:13:42,704 Speaker 2: if they're photographed at quite a bad angle, they look shocked, 303 00:13:42,784 --> 00:13:46,304 Speaker 2: like even celebrities can photograph very badly if they're surprised. 304 00:13:46,864 --> 00:13:49,584 Speaker 2: Whereas these guys, you know, they looked very stage. They 305 00:13:49,584 --> 00:13:52,384 Speaker 2: look very comfortable, and especially like Sutton's not a very 306 00:13:52,424 --> 00:13:55,504 Speaker 2: big paparazzi well neither few but her, especially like she's 307 00:13:55,544 --> 00:13:58,184 Speaker 2: on a big paparazzi person. It's hard to know that 308 00:13:58,264 --> 00:14:00,744 Speaker 2: if they were getting photos taken that close up, because 309 00:14:00,744 --> 00:14:02,904 Speaker 2: they very they're not long lands, they're very close up, 310 00:14:03,104 --> 00:14:05,984 Speaker 2: that she would look that calm and relaxed. And the 311 00:14:06,064 --> 00:14:09,504 Speaker 2: other thing is that the photos were exclusively released by People, 312 00:14:09,864 --> 00:14:13,664 Speaker 2: and Foster and Hugh Jackman both have especially Sutain, have 313 00:14:13,904 --> 00:14:17,384 Speaker 2: like a long history of releasing like exclusives or like 314 00:14:17,464 --> 00:14:21,064 Speaker 2: private details about their lives with People magazine because there's 315 00:14:21,064 --> 00:14:22,944 Speaker 2: that kind of like behind the scenes level of trust 316 00:14:22,984 --> 00:14:24,864 Speaker 2: they have with a lot of celebrities. So if it 317 00:14:24,904 --> 00:14:29,864 Speaker 2: was TMZ, i'd say not staged beautiful photos with People magazine. Yeah, 318 00:14:29,904 --> 00:14:30,944 Speaker 2: just slightly stick. 319 00:14:30,944 --> 00:14:33,424 Speaker 1: Great lighting, great lighting, dark. 320 00:14:33,704 --> 00:14:36,384 Speaker 2: Well, they're probably like they wanted to control the narrative 321 00:14:36,424 --> 00:14:38,064 Speaker 2: a bit, like they knew they were going to start. 322 00:14:38,264 --> 00:14:40,104 Speaker 2: You know, they've been hidden away, which goes to show 323 00:14:40,144 --> 00:14:41,384 Speaker 2: that like if you don't want to be seen, you 324 00:14:41,384 --> 00:14:43,544 Speaker 2: don't have to be seen. They've been hidden away for 325 00:14:43,584 --> 00:14:45,584 Speaker 2: so long. They've made the decision now they're going to 326 00:14:45,584 --> 00:14:47,504 Speaker 2: start going to each other's events. So they wanted to 327 00:14:47,544 --> 00:14:50,024 Speaker 2: control the first photos that came out, because what if 328 00:14:50,064 --> 00:14:51,744 Speaker 2: you got one of them like kind of scurrying out 329 00:14:51,824 --> 00:14:54,344 Speaker 2: of the back of it, you know, Broadway after party. 330 00:14:54,384 --> 00:14:56,224 Speaker 2: They could look flussed, they could look you know, they 331 00:14:56,224 --> 00:14:58,344 Speaker 2: could look angry, Like it just takes one photo for 332 00:14:58,384 --> 00:15:01,024 Speaker 2: the narrative to be set in a very negative way. 333 00:15:01,304 --> 00:15:03,904 Speaker 1: And I think when they're like scurrying happens, Yeah, and 334 00:15:03,944 --> 00:15:06,904 Speaker 1: trying to hide. I think that's what also keeps fueling 335 00:15:07,024 --> 00:15:08,064 Speaker 1: the cheating rumors. 336 00:15:08,224 --> 00:15:10,584 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's exactly right. Like if they I had 337 00:15:10,624 --> 00:15:15,704 Speaker 2: looked really guilty and sneaky, it would have for that relationship. 338 00:15:15,744 --> 00:15:17,984 Speaker 2: But when these photos came out, like everyone, like a 339 00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:20,424 Speaker 2: few people were commenting angry things online, but most people 340 00:15:20,504 --> 00:15:22,264 Speaker 2: like just what we just said. We've been taken in 341 00:15:22,304 --> 00:15:22,544 Speaker 2: by it. 342 00:15:22,664 --> 00:15:24,584 Speaker 1: They look beautiful, they look so happy. 343 00:15:25,064 --> 00:15:27,624 Speaker 2: It's a very clever way to launch their relationship. 344 00:15:27,744 --> 00:15:31,304 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like as an Australian, Yeah, no one 345 00:15:31,304 --> 00:15:33,344 Speaker 1: else in the world is thinking this. The minute I 346 00:15:33,384 --> 00:15:35,664 Speaker 1: saw those photos, yes, I thought they were gorgeous, but 347 00:15:35,864 --> 00:15:38,224 Speaker 1: all I could think about was Deborah lee Finess. 348 00:15:38,744 --> 00:15:41,144 Speaker 2: Yes, and that's the hard thing about this is that 349 00:15:41,544 --> 00:15:44,704 Speaker 2: my heart like low Ki Rogan, I know. But that's 350 00:15:44,704 --> 00:15:46,144 Speaker 2: the thing is that this is not something I've been 351 00:15:46,144 --> 00:15:48,704 Speaker 2: talking to my friends about. We've been assigning this narrative 352 00:15:48,744 --> 00:15:51,504 Speaker 2: to her, that she's the jilted other woman, that she 353 00:15:51,624 --> 00:15:53,784 Speaker 2: was cheated on, that she's the victim, and also maybe 354 00:15:53,824 --> 00:15:56,584 Speaker 2: she is, like her friend did put out that, you know, 355 00:15:56,624 --> 00:15:59,024 Speaker 2: remember that statement. Her friend commented and was like this 356 00:15:59,104 --> 00:16:01,104 Speaker 2: is all Yeah, this has all happened without deb knowing, 357 00:16:01,144 --> 00:16:04,424 Speaker 2: and she's upset. Remember that happened. And then Deborah like 358 00:16:04,464 --> 00:16:07,584 Speaker 2: accidentally or maybe didn't realize is public like to comment 359 00:16:07,704 --> 00:16:10,304 Speaker 2: supporting her. So there've been a few little telltales. Sign 360 00:16:10,544 --> 00:16:12,424 Speaker 2: have been a few sources saying, like, you know, a 361 00:16:12,504 --> 00:16:15,784 Speaker 2: source close to Deborah says that she's shocked and heartbroken. 362 00:16:15,824 --> 00:16:17,464 Speaker 2: But the thing is, we don't know for sure, Like 363 00:16:17,504 --> 00:16:19,264 Speaker 2: we don't know if they were separated for a really 364 00:16:19,304 --> 00:16:21,144 Speaker 2: long time. We don't know if she was the one 365 00:16:21,144 --> 00:16:22,984 Speaker 2: who was like I'm out of here, you know what 366 00:16:22,984 --> 00:16:25,424 Speaker 2: I mean, Like we've just assigned this narrative because you've 367 00:16:25,424 --> 00:16:28,424 Speaker 2: got Hugh out either partying with Ryan Reynolds and Taylor 368 00:16:28,464 --> 00:16:32,064 Speaker 2: Swift or now walking around with like this beautiful, successful woman. 369 00:16:32,544 --> 00:16:34,544 Speaker 2: Everyone's saying that he's kind of the winner and she's 370 00:16:34,584 --> 00:16:37,264 Speaker 2: the poor, broken, jilted woman because we don't know that 371 00:16:37,464 --> 00:16:37,864 Speaker 2: is true. 372 00:16:37,864 --> 00:16:40,384 Speaker 1: But like the stuff that he's doing, like especially with 373 00:16:40,464 --> 00:16:43,504 Speaker 1: like Wilverine Deadpool, like out with all of these like 374 00:16:43,544 --> 00:16:47,064 Speaker 1: a less celebrities, also younger celebrities. Yeah, it feels like 375 00:16:47,824 --> 00:16:50,784 Speaker 1: the metaphorical chain has broken and he's allowed to do 376 00:16:50,944 --> 00:16:53,024 Speaker 1: like quote unquote allowed to do all of these times. Yeah, 377 00:16:53,144 --> 00:16:54,784 Speaker 1: that's well, she's at home, stuck in. 378 00:16:54,744 --> 00:16:57,744 Speaker 2: Australia exactly, and that's me because she's not as public 379 00:16:57,744 --> 00:17:00,224 Speaker 2: a person as him, and it's be very strange for her. 380 00:17:00,264 --> 00:17:01,984 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe she'll do a tell all interview, but 381 00:17:02,024 --> 00:17:04,944 Speaker 2: I'd say probably not, and a lot about a memoir 382 00:17:05,504 --> 00:17:07,824 Speaker 2: maybe potentially. Or she was also very active in a 383 00:17:07,864 --> 00:17:09,504 Speaker 2: lot of charity, so if she's doing like a big 384 00:17:09,504 --> 00:17:11,104 Speaker 2: cover story for a ch already, she might have a 385 00:17:11,104 --> 00:17:13,424 Speaker 2: few well placed quotes in there. But I don't think 386 00:17:13,424 --> 00:17:15,224 Speaker 2: she's the type of person to do like a bit 387 00:17:15,264 --> 00:17:17,344 Speaker 2: of a tell all and talk about her heartbreaks. And 388 00:17:17,584 --> 00:17:19,424 Speaker 2: we'll never really know. But I just think it was 389 00:17:19,464 --> 00:17:21,944 Speaker 2: interesting how quickly we jumped to like assigning her as 390 00:17:22,024 --> 00:17:24,064 Speaker 2: like the poor victim. She might be partying it up 391 00:17:24,104 --> 00:17:26,424 Speaker 2: somewhere being like true, but that man loose he was 392 00:17:26,424 --> 00:17:29,224 Speaker 2: always singing around the house, was so annoying, so happy 393 00:17:29,264 --> 00:17:33,464 Speaker 2: to be free of him. So the other news story 394 00:17:33,544 --> 00:17:35,944 Speaker 2: or set of news stories, I'm using news very loosely. 395 00:17:35,984 --> 00:17:38,064 Speaker 2: There news in our world that have been bubbling away 396 00:17:38,104 --> 00:17:40,024 Speaker 2: over the last couple of weeks that we need to 397 00:17:40,024 --> 00:17:44,904 Speaker 2: discuss is the number of celebrity breakups that's been so many, 398 00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:47,584 Speaker 2: so many so had. 399 00:17:47,424 --> 00:17:50,424 Speaker 1: To happen when we were busying partying at the beach. 400 00:17:50,664 --> 00:17:53,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the whole party at the beach, I don't 401 00:17:53,104 --> 00:17:54,784 Speaker 2: know you. I was like in the suburbs of Brisbane 402 00:17:54,824 --> 00:17:56,264 Speaker 2: with my nephews jumping all over me. 403 00:17:56,304 --> 00:17:58,704 Speaker 1: But yeah, I was scolding at everyone's cabanas, and then 404 00:17:58,704 --> 00:18:00,224 Speaker 1: I got in trouble for writing about how much I 405 00:18:00,264 --> 00:18:01,144 Speaker 1: hate cabaness. 406 00:18:01,224 --> 00:18:03,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got some enemies, a lot of enemies anyway. 407 00:18:04,064 --> 00:18:06,144 Speaker 2: So what we're trying to say is that our holiday 408 00:18:06,184 --> 00:18:10,104 Speaker 2: was personally affected. But a number of celebrity breakups that happened. 409 00:18:10,384 --> 00:18:11,784 Speaker 2: I'll just go down the list we have because there's 410 00:18:11,784 --> 00:18:14,024 Speaker 2: a lot of big ones. Again, this one shocked me. 411 00:18:14,144 --> 00:18:15,704 Speaker 2: Jessica Albert and Cash Warren. 412 00:18:16,144 --> 00:18:19,024 Speaker 1: Yeah massive that they've been together for ever. 413 00:18:19,104 --> 00:18:21,904 Speaker 2: They've been together for sixteen years. And also they have 414 00:18:22,024 --> 00:18:24,664 Speaker 2: two daughters and a son. All their names start with H, 415 00:18:24,744 --> 00:18:26,704 Speaker 2: which I think is cute. And one of her daughters 416 00:18:26,744 --> 00:18:28,784 Speaker 2: is named Haven because she was born in like her sack. 417 00:18:28,864 --> 00:18:29,584 Speaker 2: Why do I know that? 418 00:18:30,424 --> 00:18:33,304 Speaker 1: Oh did she birth the sack? That's quite rare. That's 419 00:18:33,304 --> 00:18:35,144 Speaker 1: what she's here from working at Mama, and I know 420 00:18:35,264 --> 00:18:36,224 Speaker 1: that's a very rare. 421 00:18:36,664 --> 00:18:38,504 Speaker 2: So she came into the world and her haven, so 422 00:18:38,504 --> 00:18:41,184 Speaker 2: they named her haven. I hate having a photographic memory 423 00:18:41,224 --> 00:18:43,824 Speaker 2: sometimes because I'll never that fact is going to burg 424 00:18:43,864 --> 00:18:44,344 Speaker 2: into my brain. 425 00:18:44,504 --> 00:18:45,584 Speaker 1: Don't look up what that looks like. 426 00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:48,544 Speaker 2: It's no, I don't want to see it anyway. Why 427 00:18:48,584 --> 00:18:51,224 Speaker 2: this is interesting is that Jessica Alba when she became 428 00:18:51,504 --> 00:18:53,664 Speaker 2: very famous at like I think she was seventeen, and 429 00:18:53,744 --> 00:18:55,704 Speaker 2: then started filming a lot of big shows at eighteen. 430 00:18:55,984 --> 00:18:58,024 Speaker 2: I remember because she's on Dark Angel, which was an 431 00:18:58,064 --> 00:18:59,944 Speaker 2: incredible sci fi show that I was obsessed with. 432 00:18:59,984 --> 00:19:03,664 Speaker 1: She in Fantastic four, well, yo, that came. 433 00:19:03,944 --> 00:19:07,264 Speaker 2: That came later, But she was very infamously engaged to 434 00:19:07,544 --> 00:19:10,464 Speaker 2: her Dark Angel coast Michael Weatherley, who went on Me 435 00:19:10,544 --> 00:19:12,984 Speaker 2: and NCIS and talked about the fact that she just 436 00:19:12,984 --> 00:19:14,904 Speaker 2: came into Hollywood and met this older man who was 437 00:19:14,944 --> 00:19:17,024 Speaker 2: her love interest. He was like, We're getting married, and 438 00:19:17,024 --> 00:19:19,384 Speaker 2: she was like okay, didn't really know what to do. 439 00:19:19,424 --> 00:19:21,104 Speaker 2: And then when their relationship broke up, and then she 440 00:19:21,144 --> 00:19:23,744 Speaker 2: had a horrible time in Hollywood on Fantastic four, where 441 00:19:23,744 --> 00:19:25,304 Speaker 2: they told her not to cry because she would look 442 00:19:25,344 --> 00:19:27,624 Speaker 2: too ugly and they would see Gi in the tears. Later, 443 00:19:28,624 --> 00:19:31,224 Speaker 2: she stepped away from Hollywood from a long time, went 444 00:19:31,264 --> 00:19:34,744 Speaker 2: and built her billion dollar lifestyle empire and married Cash 445 00:19:34,824 --> 00:19:37,184 Speaker 2: and he was even though he's like a very you know, successful, 446 00:19:37,184 --> 00:19:39,784 Speaker 2: good looking man because he's not an actor, was kind 447 00:19:39,784 --> 00:19:42,104 Speaker 2: of seen as her stepping away from Hollywood and having 448 00:19:42,104 --> 00:19:45,784 Speaker 2: this very anti famous marriage, even though they've been like 449 00:19:45,904 --> 00:19:48,344 Speaker 2: very public with their love story over the years, but 450 00:19:48,584 --> 00:19:50,184 Speaker 2: in the last couple of months or even the last 451 00:19:50,224 --> 00:19:52,704 Speaker 2: few years, she's talked about like going through the roommate 452 00:19:52,784 --> 00:19:54,864 Speaker 2: stage with him and how hard it is when you 453 00:19:54,984 --> 00:19:57,744 Speaker 2: just become like co parents and like almost like business 454 00:19:57,784 --> 00:20:01,704 Speaker 2: partners and the marriage side of your like the romantic 455 00:20:01,744 --> 00:20:04,704 Speaker 2: side of your relationship goes away. And so when they 456 00:20:04,744 --> 00:20:07,304 Speaker 2: announced their split, So when news came out that there 457 00:20:07,344 --> 00:20:10,624 Speaker 2: split had happened, which they haven't said anything, I think 458 00:20:10,704 --> 00:20:12,424 Speaker 2: is important to note, but I feel like. 459 00:20:12,424 --> 00:20:16,584 Speaker 1: Something was brewing though, because she did that Netflix Movieger Warning, 460 00:20:16,744 --> 00:20:18,104 Speaker 1: and I felt like it was the first time in 461 00:20:18,264 --> 00:20:21,424 Speaker 1: ages that we've seen her not only in a big movie, 462 00:20:21,424 --> 00:20:23,344 Speaker 1: but like one of those blockbuster actioning one. 463 00:20:23,384 --> 00:20:25,864 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, She's stepping back into acting now, which I 464 00:20:25,864 --> 00:20:27,904 Speaker 2: love because, as they said, big fan. So they haven't 465 00:20:27,904 --> 00:20:30,184 Speaker 2: confirmed it, but it's been confirmed by a number of outlets, 466 00:20:30,184 --> 00:20:33,024 Speaker 2: and she's quite active on Instagram in particular, and so 467 00:20:33,224 --> 00:20:34,784 Speaker 2: I feel like if it wasn't true, she would have 468 00:20:34,784 --> 00:20:36,584 Speaker 2: said something by now. But it's been a while. So 469 00:20:36,624 --> 00:20:40,024 Speaker 2: we had then, and then we had Austin Butler and Kayagerber. 470 00:20:41,464 --> 00:20:43,984 Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were together for like three years. Yeah, 471 00:20:44,064 --> 00:20:45,464 Speaker 1: it felt like two seconds. 472 00:20:45,584 --> 00:20:48,344 Speaker 2: It's so weird. They're ten years apart, which I guess 473 00:20:48,344 --> 00:20:50,984 Speaker 2: in Hollywood is just normal. But I he was with 474 00:20:51,064 --> 00:20:53,304 Speaker 2: Vanessa Hudgens for a really long time, remember that. And 475 00:20:53,344 --> 00:20:56,504 Speaker 2: there are those viral pictures of Vanessa meeting Kaya, and 476 00:20:56,544 --> 00:20:59,184 Speaker 2: like Vanessa looks like this fully formed woman who's on 477 00:20:59,184 --> 00:21:01,664 Speaker 2: the red carp and period. Yeah, it's like leaning up 478 00:21:01,704 --> 00:21:03,664 Speaker 2: to shake her hand as child, and it's just like 479 00:21:03,704 --> 00:21:05,984 Speaker 2: when you kind of know what's happening. But I think he. 480 00:21:06,024 --> 00:21:08,904 Speaker 1: Also had like got a huge brunt for like how 481 00:21:09,144 --> 00:21:12,824 Speaker 1: Vanessa was the one who pushed him to do Elvis. Yeah, 482 00:21:13,064 --> 00:21:16,304 Speaker 1: and he never like thanked her congratulated her publicly. Yeah. 483 00:21:16,384 --> 00:21:18,024 Speaker 2: Well, she told the story of how I was singing 484 00:21:18,064 --> 00:21:19,384 Speaker 2: on the car and she said to him when she 485 00:21:19,424 --> 00:21:21,704 Speaker 2: heard his voice, like you should play Elvis, not knowing 486 00:21:21,824 --> 00:21:24,464 Speaker 2: the voice. Drama she was going to unleash on the world. 487 00:21:24,944 --> 00:21:26,664 Speaker 2: And then he did an interview and said, oh, a 488 00:21:26,744 --> 00:21:29,064 Speaker 2: friend of mine, yeah, suggested I play Elvis, And the 489 00:21:29,104 --> 00:21:32,504 Speaker 2: fans just tore that man down, saying, how dare you 490 00:21:32,544 --> 00:21:34,624 Speaker 2: call her a friend your partner of many years? 491 00:21:34,664 --> 00:21:37,584 Speaker 1: Because they were together when he was I guess unlucky 492 00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:39,464 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, right, like he was trying and I think 493 00:21:39,504 --> 00:21:42,264 Speaker 1: it was only he said Denzel Washington who really pushed him, 494 00:21:43,224 --> 00:21:45,544 Speaker 1: Denzil because they were in Broadway together. Yeah, but she 495 00:21:45,704 --> 00:21:47,544 Speaker 1: was with him during his whole like Disney and the 496 00:21:47,584 --> 00:21:49,744 Speaker 1: Gladi instances where he wasn't even like a main character 497 00:21:49,744 --> 00:21:52,424 Speaker 1: but like a love interest. It was like a sharatio 498 00:21:52,784 --> 00:21:55,904 Speaker 1: and she was the famous one in their relationship. 499 00:21:55,304 --> 00:21:57,504 Speaker 2: Because I met through Ashley Tisdale. Right. Yeah, there's a 500 00:21:57,544 --> 00:21:59,824 Speaker 2: lot of drama there that she's not friends with Vanessa anymore, 501 00:21:59,824 --> 00:22:02,504 Speaker 2: but she's friends with Austin, who is her child's like godmother. 502 00:22:02,784 --> 00:22:06,664 Speaker 1: Very Disney drama, Disney drama crazy. But that viral video 503 00:22:06,904 --> 00:22:09,464 Speaker 1: of after Elvis, I think he was at an award 504 00:22:09,504 --> 00:22:11,704 Speaker 1: show where there were crowds of people in the street 505 00:22:11,824 --> 00:22:14,544 Speaker 1: like yelling his name, and he was standing on stairs waving, 506 00:22:14,984 --> 00:22:18,104 Speaker 1: and she saw him and then walked straight past, and 507 00:22:18,144 --> 00:22:22,104 Speaker 1: then he watched her. Yeah, yeah, my heart. I love 508 00:22:22,144 --> 00:22:24,584 Speaker 1: them as a couple so much. Yeah, because they were 509 00:22:24,624 --> 00:22:27,744 Speaker 1: like the stars I grew up with. Yeah, Vanessa Hudgens was. 510 00:22:27,784 --> 00:22:29,544 Speaker 1: And then I remember Austin on Zoe one on one 511 00:22:30,184 --> 00:22:32,544 Speaker 1: in Montana, and I was like, oh my god, it's 512 00:22:32,584 --> 00:22:36,464 Speaker 1: great that he's getting famous now. And then the relationship ended, 513 00:22:36,744 --> 00:22:38,864 Speaker 1: and then I was like, kay Gourban, Kay Goerber, seems 514 00:22:38,904 --> 00:22:40,784 Speaker 1: like such a funny person, Like she's really close with 515 00:22:40,864 --> 00:22:41,624 Speaker 1: Iowa Derberry. 516 00:22:41,864 --> 00:22:44,344 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm tim Kaya now. After she was in Bottoms, 517 00:22:44,504 --> 00:22:47,624 Speaker 2: she's she's so funny in that movie. She's so funny 518 00:22:47,664 --> 00:22:49,504 Speaker 2: doing the promo, and I was like, Okay, yes, you're 519 00:22:49,544 --> 00:22:52,384 Speaker 2: the ultimate Nefo baby, Yes you look beautiful, but you're 520 00:22:52,384 --> 00:22:55,584 Speaker 2: also a funny girl. So he's got a personality moving on. 521 00:22:55,704 --> 00:22:57,544 Speaker 2: We could do an episode just all these couples. 522 00:22:57,424 --> 00:23:01,024 Speaker 1: Naomi, Osaka and korde So. I didn't know that Naomi 523 00:23:01,344 --> 00:23:04,304 Speaker 1: actually shared a child with Corda, but they were together 524 00:23:04,424 --> 00:23:07,824 Speaker 1: for a really long time. They were together for five years, 525 00:23:08,264 --> 00:23:11,224 Speaker 1: and then she announced her split only one week ago. 526 00:23:11,584 --> 00:23:13,784 Speaker 1: She said that there's no bad blood between them and 527 00:23:13,824 --> 00:23:18,064 Speaker 1: that he's an awesome dad to their child. But I 528 00:23:18,104 --> 00:23:21,944 Speaker 1: don't understand why there's like so many breakups all just 529 00:23:21,984 --> 00:23:23,464 Speaker 1: happening together. 530 00:23:24,024 --> 00:23:26,424 Speaker 2: Yes, well I do have an answer to that. I 531 00:23:26,464 --> 00:23:28,344 Speaker 2: also just want to throw one in which hurts only 532 00:23:28,344 --> 00:23:31,784 Speaker 2: a particular group of people, which is Brandon Roth and 533 00:23:31,944 --> 00:23:35,864 Speaker 2: Courtney Ford. If your people ask, how dare you so? 534 00:23:35,944 --> 00:23:38,664 Speaker 2: Brandon Roth was into Supereatman movies, but then he's he 535 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:41,104 Speaker 2: was Superman. Yeah, he was Superman. The ones with Kate 536 00:23:41,144 --> 00:23:43,024 Speaker 2: bos were and I can't even if I said the names, 537 00:23:43,024 --> 00:23:45,264 Speaker 2: and people like, we don't know which Soupman movies many 538 00:23:45,344 --> 00:23:47,544 Speaker 2: years ago. Then his career kind of petered out, but 539 00:23:47,544 --> 00:23:49,704 Speaker 2: he started doing a lot of TV. Courtney's one of 540 00:23:49,744 --> 00:23:51,664 Speaker 2: those actresses when you see her face, you're like, oh, 541 00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:55,464 Speaker 2: that girl, she's in everything. She's you know, dexter parenthood. 542 00:23:55,624 --> 00:23:56,384 Speaker 2: How I met your mother? 543 00:23:56,464 --> 00:23:58,624 Speaker 1: Like she's what I know exactly who she is? Yeah? 544 00:23:58,664 --> 00:24:01,384 Speaker 2: Yeah? Who? Just so the reason that I'm quite invested 545 00:24:01,424 --> 00:24:03,664 Speaker 2: in this is that one. They've been together for seventeen, 546 00:24:03,744 --> 00:24:07,584 Speaker 2: well twenty one years together seventeen years married and Brandon, 547 00:24:07,624 --> 00:24:09,424 Speaker 2: once he had his kind of fall from grace from 548 00:24:09,424 --> 00:24:11,584 Speaker 2: being a movie star, became one of the stars. And 549 00:24:11,584 --> 00:24:13,904 Speaker 2: one of my favorite TV shows Legends of Tomorrow, which 550 00:24:13,944 --> 00:24:15,504 Speaker 2: is one of the DC series. 551 00:24:15,624 --> 00:24:17,704 Speaker 1: And it's such a bad series. 552 00:24:18,104 --> 00:24:19,984 Speaker 2: Hey have you watched It's a great series. 553 00:24:19,984 --> 00:24:20,944 Speaker 1: I watched it. 554 00:24:21,104 --> 00:24:23,904 Speaker 2: Anyway, He's fantastic in it, and he was an arrow 555 00:24:23,904 --> 00:24:26,504 Speaker 2: before that, and I love that whole yea yes. And 556 00:24:26,544 --> 00:24:29,704 Speaker 2: then Courtney was on Legends of Tomorrow with him because 557 00:24:29,704 --> 00:24:31,504 Speaker 2: they'd be married for so long, so she come up 558 00:24:31,824 --> 00:24:34,384 Speaker 2: as well, and then I say, everyone's on Legends Tomorrow, 559 00:24:34,464 --> 00:24:36,304 Speaker 2: and then they got married on the show, which was 560 00:24:36,384 --> 00:24:38,544 Speaker 2: quite cute. So I think fans of like the DC 561 00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:42,184 Speaker 2: universe are very upset. And also they released a statement 562 00:24:42,224 --> 00:24:44,504 Speaker 2: and they were like, this feels so stupid to say 563 00:24:44,544 --> 00:24:47,464 Speaker 2: when LA's on fire and they were like evacuating their home, 564 00:24:47,904 --> 00:24:51,184 Speaker 2: but the news of their divorce filing leaked while there, 565 00:24:51,304 --> 00:24:54,384 Speaker 2: like while their hoouse was about to burn down, so 566 00:24:54,544 --> 00:24:56,184 Speaker 2: as they were leaving the house, they then had to 567 00:24:56,224 --> 00:24:59,504 Speaker 2: sort of put a statement out. And it's interesting becausey're hopeful. 568 00:24:59,584 --> 00:25:01,664 Speaker 2: The whole statement is like this is so stupid, like 569 00:25:01,704 --> 00:25:04,024 Speaker 2: all of our friends homes on fire, our homes on fire. 570 00:25:04,424 --> 00:25:06,904 Speaker 2: We're getting all these calls about our marriage ending. Like 571 00:25:06,944 --> 00:25:08,864 Speaker 2: it's just not like And then like, we also know 572 00:25:08,864 --> 00:25:11,104 Speaker 2: that you guys probably don't care because of all the 573 00:25:11,144 --> 00:25:13,104 Speaker 2: stuff that's happening, So we kind of hate that this 574 00:25:13,184 --> 00:25:16,144 Speaker 2: is even being talked about. But yes, that's all the 575 00:25:16,144 --> 00:25:18,984 Speaker 2: celebrity breakups that have been announced. And this happens a lot, 576 00:25:18,984 --> 00:25:20,904 Speaker 2: you know how like every year, there's a point and 577 00:25:20,904 --> 00:25:23,184 Speaker 2: it usually happens over the summer holidays where people start 578 00:25:23,184 --> 00:25:25,744 Speaker 2: saying running those articles like love is dead, love is 579 00:25:25,784 --> 00:25:29,264 Speaker 2: over the seasons of breakups. And it's not a coincidence 580 00:25:29,304 --> 00:25:33,344 Speaker 2: that celebrity breakups get announced, whether it's through like sources, 581 00:25:33,384 --> 00:25:36,704 Speaker 2: to publications or statements, that they get announced in groups. 582 00:25:36,864 --> 00:25:38,864 Speaker 2: And that's because and a lot of publiciers have gone 583 00:25:38,944 --> 00:25:40,944 Speaker 2: on the record about this. They haven't sort of like 584 00:25:41,064 --> 00:25:43,864 Speaker 2: named particular couples, but a lot of pr and publicity 585 00:25:43,904 --> 00:25:46,384 Speaker 2: people who work for celebrities and who work in that 586 00:25:46,464 --> 00:25:50,584 Speaker 2: kind of entertainment industry are often managing multiple people within 587 00:25:50,624 --> 00:25:52,304 Speaker 2: the industry, so they might have like a whole bunch 588 00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:55,544 Speaker 2: of movie and TV stars on their payrolls, they're working 589 00:25:55,544 --> 00:25:58,664 Speaker 2: with them about how to roll out their announcements about 590 00:25:58,704 --> 00:26:01,664 Speaker 2: their divorce, particularly if it's two very famous people who 591 00:26:01,704 --> 00:26:04,784 Speaker 2: are announcing their separation and you're gonna get publicity from 592 00:26:04,784 --> 00:26:07,784 Speaker 2: both of their fan groups, and what the publicers often 593 00:26:07,824 --> 00:26:10,024 Speaker 2: do is that they'll batch them together and release them 594 00:26:10,064 --> 00:26:13,224 Speaker 2: all one go over Christmas. It doesn't happen as much now, 595 00:26:13,224 --> 00:26:15,864 Speaker 2: but Christmas obviously used to be like the summer holidays. 596 00:26:16,024 --> 00:26:18,344 Speaker 2: Newsrooms were slower, they didn't have as many people on. 597 00:26:18,784 --> 00:26:20,904 Speaker 2: You'd have to wait a while for like print publications 598 00:26:20,904 --> 00:26:22,864 Speaker 2: to come out, So sometimes you can kind of soften 599 00:26:22,904 --> 00:26:25,024 Speaker 2: the blow. Now, not as much because it just takes 600 00:26:25,024 --> 00:26:27,624 Speaker 2: on a whole life online, but if you batch them 601 00:26:27,624 --> 00:26:30,344 Speaker 2: all together, it kind of splits the difference between the 602 00:26:30,384 --> 00:26:33,224 Speaker 2: coverage and people like, oh, this breakup, I know this one, 603 00:26:33,224 --> 00:26:34,864 Speaker 2: all this one, so you're not delving into like did 604 00:26:34,864 --> 00:26:35,664 Speaker 2: this person cheap and. 605 00:26:35,624 --> 00:26:38,464 Speaker 1: We're not spending like a week analyzing like similar to 606 00:26:38,624 --> 00:26:41,544 Speaker 1: Angelina and Brad Pitt, like the news of their settlement 607 00:26:41,664 --> 00:26:45,024 Speaker 1: and how I guess on every other day of the year, 608 00:26:45,064 --> 00:26:47,184 Speaker 1: we'd spend like I guess a week dissecting all of 609 00:26:47,184 --> 00:26:50,464 Speaker 1: that and understanding that. But like now with everyone else. 610 00:26:50,664 --> 00:26:53,064 Speaker 2: You're just like Lively filing her lawsuits which we get 611 00:26:53,104 --> 00:26:54,664 Speaker 2: to it, which we will get to because I think 612 00:26:54,704 --> 00:26:57,024 Speaker 2: that's our job just before Christmas Eve, Like, there's a 613 00:26:57,024 --> 00:26:59,384 Speaker 2: lot of different factors happening here. But yeah, often you'll 614 00:26:59,424 --> 00:27:01,984 Speaker 2: see a lot of celebrity breakups announced in one go, 615 00:27:02,504 --> 00:27:04,224 Speaker 2: and it's not a mistake. It's just them trying to 616 00:27:04,224 --> 00:27:07,144 Speaker 2: control the cycle and distract us and batch it all together. 617 00:27:07,264 --> 00:27:09,104 Speaker 1: Which did you didn't get us? 618 00:27:09,104 --> 00:27:12,424 Speaker 2: Thought, Okay, the thing is like a few of these, Like, 619 00:27:12,464 --> 00:27:14,664 Speaker 2: we've just done all of those in one go. Potentially 620 00:27:14,744 --> 00:27:16,144 Speaker 2: if they had been spread out, we would have done 621 00:27:16,144 --> 00:27:18,384 Speaker 2: an episode in one couple, an episode another, So we've 622 00:27:18,384 --> 00:27:19,264 Speaker 2: batched them all together. 623 00:27:19,424 --> 00:27:21,544 Speaker 1: They were just taking away our content. Thank you so 624 00:27:21,664 --> 00:27:24,584 Speaker 1: much for listening to The Spill today. If you missed it, 625 00:27:24,744 --> 00:27:28,744 Speaker 1: we actually did two big Golden Globe episodes that were live. 626 00:27:29,024 --> 00:27:31,224 Speaker 1: We talked about the biggest moments you would have missed 627 00:27:31,224 --> 00:27:33,144 Speaker 1: that you probably haven't seen in your socials. We'll put 628 00:27:33,144 --> 00:27:35,744 Speaker 1: a link to those episodes in our show notes, or 629 00:27:35,784 --> 00:27:37,864 Speaker 1: you can just scroll back and have a listen yourself. 630 00:27:38,184 --> 00:27:40,784 Speaker 1: The Spill is produced by Kimberly Bradish with sound production 631 00:27:40,824 --> 00:27:42,624 Speaker 1: by Scott Stronik, and we will be back here in 632 00:27:42,664 --> 00:27:44,624 Speaker 1: your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 633 00:27:44,824 --> 00:27:51,424 Speaker 2: Bye bye