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Speaker 1: I am Jesse Stevens. I'm Claire Stevens. Hello, and we

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Speaker 1: cannot emphasize enough that this is not a neuroscience lecture

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Speaker 1: year claims that the tension between Zendaya and Levinson has

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Speaker 1: actually lengthened the delay in going forward with Euphoria's third season.

415
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Speaker 1: And they used to be really close and now they're not.

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Speaker 1: And basically, Zendea got very frustrated when he went all

417
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Speaker 1: in on the idol, and she went to HBO executives

418
00:24:34,229 --> 00:24:36,269
Speaker 1: and was like, guys, we've got a good show. We

419
00:24:36,349 --> 00:24:41,709
Speaker 1: won a third season, and he was preoccupied. The idol

420
00:24:41,829 --> 00:24:46,509
Speaker 1: was created by Levinson and Abel tess Fay aka The Weekend,

421
00:24:47,389 --> 00:24:51,229
Speaker 1: and it focuses on a female pop star, Jocelyn played

422
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Speaker 1: by Lily Rose Depth, who's Johnny Depp's daughter, and she's

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Speaker 1: in a relationship with Ted Dross played by The Weekend,

424
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Speaker 1: who is a sleazy nightclub owner, self help guru, and

425
00:25:01,829 --> 00:25:06,309
Speaker 1: cult leader and is inner word so gross. It was

426
00:25:06,349 --> 00:25:10,429
Speaker 1: originally being directed by a woman, then Sam Levinson took

427
00:25:10,429 --> 00:25:13,749
Speaker 1: over and took it in a different direction, and basically

428
00:25:13,829 --> 00:25:17,149
Speaker 1: it was gonna be this exploration of women being exploited

429
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:20,229
Speaker 1: in the music industry, and then Sam Levinson was like,

430
00:25:20,589 --> 00:25:23,949
Speaker 1: m but why don't we make it a degrading love

431
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:26,629
Speaker 1: story from the man's perspective? And everyone was like, because

432
00:25:26,669 --> 00:25:29,509
Speaker 1: that's terrible, but that's what they made. It strikes me

433
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Speaker 1: as you know when you're working on a group project

434
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Speaker 1: and you're on a zoom call and there's like fifteen

435
00:25:34,429 --> 00:25:37,229
Speaker 1: of you and you go, wow, imagine if you were

436
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:40,269
Speaker 1: in charge, like the worst person in the room, Yeah,

437
00:25:40,309 --> 00:25:43,549
Speaker 1: was the boss. I think that happened. It actually had

438
00:25:43,589 --> 00:25:47,949
Speaker 1: to be completely reshot so they filmed it. They looked

439
00:25:47,949 --> 00:25:50,749
Speaker 1: at early versions of it, and Levinson in the Weekend

440
00:25:50,909 --> 00:25:54,109
Speaker 1: hated it. And Jess and I we have written and

441
00:25:54,469 --> 00:25:57,749
Speaker 1: helped produce an Australian TV show and I cannot stress

442
00:25:58,229 --> 00:26:00,589
Speaker 1: how much of a drama it would be to reshoot.

443
00:26:00,789 --> 00:26:03,869
Speaker 1: It's just bizarre. So I can't imagine what the original

444
00:26:03,949 --> 00:26:07,509
Speaker 1: looked like given what we saw. My theory is that

445
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:09,829
Speaker 1: the original was good and they blow it all up,

446
00:26:10,229 --> 00:26:12,269
Speaker 1: undid everything that was good about it, and made it

447
00:26:12,269 --> 00:26:15,589
Speaker 1: into what has been described as the worst television show

448
00:26:15,629 --> 00:26:18,869
Speaker 1: in HBO history. Yes, yes, so here are some of

449
00:26:18,909 --> 00:26:23,469
Speaker 1: the reactions. It was absolutely panned canceled after one season.

450
00:26:23,629 --> 00:26:28,309
Speaker 1: People were so upset. And my favorite hobby it's to

451
00:26:28,349 --> 00:26:31,189
Speaker 1: go on IMDb and read reviews of bad shows. I

452
00:26:31,229 --> 00:26:33,389
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time there. And this is what

453
00:26:33,429 --> 00:26:36,469
Speaker 1: people have written about the Idol, which it's got four

454
00:26:36,469 --> 00:26:39,069
Speaker 1: point four out of ten. Actually better than I thought.

455
00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:43,949
Speaker 1: No substance. This gives me high school play vibes with

456
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:47,829
Speaker 1: lots of nudity, sex and shock value with absolutely no content.

457
00:26:48,229 --> 00:26:51,949
Speaker 1: This is really bad. The plot is incredibly not interesting.

458
00:26:52,469 --> 00:26:55,229
Speaker 1: I was tired after ten minutes, but thought I would

459
00:26:55,229 --> 00:26:58,069
Speaker 1: give it the benefit of the doubt. At twenty minutes,

460
00:26:58,109 --> 00:27:00,549
Speaker 1: something inside of me was breaking. I like how this

461
00:27:00,589 --> 00:27:03,589
Speaker 1: feels like a journal change. The dialogue is like an

462
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:07,069
Speaker 1: AI idea of what human dialogue should be. This is

463
00:27:07,149 --> 00:27:10,829
Speaker 1: really embarrassing for everyone involved. I like this one worse

464
00:27:10,909 --> 00:27:13,869
Speaker 1: than you've heard. Just to be clear what we'd heard.

465
00:27:14,069 --> 00:27:17,469
Speaker 1: This is a review from The Guardian featuring a performance

466
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Speaker 1: from the WICCAND that should be tried at the Hague,

467
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:24,989
Speaker 1: which is the International Criminal Court. Ye worse than that,

468
00:27:25,589 --> 00:27:28,789
Speaker 1: they say. When James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights

469
00:27:28,869 --> 00:27:32,229
Speaker 1: to the US Constitution, he would have left out freedom

470
00:27:32,229 --> 00:27:38,069
Speaker 1: of speech and expression. If he had seen this cringe worby.

471
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:40,829
Speaker 1: It is impossible to believe that this show is from

472
00:27:40,869 --> 00:27:45,109
Speaker 1: the same network as Succession and White Lotus. Someone definitely

473
00:27:45,149 --> 00:27:50,749
Speaker 1: needs to get fired. Ridiculous plotline, horrific acting. Levinson and

474
00:27:50,869 --> 00:27:54,389
Speaker 1: Abel need to be on a watch list. The other

475
00:27:54,429 --> 00:27:57,389
Speaker 1: thing is on IMDb. All these people were like, I

476
00:27:58,029 --> 00:28:01,149
Speaker 1: created a profile just to leave this review. There were

477
00:28:01,269 --> 00:28:03,069
Speaker 1: so many who were like, why did I have to

478
00:28:03,109 --> 00:28:05,269
Speaker 1: create a profile just to leave this I'm like, you

479
00:28:05,389 --> 00:28:08,149
Speaker 1: did that. I'm just reading them. You could also just

480
00:28:08,189 --> 00:28:10,749
Speaker 1: read them. I wondered if because to bring it back

481
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:14,829
Speaker 1: to Zendeia because she is a triple threat. I worry

482
00:28:14,989 --> 00:28:18,789
Speaker 1: that she has inspired the wickened over here to believe

483
00:28:18,829 --> 00:28:21,629
Speaker 1: he might be a triple threat. Before going into this,

484
00:28:22,109 --> 00:28:24,029
Speaker 1: we knew he could sing. He's one of the most

485
00:28:24,069 --> 00:28:27,029
Speaker 1: successful singers in the world. He went, maybe I can act,

486
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:30,029
Speaker 1: which is the same error that Mariah Carey made, Yeah,

487
00:28:30,029 --> 00:28:31,629
Speaker 1: and glitter And then they go and give it a

488
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:33,229
Speaker 1: go and they go, you know what, don't worry I

489
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:36,709
Speaker 1: can't yeah, And that's exactly what happened here, And so

490
00:28:36,869 --> 00:28:40,909
Speaker 1: Zendeya and Sam Levinson had this huge falling out because

491
00:28:41,389 --> 00:28:44,269
Speaker 1: now Euphoria Season three isn't even meant to start filming

492
00:28:44,429 --> 00:28:47,789
Speaker 1: until twenty twenty five. And meanwhile, we were all assaulted

493
00:28:47,789 --> 00:28:52,269
Speaker 1: by the idol. It was awful Jesse, that awkward rap

494
00:28:52,349 --> 00:28:57,509
Speaker 1: battle moment. Oh, this is a gift that kind of

495
00:28:57,549 --> 00:29:05,389
Speaker 1: shows people's response. Guys, remember Matt Rife. He went viral

496
00:29:05,469 --> 00:29:08,949
Speaker 1: last year for things such as saying none non ironically

497
00:29:09,109 --> 00:29:12,229
Speaker 1: that being too hot was hurting his comedy career, and

498
00:29:12,509 --> 00:29:15,949
Speaker 1: releasing a Netflix special where he made a domestic violence

499
00:29:16,069 --> 00:29:19,029
Speaker 1: joke about a woman with a black eye that genuinely

500
00:29:19,109 --> 00:29:21,749
Speaker 1: wasn't funny, and also a bunch of jokes about women

501
00:29:21,869 --> 00:29:26,229
Speaker 1: being obsessed with astrology that also wasn't funny. Anyway, it

502
00:29:26,309 --> 00:29:28,549
Speaker 1: turns out that in twenty fifteen he was on a

503
00:29:28,589 --> 00:29:32,349
Speaker 1: show called Wild and Out, one of those weird American

504
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:35,989
Speaker 1: shows that has rules that don't make any sense. Basically,

505
00:29:36,109 --> 00:29:39,109
Speaker 1: one person from each team has to hold water in

506
00:29:39,149 --> 00:29:41,869
Speaker 1: their mouths while members of another team try to make

507
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:45,429
Speaker 1: them laugh, and a clip of Matt Rife trying to

508
00:29:45,469 --> 00:29:49,709
Speaker 1: make Zendeia laugh resurfaced last year. And I need to

509
00:29:49,749 --> 00:29:52,869
Speaker 1: emphasize this point before we play the video. It's meant

510
00:29:52,949 --> 00:29:56,429
Speaker 1: to be comedy it's meant to be teams of comedians

511
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:59,989
Speaker 1: making a celebrity guest laugh, so they spit out the water.

512
00:30:00,389 --> 00:30:06,709
Speaker 1: Here's a video. Let's make a lifestyle that spit that water,

513
00:30:06,749 --> 00:30:17,829
Speaker 1: ass like and get your number, Please your hand, don't

514
00:30:17,829 --> 00:30:23,189
Speaker 1: be touching on it like that. I'm really glad that

515
00:30:23,229 --> 00:30:27,389
Speaker 1: you gave context of that was comedy. He reminds me

516
00:30:27,469 --> 00:30:30,149
Speaker 1: of like a five year old that says he didn't

517
00:30:30,149 --> 00:30:32,149
Speaker 1: need all the Easter eggs when he has chocolate on

518
00:30:32,189 --> 00:30:34,469
Speaker 1: his nose. Yeah, yeah, we just saw you touch her

519
00:30:34,509 --> 00:30:36,469
Speaker 1: face and he's like, I didn't touch it. Why are

520
00:30:36,509 --> 00:30:39,549
Speaker 1: you talking like that? Talking like that? At the beginning,

521
00:30:39,589 --> 00:30:41,189
Speaker 1: it's cut off a little bit, but at the beginning

522
00:30:41,229 --> 00:30:44,469
Speaker 1: he says, look, you're mixed. I want to be black.

523
00:30:44,669 --> 00:30:48,189
Speaker 1: Let's make a lifestyle movie. There's nothing funny about that,

524
00:30:48,469 --> 00:30:51,669
Speaker 1: and it's offensive and weird and it doesn't even make sense,

525
00:30:52,189 --> 00:30:56,629
Speaker 1: but mostly it's not funny. So poor Zendaya. It's unclear

526
00:30:56,669 --> 00:30:58,669
Speaker 1: why he had to say anything about her race, and

527
00:30:58,709 --> 00:31:01,309
Speaker 1: it's gross that he's hitting on her. But I think

528
00:31:01,349 --> 00:31:03,709
Speaker 1: the most painful thing is that she was subjected to

529
00:31:03,749 --> 00:31:07,229
Speaker 1: that attempt at comedy. There are just so many subpar

530
00:31:07,429 --> 00:31:11,149
Speaker 1: men around. Zendeya that she always looks exasperate, but she

531
00:31:11,829 --> 00:31:14,709
Speaker 1: knows how much of a fail that man. Yeah, it's

532
00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:17,869
Speaker 1: like we talk on canceled about the people you cancel

533
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:20,389
Speaker 1: along the way, because often you'll be talk about someone

534
00:31:20,429 --> 00:31:22,629
Speaker 1: and there's just someone who did something weird at one point.

535
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:25,669
Speaker 1: Matt Raife, you cancel him along the way, Sam Levinson,

536
00:31:26,309 --> 00:31:29,909
Speaker 1: the weakened. You cancel them all along the way, breaking

537
00:31:30,109 --> 00:31:35,709
Speaker 1: a relationship rule. Tom Holland aka Spider Man and Zendaya

538
00:31:35,869 --> 00:31:39,549
Speaker 1: have been dating since twenty twenty one. Side note, I

539
00:31:39,589 --> 00:31:42,629
Speaker 1: think some DAYA dated Jacob Alordie. They did. Yeah, they

540
00:31:42,709 --> 00:31:45,909
Speaker 1: did our very own, our very own. Yes, but every

541
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:47,629
Speaker 1: now but when he got in a fight, could he

542
00:31:48,269 --> 00:31:50,589
Speaker 1: did he get in the fight with Kyle Sandal like

543
00:31:50,669 --> 00:31:51,989
Speaker 1: and I made that up? He got to know he

544
00:31:52,029 --> 00:31:55,269
Speaker 1: did their producer who was like give us some bath water?

545
00:31:55,549 --> 00:31:59,469
Speaker 1: Yeah remember, Yeah, it wasn't even relevant because oh no,

546
00:31:59,509 --> 00:32:01,949
Speaker 1: it was because he was in the bar. Yeah. Australia

547
00:32:01,989 --> 00:32:04,869
Speaker 1: is disgusting anyway. We always upset people and they never

548
00:32:04,869 --> 00:32:08,509
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, even when they belong here. It's so bad.

549
00:32:08,869 --> 00:32:11,509
Speaker 1: But every now and then the Internet loses it because

550
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:15,709
Speaker 1: they remember that Zendaya and her boyfriend have a height difference,

551
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:21,549
Speaker 1: and they're like, whoa. So some genuine headlines include, yes,

552
00:32:21,869 --> 00:32:25,909
Speaker 1: she's tall. Every time Tom Holland and Zendeya addressed their

553
00:32:25,949 --> 00:32:30,589
Speaker 1: height difference, that's not content anyway. He's not the kind

554
00:32:30,629 --> 00:32:33,669
Speaker 1: of insecure guy to care. The obvious height difference between

555
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:36,629
Speaker 1: Tom Holland and Zendeya is one of the reasons that

556
00:32:36,709 --> 00:32:39,869
Speaker 1: makes them the eat couple of Hollywood. The grammar is

557
00:32:39,989 --> 00:32:43,789
Speaker 1: just there's too many words. Isn't that significant? It's just

558
00:32:43,829 --> 00:32:45,829
Speaker 1: not that significant. You know what we don't get. We

559
00:32:45,869 --> 00:32:51,429
Speaker 1: don't get headlines about like Simone Biles and her basketballer boyfriend,

560
00:32:51,469 --> 00:32:54,189
Speaker 1: who I think is about seven foot, she's about four foot.

561
00:32:54,469 --> 00:32:56,709
Speaker 1: We've got a human in between both of them. Yeah,

562
00:32:56,749 --> 00:32:59,389
Speaker 1: oh my god. And still we're not panicking with these two.

563
00:32:59,429 --> 00:33:02,749
Speaker 1: It's like, let's panic, how do you kiss? Yeah? How

564
00:33:02,749 --> 00:33:06,269
Speaker 1: does it work? Logistic? Ever looked each other in the eye? Yeah?

565
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:10,589
Speaker 1: Another headline Zendea and Tom Holland break stereotypes how their

566
00:33:10,629 --> 00:33:15,029
Speaker 1: height difference strengthens their love story. Who are we need?

567
00:33:15,069 --> 00:33:18,709
Speaker 1: We do need more representation in all seriousness for shot men,

568
00:33:18,909 --> 00:33:22,269
Speaker 1: short men, shot kings, shot kings, with shot kings exactly right.

569
00:33:22,309 --> 00:33:24,269
Speaker 1: This is really important to short men to believe that

570
00:33:24,349 --> 00:33:27,029
Speaker 1: they too can be with tall, beautiful women. Yes. On

571
00:33:27,069 --> 00:33:29,949
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one press circuit for Spider Man No

572
00:33:30,069 --> 00:33:33,629
Speaker 1: Way Home, Zendeia and Tom Holland were repeatedly asked to

573
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:37,109
Speaker 1: address their height difference. In one interview, what do they

574
00:33:37,149 --> 00:33:39,829
Speaker 1: expect them to say? I don't know. It's just not

575
00:33:39,949 --> 00:33:43,789
Speaker 1: a lot there. So in one interview, Tom Holland was

576
00:33:43,829 --> 00:33:48,149
Speaker 1: asked in Far From Home, when MJ and Peter kiss, Zendea,

577
00:33:48,269 --> 00:33:52,349
Speaker 1: you're taller than Tom. It became this thing. Tom interjected,

578
00:33:52,749 --> 00:33:55,789
Speaker 1: not that much taller, he said, let's put this out there,

579
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:58,389
Speaker 1: maybe like an inch or two at best. It's not

580
00:33:58,629 --> 00:34:01,229
Speaker 1: like people say, like, how did you guys kiss? It

581
00:34:01,309 --> 00:34:04,669
Speaker 1: must have been so difficult. And then the interviewer butted in,

582
00:34:04,829 --> 00:34:07,589
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's so misogynistic when people talk about

583
00:34:07,629 --> 00:34:10,549
Speaker 1: height differences. It's so screwed up. It's so probably you

584
00:34:10,629 --> 00:34:13,029
Speaker 1: brought it up, mate, you brought it off. That is

585
00:34:13,069 --> 00:34:16,749
Speaker 1: a classic interviewer slash that there's this internet thing where

586
00:34:16,789 --> 00:34:18,429
Speaker 1: you put it out there and you're like, I think

587
00:34:18,469 --> 00:34:22,189
Speaker 1: it's so offensive how everyone's talking about their height difference,

588
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:25,629
Speaker 1: and it's like you brought it up. Yeah, it's so weird,

589
00:34:25,709 --> 00:34:28,469
Speaker 1: and then people get really passionate about it. So here's

590
00:34:28,469 --> 00:34:30,949
Speaker 1: a comment on Reddit. There's a whole reddit thread about

591
00:34:30,989 --> 00:34:33,309
Speaker 1: like the height difference, where I guess when it comes up,

592
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:35,749
Speaker 1: people just go there and have a discussion about it.

593
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:38,149
Speaker 1: Remember in one Spider Man movie, the only one that

594
00:34:38,269 --> 00:34:42,149
Speaker 1: ever should have been made, where they kiss upside down. Yeah,

595
00:34:42,189 --> 00:34:45,389
Speaker 1: so there's an upside down and there's a Toby Maguire upright, yeah,

596
00:34:45,469 --> 00:34:48,069
Speaker 1: Kirsten Dunts. I feel like there are more questions about

597
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:50,709
Speaker 1: how they kiss yeah than how the mechanics of that

598
00:34:50,829 --> 00:34:54,749
Speaker 1: kiss upside down kiss yeah. One comment on this reddit

599
00:34:54,749 --> 00:34:57,269
Speaker 1: thread said, I'm so tired of the Hollands andd a

600
00:34:57,349 --> 00:35:00,429
Speaker 1: a height difference meme. Every one of those pictures she's

601
00:35:00,469 --> 00:35:02,469
Speaker 1: wearing high heels, and even then it's like a three

602
00:35:02,549 --> 00:35:05,629
Speaker 1: inch difference. You'll a fawning over a five eight dude

603
00:35:05,669 --> 00:35:08,229
Speaker 1: dating a woman who wears shoes like this is some

604
00:35:08,309 --> 00:35:11,789
Speaker 1: colossus victory for short dude. Yeah, Tom is confident and

605
00:35:11,869 --> 00:35:14,669
Speaker 1: Chilling doesn't seem to care, but they are literally nearly

606
00:35:14,749 --> 00:35:19,549
Speaker 1: the same mind. Someone else said being short comes with

607
00:35:19,629 --> 00:35:24,309
Speaker 1: many struggles and disadvantages. No, this man's five to one.

608
00:35:24,389 --> 00:35:27,429
Speaker 1: Some tall people just don't understand because it's not their reality.

609
00:35:27,789 --> 00:35:30,349
Speaker 1: But being tall isn't the single key to success. I

610
00:35:30,349 --> 00:35:33,229
Speaker 1: feel like I wrote that someone else wrote I'm a

611
00:35:33,229 --> 00:35:35,709
Speaker 1: Marvel fan. So with No Way Home being the next

612
00:35:35,749 --> 00:35:38,909
Speaker 1: big Marvel movie release and the positive reaction to Holland

613
00:35:38,949 --> 00:35:41,389
Speaker 1: being shorter and him addressing it, it's just nice to

614
00:35:41,429 --> 00:35:44,549
Speaker 1: see the positive reactions. This isn't like a cultural thing

615
00:35:44,589 --> 00:35:47,189
Speaker 1: to talk about. You're on the internet too much. You

616
00:35:47,309 --> 00:35:50,469
Speaker 1: need to get off. He is a slightly below average

617
00:35:50,509 --> 00:35:54,389
Speaker 1: white man. He's fine, He's doing fine. Everyone's fine. He's

618
00:35:54,429 --> 00:35:57,989
Speaker 1: five eight, Sandaea's five to ten. Everyone's okay. Five eight

619
00:35:58,109 --> 00:36:01,589
Speaker 1: might be completely normal, yeah, totally average. But this is

620
00:36:01,629 --> 00:36:04,149
Speaker 1: what happens when people spend too much time on the internet.

621
00:36:04,389 --> 00:36:06,509
Speaker 1: We make things out of nothing. I think he might

622
00:36:06,549 --> 00:36:09,029
Speaker 1: have put six to one on his dating app. Oh yeah,

623
00:36:09,069 --> 00:36:12,149
Speaker 1: and it caused confusion. Yeah, I think so too. Jesse

624
00:36:12,669 --> 00:36:17,349
Speaker 1: dancing in mauls Now. When I was prepping for this episode,

625
00:36:17,909 --> 00:36:20,829
Speaker 1: I mentioned to a gen Z producer in our office

626
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:24,029
Speaker 1: that we were canceling Zendea, and she laughed and said,

627
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:27,909
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yes, when she danced in Maules and

628
00:36:27,989 --> 00:36:31,189
Speaker 1: I said what And she said, you know when she

629
00:36:31,309 --> 00:36:35,149
Speaker 1: danced in shopping centers with Bellathorne. And I'm like, what

630
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:38,189
Speaker 1: is Abella Thorne? I do not I am not aware

631
00:36:38,189 --> 00:36:40,509
Speaker 1: of any of this, But don't you aren't here? Know

632
00:36:40,549 --> 00:36:46,149
Speaker 1: who Bellathorne is? Look at the collagen. Yeah, they're so young,

633
00:36:46,749 --> 00:36:50,509
Speaker 1: They're so beautiful thorn, Oh the skin. There was a

634
00:36:50,589 --> 00:36:54,909
Speaker 1: Disney show called Shake It Up, starring Zendaya and Bellathorne,

635
00:36:55,229 --> 00:36:57,709
Speaker 1: about the adventures of two girls as they start as

636
00:36:57,749 --> 00:37:00,789
Speaker 1: background dancers on a local show, shake It Up Chicago.

637
00:37:01,469 --> 00:37:04,029
Speaker 1: It needs to be said that someone at Disney runs

638
00:37:04,029 --> 00:37:07,429
Speaker 1: a farm that A creates boys who look exactly the

639
00:37:07,469 --> 00:37:11,109
Speaker 1: same with the same haircut, B creates girls who are

640
00:37:11,149 --> 00:37:15,949
Speaker 1: wildly talented, and C exploits these children for the purposes

641
00:37:15,949 --> 00:37:19,549
Speaker 1: of capitalism. Because in addition to the Shake It Up show,

642
00:37:19,949 --> 00:37:23,309
Speaker 1: there was obviously a soundtrack called shake It Up, Break

643
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:26,069
Speaker 1: It Down. This hell is though my jen Z husband

644
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:29,989
Speaker 1: probably owns that. Yeah, I think so too. This was

645
00:37:30,309 --> 00:37:35,629
Speaker 1: Zendaea and Bellathorne dancing in a shopping center to their music.

646
00:37:36,029 --> 00:37:48,029
Speaker 1: This is of the life. Firstly, the hustle is that

647
00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:52,149
Speaker 1: a Bellathorne's The Bellathorne. Yes, the best people among us

648
00:37:52,189 --> 00:37:56,029
Speaker 1: have performed at shopping centers. I'm talking Delta Gudram, Yeah,

649
00:37:56,069 --> 00:38:01,829
Speaker 1: I'm talking Guy Sebastian. Yes, human nature would slap at Yeah.

650
00:38:02,029 --> 00:38:03,429
Speaker 1: I feel as though it is a sign of the

651
00:38:03,509 --> 00:38:08,229
Speaker 1: hustle of work, ethic of like growing your career. There's

652
00:38:08,269 --> 00:38:10,709
Speaker 1: a comment on this that says, bring back low staked,

653
00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:13,989
Speaker 1: small venue tours for artist development, and I agree they

654
00:38:14,029 --> 00:38:17,349
Speaker 1: should be like performing like here, well, bring back going

655
00:38:17,389 --> 00:38:20,149
Speaker 1: to Westfield on the weekend to go you're going to

656
00:38:20,269 --> 00:38:24,189
Speaker 1: just cuts for a haircut? Yeah, and boom, Zenday is hustling. Yeah,

657
00:38:24,269 --> 00:38:26,589
Speaker 1: like you just have someone I remember going to Westfield

658
00:38:26,669 --> 00:38:31,829
Speaker 1: one day, you know who was performing, Nicky Webster. Oh,

659
00:38:32,549 --> 00:38:34,749
Speaker 1: just next to the food court, just standing there with

660
00:38:34,789 --> 00:38:40,029
Speaker 1: my McDonald's Like, cheers Nicky. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. Well

661
00:38:40,229 --> 00:38:42,669
Speaker 1: I also think like people kind of make fun of

662
00:38:42,749 --> 00:38:47,349
Speaker 1: Zendaya about this dancing because it's quite wild and intense,

663
00:38:47,669 --> 00:38:50,549
Speaker 1: But we did far more embarrassing things as teenagers, and

664
00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:53,189
Speaker 1: thank god no one gave us a stage. Yeah. Well

665
00:38:53,189 --> 00:38:55,549
Speaker 1: we did our men in Blackie eight dance, yeah, which

666
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:58,749
Speaker 1: we still remember. Yeah, all the moves and it was

667
00:38:58,829 --> 00:39:00,789
Speaker 1: nowhere near as good as that. The other thing we

668
00:39:00,829 --> 00:39:03,429
Speaker 1: could bring back in shopping centers is like a low

669
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:08,469
Speaker 1: grade model search. Oh my god, like fourteen year old

670
00:39:08,509 --> 00:39:11,429
Speaker 1: girls just line I'm just line up and going am

671
00:39:11,469 --> 00:39:14,589
Speaker 1: I hot? And being told yes or no? Yeah? Back

672
00:39:14,669 --> 00:39:16,509
Speaker 1: you and I could get a frozen coke and watch

673
00:39:16,509 --> 00:39:19,309
Speaker 1: from the sidewinks and be like all on the baby

674
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:22,309
Speaker 1: competitions where it's like, line up the babies, who's the

675
00:39:22,309 --> 00:39:24,669
Speaker 1: most beautiful? You can't do that anymore, you can't. It's

676
00:39:24,669 --> 00:39:27,829
Speaker 1: frowned upon. Shopping malls were really like would you enter

677
00:39:27,869 --> 00:39:33,549
Speaker 1: your baby? Ah? Oh, pre verbal yes, because she won't

678
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:37,789
Speaker 1: know when they say honey, move along, she won't know. Yeah, right,

679
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:41,109
Speaker 1: your baby? What do you reckon? She doesn't smile on cue.

680
00:39:41,149 --> 00:39:44,429
Speaker 1: She's serious. Yeah, she's a serious girl. There was also

681
00:39:44,469 --> 00:39:48,909
Speaker 1: a comment about how the business casual outfits are just terrible.

682
00:39:49,149 --> 00:39:51,269
Speaker 1: That was really a moment, wasn't it. I love a

683
00:39:51,269 --> 00:39:54,829
Speaker 1: white jean, Oh, a white jean jeans and a nice top,

684
00:39:55,029 --> 00:39:58,989
Speaker 1: some boots. They're just they're really hustling, and honestly, I'm

685
00:39:59,029 --> 00:40:01,829
Speaker 1: all for it. I love the branding when they did this,

686
00:40:01,989 --> 00:40:03,589
Speaker 1: like they would have been paid for this, I reckon

687
00:40:03,669 --> 00:40:05,909
Speaker 1: and it's like we're all dancing for free on TikTok,

688
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:11,549
Speaker 1: so who's really laughing? Not us. Then Zendeya had her

689
00:40:11,629 --> 00:40:14,549
Speaker 1: own music career. She had a self titled album with

690
00:40:14,629 --> 00:40:18,069
Speaker 1: an actual banger called Replay that we have had stuck

691
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:20,309
Speaker 1: in our heads for days. We were singing at backstage

692
00:40:20,589 --> 00:40:23,909
Speaker 1: and this was her again performing in a shopping center.

693
00:40:35,789 --> 00:40:38,509
Speaker 1: I say, she's excellent, and she is trying to create

694
00:40:38,709 --> 00:40:41,229
Speaker 1: art in a place devoid of art, which is a

695
00:40:41,229 --> 00:40:45,509
Speaker 1: shopping center. It's very choice of arm. It is. It

696
00:40:45,669 --> 00:40:48,109
Speaker 1: is because I say that Disney stars love to dance

697
00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:51,149
Speaker 1: with their knees, yes, and that's what whatever they trained,

698
00:40:51,229 --> 00:40:54,149
Speaker 1: What I would do to get trained by Disney. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

699
00:40:54,189 --> 00:40:57,229
Speaker 1: because that's where she went to Disney, the full School

700
00:40:57,229 --> 00:41:01,789
Speaker 1: of Arts. Yep. Yeah. Sabrina Carpenter was Ariana Grande Disney

701
00:41:01,869 --> 00:41:03,869
Speaker 1: or Nickelodeon. I don't understand she was one of them,

702
00:41:03,869 --> 00:41:06,789
Speaker 1: but she can dance what I would have done the talent.

703
00:41:07,389 --> 00:41:09,229
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about that as well, is that no

704
00:41:09,269 --> 00:41:13,829
Speaker 1: one realizes they're witnessing greatness. So like the people above

705
00:41:13,949 --> 00:41:17,309
Speaker 1: who are looking over, they think that they're just like, oh,

706
00:41:17,389 --> 00:41:19,789
Speaker 1: mom like, can we get donuts? Like, I'm in the

707
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:23,229
Speaker 1: shopping center, and it's like, that is Zendaya. You are

708
00:41:23,229 --> 00:41:27,389
Speaker 1: watching her dance to a banger for free, for free,

709
00:41:27,629 --> 00:41:29,949
Speaker 1: and the guy in the blue shirt is all of us.

710
00:41:30,269 --> 00:41:32,189
Speaker 1: We're standing there, we're not moving because we know we

711
00:41:32,189 --> 00:41:34,589
Speaker 1: don't have the talent to join in, but we're really

712
00:41:34,669 --> 00:41:37,229
Speaker 1: appreciating it. You know what I just recalled from a

713
00:41:37,229 --> 00:41:40,149
Speaker 1: shopping center I reckon ten fifteen years ago. I'm minding

714
00:41:40,189 --> 00:41:43,749
Speaker 1: my own business, you know, going into typo or something

715
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:49,189
Speaker 1: flash mob that So in flash mobs, yeah, you're just

716
00:41:49,189 --> 00:41:53,389
Speaker 1: standing there and your body is coursing with cringe and

717
00:41:53,429 --> 00:41:56,669
Speaker 1: you can't stop watching because you're like, are you embarrassed?

718
00:41:56,869 --> 00:41:59,909
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed. And then I forgot about this. Then the

719
00:41:59,989 --> 00:42:03,269
Speaker 1: random passes by join because they're like, I can be

720
00:42:03,309 --> 00:42:04,749
Speaker 1: part of it, and it's like you don't know the

721
00:42:04,829 --> 00:42:08,989
Speaker 1: routine even if they were just a spontaneous dance. Yeah,

722
00:42:09,069 --> 00:42:12,429
Speaker 1: this is an activation for a brand. Someone has paid

723
00:42:12,429 --> 00:42:14,029
Speaker 1: a lot of money for this. And there was like

724
00:42:14,389 --> 00:42:16,669
Speaker 1: a fifty five year old woman like, oh we just

725
00:42:17,189 --> 00:42:22,469
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, stop stop it, stop it now, Jesse,

726
00:42:22,829 --> 00:42:26,269
Speaker 1: it's time for charges and sentences. I would like to

727
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:29,789
Speaker 1: go first, go for it. The biggest charge here is

728
00:42:29,789 --> 00:42:33,189
Speaker 1: obviously the idol. Right, that's the worst piece of television

729
00:42:33,189 --> 00:42:36,269
Speaker 1: ever made. Needs to be tried at the International Criminal Court.

730
00:42:36,989 --> 00:42:40,429
Speaker 1: We know that the Weekend has to face justice, and

731
00:42:40,549 --> 00:42:43,029
Speaker 1: I'd say that Sam should go too. But that is

732
00:42:43,069 --> 00:42:47,429
Speaker 1: not Zendeia's crime. What Zendaya's crime is is but when

733
00:42:47,909 --> 00:42:50,109
Speaker 1: you're a triple threat, you can sing, you can dance,

734
00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:55,429
Speaker 1: you can act. You unfortunately inspire others to try. And

735
00:42:55,469 --> 00:42:57,669
Speaker 1: that's what we saw with The Weekend. Yeah, he went

736
00:42:57,909 --> 00:43:01,029
Speaker 1: maybe I could and the honey you can't know. And

737
00:43:01,069 --> 00:43:03,109
Speaker 1: that's what Maria carry has done. We've seen a lot

738
00:43:03,149 --> 00:43:05,509
Speaker 1: of people do it, and I think as well. Her

739
00:43:05,549 --> 00:43:10,269
Speaker 1: other crime is hogging. Yeah, hogging hogging skills. It is

740
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:13,149
Speaker 1: because in doing all of those things, she's also beautiful.

741
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:16,149
Speaker 1: She's also a vegetarian, so she is better than you

742
00:43:16,469 --> 00:43:20,509
Speaker 1: and me, and she's a hog in that. I would

743
00:43:20,549 --> 00:43:23,669
Speaker 1: like to have just one of those skills half a skill. Yeah,

744
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:26,429
Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to sing. Oh, but I

745
00:43:26,469 --> 00:43:30,389
Speaker 1: can't do the knee dance. I want to practice the

746
00:43:30,469 --> 00:43:32,789
Speaker 1: knee dance. I would also like to dance in a

747
00:43:32,789 --> 00:43:36,229
Speaker 1: Westfield for no reason. No, that will be down today

748
00:43:36,429 --> 00:43:41,189
Speaker 1: next event. My sentence is being a triple threat probably

749
00:43:41,229 --> 00:43:43,109
Speaker 1: means that Sam Levinson is going to want to work

750
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:46,669
Speaker 1: with her again, right, And she's great in the Greatest Showman.

751
00:43:46,749 --> 00:43:49,229
Speaker 1: I think that was some of her best work. But

752
00:43:49,269 --> 00:43:53,789
Speaker 1: I think if you can sing, act, and dance, then

753
00:43:53,909 --> 00:43:56,189
Speaker 1: it is your obligation to be doing all three at

754
00:43:56,189 --> 00:43:58,629
Speaker 1: the same time. Always you can't have those skills and

755
00:43:58,669 --> 00:44:01,189
Speaker 1: I only be drawing on one, kind of like Ariana

756
00:44:01,189 --> 00:44:04,429
Speaker 1: Grande after seeing Wicked, I'm like, hmm, you need to

757
00:44:04,549 --> 00:44:07,509
Speaker 1: bring musical theater to everything, Like I need to see

758
00:44:07,549 --> 00:44:11,109
Speaker 1: these skills in motion. Always they bring me. It's like

759
00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:13,389
Speaker 1: when you see an olympian who's also like a good

760
00:44:13,389 --> 00:44:16,389
Speaker 1: public speaker and you're like, could you swim while speaking?

761
00:44:16,389 --> 00:44:19,789
Speaker 1: Like such a waste? Or a gymnast who's just like

762
00:44:19,789 --> 00:44:23,069
Speaker 1: walking down the street and you're like, backfliph do a backflip? Yeah.

763
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:25,829
Speaker 1: We always say that if you can backflip, yeah, why

764
00:44:25,869 --> 00:44:29,349
Speaker 1: aren't you? And that's how I feel about more Tricks.

765
00:44:29,429 --> 00:44:33,589
Speaker 1: Zendaya is more tricks because June challenges. I don't think

766
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:35,669
Speaker 1: she sang in those. I don't even think she danced

767
00:44:35,669 --> 00:44:38,589
Speaker 1: that much. I haven't seen them, No, but I just

768
00:44:38,629 --> 00:44:42,949
Speaker 1: didn't challenges wasn't great. I watched ten minutes turned off,

769
00:44:43,229 --> 00:44:45,189
Speaker 1: so you don't know if she danced. No, I don't

770
00:44:45,229 --> 00:44:48,029
Speaker 1: think so. It was about tennis, so I can't think. So. Yeah, No,

771
00:44:48,149 --> 00:44:51,709
Speaker 1: I need to see more of those skills exhibited in

772
00:44:51,789 --> 00:44:54,109
Speaker 1: all of her work. That would be my sentence for Okay,

773
00:44:54,269 --> 00:44:58,589
Speaker 1: more singing, dancing, Yeah, in like Euphoria for example. My charge,

774
00:44:58,669 --> 00:45:00,589
Speaker 1: I need to go all the way back to the

775
00:45:00,629 --> 00:45:04,309
Speaker 1: beginning to where I met her, because I have a

776
00:45:04,389 --> 00:45:07,989
Speaker 1: bone to pick. She ruined my chances with Zach. I

777
00:45:08,029 --> 00:45:11,789
Speaker 1: don't think. I feel like she was sitting there being glowy,

778
00:45:12,189 --> 00:45:15,629
Speaker 1: not oily, and she had her triple threats and she

779
00:45:15,629 --> 00:45:18,789
Speaker 1: had a beautiful voice. And then the greatest love story

780
00:45:18,789 --> 00:45:21,149
Speaker 1: of our time never happened between me and Zak Efrock.

781
00:45:21,909 --> 00:45:25,189
Speaker 1: So that's fine. But my sentence is I'd like a

782
00:45:25,229 --> 00:45:28,949
Speaker 1: second chance with Zach. Well, here's the thing. Would I

783
00:45:29,069 --> 00:45:32,389
Speaker 1: like an introduction to Zak? Yeah, But if that's not possible,

784
00:45:32,749 --> 00:45:35,909
Speaker 1: there are two other options. One, she can introduce me

785
00:45:35,989 --> 00:45:40,229
Speaker 1: to her friend Jacob Alordie. Two, she can also introduce

786
00:45:40,269 --> 00:45:43,589
Speaker 1: me to her friend Timothy shallameh either one. She's really

787
00:45:43,629 --> 00:45:45,189
Speaker 1: good friends with both of them. How do you have

788
00:45:45,189 --> 00:45:48,669
Speaker 1: friends who are so hot? I don't know. And she's

789
00:45:48,709 --> 00:45:51,549
Speaker 1: taken because she's with Tom for a long time. Yeah,

790
00:45:51,629 --> 00:45:53,469
Speaker 1: so it's like, I don't know, what do you plan

791
00:45:53,509 --> 00:45:57,149
Speaker 1: on doing with your husband and baby? I don't know.

792
00:45:57,269 --> 00:46:01,549
Speaker 1: They can come. Okay, Timothy could be a fly in

793
00:46:01,629 --> 00:46:03,949
Speaker 1: and fly out kind of guy. Kind of a fair

794
00:46:04,189 --> 00:46:05,629
Speaker 1: because I don't think he'd be here all the time.

795
00:46:05,669 --> 00:46:11,109
Speaker 1: He's been working, Yeah, doing Wonka two Wonka. We like

796
00:46:11,229 --> 00:46:15,989
Speaker 1: talking about Wonka? Yeah, yeah, no, but I do need

797
00:46:16,069 --> 00:46:21,509
Speaker 1: an introduction to any of those three men. Such a

798
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:25,629
Speaker 1: predator today. You're a predator, you're anti feminist, and you're

799
00:46:25,669 --> 00:46:29,589
Speaker 1: quite misogynistic. You've said this about your relationship with hot MANE. Yeah.

800
00:46:29,749 --> 00:46:33,509
Speaker 1: I'm dis school stang, dis school stang. That is actually

801
00:46:33,509 --> 00:46:36,109
Speaker 1: all we have time for today. Thank you so much

802
00:46:36,149 --> 00:46:42,069
Speaker 1: for joining us. We've had so much fun today. And

803
00:46:42,189 --> 00:46:45,989
Speaker 1: thank you too to our incredible producer Kimberly Bradish for

804
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:49,509
Speaker 1: making this all happen, and to the Alumni Festival. Thank

805
00:46:49,549 --> 00:46:49,789
Speaker 1: you