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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mea podcast. Mumma Mea acknowledges

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Speaker 1: is recorded on Hi. I'm Claire Murphy. This is Muma

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Speaker 1: MIA's daily news podcast for Quickie. A lot has been

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Speaker 1: happening in Australia this.

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Speaker 2: Week after careful consideration and consultation, as you as raising

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Speaker 2: the national terrorism threat level from possible to probable.

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Speaker 3: It's a fifteen percent increase to make sure early educators,

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Speaker 3: these workers, largely of course women get the proper wages frankly,

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Speaker 1: Today we sit down with the Prime Minister, Anthony Alberanezi

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Speaker 1: to find out why we run childcare in Australia like

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Speaker 1: the private school system and why workers aren't paid accordingly,

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Speaker 1: while we also check into the increase in terror threat

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Speaker 1: levels and what that actually means for us. But before

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Speaker 1: we do that, here's the letters from the Cookie Newsroom. Friday,

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Speaker 1: August nine, Donald Trump says now that come Harris is

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Speaker 1: her party's official nominee for the presidential race, he wants

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Speaker 1: At a press conference held at his home in Palm

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Speaker 1: a debate on September four on Fox, September ten on NBC,

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Speaker 1: whether he would be okay with there being an audience

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Speaker 1: and didn't say whether or not his team had communicated

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Speaker 1: this to Harris's team. Meanwhile, Harris and her new running

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Speaker 1: mate Tim Walls have headlined rallies in battleground states Minnesota

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Speaker 1: listen to the Democratic nominee Paul showing her pulling even

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Speaker 1: further ahead of Trump. Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds has denied

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Speaker 1: trying to help Bruce Lehman's lawyers during the criminal trial

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Speaker 1: where he was facing allegations he raped Britney Higgins in

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Speaker 1: Parliament House as she continues to give evidence of the

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Speaker 1: defamation trial against Higgins in Wa. Senator Reynolds denies the

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Speaker 1: twenty one messages she sent Lehman's lawyer were a bid

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Speaker 1: to discredit Miss Hihiggins. Reynold's explaining she wanted to follow

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Speaker 1: the trial because it related to allegations also leveled against her,

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Speaker 1: requesting transcripts of Higgins's evidence, which Lehman's lawyer told her

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Speaker 1: wasn't appropriate. Reynolds said she wanted the transcripts for her

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Speaker 1: court also heard about how the senator sent photos to

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Speaker 1: her to be imitating Kate Middleton. Reynolds said she probably

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have sent them, and it was catty, but she

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Speaker 1: was upset that miss Higgins had taken her jacket from

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Speaker 1: being assaulted, Senator Reynolds said that yes, she had, but

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Speaker 1: no problem, but she never got her back. More details

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Speaker 1: have been revealed about the terror plot that has led

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Speaker 1: to Taylor Swift canceling her shows in Vienna. A nineteen

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Speaker 1: made a full confession while in custody, saying he swore

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Speaker 1: machetes and bomb making equipment, including chemicals and technical devices

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Speaker 1: The teen also had two accomplices, aged just seventeen and fifteen.

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Speaker 1: people he had big plans. British anti racism campaigners have

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Speaker 1: in the world today. Next more pay for early childhood

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Speaker 1: no secret owning a childcare center is a very profitable business.

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Speaker 1: What is also no secret is that working in a

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Speaker 1: nine thousand, one hundred and twenty two dollars, but from December,

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Speaker 1: early childhood educators will be getting ten percent more, with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fifteen percent increase, So it will go

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Speaker 3: So ten percent this December, five percent the following December

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Speaker 3: will cost three point six billion dollars over the two

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Speaker 1: You did kind of touch on something there that people

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Speaker 1: our workers are being paid well, now we can earn

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Speaker 3: They can be In order to be eligible for this,

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Speaker 3: so the centers have to sign up to that. We're

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Speaker 3: confident that that will occur. We have worked this through

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Speaker 3: We know that it is the feminized industries like age

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Speaker 3: and this is a part of that. But it's also

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Speaker 3: very good for families and it's good of course for

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Speaker 3: These are people who don't just mind children, they care

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Speaker 1: Just to have an easy I think a question a

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a good point, and if we're starting again

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Speaker 3: universal provision of childcare. There are various options that we

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Speaker 1: Could you see us everyone scrambling the egg. Could you

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Speaker 3: It's pretty hard to just and scramble the egg completely

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Speaker 3: because you've had such significant investment in capital in the

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Speaker 3: going forward. But what you can do is to make

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Speaker 3: sure that reforms going forward look at ways of boosting equity,

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Speaker 3: but families as well This is why we're increasing pay

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Speaker 3: that when women retire, because of the nature of the

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Speaker 3: we need to look at the full range of measures

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Speaker 3: making sure this is a part of our gender equity policy.

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Speaker 1: In other news this week, we also heard from the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Mike Burgess also mentioned that the situation in

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Speaker 3: Well, Australia isn't a participant in this conflict, That's the truth.

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Speaker 1: Does it surprise you, though, that ASIO have factored that

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Speaker 3: If you have misinformation out there, then it's not surprising

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Prime Minister. To explain a little more about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, weill edit a new age. Then Islamic State had

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Speaker 1: We did hear from the boss of Asia, Mike Burgess,

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Speaker 1: What is happening with young men that they seem to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really an alarming development, isn't it. Mike Bogess

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Speaker 4: But they don't act in the name of a particular group.

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Speaker 4: that brings its own risk. Of course, most protests have

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Speaker 1: Does that actually mean for us on an individual level

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Speaker 4: But the message now is that don't just hope for

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Speaker 1: and this is a real flip in tone from what

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Speaker 1: we've just been discussing, So excuse the quick shift, but

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Speaker 1: I just found out that Australia is having its most

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Speaker 1: successful Olympic campaign of all time. I just quietly hope

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Speaker 1: that there's a World Leader's WhatsApp group somewhere where you're

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Speaker 1: all just bragging about how your country's going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've certainly now that we're doing pretty well, I've

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Speaker 3: got to say that there's a couple of big conferences

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Speaker 3: coming up the G twenty. If you look at our

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Speaker 3: population compared with the United States, let alone China or India,

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Speaker 3: we're doing exceptionally well. The Australian Olympians have broad us joy,

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Speaker 3: excitement and it is all going to be very positive

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Speaker 3: in the lead up to Brisbane two thy and thirty

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Speaker 3: two where we get to host the Games for the

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Speaker 3: third time. And I do think there is a social

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Speaker 3: aspect to this as well, which is that we need

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Speaker 3: things in our life experience that bind us together as

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Speaker 3: a society, and you know, footy can do that, netball,

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Speaker 3: various sports can do that. For our teams here, everyone's

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Speaker 3: back in the one team, which is our Australian Olympians,

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Speaker 3: and pretty soon as well we'll get to cheer on

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Speaker 3: the magnificent Paralympians as well.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can borrow a couple of gold medals of

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Speaker 1: our athletes at the G twenty and just use them

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Speaker 1: just a little bit of decoration now that we're super

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Speaker 1: bragg Yeah, just you know.

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Speaker 3: Wav them around. You know, we've got so many.

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Speaker 1: We've got so many.

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Speaker 3: Double the athletes gave us a couple of spares to

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Speaker 3: wave around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah,