WEBVTT - Zendaya: Relationship Controversy & Dancing in Malls 0:00:10.829 --> 0:00:15.029 So much. You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. Mom 0:00:15.029 --> 0:00:18.389 and Maya acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters 0:00:18.389 --> 0:00:22.149 that this podcast is recorded on Hello, canceled listeners. We 0:00:22.509 --> 0:00:25.389 are about to share with you an episode that we 0:00:25.469 --> 0:00:28.869 recorded live at the University of Sydney, and if you 0:00:28.949 --> 0:00:31.869 prefer to watch, you can actually do that now. We 0:00:31.909 --> 0:00:33.749 have a link in our show notes. It is to 0:00:33.869 --> 0:00:36.309 YouTube and any visual references. There are a few times 0:00:36.309 --> 0:00:37.869 that we refer to things. You'll get the gist, but 0:00:38.229 --> 0:00:40.549 if you want to look at the pictures we're talking about, 0:00:40.949 --> 0:00:44.149 then you can go watch it all on YouTube, and 0:00:44.189 --> 0:00:47.109 we will put a bunch of the pictures on Instagram 0:00:47.229 --> 0:00:49.269 as well on our Instagram account which is at the 0:00:49.309 --> 0:00:53.549 Twins Underscore Thoughts, so you can follow along there too. Hello. 0:00:54.069 --> 0:00:57.789 I am Jesse Stevens. I'm Claire Stevens. Hello, and we 0:00:57.869 --> 0:01:01.469 cannot emphasize enough that this is not a neuroscience lecture 0:01:01.589 --> 0:01:04.349 right now, is it? No? If you thought it was, 0:01:04.549 --> 0:01:06.789 we're very sorry because this is the opposite. Yeah, you're 0:01:06.789 --> 0:01:08.669 going to get dumber by sitting here. I think we 0:01:08.789 --> 0:01:11.749 know this building though, don't we. Yes, we had all 0:01:11.789 --> 0:01:15.669 sorts of lectures in here, and what we learned here 0:01:15.709 --> 0:01:19.629 was research skills. We can synthesize information. We know how 0:01:19.629 --> 0:01:25.949 to footnote things like TikTok videos, unsubstantiated celebrity gossip. We 0:01:25.989 --> 0:01:28.989 also know how to forge a medical certificate. Because our 0:01:29.029 --> 0:01:32.789 assignment is three days late because we procrastinated by accident. 0:01:33.309 --> 0:01:36.189 That is a joke for legal purposes. We would never. 0:01:36.549 --> 0:01:40.429 We would never. We are everything that our lecturers dreamed 0:01:40.509 --> 0:01:43.149 that we would be. We are hosts of a comedy 0:01:43.189 --> 0:01:47.029 pop culture podcast that examines the real issues of the day, 0:01:47.429 --> 0:01:51.869 from conspiracy theories about one Beyonce Knowles to the life 0:01:52.069 --> 0:01:56.429 and times of eleven year old Northwest who we are 0:01:56.509 --> 0:02:01.149 terrified of, to how many diet cokes President Donald Trump 0:02:01.349 --> 0:02:04.829 actually drinks in a day. It's twelve and that's the 0:02:04.869 --> 0:02:08.469 most relatable thing about him. Makes me like him slightly more. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:08.709 --> 0:02:11.789 Before we jump into today's celebrity, we just wanted to 0:02:11.829 --> 0:02:14.189 ask first if there are any lazy girls in the audience, 0:02:14.269 --> 0:02:18.589 anyone who identified yes, yes, love, Because we thought we 0:02:18.589 --> 0:02:20.669 were worried coming in here. We were like, well, no 0:02:20.709 --> 0:02:23.389 one's gonna be on time because they're lazy, and they 0:02:23.429 --> 0:02:25.989 would have like stopped to get a donor. It's notoriously 0:02:26.029 --> 0:02:28.269 hard to get lazy girls to show up anywhere, even 0:02:28.269 --> 0:02:30.269 if it's free. When they had to register, I was like, 0:02:30.309 --> 0:02:33.029 oh yeah, there's a step that's a barrier. And a 0:02:33.069 --> 0:02:36.629 few messages being like no, registering's quite hard. I to 0:02:36.629 --> 0:02:38.909 wait for an email and I'm like, oh no, yeah, 0:02:38.989 --> 0:02:41.149 they don't know that. They don't know their password. No, 0:02:41.189 --> 0:02:43.869 not no password. We should take a minute to explain 0:02:43.909 --> 0:02:46.389 the origins of lazy girls, because when we meet a 0:02:46.429 --> 0:02:49.789 canceled listener in the street, they stop us and they say, 0:02:49.989 --> 0:02:51.629 I'm a lazy girl, and then they give us a 0:02:51.709 --> 0:02:54.949 lazy girl's story. Often they do. And I believe it 0:02:55.069 --> 0:02:59.549 all started with Mariah Carey. So she is a certified 0:02:59.629 --> 0:03:02.349 lazy girl. And it was New Year's Eve. She was 0:03:02.389 --> 0:03:06.669 performing in Times Square, literally doing a dance routine very badly, 0:03:07.469 --> 0:03:10.469 and the point she said lift me, but then she 0:03:10.469 --> 0:03:12.829 didn't lift. She just kind of went up on her 0:03:12.869 --> 0:03:15.149 tippy toes and was like, nah, I can't be fucked. Yeah, 0:03:15.189 --> 0:03:18.909 And halfway through the performance she said, and I quote, 0:03:19.309 --> 0:03:22.349 I wanted a holiday too, can't I just have one? 0:03:22.629 --> 0:03:26.029 And it's like, ma'am, you are currently performing and you 0:03:26.109 --> 0:03:28.349 are being paid a lot of money. But we heard 0:03:28.349 --> 0:03:31.509 that story and we went it's relatable. It's relatable, and 0:03:31.589 --> 0:03:34.269 she's not the only lazy girl. There's also Megan Markle 0:03:34.389 --> 0:03:37.749 who loves to start a project and not finish it. Again, 0:03:38.269 --> 0:03:41.709 highly relatable, like so likable because I get it. You're like, 0:03:41.909 --> 0:03:46.389 here's my podcast and then you're like, eh, quite hard 0:03:46.429 --> 0:03:49.109 to continue to do it. She's very I'm launching a 0:03:49.149 --> 0:03:52.629 podcast network and then very there's no second season. Yeah, 0:03:52.829 --> 0:03:55.749 very that. But the ultimate lazy girl we've discovered through 0:03:55.789 --> 0:04:00.629 our podcast is Brooklyn Beckham. Yes, so there was the 0:04:00.709 --> 0:04:04.989 time he released a photo book of really lazy photos. 0:04:05.429 --> 0:04:07.189 He pretended he wanted to be a chef for like 0:04:07.269 --> 0:04:09.029 half a day, and then I think there was a 0:04:09.069 --> 0:04:11.229 wedding but he didn't can tribute to it all and 0:04:11.269 --> 0:04:13.869 then the group text got leaked and it was just 0:04:13.949 --> 0:04:17.269 him being like where is it? What day? No idea? 0:04:17.309 --> 0:04:21.469 Also slightly relatable. Yeah, we are lazy girls, and in 0:04:21.509 --> 0:04:25.549 a very unlazy girl move, last year we both had 0:04:25.589 --> 0:04:30.469 babies and they are also lazy girls. Your little lazy girl, 0:04:30.629 --> 0:04:33.229 she's old nuts should be crawling, but she won't crawl. 0:04:33.469 --> 0:04:36.909 She will only she'll exclusively wriggle like a fish. She 0:04:36.909 --> 0:04:38.869 looks like a fish that's on a line that's just 0:04:38.909 --> 0:04:40.749 going like this, and she gets from A to B. 0:04:40.909 --> 0:04:43.069 But she knows she doesn't have to crawl. Haters will 0:04:43.109 --> 0:04:45.509 say she should see the baby physio, and I say, 0:04:45.749 --> 0:04:49.309 I'm too lazy. Can your baby walk? No, she cannot 0:04:49.309 --> 0:04:52.029 walk because she has learned that you can get everything 0:04:52.069 --> 0:04:54.509 you need from sitting in the same spot and just 0:04:54.629 --> 0:04:58.829 yelling yeah, lazy girl hack. Well. I have brought a 0:04:58.909 --> 0:05:01.869 lazy girl's story from one of our listeners that I 0:05:01.869 --> 0:05:04.069 thought i'd read out to you. So we have lazy 0:05:04.069 --> 0:05:06.629 girls submit their stories to us, and we usually start 0:05:06.629 --> 0:05:09.189 the show with one of them. So this is from Christina. 0:05:09.589 --> 0:05:13.469 I have a story about a fellow lazy girlfriend. Recently, 0:05:13.549 --> 0:05:16.429 we were talking about her new glasses and how it 0:05:16.509 --> 0:05:20.549 was actually her first time having glasses, as she usually 0:05:20.629 --> 0:05:24.629 wears contact lenses. I was initially very impressed because contact 0:05:24.749 --> 0:05:27.389 lenses are quite a lot to manage, but then she 0:05:27.549 --> 0:05:31.189 told me that sometimes when she was tired, she would 0:05:31.229 --> 0:05:34.629 just put in one contact lens and decide that would 0:05:34.709 --> 0:05:38.589 have to be good enough for the day. That's genius. 0:05:38.709 --> 0:05:41.429 That's the smartest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, that makes 0:05:41.469 --> 0:05:45.029 me think, why do we put on two shoes and 0:05:45.069 --> 0:05:49.149 not one? And hop? Yeah, oh my gosh, that's so true. 0:05:49.429 --> 0:05:52.429 It also makes me think that if lazy girls ruled 0:05:52.429 --> 0:05:56.709 the world, Wow, they'd solve some problems because it's creative 0:05:56.749 --> 0:06:00.589 problem solving. It works smarter, not harder. The problem is 0:06:01.149 --> 0:06:03.029 a lazy girl wouldn't put a hand up. Nah, a 0:06:03.109 --> 0:06:04.989 lazy girl's like I could, but I don't want to. 0:06:05.909 --> 0:06:08.909 I'd rather not. But look, we should get stuck into 0:06:08.909 --> 0:06:13.349 today's show. Hello, and welcome to Cancel The Lazy Girl's 0:06:13.389 --> 0:06:17.989 Guide to Bizarre Celebrity cancelations. On today's episode, we are 0:06:18.029 --> 0:06:23.949 talking about Zendaya, and I can guess what you're thinking. 0:06:24.349 --> 0:06:27.709 You can't cancel zendeya and we know that will become evident. 0:06:28.469 --> 0:06:33.069 But Zendaya Marie Stormer Coleman. I saw a TikTok where 0:06:33.229 --> 0:06:35.829 the challenge was what's her last name? And so if 0:06:35.869 --> 0:06:38.629 anyone ever asked you if you get that at trivia Coleman, 0:06:38.709 --> 0:06:41.469 you wouldn't guess it. She's an American actress and singer. 0:06:41.909 --> 0:06:45.589 She's won two Primetime Emmy Awards and a Golden Globe 0:06:45.869 --> 0:06:48.629 and in twenty twenty two, Time named her one of 0:06:48.669 --> 0:06:51.869 the one hundred most influential people in the world. This 0:06:52.069 --> 0:06:55.469 is very we were trying to appeal to gen z Oh, 0:06:55.709 --> 0:07:02.469 it's so shameless. We're like university young Zendea. There's no 0:07:02.629 --> 0:07:04.789 way she could have had the name Zendeya and not 0:07:04.869 --> 0:07:09.349 being famous. No, that name says, it's like being named prince. 0:07:09.509 --> 0:07:11.829 I don't think that is his real name. Yeah, but 0:07:11.869 --> 0:07:14.469 you're not gonna be famous, if you're clear, Steven. Absolutely, 0:07:14.509 --> 0:07:19.909 you're not gonna be like the Greatest Showman's starring Claire. Yeah. No, 0:07:20.069 --> 0:07:22.749 it was always gonna be Zendea. She's the youngest of 0:07:22.829 --> 0:07:25.949 six kids, and she began her career as a backup 0:07:26.069 --> 0:07:30.829 dancer and child model, which makes sense given that she 0:07:30.949 --> 0:07:34.949 looked like this. She's so beautiful. She's so beautiful, she's 0:07:35.029 --> 0:07:37.509 we don't we don't want to objectify. I don't want 0:07:37.549 --> 0:07:41.269 to objectify children. She's got a beautiful face, she does. 0:07:41.669 --> 0:07:45.829 And sometimes we get sad that we were never discovered 0:07:46.149 --> 0:07:49.349 as children, Like it haunts us, like I'm like, why 0:07:49.469 --> 0:07:51.549 was I never walking down the street And someone was 0:07:51.589 --> 0:07:54.909 like we talk about on the podcast because it's in 0:07:54.949 --> 0:07:58.949 every origin story, even with like Brad Pitt, he was 0:07:59.109 --> 0:08:01.549 I swear on a bus to Hollywood and he just 0:08:01.629 --> 0:08:05.029 fell into like a blockbuster like his faith. Someone stopped 0:08:05.109 --> 0:08:07.149 him and went, you need to be the most famous 0:08:07.149 --> 0:08:08.829 man in the world, and he was like, I know 0:08:09.469 --> 0:08:12.309 that's why coming here. Yeah, I swear people just like 0:08:12.349 --> 0:08:15.509 take a step inside Hollywood and they're like, here is 0:08:15.509 --> 0:08:18.229 a movie, here is a starring role. And that never 0:08:18.229 --> 0:08:20.549 happened to us in west Ryde. Nobody ever looked at 0:08:20.629 --> 0:08:24.029 us and went, yeah, there's a stage, we'll put you 0:08:24.069 --> 0:08:29.269 on it. We really had to fight, but I think 0:08:29.669 --> 0:08:33.509 that maybe that's because when we were children, Yeah, we 0:08:33.549 --> 0:08:38.469 looked like this. So I know that one topic of 0:08:38.469 --> 0:08:42.989 today's episode will be euphoria and drug use. Yeah. I 0:08:43.029 --> 0:08:45.309 look at those images and I'm like, I think we 0:08:45.349 --> 0:08:50.429 could have been cast actually yeah, just like wrong end 0:08:50.429 --> 0:08:55.469 of the tracks. Yes, And I also then remembered that, like, 0:08:55.549 --> 0:08:58.949 so that was one disadvantage. Yeah, but then our personalities 0:08:58.949 --> 0:09:02.829 were like this and like the gen Z's talk about 0:09:02.909 --> 0:09:05.629 riz Yeah, and we're talking about it on a podcast 0:09:05.669 --> 0:09:08.429 once with one of my co hosts on Mummy Are 0:09:08.469 --> 0:09:10.549 Out Loud and she just went, you don't have riz. 0:09:11.229 --> 0:09:13.509 I went, no, I don't do I I never had it. 0:09:13.549 --> 0:09:18.229 Not a lot of charisma, not a lot of energy, energy, personality. Again, 0:09:18.669 --> 0:09:21.869 laziness doesn't make for a triple threat. He doesn't a 0:09:21.869 --> 0:09:24.469 triple threat. It doesn't. So I think you can see 0:09:24.509 --> 0:09:28.509 why we were never on the Disney Channel. Okay any who. 0:09:29.069 --> 0:09:33.589 Zendaya made her television debut at fourteen as Rocky Blue 0:09:33.669 --> 0:09:36.669 in the Disney Channel sitcom Shake It Up, and then 0:09:36.709 --> 0:09:40.469 she start as Ksey Cooper in Ksey Undercover. Never Heard 0:09:40.469 --> 0:09:42.869 of It. She went on to make her feature film 0:09:42.909 --> 0:09:47.149 debut in Spider Man Homecoming as MJ opposite Tom Holland, 0:09:47.429 --> 0:09:49.829 and the sequels Far From Home and No Way Home. 0:09:50.549 --> 0:09:54.589 One of mine and Jesse's enduring fights is whether there 0:09:54.629 --> 0:09:58.309 have been enough Spider Man's And I say no. Every 0:09:58.309 --> 0:10:00.229 time there's a new Spider Man, it blows my mind. 0:10:00.349 --> 0:10:02.949 I love them too many. When you told me Andrew 0:10:02.949 --> 0:10:06.549 Garfield had been enough Spider Man, I was like, when, yeah, 0:10:06.589 --> 0:10:09.109 like there every man in Hollywood has been a spider 0:10:09.349 --> 0:10:11.629 they have. But I think when I look at that image, 0:10:11.829 --> 0:10:14.629 I think, you know, people talk about millennials and gen 0:10:14.749 --> 0:10:17.909 z and when were you born and how you differentiate. 0:10:18.509 --> 0:10:21.229 The true way to differentiate between a millennial and a 0:10:21.229 --> 0:10:24.309 gen Z is to ask were you Disney or were 0:10:24.349 --> 0:10:28.389 you Nickelodeon? Because as a millennial, we were all Nickelodeon. 0:10:29.069 --> 0:10:31.429 And I made the error of marrying a gen Z. 0:10:32.309 --> 0:10:35.869 Nick and Cody, what's that? No, Zach and Cody. You 0:10:35.869 --> 0:10:39.029 don't even know what it is? Zach and Cody, Cody. 0:10:39.149 --> 0:10:42.109 That's so raven. There were all these duos that I've 0:10:42.149 --> 0:10:43.909 never heard of. I've never heard of any of them 0:10:44.189 --> 0:10:46.509 that shake it up. You just talked about Hannah Montana, 0:10:46.829 --> 0:10:49.429 never watched it, and then I bring up in Passing 0:10:49.669 --> 0:10:52.549 Amanda Bynes and he's like, who's that? And it's like 0:10:53.029 --> 0:10:57.349 the person who informed my child and whose life I 0:10:57.389 --> 0:11:01.589 am very sad about now actually. But Zendeia is perhaps 0:11:01.669 --> 0:11:05.069 best known for her role as Rue Bennett in Euphoria, 0:11:05.429 --> 0:11:08.909 which he's played since twenty nineteen. She's also starred in 0:11:08.949 --> 0:11:12.629 the films The Greatest show Man, Challenges, June and June 0:11:12.669 --> 0:11:16.509 Part Two. She has a music career as well. She's 0:11:16.589 --> 0:11:20.189 released singles like Swag It Out, Watch Me and Replay 0:11:20.269 --> 0:11:23.829 which We'll get to and her collaboration of Rewrite the 0:11:23.829 --> 0:11:27.429 stars with zac Efron from the Greatest Showman went multi 0:11:27.469 --> 0:11:32.069 platinum globally. She's also written and performed several songs for Euphoria. 0:11:32.549 --> 0:11:36.349 Jesse My structure for today is as follows, the time 0:11:36.389 --> 0:11:40.989 I interviewed her, Euphoria, glorifying drug use, her feud with 0:11:41.069 --> 0:11:45.709 Sam Levinson, that awkward rap battle moment, breaking a relationship rule, 0:11:46.149 --> 0:11:49.989 and dancing in mals. Let's get stuck in. We learned 0:11:49.989 --> 0:11:52.749 about structure at university. We did. We actually learned how 0:11:52.789 --> 0:11:54.869 to structure like an essay, and then we use it 0:11:54.909 --> 0:11:59.069 for our podcast. Okay, so you might be asking, hold on, 0:11:59.309 --> 0:12:02.109 isn't this about the time you interviewed Zendaya. Why are 0:12:02.109 --> 0:12:06.069 there photos of zac Efron there? Well, I'm a terrible feminist, 0:12:06.149 --> 0:12:09.829 that's why, Jesse. Can you believe I've gone this far 0:12:09.869 --> 0:12:13.509 with out mentioning the time I interviewed Zendaya. You don't 0:12:13.509 --> 0:12:15.349 bring it up enough. Yeah, I bring it up in 0:12:15.389 --> 0:12:19.509 most episodes. Anyway, I interviewed her in a purely professional setting. 0:12:19.509 --> 0:12:22.469 I sat opposite her for something like eight minutes when 0:12:22.709 --> 0:12:25.949 her and zac Efron were promoting the Greatest show Man, 0:12:26.589 --> 0:12:30.029 and a few years ago I realized that somebody on 0:12:30.189 --> 0:12:33.829 YouTube had like stolen the video for their YouTube channel, 0:12:34.029 --> 0:12:37.469 and it's gone super viral because apparently they were flirting. 0:12:38.349 --> 0:12:40.589 That's awkward because the story you told when you came 0:12:40.629 --> 0:12:42.549 back from the interview was that you and Zach were 0:12:42.549 --> 0:12:45.669 flirting exactly. And then it's like, oh my god, look 0:12:45.709 --> 0:12:47.989 at the chemistry and know what none of the comments 0:12:47.989 --> 0:12:50.629 say anything about me. Well, they do say things about you, 0:12:50.709 --> 0:12:52.949 but it's not about the chemistry. No, you'll see what 0:12:52.989 --> 0:12:56.309 they say. But it has many millions of views. So 0:12:56.389 --> 0:12:58.709 let's start at the beginning. It was twenty seventeen. It 0:12:58.789 --> 0:13:01.709 was the day before my birthday, which is also the 0:13:01.789 --> 0:13:05.549 day before your birthday, and I was getting an early 0:13:05.589 --> 0:13:09.869 birthday present. Someone at Mamma Maya, our workplace, had made 0:13:09.909 --> 0:13:13.389 it terrible mistake. They had given me the opportunity to 0:13:13.469 --> 0:13:17.909 interview zac Efron and Zendeya in The Greatest Showman aka 0:13:17.989 --> 0:13:20.549 a flawless film that brings nothing but joy to the 0:13:20.589 --> 0:13:23.069 people who watch it. I really like The Greatest Showman, 0:13:23.269 --> 0:13:26.149 but this was an error because I am heinously obsessed 0:13:26.149 --> 0:13:30.589 with zac Efron. It ain't right. I think that movies 0:13:30.669 --> 0:13:34.309 such as Bad Neighbors and relatedly Bad neighbors too are 0:13:34.309 --> 0:13:39.309 works of art. I think his comic timing is vastly underestimated. 0:13:39.349 --> 0:13:42.189 I think he's a wonderful singer, dance art performer. And 0:13:42.349 --> 0:13:46.709 I believed that he would see me, recognition would dawn 0:13:46.749 --> 0:13:49.069 on his face, and he would realize we were meant 0:13:49.069 --> 0:13:51.309 for each other, and that that would be the beginning 0:13:51.349 --> 0:13:53.949 of the greatest love story of all time. I thought 0:13:53.989 --> 0:13:56.109 I would abandon my partner, whom I had been with 0:13:56.269 --> 0:13:57.629 for ten years at that point. Now I have a 0:13:57.669 --> 0:14:00.429 child with I was like, we're done. I'm meeting Zach. 0:14:01.349 --> 0:14:04.029 This was problematic because, as I mentioned, I was interviewing 0:14:04.189 --> 0:14:07.229 zac Efron and Zendeya, and it's like, you have Zendea 0:14:07.269 --> 0:14:09.909 sitting there, and meanwhile I'm like, when are we getting married? 0:14:09.949 --> 0:14:13.029 Z chop Top? But none of that matters. Very It 0:14:13.109 --> 0:14:17.869 is very the Wicked interview where the Australian interviewer only 0:14:17.949 --> 0:14:20.989 interviewed Ariana yeah, and was like, when's your album coming out? 0:14:21.989 --> 0:14:24.909 How about your fragrance line? And Cynthia was like, well 0:14:24.989 --> 0:14:29.229 literally Alphaba, yeah, yeah, very that I was that person, 0:14:30.029 --> 0:14:34.469 but the joke was on me because this happened. Okay, 0:14:34.749 --> 0:14:39.909 So while zac Efron and Zendaya looked like that. For 0:14:39.989 --> 0:14:43.949 some reason, I was the oiliest, sweatiest person who had 0:14:44.029 --> 0:14:47.469 ever been on camera. So no one had told you 0:14:47.749 --> 0:14:51.349 about powder? About powder? No, And when you go on 0:14:51.429 --> 0:14:55.829 television or in front of lights, you think you look glowy, yeah, 0:14:55.869 --> 0:14:58.869 and then the lights turn on and you are slick. 0:14:59.029 --> 0:15:04.709 You are wet, wet, and our skin not good under lights. No. 0:15:04.829 --> 0:15:06.949 When I've done television that come in, the ad breaks 0:15:07.469 --> 0:15:09.469 and they go to powder me, and I look at 0:15:09.469 --> 0:15:11.829 them and I go, are we all powdering? No? The 0:15:11.869 --> 0:15:15.949 others don't need pity. I need power because I'm always hot. 0:15:16.949 --> 0:15:20.589 But I walked out of that interview obviously star struck. 0:15:21.269 --> 0:15:24.869 And I can't describe how beautiful Zendea was in real life, 0:15:25.189 --> 0:15:28.229 Like it wasn't right. We can see that, yeah, No, 0:15:28.349 --> 0:15:30.869 she's she was more beautiful than that. So she's so 0:15:31.069 --> 0:15:34.429 well powdered. Yeah, and she just glows, as does Zach. 0:15:34.669 --> 0:15:36.429 But I remember I got back to the office and 0:15:36.469 --> 0:15:40.629 I refused to wash the hand that I had shaken 0:15:40.789 --> 0:15:43.109 zac Efron's hand with. I think I took a photo 0:15:43.149 --> 0:15:44.469 of it. I still have it in mind. This is 0:15:44.509 --> 0:15:47.349 pre COVID, isn't it. Yeah, so I was like, hmm, beautiful. 0:15:47.709 --> 0:15:49.989 But I came back to the office and everyone's like, oh, 0:15:50.029 --> 0:15:54.669 how was Zendea? And I was like, she was looking 0:15:54.709 --> 0:15:56.789 at her phone when I walked in the room, and 0:15:56.869 --> 0:15:59.789 I was really rude about her, like obviously not in 0:15:59.869 --> 0:16:03.269 any public capacity, just in a purely gossip capacity. I 0:16:03.389 --> 0:16:05.549 was like, she was on her phone. And then I 0:16:05.589 --> 0:16:09.149 interviewed her and like she was lovely, but did you 0:16:09.229 --> 0:16:12.109 need to be looking at her phone? And six years on, 0:16:12.589 --> 0:16:15.709 I have some feedback for myself. Firstly, Claire, you are 0:16:15.749 --> 0:16:19.629 literally always on your phone. You cannot be judging people 0:16:19.629 --> 0:16:22.349 who are on their phone. Secondly, she was twenty two 0:16:22.429 --> 0:16:25.989 years old. Zac Efron is like a decade older, so 0:16:26.029 --> 0:16:28.349 if he was a bit more media trained, that would 0:16:28.349 --> 0:16:31.829 be why. But the other thing is, and this is 0:16:31.909 --> 0:16:35.869 something we have found doing this podcast over how many 0:16:35.949 --> 0:16:37.989 years you wrecking three years? We've been doing four Yeah, yep. 0:16:38.429 --> 0:16:41.989 We are just so hard on women, aren't we. It's 0:16:42.109 --> 0:16:46.149 really fine. Interesting data point behind the scenes for canceled listeners. 0:16:46.229 --> 0:16:49.429 When we do an episode on a man, he gets 0:16:49.469 --> 0:16:54.509 about twenty percent less downloads because people prefer it if 0:16:54.549 --> 0:16:56.789 they feel like we're gonna have a go at a woman. 0:16:57.669 --> 0:16:59.589 They're like, oh, I want that. Yeah, that's how I 0:16:59.629 --> 0:17:02.309 want to spend my weekend. Yeah. And I was guilty 0:17:02.349 --> 0:17:06.709 of it. And she was lovely. She was perfectly lovely. 0:17:06.909 --> 0:17:09.509 But I was like, hmmm, I don't know about that, 0:17:09.669 --> 0:17:11.829 but I think I think I was just jealous because 0:17:11.909 --> 0:17:15.349 Zach was more interested in her than me in hindsight. 0:17:15.589 --> 0:17:18.149 I also want to say that I got my color 0:17:18.189 --> 0:17:21.709 season done recently, and I was told that without coloring, 0:17:21.749 --> 0:17:24.229 we are never to wear black because it makes us 0:17:24.309 --> 0:17:29.869 look sick and tired. And I think you're right. I 0:17:29.909 --> 0:17:33.189 think it does nothing for me. Oh god, it's just 0:17:33.229 --> 0:17:35.269 so tragic. But you know, some of the comments were 0:17:35.269 --> 0:17:38.749 about was it really hot that day? Stuff like that. 0:17:40.149 --> 0:17:44.909 So that was the time I interviewed Zendaya. Euphoria Glorifying 0:17:45.109 --> 0:17:48.949 drug Use Jesse. We've both seen every episode of Euphoria, 0:17:49.389 --> 0:17:52.749 but for those who haven't, Euphoria is an American teen 0:17:52.909 --> 0:17:58.349 drama TV series created and written by Sam Levinson for HBO. 0:17:58.869 --> 0:18:01.189 This will become relevant, we'll get back to Sam. But 0:18:01.309 --> 0:18:05.629 it stars Zendaya, Maude Apatow, Hunter Schaefer, Sidney Sweeney, and 0:18:05.709 --> 0:18:09.229 the Beautiful and Australian Jacob Alordie, who I think about 0:18:09.229 --> 0:18:14.029 a lot. I sound really predatory today. I didn't mean to, 0:18:14.589 --> 0:18:19.149 but Jacob a Laudian saltburn gome On anyway. Euphoria follows 0:18:19.349 --> 0:18:23.589 Rue Bennett Zendeia, a troubled teenage drug addict who struggles 0:18:23.629 --> 0:18:26.109 to get sober, and a broader cast of main characters 0:18:26.109 --> 0:18:29.029 who deal with relationships and family dynamics and so on. 0:18:29.829 --> 0:18:32.989 It's set and filmed in California, and it's received all 0:18:33.109 --> 0:18:36.829 this praise for its cinematography and performances. And it's the 0:18:36.949 --> 0:18:41.829 fourth most watched HBO series in history, behind Game of Thrones, 0:18:41.909 --> 0:18:44.829 The Last of Us and House of the Dragon. And 0:18:45.069 --> 0:18:48.149 I didn't know this, but it shares the same universe 0:18:48.589 --> 0:18:52.949 as Levinson's twenty twenty three series The Idol, which we'll 0:18:52.949 --> 0:18:57.269 get to. But Euphoria has been criticized for glorifying drug use, 0:18:57.629 --> 0:19:01.949 mostly because Zendeia suffers with addiction. But she's very beautiful 0:19:02.029 --> 0:19:05.509 and very cool and somewhat aspirational to a young audience. 0:19:05.549 --> 0:19:08.629 I don't think that's her fault. I think she's meant 0:19:08.669 --> 0:19:12.789 to look messy, disheveled, but I just always want to 0:19:12.789 --> 0:19:15.789 look like Zendeia in any context, I'm going to find 0:19:15.829 --> 0:19:20.069 her aspirational. Yeah, zendeya MESSI and dishevelled is us after 0:19:20.189 --> 0:19:23.509 like four days of Hairmaker? Yeah exactly. This is like 0:19:23.709 --> 0:19:26.709 one scene where I guess people say it sort of 0:19:26.989 --> 0:19:30.309 lightens the idea of somebody having drug issues. I just 0:19:30.629 --> 0:19:43.509 looked a little better with And she's often running into things, 0:19:43.709 --> 0:19:46.189 often going to host. There was a quote that I saw. 0:19:46.349 --> 0:19:50.469 It was the advocacy group Parents Television and Media Council 0:19:51.269 --> 0:19:57.029 called Euphoria dark, depraved, degenerate, and nihilistic. And I read 0:19:57.069 --> 0:19:59.429 that and I went, if I had to choose four 0:19:59.469 --> 0:20:07.389 adjectives to describe teenagers, those four adjectives would probably be dark, depraved, degenerate, nihilistic. Yeah. 0:20:07.429 --> 0:20:09.749 We always say we want more media about teens, and 0:20:09.829 --> 0:20:12.429 then if time we see it where like, well that's bleak, 0:20:13.069 --> 0:20:15.589 it's like they're no shit, things aren't good yeah to 0:20:15.669 --> 0:20:18.109 the teens. And then you watch Seventh Heaven and we 0:20:18.229 --> 0:20:22.789 market because it's silly. But in an article in Time 0:20:23.349 --> 0:20:26.749 titled What Euphoria gets right and wrong about teen drug 0:20:26.829 --> 0:20:29.949 use and addiction, Tara Law argues that while the show 0:20:30.109 --> 0:20:32.469 does a good job of tackling the fact that drug 0:20:32.549 --> 0:20:35.589 use is not rare among adolescents and the chaos that 0:20:35.589 --> 0:20:38.709 addiction can cause. It doesn't do well at showing the 0:20:38.789 --> 0:20:42.149 range of options people have to help them recover from 0:20:42.229 --> 0:20:47.469 substance use disorder. In the show's defense, that wouldn't make 0:20:47.549 --> 0:20:53.629 for amazing TV. But apparently the best options for recovery 0:20:53.709 --> 0:20:57.589 aren't explored, and one of them that is cited in 0:20:57.589 --> 0:21:01.629 this article is that there's a medication for opioid use 0:21:01.669 --> 0:21:08.389 disorder called buprenephrine, which reduces cravings and withdrawal symptoms. And 0:21:08.709 --> 0:21:14.069 that is so important. But I just don't know if 0:21:14.149 --> 0:21:17.669 seeing zend Aa try a medication to help with her 0:21:17.709 --> 0:21:21.829 opioid use is just that great for television. This criticism 0:21:21.909 --> 0:21:25.029 of fiction, where it's like, why doesn't she just try 0:21:25.029 --> 0:21:30.229 a successful treatment overlooks the point of fiction. Yeah, it's 0:21:30.309 --> 0:21:33.829 like saying with Harry Potter, well, why don't Harry and 0:21:33.909 --> 0:21:36.749 Voldemort just get along? Yeah, why don't they just get 0:21:36.789 --> 0:21:39.029 on the phone and sort out their differences? Because then 0:21:39.069 --> 0:21:42.789 it's there's not seven books, there's three terrible chapters that 0:21:42.909 --> 0:21:46.309 don't make any sense. Yeah, we need the tension. Why 0:21:46.349 --> 0:21:50.429 don't Romeo and Juliet just text and say I'm not 0:21:50.589 --> 0:21:54.269 a yah yah, FYI still alive, FYI still alive. It 0:21:54.269 --> 0:21:58.109 would all be sorted terrible fiction. What we need is 0:21:58.149 --> 0:22:02.109 our characters to make very bad decisions, because that's also 0:22:02.229 --> 0:22:05.589 you know where else bad decisions happen life. Yeah, we 0:22:05.669 --> 0:22:07.749 need Rue not to get better, I know, because we 0:22:07.789 --> 0:22:09.949 need a second season because it makes the production come 0:22:10.149 --> 0:22:14.429 any millions of dollars. I know, and we do often 0:22:14.469 --> 0:22:16.989 have to say on the show, like Euphoria is fictional. 0:22:17.269 --> 0:22:20.389 It isn't real. It is just a story. It is 0:22:20.429 --> 0:22:23.149 made up. You can't really get mad at it. Because 0:22:23.149 --> 0:22:27.789 it's also helpful because when I few years ago, I 0:22:27.829 --> 0:22:30.069 broke my leg while in the Northern Territory and I 0:22:30.109 --> 0:22:32.749 went eight hours and there wasn't any pain relief, and 0:22:32.789 --> 0:22:35.869 then the Royal Flying Doctor Service came and they landed 0:22:36.149 --> 0:22:39.909 and they explained what drugs they had available, and Claire 0:22:40.709 --> 0:22:43.109 was able to translate. Yeah, because you were like ventanyl. 0:22:43.909 --> 0:22:46.709 I know about that from Euphoria. I said, oh my god, 0:22:46.749 --> 0:22:50.869 when Zendia takes ventanal, she just passes out, like it 0:22:51.029 --> 0:22:53.629 is just great. I'm the one you want. Up the dose, 0:22:53.749 --> 0:22:57.149 up the dose. Yeah, yeah, you need to calm down. Yeah, 0:22:57.229 --> 0:23:00.749 I knew all about it, but I think in conclusion, 0:23:01.389 --> 0:23:04.629 we don't think Zendaea is obliged to solve the opioid 0:23:04.629 --> 0:23:08.069 epidemic in the United States. I like Euphoria. That's a vibe. 0:23:08.509 --> 0:23:12.789 I think so too. Jesse her feud with Sam Levinson. 0:23:13.509 --> 0:23:16.989 I promised we would come back to him. I mentioned 0:23:16.989 --> 0:23:20.789 before that another Sam Levinson show, The Idol, shares the 0:23:20.829 --> 0:23:24.789 same universe as Euphoria, and I didn't know this. And 0:23:25.229 --> 0:23:27.989 I think no one would know this because no one's 0:23:28.069 --> 0:23:31.309 watched The Idol in full, because it is darable and 0:23:31.389 --> 0:23:35.749