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Speaker 1: Twins Underscore Thoughts, so you can follow along there too. Hello.
Speaker 1: I am Jesse Stevens. I'm Claire Stevens. Hello, and we
Speaker 1: cannot emphasize enough that this is not a neuroscience lecture
Speaker 1: right now, is it? No? If you thought it was,
Speaker 1: we're very sorry because this is the opposite. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: going to get dumber by sitting here. I think we
Speaker 1: know this building though, don't we. Yes, we had all
Speaker 1: sorts of lectures in here, and what we learned here
Speaker 1: was research skills. We can synthesize information. We know how
Speaker 1: to footnote things like TikTok videos, unsubstantiated celebrity gossip. We
Speaker 1: also know how to forge a medical certificate. Because our
Speaker 1: assignment is three days late because we procrastinated by accident.
Speaker 1: That is a joke for legal purposes. We would never.
Speaker 1: We would never. We are everything that our lecturers dreamed
Speaker 1: that we would be. We are hosts of a comedy
Speaker 1: pop culture podcast that examines the real issues of the day,
Speaker 1: from conspiracy theories about one Beyonce Knowles to the life
Speaker 1: and times of eleven year old Northwest who we are
Speaker 1: terrified of, to how many diet cokes President Donald Trump
Speaker 1: actually drinks in a day. It's twelve and that's the
Speaker 1: most relatable thing about him. Makes me like him slightly more. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Before we jump into today's celebrity, we just wanted to
Speaker 1: ask first if there are any lazy girls in the audience,
Speaker 1: anyone who identified yes, yes, love, Because we thought we
Speaker 1: were worried coming in here. We were like, well, no
Speaker 1: one's gonna be on time because they're lazy, and they
Speaker 1: would have like stopped to get a donor. It's notoriously
Speaker 1: hard to get lazy girls to show up anywhere, even
Speaker 1: if it's free. When they had to register, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's a step that's a barrier. And a
Speaker 1: few messages being like no, registering's quite hard. I to
Speaker 1: wait for an email and I'm like, oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't know that. They don't know their password. No,
Speaker 1: not no password. We should take a minute to explain
Speaker 1: the origins of lazy girls, because when we meet a
Speaker 1: canceled listener in the street, they stop us and they say,
Speaker 1: I'm a lazy girl, and then they give us a
Speaker 1: lazy girl's story. Often they do. And I believe it
Speaker 1: all started with Mariah Carey. So she is a certified
Speaker 1: lazy girl. And it was New Year's Eve. She was
Speaker 1: performing in Times Square, literally doing a dance routine very badly,
Speaker 1: and the point she said lift me, but then she
Speaker 1: didn't lift. She just kind of went up on her
Speaker 1: tippy toes and was like, nah, I can't be fucked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And halfway through the performance she said, and I quote,
Speaker 1: I wanted a holiday too, can't I just have one?
Speaker 1: And it's like, ma'am, you are currently performing and you
Speaker 1: are being paid a lot of money. But we heard
Speaker 1: that story and we went it's relatable. It's relatable, and
Speaker 1: she's not the only lazy girl. There's also Megan Markle
Speaker 1: who loves to start a project and not finish it. Again,
Speaker 1: highly relatable, like so likable because I get it. You're like,
Speaker 1: here's my podcast and then you're like, eh, quite hard
Speaker 1: to continue to do it. She's very I'm launching a
Speaker 1: podcast network and then very there's no second season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very that. But the ultimate lazy girl we've discovered through
Speaker 1: our podcast is Brooklyn Beckham. Yes, so there was the
Speaker 1: time he released a photo book of really lazy photos.
Speaker 1: He pretended he wanted to be a chef for like
Speaker 1: half a day, and then I think there was a
Speaker 1: wedding but he didn't can tribute to it all and
Speaker 1: then the group text got leaked and it was just
Speaker 1: him being like where is it? What day? No idea?
Speaker 1: Also slightly relatable. Yeah, we are lazy girls, and in
Speaker 1: a very unlazy girl move, last year we both had
Speaker 1: babies and they are also lazy girls. Your little lazy girl,
Speaker 1: she's old nuts should be crawling, but she won't crawl.
Speaker 1: She will only she'll exclusively wriggle like a fish. She
Speaker 1: looks like a fish that's on a line that's just
Speaker 1: going like this, and she gets from A to B.
Speaker 1: But she knows she doesn't have to crawl. Haters will
Speaker 1: say she should see the baby physio, and I say,
Speaker 1: I'm too lazy. Can your baby walk? No, she cannot
Speaker 1: walk because she has learned that you can get everything
Speaker 1: you need from sitting in the same spot and just
Speaker 1: yelling yeah, lazy girl hack. Well. I have brought a
Speaker 1: lazy girl's story from one of our listeners that I
Speaker 1: thought i'd read out to you. So we have lazy
Speaker 1: girls submit their stories to us, and we usually start
Speaker 1: the show with one of them. So this is from Christina.
Speaker 1: I have a story about a fellow lazy girlfriend. Recently,
Speaker 1: we were talking about her new glasses and how it
Speaker 1: was actually her first time having glasses, as she usually
Speaker 1: wears contact lenses. I was initially very impressed because contact
Speaker 1: lenses are quite a lot to manage, but then she
Speaker 1: told me that sometimes when she was tired, she would
Speaker 1: just put in one contact lens and decide that would
Speaker 1: have to be good enough for the day. That's genius.
Speaker 1: That's the smartest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, that makes
Speaker 1: me think, why do we put on two shoes and
Speaker 1: not one? And hop? Yeah, oh my gosh, that's so true.
Speaker 1: It also makes me think that if lazy girls ruled
Speaker 1: the world, Wow, they'd solve some problems because it's creative
Speaker 1: problem solving. It works smarter, not harder. The problem is
Speaker 1: a lazy girl wouldn't put a hand up. Nah, a
Speaker 1: lazy girl's like I could, but I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I'd rather not. But look, we should get stuck into
Speaker 1: today's show. Hello, and welcome to Cancel The Lazy Girl's
Speaker 1: Guide to Bizarre Celebrity cancelations. On today's episode, we are
Speaker 1: talking about Zendaya, and I can guess what you're thinking.
Speaker 1: You can't cancel zendeya and we know that will become evident.
Speaker 1: But Zendaya Marie Stormer Coleman. I saw a TikTok where
Speaker 1: the challenge was what's her last name? And so if
Speaker 1: anyone ever asked you if you get that at trivia Coleman,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't guess it. She's an American actress and singer.
Speaker 1: She's won two Primetime Emmy Awards and a Golden Globe
Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty two, Time named her one of
Speaker 1: the one hundred most influential people in the world. This
Speaker 1: is very we were trying to appeal to gen z Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so shameless. We're like university young Zendea. There's no
Speaker 1: way she could have had the name Zendeya and not
Speaker 1: being famous. No, that name says, it's like being named prince.
Speaker 1: I don't think that is his real name. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be famous, if you're clear, Steven. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be like the Greatest Showman's starring Claire. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: it was always gonna be Zendea. She's the youngest of
Speaker 1: six kids, and she began her career as a backup
Speaker 1: dancer and child model, which makes sense given that she
Speaker 1: looked like this. She's so beautiful. She's so beautiful, she's
Speaker 1: we don't we don't want to objectify. I don't want
Speaker 1: to objectify children. She's got a beautiful face, she does.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we get sad that we were never discovered
Speaker 1: as children, Like it haunts us, like I'm like, why
Speaker 1: was I never walking down the street And someone was
Speaker 1: like we talk about on the podcast because it's in
Speaker 1: every origin story, even with like Brad Pitt, he was
Speaker 1: I swear on a bus to Hollywood and he just
Speaker 1: fell into like a blockbuster like his faith. Someone stopped
Speaker 1: him and went, you need to be the most famous
Speaker 1: man in the world, and he was like, I know
Speaker 1: that's why coming here. Yeah, I swear people just like
Speaker 1: take a step inside Hollywood and they're like, here is
Speaker 1: a movie, here is a starring role. And that never
Speaker 1: happened to us in west Ryde. Nobody ever looked at
Speaker 1: us and went, yeah, there's a stage, we'll put you
Speaker 1: on it. We really had to fight, but I think
Speaker 1: that maybe that's because when we were children, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: looked like this. So I know that one topic of
Speaker 1: today's episode will be euphoria and drug use. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: look at those images and I'm like, I think we
Speaker 1: could have been cast actually yeah, just like wrong end
Speaker 1: of the tracks. Yes, And I also then remembered that, like,
Speaker 1: so that was one disadvantage. Yeah, but then our personalities
Speaker 1: were like this and like the gen Z's talk about
Speaker 1: riz Yeah, and we're talking about it on a podcast
Speaker 1: once with one of my co hosts on Mummy Are
Speaker 1: Out Loud and she just went, you don't have riz.
Speaker 1: I went, no, I don't do I I never had it.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of charisma, not a lot of energy, energy, personality. Again,
Speaker 1: laziness doesn't make for a triple threat. He doesn't a
Speaker 1: triple threat. It doesn't. So I think you can see
Speaker 1: why we were never on the Disney Channel. Okay any who.
Speaker 1: Zendaya made her television debut at fourteen as Rocky Blue
Speaker 1: in the Disney Channel sitcom Shake It Up, and then
Speaker 1: she start as Ksey Cooper in Ksey Undercover. Never Heard
Speaker 1: of It. She went on to make her feature film
Speaker 1: debut in Spider Man Homecoming as MJ opposite Tom Holland,
Speaker 1: and the sequels Far From Home and No Way Home.
Speaker 1: One of mine and Jesse's enduring fights is whether there
Speaker 1: have been enough Spider Man's And I say no. Every
Speaker 1: time there's a new Spider Man, it blows my mind.
Speaker 1: I love them too many. When you told me Andrew
Speaker 1: Garfield had been enough Spider Man, I was like, when, yeah,
Speaker 1: like there every man in Hollywood has been a spider
Speaker 1: they have. But I think when I look at that image,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people talk about millennials and gen
Speaker 1: z and when were you born and how you differentiate.
Speaker 1: The true way to differentiate between a millennial and a
Speaker 1: gen Z is to ask were you Disney or were
Speaker 1: you Nickelodeon? Because as a millennial, we were all Nickelodeon.
Speaker 1: And I made the error of marrying a gen Z.
Speaker 1: Nick and Cody, what's that? No, Zach and Cody. You
Speaker 1: don't even know what it is? Zach and Cody, Cody.
Speaker 1: That's so raven. There were all these duos that I've
Speaker 1: never heard of. I've never heard of any of them
Speaker 1: that shake it up. You just talked about Hannah Montana,
Speaker 1: never watched it, and then I bring up in Passing
Speaker 1: Amanda Bynes and he's like, who's that? And it's like
Speaker 1: the person who informed my child and whose life I
Speaker 1: am very sad about now actually. But Zendeia is perhaps
Speaker 1: best known for her role as Rue Bennett in Euphoria,
Speaker 1: which he's played since twenty nineteen. She's also starred in
Speaker 1: the films The Greatest show Man, Challenges, June and June
Speaker 1: Part Two. She has a music career as well. She's
Speaker 1: released singles like Swag It Out, Watch Me and Replay
Speaker 1: which We'll get to and her collaboration of Rewrite the
Speaker 1: stars with zac Efron from the Greatest Showman went multi
Speaker 1: platinum globally. She's also written and performed several songs for Euphoria.
Speaker 1: Jesse My structure for today is as follows, the time
Speaker 1: I interviewed her, Euphoria, glorifying drug use, her feud with
Speaker 1: Sam Levinson, that awkward rap battle moment, breaking a relationship rule,
Speaker 1: and dancing in mals. Let's get stuck in. We learned
Speaker 1: about structure at university. We did. We actually learned how
Speaker 1: to structure like an essay, and then we use it
Speaker 1: for our podcast. Okay, so you might be asking, hold on,
Speaker 1: isn't this about the time you interviewed Zendaya. Why are
Speaker 1: there photos of zac Efron there? Well, I'm a terrible feminist,
Speaker 1: that's why, Jesse. Can you believe I've gone this far
Speaker 1: with out mentioning the time I interviewed Zendaya. You don't
Speaker 1: bring it up enough. Yeah, I bring it up in
Speaker 1: most episodes. Anyway, I interviewed her in a purely professional setting.
Speaker 1: I sat opposite her for something like eight minutes when
Speaker 1: her and zac Efron were promoting the Greatest show Man,
Speaker 1: and a few years ago I realized that somebody on
Speaker 1: YouTube had like stolen the video for their YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: and it's gone super viral because apparently they were flirting.
Speaker 1: That's awkward because the story you told when you came
Speaker 1: back from the interview was that you and Zach were
Speaker 1: flirting exactly. And then it's like, oh my god, look
Speaker 1: at the chemistry and know what none of the comments
Speaker 1: say anything about me. Well, they do say things about you,
Speaker 1: but it's not about the chemistry. No, you'll see what
Speaker 1: they say. But it has many millions of views. So
Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning. It was twenty seventeen. It
Speaker 1: was the day before my birthday, which is also the
Speaker 1: day before your birthday, and I was getting an early
Speaker 1: birthday present. Someone at Mamma Maya, our workplace, had made
Speaker 1: it terrible mistake. They had given me the opportunity to
Speaker 1: interview zac Efron and Zendeya in The Greatest Showman aka
Speaker 1: a flawless film that brings nothing but joy to the
Speaker 1: people who watch it. I really like The Greatest Showman,
Speaker 1: but this was an error because I am heinously obsessed
Speaker 1: with zac Efron. It ain't right. I think that movies
Speaker 1: such as Bad Neighbors and relatedly Bad neighbors too are
Speaker 1: works of art. I think his comic timing is vastly underestimated.
Speaker 1: I think he's a wonderful singer, dance art performer. And
Speaker 1: I believed that he would see me, recognition would dawn
Speaker 1: on his face, and he would realize we were meant
Speaker 1: for each other, and that that would be the beginning
Speaker 1: of the greatest love story of all time. I thought
Speaker 1: I would abandon my partner, whom I had been with
Speaker 1: for ten years at that point. Now I have a
Speaker 1: child with I was like, we're done. I'm meeting Zach.
Speaker 1: This was problematic because, as I mentioned, I was interviewing
Speaker 1: zac Efron and Zendeya, and it's like, you have Zendea
Speaker 1: sitting there, and meanwhile I'm like, when are we getting married?
Speaker 1: Z chop Top? But none of that matters. Very It
Speaker 1: is very the Wicked interview where the Australian interviewer only
Speaker 1: interviewed Ariana yeah, and was like, when's your album coming out?
Speaker 1: How about your fragrance line? And Cynthia was like, well
Speaker 1: literally Alphaba, yeah, yeah, very that I was that person,
Speaker 1: but the joke was on me because this happened. Okay,
Speaker 1: So while zac Efron and Zendaya looked like that. For
Speaker 1: some reason, I was the oiliest, sweatiest person who had
Speaker 1: ever been on camera. So no one had told you
Speaker 1: about powder? About powder? No, And when you go on
Speaker 1: television or in front of lights, you think you look glowy, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the lights turn on and you are slick.
Speaker 1: You are wet, wet, and our skin not good under lights. No.
Speaker 1: When I've done television that come in, the ad breaks
Speaker 1: and they go to powder me, and I look at
Speaker 1: them and I go, are we all powdering? No? The
Speaker 1: others don't need pity. I need power because I'm always hot.
Speaker 1: But I walked out of that interview obviously star struck.
Speaker 1: And I can't describe how beautiful Zendea was in real life,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't right. We can see that, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: she's she was more beautiful than that. So she's so
Speaker 1: well powdered. Yeah, and she just glows, as does Zach.
Speaker 1: But I remember I got back to the office and
Speaker 1: I refused to wash the hand that I had shaken
Speaker 1: zac Efron's hand with. I think I took a photo
Speaker 1: of it. I still have it in mind. This is
Speaker 1: pre COVID, isn't it. Yeah, so I was like, hmm, beautiful.
Speaker 1: But I came back to the office and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: how was Zendea? And I was like, she was looking
Speaker 1: at her phone when I walked in the room, and
Speaker 1: I was really rude about her, like obviously not in
Speaker 1: any public capacity, just in a purely gossip capacity. I
Speaker 1: was like, she was on her phone. And then I
Speaker 1: interviewed her and like she was lovely, but did you
Speaker 1: need to be looking at her phone? And six years on,
Speaker 1: I have some feedback for myself. Firstly, Claire, you are
Speaker 1: literally always on your phone. You cannot be judging people
Speaker 1: who are on their phone. Secondly, she was twenty two
Speaker 1: years old. Zac Efron is like a decade older, so
Speaker 1: if he was a bit more media trained, that would
Speaker 1: be why. But the other thing is, and this is
Speaker 1: something we have found doing this podcast over how many
Speaker 1: years you wrecking three years? We've been doing four Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: We are just so hard on women, aren't we. It's
Speaker 1: really fine. Interesting data point behind the scenes for canceled listeners.
Speaker 1: When we do an episode on a man, he gets
Speaker 1: about twenty percent less downloads because people prefer it if
Speaker 1: they feel like we're gonna have a go at a woman.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, I want that. Yeah, that's how I
Speaker 1: want to spend my weekend. Yeah. And I was guilty
Speaker 1: of it. And she was lovely. She was perfectly lovely.
Speaker 1: But I was like, hmmm, I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but I think I think I was just jealous because
Speaker 1: Zach was more interested in her than me in hindsight.
Speaker 1: I also want to say that I got my color
Speaker 1: season done recently, and I was told that without coloring,
Speaker 1: we are never to wear black because it makes us
Speaker 1: look sick and tired. And I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think it does nothing for me. Oh god, it's just
Speaker 1: so tragic. But you know, some of the comments were
Speaker 1: about was it really hot that day? Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So that was the time I interviewed Zendaya. Euphoria Glorifying
Speaker 1: drug Use Jesse. We've both seen every episode of Euphoria,
Speaker 1: but for those who haven't, Euphoria is an American teen
Speaker 1: drama TV series created and written by Sam Levinson for HBO.
Speaker 1: This will become relevant, we'll get back to Sam. But
Speaker 1: it stars Zendaya, Maude Apatow, Hunter Schaefer, Sidney Sweeney, and
Speaker 1: the Beautiful and Australian Jacob Alordie, who I think about
Speaker 1: a lot. I sound really predatory today. I didn't mean to,
Speaker 1: but Jacob a Laudian saltburn gome On anyway. Euphoria follows
Speaker 1: Rue Bennett Zendeia, a troubled teenage drug addict who struggles
Speaker 1: to get sober, and a broader cast of main characters
Speaker 1: who deal with relationships and family dynamics and so on.
Speaker 1: It's set and filmed in California, and it's received all
Speaker 1: this praise for its cinematography and performances. And it's the
Speaker 1: fourth most watched HBO series in history, behind Game of Thrones,
Speaker 1: The Last of Us and House of the Dragon. And
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, but it shares the same universe
Speaker 1: as Levinson's twenty twenty three series The Idol, which we'll
Speaker 1: get to. But Euphoria has been criticized for glorifying drug use,
Speaker 1: mostly because Zendeia suffers with addiction. But she's very beautiful
Speaker 1: and very cool and somewhat aspirational to a young audience.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's her fault. I think she's meant
Speaker 1: to look messy, disheveled, but I just always want to
Speaker 1: look like Zendeia in any context, I'm going to find
Speaker 1: her aspirational. Yeah, zendeya MESSI and dishevelled is us after
Speaker 1: like four days of Hairmaker? Yeah exactly. This is like
Speaker 1: one scene where I guess people say it sort of
Speaker 1: lightens the idea of somebody having drug issues. I just
Speaker 1: looked a little better with And she's often running into things,
Speaker 1: often going to host. There was a quote that I saw.
Speaker 1: It was the advocacy group Parents Television and Media Council
Speaker 1: called Euphoria dark, depraved, degenerate, and nihilistic. And I read
Speaker 1: that and I went, if I had to choose four
Speaker 1: adjectives to describe teenagers, those four adjectives would probably be dark, depraved, degenerate, nihilistic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We always say we want more media about teens, and
Speaker 1: then if time we see it where like, well that's bleak,
Speaker 1: it's like they're no shit, things aren't good yeah to
Speaker 1: the teens. And then you watch Seventh Heaven and we
Speaker 1: market because it's silly. But in an article in Time
Speaker 1: titled What Euphoria gets right and wrong about teen drug
Speaker 1: use and addiction, Tara Law argues that while the show
Speaker 1: does a good job of tackling the fact that drug
Speaker 1: use is not rare among adolescents and the chaos that
Speaker 1: addiction can cause. It doesn't do well at showing the
Speaker 1: range of options people have to help them recover from
Speaker 1: substance use disorder. In the show's defense, that wouldn't make
Speaker 1: for amazing TV. But apparently the best options for recovery
Speaker 1: aren't explored, and one of them that is cited in
Speaker 1: this article is that there's a medication for opioid use
Speaker 1: disorder called buprenephrine, which reduces cravings and withdrawal symptoms. And
Speaker 1: that is so important. But I just don't know if
Speaker 1: seeing zend Aa try a medication to help with her
Speaker 1: opioid use is just that great for television. This criticism
Speaker 1: of fiction, where it's like, why doesn't she just try
Speaker 1: a successful treatment overlooks the point of fiction. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like saying with Harry Potter, well, why don't Harry and
Speaker 1: Voldemort just get along? Yeah, why don't they just get
Speaker 1: on the phone and sort out their differences? Because then
Speaker 1: it's there's not seven books, there's three terrible chapters that
Speaker 1: don't make any sense. Yeah, we need the tension. Why
Speaker 1: don't Romeo and Juliet just text and say I'm not
Speaker 1: a yah yah, FYI still alive, FYI still alive. It
Speaker 1: would all be sorted terrible fiction. What we need is
Speaker 1: our characters to make very bad decisions, because that's also
Speaker 1: you know where else bad decisions happen life. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: need Rue not to get better, I know, because we
Speaker 1: need a second season because it makes the production come
Speaker 1: any millions of dollars. I know, and we do often
Speaker 1: have to say on the show, like Euphoria is fictional.
Speaker 1: It isn't real. It is just a story. It is
Speaker 1: made up. You can't really get mad at it. Because
Speaker 1: it's also helpful because when I few years ago, I
Speaker 1: broke my leg while in the Northern Territory and I
Speaker 1: went eight hours and there wasn't any pain relief, and
Speaker 1: then the Royal Flying Doctor Service came and they landed
Speaker 1: and they explained what drugs they had available, and Claire
Speaker 1: was able to translate. Yeah, because you were like ventanyl.
Speaker 1: I know about that from Euphoria. I said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: when Zendia takes ventanal, she just passes out, like it
Speaker 1: is just great. I'm the one you want. Up the dose,
Speaker 1: up the dose. Yeah, yeah, you need to calm down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew all about it, but I think in conclusion,
Speaker 1: we don't think Zendaea is obliged to solve the opioid
Speaker 1: epidemic in the United States. I like Euphoria. That's a vibe.
Speaker 1: I think so too. Jesse her feud with Sam Levinson.
Speaker 1: I promised we would come back to him. I mentioned
Speaker 1: before that another Sam Levinson show, The Idol, shares the
Speaker 1: same universe as Euphoria, and I didn't know this. And
Speaker 1: I think no one would know this because no one's
Speaker 1: watched The Idol in full, because it is darable and
Speaker 1: appalling and very bad. It stars the Weekend, doesn't it
Speaker 1: The Weekend who I refer to is the Wikend because
Speaker 1: there's no E, there's no I have only seen clips
Speaker 1: of the Idol on TikTok. It's the only way it's
Speaker 1: been absorbed by the culture. And I would imagine Zendaya
Speaker 1: has only seen clips on TikTok because she's mad about it.
Speaker 1: Let me explain. There have been two very highly successful
Speaker 1: seasons of Euphoria, and everyone's been waiting for this third season.
Speaker 1: But rumors are that Levinson's obsession with The Idol, which
Speaker 1: was released in twenty twenty three, pushed the third season
Speaker 1: of Euphoria back as an is pissed about it. An
Speaker 1: investigation in The Hollywood Reporter published in July of this
Speaker 1: year claims that the tension between Zendaya and Levinson has
Speaker 1: actually lengthened the delay in going forward with Euphoria's third season.
Speaker 1: And they used to be really close and now they're not.
Speaker 1: And basically, Zendea got very frustrated when he went all
Speaker 1: in on the idol, and she went to HBO executives
Speaker 1: and was like, guys, we've got a good show. We
Speaker 1: won a third season, and he was preoccupied. The idol
Speaker 1: was created by Levinson and Abel tess Fay aka The Weekend,
Speaker 1: and it focuses on a female pop star, Jocelyn played
Speaker 1: by Lily Rose Depth, who's Johnny Depp's daughter, and she's
Speaker 1: in a relationship with Ted Dross played by The Weekend,
Speaker 1: who is a sleazy nightclub owner, self help guru, and
Speaker 1: cult leader and is inner word so gross. It was
Speaker 1: originally being directed by a woman, then Sam Levinson took
Speaker 1: over and took it in a different direction, and basically
Speaker 1: it was gonna be this exploration of women being exploited
Speaker 1: in the music industry, and then Sam Levinson was like,
Speaker 1: m but why don't we make it a degrading love
Speaker 1: story from the man's perspective? And everyone was like, because
Speaker 1: that's terrible, but that's what they made. It strikes me
Speaker 1: as you know when you're working on a group project
Speaker 1: and you're on a zoom call and there's like fifteen
Speaker 1: of you and you go, wow, imagine if you were
Speaker 1: in charge, like the worst person in the room, Yeah,
Speaker 1: was the boss. I think that happened. It actually had
Speaker 1: to be completely reshot so they filmed it. They looked
Speaker 1: at early versions of it, and Levinson in the Weekend
Speaker 1: hated it. And Jess and I we have written and
Speaker 1: helped produce an Australian TV show and I cannot stress
Speaker 1: how much of a drama it would be to reshoot.
Speaker 1: It's just bizarre. So I can't imagine what the original
Speaker 1: looked like given what we saw. My theory is that
Speaker 1: the original was good and they blow it all up,
Speaker 1: undid everything that was good about it, and made it
Speaker 1: into what has been described as the worst television show
Speaker 1: in HBO history. Yes, yes, so here are some of
Speaker 1: the reactions. It was absolutely panned canceled after one season.
Speaker 1: People were so upset. And my favorite hobby it's to
Speaker 1: go on IMDb and read reviews of bad shows. I
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time there. And this is what
Speaker 1: people have written about the Idol, which it's got four
Speaker 1: point four out of ten. Actually better than I thought.
Speaker 1: No substance. This gives me high school play vibes with
Speaker 1: lots of nudity, sex and shock value with absolutely no content.
Speaker 1: This is really bad. The plot is incredibly not interesting.
Speaker 1: I was tired after ten minutes, but thought I would
Speaker 1: give it the benefit of the doubt. At twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: something inside of me was breaking. I like how this
Speaker 1: feels like a journal change. The dialogue is like an
Speaker 1: AI idea of what human dialogue should be. This is
Speaker 1: really embarrassing for everyone involved. I like this one worse
Speaker 1: than you've heard. Just to be clear what we'd heard.
Speaker 1: This is a review from The Guardian featuring a performance
Speaker 1: from the WICCAND that should be tried at the Hague,
Speaker 1: which is the International Criminal Court. Ye worse than that,
Speaker 1: they say. When James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights
Speaker 1: to the US Constitution, he would have left out freedom
Speaker 1: of speech and expression. If he had seen this cringe worby.
Speaker 1: It is impossible to believe that this show is from
Speaker 1: the same network as Succession and White Lotus. Someone definitely
Speaker 1: needs to get fired. Ridiculous plotline, horrific acting. Levinson and
Speaker 1: Abel need to be on a watch list. The other
Speaker 1: thing is on IMDb. All these people were like, I
Speaker 1: created a profile just to leave this review. There were
Speaker 1: so many who were like, why did I have to
Speaker 1: create a profile just to leave this I'm like, you
Speaker 1: did that. I'm just reading them. You could also just
Speaker 1: read them. I wondered if because to bring it back
Speaker 1: to Zendeia because she is a triple threat. I worry
Speaker 1: that she has inspired the wickened over here to believe
Speaker 1: he might be a triple threat. Before going into this,
Speaker 1: we knew he could sing. He's one of the most
Speaker 1: successful singers in the world. He went, maybe I can act,
Speaker 1: which is the same error that Mariah Carey made, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and glitter And then they go and give it a
Speaker 1: go and they go, you know what, don't worry I
Speaker 1: can't yeah, And that's exactly what happened here, And so
Speaker 1: Zendeya and Sam Levinson had this huge falling out because
Speaker 1: now Euphoria Season three isn't even meant to start filming
Speaker 1: until twenty twenty five. And meanwhile, we were all assaulted
Speaker 1: by the idol. It was awful Jesse, that awkward rap
Speaker 1: battle moment. Oh, this is a gift that kind of
Speaker 1: shows people's response. Guys, remember Matt Rife. He went viral
Speaker 1: last year for things such as saying none non ironically
Speaker 1: that being too hot was hurting his comedy career, and
Speaker 1: releasing a Netflix special where he made a domestic violence
Speaker 1: joke about a woman with a black eye that genuinely
Speaker 1: wasn't funny, and also a bunch of jokes about women
Speaker 1: being obsessed with astrology that also wasn't funny. Anyway, it
Speaker 1: turns out that in twenty fifteen he was on a
Speaker 1: show called Wild and Out, one of those weird American
Speaker 1: shows that has rules that don't make any sense. Basically,
Speaker 1: one person from each team has to hold water in
Speaker 1: their mouths while members of another team try to make
Speaker 1: them laugh, and a clip of Matt Rife trying to
Speaker 1: make Zendeia laugh resurfaced last year. And I need to
Speaker 1: emphasize this point before we play the video. It's meant
Speaker 1: to be comedy it's meant to be teams of comedians
Speaker 1: making a celebrity guest laugh, so they spit out the water.
Speaker 1: Here's a video. Let's make a lifestyle that spit that water,
Speaker 1: ass like and get your number, Please your hand, don't
Speaker 1: be touching on it like that. I'm really glad that
Speaker 1: you gave context of that was comedy. He reminds me
Speaker 1: of like a five year old that says he didn't
Speaker 1: need all the Easter eggs when he has chocolate on
Speaker 1: his nose. Yeah, yeah, we just saw you touch her
Speaker 1: face and he's like, I didn't touch it. Why are
Speaker 1: you talking like that? Talking like that? At the beginning,
Speaker 1: it's cut off a little bit, but at the beginning
Speaker 1: he says, look, you're mixed. I want to be black.
Speaker 1: Let's make a lifestyle movie. There's nothing funny about that,
Speaker 1: and it's offensive and weird and it doesn't even make sense,
Speaker 1: but mostly it's not funny. So poor Zendaya. It's unclear
Speaker 1: why he had to say anything about her race, and
Speaker 1: it's gross that he's hitting on her. But I think
Speaker 1: the most painful thing is that she was subjected to
Speaker 1: that attempt at comedy. There are just so many subpar
Speaker 1: men around. Zendeya that she always looks exasperate, but she
Speaker 1: knows how much of a fail that man. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like we talk on canceled about the people you cancel
Speaker 1: along the way, because often you'll be talk about someone
Speaker 1: and there's just someone who did something weird at one point.
Speaker 1: Matt Raife, you cancel him along the way, Sam Levinson,
Speaker 1: the weakened. You cancel them all along the way, breaking
Speaker 1: a relationship rule. Tom Holland aka Spider Man and Zendaya
Speaker 1: have been dating since twenty twenty one. Side note, I
Speaker 1: think some DAYA dated Jacob Alordie. They did. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: did our very own, our very own. Yes, but every
Speaker 1: now but when he got in a fight, could he
Speaker 1: did he get in the fight with Kyle Sandal like
Speaker 1: and I made that up? He got to know he
Speaker 1: did their producer who was like give us some bath water?
Speaker 1: Yeah remember, Yeah, it wasn't even relevant because oh no,
Speaker 1: it was because he was in the bar. Yeah. Australia
Speaker 1: is disgusting anyway. We always upset people and they never
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, even when they belong here. It's so bad.
Speaker 1: But every now and then the Internet loses it because
Speaker 1: they remember that Zendaya and her boyfriend have a height difference,
Speaker 1: and they're like, whoa. So some genuine headlines include, yes,
Speaker 1: she's tall. Every time Tom Holland and Zendeya addressed their
Speaker 1: height difference, that's not content anyway. He's not the kind
Speaker 1: of insecure guy to care. The obvious height difference between
Speaker 1: Tom Holland and Zendeya is one of the reasons that
Speaker 1: makes them the eat couple of Hollywood. The grammar is
Speaker 1: just there's too many words. Isn't that significant? It's just
Speaker 1: not that significant. You know what we don't get. We
Speaker 1: don't get headlines about like Simone Biles and her basketballer boyfriend,
Speaker 1: who I think is about seven foot, she's about four foot.
Speaker 1: We've got a human in between both of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And still we're not panicking with these two.
Speaker 1: It's like, let's panic, how do you kiss? Yeah? How
Speaker 1: does it work? Logistic? Ever looked each other in the eye? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Another headline Zendea and Tom Holland break stereotypes how their
Speaker 1: height difference strengthens their love story. Who are we need?
Speaker 1: We do need more representation in all seriousness for shot men,
Speaker 1: short men, shot kings, shot kings, with shot kings exactly right.
Speaker 1: This is really important to short men to believe that
Speaker 1: they too can be with tall, beautiful women. Yes. On
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one press circuit for Spider Man No
Speaker 1: Way Home, Zendeia and Tom Holland were repeatedly asked to
Speaker 1: address their height difference. In one interview, what do they
Speaker 1: expect them to say? I don't know. It's just not
Speaker 1: a lot there. So in one interview, Tom Holland was
Speaker 1: asked in Far From Home, when MJ and Peter kiss, Zendea,
Speaker 1: you're taller than Tom. It became this thing. Tom interjected,
Speaker 1: not that much taller, he said, let's put this out there,
Speaker 1: maybe like an inch or two at best. It's not
Speaker 1: like people say, like, how did you guys kiss? It
Speaker 1: must have been so difficult. And then the interviewer butted in,
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's so misogynistic when people talk about
Speaker 1: height differences. It's so screwed up. It's so probably you
Speaker 1: brought it up, mate, you brought it off. That is
Speaker 1: a classic interviewer slash that there's this internet thing where
Speaker 1: you put it out there and you're like, I think
Speaker 1: it's so offensive how everyone's talking about their height difference,
Speaker 1: and it's like you brought it up. Yeah, it's so weird,
Speaker 1: and then people get really passionate about it. So here's
Speaker 1: a comment on Reddit. There's a whole reddit thread about
Speaker 1: like the height difference, where I guess when it comes up,
Speaker 1: people just go there and have a discussion about it.
Speaker 1: Remember in one Spider Man movie, the only one that
Speaker 1: ever should have been made, where they kiss upside down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's an upside down and there's a Toby Maguire upright, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunts. I feel like there are more questions about
Speaker 1: how they kiss yeah than how the mechanics of that
Speaker 1: kiss upside down kiss yeah. One comment on this reddit
Speaker 1: thread said, I'm so tired of the Hollands andd a
Speaker 1: a height difference meme. Every one of those pictures she's
Speaker 1: wearing high heels, and even then it's like a three
Speaker 1: inch difference. You'll a fawning over a five eight dude
Speaker 1: dating a woman who wears shoes like this is some
Speaker 1: colossus victory for short dude. Yeah, Tom is confident and
Speaker 1: Chilling doesn't seem to care, but they are literally nearly
Speaker 1: the same mind. Someone else said being short comes with
Speaker 1: many struggles and disadvantages. No, this man's five to one.
Speaker 1: Some tall people just don't understand because it's not their reality.
Speaker 1: But being tall isn't the single key to success. I
Speaker 1: feel like I wrote that someone else wrote I'm a
Speaker 1: Marvel fan. So with No Way Home being the next
Speaker 1: big Marvel movie release and the positive reaction to Holland
Speaker 1: being shorter and him addressing it, it's just nice to
Speaker 1: see the positive reactions. This isn't like a cultural thing
Speaker 1: to talk about. You're on the internet too much. You
Speaker 1: need to get off. He is a slightly below average
Speaker 1: white man. He's fine, He's doing fine. Everyone's fine. He's
Speaker 1: five eight, Sandaea's five to ten. Everyone's okay. Five eight
Speaker 1: might be completely normal, yeah, totally average. But this is
Speaker 1: what happens when people spend too much time on the internet.
Speaker 1: We make things out of nothing. I think he might
Speaker 1: have put six to one on his dating app. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and it caused confusion. Yeah, I think so too. Jesse
Speaker 1: dancing in mauls Now. When I was prepping for this episode,
Speaker 1: I mentioned to a gen Z producer in our office
Speaker 1: that we were canceling Zendea, and she laughed and said,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yes, when she danced in Maules and
Speaker 1: I said what And she said, you know when she
Speaker 1: danced in shopping centers with Bellathorne. And I'm like, what
Speaker 1: is Abella Thorne? I do not I am not aware
Speaker 1: of any of this, But don't you aren't here? Know
Speaker 1: who Bellathorne is? Look at the collagen. Yeah, they're so young,
Speaker 1: They're so beautiful thorn, Oh the skin. There was a
Speaker 1: Disney show called Shake It Up, starring Zendaya and Bellathorne,
Speaker 1: about the adventures of two girls as they start as
Speaker 1: background dancers on a local show, shake It Up Chicago.
Speaker 1: It needs to be said that someone at Disney runs
Speaker 1: a farm that A creates boys who look exactly the
Speaker 1: same with the same haircut, B creates girls who are
Speaker 1: wildly talented, and C exploits these children for the purposes
Speaker 1: of capitalism. Because in addition to the Shake It Up show,
Speaker 1: there was obviously a soundtrack called shake It Up, Break
Speaker 1: It Down. This hell is though my jen Z husband
Speaker 1: probably owns that. Yeah, I think so too. This was
Speaker 1: Zendaea and Bellathorne dancing in a shopping center to their music.
Speaker 1: This is of the life. Firstly, the hustle is that
Speaker 1: a Bellathorne's The Bellathorne. Yes, the best people among us
Speaker 1: have performed at shopping centers. I'm talking Delta Gudram, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking Guy Sebastian. Yes, human nature would slap at Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel as though it is a sign of the
Speaker 1: hustle of work, ethic of like growing your career. There's
Speaker 1: a comment on this that says, bring back low staked,
Speaker 1: small venue tours for artist development, and I agree they
Speaker 1: should be like performing like here, well, bring back going
Speaker 1: to Westfield on the weekend to go you're going to
Speaker 1: just cuts for a haircut? Yeah, and boom, Zenday is hustling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you just have someone I remember going to Westfield
Speaker 1: one day, you know who was performing, Nicky Webster. Oh,
Speaker 1: just next to the food court, just standing there with
Speaker 1: my McDonald's Like, cheers Nicky. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: I also think like people kind of make fun of
Speaker 1: Zendaya about this dancing because it's quite wild and intense,
Speaker 1: But we did far more embarrassing things as teenagers, and
Speaker 1: thank god no one gave us a stage. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: we did our men in Blackie eight dance, yeah, which
Speaker 1: we still remember. Yeah, all the moves and it was
Speaker 1: nowhere near as good as that. The other thing we
Speaker 1: could bring back in shopping centers is like a low
Speaker 1: grade model search. Oh my god, like fourteen year old
Speaker 1: girls just line I'm just line up and going am
Speaker 1: I hot? And being told yes or no? Yeah? Back
Speaker 1: you and I could get a frozen coke and watch
Speaker 1: from the sidewinks and be like all on the baby
Speaker 1: competitions where it's like, line up the babies, who's the
Speaker 1: most beautiful? You can't do that anymore, you can't. It's
Speaker 1: frowned upon. Shopping malls were really like would you enter
Speaker 1: your baby? Ah? Oh, pre verbal yes, because she won't
Speaker 1: know when they say honey, move along, she won't know. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: your baby? What do you reckon? She doesn't smile on cue.
Speaker 1: She's serious. Yeah, she's a serious girl. There was also
Speaker 1: a comment about how the business casual outfits are just terrible.
Speaker 1: That was really a moment, wasn't it. I love a
Speaker 1: white jean, Oh, a white jean jeans and a nice top,
Speaker 1: some boots. They're just they're really hustling, and honestly, I'm
Speaker 1: all for it. I love the branding when they did this,
Speaker 1: like they would have been paid for this, I reckon
Speaker 1: and it's like we're all dancing for free on TikTok,
Speaker 1: so who's really laughing? Not us. Then Zendeya had her
Speaker 1: own music career. She had a self titled album with
Speaker 1: an actual banger called Replay that we have had stuck
Speaker 1: in our heads for days. We were singing at backstage
Speaker 1: and this was her again performing in a shopping center.
Speaker 1: I say, she's excellent, and she is trying to create
Speaker 1: art in a place devoid of art, which is a
Speaker 1: shopping center. It's very choice of arm. It is. It
Speaker 1: is because I say that Disney stars love to dance
Speaker 1: with their knees, yes, and that's what whatever they trained,
Speaker 1: What I would do to get trained by Disney. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's where she went to Disney, the full School
Speaker 1: of Arts. Yep. Yeah. Sabrina Carpenter was Ariana Grande Disney
Speaker 1: or Nickelodeon. I don't understand she was one of them,
Speaker 1: but she can dance what I would have done the talent.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about that as well, is that no
Speaker 1: one realizes they're witnessing greatness. So like the people above
Speaker 1: who are looking over, they think that they're just like, oh,
Speaker 1: mom like, can we get donuts? Like, I'm in the
Speaker 1: shopping center, and it's like, that is Zendaya. You are
Speaker 1: watching her dance to a banger for free, for free,
Speaker 1: and the guy in the blue shirt is all of us.
Speaker 1: We're standing there, we're not moving because we know we
Speaker 1: don't have the talent to join in, but we're really
Speaker 1: appreciating it. You know what I just recalled from a
Speaker 1: shopping center I reckon ten fifteen years ago. I'm minding
Speaker 1: my own business, you know, going into typo or something
Speaker 1: flash mob that So in flash mobs, yeah, you're just
Speaker 1: standing there and your body is coursing with cringe and
Speaker 1: you can't stop watching because you're like, are you embarrassed?
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed. And then I forgot about this. Then the
Speaker 1: random passes by join because they're like, I can be
Speaker 1: part of it, and it's like you don't know the
Speaker 1: routine even if they were just a spontaneous dance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is an activation for a brand. Someone has paid
Speaker 1: a lot of money for this. And there was like
Speaker 1: a fifty five year old woman like, oh we just
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, stop stop it, stop it now, Jesse,
Speaker 1: it's time for charges and sentences. I would like to
Speaker 1: go first, go for it. The biggest charge here is
Speaker 1: obviously the idol. Right, that's the worst piece of television
Speaker 1: ever made. Needs to be tried at the International Criminal Court.
Speaker 1: We know that the Weekend has to face justice, and
Speaker 1: I'd say that Sam should go too. But that is
Speaker 1: not Zendeia's crime. What Zendaya's crime is is but when
Speaker 1: you're a triple threat, you can sing, you can dance,
Speaker 1: you can act. You unfortunately inspire others to try. And
Speaker 1: that's what we saw with The Weekend. Yeah, he went
Speaker 1: maybe I could and the honey you can't know. And
Speaker 1: that's what Maria carry has done. We've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of people do it, and I think as well. Her
Speaker 1: other crime is hogging. Yeah, hogging hogging skills. It is
Speaker 1: because in doing all of those things, she's also beautiful.
Speaker 1: She's also a vegetarian, so she is better than you
Speaker 1: and me, and she's a hog in that. I would
Speaker 1: like to have just one of those skills half a skill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to sing. Oh, but I
Speaker 1: can't do the knee dance. I want to practice the
Speaker 1: knee dance. I would also like to dance in a
Speaker 1: Westfield for no reason. No, that will be down today
Speaker 1: next event. My sentence is being a triple threat probably
Speaker 1: means that Sam Levinson is going to want to work
Speaker 1: with her again, right, And she's great in the Greatest Showman.
Speaker 1: I think that was some of her best work. But
Speaker 1: I think if you can sing, act, and dance, then
Speaker 1: it is your obligation to be doing all three at
Speaker 1: the same time. Always you can't have those skills and
Speaker 1: I only be drawing on one, kind of like Ariana
Speaker 1: Grande after seeing Wicked, I'm like, hmm, you need to
Speaker 1: bring musical theater to everything, Like I need to see
Speaker 1: these skills in motion. Always they bring me. It's like
Speaker 1: when you see an olympian who's also like a good
Speaker 1: public speaker and you're like, could you swim while speaking?
Speaker 1: Like such a waste? Or a gymnast who's just like
Speaker 1: walking down the street and you're like, backfliph do a backflip? Yeah.
Speaker 1: We always say that if you can backflip, yeah, why
Speaker 1: aren't you? And that's how I feel about more Tricks.
Speaker 1: Zendaya is more tricks because June challenges. I don't think
Speaker 1: she sang in those. I don't even think she danced
Speaker 1: that much. I haven't seen them, No, but I just
Speaker 1: didn't challenges wasn't great. I watched ten minutes turned off,
Speaker 1: so you don't know if she danced. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. It was about tennis, so I can't think. So. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I need to see more of those skills exhibited in
Speaker 1: all of her work. That would be my sentence for Okay,
Speaker 1: more singing, dancing, Yeah, in like Euphoria for example. My charge,
Speaker 1: I need to go all the way back to the
Speaker 1: beginning to where I met her, because I have a
Speaker 1: bone to pick. She ruined my chances with Zach. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I feel like she was sitting there being glowy,
Speaker 1: not oily, and she had her triple threats and she
Speaker 1: had a beautiful voice. And then the greatest love story
Speaker 1: of our time never happened between me and Zak Efrock.
Speaker 1: So that's fine. But my sentence is I'd like a
Speaker 1: second chance with Zach. Well, here's the thing. Would I
Speaker 1: like an introduction to Zak? Yeah, But if that's not possible,
Speaker 1: there are two other options. One, she can introduce me
Speaker 1: to her friend Jacob Alordie. Two, she can also introduce
Speaker 1: me to her friend Timothy shallameh either one. She's really
Speaker 1: good friends with both of them. How do you have
Speaker 1: friends who are so hot? I don't know. And she's
Speaker 1: taken because she's with Tom for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's like, I don't know, what do you plan
Speaker 1: on doing with your husband and baby? I don't know.
Speaker 1: They can come. Okay, Timothy could be a fly in
Speaker 1: and fly out kind of guy. Kind of a fair
Speaker 1: because I don't think he'd be here all the time.
Speaker 1: He's been working, Yeah, doing Wonka two Wonka. We like
Speaker 1: talking about Wonka? Yeah, yeah, no, but I do need
Speaker 1: an introduction to any of those three men. Such a
Speaker 1: predator today. You're a predator, you're anti feminist, and you're
Speaker 1: quite misogynistic. You've said this about your relationship with hot MANE. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm dis school stang, dis school stang. That is actually
Speaker 1: all we have time for today. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us. We've had so much fun today. And
Speaker 1: thank you too to our incredible producer Kimberly Bradish for
Speaker 1: making this all happen, and to the Alumni Festival. Thank
Speaker 1: you